My favourite George comment re: John Lennon: Interviewer of George (about John): "He was no angel" George: "He wasn't, but he was... as well." Interviewer: "Was he?" George: "Yeah."
Yes i saw that Selina Scott interview with George too, in it he also said John was a good lad whom he liked very much who was a slight genius but on the other hand was just some guy...
Re: his relationship with Paul before his passing, in an October 1980 interview with John at the Hit Factory he refers to Paul as his “dear one” and when asked if he was ever surprised by the material Paul brought to the band John remarks something along the lines of “No, how could you be surprised by your brother since you were 15 onwards.” I think suffice to say they had been on good terms during his passing compounded with Paul saying that they had a really pleasant last phone call speaking of baking bread and whatnot as you mentioned
I think John was the type of person who didn't look back that often and when he did it was almost too painful for him . I read Cynthia Lennon's 2 books about her experiences with John and she understood him almost as much as anyone could. She said ,as I remember, that when John ended something, he then moved on to the next thing. When his marriage to Cynthia ended, she was removed completely from the Beatles and their inner circle. John was a mercurial person and his thoughts about things and people could change from nostalgic to negative and back again. I think Yoko at times exercised too much control of him, but John's insecurity allowed this to happen.
John did indeed do that with painful events in his life. BUT, Julian was the one instance where he couldn't move on fully, he had a son to still deal with. I think that was the beginning of him realizing that he couldn't live that way for the rest of his life
These guys were mates and everything that was said or done was in the context of family disagreement magnified by their celebrity and their egos, and then refracted through an insatiable media and fandom. I can’t imagine having every word I said being dissected and then interpreted relentlessly by people who weren’t there. I don’t mean you, John Heaton. Relationships ebb and flow over time and I’m sure they would’ve reunited at some point in the ‘80s because they were mates first-something that each one of them acknowledged even when they were saying negative things about each other. In a way, I feel sorry for Paul. He knew he needed John to fully realize his musical genius, and since John’s death he’s been searching for that partner who’d approximate the chemistry he had with John. I’ve never gotten over John’s death. It’s been forty years of watching shadows on the wall.
Felipe M Because Lennon sang about what it meant to be human. He wore his heart on his sleeve and his solo albums from Plastic Ono Band are better than anything Pail put out. Don’t get me wrong, I love Paul. He was a melodic genius, but there are few songs he did as a solo that I keep going back to whereas I’m always revisiting John’s stuff.
@Felipe M Well, Felipe, I'm forced to take umbrage with in that he wrote great songs on Revolver (1966) and Walrus was pretty good, too (1967). However, I do agree that I thought his stuff on Pepper royally sucked (sans Day in the Life, but even Paul contributed heavily) and all of his stuff sucked on the white album. But prior to his drug use (specifically heroin) his so gs are my favorites.
Hey John, I saw Paul in concert last summer...fantastic concert...and it revived my interest in the Beatles...after all...I am 65 now...retired...with time to reflect...and i read a bio of Paul...and Mark Lewisohn's book Tune In...volume 1...and I found your videos...and I am really enjoying your insights...thanks!
Like brothers, every one of these guys through the ups & downs, happy & sad, frustrated & exhilarated, their unique & exclusive love for each other was always there throughout The Beatles & post Beatles. Their degree of how much they "liked" each other was an added roller coaster ride to their hurricane adventures. I'm convinced that whether they saw or spoke to each other & they were cool or not, the love was stapled & they thought about each other all the time.
John Lennon was a pretty sensitive guy and you could end up hurting him rather easily. I think the years since his assassination both Paul McCartney and Yoko Ono have come out and somewhat described John's personality as being hard on the outside but with a very soft center that tried throughout his life to protect, to protect himself from being hurt. I think that coupled with the fact that John Lennon changed his opinions as often as the rest of the world changes it's socks makes it incredibly hard to pin down exactly how he felt about his former band-mates circa early December of 1980. I think that from a professional perspective, he had regard for them all and would even go so far as to say that he was enthusiastic about Neil Aspinall's film project, "The Long And Winding Road" which eventually transformed into "The Beatles: Anthology" in the nineties. I think had events transpired differently, he would've agreed to partake in that film but to what extent any collaboration would've taken place professionally or otherwise is just up any degree of speculation.
Great episode, John. It's hard to imagine John and Paul never making up if John had lived. I think they would have not only repaired the friendship but also written together again.
Another excellent topic for discussion full of your usual research and knowledge. Have you read Chris O'Dell's book Miss O'Dell? In it she covers in some detail John and George meeting up on his '74 tour. It was on December 15 at Nassau Coliseum and John with May Pang watched from the side of the stage, they went back to the hotel afterwards and Maureen Starkey was also there, John and George talked about the last time they were in the hotel on the Beatles tours (Plaza hotel), all comes across very amicable and friendly, no mention though of John possibly going on stage. I was surprised to read that May P was there as it can't have been long before John got back with Yoko.
Never blamed Yoko for breaking up the Beatles but I agree with George…bad vibes. Heroin, isolation and bad business advice, not a good girlfriend/wife in my estimation
In my humble opinion John in the last 5 years of his life was so secretive due to him giving everything to his son Sean for some to say he said this & he said that is most probably wrong! Their love never died no matter what the press said & fair enough emotions were running high during the court cases but time was a healer & both Paul & George's tributes to their friend & brother is proof..... And yes I do believe 100% if John had lived they would have worked together again in some capacity not as the Beatles as such but something would have happened in solo albums/tours!! Another fantastic video Mr Heaton by the way 👍
I think we all had hoped they made up before John's death because of guilt the others may have felt. The lyrics George wrote in All Those Years Ago were heartfelt by George and he included Paul and Ringo in the recording of it. Paul of course wrote of John a few times and they met up. Ringo was the one they all could like because of their relationship with him was usually friendly. I loved hearing this video and it helps us process our mourning a little better.
There is an interview with George H. on youtube where he indicates that he was at the Dakota visiting John in '78, which I believe was just prior to the publication of his book that John was upset about. George mentioned in the interview that he was surprised that John had so many Indian music tapes and that this type of music was playing during his visit. He never thought John was into that kind of music that much.
Paul McCartney is on record that George and John never reconciled after 1971. He said I made my peace with John but George did not. That interview must be on TH-cam somewhere.
Yes but john would have softened his position had he lived…a lot of angst amongst the four post split and john pointed out in 1980 that what he felt one day might change with the next….unfortunately we’ll never know but nothing was final for sure
@@johnheaton5667 Didn't George say in an interview that he met John and Yoko at the Dakota sometime during the late '70s and mentioned that John had Indian music playing in the background? It surprised George because he thought that John never really cared for that type of music.
Interesting and well researched. All I have to say is that the edginess of Lennon throughout the 70s is what prevented the Beatles ever playing together as a foursome again and we have to thank him for that. That's the beauty about the Beatles, the fact there is a beginning and an end. The circle was complete and their story is all the better for it. Had they reformed even for one song, it would have spoilt the whole thing. It's sad that he died the way he did but his death sealed the Beatles story and in turn rekindled the world's interest in the band. As Mark Lewisohn remarked, the Beatles were a tired old thing by the end of the 70s, old fashioned and out of date. Only America kept them out of the moth balls through their Beatles fests but everywhere else they had become this charming old band from the 60s that the new generations (post punk) were happy to forget. Lennon's death made the other three (and Yoko) a second fortune and revived their careers and started the Beatles machine all over again which is at full steam today with all these anniversary box sets, films, re-packaged releases and incessant articles in the music press and on internet sites.
The Bangladesh concert was one catalyst but what was the final straw in George and John falling out was when John failed to show for the signing of the dissolution of the Beatles in 1974 in NY(he would sign in Disneyland a bit later)but instead send a balloon which prompted George to call John and say do not bother to show up for his concert performance that year.
I just heard the last gasp remark and watched the interview where Paul was asked about it. I took it at John saying it was Paul's last gasp of The Beatles before they broke up and he was very creative. I hope Paul listened to the interview.
Only to a degree, do I think Lennon made it up with Paul and George before his death. With John removing himself out of the spotlight for some five years it's difficult to assess, but I would say it was virtually impossible to become closer friends again through the 1970's with John being under the thumb of Yoko (whether he was raising a son or not). It (or she) certainly wouldn't have helped. Had John stayed with May Pang after 1974 or continued making music and been generally more accessible, things would have been a bit different. As it was, time naturally helped heal disagreements and festering resentments to be civil towards one another, but I still think 1980 was too close to the split. Deep down I believe John never properly forgave Paul and George for not taking kindly to Yoko during the Beatles sessions (1968-9) although, in his own words ''Ringo was fine (with the situation)'' which is one of the reasons the two of them never fell out. I also think the 1970's was a hectic time with so much going on in all of their lives/careers. I'm sure Paul and George would have made it up properly with John at some point during the 1980's had fate not intervened.
In the Dec 3 1980 interview John did, with the BBC, he says he understands why Paul and George were tense around Yoko. If one of the others suddenly got involved with someone else, he too would've been pissed
It’s also worth mentioning that in ‘73 John, Ringo and George had collaborated in LA briefly to record “I am the Greatest” for the Ringo album... first and only time after the break up that three Beatles had recorded together... in You Never Give Me Your Money, upon hearing George’s arrival to the studio Doggett quotes John saying "Hell yes ... Tell him to get down here right away and help me finish [writing] this bridge." :-)
Good balanced analysis. To me the relationship between John and George always seemed a bit one sided, I couldn't imagine John turning up to play a bit of guitar on one of George's solo albums, indeed in later years he hardly figured on George's Beatle tracks... As for Paul and John, I think that whereas John is instinctively over negative, lashing out when he doesn't really mean it, Paul goes too far the other way, as if he's trying to slightly rewrite history to make things slightly rosier...
Thanks for sharing, I am fascinated by the John & Paul situation and had read all you present here apart from the January 1980 phone call. There is another snippet of a studio session where John calls Paul his brother. I think John loved Yoko but Yoko was way too protective to allow John to fully rekindle his relationship with Paul, and apparently George. I think John respected Yoko's stance but it slightly saddened him as well
Seems like John and Paul had a genuine opportunity for musical collaboration in early 75 when Paul invited John to join in him in recording in New Orleans (Venus and Mars). John was interested and excited to join Paul but then he reunited with Yoko and Yoko was pregnant and that ended that.
re: “last gasp” comment, in the context of what lennon was saying i took it as meaning paul’s last creative spurt as a beatle, not in general. then again i can only speculate john’s intention and he of course had said his fair share of harsh stuff about paul over the years. interesting and well researched video john, keep rocking
Maybe but that's not how it was interpreted by the press at the time and the US TV presenter actually asked Paul (Nov 1980) whether he thought he'd had his last gasp....very uncomfortable for Paul to answer and unfortunate that the remark was taken out of context and seized upon!
as always conflict sells! still, makes me feel warm inside that they were all on at least cordial terms before his tragic end. lennon had his issues like we all do but seems like he’d grown immensely as a person over the years. and where would the world be without that acid tongue
tiny moon I agree with John's comment! Paul McCartney reached his apex as a songwriter in 1969 ~ Get Back Let It Be The Long And Winding Road Teddy Boy Goodbye Come And Get It You Never Give Me Your Money Golden Slumbers Carry That Weight The End McCartney also had some works in progress - Every Night ~ My all~time favorite McCartney solo composition. Junk
I do, as well. Wasn't that interview (or at least that portion of it) about John's description/opinion of Beatles songs? If so, how could someone extend that comment to post-Beatles output?
George left John a phone message in 1980 after hearing John was resurfacing. John was aware of it but did not respond. Still upset at George's book. Source is Fred Seamans book.
I've always wondered about Lennon's seemingly obstinate stance regarding Yoko Ono. That Bangladesh story kind of crystallizes it. George Harrison was just being honest. Being in love...or whatever it was...is 1 thing. But constantly foisting a person....a poorly qualified person, upon a disinterested audience...incessantly, is another. Lennon wasn't a stupid man. At what point do you call it a day? He must have decided he would always care less about a project than getting their way regarding her presence. It's bananas.
And that foisting extended to the record buyer . When Double Fantasy came out I remember being pissed at the way it was sequenced so John track Yoko track John track Yoko track. He was clearly the only person who thought her musical talent was equal to his.
@@christopher9152 That's not what i mean. That's the obvious interpretation. And one could still have that at home if that's your thing. He had to be aware that no one wanted to hear her in a musical capacity. Remember the horror of that Chuck Berry clip? No matter what, one would assume he still cared about record sales...if not for himself purely, at least in comparison with the other 3 Beatles. Ramming her down the consumer's throat almost shows what can only be described as contempt for his audience. That's a trickier stance to understand. Unless he really didn't care. Idk. She should have stuck to art. Some of her stuff from the mid 60s was kinda cool. Its weird. To me she always seemed to put herself first to the detriment of his career. That's not so cool.
You are spot on about Liverpool telling your mates that you love them. I am a scouser who loves the banter that we have but you defo dont go round telling your mates that.
Isn't it well documented in Seaman's book how John & Yoko were incensed that Paul was going to stay in their favorite hotel suite in Tokyo on tour? So they made the "notorious" rat call to Japan's authorities? - Paul had tried to visit with them at the Dakota for a night of smoking pot, before flying off to Japan on tour, but was rebuffed. The book also states that they took great glee in Paul's jail predicament! - George and Paul had no "friendly " relationship with John & Yoko at the time of his murder. That's the truth!
As a follow up on the John/George thing highly recommended to watch the George interview with that good looking blonde British woman from the late 80s. Search on 1987 57th St. George talks about John was upset about the fact George didn’t credit him for writing one line of the song Taxman. And the girl asks did you talk to John about these types of things and in a classic George dark dry humor moment says “ no he was already dead.” I love when George scoffs at being characterized by John as running around worshipping him in his youth. He says basically, Well that’s what he thought! But he misread me. That was the problem with John and Paul, they were so busy being John and Paul they didn’t notice who else was around.
Boiler Room Drums George was always defensive about his view of John, just as John would jump on questions about Paul, which is why I intend to believe George was more in awe of John than he let on.
Guy Incognito Yes but even in that same interview I love George’s admission “I liked him very much, he was a groove ....” I think he even refers to him as an “angel” and a “small genius.” Lol. George wasn’t easily impressed by anyone ... not a bad quality.
Very fair analysis. Can't disagree with any of it. George was an equal with John by the time John died, not sure John actually felt that way about it. Interesting that he was definitely hurt by his exclusion in George's book. John was definitely a complicated individual. I'm sure by now they have made up in their next lives....
I do find it happy that Lennon and Ringo were only friends, something sweet within the troubling and tension filled relationships of Lennon, Ringo was a committed friend.
I think all of your research John is pretty accurate... my view taking into account all of the information available post Beatle split is that John was still the Boss Beatle in as much as the other 3 all visited him or sought him out...doesnt sound like he visited or made the first contact with any of the others...
There was a chance in ‘75 - Lennon was going to join Paul in New Orleans but then Yoko called.......... Mick Jagger tried to call John and Mae Pang told him he went back to Yoko. Jagger - “ Well I guess I’ve lost my friend again”
Hi John. I found your channel a few weeks ago and it's really helped through this lock down. I was wondering if you could help me as I've been trying to find a McCartney solo song I heard on TH-cam a while ago which is clearly about his early days with Lennon. It's a video shot in black and white and stars 2 black kids who live in the deep South and play guitar together in the fields and are clearly best friends. At the end Paul is in a room with a lot of other people playing guitar. I love the song and have spent an hour or so trying to find it.Thanks.
Lennon had made it up with the Beatles and of course with Paul before his death. Paul said he would have been absolutely devastated if they had not made amends before John's death. Lennon was also planning a return to England for an "extended stay". This would not have been permanent as he did not want to lose his USA citizenship. Lennon's family were aware of this and were already planning a "welcome home" celebration. John left the UK in 1971 and, of course, never got the chance to return.
John's Aunt Mimi also confirmed to an interviewer that John was supposed to come to England in 1981 to visit Mimi and other relatives. Mimi is said to have told him she'd prepare his old room in her house fro him. His last words to her in his last phone call to her was, "I can't wait to see you Mimi." There's an old video of that interview in TH-cam.
Cheers John- I’m a long time listener, first time commenter. Love your videos, they’ve introduced me to so many songs I’d never known, especially from the solo years. Hope all is well + staying safe in these crazy times
By coincidence, I just finished a book which deals with this subject, called “Come Together - Lennon & McCartney In The Seventies”, and I’m wondering if you’re familiar.. I’m not sure what to think about the book, it’s written in a rather meandering way. It draws heavily from May Pang especially, -also music-business people such as Jim Keltner, Roy Cicala, Allen Toussaint, Jack Douglass, as well as many well known authors of Beatles-related subject matter. It focuses quite a bit on Paul McCartney’s invitation for John to join him in New Orleans while he recorded the “Venus & Mars” album...at one point it speculates that the lyrics to the title track could be about Paul pondering Lennon’s possible arrival - apparently there was a conjunction between the two planets lining up with John’s zodiac sign, lol.. Another anecdote that I found intriguing concerns an account by Art Garfunkel. He claims that he was invited to a gathering at the Dakota after the Grammy awards, of which John had co-hosted with Paul Simon. Garfunkel claims that Lennon summoned him privately to a bedroom so that John could ask him what it was like reuniting with Simon on the “My Little Town” single. He told Art about Paul’s invitation, and to Garfunkel’s stated humble amazement, asked him for his advice... Well, as I said, I never know what to make of these things, but it made for an interesting read at certain points.. Nice video as always John..
I understand how George felt about John insisting on having Yoko come along and participate in everything he [John] was invited to by friends to do! For instance - The Rolling Stones Rock And Roll Circus ~ 1968. The Stones, in respect to Lennon, gave Yoko a spot in the show to showcase her obnoxious caterwauling! The Toronto Rock And Roll Revival ~ 1969 ~ Ono ruined John's "Cold Turkey", my favorite all~time version, with her incessant caterwauling! Lennon really should have had his head examined! In May Pang's book, 'Loving John' the meeting you mentioned in December,1974 was full of anger and bitterness from George by being abandoned by Lennon after the breakup. Here's a passage from the book "Loving John" by May Pang ~ "George said that, repeatedly in the past, he had sung what John wanted him to sing, said what John wanted him to say. Because John wanted it, George had gone along with the decision to go with "Allen Klein". In the nearly four years since, John had virtually ignored him, a fact that pained George deeply. George's voice grew even more harsh as he blasted John for his sudden appearance, as if out of nowhere, to offer an evening's worth of help. Yet again George said furiously, 'I did everything you said, but you weren't there.' The next day we saw George, and everything was fine. As soon as George saw John, he hugged and kissed him. 'Please forgive me,' he said. 'I wasn't feeling well last night. I didn't mean to get upset.'" George Harrison was the coolest!
raul macias I don t think George’s was the coolest. I think it was Ringo. I read somewhere that George was not as easy as we can think. I think he was jealous of the partnership Lennon Mac cartney. He knew paul since he was 11 or 12. After Paul met John .. and the two were very close. So for the third person it is not easy to have a seat between paul and John. Ringo never said anything about the other Three. PAUL as well never said anything about the three others. But John and George did.
During the 'Get Back' sessions, I always got the impression that George was disappointed in John pulling away from the group. Yoko was the easy blame for the situation and George was willing to direct his anger at Yoko instead of John. Paul is historically blamed for George's temporarily leaving the group, but behind the scenes George came across being more angry at John. John was distracted and seemed entirely uninterested in participating. He was even having Yoko answer his questions for him. Paul was annoyed by this but George seemed infuriated. Even during rehearsals there were a few instances where John wasn't focusing, especially when they worked on one of George's tracks. John would complain about having to learn his 'part'. George would tell John that he will simply find someone else to do the part whereupon John would suddenly clear up from his fog and tell George he will learn it. It didn't help that John was into heroin at that point either. On earlier albums, one gets the impression that they left the drugs out of the studio for the most part, but heroin is a whole other affair. It can be debilitating. At one time George mentioned how he and John had grown closer. They were even hanging out at parties and doing LSD together, etc. This stopped and George felt even more isolated.
hungfao all was made to blame PAUL due in parts to Mr Wenner of rolling stone magazine who was a fan of John Lennon and spit on Paul. For him and rolling stone magazine paul solo album and wings were not good. there is a good documentary name understanding Lennon Mac cartney who shows the things. I think it is in part 2 the break up than you see George left the group after a remark of John and when you see John and Yoko ono who was screaming and you see Paul keep calm and go on to play piano, and always answers to John very calm. It is just now that we see that fifty years after. Paul in 70 and 80 was considering the naughty boy who broke up the Beatles but it is not that. Yes he went to the court to end their partnerships but he did not want Klein to have his money. But I think that Yoko ono ´ s présence in the studio make a lot of problems , the Apple business, the nomination of Klein and the fact that they were not on the same way for music. Fortunately Ringo says that paul was a workaholic and if The Beatles had so more songs it is due a large part to PAUL.
I believe he'd made up with Paul & George & don't include Ringo in it as they were always buddys & i also truly believe if John hd lived they would have worked together again & maybe not the Beatles as was but would have guested in the 1980s & the biggest question is would they have reformed for Live Aid in July 1985.......
Regarding the Live Aid thing - I think not for a couple of reasons. 1 - they didn't control it and 2 - they were always protective of their legacy and a one-off live performance could have jeopardised that.
I'd be interested in seeing you talk about the other Beatles' relationships in the 70's. About all I know is that Paul and George each contributed a song to one of Ringo's albums (and John, too) and Paul, George and Ringo performed Sgt Pepper's at Eric Clapton and Patti (Harrison) Boyd's wedding.
Hi John, really enjoy the video and insights. Was wondering if you've watched the movie "Two of Us" based loosely on that 1976 meet up between paul and john, and what you thought of it?
I saw that Adot and, although it was of course fanciful, I thoroughly enjoyed it, watching it with my "I really hope that this is basically true" goggles on!
DJ Richard Skinner said Paul rang him & said John & Paul had planned to record together in London in early 1981. Paul has never confirmed this in interviews.
@@adamcollins915 You can find an audio interview here on youtube with Douglas saying that Paul and John had been "talking" during the final weeks of John's life.
His and Paul's relationship was the only one that went bad. Lennon worked with George and Ringo after the break up, Paul didn't work with another Beatle until 1980's. I do know Macca has apologized to Ringo, George. I don't think Lennon had anything to apologize for, he wanted out.
The final straw was about 1968 when Macca bought up shares of McLean music behind John's back. Trust broken. John n Paul were good with each other by 1974.
The overwhelming take from this entire clip is reconciliation. Momentary anger and human pride can ruin a life time of friendship and love. This is not how we want to go to our graves - alienated from people we truly love. Forgiveness is BIG with Jesus.
I must say John that while I consider myself a somewhat knowledgeable fan of The Beatles, I have learned so much since watching your channel. I appreciate your insight and historical knowledge. By chance, do you happen to be a fan of the Moody Blues, particularly their albums in the 60’s and 70’s.
Good call! I think that the Moodys have erroneously been consigned to some notional "good, but no cigar" bin but I remember my older brother bringing home the "On The Threshold of a Dream" album and we we're both blown away by it (folly of youth?). We subsequently and greedily consumed all of their albums up to and including "Seventh Sojourn". Real life stuff overtook us both after that but we bonded over those Threshold label albums for sure.
I recently purchased all the Moody Blues late 60s / early 70s albums on vinyl. Really excellent. I saw them in concert around 20 years ago and again, excellent. Very underrated band.
@@Robutube1 That and A Question of Balance are my favourites. I was lucky that I heard my brother's records around 1980 so I've known songs of theirs for a long while. The Beatles, The Kinks and The Moody Blues are the best British groups from back then I think.
Hi John, I was wondering on what you think of the Beatles' LOVE album crafted for the Cirque du Soleil show produced by George & Giles Martin in 2006. Me, and my father are big fans of your beatles and dylan videos keep up the good work much love from Wales 👍😊
I think to push their own schtick, message and sound they tried to distance themselves. Lets face it, they made a good move going solo before they started putting out redundancy. The made so much solo material and let many others in on being Beatle-Friends-Musicians ex. Klause Voorman, Elephants Memory, Wilbury's etc, it could take years to hear it all and yet understand it.
Always a fascinating subject! Have you ever read much about this theory that John and Paul had agreed to meet up in January '81 to potentially work together? Seems highly unlikely to me but we can dream....
Yeah the walking in and sitting down is a warm part of the USP. Don't drop it please John. You may think you just sit there and talk to cam but there is an atmosphere to your videos.
One of John's last comments - 'I haven't seen any of the Beatles for I don't know how long. And it really wouldn't make any difference to me if I saw them all tomorrow or never saw any of them again'.
@@jugibur2117 Might be the Playboy interview. One of his last 1980 interviews. He said he's not interested in what Paul, George, Ringo, Elton or Bowie are up to as he is too busy living his own life.
On the Understanding Lennon-McCartney TH-cam series, part 5, at the very end, a journalist says he talked to Paul the day Lennon died and said Paul told him they'd planned to meet in studio that month except the studio was unavailable and so they planned to do it in January. Any idea if this is true?
Good Vid John, Have you seen the Understanding Lennon/McCartney Vol 1 to 5 on the web, are very interesting and well put together, check these vids out, only thing they are pretty long, but worth a look, a lot of interviews and film I have never seen before. John & Paul were no matter the fall outs, always very very close to one another though out there lives, as these doco,s suggest. Another thing that's pretty sad is that they seemed pretty high though out the let it be sessions. so did this influence a lot of bad decision making and karma between the 4 of them as well as the Yoko thing, with addiction, and having a drug like dependency, which can and I suppose as we all know can lead to big problems. only a thought, not sure.
Rod Turner it is a wonderful documentary. And we see things different by seen these vids. We saw that even in 1969 they were close despite the tensions And we see that paul was very calm to bear with Yoko ´ s screaming. We saw as well that George was out not because of paul ´ s remarks but for John ´one. Wonderful documentary. To be seen
i have a feeling Heaton dislikes Harrison the most, i think George was the coolest and not afraid to speak his mind to Lennon, Lennon seemed weak by bringing Ono to the studio.
I think the early 70’s it was Paul v John, George and Ringo.... Ringo and Paul made up pretty fast (but their relationship since then has basically been a case of “smile for the camera’s”)... then John and Paul made up not long after, and this probably upset George, as George probably felt John was finally apprecaited him and saw him as a equal, but John just was not kind of guy (there is so many stories about the concert for Bangladesh, it’s hard who to believe.... Yoko says John was standing by her... but she also contradicts this a number of times by saying she went to the concert and was backstage and got on well with George... and you also have the famous “where were you when I needed you” argument from George to John)... I put the John and George relationship that John saw George as the little brother who mother forced him to hang around with, while George looked up/idolised John a little to much and right up the early 70’s went right out of his way to impress John, but John gave nothing back. John and Paul was a case of they only were at each other throats for a 12-15 month period in early 70’s, but made up very fast (people assume that they hated each other up to Johns death) but was a case both moved on from the Beatles pretty fast and that desire to get back together was not there
Lennon, in the 1980 Playboy interview said some nasty and vicious things about McCartney. Namely, that Paul tried to destroy some of his songs like Strawberry Fields Forever. When it came time to record an atmosphere of looseness and experimentation came up and Lennon felt that song was badly recorded. Its hardly true because people have said Lennon most of the time had no idea of what he wanted. It is also claimed in the Albert Goldman book that John and Yoko had Paul busted in Japan for pot possession while he was on tour in 1980. I don't think Lennon and McCartney were on good terms.*
He also said some nice things about Paul in the same interview which always gets overlooked. As for Goldman I don't take his views very seriously as he was an expert on rubbishing dead people to make a buck.
@@danielwhite8506 Because he probably never even heard something so utterly ridiculous. Where did you get such absolute nonsense from. I read an interview at the time where John was quite concerned that Paul might be getting mistreated during his stay with the Japanese authorities.
I was told there are photographs from the last time they were together in 76' Pretty sure Linda took those pictures and Paul hasn't decided to show them to us.
He had not with Paul. Paul sent John a good luck telegram while he was recording Double Fantasy. Yoko hid it in case John decided to invite Paul to the studio. John was quite rude to Paul in his 1980 Newsweek interview.
if you read all of John’s 1980 interviews he also said quite a few nice things about Paul too...read the Playboy book it really puts things into perspective i think
I’m sure there is a video of George on TH-cam where he says they hung out not long before his death, where George said John played him some cassettes of Indian music
It is interesting to speculate, that if at the time of Live Aid qnd John had lived, would they have re United for that? Would Geldof have persuaded them, like with Pink Floyd at Live 8. No one would have predicted that was possible.
There is an interview with George Harrison on TH-cam where he replies to Lennon's comments about being left out of his book. th-cam.com/video/4LyRSbf9J1Q/w-d-xo.html
There was no reason for Lennon "to made up with the other Beatles before his death". He wrote for Ringo and Harrison worked with Lennon on his first LP´s. It was only the Narcissistic Paul who stood alone. Harrison never worked with Paul...for a reason. Know your history!
You say that Ringo and John never really fell out. But didn't Ringo walk out of the Imagine sessions because of some of the nasty anti-Paul stuff from John and George?
I dont like Ono, and who does? I suspect she doesn't like herself either; but I can't help sympathize with a guy who, having made it to the alpha males' gang that can grab any chick they wish, chooses a crazy asian artist, with no venusian charms, black untamed bushy hair, and the weirdest personality on the face of MOTHER kingdom, over a six foot tall gorgeous american model or something! Ahahahahahaha! Funny and very endearing; check out how Yoko is pictured in the cracking pythonesque mockumentary "All You Need is Cash", and you'll get more insight into the matter 😂
Oh look, another one of those Paul is Dead goons. Even if there was evidence for that (there isn't), what possible motivation could they have for keeping such a massive secret for decades?
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My favourite George comment re: John Lennon:
Interviewer of George (about John): "He was no angel"
George: "He wasn't, but he was... as well."
Interviewer: "Was he?"
George: "Yeah."
Good to have picked up on that and made us aware of another classic George comment.
Wes Berkey Awwwww Geo.❤️💔
Yes i saw that Selina Scott interview with George too, in it he also said John was a good lad whom he liked very much who was a slight genius but on the other hand was just some guy...
They would have reunited at Ringo's wedding......
Re: his relationship with Paul before his passing, in an October 1980 interview with John at the Hit Factory he refers to Paul as his “dear one” and when asked if he was ever surprised by the material Paul brought to the band John remarks something along the lines of “No, how could you be surprised by your brother since you were 15 onwards.” I think suffice to say they had been on good terms during his passing compounded with Paul saying that they had a really pleasant last phone call speaking of baking bread and whatnot as you mentioned
I think John was the type of person who didn't look back that often and when he did it was almost too painful for him . I read Cynthia Lennon's 2 books about her experiences with John and she understood him almost as much as anyone could. She said ,as I remember, that when John ended something, he then moved on to the next thing. When his marriage to Cynthia ended, she was removed completely from the Beatles and their inner circle. John was a mercurial person and his thoughts about things and people could change from nostalgic to negative and back again. I think Yoko at times exercised too much control of him, but John's insecurity allowed this to happen.
John did indeed do that with painful events in his life. BUT, Julian was the one instance where he couldn't move on fully, he had a son to still deal with. I think that was the beginning of him realizing that he couldn't live that way for the rest of his life
These guys were mates and everything that was said or done was in the context of family disagreement magnified by their celebrity and their egos, and then refracted through an insatiable media and fandom. I can’t imagine having every word I said being dissected and then interpreted relentlessly by people who weren’t there. I don’t mean you, John Heaton. Relationships ebb and flow over time and I’m sure they would’ve reunited at some point in the ‘80s because they were mates first-something that each one of them acknowledged even when they were saying negative things about each other. In a way, I feel sorry for Paul. He knew he needed John to fully realize his musical genius, and since John’s death he’s been searching for that partner who’d approximate the chemistry he had with John. I’ve never gotten over John’s death. It’s been forty years of watching shadows on the wall.
I don't think anyone can get over his death.
Felipe M Because Lennon sang about what it meant to be human. He wore his heart on his sleeve and his solo albums from Plastic Ono Band are better than anything Pail put out. Don’t get me wrong, I love Paul. He was a melodic genius, but there are few songs he did as a solo that I keep going back to whereas I’m always revisiting John’s stuff.
@Felipe M
Well, Felipe, I'm forced to take umbrage with in that he wrote great songs on Revolver (1966) and Walrus was pretty good, too (1967). However, I do agree that I thought his stuff on Pepper royally sucked (sans Day in the Life, but even Paul contributed heavily) and all of his stuff sucked on the white album. But prior to his drug use (specifically heroin) his so gs are my favorites.
I like how you express the love you feel for these 4 guys.I myself feel privileged to have lived in the Beatles’ erea!!
Hey John, I saw Paul in concert last summer...fantastic concert...and it revived my interest in the Beatles...after all...I am 65 now...retired...with time to reflect...and i read a bio of Paul...and Mark Lewisohn's book Tune In...volume 1...and I found your videos...and I am really enjoying your insights...thanks!
Thanks John. One thing about John is that he never shied away from admitting his own flaws. His reflection on "off hand" comments is very astute.
Well said. The sad thing is John was actually growing up by the time he was shot.
Like brothers, every one of these guys through the ups & downs, happy & sad, frustrated & exhilarated, their unique & exclusive love for each other was always there throughout The Beatles & post Beatles. Their degree of how much they "liked" each other was an added roller coaster ride to their hurricane adventures. I'm convinced that whether they saw or spoke to each other & they were cool or not, the love was stapled & they thought about each other all the time.
John Lennon was a pretty sensitive guy and you could end up hurting him rather easily. I think the years since his assassination both Paul McCartney and Yoko Ono have come out and somewhat described John's personality as being hard on the outside but with a very soft center that tried throughout his life to protect, to protect himself from being hurt. I think that coupled with the fact that John Lennon changed his opinions as often as the rest of the world changes it's socks makes it incredibly hard to pin down exactly how he felt about his former band-mates circa early December of 1980. I think that from a professional perspective, he had regard for them all and would even go so far as to say that he was enthusiastic about Neil Aspinall's film project, "The Long And Winding Road" which eventually transformed into "The Beatles: Anthology" in the nineties. I think had events transpired differently, he would've agreed to partake in that film but to what extent any collaboration would've taken place professionally or otherwise is just up any degree of speculation.
Really enjoyed this one. Would love to hear more of you chatting about band history (Beatles and otherwise).
Great episode, John. It's hard to imagine John and Paul never making up if John had lived. I think they would have not only repaired the friendship but also written together again.
Another excellent topic for discussion full of your usual research and knowledge. Have you read Chris O'Dell's book Miss O'Dell? In it she covers in some detail John and George meeting up on his '74 tour. It was on December 15 at Nassau Coliseum and John with May Pang watched from the side of the stage, they went back to the hotel afterwards and Maureen Starkey was also there, John and George talked about the last time they were in the hotel on the Beatles tours (Plaza hotel), all comes across very amicable and friendly, no mention though of John possibly going on stage. I was surprised to read that May P was there as it can't have been long before John got back with Yoko.
Afternoon John another great look at a subject I’ve pondered at length, so very happy to hear your information and thoughts...take care - Lis
Never blamed Yoko for breaking up the Beatles but I agree with George…bad vibes. Heroin, isolation and bad business advice, not a good girlfriend/wife in my estimation
In my humble opinion John in the last 5 years of his life was so secretive due to him giving everything to his son Sean for some to say he said this & he said that is most probably wrong! Their love never died no matter what the press said & fair enough emotions were running high during the court cases but time was a healer & both Paul & George's tributes to their friend & brother is proof..... And yes I do believe 100% if John had lived they would have worked together again in some capacity not as the Beatles as such but something would have happened in solo albums/tours!! Another fantastic video Mr Heaton by the way 👍
I think we all had hoped they made up before John's death because of guilt the others may have felt. The lyrics George wrote in All Those Years Ago were heartfelt by George and he included Paul and Ringo in the recording of it. Paul of course wrote of John a few times and they met up. Ringo was the one they all could like because of their relationship with him was usually friendly. I loved hearing this video and it helps us process our mourning a little better.
There is an interview with George H. on youtube where he indicates that he was at the Dakota visiting John in '78, which I believe was just prior to the publication of his book that John was upset about. George mentioned in the interview that he was surprised that John had so many Indian music tapes and that this type of music was playing during his visit. He never thought John was into that kind of music that much.
Paul McCartney is on record that George and John never reconciled after 1971. He said I made my peace with John but George did not. That interview must be on TH-cam somewhere.
Yes but john would have softened his position had he lived…a lot of angst amongst the four post split and john pointed out in 1980 that what he felt one day might change with the next….unfortunately we’ll never know but nothing was final for sure
@@johnheaton5667 Didn't George say in an interview that he met John and Yoko at the Dakota sometime during the late '70s and mentioned that John had Indian music playing in the background? It surprised George because he thought that John never really cared for that type of music.
Interesting and well researched. All I have to say is that the edginess of Lennon throughout the 70s is what prevented the Beatles ever playing together as a foursome again and we have to thank him for that. That's the beauty about the Beatles, the fact there is a beginning and an end. The circle was complete and their story is all the better for it. Had they reformed even for one song, it would have spoilt the whole thing. It's sad that he died the way he did but his death sealed the Beatles story and in turn rekindled the world's interest in the band. As Mark Lewisohn remarked, the Beatles were a tired old thing by the end of the 70s, old fashioned and out of date. Only America kept them out of the moth balls through their Beatles fests but everywhere else they had become this charming old band from the 60s that the new generations (post punk) were happy to forget. Lennon's death made the other three (and Yoko) a second fortune and revived their careers and started the Beatles machine all over again which is at full steam today with all these anniversary box sets, films, re-packaged releases and incessant articles in the music press and on internet sites.
The Beatles music is timeless and will be popular in 200 years..
The Bangladesh concert was one catalyst but what was the final straw in George and John falling out was when John failed to show for the signing of the dissolution of the Beatles in 1974 in NY(he would sign in Disneyland a bit later)but instead send a balloon which prompted George to call John and say do not bother to show up for his concert performance that year.
I just heard the last gasp remark and watched the interview where Paul was asked about it. I took it at John saying it was Paul's last gasp of The Beatles before they broke up and he was very creative. I hope Paul listened to the interview.
Only to a degree, do I think Lennon made it up with Paul and George before his death. With John removing himself out of the spotlight for some five years it's difficult to assess, but I would say it was virtually impossible to become closer friends again through the 1970's with John being under the thumb of Yoko (whether he was raising a son or not). It (or she) certainly wouldn't have helped. Had John stayed with May Pang after 1974 or continued making music and been generally more accessible, things would have been a bit different. As it was, time naturally helped heal disagreements and festering resentments to be civil towards one another, but I still think 1980 was too close to the split. Deep down I believe John never properly forgave Paul and George for not taking kindly to Yoko during the Beatles sessions (1968-9) although, in his own words ''Ringo was fine (with the situation)'' which is one of the reasons the two of them never fell out. I also think the 1970's was a hectic time with so much going on in all of their lives/careers. I'm sure Paul and George would have made it up properly with John at some point during the 1980's had fate not intervened.
In the Dec 3 1980 interview John did, with the BBC, he says he understands why Paul and George were tense around Yoko. If one of the others suddenly got involved with someone else, he too would've been pissed
It’s also worth mentioning that in ‘73 John, Ringo and George had collaborated in LA briefly to record “I am the Greatest” for the Ringo album... first and only time after the break up that three Beatles had recorded together... in You Never Give Me Your Money, upon hearing George’s arrival to the studio Doggett quotes John saying "Hell yes ... Tell him to get down here right away and help me finish [writing] this bridge." :-)
Good balanced analysis. To me the relationship between John and George always seemed a bit one sided, I couldn't imagine John turning up to play a bit of guitar on one of George's solo albums, indeed in later years he hardly figured on George's Beatle tracks... As for Paul and John, I think that whereas John is instinctively over negative, lashing out when he doesn't really mean it, Paul goes too far the other way, as if he's trying to slightly rewrite history to make things slightly rosier...
Paul's trying to rewrite history to fill his pockets.
Thanks for sharing, I am fascinated by the John & Paul situation and had read all you present here apart from the January 1980 phone call. There is another snippet of a studio session where John calls Paul his brother. I think John loved Yoko but Yoko was way too protective to allow John to fully rekindle his relationship with Paul, and apparently George. I think John respected Yoko's stance but it slightly saddened him as well
They were all lifetime ‘brothers’ falling out now and again so who gives a toss now? 😒
Seems like John and Paul had a genuine opportunity for musical collaboration in early 75 when Paul invited John to join in him in recording in New Orleans (Venus and Mars). John was interested and excited to join Paul but then he reunited with Yoko and Yoko was pregnant and that ended that.
Yoko was a monster that had control over John Lennon.
re: “last gasp” comment, in the context of what lennon was saying i took it as meaning paul’s last creative spurt as a beatle, not in general. then again i can only speculate john’s intention and he of course had said his fair share of harsh stuff about paul over the years. interesting and well researched video john, keep rocking
Maybe but that's not how it was interpreted by the press at the time and the US TV presenter actually asked Paul (Nov 1980) whether he thought he'd had his last gasp....very uncomfortable for Paul to answer and unfortunate that the remark was taken out of context and seized upon!
as always conflict sells! still, makes me feel warm inside that they were all on at least cordial terms before his tragic end. lennon had his issues like we all do but seems like he’d grown immensely as a person over the years. and where would the world be without that acid tongue
tiny moon I agree with John's comment!
Paul McCartney reached his apex as a songwriter in 1969 ~
Get Back
Let It Be
The Long And Winding Road
Teddy Boy
Goodbye
Come And Get It
You Never Give Me Your Money
Golden Slumbers
Carry That Weight
The End
McCartney also had some works in progress -
Every Night ~ My all~time favorite McCartney solo composition.
Junk
I do, as well. Wasn't that interview (or at least that portion of it) about John's description/opinion of Beatles songs? If so, how could someone extend that comment to post-Beatles output?
Paul loves telling us how George hadn’t made up with John..and overstating how close him and John were at that time(I don’t believe him!)
George left John a phone message in 1980 after hearing John was resurfacing.
John was aware of it but did not respond. Still upset at George's book.
Source is Fred Seamans book.
I've always wondered about Lennon's seemingly obstinate stance regarding Yoko Ono. That Bangladesh story kind of crystallizes it. George Harrison was just being honest. Being in love...or whatever it was...is 1 thing. But constantly foisting a person....a poorly qualified person, upon a disinterested audience...incessantly, is another. Lennon wasn't a stupid man. At what point do you call it a day? He must have decided he would always care less about a project than getting their way regarding her presence. It's bananas.
And that foisting extended to the record buyer . When Double Fantasy came out I remember being pissed at the way it was sequenced so John track Yoko track John track Yoko track. He was clearly the only person who thought her musical talent was equal to his.
It is bananas. I'll never get it, either. To the other comment, I bought a CD player in 1989 and programmed her shit out.
She was a substitute mother figure and Lennon was thoroughly whipped. It really isn't that complicated.
@@Gardosunron I know. Old vinyl copies of those albums must be hilarious to look at. Worn. Pristine. Worn. Pristine. Etc.🙄
@@christopher9152 That's not what i mean. That's the obvious interpretation. And one could still have that at home if that's your thing. He had to be aware that no one wanted to hear her in a musical capacity. Remember the horror of that Chuck Berry clip? No matter what, one would assume he still cared about record sales...if not for himself purely, at least in comparison with the other 3 Beatles. Ramming her down the consumer's throat almost shows what can only be described as contempt for his audience. That's a trickier stance to understand. Unless he really didn't care. Idk. She should have stuck to art. Some of her stuff from the mid 60s was kinda cool. Its weird. To me she always seemed to put herself first to the detriment of his career. That's not so cool.
You are spot on about Liverpool telling your mates that you love them. I am a scouser who loves the banter that we have but you defo dont go round telling your mates that.
Isn't it well documented in Seaman's book how John & Yoko were incensed that Paul was going to stay in their favorite hotel suite in Tokyo on tour? So they made the "notorious" rat call to Japan's authorities? - Paul had tried to visit with them at the Dakota for a night of smoking pot, before flying off to Japan on tour, but was rebuffed. The book also states that they took great glee in Paul's jail predicament! - George and Paul had no "friendly " relationship with John & Yoko at the time of his murder. That's the truth!
As a follow up on the John/George thing highly recommended to watch the George interview with that good looking blonde British woman from the late 80s. Search on 1987 57th St. George talks about John was upset about the fact George didn’t credit him for writing one line of the song Taxman. And the girl asks did you talk to John about these types of things and in a classic George dark dry humor moment says “ no he was already dead.” I love when George scoffs at being characterized by John as running around worshipping him in his youth. He says basically, Well that’s what he thought! But he misread me. That was the problem with John and Paul, they were so busy being John and Paul they didn’t notice who else was around.
Boiler Room Drums George was always defensive about his view of John, just as John would jump on questions about Paul, which is why I intend to believe George was more in awe of John than he let on.
Guy Incognito Yes but even in that same interview I love George’s admission “I liked him very much, he was a groove ....” I think he even refers to him as an “angel” and a “small genius.” Lol. George wasn’t easily impressed by anyone ... not a bad quality.
Very fair analysis. Can't disagree with any of it. George was an equal with John by the time John died, not sure John actually felt that way about it. Interesting that he was definitely hurt by his exclusion in George's book. John was definitely a complicated individual. I'm sure by now they have made up in their next lives....
I do find it happy that Lennon and Ringo were only friends, something sweet within the troubling and tension filled relationships of Lennon, Ringo was a committed friend.
I think all of your research John is pretty accurate... my view taking into account all of the information available post Beatle split is that John was still the Boss Beatle in as much as the other 3 all visited him or sought him out...doesnt sound like he visited or made the first contact with any of the others...
Interesting. Even if he did, he's still the boss.
@Felipe M
You have a lot to say about the Beatles, little felupe. Guess you need a big mouth to accommodate your foot.
There was a chance in ‘75 - Lennon was going to join Paul in New Orleans but then Yoko called.......... Mick Jagger tried to call John and Mae Pang told him he went back to Yoko. Jagger - “ Well I guess I’ve lost my friend again”
Wouldn't surprise in the least if Yoko had something to do with Paul's arrest in Japan.
Hi John. I found your channel a few weeks ago and it's really helped through this lock down. I was wondering if you could help me as I've been trying to find a McCartney solo song I heard on TH-cam a while ago which is clearly about his early days with Lennon. It's a video shot in black and white and stars 2 black kids who live in the deep South and play guitar together in the fields and are clearly best friends. At the end Paul is in a room with a lot of other people playing guitar. I love the song and have spent an hour or so trying to find it.Thanks.
You’re thinking about the music video for ‘Early Days’.
Thanks very much for that.
Lennon had made it up with the Beatles and of course with Paul before his death. Paul said he would have been absolutely devastated if they had not made amends before John's death. Lennon was also planning a return to England for an "extended stay". This would not have been permanent as he did not want to lose his USA citizenship. Lennon's family were aware of this and were already planning a "welcome home" celebration. John left the UK in 1971 and, of course, never got the chance to return.
John's Aunt Mimi also confirmed to an interviewer that John was supposed to come to England in 1981 to visit Mimi and other relatives. Mimi is said to have told him she'd prepare his old room in her house fro him. His last words to her in his last phone call to her was, "I can't wait to see you Mimi." There's an old video of that interview in TH-cam.
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Cheers John- I’m a long time listener, first time commenter. Love your videos, they’ve introduced me to so many songs I’d never known, especially from the solo years. Hope all is well + staying safe in these crazy times
By coincidence, I just finished a book which deals with this subject, called “Come Together - Lennon & McCartney In The Seventies”, and I’m wondering if you’re familiar.. I’m not sure what to think about the book, it’s written in a rather meandering way. It draws heavily from May Pang especially, -also music-business people such as Jim Keltner, Roy Cicala, Allen Toussaint, Jack Douglass, as well as many well known authors of Beatles-related subject matter. It focuses quite a bit on Paul McCartney’s invitation for John to join him in New Orleans while he recorded the “Venus & Mars” album...at one point it speculates that the lyrics to the title track could be about Paul pondering Lennon’s possible arrival - apparently there was a conjunction between the two planets lining up with John’s zodiac sign, lol.. Another anecdote that I found intriguing concerns an account by Art Garfunkel. He claims that he was invited to a gathering at the Dakota after the Grammy awards, of which John had co-hosted with Paul Simon. Garfunkel claims that Lennon summoned him privately to a bedroom so that John could ask him what it was like reuniting with Simon on the “My Little Town” single. He told Art about Paul’s invitation, and to Garfunkel’s stated humble amazement, asked him for his advice... Well, as I said, I never know what to make of these things, but it made for an interesting read at certain points.. Nice video as always John..
Thanks Thomas...yes heard the Garfunkel story, interesting! Not come across the book.
I understand how George felt about John insisting on having Yoko come along and participate in everything he [John] was invited to by friends to do! For instance -
The Rolling Stones Rock And Roll Circus ~ 1968. The Stones, in respect to Lennon, gave Yoko a spot in the show to showcase her obnoxious caterwauling!
The Toronto Rock And Roll Revival ~ 1969 ~ Ono ruined John's "Cold Turkey", my favorite all~time version, with her incessant caterwauling! Lennon really should have had his head examined!
In May Pang's book, 'Loving John' the meeting you mentioned in December,1974 was full of anger and bitterness from George by being abandoned by Lennon after the breakup. Here's a passage from the book "Loving John" by May Pang ~
"George said that, repeatedly in the past, he had sung what John wanted him to sing, said what John wanted him to say. Because John wanted it, George had gone along with the decision to go with "Allen Klein". In the nearly four years since, John had virtually ignored him, a fact that pained George deeply. George's voice grew even more harsh as he blasted John for his sudden appearance, as if out of nowhere, to offer an evening's worth of help. Yet again George said furiously, 'I did everything you said, but you weren't there.' The next day we saw George, and everything was fine. As soon as George saw John, he hugged and kissed him. 'Please forgive me,' he said. 'I wasn't feeling well last night. I didn't mean to get upset.'"
George Harrison was the coolest!
raul macias I don t think George’s was the coolest. I think it was Ringo. I read somewhere that George was not as easy as we can think. I think he was jealous of the partnership Lennon Mac cartney. He knew paul since he was 11 or 12. After Paul met John .. and the two were very close. So for the third person it is not easy to have a seat between paul and John. Ringo never said anything about the other Three. PAUL as well never said anything about the three others. But John and George did.
During the 'Get Back' sessions, I always got the impression that George was disappointed in John pulling away from the group. Yoko was the easy blame for the situation and George was willing to direct his anger at Yoko instead of John. Paul is historically blamed for George's temporarily leaving the group, but behind the scenes George came across being more angry at John. John was distracted and seemed entirely uninterested in participating. He was even having Yoko answer his questions for him. Paul was annoyed by this but George seemed infuriated. Even during rehearsals there were a few instances where John wasn't focusing, especially when they worked on one of George's tracks. John would complain about having to learn his 'part'. George would tell John that he will simply find someone else to do the part whereupon John would suddenly clear up from his fog and tell George he will learn it. It didn't help that John was into heroin at that point either. On earlier albums, one gets the impression that they left the drugs out of the studio for the most part, but heroin is a whole other affair. It can be debilitating. At one time George mentioned how he and John had grown closer. They were even hanging out at parties and doing LSD together, etc. This stopped and George felt even more isolated.
hungfao all was made to blame PAUL due in parts to Mr Wenner of rolling stone magazine who was a fan of John Lennon and spit on Paul. For him and rolling stone magazine paul solo album and wings were not good. there is a good documentary name understanding Lennon Mac cartney who shows the things. I think it is in part 2 the break up than you see George left the group after a remark of John and when you see John and Yoko ono who was screaming and you see Paul keep calm and go on to play piano, and always answers to John very calm. It is just now that we see that fifty years after. Paul in 70 and 80 was considering the naughty boy who broke up the Beatles but it is not that. Yes he went to the court to end their partnerships but he did not want Klein to have his money. But I think that Yoko ono ´ s présence in the studio make a lot of problems , the Apple business, the nomination of Klein and the fact that they were not on the same way for music. Fortunately Ringo says that paul was a workaholic and if The Beatles had so more songs it is due a large part to PAUL.
According to producer Jack Douglas Paul talked with John over the phone,when John was at The Hit Factory studio in 1980.
Appreciated your video - but you may want to increase your volume a little bit - had to max out my volumes just to hear you. Thanks again for the info
I saw somewhere where the Ringo Plaza meeting was in Nov. ‘79. Do we know for sure it was ‘80?
Ringo has made it clear it was 1980, and there's a photo.
Great stuff - Very thought provoking.
I believe he'd made up with Paul & George & don't include Ringo in it as they were always buddys & i also truly believe if John hd lived they would have worked together again & maybe not the Beatles as was but would have guested in the 1980s & the biggest question is would they have reformed for Live Aid in July 1985.......
Regarding the Live Aid thing - I think not for a couple of reasons. 1 - they didn't control it and 2 - they were always protective of their legacy and a one-off live performance could have jeopardised that.
@@Robutube1 All about opinions......And this was mine i expect absolutely nobody to agree with!!
xtstevie The studio was already booked for John and Paul to reunite for Ringo’s album in January 1981 had John not been killed
What is your belief that he and George had made up based on .Did you watch this video ?
@@guyincognito5706 Yes, the details are in the cd booklet of Stop and Smell the Roses booklet.
I'd be interested in seeing you talk about the other Beatles' relationships in the 70's. About all I know is that Paul and George each contributed a song to one of Ringo's albums (and John, too) and Paul, George and Ringo performed Sgt Pepper's at Eric Clapton and Patti (Harrison) Boyd's wedding.
Thank you for that very moving account of four lads who were once close friends.
Excellent sir.
In April of 1976 I put Paul & Linda in a cab. They were headed to John & Yoko's.
Really? Can you give us a bit more?
Hi John, really enjoy the video and insights. Was wondering if you've watched the movie "Two of Us" based loosely on that 1976 meet up between paul and john, and what you thought of it?
I saw that Adot and, although it was of course fanciful, I thoroughly enjoyed it, watching it with my "I really hope that this is basically true" goggles on!
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Nice video John! Would you consider doing a top album review from The Who or the Kinks? Cheers!
DJ Richard Skinner said Paul rang him & said John & Paul had planned to record together in London in early 1981.
Paul has never confirmed this in interviews.
Jack Douglas has said the same thing.
@@SuperGogetem Never read or seen that.
@@adamcollins915 You can find an audio interview here on youtube with Douglas saying that Paul and John had been "talking" during the final weeks of John's life.
George.never.liked.yoko.and.hes.not.the.only.one.thats.why.he.didnot.let..her.perfom.at.the.concert.for.bangla.desh
George by adding John to the concert was getting rid of several other spots, and as it was Clapton and Badfinger did not have solo spots.
John was planning to reunite with the Beatles in 1981 over the Ringo album...He was also looking to write with Paul again...
His and Paul's relationship was the only one that went bad. Lennon worked with George and Ringo after the break up, Paul didn't work with another Beatle until 1980's. I do know Macca has apologized to Ringo, George. I don't think Lennon had anything to apologize for, he wanted out.
The final straw was about 1968 when Macca bought up shares of McLean music behind John's back. Trust broken. John n Paul were good with each other by 1974.
Paul worked with Ringo in ‘73 and ‘76. If you read the 1980 Playboy interview with John he talks about being a bit pissed off with George at the time.
Love to hear your comments on the relationship between George and Paul
The overwhelming take from this entire clip is reconciliation. Momentary anger and human pride can ruin a life time of friendship and love. This is not how we want to go to our graves - alienated from people we truly love. Forgiveness is BIG with Jesus.
Good stuff. Thank you !
I must say John that while I consider myself a somewhat knowledgeable fan of The Beatles, I have learned so much since watching your channel. I appreciate your insight and historical knowledge. By chance, do you happen to be a fan of the Moody Blues, particularly their albums in the 60’s and 70’s.
Good call! I think that the Moodys have erroneously been consigned to some notional "good, but no cigar" bin but I remember my older brother bringing home the "On The Threshold of a Dream" album and we we're both blown away by it (folly of youth?). We subsequently and greedily consumed all of their albums up to and including "Seventh Sojourn". Real life stuff overtook us both after that but we bonded over those Threshold label albums for sure.
Robutube1 I’d be interested in the relationship between Pinder and Edge.
I recently purchased all the Moody Blues late 60s / early 70s albums on vinyl. Really excellent. I saw them in concert around 20 years ago and again, excellent. Very underrated band.
@@Robutube1 That and A Question of Balance are my favourites. I was lucky that I heard my brother's records around 1980 so I've known songs of theirs for a long while. The Beatles, The Kinks and The Moody Blues are the best British groups from back then I think.
Hi John,
I was wondering on what you think of the Beatles' LOVE album crafted for the Cirque du Soleil show produced by George & Giles Martin in 2006.
Me, and my father are big fans of your beatles and dylan videos keep up the good work much love from Wales 👍😊
I think to push their own schtick, message and sound they tried to distance themselves. Lets face it, they made a good move going solo before they started putting out redundancy. The made so much solo material and let many others in on being Beatle-Friends-Musicians ex. Klause Voorman, Elephants Memory, Wilbury's etc, it could take years to hear it all and yet understand it.
Great video as usual,some very nice insights
Always a fascinating subject! Have you ever read much about this theory that John and Paul had agreed to meet up in January '81 to potentially work together? Seems highly unlikely to me but we can dream....
i.dont.think.john.and.paul.would.have.worked.together.again..if.it.was.left.to.yoko.ono
P.S. What's with the cold start to this video, I'm used to seeing you walking in and sitting down first before speaking 😂
He's mixing it up
Yeah the walking in and sitting down is a warm part of the USP. Don't drop it please John. You may think you just sit there and talk to cam but there is an atmosphere to your videos.
One of John's last comments - 'I haven't seen any of the Beatles for I don't know how long. And it really wouldn't make any difference to me if I saw them all tomorrow or never saw any of them again'.
Source?
@@jugibur2117 Might be the Playboy interview. One of his last 1980 interviews.
He said he's not interested in what Paul, George, Ringo, Elton or Bowie are up to as he is too busy living his own life.
On the Understanding Lennon-McCartney TH-cam series, part 5, at the very end, a journalist says he talked to Paul the day Lennon died and said Paul told him they'd planned to meet in studio that month except the studio was unavailable and so they planned to do it in January. Any idea if this is true?
Good Vid John, Have you seen the Understanding Lennon/McCartney Vol 1 to 5 on the web, are very interesting and well put together, check these vids out, only thing they are pretty long, but worth a look, a lot of interviews and film I have never seen before. John & Paul were no matter the fall outs, always very very close to one another though out there lives, as these doco,s suggest. Another thing that's pretty sad is that they seemed pretty high though out the let it be sessions. so did this influence a lot of bad decision making and karma between the 4 of them as well as the Yoko thing, with addiction, and having a drug like dependency, which can and I suppose as we all know can lead to big problems. only a thought, not sure.
Rod Turner I was just about to recommend that doc. Incredibly well-made
@@guyincognito5706 Thanks Guy, cheers.
Rod Turner I also highly recommend Understanding Lennon/McCartney. It is outstanding.
Rod Turner it is a wonderful documentary. And we see things different by seen these vids. We saw that even in 1969 they were close despite the tensions And we see that paul was very calm to bear with Yoko ´ s screaming. We saw as well that George was out not because of paul ´ s remarks but for John ´one. Wonderful documentary. To be seen
Great stuff. Very i interesting and informative
“Don’t mention the war, Basil.”
i have a feeling Heaton dislikes Harrison the most, i think George was the coolest and not afraid to speak his mind to Lennon, Lennon seemed weak by bringing Ono to the studio.
I think the early 70’s it was Paul v John, George and Ringo.... Ringo and Paul made up pretty fast (but their relationship since then has basically been a case of “smile for the camera’s”)... then John and Paul made up not long after, and this probably upset George, as George probably felt John was finally apprecaited him and saw him as a equal, but John just was not kind of guy (there is so many stories about the concert for Bangladesh, it’s hard who to believe.... Yoko says John was standing by her... but she also contradicts this a number of times by saying she went to the concert and was backstage and got on well with George... and you also have the famous “where were you when I needed you” argument from George to John)... I put the John and George relationship that John saw George as the little brother who mother forced him to hang around with, while George looked up/idolised John a little to much and right up the early 70’s went right out of his way to impress John, but John gave nothing back. John and Paul was a case of they only were at each other throats for a 12-15 month period in early 70’s, but made up very fast (people assume that they hated each other up to Johns death) but was a case both moved on from the Beatles pretty fast and that desire to get back together was not there
Interesting stuff. I wonder if the would have done Live Aid?
Lennon, in the 1980 Playboy interview said some nasty and vicious things about McCartney. Namely, that Paul tried to destroy some of his songs like Strawberry Fields Forever. When it came time to record an atmosphere of looseness and experimentation came up and Lennon felt that song was badly recorded. Its hardly true because people have said Lennon most of the time had no idea of what he wanted. It is also claimed in the Albert Goldman book that John and Yoko had Paul busted in Japan for pot possession while he was on tour in 1980. I don't think Lennon and McCartney were on good terms.*
He also said some nice things about Paul in the same interview which always gets overlooked. As for Goldman I don't take his views very seriously as he was an expert on rubbishing dead people to make a buck.
I don't think Paul has ever denied the allegation that John and Yoko had him set up in Japan.
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Because he probably never even heard something so utterly ridiculous.
Where did you get such absolute nonsense from. I read an interview at the time where John was quite concerned that Paul might be getting mistreated during his stay with the Japanese authorities.
The Albert Goldman book. "The Lives Of John Lennon." McCartney is well aware of the book and the allegations in it.
John, you didn't mention the famous "For Paul" cassette tapes. is this a myth, or real?
Hi.
I don't think so.
And for sure, I cannot imagine them writing/playing together again if John was not murdered.
I was told there are photographs from the last time they were together in 76' Pretty sure Linda took those pictures and Paul hasn't decided to show them to us.
Paul said him & John had phone chats after 1976. Doubtful but sounds better than no contact.
He had not with Paul.
Paul sent John a good luck telegram while he was recording Double Fantasy. Yoko hid it in case John decided to invite Paul to the studio.
John was quite rude to Paul in his 1980 Newsweek interview.
if you read all of John’s 1980 interviews he also said quite a few nice things about Paul too...read the Playboy book it really puts things into perspective i think
I’m sure there is a video of George on TH-cam where he says they hung out not long before his death, where George said John played him some cassettes of Indian music
You only have to watch his interview with Bob Harris to get the answer to this question
They say “time heals all wounds”, it’s a pity the ex Beatles didn’t get it...
Love one another ❤️
If only fate had protected John and got him out of New York in time. I guess life is full of "what ifs" but this one is particularly painful
Jack Cutler It is heartbreaking
never understood how Lennon didnt get his lights punched out
i have a feeling he would have settled for that though not sure why you say that
It is interesting to speculate, that if at the time of Live Aid qnd John had lived, would they have re United for that?
Would Geldof have persuaded them, like with Pink Floyd at Live 8.
No one would have predicted that was possible.
There is an interview with George Harrison on TH-cam where he replies to Lennon's comments about being left out of his book. th-cam.com/video/4LyRSbf9J1Q/w-d-xo.html
We all know he did and all was cool 😎 with them
subtitle please~ from Korea :)
There was no reason for Lennon "to made up with the other Beatles before his death". He wrote for Ringo and Harrison worked with Lennon on his first LP´s. It was only the Narcissistic Paul who stood alone. Harrison never worked with Paul...for a reason. Know your history!
You say that Ringo and John never really fell out. But didn't Ringo walk out of the Imagine sessions because of some of the nasty anti-Paul stuff from John and George?
Yes, but declining to participate that doesn't mean a falling out.
Fab stuff
Mr Monotone returns.
Sounds like he'd prefer to be anywhere else,but here!
I dont like Ono, and who does? I suspect she doesn't like herself either; but I can't help sympathize with a guy who, having made it to the alpha males' gang that can grab any chick they wish, chooses a crazy asian artist, with no venusian charms, black untamed bushy hair, and the weirdest personality on the face of MOTHER kingdom, over a six foot tall gorgeous american model or something! Ahahahahahaha! Funny and very endearing; check out how Yoko is pictured in the cracking pythonesque mockumentary "All You Need is Cash", and you'll get more insight into the matter 😂
The three Beatles never felt the same way towards Billy... it was a very complicated emotional situation.
Oh look, another one of those Paul is Dead goons. Even if there was evidence for that (there isn't), what possible motivation could they have for keeping such a massive secret for decades?