BMW R1250GS vs. KTM 1290 Super Adventure S. Which One is Faster?
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- BMW R1250GS features the new ShiftCam technology that brings more mid-range torque power: 143 NM and 136 HP (compared to the 125 NM, 125 HP figures for the R1200GS). But is it enough to beat the thrill-seeker KTM 1290 Super Adventure S (160 hp)? We took both of them to the race-track to find out. Place your bets!
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Why am I watching this video when I have a 125cc
Who knows ...
U may own superduke in future
I had a 125 cc before now i have a 250cc and after who knows? The future nobody knows nothing about
i have 150cc :\
Only zero is missing that's why... Find the zero .hahah
@@kiranm6749 BMW 1250 haha :v for sure one day
Performance on a race track is about the last comparison I'd be interested in for this kind of bike.
Why? If you want a adventure bike capable of on and off road, why would you not want the best of both worlds? This review helped me in my adventure bike purchase decision a lot! The KTM is a master at both I feel, and unlike most adventure bikes, this has everything i am looking for, sports bike performance, and dirt bike rugged aggression for off road!
On road? Yes.
Off Road? Yes.
Race track? Non.
Why do you care what the top end on a track is when it's unlikely you'll ever go there?
Adventure bikes need decent road manners, decent mileage and range and good off road manners.
How fast you can hang a knee seems irrelevant.
I'd rather have the 790.
I'll bet the BMW gets better miles per repair too.
The S1000XR would blow both of them off the track and still manage some trail riding.
@@wileym Well sir, to be honest I want to know the full capabilities of anything, if your searching for a vehicle that is supposed to be top performance on road and top performance off, wouldn't you want to know the limits and have full understanding of what your driving? I'm a huge motorcycle and vehicle enthusiast and also a mechanic, I love to hear the engine roar and see it pushed to its limits that way I KNOW what I have! We all have our preferences sir, that's just me. If you have a gaming laptop you want to know how much you can crank up the graphics settings, same with good sounding home theater system, goes for anything.
@@bewaretheclaw Not so much.
The only bikes I have wound out to the maximum were Harleys I had modified to go faster. And a couple of small bikes.
Most other bikes are already capable of going far faster than I have any wish to go and handle way better than I can use so, no, I only need to know that they will do what I personally want them to do.
I know my home theatre will blow my eardrums out. I don't need to actually play it that loud to prove the point.
As for gaming, that's the equivalent of a dedicated track bike. You can do a track day on a moped. It doesn't really belong there any more than an adventure bike.
@@wileym i understand bud, we all like different things i guess, thanks for the civil conversation, ride safe brah
No music please! Let's just hear the engine sounds...
Knee down on both of these massive machines... that’s impressive! Great video as always!
fredthebarber Not difficult, both great handling machines even though neither designed for the track they can be surprisingly fast in the right hands...
Make sure not to drop the machine during trail rides. Forklifts may be hard to find...
@@patriotofgod9827 Just gotta know how ta pickem up mate !
@@stuartbirchall3971 Just gotta know how not to drop them...
@@patriotofgod9827 In the trails anything can happen unless you are ARiemann1
A lot of difference in power...and the track has a lot of straights so...no surprise. BMW never intended to compete in speed with the KTM, but in driving and traveling pleasure. ✌️
Comparison sould be the KTM against Bmw s1000xr and Ducati multistrada 1260... but anyways nice video guys.Thanks.
No chance against s1000xr. It makes more horsepower, is lighter and handling is much more crisp.
Periclis Athanasiou yep. On the track.
how you can compare the 1290 with the s1000xr? its different bike not same class. Needs to make sence
The BMW S1000xr goes against KTM Super Duke GT
Miras Khakimzhan Both 160
The KTM is less expensive by a couple thousand dollars and I really don't like the engine sticking out of the sides on the BMW. Team Orange all the way!
Very much enjoy your reviews here in America. Your drone footage is exceptional. Nice work.
I have rode both bikes and the BMW is fast in the sense that number change quite fast on the speedometer but KTM is fast in the sense you are constantly popping front wheel and spinning the rear tire :D And KTM has even more "usable" power since it vibrates so much that you have to always keep over 3000 rpm on the clock so you end up riding one gear smaller than on the bmw, and the top end is also just as usable power as anything else, the gearbox is there for a reason :D
Worst comment ever. Now vibrations under 3000 are something good? HAHA
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Thanks guys- from a California KTM fan!
Entertaining video again from you guys. Nice to see a diverse appraisal of both these bikes from Romania. Factual, interesting and above all entertaining. Keep these vids coming , they are spot on!
You guys should do a long term test-ride with the KTM 1290 SAS, because you have the best tests!
Helpful info, guys. Just decided for the KTM. tk you
I like how he says pros about ktm while seating on bmw 😂
Both are fantastic bikes. In the end the difference is also a matter of personal taste. There is no wrong decision.
I’ve had 3 GSs and I really like them, but my 1290SA is the best all round bike I’ve ever owned, including many Ducati superbikes and multistrada, S1000RR.
I’m surprised the BMW wheels survived, that’s been a huge problem lately
Ronan Rogers so which is The best?
Survived what? Road use?
you liked driving more BMW than KTM, maybe that's why you believed you thought you were getting better time :)
Good video....thanks for posting. I own a KTM and the motor really is amazing...they don't call it "The Beast" for no reason.
This is why real adventure riders are going more and more for middle and lightweight bikes with more agility and less power.
Adventure bikes belong in the wilderness, not on a track and the more track ready they become, the less off road capable they become at the same time.
They become more work and less fun except on dry, well surfaced roads.
BMW is selling more and more of their middleweight bikes and now with the G310GS people are going to start working with that platform. Rally Raid already makes a full off-road conversion kit for it. Get it a larger tank and it could go around the world.
I wouldn't be surprised to bee BMW bump that to the mid 400s and sell a ton of them.
This high power race is so totally counter what adventure riding is all about.
When I sail across the sea, I prefer to take a canoe.
You are somehow right on the off road capabilities and adequacy for RTW trips, a lighter weight bike will save you much trouble and make your life much easier. However, this "arms race" between the big trail bikes, IMO, started in earnest with the 2010 Ducati multistrada, who dared put a superbike engine in a trail bike, and the ms is such a magnificent bike, it would be a crying shame if it hadn't existed. I tell you, I have a multistrada, (my 5th big bike after my 1st ever, a 125cc Casal), I just can't put words to how much fun this bike is.
But yes, if I ever do a RTW trip, (an old dream of mine), I will take a 450 to 650 trail bike, then it's all left to the tyre choice.
@@antwan37 I love Ducatis in general and the MS is one of the best. (My first two bikes were Duc singles)
One of the first bikes with different modes so you could take the edge off the power for off-road use.
The power wars are fun but it would be a lot better for riding if they concentrated on usable torque. If this was 3 years ago I would have one of the Yamaha 700s.
@@wileym You mean the teneré 700? for a RTW trip? Excellent choice.
@@antwan37 Yup. That's the one. Looks like a really good bike.
I had a gs in the montains of france for a while, if you want to test a motorbike on a circuit with long curves use a racing motorbike. If you want to test a motorbike on small mountain roads balancing from one side to the other in second then take the gs. This bike is a dream , amazing torque , gravity center so low that you just need your knees to drive it, incredible suspensions securing your path over bad asphalt. No sport bike will challenge you there, believe me, I talk from experience.
I test rode the KTM today. Sold!
Very nice guys, congrats, you are often providing very interesting content (and i am one who criticized you when you did not😊) I believe the hp difference on a race track makes a lot of difference way more than it would in the road so this proves something but possibly just half of the story. Thanks for the video, was really nice indeed!😉👍
The KTM didn't break, it's a miracle.
The same could be said about the BMW. I think it’s even more applicable to the BMW.
The New BMW hasn't had a good reputation for being reliable since it's launch plenty of videos on here about it.
That is no surprise, KTM ready to Race.
In summary, great video and you can't go wrong with either one of these bikes.
Closer than I expected.
Nice video, good review of the differences between the bikes. There was an italian website doing the same test including a Ducati Multistrada 1260, all with the same tyres. Of course the Multi it was faster than the other two on a track, but KTM was slightly slower than BMW in that occasion.
Then they made a race starting all from the same line: BigK got 200m by the first turn. Amazing.
Oh, by the way: KTM rules, always! XD
Sure not !
Sure not
Thought the BMW did great comparing the weight difference with its shaft drive - chain on the 2 bikes 😁
NONE of the Customers who Buy BMW 1250 gs want "FAST-BIKE!" its the ADVENTURE they want, if you want FAST-BIKE 1000 RR go for it !
@@bestvideos4ever1 that s why most of the gs bmw s never see the dirt:))
@@bestvideos4ever1 I want both! GS smaller front wheel makes easier to ride twisties on tar. KTM 21 front makes it much better ADV, but we GS owners all beat most of our KTM friends through the twisties. Except this one guy....lunatic!
Ktm ready to race!
BMW ready to cafeteria !🇬🇷😃🇬🇷😂
Ktm αδερφέ έρχονται Κρήτη για ανάβαση στα κατσάβραχα και φεύγουν βηδες , ενώ τα GS έρχονται και είναι και οι οδηγοί χωρίς λάμες όταν φύγουν
KTM ready to lose
BMW ready to win !!!
@@ΑντώνηςΣπαντιδάκης-δ2φ μήπως επειδή τα bmw μείνανε στον καφέ ;
@@Chrisloou όχι είμαι κτηνοτρόφος και τους βλέπω όλο το καλοκαίρι που κάνουν αναβάσεις στα όροι και μηλάμε για άγριο τόπο , κατά τη γνώμη μου είναι πιο καλό ζυγισμένο μηχάνημα τώρα τα υπόλοιπα είναι και γούστα .
@@egg-static
yes you are right, BMW is always the first in the service:) KTM the best.
great video!
having owned both bike, i knew the KTM would savage it
Me too. I’ve had 3 GS, and I really like them, but I knew even the updated 1250 would get smashed.
That’s cool and all, but ride them from Virginia to Oregon and then tell me which you’d rather be on.
Beamers can add miles to your days. I’m not sure I could tolerate 12 plus hours on the KTM (stock ergonomics on both bikes)
Fantastic video guys! You're getting better with every video.
First class don't come cheap. KTM handles like a dream at high speeds, and always has more. You just gotta be in control To challenge KTM limits.
Another channel has stated that it's unstable at speed.
No it doesnt come cheap. KTM stand for Keep Taking Money🤣🤣
KTM's are a bit more unstable at high speeds. Longer suspension travel and conventional forks/shocks (compared to para/telelever) are more setting-sensitive than BMW's setup. Had both types (990R vs 1200GS).
You are great! Greeting fro Serbia.. next review kawasaki versys 1000 se 2019😉
Verseys 1000 is a sports tourer not an adventure Tourer.
And Verseys 1000 is shit.
I love both bikes and both companies. If you bought either of these machines and thought you missed out on something actually measurable, you would have probably been happy with a Tenere.
Gs is the category definition of what a premium ADV is and KTM meets that quota and chooses to stretch it a little
Now you can go round the world faster.
Very valueable test. Everybody wanted to know how the big Tourers are on a racetrack….
a good bike can perform best almost everywhere,with a best rider and thats ktm.
It's a no brainer before watching that the KTM is faster ! But it's the BMW I'd have for road
RK SBK Test drive the KTM once, you might change your mind.
@@TheWAP5 no coz id have a supernaked for thrills
I drive the SA 1290 as a daily driver and it works perfect and if you have the possibility to go full goon this bike is absolutely the best in its category
Agree completely
Love these guys videos, exciting, clear and informative, from keen enthusiasts 🤔 experts in the field of bikes! Keep it up 👍
I owned the 1290S but decided to traded it for the R1250GS. I miss the 1290S, it is way, way quicker and turns on a dime. The R1250 is more than enough power, but I like the suspension way better. The 1290S suspension is pretty firm, but it is the perfect bike if you are chasing your friends (or leading them) around the mountains. I think even faster and more comfortable than the Multistrada (1290S). If you are doing multi-day trips, you will probably like the R1250GS more. My experience and opinions :)
Great reviews guys. Thank you.
This was not really a suprice to me, the KTM is a BEAST.. How ever this kind of bikes is made for long distance touring with some adventure riding and preferably with as good comfort as possible and thats when the "Bimmer" shines.. And the tourqe i just right for road use on the BMW, you almost dont need to change gears :) .. I just traded my KTM 1290 for an R1250 GSA mostly for better comfort but also for alot better quality over all and even though i miss the KTM sometimes it feels like i made the right choice.. If i wanna go on a track i'll go on a ZX10-R.
Agree.
Funny, just traded my 1290 SAS after almost 2 years back to the 1250 GS (been a long time GS fan too) because of buffeting on the KT/general comfort/height on the GS. Will I miss the KTM at times? Yes. It's an awesome bike and anyone who owns either of these won't be disappointed. More a case of whats your favourite flavour
I like your "home made style" of production👍. Stay humble and honest !😎👌
Compare BMW F 850 GSA and Triumph 800 xca !!
Great compare guys - really nice ride and drone footage - would be fun to compare these again this time with the same track day tires and push them a bit - I often group ride with my RR rider brothers and have been able to keep them in site with my R1200GSA with Metzeler's Karoo Streets (very sticky & precise - though very short-lived rear) - always amazed at how well the GS handles with good tires! Currently testing Michelin's new Anakee Adventures (very sticky though less precise, handles rocks better off-road though) Again, thanks so much for all you do!
48 Beemer fans are JUST NOT HAPPY!! Awesome KTM! :D :D
well mate...i am a bimmer fan actually and i am pretty happy with the results. None of these bikes are made for trucks. Speed, dynos, timers are not for these bikes... This test would fit better between an s100 xr and a Ducati multistrada i think...
@@andreasargiriadis6125 Nothing personal my friend. Love the BMW GS too but a KTM Knicks it for me purely because it's a BEAST!!
BMWs are more relaxed I guess. To each unto his own 😉
That was entertaining and informative. Top shelf content guys. Cheers from America 🇺🇸
Yeah, am I missing something, what difference does it make who's faster on the track?
Faster, power, KTM. Comfort and less
money on the bank account, BMW:
wish I could give more thumbs up, really good stuff
As Always, very good comparative test.
Good job guys.
Yup, we’re now racing adventure bikes for lap times to see which is faster. This is funny! hahahaha
Interesting . Fun video . I think I would buy the BMW . I don’t really care about speed and quickness with a bike like this . I wouldn’t even take it off road. I would set it up with different tires for long highway rides . Thanks guys.
Thank you guys much appreciated
Man, you are doing awesome job. I wached and the other videos you made. They perfect...
Another great video. Thanks, guys! I do enjoy these comparisons. It would seem here that you certainly can't go wrong with either bike. So it really comes down to personal preference. Personally I lean towards the KTM, but that is just me!
I knew it was the one with the glasses the test pilot !!
Two magnificent maxitrail bikes and overall compared to other mounts.
Bestial the KTM and BMW: the Austrian is like a good diamond and the German like another good diamond but, more polished and detailed with respect to its design and throughout the bike, especially in every detail of each piece that is at a level of premium.
Is BMW the same polished diamond in its mechanics compared to the KTM?
I do know DriveMag love BMW e.e, however even If the KTM is powerful the exhaust sound sucks really hard, both bikes are great I can say, but this BMW is awesome
Nice video guys! Always good to see you :)
I own a KTM adventure and agree about track times or even off road prowess. The GS wins in the resale and comfort.
I love my Adventure but you can't ride it easy and kick back. It is a high maintenance beast that hates going slow.
These Bikes are not made for Track , I think The Review should be on the Handling and Functionality and not flat out speed . Take it off road and it would be beneficial for your audience. Thank you.
We also did a touring/functionality review last year. But since everybody's curios about their performance, we also took them on circuit. Of course, we'll be back with a complete test to include everything - from track to every-day use.
Pinky121971 looks like you know nothing about this channel
@@DriveMagRiders It was entertainjng to watch, thanks guys. It's a shame that some people get so upset and worked up over what is essentially just a fun video!! Yes, the race track is not on the top spot of both bikes design brief, but I personally spank any bike I own in any setting so I enjoyed it lol.......jeez get over it and take a breath people...
I love the Beemer for it's outstanding touring comfort and all around credentials... it really is good at almost everything (it's what I rent when I'm in the Germany and the weather is good enough for riding)... but it's not fast like the KTM is fast. The Beemer runs out of breath too early - right when my Multistrada is just getting into the power the Beemer is going flat and asking you to shift, (and the KTM is very close to the 1260 Multi... bit stronger in the midrange where the Multi is strong off idle and at the top end). The Beemer is actually right with them at the low and into the start of the midrange... but after that it's goodbye GS.
Thank You Almighty God for blessing me I will buy one of each of them
Please make an comparison this year with the new Multistrada V4, KTM Super adventure S, BMW GS1250 and the upcoming H-D Pan America.
This would be an awesome test 🙏🏼
Nice review, enjoying your channel. Hello from USA
Did he have the BMW on Endurance mode, bliper - quick shift, try using that in the winter in Scotland. People buy these bikes and hide them in there garage. I have a BMW GS Rally TE and it got me back into ryding after 10 years. I had a Susuki GXSR 600 ex track bike. I love my BMW, it's a great go to work all year round bike, it's very comfortable to ride, after all who test rides an adventure bike on a race track, trol trollo.???
BMW = king of marketing
No they're not. There is a lot of difference in HP. Put the BMW xr1000 up against the ktm and see....It's a closer comparison. I like ktm, I have 2 of them.
Prof. King of Adventure Bikes.
If the BMW comes with shaft drive as it should then that is the deal maker for me.
Low oil pressure warning on ktm toward end of ride... fin issue even in my 390
It says tyre pressure front low not oil pressure from what I can see
The BMW is built for comfortable. KTM is a beast for those serious about all out power.
KTM are also very good offroad. If you haven’t seen the KTM Australia rally (especially the 2018 Outback), I highly recommend it. 200+ amateur riders going places you simply couldn’t take a GS...very hard offroad sections with big rocks that I know none of my 3 GS would have survived
@@ronanrogers4127
Agree the KTM’s roots are in motocross and dirt orientation. The GS/GSA more about road comfort.
A year late but very nice video and comparison... I've ridden both hard on the road (not track) and it was pretty obvious the KTM was quicker everywhere.
I'm a bit of a KTM fanboy, and yes would take it, but if I was doing a long tour on road only, the BMW imo is better. But any faster riding, or off road, the KTM is better.
I really have no idea why we care much about how these bikes perform on a track. In the real world riders choose the BMW in overwhelming numbers.
Thanks. That was entertaining - those 13 minutes disappeared so quickly! 😊👍
What about service and fixing and reliability ???? And also the material
Great video. It’s good to know stats like the ones you’ve produced here. The KTM IS the faster bike which I think we all suspected. I’m concerned with all the issues the KTM is having especially with the electronics. Ive been monitoring several KTM, BMW and ADV Facebook pages. The majority of the GS owners are posting about their newest farkle while most of the posts for the KTM seem to be about their frustrations with dealing with their dealer about another issue with their bike. I want to love the KTM but if I were going to pull the trigger on one of these bike I’d go with the GS due to its reliability. Although time will tell how the shift cam works long term.
Shifter on my '17 1200GS Rallye is same, doesnt like to go next gear above about 5500rpm. Have to clutch it everytime. Full torque is at closer to 6700-6800rpm should be where you can quick shift. Sounds like they havent fixed that deficiency in this model either.
I considered both recently, but KTM’s after sales, service is appalling where BMW’s is amazing, so went with the GSA 1250 HP.
If I wanted a speed bike, I would’ve got another......
Ducati Multistrada probably is the fastest one.
@@renatooi88 funnily enough, I’ve since chopped in for an S1000XR
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I think this is a fun comparison if only for the reason that both bikes are bloody amazing allrounders. I also love all the brand banta in the comments, boys will be boys hehe. I just upgraded my 1190 Adventure to a 1290SAS and waiting for it to arrive; would have happily gone with the GS if the deal wasn't so good with KTM!
I think he is the same guy cager on two wheels
didn.t you include the ducati multistrada 1260S for this comparison?
Each to their own.. but I didn't really absorb this video as seeing two adventure bikes on a race track with a dude in full race leathers... kinda missed the point of these bikes and what I was looking for...
But again, I guess each to their own. :)
Let's see one with both bikes kitted out properly. Knobbies, panniers, crash bars, etc, just for kicks.
A GS isn't actually made for "racing" purposes that's not what it is designed for. That's why they keep the hp low to. Ofcourse they need to listen to the customers so that's why they increased it and made it faster over time. if u want to go really sporty with a GS, buy an XR
I bet all the dislikes are from GS riders. Haha.
An italian channel did a similar test with the multistrada also. The result was a ktm and bmw very close. I think it is interesting. The reaction you described are the same but probably the bikes are sensitive to tires and track. Interesting for enduros. I love this tests.
That test is irrelevant for adventure riders, in the real world with those bikes what is important is low mid range, nobody gets an adventure bike to do track days.
I do. I ride a 1290 Super Adventure (2016). And I do trackdays. Checkout my video.
How is it irrelevant?? If you are going to purchase a adventure bike why would you not want to know how it performs on asphalt? If you just want a off road bike go with a dual sport or dirt bike, an adventure bike is the best of both worlds, and if im going to purchase one I want the best and fastest street, and most aggressive off road.
This show just keeps getting better! Keep it up guys
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As always,thks guys.
Initially I was going to buy the BMW but due to the local dealer's terrible presales service I decided to look at options. I am down to 3 bikes - the KTM1290, the BMW R1250 and the Africa twin. I live in Vancouver and service is a big one for me. The local BMW dealer (there is only one) is terrible. Complaints are numerous and they seem more motivated by $$$ than they do in helping customers. They dont even allow test rides. This alone may knock BMW of the running. I am glad I watched this because the BMW is an expensive bike with average performance and the local service is abysmal plus I will never buy a bike I cant test ride.
I think with these two bikes the course should have been the grass next to the track.
Nice facility you're testing at! Too bad KTM doesn't have a shaft drive......Nice video. Thank you.
This comparison would be fare if you will compare its other capabilities rather than taking them on a track
kr automotives we also had a street review. Check it out.
Really none of both bike are meant for track racing, so I would rather compare them for what they are designed for; long distance travel.
Anyway thanks for your video
Christian Mouraux you right my friend !
Useless video
Why not? I’m a girl, I own ktm sas 1290 and I’m planning to take it to the track. I cannot afford owning two bikes. It’s a very relevant test I enjoy watching!
Finally all clear 👍🏻
Now we know who is the daddy 😂
yes, its BMW ! undoubdly the best adventure BIKE !!! KTM don't even know what to do....but they are close enough for second place !
@@bestvideos4ever1 have you ever tried one ?
Aigaro for aggressive rider who still likes fun ktm. Comfort bmw
What about comparing it with the s1000xr? It would have been a more fair comparison.
Good video tough, as always.
Next up: F150 vs Silverado - Which is pointlessly faster on the track?
F150… For sure. I find the payload based rear suspension to be very refined for the race track. And the F150 only understeers for a mile,
Where is the Silverado understeers for 2 miles. Truly important stuff LOL
In my books, the KTM, which is 24 hp more, 47cc bigger, and 14 kg lighter, the looser here.
Simple if you equal the hp as the KTM has and weight to the BMW, who do you think will be faster around the track.