1840s calculator! Palmer's Pocket Scale Review / HowTo

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  • Palmer's Pocket Scale, printed in 1844.
    This is episode 63 of my video series about old calculating devices.
    Google book link for Palmer's Pocket Scale: books.google.c...
    Articles by Feazel are:
    Bobby Feazel, "Palmer's Computing Scale", Journal of the Oughtred Society Vol 3 No 1, p 9-17, 1994.
    Bobby Feazel, "Palmer's Computing Scale - Revisited", Journal of the Oughtred Society Vol 4 No 1, p 5-8, 1995.
    My straight slide rule is a K&E Beginner's Slide Rule N4058W
    My circular slide rule is a "Calculator" (also called "Controler") model 75W.
    End song inspired by "Hotter than a Molotov" by The Coup.
    Chris Staecker webarea: faculty.fairfi...
    #sliderule #frustrum

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  • @GreggDurishan
    @GreggDurishan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    "it's the bubbles" is a supremely succinct answer to the question that immediate pops into one's head when hearing there's wine gallons and beer gallons.

  • @unspeakablevorn
    @unspeakablevorn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    “It is a profoundly erroneous truism that we should cultivate the habit of thinking of what we are doing. The precise opposite is the case. Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking about them.”
    - Alfred North Whitehead

    • @johnsrabe
      @johnsrabe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Said the guy named for a zit? Or vice versa? No thanks!

  • @Laundry_Hamper
    @Laundry_Hamper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    The answer to "what's the oldest physical object you own" is inevitably: a rock

    • @johnsrabe
      @johnsrabe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I collect new rocks and am letting them age before I use them.

    • @GreggDurishan
      @GreggDurishan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      i watched something a while ago, i forget what, that made interesting arguments about early jewish concepts of creation meaning something more along the lines of "being arranged into some purposeful order". so kinda in the same way that chris probably meant "oldest man-made object", god making existence, it argued, was more of a bringing order to chaos kind of thing.

  • @warped_rider
    @warped_rider 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Damn, math teachers were lying about how we won't have a calculator in our pocket all the way back in the 1800s.

  • @omegasalmonfish
    @omegasalmonfish 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Nothing beats a cool Aaron Palmer on a hot summer day

  • @circle9nerd
    @circle9nerd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think American children growing up in the 1840's learned a whole different kind of division. Cool book and awesome video! Original!

  • @ninam6826
    @ninam6826 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Legitimately the funniest and most informative videos on TH-cam 🙏

  • @someonespadre
    @someonespadre ปีที่แล้ว +5

    An acre is the amount of farmland a single plowman could plow in a day. 1 furlong (10 chains or 660 feet) by 1 chain (66 feet). A furlong is the distance a team of oxen could plow before resting the team then they would be turned to go the other way. Another fun fact, if you know the size of a tract of land in chains x chains then (chains times chains)/10 equals acres.

  • @antoniocorona2433
    @antoniocorona2433 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    5:50 "Man if I has a nickle for every time..." I really like this little joke for a clearly unrelatable math problem.

  • @nashvillain171
    @nashvillain171 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Frustrum makes an appearance AGAIN

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The algorithm loves it

    • @rogerrabbit80
      @rogerrabbit80 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ChrisStaecker All hail the Supreme Algorithm!

    • @Laundry_Hamper
      @Laundry_Hamper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Would it blow your mind to find out there's no second R in that word? I read, wrote and said it wrong for eons. Even Palmer missed that one!

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Laundry_Hamper You're blowing my mind! I'm not sure I can give up the second R...

  • @Vallee152
    @Vallee152 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My head is surely spinning from all those examples

  • @akda5id
    @akda5id 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    7:39 Aww, you missed a great chance to hold up one of your pocket mechanical calculators here (perhaps the Arithma Addiator).

  • @AndyLundell
    @AndyLundell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    1:30 "foremost of all the calculating machines and ready reckoners"
    I had never heard the phrase "ready reckoners" before. What a great phrase. Looking it up, it seems it mostly means a lookup table? I knew lookup tables were a big deal in the olden days. Didn't realize they had a fun name.

    • @gordoncouger9648
      @gordoncouger9648 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I still use ready reckoners in lookup tables for trig functions and other floating-point calculations when writing fast code on small slow CPUs. The tables are scaled to match the magnitude needed for the process. Often I only need a very narrow range of angles with 2 decimal places of precision when calculating the state 16 switches. Most operations on a 68HC11 take 1 to 4 clock cycles. A division takes 47. It all but dies from my point of view when the floating point library is loaded. Ready reckoners as lookup tables solve many of those problems.

  • @pierQRzt180
    @pierQRzt180 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One thing that is important in doing calculations (every now and then) is to get a feeling of the numbers.
    A device can be defective or incorrect. If chatGPT replies "35 x 76 is 37563" one may not bat an eye and consider it correct if actually one is not aware that at most the product should have 4 digits.

  • @assert_justice3783
    @assert_justice3783 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Frustrum is such a fun word.

    • @DeGuerre
      @DeGuerre 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The word is "frustum". Surely I'm not the only sad nerd who read that and got immediately annoyed.
      Anyone? Please?

  • @gordoncouger9648
    @gordoncouger9648 ปีที่แล้ว

    A circular slide rule outperforms many computer calculators in finding the percentage of each nutrient each component of the ration contributes to the whole. One never runs off the end of a circular slide rule. Unless the calculator is programmable it takes longer to enter the numbers than to set up the slide rule and write down the numbers.

  • @TheNadOby
    @TheNadOby 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really like your channel, and slide rules are fun.

  • @badasson8825
    @badasson8825 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is that truly a portrait of Mr. Palmer or just a fake out for representation? So high quality of an image for an invention from just 20 years before

  • @terenceokane
    @terenceokane 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cool vid! Like the dive into an old piece of tech! Just FYI I'm 99% sure youre showing pics of ARNOLD Palmer, NOT Aaron Palmer. You might be being cheeky so if so, I'm just a dummy!

  • @AndyLundell
    @AndyLundell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Request : Do you have a nice-resolution photo of the calculator itself? I'd like to print one off for my own use.
    I'd use the one on Google Books, but some preservationist helpfully wrapped the back cover in cloth.

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I just put it here: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Palmer%27s_pocket_scale.jpg

    • @AndyLundell
      @AndyLundell 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ChrisStaecker Awesome. Thank you.
      And thanks for the quick reply!

  • @r0bhumm
    @r0bhumm ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Since this video is about circular slide rules I thought it appropriate to comment here. I have just managed to acquire both an old is King helical pocket sniper wolf and a fuller calculator.
    Both of these are cylindrical or helical slide walls but very different yeah just King is a device that looks like it could be used by one of the men in Black, wealthy Fuller is more like some sort of ancient scroll from the library of Alexandria even though it was manufactured in the 50s.
    I hope to be able to demonstrate them at our local schools for a bit of cross learning maths history computing perhaps even engineering.

  • @TomCarlson
    @TomCarlson ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There’s a Computing Scale and Time Telegraph bundle on eBay right now for 350 bones!

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice… never seen those for sale

    • @TomCarlson
      @TomCarlson ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And here my wife wasted her Xmas gift money on a Nintendo Switch. Won’t she feel silly if I pick them up with mine!

  • @johnsrabe
    @johnsrabe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Missing pages can equal a lot of missing dollars for fastidious collectors who won’t make do with a scan.

  • @LANless
    @LANless 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it!

  • @_beel
    @_beel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Chris what's the name of the soundtrack in the video intro?

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It’s one of the stock jingles in iMovie. “Breakbeat”

    • @_beel
      @_beel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ChrisStaecker Thanks

  • @rogerrabbit80
    @rogerrabbit80 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Where did you get that metal circular slide rule we see at 3:30?

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I got it randomly at an estate sale in Connecticut. It seems to be rare? I can’t find much info about it online but it is the same as ones branded “controller”.

  • @colinstu
    @colinstu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You would have one nickel.

  • @rlamacraft
    @rlamacraft 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Doesn't a circular slide rule have the advantage that it wraps around?

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      On a circular slide rule, you’ll never have a calculation that goes “off the end”, which is possible in theory on a straight slide rule. (I assume this is why Palmer called it the "endless computing scale", although he didn't invent the concept of a circular slide rule.) I’m not a slide rule expert but I believe that going off the end on a straight slide rule is always avoidable if you’re doing it right- so I don't think this is really a big deal. But I could be wrong about that...

    • @rlamacraft
      @rlamacraft 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ChrisStaecker I’m no expert on them either and what you’re saying sounds reasonable given the continued use of the traditional slide rule long after the circular’s invention - if the circular one was that much better it would have supplanted the linear one

    • @timharig
      @timharig ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is EXACTLY the advantage of a circular slide rule. You never have to reposition the slide for going off the end. You just go around the scale and add a zero every time you pass the origin.

    • @timharig
      @timharig ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@ChrisStaecker Going of of the end is unavoidable on a straight slide rule -- especially when doing multiple serial calculations. What you do when that happens is work the sliderule backwards indicating the result in the opposite end of the slide rule and adding a zero to the result.
      For instance, if I want to multiply a number by four, I would move the 1 on the C scale to the four on the D scale. But if the other number is greater than 2.5 it goes off of the end of the scale. So instead, I move the 10 (labeled 1 on the opposite side) on the C scale to the 4 on the D scale. I then read backwoods to find the number I'm multiplying by. Whenever you go around the scale like this, you have to add another zero to the result.
      For a single calculation, you should already know which way to slide the rule. This usually happens during a series of calculations. You save the result of the calculation using the cursor and reposition the slide as necessary.
      The circle slide rule saves having to figure out which direction to move and read the slide. You just keep going around the circle. You have to remember to add another zero each time you pass the origin.

    • @timharig
      @timharig ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@rlamacraft Contrary to what was stated in the video, straight slide rules were consider more portable. There were slide rule holsters that you could attach to your belt. They were the pocket calculators of their day. Circular slide rules were more like the form factor of a book. They were generally larger models that you kept on your desk and optimized the scale size to get as much precision as possible.

  • @friedrichrutzen1705
    @friedrichrutzen1705 ปีที่แล้ว

    The lead sphere problem has its application in ammo: how large is the ball for a three pound gun and how big is a 12-gauge shotgun (1/12th of a pound of lead and make balls from that)

  • @antiphlex
    @antiphlex ปีที่แล้ว

    Another classic episode. Man, if you had a comedy show, I'd buy the season pass.

  • @arturomateo3920
    @arturomateo3920 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicee

  • @pauljackson3491
    @pauljackson3491 ปีที่แล้ว

    A review I didn't see! Now I can stop rewatching old ones; they are still funny though.
    How long did it take to flip through the book before you sped it up?

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Took a while I guess- I was going slow so I wouldn't hurt the pages.

  • @OldManBOMBIN
    @OldManBOMBIN ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey no joke I do need that last part sometimes. But, yeah. I just use my phone.

  • @alexanderarnold6202
    @alexanderarnold6202 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seems like the examples may have use in like architecture or engineering? Some kind of design stuff. Pretty arbitrary nonetheless

  • @pyglik2296
    @pyglik2296 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    8:20 How can you not know this off the top of your head!? Do you even watch the show?

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I must confess I pulled this example randomly off the wiki as something that I assumed would seem to the layman like an obscure triviality. When I showed it to my kid she informed me that it wasn't nearly obscure enough to be believable as something that needs to be looked up. Sorry!

  • @OldManBOMBIN
    @OldManBOMBIN ปีที่แล้ว

    *This* is what they were doin' in the 1840s?
    😂

  • @autismuskaefer
    @autismuskaefer 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    THe guys from the past had too much time and too much words

  • @christopherneufelt8971
    @christopherneufelt8971 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The picture is not of 1844. Also the clothing. The picture is of around 1950-1960. In addition, in the past the calculation of commodities was the principle issue of small trade. Also the mathematics of mechanisms and mechanics were already 80 years old. There was a good reasoning of computing these strange things.

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yes I agree many of these calculations would have been useful to lots of people. And yes the photo is not from 1844- I’ll leave it to the interested viewer to try to figure out the joke. IYKYK

    • @mitch5297
      @mitch5297 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@ChrisStaecker Why didn't you show the function for which it was invented? To calculate the perfect ratio of lemonade to iced tea.

    • @ChrisStaecker
      @ChrisStaecker  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      THIS guy gets it!

    • @johnsrabe
      @johnsrabe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@mitch5297 There is now no living person with a common drink named for them. Roy Rogers, Shirley Temple, Arnold Palmer, Martin I … they’re all gone.