@@NewEdgeDesigns Yes there were a couple made by Coach Builder’s Limited. They had the contract to convert Eldorado’s back in the 90’s. I also love the looks of Mark VIIs, my dad had one. Great car.
I’m a huge Mark VIII fan. I was 21 when I bought my first one. I bought it because I considered it a muscle car and at 6’5 I wanted a larger car. It was quite the sleeper at the red lights.
The higher output version of the 4.6L V8 on the Lincoln Mark VIII was what was supposed to justify the significant price hike over the Thunderbird. Speaking of the T-bird, the SuperCoupe with the supercharged V6 and a manual transmission was far quicker than the low output 4.6L V8 and it's mandatory automatic transmission. Your last entry - the Mercury Marauder doesn't even belong in the group of "1990's Muscle Cars" as it wasn't introduced for sale until 2003 - a full 4 years after the end of the 90's.
Yeah the only reason I included the V8 and not the far superior engine was to fit that muscle car stereotype if that makes sense. And yeah, my mistake on the marauder, I just wanted to talk about it I guess😅
I might slide the Taurus SHO with a manual into that mix, albeit FWD (and whether it be the V6 or the V8 - the engines were Yamaha (Japanese) based). But otherwise, it was pretty American based and was an upgrade from a base Taurus. Thanks for the video.
Totally agree with you! I owned a first year 1989 Taurus SHO. It would out handle, and accelerate a BMW 535i, and the gas mileage was the same as the regular 3.0 equipped Taurus, with about 2-3 times the power. I owned both models, so I could extensively compare them. You could not the SHO with an automatic transmission, until the 1992 model year. Ford needed to develop a beefier auto trans that could handle the torque of the Yamaha modified 3.0 engine in the SHO.
Ford blew it by not equipping the SHO with LSD. Later for Automatics. Gen1/Gen2 SHOs are pretty reliable. All that said, I regret not getting a Maxima like I have now in my stable. It's easily the most reliable car I've ever owned
Garbage take on the T-Bird SC. The Buick Grand National proves you can have a muscle car with a boosted V6, and the SC had it. Also, the SC is the only car on this list to have a manual transmission
My guy, I really wish you had done a little more research on the Mark VIII. It's an interesting car. For example, the 32 valve engine that is found in the Ford Mustang Cobra of that era is based off the engine from the Mark VIII. The Mark had it first, and at the time, the Mark was producing more horsepower than the 5.0 Mustang, and it handled better. And without that engine, we wouldn't have the engine for the Marauder. Continental hump on the truck lid dates all the way back to the Mark II. It is the signature of the Mark series, not just something they added as an after thought. And, full fill fact, NASCAR tested the Mark VIII as a possible replacement for the Thunderbird. Because of it's design, it posted better lap times than every other car on the track. Unfortunately, Lincoln did not want their associate with NASCAR, so it never happened. That's just a few things I can remember off the top of head.
The Marauder was produced in 2003 and 2004. It came with a 4.6 DOHC V8 producing 300hp, not 330 as you stated. I know because I owned both a 2003 and 2004.
Owned a Mark VIII for 20 years. The car is stealth defined. I only got 1 speeding ticket in that car. Excellent ride, not bad handling for a bloated pig, plus 26 MPG highway.
My girl had a 95 T Bird with the 4.6, sweet ride until the trans inevitably started having issues lol that thing was quick too especially for only 205hp, everyone always focuses too much on the HP numbers but TQ is also very important....lol
My transmission went out on my 97 with the 4.6L V8. Wound up buying a rebuilt transmission from a Tccoa forums member and replaced it in my driveway. The Mustang power improvement package from the 99-04 GT fits with some modifications. I decided to do that when my intake manifold cracked, great time to do it all.
My dad had a 90s Thunderbird. Someone pulled out in front of him when they were not supposed to and he sent then spinning into a pole. Everyone was fine and my dads car was totally fine but the other guys car was ruined lol. There is still big dent in the pole to this day over 20 years later.
If you're being generous enough to include FWD cars, all of the supercharged 3800 cars should count. The Pontiac Grand Prix GTP most of all. The SC 3800 was the performance bargain of the time period and continues to have excellent aftermarket support. If you're young, the reason why FWD was common in that time period (80s 90s) is that it performs better in snow and other bad weather conditions. RWD only became viable again when traction and stability control were introduced. In the "muscle car era" you had to put snow chains on the rear tires and keep the speed under 30. Maybe not even that fast. I remember my parents doing it a couple times and it was awful.
Yeah man those are definitely great options, but I wanted to stick to the 90s. And if I recall only one car is FWD (the thunderbird) also many cars switched to FWD to be more fuel efficient during the gas crisis and also to follow government regulations
@@GreenHawkDrive There were many GM cars with the SC 3800 in the 90's - Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, Pontiac Bonneville SSEI, Oldsmobile LSS, Buick Regal GS, Buick Park Avenue Ultra, Buick Riviera. All are FWD. The Ford Thunderbird was RWD.
I adored my 96 v8 thunderbird and was extremely sad when i sold it. Theyre amazing comfy dailies and the 4.6 gets surprisingly mpg definitely underrated. Not to mention the insane noise and crackles the 2V 4.6 makes with just a muffler delete. I really want a 92-93 model with the 5.0 some day
Another thing that boosted the Impala SS's mystique was that one was used in the drive-by murder of The Notorious BIG. The car became infamous after that. It was on a 24hr entertainment news cycle for a while in 1997. I had a Black Cherry '96. I sure do miss it. Look up the one Master P had when time allows.
The Marauder shouldn't be on here, but it's the best of the bunch, IMO. Not sure where you came up with 5 mpg on them though. The DOHC 4.6 is pretty efficient and they are easily pulling 16-17 mpg city and lower to mid 20s highway. The Mark VIIIs were heavier, had the less efficient B-heads, and got the same of better fuel economy as well.
Just binge watch all your videos. Could you do one on 80s-90s German cars? As a car enthusiast I learn something new from your content about these classics
A full size Coupe with a torquey big inch V8 under the hood, rear wheel drive and a bit of an attitude. That is a muscle car. That said... solid list, even though, as you said... the Cadillac ETC (Eldorado) is a front wheel drive... I agree that I would consider it 90's muscle. If it was a RWD, I would have one in my garage.
Have to say, my 1990 Thunderbird SuperCoupe with 5 speed manual (bought new - owned for 4 years and 75,000 miles), was perhaps my favorite car I ever owned - certainly the best daily driver I have had. It was a far, far better car than the regular Thunderbird V8 in that era.
I had a Cadillac from 98 maybe 97 i can't remember but it was top of the line and let me tell you two things 1. It was like driving on a really fast cloud ☁️ and parked like a yacht 2. It made me give up on the thought of even owning a car until I bought a 89 Mitsubishi mighty max which was awesome
Mark 8's are still sick as he'll and those TBirds handled like they were on rails. 1993 and earlier you could get the 5.0 ho which wasn't much but was still a great first car
Hey owner of a 2 mk viiis only being 20yrs old just saying if you own one you start to fall in love with the look, looks like a snake, has a “cobra motor” not really but they are nice asf
The Mark VIII got a different and more powerful engine to distinguish it more from the T-Bird and justify the higher price tag. The unique more powerful engine is one reason to choose the Lincoln over the less expensive Ford. Same reason that the Northstar V8 engine was exclusive to Cadillac for a long time.
Just discovered this cat and I really like the content. Subscribed. I loved the video but I have to disagree with the title. I think about 4/5s of the cars on this list, like often lol.
A friend of mine had an Impala SS in the 90's. It was a boat but it had the right transmission suspension and engine to make it handle really well for such a big car.
Mark VIII was crucial, real fast, and you'd Never see it comin - that is why it look the way it did because they wanted people to think it was just a random older person's luxury car until we would pull up next to a mustang and smoke it
The Mark VIII did NOT share a platform! its the only car on the fn10 platform, it was modified from the mn12 platform, I'm sorry but I own a Mark VIII and it drives me nuts.
@@GreenHawkDrive It's a mention so that's good enough. I did see some POV featured and that's good some of them I think I know who the owners are/were. I think it's to the point where there might be some enthusiasts looking for someone's car to feature. Either way, well done on your part I do appreciate it.
@@GreenHawkDrive I hear you, and I'll bet 9 out of 10 of them don't have any content on their channels. I challenge people to their comments, they turn around deflect gas light I look at their channel and they have absolutely zero content. The world we live in.
I Had a 1996 Lincoln Mark VIII it was powerful and fast You made one mistake 1993 was the first year for the Mark VIII not 1994.The mercury marauder only had 302 horsepower.
I would have taken the Mercury Marauder it had more horsepower and torque than any of the other cars and I drove one of the Thunderbirds with the supercharged V6 in it and that b**** would get up and run running through that 5-speed transmission but I still would have wanted a powerhouse V8 in the car I can see why Ford fired the guy that came up with the idea
I'm from the 90s. Why were the mustands, Trans AM, Corvette, and Camero not listed on this list? Seems like you missed the better muscle cars of the time.
Oh no, THE MARK VIII IS NOT UGLY. WTF??? Do you have something against curvy coupes?? This car is absolutely stunning, and personally one of my favorite cars of the 90s. But I'm guessing, those who don't like the way it looks are more into broader, boxier style like, say, the modern day challenger. Which has the aerodynamics of a brick.
@@GreenHawkDrive I respect that, different people have different tastes. But admittedly, I'm biased when it comes to the Mark VIII, because that car is literally my favorite 90s car next to the Buick Riviera Supercharged.
The Mercury was for the popo wannabe, drag wannabe madmax wannabe mixed with video game alien invasion fighter wanna be....but....also had to go to work and Saran Wrap pallets.
That was never considered a muscle car in the 90's lol. It was an old mans car and slow regardless what engine was in it. All you had back then was the 5.0L's from Ford and the GM F bodies that were overlooked unless they had the 5.7L, which was rare and even those weren't very popular. Dodge had nothing until the Dakota R/T came out and it wasn't that good either. The second muscle car coming didn't happen until the retro mustang came back in 05, along with the camaro and challenger afterward and the HP wars that came with all of them.
@@neal6473 I spoke 100% truth, I lived it. My buddy had a 5.0L Tbird, it wasn't the H.O they put in the mustangs, car was slow. Would get spanked by a minivan.
Personally, I would take the Impala SS over the Marauder. To come out more than 5 years before and to offer so much during its time was truly impressive.
The Impala SS was great in its day but the Marauder took everything that was good about that and amplified it in a much tighter (not to mention more attractive!) package. Drove/tested both before buying and it was no contest. And I'm 'traditionally' a GM big car guy.
I watched the Doug DeMuro reviews of both cars back-to-back the other day, and my takeaway was that the SS was the more legendary performance car, but the Mercury was higher-quality, more refined, etc. Would you agree?
Good video, and I just subscribed to your channel 👍 Just a couple quick corrections and random info. The Mark VIII was actually built from the 1993-98 model years (I think you said 94-98), and the Mark VIII wasn't the first car to use the Ford modular engine design. The 4.6 "mod motor" debuted on the 1991 Lincoln Town Car. However, the Town Car used the SOHC/16V version of the 4.6. The Mark VIII WAS the first production car to have the 4.6 in the DOHC/32V form and featured aluminum blocks and heads. This was the engine that the 1996 Mustang Cobra was based on. Ford actually imported all the aluminum blocks used in the Mark VIII's from Italy. These Teksid blocks are known for their strength. The Cobras used the same block until around 1999/2000 or so when Ford started producing their own aluminum block. The Mark VIII came with a computer controlled air ride suspension that would automatically lower the car at highway speeds to improve handling and aerodynamics. Like the Thunderbird you also covered in this video, the Mark VIII had an independent rear suspension, but unlike the Thunderbird, the Mark VIII's differential housing, rear lower control arms, and driveshaft were all made of aluminum
T-Bird was never a 'muscle car'. Muscle Car is midsize. Pony car is smaller (Mustang, Camaro etc.). It's a 'personal luxury car' like Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, Toronado, etc. Most on your list are 'luxo-barges'
@@GreenHawkDrive No, this one is wrong too. The big cars of the 90's are equivalent to the mid-size cars of the muscle car era. My "midsize" 72 Charger is almost identical in exterior dimensions to my "luxo-barge" 97 Riviera. Which is as fast as the 71 R/T Charger, 0-60. The Riviera would blow it away in any other performance metric, except top end speed.
The Mark VIII was a bad ass car in the 90's. I've been a GM guy all my life and I lusted for one 30 years ago ever since FoMoCo released the LSC in the mid 80's. After GM killed the G-Body hot rods in favor of the POS W bodies (Thanks Roger Smith) Ford was the last stand for full size body on frame, RWD, V-8 cars. Cars like the T-Bird and Mark VIII fall into the catagory of hot rod luxury full size cars that were really hot from the late 50's to mid 80's. Cars like the Impala SS, Pontiac 2+2. Bonneville, Grand Prix, Chevy Montie Carlo, Olds Starfire, 4-4-2, Buick Skylark, Wildcat, Grand Sport, Grand National, Riviara Grand Sport, etc. For Gen-X car guys the Mark VIII was a cool car.
My first "nice" car was an '89 SC (initial year -- it won Motor Trend Car of the Year). I wanted a Mustang, but I'm too tall to fit. I got it in 1995 w/ 46K miles on it. The 5 speed made it an absolute BLAST to drive. The subtle badging also made it a sleeper -- most folks didn't know how fast you were: 0-60 in 6.0 seconds factory was pretty fast for an American "non-sports" car. Until my most recent car (2017 Lincoln MKZ 3.0 AWD), it was by far my favorite & fastest. Luckily only ONE moving violation with the SC, but I easily could have had many more...
Im looking for a V8 MN12, lol. had two supercharged Cougars one auto one manual... love the 3.8 SC but upkeep and parts now for em are getting difficult.
I was torn between the Impala SS and the Mercury Marauder back when I was a kid looking for his first car. Im glad I went the Impala route because Marauder parts fetch big $$$.
As a 90s guy. The Marauder has definitely become more appreciated but no one in the 90s really knew about it. The Impala SS was the one to have! Ice Cube in a All the Benjamin's!
Maurader and the Impala SS are two of the last real cool American Muscle cars big heavy and powerful. They scream 90s but still look cool today about the only other 90s . The New Edge Mustang and F bodies of the 90s especially the Pontiacs are cool but they are pony cars right ?
People love the Impala SS but a basic P71 will leave it in the dust. Ok maybe not in the dust but it will beat it. The Impala motor sounds better but the Vic rides better and is noticeably faster. Looks go to the Impala for sure. Also the Marauder was not a 90s car.
As someone who has owned most of these (not an actual impala but 94-96 wagons with same drivetrain) There’s some important bits (to me) that makes a difference on real world drivability and for me changes a lot about this list…. B-Body chevys are fucking boats…. MN12 thunderbirds and the Mark Viii have IRS….. they don’t have the power but they handle SOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER than the Impala. Not even in the same discussion honestly. El dorado shouldn’t even be mentioned not only because it was FWD but also because northstar engines are timebombs and completely unmodifiable…. A better choice would have been the Fleetwood Brougham because it is LITERALLY Cadillacs version of the Impala SS. They have the same drivetrain and are both B-Bodies. Never driven a maurader but I have driven crown Vic’s and they are very similar to thunderbirds in driving dynamics so I have to imagine a maurader would be a Great car. Another fun tidbit most people don’t know…. The Thunderbird was originally designed to compete against the corvette but it got changed so many times over the years and mustangs became so popular that ford was afraid to offer a car that out powered the mustang and that’s why it ended up being so crappy in the end.
Mark 8s are gorgeous, which is obviously subjective.. but if you grew up with them being around often, you most likely love them..
they are great machines, i agree
I love Mark VIIIs I have owned 4 in my life. I now have a 96 coupe and a 94 convertible.
@@1524mike a convertible?? Wow, I had a 98 and a 95 mark 8 LSC, Also a 92 & 86 mark 7..
@@NewEdgeDesigns Yes there were a couple made by Coach Builder’s Limited. They had the contract to convert Eldorado’s back in the 90’s. I also love the looks of Mark VIIs, my dad had one. Great car.
they also have the most sought after engine blocks for custom high hp builds
I’m a huge Mark VIII fan. I was 21 when I bought my first one. I bought it because I considered it a muscle car and at 6’5 I wanted a larger car. It was quite the sleeper at the red lights.
Amazing cars, really
The El Dorado was FWD since the 60s. Was Front Wheel Drive like the Riviera and Toronado
Early Rivieras were rear drive. Didn't go FWD until 80's
just sold our 70 Eldo 8.2L V8 500 cube 2 years ago, was fun to ignite the tires. ;)
@@hotpuppy1The Riviera went to FWD in 78 or 79 when it was finally moved to the same platform as the Toronado.
Rivs where RWD all the way until 78.
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The higher output version of the 4.6L V8 on the Lincoln Mark VIII was what was supposed to justify the significant price hike over the Thunderbird. Speaking of the T-bird, the SuperCoupe with the supercharged V6 and a manual transmission was far quicker than the low output 4.6L V8 and it's mandatory automatic transmission. Your last entry - the Mercury Marauder doesn't even belong in the group of "1990's Muscle Cars" as it wasn't introduced for sale until 2003 - a full 4 years after the end of the 90's.
Yeah the only reason I included the V8 and not the far superior engine was to
fit that muscle car stereotype if that makes sense. And yeah, my mistake on the marauder, I just wanted to talk about it I guess😅
I might slide the Taurus SHO with a manual into that mix, albeit FWD (and whether it be the V6 or the V8 - the engines were Yamaha (Japanese) based). But otherwise, it was pretty American based and was an upgrade from a base Taurus. Thanks for the video.
Totally agree with you! I owned a first year 1989 Taurus SHO. It would out handle, and accelerate a BMW 535i, and the gas mileage was the same as the regular 3.0 equipped Taurus, with about 2-3 times the power. I owned both models, so I could extensively compare them. You could not the SHO with an automatic transmission, until the 1992 model year. Ford needed to develop a beefier auto trans that could handle the torque of the Yamaha modified 3.0 engine in the SHO.
Ford blew it by not equipping the SHO with LSD. Later for Automatics. Gen1/Gen2 SHOs are pretty reliable. All that said, I regret not getting a Maxima like I have now in my stable. It's easily the most reliable car I've ever owned
those sho v6's were nasty, ford had the powerbands stunted because they can rev out way past the tachometer lol
Garbage take on the T-Bird SC. The Buick Grand National proves you can have a muscle car with a boosted V6, and the SC had it. Also, the SC is the only car on this list to have a manual transmission
Owned one, the sc was a piece of garbage
He's to young to understand
My guy, I really wish you had done a little more research on the Mark VIII. It's an interesting car. For example, the 32 valve engine that is found in the Ford Mustang Cobra of that era is based off the engine from the Mark VIII. The Mark had it first, and at the time, the Mark was producing more horsepower than the 5.0 Mustang, and it handled better. And without that engine, we wouldn't have the engine for the Marauder. Continental hump on the truck lid dates all the way back to the Mark II. It is the signature of the Mark series, not just something they added as an after thought. And, full fill fact, NASCAR tested the Mark VIII as a possible replacement for the Thunderbird. Because of it's design, it posted better lap times than every other car on the track. Unfortunately, Lincoln did not want their associate with NASCAR, so it never happened. That's just a few things I can remember off the top of head.
Thank you!! The Mark VIII is legendary and beautiful!!
I'm a MK VIII owner and I learned a few things from your post. Thank you for the updates. Cheers.
The Marauder was produced in 2003 and 2004. It came with a 4.6 DOHC V8 producing 300hp, not 330 as you stated. I know because I owned both a 2003 and 2004.
I thought he said 330 lb ft tq
Owned a Mark VIII for 20 years. The car is stealth defined. I only got 1 speeding ticket in that car. Excellent ride, not bad handling for a bloated pig, plus 26 MPG highway.
My girl had a 95 T Bird with the 4.6, sweet ride until the trans inevitably started having issues lol that thing was quick too especially for only 205hp, everyone always focuses too much on the HP numbers but TQ is also very important....lol
My transmission went out on my 97 with the 4.6L V8. Wound up buying a rebuilt transmission from a Tccoa forums member and replaced it in my driveway.
The Mustang power improvement package from the 99-04 GT fits with some modifications. I decided to do that when my intake manifold cracked, great time to do it all.
I have a 1997 with 206k miles and the original transmission. Still going strong.
My dad had a 90s Thunderbird. Someone pulled out in front of him when they were not supposed to and he sent then spinning into a pole. Everyone was fine and my dads car was totally fine but the other guys car was ruined lol. There is still big dent in the pole to this day over 20 years later.
Good god man😕
@@GreenHawkDrive The other guy pulled out when he was not supposed to.
Man😟
If you're being generous enough to include FWD cars, all of the supercharged 3800 cars should count. The Pontiac Grand Prix GTP most of all. The SC 3800 was the performance bargain of the time period and continues to have excellent aftermarket support.
If you're young, the reason why FWD was common in that time period (80s 90s) is that it performs better in snow and other bad weather conditions. RWD only became viable again when traction and stability control were introduced. In the "muscle car era" you had to put snow chains on the rear tires and keep the speed under 30. Maybe not even that fast. I remember my parents doing it a couple times and it was awful.
Yeah man those are definitely great options, but I wanted to stick to the 90s. And if I recall only one car is FWD (the thunderbird) also many cars switched to FWD to be more fuel efficient during the gas crisis and also to follow government regulations
@@GreenHawkDrive There were many GM cars with the SC 3800 in the 90's - Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, Pontiac Bonneville SSEI, Oldsmobile LSS, Buick Regal GS, Buick Park Avenue Ultra, Buick Riviera. All are FWD. The Ford Thunderbird was RWD.
I adored my 96 v8 thunderbird and was extremely sad when i sold it. Theyre amazing comfy dailies and the 4.6 gets surprisingly mpg definitely underrated. Not to mention the insane noise and crackles the 2V 4.6 makes with just a muffler delete. I really want a 92-93 model with the 5.0 some day
Another thing that boosted the Impala SS's mystique was that one was used in the drive-by murder of The Notorious BIG. The car became infamous after that. It was on a 24hr entertainment news cycle for a while in 1997. I had a Black Cherry '96. I sure do miss it. Look up the one Master P had when time allows.
The Marauder shouldn't be on here, but it's the best of the bunch, IMO. Not sure where you came up with 5 mpg on them though. The DOHC 4.6 is pretty efficient and they are easily pulling 16-17 mpg city and lower to mid 20s highway. The Mark VIIIs were heavier, had the less efficient B-heads, and got the same of better fuel economy as well.
Just binge watch all your videos. Could you do one on 80s-90s German cars? As a car enthusiast I learn something new from your content about these classics
i appreciate that man! definitely for the future, i need to branch off to other markets!
A full size Coupe with a torquey big inch V8 under the hood, rear wheel drive and a bit of an attitude. That is a muscle car.
That said... solid list, even though, as you said... the Cadillac ETC (Eldorado) is a front wheel drive... I agree that I would consider it 90's muscle.
If it was a RWD, I would have one in my garage.
Appreciate that man!
Love the looks of the Thunderbird!
The Mark 8 Killed the Lincoln 2 door segment Hey Ford The Lincoln buyer isn't a Taurus buyer Dah !
I miss my 91 T Bird Sport
She was a beauty 😍
Have to say, my 1990 Thunderbird SuperCoupe with 5 speed manual (bought new - owned for 4 years and 75,000 miles), was perhaps my favorite car I ever owned - certainly the best daily driver I have had. It was a far, far better car than the regular Thunderbird V8 in that era.
The Mark Viii is my dream car
Tony Kutchna - t-bird mn-12 project manager. Put the right stuff into the car - over budget Tony was fired. Too bad, Tony did a terrific job
My 88 T Bird had V 8.
The four door muscle cars shown in this video are my two favorites on the list.
Owning a 92 thunderbird sc I was waiting for this vid
Lincoln Mark VII stopped in 1992 and should have been included in this list. Loved that car.
I love the Chevy and Mercury, but I am a Lincoln Mark VIII man. That's been one of my favorite cars since it came out.
I had a Cadillac from 98 maybe 97 i can't remember but it was top of the line and let me tell you two things 1. It was like driving on a really fast cloud ☁️ and parked like a yacht
2. It made me give up on the thought of even owning a car until I bought a 89 Mitsubishi mighty max which was awesome
I actually liked the mark 8.
>Nobody bothered remembering
>Forgotten
The thinderbirds also came withba 5.0. My brother had one
Mark 8's are still sick as he'll and those TBirds handled like they were on rails. 1993 and earlier you could get the 5.0 ho which wasn't much but was still a great first car
chevy should do another throw back version of the impala
To this day I still want a Mark VIII. That and an SC400.
5:07 72 Chevelle Malibu: Am I a Joke to you?!!
Hey owner of a 2 mk viiis only being 20yrs old just saying if you own one you start to fall in love with the look, looks like a snake, has a “cobra motor” not really but they are nice asf
The Mark VIII got a different and more powerful engine to distinguish it more from the T-Bird and justify the higher price tag. The unique more powerful engine is one reason to choose the Lincoln over the less expensive Ford. Same reason that the Northstar V8 engine was exclusive to Cadillac for a long time.
Just discovered this cat and I really like the content. Subscribed. I loved the video but I have to disagree with the title. I think about 4/5s of the cars on this list, like often lol.
Thank you!
Marauder i not a 90s car. Mark VII has the Cobra 4.6.
CADILLAC ELDORADO FROM MIDTOWN MADNESS . HANDLING LIMKE BOAT IN CORNERS
do a 4th gen F body vid if you have not already
Why not the Cougar? Especially the last one with the 4 cam 4.6?
We had a sheriff that drove a marked Marauder.
Holy crap…
@@GreenHawkDrive Yeah it made a really awesome marked cop car 🚨.
Keep uploading you'll get there soon! you make great content
I really appreciate the motivation:)
Would the Mark Vii count since it's production ended in 1992.
Oh man good video
Appreciate it!
A friend of mine had an Impala SS in the 90's. It was a boat but it had the right transmission suspension and engine to make it handle really well for such a big car.
Why is the marauder on this list when it was not made in the 90s
I commented the same thing. He should have had the V8 Mercury Cougar XR7 listed instead.
I had a Mark 8 with that exhaust and I Hated that car. So much drone, it was miserable to drive. It would rattle your head.
My pappy had a mercury cougar xr7 turbo
Fact the caddy was front wheel drive
Mark VIII was crucial, real fast, and you'd Never see it comin - that is why it look the way it did because they wanted people to think it was just a random older person's luxury car until we would pull up next to a mustang and smoke it
The last part of the definition is it has to be a 2 door
What about the Chevy chevelle 4 door?
They had a supercharged mark 8.
The Mark VIII did NOT share a platform! its the only car on the fn10 platform, it was modified from the mn12 platform, I'm sorry but I own a Mark VIII and it drives me nuts.
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🙋 found it, Thunderbird SC let's roll it.
It’s one of my earlier videos so it’s not the best😅
@@GreenHawkDrive It's a mention so that's good enough. I did see some POV featured and that's good some of them I think I know who the owners are/were. I think it's to the point where there might be some enthusiasts looking for someone's car to feature. Either way, well done on your part I do appreciate it.
@@JSFGuy Appreciate the positive feedback man. A lot of the people on here are pretty condescending😂
@@GreenHawkDrive I hear you, and I'll bet 9 out of 10 of them don't have any content on their channels. I challenge people to their comments, they turn around deflect gas light I look at their channel and they have absolutely zero content. The world we live in.
Muscle cars are also rear wheel drive only, unlike the Cadillac
I Had a 1996 Lincoln Mark VIII it was powerful and fast You made one mistake 1993 was the first year for the Mark VIII not 1994.The mercury marauder only had 302 horsepower.
I would have taken the Mercury Marauder it had more horsepower and torque than any of the other cars and I drove one of the Thunderbirds with the supercharged V6 in it and that b**** would get up and run running through that 5-speed transmission but I still would have wanted a powerhouse V8 in the car I can see why Ford fired the guy that came up with the idea
The thumbnail is literally what my thunderbird looked like 😢
man, beautiful car!
I'm from the 90s. Why were the mustands, Trans AM, Corvette, and Camero not listed on this list? Seems like you missed the better muscle cars of the time.
The title says “forgotten” 😅
Mark viii was tested for nascar.
thunerbird b tier
Marauder is" thee one "...
lol..its like you broke all your rules for what a muscle car is. 4 doors, front wheel drive.
lol it’s like I addressed it in the beginning
😉 💯 percent correct 👍.
Oh no, THE MARK VIII IS NOT UGLY. WTF??? Do you have something against curvy coupes?? This car is absolutely stunning, and personally one of my favorite cars of the 90s. But I'm guessing, those who don't like the way it looks are more into broader, boxier style like, say, the modern day challenger. Which has the aerodynamics of a brick.
As months went by since that video, I don’t think it’s ugly but I also don’t think it’s all that attractive.
@@GreenHawkDrive I respect that, different people have different tastes. But admittedly, I'm biased when it comes to the Mark VIII, because that car is literally my favorite 90s car next to the Buick Riviera Supercharged.
Those Riviera’s were awesome man!
Car wizard haha
My parents had a 94 mark 8. Tha car was baaad!!
marauder is such a beast
Impala or marauder.
Impala for the win 🏁 😉 👍 💯.
Maraduder
Wow, you put the Impala on the A part of your grid? I may need to unsubscribe now
To be fair none of these cars are above b tier and none are muscle cars.
Okay Forrest Gump.
The Mercury was for the popo wannabe, drag wannabe madmax wannabe mixed with video game alien invasion fighter wanna be....but....also had to go to work and Saran Wrap pallets.
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The 94 to 96 Impala SS cars in the 1990's 🏎️ 🏁 it was considered the 90's hellcats 😉 💯.
That was never considered a muscle car in the 90's lol. It was an old mans car and slow regardless what engine was in it. All you had back then was the 5.0L's from Ford and the GM F bodies that were overlooked unless they had the 5.7L, which was rare and even those weren't very popular. Dodge had nothing until the Dakota R/T came out and it wasn't that good either. The second muscle car coming didn't happen until the retro mustang came back in 05, along with the camaro and challenger afterward and the HP wars that came with all of them.
Okay baby boomers 😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣 whatever you say sir ☺️.
@@neal6473 I spoke 100% truth, I lived it. My buddy had a 5.0L Tbird, it wasn't the H.O they put in the mustangs, car was slow. Would get spanked by a minivan.
Garbage list
Appreciate it man!
Not the SS car sir 💯.
The Impala SS has the same engine and trans as the Caprice it's based off of so technically the Caprice is a muscle car
Personally, I would take the Impala SS over the Marauder. To come out more than 5 years before and to offer so much during its time was truly impressive.
The Mercury Marauder😊😊😊
The Impala SS was great in its day but the Marauder took everything that was good about that and amplified it in a much tighter (not to mention more attractive!) package. Drove/tested both before buying and it was no contest. And I'm 'traditionally' a GM big car guy.
I watched the Doug DeMuro reviews of both cars back-to-back the other day, and my takeaway was that the SS was the more legendary performance car, but the Mercury was higher-quality, more refined, etc. Would you agree?
Good video, and I just subscribed to your channel 👍 Just a couple quick corrections and random info. The Mark VIII was actually built from the 1993-98 model years (I think you said 94-98), and the Mark VIII wasn't the first car to use the Ford modular engine design. The 4.6 "mod motor" debuted on the 1991 Lincoln Town Car. However, the Town Car used the SOHC/16V version of the 4.6. The Mark VIII WAS the first production car to have the 4.6 in the DOHC/32V form and featured aluminum blocks and heads. This was the engine that the 1996 Mustang Cobra was based on. Ford actually imported all the aluminum blocks used in the Mark VIII's from Italy. These Teksid blocks are known for their strength. The Cobras used the same block until around 1999/2000 or so when Ford started producing their own aluminum block. The Mark VIII came with a computer controlled air ride suspension that would automatically lower the car at highway speeds to improve handling and aerodynamics. Like the Thunderbird you also covered in this video, the Mark VIII had an independent rear suspension, but unlike the Thunderbird, the Mark VIII's differential housing, rear lower control arms, and driveshaft were all made of aluminum
T-Bird was never a 'muscle car'. Muscle Car is midsize. Pony car is smaller (Mustang, Camaro etc.). It's a 'personal luxury car' like Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, Toronado, etc. Most on your list are 'luxo-barges'
You are absolutely right and that’s why I addressed that in the beginning.
@@GreenHawkDrive No, this one is wrong too. The big cars of the 90's are equivalent to the mid-size cars of the muscle car era. My "midsize" 72 Charger is almost identical in exterior dimensions to my "luxo-barge" 97 Riviera. Which is as fast as the 71 R/T Charger, 0-60. The Riviera would blow it away in any other performance metric, except top end speed.
@@jrcars7017 Gotta critique everything man… We all make mistakes, right?
Marauder isn’t from the 90s
The Mark VIII was a bad ass car in the 90's. I've been a GM guy all my life and I lusted for one 30 years ago ever since FoMoCo released the LSC in the mid 80's. After GM killed the G-Body hot rods in favor of the POS W bodies (Thanks Roger Smith) Ford was the last stand for full size body on frame, RWD, V-8 cars.
Cars like the T-Bird and Mark VIII fall into the catagory of hot rod luxury full size cars that were really hot from the late 50's to mid 80's. Cars like the Impala SS, Pontiac 2+2. Bonneville, Grand Prix, Chevy Montie Carlo, Olds Starfire, 4-4-2, Buick Skylark, Wildcat, Grand Sport, Grand National, Riviara Grand Sport, etc.
For Gen-X car guys the Mark VIII was a cool car.
had a markVIII, was a
great car
My first "nice" car was an '89 SC (initial year -- it won Motor Trend Car of the Year). I wanted a Mustang, but I'm too tall to fit. I got it in 1995 w/ 46K miles on it. The 5 speed made it an absolute BLAST to drive. The subtle badging also made it a sleeper -- most folks didn't know how fast you were: 0-60 in 6.0 seconds factory was pretty fast for an American "non-sports" car. Until my most recent car (2017 Lincoln MKZ 3.0 AWD), it was by far my favorite & fastest. Luckily only ONE moving violation with the SC, but I easily could have had many more...
I miss my 93 thunderbird it was the sc v6
Im looking for a V8 MN12, lol. had two supercharged Cougars one auto one manual... love the 3.8 SC but upkeep and parts now for em are getting difficult.
Maurder is awesome. Buick Grand National is S tier
I was torn between the Impala SS and the Mercury Marauder back when I was a kid looking for his first car. Im glad I went the Impala route because Marauder parts fetch big $$$.
As a 90s guy. The Marauder has definitely become more appreciated but no one in the 90s really knew about it. The Impala SS was the one to have! Ice Cube in a All the Benjamin's!
I was made an offer I couldn’t refuse on mine and I don’t regret selling it at all……I got tired of people talking to me about it.
It's sort of hard for anyone in the 90s to have known about the 2003-2004 Mercury Marauder.
You forgot 1995 Mercury, Cougar.
Maurader and the Impala SS are two of the last real cool American Muscle cars big heavy and powerful. They scream 90s but still look cool today about the only other 90s . The New Edge Mustang and F bodies of the 90s especially the Pontiacs are cool but they are pony cars right ?
I love the MK 8 looks stunning.
It’s so weird but it’s a cool weird.
People love the Impala SS but a basic P71 will leave it in the dust.
Ok maybe not in the dust but it will beat it. The Impala motor sounds better but the Vic rides better and is noticeably faster. Looks go to the Impala for sure.
Also the Marauder was not a 90s car.
I’d definitely have the Lincoln and the merc.
for sure man!
badass pair, I agree
Mercury Marauder is ineligible for this list.
It gets walked by V6 Honda Odysseys in the quarter mile.
As someone who has owned most of these (not an actual impala but 94-96 wagons with same drivetrain)
There’s some important bits (to me) that makes a difference on real world drivability and for me changes a lot about this list….
B-Body chevys are fucking boats…. MN12 thunderbirds and the Mark Viii have IRS….. they don’t have the power but they handle SOOOOOOO MUCH BETTER than the Impala. Not even in the same discussion honestly.
El dorado shouldn’t even be mentioned not only because it was FWD but also because northstar engines are timebombs and completely unmodifiable…. A better choice would have been the Fleetwood Brougham because it is LITERALLY Cadillacs version of the Impala SS. They have the same drivetrain and are both B-Bodies.
Never driven a maurader but I have driven crown Vic’s and they are very similar to thunderbirds in driving dynamics so I have to imagine a maurader would be a Great car.
Another fun tidbit most people don’t know…. The Thunderbird was originally designed to compete against the corvette but it got changed so many times over the years and mustangs became so popular that ford was afraid to offer a car that out powered the mustang and that’s why it ended up being so crappy in the end.
I appreciate you sharing all of this information. I’m a young enthusiast and being able to learn more and expand my knowledge on cars helps a lot.
Mark 8 has 290hp 30 more hp than an impala SS..
The 1994 through 1996 Chevy Impala SS.... that's my favorite 😊😊😊
I had a 96 mark viii and I loved that car! It moved for being so big and heavy. I say it’s definitely a muscle car