Disappearance of a 50.000 Egyptian Army | Olaf Kaper | TEDxEde
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- Ever heard the story about the Persian king Cambyses who sent his army of 50,000 men into the desert and they never came back? They supposedly just disappeared. This is one of the great mysteries which Olaf has solved.
Olaf Kaper is professor in Egyptology at the university of Leiden. He forms part of an international excavation team in the Dakhla Oasis in the Western Desert of Egypt, and he is reconstructing the history of that area and the temples of the ancient Egyptian religion.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
I'm glad to hear an actual scientist conduct a TED talk. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy all the inspirational stuff, but hearing an actual scientist deeply involved in his work still makes my heart beat faster. Ty for uploading.
Scientist... Pffff...
He said Egypt is 5000 years old. It isn't.
Hero worship.
Good for you.
@letmeoff6447 you Egypt is not 5000 years old. It is much much older than that
The fact that TED lets pseudoarchaelogists like Graham Hancock conduct speeches diminishes the work of the real scientists who take time out to give these talks. Google Graham Hancock and look at his controversies and ask yourself why they would let this charlatan lecture.
I studied Egyptology from many, very learned professors at Uppsala Univeristy (but only after I had retired from a 40 year career of teaching). I have travelled to Luxor a couple of times and travelled the desert between the Red Sea and Luxor. I would have LOVED to know of the possibility of an expedition to the western desert. He is living my dream.
Is this the army that is currently found at the bottom of the Red Sea? The ones that tried to kill the Jews as they escaped Egypt
@@trying3841 “currently found”? You must know something no one else does.
@@MrBcuzbcuz :: the Red Sea was low enough at this time of the season that the exodus was successful….and then flooded extinguishing the pursuers…..is this close to fact or can you clarify the event ?
So this is not about The Disappearance of an Egyptian Army that was 50000 strong. It's about The Disappearance of a Persian army that was 50000 strong.
Click Bait !!!
well observed but I would add that's this is about how awesome this guy thinks he is.
Cambyses did rule over Egypt too, as Pharaoh. Egypt was not absorbed into the Persian Empire, he ruled Egypt under a separate title.
this is only an "x" talk.
It had nothing to do with Ancient Egypt. Ancient Egypt was already a satrap (client state) of the Achaemenid Empire during this period. Cambyses II merely aspired to extend his empire by dwelling deeper into Africa's interior by trying to conquer Kush. Herodotus, a Greek historian explained this over 2,400 years ago but modern historians did not believe his story due to the lack of evidence.
Thank you for the information and bringing it home to follow one's passion!
This was a very heart felt speech...I could here the passion he has fir the field he has chosen to Persue...He has a gentle heart and Spitit about him genuine..And teaches us all how take the time upon silent relflexiion we can figure things out with a clearer frame of mind and change stories that need to be changed and look Ed at from a different perspective 😊
Tell me English is not your native language.
@@brandonmusick77 if the message comes through does it matter... 🤔
@MrJA Agreed, but it's quite unclear at the end & that can keep the message from coming through
Great speech, thank you for sharing
As a student of the Biblical book of Daniel, and a student of history, this story has intrigued me. It ties up some loose ends while introducing us to a new, very interesting historical figure.
An informative video, amazing!!:)
Great presentation. Thank you.
This happened to me recently. I ordered a DVD on amazon but it never arrived. Just disappeared
It’s probably with all of the visuals we didn’t get to see in this video
@@hauntedhose LMAO saw that and I searched youtube with Cambyses lost army...still took me here though
oops replied the wrong person
thats why amazon building temples everywhere you look
DUUH.
A fact about the duration of the ancient Egyptian empire that amazed me when I first heard it is that the reign of Cleopatra, the last Pharaoh, is closer to today than to the start of the Egyptian empire.
Inspiring to young folks setting out on their journeys in life. Ive followed my passion too..its a blessing in life
Nou
I think he did very well with English. It's obviously not his native language and I'm sure he would present a smoother talk in his native tongue. I found him charming
99% of TED talks are academics who have nothing to say and are trying to cultivate a niche, this is one of them. However, now and again a TED talk comes along that leaves you in awe, this is not one of them.
I worked in archeological excavations when I was a student. I was told sand has a high portion of silica. Body's decompose in a few years in sand.
Wonderful story. Thank you for posting!
Excellent!
We have a lot of Mamluks that have not been discovered yet. Thank you for shaking the information. I am from Egypt
They ran into 300 Spartans.
That's so good! There would be waste, Maybe the Spartans were disguised as a sandstone ???
Source's because that's not true
Actually it was 303
Haha
Spartans had not come out of their caves!!!
I've had a few boyfriend's who suddenly disappeared, no calls, no letters or email's i thought they had gone off me never thought until watching this that a bloody sandstorm got them.
"ghosting" is over 5.000 yrs young
@Wuotans Krieger and another 0
Lmao...
Maybe something wrong with you 🙄
What is a letter? Call? You must mean a text.
Loved this! Thank you
Your name reminds me of my young times when I would eat cinnamon by itself for my own tasting pleasure
I could be happy the rest of my life..
With a cinnamon girl. 😏
I loved the pause when he said "to me (pause) a scientists " priceless
Follow your passion ,well said
Thank you. On a philosophical as well as factual level, that moved me.
Dave Box yes i pitty the poor Guy with no content!
So are we saying what happened in Dakhla Oasis is going to stay in Dakhla Oasis?
Vegas baby...Vegas.
No, but it was SUPPOSED TO.
I read Olaf as Loaf and 50.000 as 50,000 and went through this whole thing dissapointed i didnt learn about 50,000 year old Egyptian bread..
Egypt wasn't always a desert. Not sure exactly when but scientists are almost certain Egypt was a lush rainforest in the not too distant past.
Parts of Egypt were lusher than they are now. Desertification is a thing. What is your point?
good job
This only proves what I've learned from reading Herodotus' work: Take it with a grain of salt, or in this case a grain of sand.
شكرا الى من قام بالترجمة الى اللغة العربية . رائعة جدا .
Jolly good - THANKS............... cheers
Fantastic
They were crossing the Red Sea to catch up with Israel.
Bob Ski somebody knows the truth.
Research Ron Wyatt for Sodom Gamoriah
Research muddfosil university on you tube for the giants of renown.
Think the accurate translation was Reed River.
It was a common mistranslation.
@@KalRandom No it was in the Gulf of Aqaba, an extension of the Red Sea.
Google maps Arabia. Split rock of Moses moses camp
@B B I don't understand your question Bebe tell me more about what you see
So, there's still no sign of this battle. Not a word about the fact that an Italian expedition have found an army in 1996 (studied until 2009), together persian artifacts. Would that spoil the "mistery" perhaps? Too bad.
have you got any references to share ?
Wow, we're back at the start!
His total breathless pauses are agonising.
Fantastic. I fell asleep immediately. No more restless nights!
The Egyptian army followed their passion.
It could have been interesting, and was up until it just ended with no resolution. Did he find the army? If so what did he find?
Well, being the amateur Egyptologist, I came across this title pleasantly excited. It immediately became apparent that it wasn’t the Egyptian army in question, it was a Persian one. I can only imagine a massive sandstorm is very capable of swallowing an entire army. BUT, no evidence whatsoever. My mind even drifted to a Close Encounter scenario where the Persian army was beamed up whole! And Olaf found Hieroglyphs depicting Persians in the sky being transported to a mother ship. I am eagerly awaiting the discovery of Cleopatra’s tomb. At least then a take from Herodotus would have more bones to it.
There was once an army of 50,000 Egyptians / really Persians in Egypt, they disappeared in a sandstorm. No one knows if it is a myth or true, the end. Cool story bro.
TheDba82 iirc it’s well recorded because the Persian king who lead the army went mad due to the defeat.
0utstanding! Thanks!
Did you learn anything? The person above you doesn't agree.
Awesome!
Amazing
I switched off when he said Egypt has 5,000 years of history, the real history goes way back.
More than 5000, you deaf. Written a.k.a less speculative history is just 5000.
"more than 5000yrs"
Did I miss something? He never found the remains of the army, nor their battlefield. He has an assumption based on a temple inscription. It seems very premature to have an entire TED talk where he pats himself on the back for a discovery that is completely theoretical at this point.
TEDx is different than TED.
He found out why the 50k troops were sent out. He found that those 50k did not succeed in their mission. He found where this mysterious king belonged in the history of Egypt. He helped confirm the credibility of Herodotus' recorded story.
He is Dutch.
@@princesssolace4337 What's your point exactly?
@@princesssolace4337... Lol are you referencing a stereotype we're unaware of🤣🤣
13 mins to say "My guess is, we're looking for a battlefield."
Whole lot of sawdust, no beams.
Thats a very good example for Talk a lot without saying nothing
This almost parallels the Mongols invasion of Japan when its fleet was destroyed by a typhoon.
let me save you some time... take the title and add... "I guess, this story is really about my life and my adventures"... I hate when they do that...
Exactly!
Excellent story.Please MrEriksson, more Ted Talk video. I am fascinated and hunger for more.Thank you so much.
I love Egyptology, too. It’s been a passion of mine since I was a child. I like the period he’s talking about, too, because there’s so much to know and learn about.
@TEDx Why the title says Disappearance of a 50.000 Egyptian Army while it was Persian Army?
The headline is misleading, this story is not about an "Egyptain Army".
"... one of the stories he relates is that of a Persian army sent out into the western desert and it never came back."
So....the whole whole headline is a misnomer, you are right!
When he wondered the desert trying to justify his life, he missed his mummy
Bert Osterberg Excellent!
@@Mark-yb1sp except its wandered.
Where can I buy one of those?
Awesome
So many TEDx lectures on TH-cam is so poorly filmed... Why would you show a person talking for several minutes instead of the slideshow that’s supporting the talk.?!
This was an absolut zero content stretched for 13 minutes!
No solution, no content no findings just sitting there thinking about a surrealistisk nothing!
Nice point, Jeffery Hill! Charles Forte also had a tale,verified by witnesses, of a British regiment in Gallipoli times being covered by a brownish cloud, which then lifted up. The regiment had disappeared. No remains found or explanation was ever given. Who's going around collecting armies??!!
Later excavations proved that the majority were executed by Turks near a small farm in a heavily wooded area near Sulva Bay in the North of the Penninsula. The Turks had their "lost regiment". They totally vanished while on routine patrol before the allied landings. This worried the Turks greatly suspecting mass desertion. Only solved many decades later when bone fragments where discovered by a shepard in a small hollow. They had all been killed by a single shot from the Battleship Queen Elisabeth when it exploded directly over their heads.
Great Tory!
It also happened for second Persian army which was big fleet of ship to Greece destination with 200.000 men. Never arrived
The people who said nothing happened in this talk obviously didn't stay or understand... The myth of a lost army was shattered, a lost king found and a battlefield waits to be excavated. That's quite a bit of drama right there!
Actually that Egyptian king was a fighter, a hero. He claimed back Egypt from the Persians.
"Battlefield waits to be excavated". We have a theory at this point.
He's an archeologist not a public speaker, we need to be excavating and digging into our history in that part of the world, he's doing important work
@@ancientbear3280 Yes! Thank you.
It's got a history alot older than that.
I think that size of ancient armies that have come to us need to be divided by 5 or 10. The logistics (water and food most importantly) of the high numbers are impossible.
If the entire army disappeared, never to be seen or heard of again, how do we know it was a sandstorm, and how do we know they all disappeared into this sandstorm when they were sitting down to breakfast?
Hahaha, Kelly Shaw, u are so funny about these silly boyfriends, a comforting attitude over a bad situation; love it.
This makes perfect sense, a sandstorms been stealing my socks out of the dryer for YEARS!
No, the warm, moist environment allowed them to complete their metamorphosis into a wire coathanger, which transports and appears in your cupboard.
You need a better dryer
...careful....😕
Spoiled the story nice
Heroditus spoke of ships, they were found recently buried under the old nile......
i wish there were some maps and photos to show the area where that army was. why not look intp ground radar / ladar ?
Ever since I was a child I loved everything Egypt.
So I became a musician.
So if you had loved dinosaurs you would have become a dentist?
Steve Trueblue no a football player .... 🤦♂️🤣
Soooo basically a Persian legend/mystery compelled him to pursue becoming an Egyptologist some day.
Cool story bro.
It is an Egyptian record translated by a Greek traveler about a Persian army
Check for Solar Out Burst. Also use metal detector in grid like pattern of best guess areas. Use satellite with ground penetrating sonar.
Is Arguement still going on?
I need files and facts!
📠📠📠📠📠📠
He's mistaken. Herodotus is writing about the Great Psamtik 1st. Rising up to conquer the Assyrian empire of Essarhaddon and Asherbinpal. From the story of Thebes and Temple of Amun. Psamtik regained complete control of upper and lower Egypt. There was no other Egyptian warrior king like him since Thutmoses III
A bit misleading, but, very intriguing.
Listen to the whole thing.. for your sake.
Ever thought about looking for them in the Red sea?
Carl, just journeying through.
Amazing Post. It gives a great example of how difficult is to assemble history basing facts on isolated pieces of evidence. Let’s not forget that Egyptology goes back to the times of Greeks. Few thousand years ago.
Discovering a new Egyptian king.... probably pretty nice...
Per Sørlie lmao there were so many! And they did nothing but kill people and boss others around by lying about how fancy they are!
*_...Herodotus was an amateur Greek historian, and fascinated by Egyptian geography... I think even spawned the county western croon, "Is it warmer down south than it is in the summer..." (originally referring to the priesthood's explanation for the source of the Nile river way down south, the snow melts from the high mountains near the equator)..._*
Damn I wish this talk was an order of magnitude longer.
I still don’t get why they said the army was lost in a sand storm and all the other things that were in the story. But i am glad he followed his passion and was rewarded by picking the dullest time period of egypt
I think the commenting experts below, might need to listen the the video again.
Exactly :) to be honest hes presentation is so bad but whoever wants to get what he means will get , his speech was delivered eventho the presentation was not so good .
I’m pretty sure somebody missed pay day, and the boys “vanished” in the sand.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻wonderful
Ok the title got my attention. :)
This is why I can never get into prehistoric stuff. No matter how much you read and research, you still
Don’t really know what happened and you're left feeling unfulfilled.
This isn't prehistoric. He references Herodotus repeatedly.
@Barb Mulvaney Dumbest comment today.
...say what? Solved?!! I think not. Has archaeology come to this? Has Ted Talks come to this?
Yes it has indeed come to this. Especially Egyptology. It all actuality though most of history is just an educated guess at best.
This is TedX... not Ted
I think there is more intrigued here than meets the eye. Imagine the vinegar running through the veins of the defeated and humiliated Egyptians. Somehow they managed to acquire a guide for this Persian army that led them out into the desert, into a trap here possibly ambushed or simply left exposed and lost in a hostile climate. Check a win here for the Egyptians. There is a multi million dollar drama franchise nested here.
Seheruibre Padibastet, better known with his Hellenised name Petubastis III (or IV, depending on the scholars) was a native Ancient Egyptian ruler, c. 522 - 520 BC, who revolted against Persians.
This bloke just took me on the scenic, stuttery road to nowhere...
I wish I read your comment sooner. Thank you
Aliens, that’s why. Saw it on history channel.
Do you have the link? I want to watch it
It is the most plausible explanation, strange "sandstorm" aside.
I want a movie about an ancient Persian army in the desert vs. Egyptian guerialla war fighters, whether the Egyptians had equal numbers (50,000 men) or less I’m sure it was epic
I disagree with his premise of "following your passion." Your passion could mislead you into a path of self destruction. Rather..take your passion with you as a guide ONLY.
There is a legend of the Chinese emperor who sent his official to find the elixir of life. In those days, those emperor want to live forever. The official, knowing that he and is entire family were dead as there was no way to find the elixir. That was the penalty for failure. He asked the emperor for 500 young men and maidens and ships and supplies and left and sailed to what is now Japan and established a settlement there and never came back. So actually the people of Japan are Chinese. That is of course for those scientists to prove. It is way beyond my pay grade.
This story may have truth. The central Japanese population has a surprising degree of haplogroup O3a5, which is Han Chinese. This is not explained by the standard version of migration from Korea.
Bobby Yee i believe you but they must have mixed with other people there or something because chinese and Japanese people look completely different than each other. I know most people would disagree because they think all Asians look the same but they definitely do not look the same. If you have paid attention to how Asian people look you would have seen that you can easily tell where they are from just by their facial features. Just like you can tell the difference between certain white nationalities like Polish, Ukrainian, and Russians.
@@katiekat4457 The native Japanese were more like native Taiwanese (Polynesian).
I've heard that the early Chinese were Caucasian
@Jerry dee Bloody Scots get everywhere!
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The title I think refers to the army of Cambyses, who was Persian, not Egyptian.
Yea Cyrus the greats son.
The question I ask is : No one ever survived, the army totally disappeared... so how did they know about the sand storm.
GreatWaterCircus my first thought
Scriptures
@@blznft9513 So who was there to witness what was written in the scriptures? What is interesting is recently a Geologist found in the desert hundred of skeletal remains... and arrow heads.
@@GreatWaterCircus i share from interest that among literature about Egypt into Arabia and ancient Mesopotamia and the Levant that the then remoter and coastal areas far out in the ancient Arabian Peninsula was a place to have very archaic POW or penal colonies ,.like Aussie was once , of peoples or ethnic groups who were defeated in old 3rd Millennium BC wars about the time of the old Akkadian Empire under its powerful kings.. A ancient city was a warring region at times . The losing side eventually exiled from the first rightful domains like home countries or spots. This even explains Australian looking natives today mixed in Arabia. Dark peoples not Arabic . They had been there long time. From prisoner of war groups anciently .. like a theory see ! These peoples split up some on boats to all over the Indian Ocean becoming Austronesians adding more people to coastal fishing cultures to places like New Guinea retreating into forests .
Also this may have taken a longer span of time and since very ancient warfare to over 4500 years ago took place around the Near and Middle East.
1:22 what did he say did he say and that's it now or was that an edit? Even his body language looked funny but back to the video.
Man you gotta be seriously anti-Amun to send 50,000 dudes to burn down his house.
Well, Amonians are very offensive. Wait, that's ammonia.
@@Mr5thWave Yeah, Ammonites were the first ones using ammo. Super offensive in those times.
@@Mr5thWave atleast they didnt kill people to expand territory , i have to say ammonians were pretty chill
They ran into a bare-chested man with a great big hole in the ground that kept yelling: "This is SPARTA!"
Dont be taken by Hollywood and entertainment movies, even then at the end , you saw a million arrows killed Spartans,and Persia moved to conquer Athens, burning Persepolis was revenge of that burning, they left that part out, so no 300 men could defeat a million man ,who conquered the whole known world.
@@jamesprosper4090 bruh the comment was meant to be a joke
Win hearts and minds. The army did not vanish in a literal sense. It is a metaphor. Upon being sent into the desert to die by an unjust king, the 50,000 simply decided to lay down thier arms and disperse amomg the society of the opponent. Thier hearts were not in the battle. They simply decided to go with the flow. The "ARMY" disappeared. They became citizens and helped build the temple. If you can't beat 'em join 'em.
Very good presentation.