A very thoughtful… soulful, presentation on “education,” (self-actualization), (a forming of myself). Bildungsideal. This concept was never taught to me in such a way. I am now 60 years old. I… tear up a little. This, could be be taught, built into young children as almost a frame work. at an early age. Similar to framing is critical to a building or a house. If the knowledge of (why)education in any of its forms is important early on in one’s life is…. at least superficially grasped, the chances of a “scattered” soul could be quite high. For me, he’s worth reading further.
Danke Johannes! I went to Valparaiso University in the 70's; a Lutheran, liberal arts history that was quickly being overwhelmed by the professional schools: engineering, business, nursing etc. Still, it was a paradise compared to the meltdown going on in the current American, nightmare moment. However I intuited the slide going on in it's nascent form even back then. That being said, at 65, I feel like I'm getting a second education on U-tube, and you sir, Johannes - have become one of my best professors.
3:024:46 Education 8:319:0510:1811:05 Apollonian / one sidedness : disharmony 11:36 Cosmopolitan / fulfilling the end of the universe / freedom doesn’t mean growth / the goal is not multitasking but totality 14:04 Self activity 17:29 Free from the demands of the state 19:34 Universitas literarum Vs school to work 20:14 Freedom and helpful loneliness / gain access to the truth of the cosmos 23:06 University: fulfilling the purpose of the universe
I am a true acolyte of Humboldt, and I thank my earliest years of education (elementary, middle, and high school) for that. Because of that beginning, my enjoyment of university life, aka, academic life, worked perfectly well for me to self-discover. I also have no problem doing so outside of academia, as the education system showed me the power of that seeking of totality. That being said, having mingled with countless others who chose to forego education (as the speaker casts quite a negative light upon), they seem driven merely, or even solely, by work and then at the end of the day, television and the bottle (as the speaker states). What if they had allowed the experience of education to show them the path offered by education? We'll never know. But countless of my friends that did undergo a life of education at university ended up being those who quest for totality in several capacities, and this has revealed to me that the specialization that is spoken negatively of in this video is not a death sentence of creativity nor of a life as automaton, one manipulated by the market. Rather, they seem freer and more capable to work outside of the demands of the state whereas those without that education seem to me, at least, to be shackled to the whims of the state.
Thank you very much. It was a very enlightning video. Now I'm curious, how did the Prussian schoolsystem develop into Volkschule, Realschule and Gymnasia? The latter one seems to follow the thoughts of Wilhelm von Humboldt, but the former two not at all - they are quite mechanical in nature
His proposal lost to that of Baron von Stein during the Prussian Reforms debate, you can find it in "An Underground History of American Education" of John Taylor Gatto
Hey Johannes, could you point me to some sources that discuss Humboldt's & Prussian "3 tier school system." (elementary secondary & university) or really any where I can do some research on Prussian school days & daily life? Thanks! :)
The word you say in the begining could be similar to "Weltanschauung" yet more on the educational and societal development side of things. Or, knowing his philosophical influences, instead of societal development, yet individual development to help progress society. Do I have that correct?
To some degree, yes. Yet, “Bildung” goes a bit beyond Weltanschauung. It is the inner progression and development, cultivation and formation of the individual but as the mirror of the truth of the universe. The individual that forms itself in this manner forms itself according to the Cosmic law and the university is the place of this actualisation and transformation.
@@JohannesNiederhauser Ah, understandable, as that's what I've been doing for the past few months. Spending time reading book after book and studying the wide spectrum of many philosophers in search of some kind of understanding. All in the hopes that I might find some truth and self discovery. In a time where information is so abundant, truth is hidden like a needle in a haystack.
On Humboldt and Happyness: It is interesting that Humboldt basically precedes Nietzsche here who said similar thinks. (But to honest, I think this is a special trait of german philosophy, later shared with people Like Nietzsche, Spengler and Heidegger. Germany philosophy is basically that you need to learn to be content with the fact that in the long term, you cannot be happy and wanting to be happy as your primary goal makes you stupid in the end. In a certain way, I think even ultimately, german philosophy ultimately ends up as "the only thing that can make you happy is to accept that ultimately, nothing can make you happy". lol)
One could have gotten the best of both worlds, if one would have searched for balance, i.e., acceptance of the materialistic nature of man, a rejection of stagnation of the true being within oneself. I seemingly did.
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Das hier ist wohl die beste Einführung zu Humboldts Bildungsideal auf TH-cam.
Vielen Dank dafür. :)
Herzlichen Dank!
A very thoughtful… soulful, presentation on “education,” (self-actualization), (a forming of myself). Bildungsideal.
This concept was never taught to me in such a way. I am now 60 years old. I… tear up a little. This, could be be taught, built into young children as almost a frame work. at an early age. Similar to framing is critical to a building or a house. If the knowledge of (why)education in any of its forms is important early on in one’s life is…. at least superficially grasped, the chances of a “scattered” soul could be quite high.
For me, he’s worth reading further.
Thank you. This is one of the most beautiful comments (which literally means “thinking with”) I have received so far.
In Arabic there's a word Tarbiyah or Tarbiyeth. It covers full meaning of education.
Tarbiyah literally means to raise a child in certain context
Danke Johannes!
I went to Valparaiso University in the 70's; a Lutheran, liberal arts history that was quickly being overwhelmed by the professional schools: engineering, business, nursing etc. Still, it was a paradise compared to the meltdown going on in the current American, nightmare moment. However I intuited the slide going on in it's nascent form even back then.
That being said, at 65, I feel like I'm getting a second education on U-tube, and you sir, Johannes - have become one of my best professors.
Thank you very much, Thomas!
That means a lot.
I hope to see you at one of my online seminar courses at some point
Thank you very much. Very interesting.
Lovely lecture! Magic! I keep coming back and listen to this!!!
Really great, thanks!
Thank you!
@@JohannesNiederhauser always interesting to learn about European liberals beyond the English, Scottish and French traditions.
3:02 4:46 Education 8:31 9:05 10:18 11:05 Apollonian / one sidedness : disharmony 11:36 Cosmopolitan / fulfilling the end of the universe / freedom doesn’t mean growth / the goal is not multitasking but totality 14:04 Self activity 17:29 Free from the demands of the state 19:34 Universitas literarum Vs school to work 20:14 Freedom and helpful loneliness / gain access to the truth of the cosmos 23:06 University: fulfilling the purpose of the universe
Thank you
Very nicely done.
Fantastic work!
Thank you most kindly, Joseph!
I am a true acolyte of Humboldt, and I thank my earliest years of education (elementary, middle, and high school) for that. Because of that beginning, my enjoyment of university life, aka, academic life, worked perfectly well for me to self-discover. I also have no problem doing so outside of academia, as the education system showed me the power of that seeking of totality. That being said, having mingled with countless others who chose to forego education (as the speaker casts quite a negative light upon), they seem driven merely, or even solely, by work and then at the end of the day, television and the bottle (as the speaker states). What if they had allowed the experience of education to show them the path offered by education? We'll never know. But countless of my friends that did undergo a life of education at university ended up being those who quest for totality in several capacities, and this has revealed to me that the specialization that is spoken negatively of in this video is not a death sentence of creativity nor of a life as automaton, one manipulated by the market. Rather, they seem freer and more capable to work outside of the demands of the state whereas those without that education seem to me, at least, to be shackled to the whims of the state.
Brilliant :)
Thank you
Thank you very much. It was a very enlightning video. Now I'm curious, how did the Prussian schoolsystem develop into Volkschule, Realschule and Gymnasia? The latter one seems to follow the thoughts of Wilhelm von Humboldt, but the former two not at all - they are quite mechanical in nature
His proposal lost to that of Baron von Stein during the Prussian Reforms debate, you can find it in "An Underground History of American Education" of John Taylor Gatto
Good video.
Thanks
Is there any university or educational institution that holds to humboldtian values?
Danke
Gerne!
Hey Johannes, could you point me to some sources that discuss Humboldt's & Prussian "3 tier school system." (elementary secondary & university) or really any where I can do some research on Prussian school days & daily life? Thanks! :)
The word you say in the begining could be similar to "Weltanschauung" yet more on the educational and societal development side of things. Or, knowing his philosophical influences, instead of societal development, yet individual development to help progress society. Do I have that correct?
To some degree, yes. Yet, “Bildung” goes a bit beyond Weltanschauung. It is the inner progression and development, cultivation and formation of the individual but as the mirror of the truth of the universe. The individual that forms itself in this manner forms itself according to the Cosmic law and the university is the place of this actualisation and transformation.
@@JohannesNiederhauser Ah, understandable, as that's what I've been doing for the past few months. Spending time reading book after book and studying the wide spectrum of many philosophers in search of some kind of understanding. All in the hopes that I might find some truth and self discovery. In a time where information is so abundant, truth is hidden like a needle in a haystack.
Great video, thank you very much. 👍
Yes, precisely! All the best on your quest. It is a noble one.
Thank you as well!
'Bildning'
👍🏻
On Humboldt and Happyness: It is interesting that Humboldt basically precedes Nietzsche here who said similar thinks. (But to honest, I think this is a special trait of german philosophy, later shared with people Like Nietzsche, Spengler and Heidegger. Germany philosophy is basically that you need to learn to be content with the fact that in the long term, you cannot be happy and wanting to be happy as your primary goal makes you stupid in the end. In a certain way, I think even ultimately, german philosophy ultimately ends up as "the only thing that can make you happy is to accept that ultimately, nothing can make you happy". lol)
Bildung = Formation (intellectual)
Has there been a book written on this topic?
Good idea
Thanks ! I am making a data base for philosophy and i hope you will visit it some time greetings Eric van Hoeven
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greetings Eric van Hoeven
We could have Humboldt, but instead we got rationalism and pragmatism... sad.
We can still have Humboldt. I'm building towards it with my Halkyon Academy.
One could have gotten the best of both worlds, if one would have searched for balance, i.e., acceptance of the materialistic nature of man, a rejection of stagnation of the true being within oneself. I seemingly did.