I love this demo! I'm glad you're back, Spammals! I am watching you since ~2016 and thanks to you I learned a lot about Titanic and other ships! Thank you for giving us a laugh and a nice insight into this fascinating time in world history!
Fun fact: the main project, Honour&Glory, is being built exactly like they would’ve built it back in Belfast. They literally are building the hull by the plate, with each plate being cut and placed just like they actually did over 110 years ago. That tells you that the team is taking this project very seriously, and aren’t messing around.
This demo has taken over 10 years to develop and are now with a full new team of developers. They aren't taking it as seriously as you'd think. There has been a lot of public support for this independent project. They could have easily increased funding or found someone to contract them and get this game out. Still hoping one day that this will be a fully released game that allows us to relive the glory and horrors of the Titanic; But I'm not sold on it at all.
Spammals!! I cannot begin to express the nostalgia, and happiness I feel, seeing you upload Titanic videos again. Watching your Titanic videos, and other videos such as Firewatch, will always be something I hold dear in my heart, as it was your videos that helped make up my childhood. (You might recall that all those years ago, I would always comment under your videos. And although I’ve been silent for a little bit, I’ve always remained subscribed, tuning into your channel.) And I’m so glad, and excited for this channel revamp. Thank you for everything Spammals, and I’m looking forward to the future of this channel, and the new Spammals Extra channel! 🙂
Hey man. Been a long time fan. Watched back in your titanic prime days and I'm glad you found a way to branch out to other content and even became quite good at sea of thieves. You are still one of my favorite creators to this day, and I haven't watched in a while but I got this notification and thought I'd drop in. It's good to see you still doing amazing. Now... Let's begin
Never clicked on a video so fast, it will take getting used to without the face cam but I'm still loving the video, some of my greatest memories of being on youtube and watching videos are of your channel. Thank you for being such a great youtube and can't wait for what the future brings.
I'm glad they didn't rush this game. It's coming together so nice. Computers getting more powerful also helps. I'll be playing this game day one even if it comes out in 2030.
Found one easter egg from Titanic Adventure out of Time - You can enter Cabin C-73, your cabin from that game. The big trunk from the game is in there & open, so you can see the items that were in it in that game.
The firemen tunnel is arched because it passes through several watertight bulkheads. In case of flooding arch form is more resistant to the water pressure than a flat ceiling. Nice video!
I just rewatched the Minecraft series and I forgot how good it was! Everyone would like a new Minecraft series (only if your up to it) it would also bring us back to 2019! “Praise Bruce” Also great Titanic video, it really brings everyone back to 2016
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Back in the 90s when I started working on 3D games, I thought a good retirement project would be to build a 3D model of the Titanic that people could explore. Well… I haven’t retired yet. Beat me to it!
Been a fan of your work since 2017 glad to see more titanic videos from you. Also used to watch your sea of thieves content too. It's great to have you back and hope to see more amazing content from you in the future!
Hey Spammals hope your having a great rest of your day YES! MATE 🇬🇧 also please very much careful that probably hurt falling down 15:10 anyways have a nice day Spammals BYE! 👋🏻
I missed you man!!! Also there is apparently it's been implied there is a secret somewhere in the coal bunkers, if you climb up one of the coal piles. Also a secret way into an ash ejector compartment from the crew washroom. Oh Oh and C73 has a very fun nod to Adventure Out Of Time. I'm asking you because I'm a mac user and can't go there myself!!
Joy fills my heart once again Spammals... Like years away from a long lost friend... I remember way back in 2016 when I left a comment on your Demo 2 video, and was staggered by the beauty of the game, and sharing your passion for everything about it, was just amazing. In addition to that, it was the very first comment I noted to be hearted by the creator, very special to me! I'm very truly happy your brought back Titanic, at the very least, and I look forward to popping TH-cam open to you again! I'm already subscribed to the extras channel, and I've seen it's already above 1,000 subs, so congratulations! I do request, just as a little shed of nostalgia, to do a demos comparison. Compare areas from "Then and Now" from demo 1 to demo 401 2.0. The comparisons will be astonishing, and only truly show how fantastic everyone at VDR is about bringing this to us. Beyond that, I'll love to be there with you every step of the way!
Ive already contributed to the 2nd channel by subscribing. I am a long time fan and have been around since around the 2017 or 2018 era. Very glad to see that ship related videos will be making a return. Let's us make the best of 2023, Spammals.
Nice to see you you revisit Titanic content! Btw, the fidley was used to allow hot air to naturally rise up and out of the boiler rooms while also letting some light in. Fresh air was pumped in through the rectangular vents on the bulkheads. Also, the round shape of the fireman's passage was because it was meant to be watertight. Basically the passage passed through two watertight bulkheads, but if two watertight doors were placed in there then it would create a section no one could escape from if they were closed. So instead they had just one watertight door at the end and made the passage itself watertight to bypass the middle bulkhead. The rounded shape was needed to give it the strength to resist water pressure.
The swimming room is probably the most well preserved rooms in the ship today, while evacuation they closed the door and they have been closed ever since The Turkish baths are well preserved too, even the titles sill have their colours on
Was entertaining to watch~ Early Spammals vibes~ Can't wait to see what's on the Horizon for you Spammals~ But as always, don't feel pressured to do just ship stuff. You're amazing and I love your face~
Fashionably late, but I grew up on your Titanic stuff and it's great to see you coming back for a brief visit. Followed you even when you took a step away from Titanic and your SoT streams got me through lockdown. Thank you so much for the amazing content!
Thank you for your videos, its quite fun to watch them actually xD, I got to test this demo yesterday and I love the level of detail if you use the mouse wheel you can pan in or out, also, if you go to the first class forward staircase, go down to E deck, on the left side(as you just going down) there is an open cabin, the E23 thats Molly Brown cabin, and in the same area were the elevators are, on the ground next to the first elevator there is a brass circular object on the floor, that has on the wall a wood box and a plaque, thats a point for the crew to manually close the water tight doors that are bellow in the F deck... Also LOL I fell down the cargo hole on top XD
Spammals, I’ve been watching you for years, what’s up. I know it sounds crazy, but remember when I knew everything about Titanic. Then as i got older, everything just disappeared from my mind like amnesia. But now, you’ve restored my memory, I remember every room, every hall way, every air duct on the ship again. Thank you 😂😅
Dam Spammals is back to Titanic. You should do one episode of sinking stimulator or floating sand box. Like you don't have to do anything special just go in and have fun with it. That would be a good episode
Yay, Spammals walking through Titanic once again! Feels like just yesterday I found you cleaning artifacts, throwing them across the room, and yelling "Science!"
The demo runs amazingly well and looks fantastic! Even on my gaming laptop with a Geforce GTX and 8GB RAM. Kinda sad it's not enough to take a look at the first class areas but what I was able to explore was absolutely breathtaking. And with Unreal Engine 5 it was pretty surprising how much natural light was actually able to come into the ship via windows and portholes. I'm hoping to eventually afford an actual gaming PC at some point that can run the entire demo and hopefully the whole game!
Hi Spammals! I’ve been a long time subscriber and it’s nice seeing this game really take shape. Watching your old videos of Titanic World really got me hooked to it. Thank you for my childhood!
Always loved your channel and your silly narration. You bring me a smile to my face every time. Great video as always. I been waiting for the release of this game for years! Glad to see it finally almost complete. Great tour. I thought I knew Titanic well. You my friend are filled with Titanic knowledge.
Awesome video from an awesome TH-camr. I've been watching you since your first floating sandbox videos three years ago, and I still love everything you put out. Let's get that channel to 1000!
I can’t wait to check this demo out. One part of the ship I’ve always been curious about mainly because I’ve never seen any photos of or any other details for .. Is the ships hospital.
This is amazing. Glad the beautiful score from Britannic is in there, too. I am really thrilled with this recreation. It's all I ever wanted from the project. The second class areas - I had to pinch myself, because they honestly looked real.
and yes that "wasted" space around the funnels was to vent otherwise the inside of the passenger areas around it would be extremely hot, funells would be extremely hot
Hey love to see you playing the old stuff and just to see you back spam love your content as always its a little odd to not see the webcam in the main tho
Hey Spammals, I just want to say. Thank you for all the videos you've made. I have been a huge fan of you since I was 10. And I remember getting home from school excited to watch your latest videos. You were a huge part of what got me into the Titanic, its history, and ocean liners in general. and I even went to Belfast late last year and saw the Nomadic and Museum (It was a blast). And I have a Titanic collection of stuff too! Also I absolutely loved the new demo and video and will be purchasing Project 401 the day it comes out! (Televisions on the Titanic Time travel confirmed)
I'm glad your back I've been a subscriber since the beginning watching your content helps me through my struggles with sensory integration and anxiety thank you
This game just continues to improve. When the full game is fully complete, my word it's gonna be awesome. Me hoping someone does a similar thing for Star Trek.
11:39 It is not wasted space. Its function is to provide a natural vent for the hot air rising from the ship's boilers. also [SPOILER:] If you go back in that deep cargo room you can find a chest full of gold and jewels. Just when you were talking about Easter eggs...
Already subbed to the new channel. Good to see you back on the Good Ship Titanic, Spammals. (Well, maybe it wasn’t _that_ good, but - you know what I mean!)
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Yes mate!
It’s so nice to be finally exploring Titanic with you guiding us yet again.
Glad you’re back Spam! This is exactly what I needed, going through a lot right now so your videos helps me cope
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Hope you are better now sir or madam! God bless you!
THE NOSTALGIA IS ALL COMING BACK ONCE AGAIN!! 💪
is this ole if you are not ole ignore this you just sound like ole with the name and the emoji
@@puppywing8693 what?
@@RetroDeeMonkey ok you arent ole nvm i will send him this video whenever he wakes up and ill tell him to reply or something
YES MATE
ok hes grounded I think give it anweek
I love this demo! I'm glad you're back, Spammals! I am watching you since ~2016 and thanks to you I learned a lot about Titanic and other ships! Thank you for giving us a laugh and a nice insight into this fascinating time in world history!
hi
Fun fact: the main project, Honour&Glory, is being built exactly like they would’ve built it back in Belfast. They literally are building the hull by the plate, with each plate being cut and placed just like they actually did over 110 years ago. That tells you that the team is taking this project very seriously, and aren’t messing around.
This demo has taken over 10 years to develop and are now with a full new team of developers. They aren't taking it as seriously as you'd think. There has been a lot of public support for this independent project. They could have easily increased funding or found someone to contract them and get this game out. Still hoping one day that this will be a fully released game that allows us to relive the glory and horrors of the Titanic; But I'm not sold on it at all.
Spammals!! I cannot begin to express the nostalgia, and happiness I feel, seeing you upload Titanic videos again.
Watching your Titanic videos, and other videos such as Firewatch, will always be something I hold dear in my heart, as it was your videos that helped make up my childhood. (You might recall that all those years ago, I would always comment under your videos. And although I’ve been silent for a little bit, I’ve always remained subscribed, tuning into your channel.) And I’m so glad, and excited for this channel revamp.
Thank you for everything Spammals, and I’m looking forward to the future of this channel, and the new Spammals Extra channel! 🙂
Ah hell yeah!!! Back in business baby! We love you Spam-Spam!❤❤❤
OH. MY. GOD. I. NEED. THIS. NOW.
"LETS BEGIN!" Remember that from your old Titanic vids i used to watch when i was 6 lol
Hey man. Been a long time fan. Watched back in your titanic prime days and I'm glad you found a way to branch out to other content and even became quite good at sea of thieves. You are still one of my favorite creators to this day, and I haven't watched in a while but I got this notification and thought I'd drop in. It's good to see you still doing amazing. Now...
Let's begin
so hyped.. looks sick
Nice Titanic game !! Amazing Spammals, great content just like always.
4:39 i believe the phrase was 'you forget how' but it explodes is good enough lol
Loved how comfy I felt watching this video. Glad that the old Spammals content has finally returned! It's like seeing an old friend again.
Lord Spammals has returned to his ship, and it is glorious!
Never clicked on a video so fast, it will take getting used to without the face cam but I'm still loving the video, some of my greatest memories of being on youtube and watching videos are of your channel. Thank you for being such a great youtube and can't wait for what the future brings.
I'm glad they didn't rush this game. It's coming together so nice. Computers getting more powerful also helps. I'll be playing this game day one even if it comes out in 2030.
Spammals glad your continuing with this style and u deserve way more subs
Glad you're back, glad I'm back. Now that we've got that sorted out: *YOU GOT HER EARLY?! WHAT?!*
Not fair THG. 😂
Found one easter egg from Titanic Adventure out of Time - You can enter Cabin C-73, your cabin from that game. The big trunk from the game is in there & open, so you can see the items that were in it in that game.
The firemen tunnel is arched because it passes through several watertight bulkheads. In case of flooding arch form is more resistant to the water pressure than a flat ceiling. Nice video!
Been watching since about 2017 and words cannot describe how glad I am to see the old content style back!
I loved how you revealed the below deck access to the crows nest ladder.
“The Plank of Wood of ‘Thou Shalt not Pass’”
GREAT video man!
I really like the talking capt smith head
Steam train nerd here, just noticed the reciprocating engines look very similar to Stephenson's valve gear motion.
4:25 This is one of the 30 kilowatt emergency dynamos. There should be a second one next to it but I don't think it's been modeled yet.
The two emergency dynamos are present. It's really cool to see them.
Wow!!!! People talked to each other and played cards and wrote letters before the internet? Amazing!!
Love the 🎶
I repeat what I said on other recent Titanic updates; *MIND-BOGGLINGLY BRILLIANT* ! Astounding attention to detail!!
Glad to see you back!
I just rewatched the Minecraft series and I forgot how good it was! Everyone would like a new Minecraft series (only if your up to it) it would also bring us back to 2019! “Praise Bruce” Also great Titanic video, it really brings everyone back to 2016
Great to see your back to Titanic. Just have fun, and we’ll have fun.
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White Star Line was cursed! Now there's Blue Star Line.
Back in the 90s when I started working on 3D games, I thought a good retirement project would be to build a 3D model of the Titanic that people could explore. Well… I haven’t retired yet. Beat me to it!
Great video and the music was so relaxing and beautiful.
Glad you enjoyed it! I had to go hunting to find them as the demo is silent.
Havent been onto this channel in a while. I tend to get alot more into titanic each spring due to april getting closer.
im glad to see you back on Titanic , reminds me of the good old days happy to see you thrive Spammals , we missed you man
glad to see the classic content back
Been a fan of your work since 2017 glad to see more titanic videos from you. Also used to watch your sea of thieves content too. It's great to have you back and hope to see more amazing content from you in the future!
This is a great game
Lovely to see you have returned Spammals, Welcome back!
IM SO GLAD TITANIC AND SHIPS ARE BACK :)
Omg hi from uk
YES MATE
I am loving what I am seeing come out of the team recently - this demo was honestly a surprise - to be sure, but a welcome one.
Today I decided to check back on your channel and three Titanic videos in a row. Very nice
I'm glad to see Titanic back while also being able to watch the other games on the second channel!!
I’ve only just noticed ur new channel icon.
1: I’m obviously stupid and don’t notice changes often lol
2: I absolutely love it!!!!!
Hey Spammals hope your having a great rest of your day YES! MATE 🇬🇧 also please very much careful that probably hurt falling down 15:10 anyways have a nice day Spammals BYE! 👋🏻
I remember watching your channel years ago. Nice seeing you still uploading!
I missed you man!!! Also there is apparently it's been implied there is a secret somewhere in the coal bunkers, if you climb up one of the coal piles. Also a secret way into an ash ejector compartment from the crew washroom. Oh Oh and C73 has a very fun nod to Adventure Out Of Time. I'm asking you because I'm a mac user and can't go there myself!!
Glad you are back Spammals!
Watching your videos makes me so happy!! Keep up the great work man :)
Hey Spammals I'm glad ur still doing Titanic content keep it up ❤️❤️
Can't get enough of a good educational yet humourous video with Spammals and the RMS Titanic! Welcome back aboard mate. Love your videos!
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Joy fills my heart once again Spammals... Like years away from a long lost friend...
I remember way back in 2016 when I left a comment on your Demo 2 video, and was staggered by the beauty of the game, and sharing your passion for everything about it, was just amazing. In addition to that, it was the very first comment I noted to be hearted by the creator, very special to me! I'm very truly happy your brought back Titanic, at the very least, and I look forward to popping TH-cam open to you again! I'm already subscribed to the extras channel, and I've seen it's already above 1,000 subs, so congratulations!
I do request, just as a little shed of nostalgia, to do a demos comparison. Compare areas from "Then and Now" from demo 1 to demo 401 2.0. The comparisons will be astonishing, and only truly show how fantastic everyone at VDR is about bringing this to us. Beyond that, I'll love to be there with you every step of the way!
Love this!
I forgot that this was for today. Definitely gonna download the next opportunity I get.
Ive already contributed to the 2nd channel by subscribing. I am a long time fan and have been around since around the 2017 or 2018 era. Very glad to see that ship related videos will be making a return. Let's us make the best of 2023, Spammals.
The Titanic guy is back!
Nice to see you you revisit Titanic content! Btw, the fidley was used to allow hot air to naturally rise up and out of the boiler rooms while also letting some light in. Fresh air was pumped in through the rectangular vents on the bulkheads. Also, the round shape of the fireman's passage was because it was meant to be watertight. Basically the passage passed through two watertight bulkheads, but if two watertight doors were placed in there then it would create a section no one could escape from if they were closed. So instead they had just one watertight door at the end and made the passage itself watertight to bypass the middle bulkhead. The rounded shape was needed to give it the strength to resist water pressure.
The swimming room is probably the most well preserved rooms in the ship today, while evacuation they closed the door and they have been closed ever since
The Turkish baths are well preserved too, even the titles sill have their colours on
Classic Spammals is back and better than ever!
Was entertaining to watch~ Early Spammals vibes~ Can't wait to see what's on the Horizon for you Spammals~
But as always, don't feel pressured to do just ship stuff. You're amazing and I love your face~
Fashionably late, but I grew up on your Titanic stuff and it's great to see you coming back for a brief visit. Followed you even when you took a step away from Titanic and your SoT streams got me through lockdown. Thank you so much for the amazing content!
Absolutely brilliant 👍
Gonna miss your face cam.
Also Smith is hilarious.
Thank you for your videos, its quite fun to watch them actually xD, I got to test this demo yesterday and I love the level of detail if you use the mouse wheel you can pan in or out, also, if you go to the first class forward staircase, go down to E deck, on the left side(as you just going down) there is an open cabin, the E23 thats Molly Brown cabin, and in the same area were the elevators are, on the ground next to the first elevator there is a brass circular object on the floor, that has on the wall a wood box and a plaque, thats a point for the crew to manually close the water tight doors that are bellow in the F deck... Also LOL I fell down the cargo hole on top XD
wow I’m excited for stormworks content excited for this rebrand thingy
Spammals, I’ve been watching you for years, what’s up.
I know it sounds crazy, but remember when I knew everything about Titanic. Then as i got older, everything just disappeared from my mind like amnesia.
But now, you’ve restored my memory, I remember every room, every hall way, every air duct on the ship again.
Thank you 😂😅
Watched some of the livestream, was great!
Dam Spammals is back to Titanic. You should do one episode of sinking stimulator or floating sand box. Like you don't have to do anything special just go in and have fun with it. That would be a good episode
Thank you so much spammals for what you do for us as a community we love and appreciate you
U are like a brother I can always count on you
YESSSS!! loved it mate, glad you’re back
Amazing video Spammals!
Yay, Spammals walking through Titanic once again! Feels like just yesterday I found you cleaning artifacts, throwing them across the room, and yelling "Science!"
To say this notification pleasantly surprised me is quite an understatement! Ya boy is bacc in town
The demo runs amazingly well and looks fantastic! Even on my gaming laptop with a Geforce GTX and 8GB RAM. Kinda sad it's not enough to take a look at the first class areas but what I was able to explore was absolutely breathtaking. And with Unreal Engine 5 it was pretty surprising how much natural light was actually able to come into the ship via windows and portholes. I'm hoping to eventually afford an actual gaming PC at some point that can run the entire demo and hopefully the whole game!
Hi Spammals! I’ve been a long time subscriber and it’s nice seeing this game really take shape. Watching your old videos of Titanic World really got me hooked to it. Thank you for my childhood!
Always loved your channel and your silly narration. You bring me a smile to my face every time. Great video as always. I been waiting for the release of this game for years! Glad to see it finally almost complete. Great tour. I thought I knew Titanic well. You my friend are filled with Titanic knowledge.
Awesome video from an awesome TH-camr. I've been watching you since your first floating sandbox videos three years ago, and I still love everything you put out. Let's get that channel to 1000!
IM SO GLAD YOU'RE BACK WITH TITANIC
I can’t wait to check this demo out. One part of the ship I’ve always been curious about mainly because I’ve never seen any photos of or any other details for .. Is the ships hospital.
Great to see you back Spammals.
This is where I first found you before then discovering you on Twitch.
Keep up the good work dude.
Holy shit I used to be subbed too you since 2016 and I lost my old yt account in 2020 I can’t believe I found this channel again…
This is amazing. Glad the beautiful score from Britannic is in there, too. I am really thrilled with this recreation. It's all I ever wanted from the project.
The second class areas - I had to pinch myself, because they honestly looked real.
Aye spammals!. Titanic is back broS!
Spammals Welcome back bud happy with new content hope to still see other content also but hyped for more video's titanic or not much love bro
and yes that "wasted" space around the funnels was to vent otherwise the inside of the passenger areas around it would be extremely hot, funells would be extremely hot
Welcome back Spam!
I'm so happy that you've come back to guiding us through the titanic once again! I've been a fan since 2017!
Hey love to see you playing the old stuff and just to see you back spam love your content as always its a little odd to not see the webcam in the main tho
I really enjoyed your video and your tour through the ship!
Hey Spammals, I just want to say. Thank you for all the videos you've made. I have been a huge fan of you since I was 10. And I remember getting home from school excited to watch your latest videos. You were a huge part of what got me into the Titanic, its history, and ocean liners in general. and I even went to Belfast late last year and saw the Nomadic and Museum (It was a blast). And I have a Titanic collection of stuff too! Also I absolutely loved the new demo and video and will be purchasing Project 401 the day it comes out! (Televisions on the Titanic Time travel confirmed)
I'm glad your back I've been a subscriber since the beginning watching your content helps me through my struggles with sensory integration and anxiety thank you
Glad you are back mate!
This game just continues to improve. When the full game is fully complete, my word it's gonna be awesome. Me hoping someone does a similar thing for Star Trek.
Hi Spammals! Great to hear you playing another game for us!
YOUR BACK!!
SPAMMALS!! You are back!!!!!!! And back to shippy and Titanicy related content! Yay! Booshy!!
11:39 It is not wasted space. Its function is to provide a natural vent for the hot air rising from the ship's boilers.
also [SPOILER:]
If you go back in that deep cargo room you can find a chest full of gold and jewels. Just when you were talking about Easter eggs...
Already subbed to the new channel. Good to see you back on the Good Ship Titanic, Spammals. (Well, maybe it wasn’t _that_ good, but - you know what I mean!)