Did all the people who are upset and screaming about Reza Aslan talking about Jesus actually watch the video? Because Dr. Aslan hasn't said a single thing that is negative about Jesus or Christianity.
Faisal you asked the question ".Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross, when the one on the cross was shouting "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" according to Matthew 27:45 and Mark 15:33?" The death of Jesus was prophesied in the Old Testament. When Jesus shouted "My God, my God why have you forsaken me?" he was fulfilling the prophecy in Psalm 22:1. Jesus died in our behalf to fulfill God's justice. Now that is the power of Love. Look at John 3:16. Peace.
I am the daughter of a preacher. I found this sermon touching, and beautifully delivered by Mr, Aslan. By the way, Christians that enjoy all those historical TV shows on the Bible, Moses, Jesus,etc should know, that most Biblical scholars shown on those shows do not call themselves Christians, like Mr. Aslan, they mostly study the Bible, The Torah and other religious books from a historical perspective
Not true. Non-Muslims are allowed to enter mosques as long as they respect the rules like being barefoot, sitting on the floor etc. My grandmother's funeral in Arizona was attended by a lot of Christians, and Hindus. One of her pall bearers was a Lutheran minister who is very close to our family.
Aslan holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in religions from Santa Clara University, a Master of Theological Studies degree from Harvard Divinity School, and a Master of Fine Arts degree from the University of Iowa's Writers' Workshop, where he was named the Truman Capote Fellow in Fiction. Aslan also received a Doctor of Philosophy in Sociology, focusing in the history of religion, from the University of California, Santa Barbara...and he wrote a book on Jesus PBUH. What credentials do you have?
Aslan holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in religions from Santa Clara University, a Master of Theological Studies degree from Harvard Divinity School, and a Master of Fine Arts degree from the University of Iowa's Writers' Workshop, where he was named the Truman Capote Fellow in Fiction. Aslan also received a Doctor of Philosophy in Sociology, focusing in the history of religion, from the University of California, Santa Barbara.[7][8][9]. What are your credentials?
"...allowed to Pulpit to PREACH to Believers who believe Jesus as their Savior & Son of God?? " Those who truly believe Jesus as their Saviour and Son of God would never allow a Muslim or a non Christian to preach to them. This shows what some churches are upto. Biblical truths - spiritual truths -are absulute and not debatable. Just wait ...until the Lord returns.
Not what many Christians say. So what should I believe according to you? Which Bible do I believe?NIV,NVT,ESV,NASB,KJB,HCSB,AKJ,ASV or ERV? Should I be evangelical, protestant, catholic what? Do I believe in the Trinity or what?
Faisal, I have a quran at my desk on the job that i refer to all the time. Mine is the one translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. So as you can see I am definitely looking into your scriptures and I appreciate the fact that you said you will look into mine. One question though why do you say I have a "delusional view" on Islam ? I'd like to know what your reasons are and then may be I can clarify some points to you. Peace.
Faisal I do not know what you mean by version but if you mean we have over 20 different translations then I must say that you are wrong on that. We have one translation and people put these translations in a linguistic style that makes it easier for them to read the bible. Having different stylistic approach to the scriptures does not mean that the message has changed. Peace
I did not say Islam is demanding anyone to beat their wives. However, this is what the verse says quote" As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds (and last) beat them (lightly): but if they return to obedience, do not seek against them means(of annoyance for God is Most High". In this verse there is no where where it says "under extreme situation" you are adding that to the verse. Your agument is weak here.
and by the way "beat them" lightly Sura 4:34 is not found in Topkapi manuscript. It is just a later addition in order to appeal to western audiences who will find such a verse in the quran disturbing. Peace.
Faisal you asked "If God had wanted to save us, couldn’t He have done that without sacrificing Jesus?" God could do anything but sin has to be punished in order for God to be a perfect God. The answer to your question is that God wants to save us very very much that is why He gave His only unique son JESUS so that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. I urge you to read John 3:16-18. Peace.
The issue religions in general are having, and this isn't singular to Islam, is that everytime something bad happens, people say that those followers misinterpreted the Bible, or the Quran, or (insert scripture here) but I am going to say, just as many have, that the middle east has a large populace of Islamic extremists in the midst of "mainstream" muslims.
Faisal I must tell you that I like our dialogue, hopefully we will all learn to get along even if we disagree on religious doctrine. Now to answer your question, God is Almighty and a perfect God. All His qualities demand that He does everything perfectly, which means He is also a God of justice so He must punish sin. He has to punish sin in order to remain perfect, either He kills all of us for our sins or He comes up with another way and He chose to sacrifice His own son for us........
liband773 you did not answer any of the questions that I raised in my last post. I do not know if you did not understand what I said or what. Please look at my last post to you and answer my questions before I will continue this dialogue with you. Thanks
Hmm, so what denomination of Christianity are you? Where in the bible does it say the Jesus is a "Prophet" or even a "Son of God" since we are taking down literal translations? Prophet/Messenger in my eye's same thing. There isn't a literal translation of the word "Prophet" from Arabic to English but anyhow some questions to you my friend:
There are scholars who will gladly interpret 4:34 for you such as Nouman Ali Khan. It called Tafsir, you can Type Tafsir of Surah so and so in youtube to have a scholar explain it to you. The literal translation is one thing but the quran is written in the most complex form of Arabic period, and some "Tafsirs" can last months to explain in depth what the Quran is saying. Which is what I am currently doing. God bless man.
Why does the Catholic Bible contain 73 books while the Protestant Bible has only 66? With both claiming to have the complete Word of God, which one should be believed and why? Where do those new translations of the Bible keep coming from when the original Bible is not even available ? The Greek manuscripts which are translations themselves are not even similar with each other.How can you take two gospels from writers who never met Jesus, like Mark and Luke?
15. If it was agreeable with God’s Majesty to have sons, He could have created a million sons the like of Jesus. So what is the big clear deal about this only son? 16.Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross, when the one on the cross was shouting "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" according to Matthew 27:45 and Mark 15:33? 17. If God had wanted to save us, couldn’t He have done that without sacrificing Jesus?
Amen & Amen ! Tell it brother. Tell it to the Christians who are so out of track to welcome a Jesus Denier to preach on Jesus. Just like in the days of Adam & Eve.
this is just short sample of the lyrics of the 2nd track of my latest Gospel album: It's Raining Jesus! Hallelujah! - It's Raining Jesus! Amen! I'm gonna go out to run and let myself get Absolutely soaking wet! It's Raining Jesus! Hallelujah! It's Raining Jesus! Every Specimen! Tall, blonde, dark and lean, like a surfer dude Rough and tough and strong and mean
Faisal I don't want to bother you but I think I should comment on your statement about wife beating which you said "The arabic word used to depict "beating" in this case, is analogous to beating someone with a handkerchief." And here is my point, why beat at all. Whether you beat by a feather or a handkerchief is not the issue, the question is why beat a person( your wife),you claim to love. I quoted you the verse I did not pull it out of context. Just ponder these things a little bit. Peace.
How is this commonifying him? Jesus was a political feature as well as being the son of God. He is talking about the half-human part of him, the part that took in and helped the sick, the weak and the unempowered. That's a huge political statement in the Roman Empire. He was crucified due to sedition/treason being hung on the cross with the title of King of the Jews. Aslan is not gay and his wife is a Christian. Also, you're not being a good follower of jesus by insulting the unempowered gays.
19. People sacrifice things they have to get something they don’t have when they can’t have both. Christians say that "God SACRIFICED His only son to save us". We know that God is Almighty; to whom did He sacrifice Jesus?
have u ever see a Muslim saying bad things about Jesus?...if yap share with me ....in fact i can't be a Muslim if i reject any of these noble men like Jesus, moses, ibrahimetc ....etc ...PEACE AND BLESSING BE UPON THEM ALL
Please look at Matthew 27:43, Luke 22:70, John 10:36, John 11:4. These scriptures clearly demonstrate that Jesus is calling Himself the "Son of God". Please look at these scriptures and bring your questions. Peace.
13:30. Thus have We sent you (O Muhammad ) to a community before whom other communities have passed away, in order that you might recite unto them what We have inspired to you, while they disbelieve in the Most Beneficient (Allah) Say: "He is my Lord! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He)! In Him is my trust, and to Him will be my return with repentance."
Umair you said "I wouldn't have said that" my question is I wouldn't have said what ? Once again please tell me where in the quran does your "prophet" Mohammed himself says "I am a prophet of allah" please show me the sura and the verse. I have a quran at my desk on the job so please quote me the sura and the verse. I am waiting. I am not asking you to quote from any hadiths just the quran. If you are not able to do that then don't ask me to quote you where Jesus says I am God worship me.
If Jesus was not divine then his willingness to suffer for the message was divine and even more impressive since a human Jesus would have no safety net
Furthermore, the controversies you speak of aren't really relevant in our discussion because they are using their interpretations to condone violence which a completely separate debate. We are speaking of the controversies on very fundamental aspects of Christianity. I know Christianity is a peaceful just as Islam is peaceful. I don't know what "Shia", "Sunni" conflicts you speak of, those conflicts are very political (i.e the people disagree with the government". What news do you watch?
You moslems are always asking the question where did Jesus say " I am God worship me". That is a wrong question to ask. Instead just as you moslems look at the life of Mohammed and say he is a prophet, we christians look at the life of Jesus and say He is God. Applying the same analysis, where in the quran does Mohammed himself say I am a prophet, there is no where in the quran where he says that yet you accept him as a prophet. The same logic applies to JESUS CHRIST when it comes to His deity.
2 of 2: Let me give you an example. If your wife comes home and is cussing at you, slandering you, saying you are a useless husband etc, getting into a accusatory argument the Quran tells you in 4:34 how to handle it. It says, " admonish them (first)". After you have "admonished" your wife and she continues to do the aforementioned then, " (next), refuse to share their beds". Then, if your wife is still doing the aforementioned then, "(and last) beat them (lightly)".
Lots of Pharisees in the comment section who are denying what Christ stood for by trying to hold on to power and wealth. Jesus was not for Wealth. Deal with it.
to correct u ..koran is not words of muhamed but it z direct words of god ...i am feeling that u never read the koran. besides prophet is human being like us ..but god is the creator every thing in universe so it z kinda weird to compare god and prophet. any way wanna share with u 5 minuts clip 1 chapter of koran reading with eng-subtitle and look by ur seld if these are mohamed's words or our creator! /watch?v=fI7B2AhMl3I thankz
The fact of the matter taomeano whoever you are is there are over 20 versions of the Bible and much controversy between your own teachings amongst mainstream Christians when there is very little controversy amongst mainstream Muslims. Our book is memorized word for word even by people as little as three years of age. No book is as preserved as the Quran. I can't think of one person who has the Bible memorized, when there are millions of people with the Quran memorized. It's protected.
You still haven't proven how Egypt and Syria is reduced to simply Shia and Sunni warfare. If you have trouble comprehending this, then just type Syrian civil war in google. Furthermore, I wasn't referring to radical Christians having discrepencies, I was focused on civilized, western, mainstream Christians who differ on critical Issue's. And this debate is going no where...focus on your scriptures and check your sources. Look to western Islamic scholars to paint your pictures on Islam.
It's rather ludicrous to debate such issue's on youtube comments of which thousands of scholars have spent large amounts of time with so with that in mind, I won't comment on those issue's which I might add, include politics as well as religion. There are several famous Oxford Union debates that may help you to clear up those Issue's on whether or not Islam is a Peaceful Religion.
13:19. Shall he then who knows that what has been revealed unto you (O Muhammad ) from your Lord is the truth be like him who is blind? But it is only the men of understanding that pay heed.
Abstaining from alcohol,adultery pork etc does not mean that you are following Jesus better than somebody else. There are atheists who abstain from alcohol, adultery, pork etc but do not follow Jesus, so your point there is not accurate. There are a lot of people who do not drink alcohol commit adultery or eat pork but that does not mean that they follow Jesus. Following Jesus has nothing to do with eating pork. Following Jesus means He is your Lord and you have comitted your life to Him.
i believe this/that doesn't necessarily mean fact...at this date there are people who worship idles and see it as god!! ..but any way i would be happy if you show me a direct quote from bible were jesus said (i am god or worship me)..also logicically how can jesus create his own mother..no child ever produce his own mother!! besides jesus was jew living palestine why jews reject him till today but Roman idle worshippers accept him ...plz i advice u to make little research about ur faith
Also it appears to me you are saying christianity is a cult mythology, please provide your evidence. Making assertions without evidence is empty rhetoric. No serious historian will tell you that christianity is a cult mythology. The church fathers such as Mara Bar Serapion, Pliny the younger, Justin Matyr and even a disciple of the apostle John who walked with Jesus called Polycarp, all attest to the historicity of the gospels. once again provide your evidence for the cult mythology assertion.
Furthermore, it is rather non-sensical to go into a scriptural debate over TH-cam. You keep sighting "beating your wife" and you don't seem to understand the clear and cohesive explanation I have given you that as a tertiary intervention, force may be allowed (i.e if a women is rude to you first tell her. Then if that doesn't solve the problem don't lay next to her. Then if that doesn't solve the problem you can use light force. It doesn't promote wife beating.
157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]: What? Above is verse 157. Chapter 4.
A comprehensive 2009 demographic study of 232 countries and territories reported that 23% of the global population, or 1.57 billion people, are Muslims. Of those, it's estimated over 75-90% are Sunni and 10-20% are Shi'a,[11][199][211] with a small minority belonging to other sects. Why don't you type Islam into wikipedia and read up on Islam first.
Yes but we are talking religion here so bringing in atheists is irrelevant. Firstly, the Quran teaches us that Jesus is a messenger like Muhammad and we hold him in the highest regard, even going so far as to say that it is blasphemous to depict pictures of Jesus PBUH. Next, my point with bringing up abstinence from said sins (pork, alcohol etc) is that, we Muslims if anything are adhering more so to the teachings of christ than a lot of Christians are plain and simple.
Faisal news from today's New York Times"Car bombs exploded with catastrophic force outside two Sunni mosques in this northern Lebanon city on Friday as many worshipers were leaving prayers, killing dozens of people and wounding hundreds. The bombings were a major escalation of sectarian violence in Lebanon, a country deeply unsettled by the conflict in neighboring Syria, and reinforced fears that the Middle East could be plunging into unbridled Sunni vs. Shiite warfare. See what I am saying ?
ALL u Christians ...our lord is one lord, he has no wife nor son, he is not equal to his creation , he is all powerful, forgiving and merciful ....accept him or reject him...at the end of the day we all return to him ....and than u will know who was right and who was wrong!!..I AM A MUSLIM... I don't worship Mohamed... i only worship who created me. I ask help and forgiveness to him ...Indeed he is GOD of Ibrahim, Moses Jesus and Mohamed ....
So a Historian who believes/demeans Jesus as a mere one of the many Magician/Exorcist/Prophet should be allowed to Pulpit to PREACH to Believers who believe Jesus as their Savior & Son of God?? Wow... Dear Praecher's Daughter... We the believers need to really pay attention to the Intentions/Faith of a Speaker not just the candy talk. Shalom.
Muslims claim to love Jesus, but they do not. Jesus said: "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:28) and "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." (1 John 4:10) The author of the Quran, in chapter 4, verse 157, in denied these statements of Jesus, calling Him a liar. Muslims have been calling Jesus a liar ever since.
I find it rather repulsive that after you clearly "cherry" picking quotes and avoiding the otherwise enormous amount of beauty present in the Quran specifically defines you as a Anti-Islamic christian with an agenda. Like I said, and I will repeat, I don't care if you believe in the Quran. I believe in a lot of Christian scripture as the Quran states but I do believe in the oneness of God, the prophethood NOT godhood of Jesus PBUH. End of discussion. You can't convince me otherwise over TH-cam.
Also, I am no scholar of my Quran and it seems that your questions would be better directed to the likes of Dr. Zakir Naik who is all over TH-cam. Go ahead and watch some of his videos, especially the Oxford Union one. Then watch videos from Mufti Menk and Hamza Yusuf. If after that you still have problems with Islam than that's fine. I shouldn't be the one to attract or distract you from Islam. And your welcome to send some Biblical scholars my way.
Make no rational sense is rather harsh for which I apologize. There is a lot of truth with Christianity and as the Quran itself says, the Christians themselves are closest to you. Anyways, closing our scriptures for a second, we both recognize a supreme entity above mankind and that is a strong common ground.
Reza Aslan is presenting himself as "a scholar of history of religion, with a phd" all over in the media and on TV foremost..But the truth is hes has not phd at all in anything even closely tied to history or religion. The only phd he has is in sociology.
My advice to you as (assumably white-western christian) is to look to people who speak Arabic to really find out what the Quran means. Taking a literal translation out of context is exactly what the terrorists are doing as you are clearly doing. Please turn to Nouman Ali Khan, Hamzah Yusuf, Mufti Menk, Tariq Ramadan, Zakir Naik first, see what they preach about Islam. I'm not asking a misinformed christian with negative connotations of Islam to clear things up about my Religion.
Faisal it is obvious that you are not able to refute my points. In all our conversations I have not called you any names and I have not said you are anti anything. I am trying to have an objective rational debate about your religion. I have respected you so far, however, I am still interested in pointing out the objections that I have regarding your faith. When you pointed out objections about christianity I did not call you names or that you are anti christian. So please relax and engage.
Muslims know that they are nobody but they know well that if they can equate Islam with Christinity and put Muhammed on par with Jesus they can lift themselves up . "What an idea, bajji " as the ad goes.
Lastly, how can I believe you are interpreting your own scriptures correctly when you have interpreted what is going in Egypt, Syria etc..as a conflict between Shia and Sunni muslims? If that is what you believe, you have lost what little credibility you had to begin with (sorry if this is insulting).
i challenge aslan to analyze muhammad the same way as he analyze jesus in this talk. how can a conquering warlord, who succumbed to the ways of his age (having a child bride) and had given no proof that he was really a prophet, other than political victory could actually be a prophet? if he did, he would only show that muhammad was politician and dictator, who had some kind of doctrine, and assume special status to claim for authority.
i wonder why christian believe what Jesus never claim!! i wonder why Christians according to bible accepted a faith established by those who murdered Jesus and his followers!! U may believe something from button of ur heart but that doesn't necessarily mean it z true.plz.look ur bible people and ask ur selves what was the core mssges of previous messengers like Noah, Suleiman, Ibrahim .their core message was that to worship our creator alone ..it z logic and as Muslim that is what I believe ...
Faisal, you are misrepresenting christianity, first of all Jesus did not crucify Himself in public demonstration. Jesus was not crucified for saying "love your neighbor" he was crucified because the people thought he was claiming to be God. If Jesus was just saying forgive your enemies, he would not have been killed. Jesus did not kill Himself so you are wrong there. Also because you are not born again you are unable to understand or reconcile the trinity.
ridiculous opinion on why Jesus sent the Leper and concluding it is to follow Jesus to always fight the exploiters of the poor etc. No, he misses the fact that Jesus was the Messiah, the anointed one who came with John the baptists announcement (his entire life was to announce the coming of Christ). The leaders should have been looking for his arrival but missed it, so that is why the leper didn't need the rituals cause the great High priest was of a higher order than Moses!
Is this what you are basing your beliefs on? The video means nothing. As I said answer my previous post questions and then give me objective reasons for believing in a doctrine that encourages child marriage, wife beating (Sura 4:34) and subjugation and the killing of non moslems. Please answer these questions and we can have a meaninful dialogue. Waiting.
You do not know our christian beliefs, the core message of the bible is that we are all sinners and in need of salvation which will help us then to worship the one true God. And that salvation comes through only one person and his name is Jesus Christ. Our sins are not forgiven through Noah or Abraham or Moses, they are only forgiven through JESUS CHRIST which Islam denies. Read the christian bible 1 John 2:22. Since Islam denies the father and the son therefore it is the anti christ religion.
Well said. Its just another way to distract Christians from the Truth. Nice try Reza Aslan, But too weak to shake anything a believer has concreted into.
I will. Personally, I think you have a delusional view on Islam, and I also think that I haven't looked into Christianity appropriately so I respect you asking me to refer to scriptures. However, if you expect me to look into your scriptures, it is only fair that you look into mine. You can type "Dar-us-Salum Holy Quran" as quoted and use that translation as youtube won't let me link. God bless my friend.
Tell me again, how can one be a Christian without following Jesus? What an absurd statement! Where did the term Christian come from? If you don't strive to follow Christ's teachings, you are not a Christian! Meaning, you have to follow Christ's teachings to be a Christian. I know the church has been corrupted for years...but this here is taking it to a new level.
Jesus took it to a new level too. You know exactly what he means. People who call themselves Christians and claim to follow Jesus or are born Christians and claim to follow Jesus...if their actions dont reflect the character of Christ then they are not following Jesus, not truly. Its not through the mouth only but through the heart also. Good Deeds are an expression of Love, of the belief in the Love of Christ. It is by Grace, by the love of God that one is saved. Faith and works are the expressions of that love. They are all connected and if one doesnt exist the others dont exist either. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. It is extreme but it is extreme love=based not word or dogma based. Its spiritual and it is expressed live. Many people who are born in other religions or faiths can be more Christian then the Christian on paper, simply because they are genuine lovers of Christ whose only reason not to have been baptized into Christianity is/was that they were raised differently. If they were born into a christian society these people would be the true christians. It is not so hard to grasp.
Faisal first of all you are wrong in saying that Jesus crucified himself in a public demonstration. Once again you are misrepresenting christianity. Look, Jesus was not killed for saying love thy neighbor or forgive your enemies. He was killed because the authorities thought He was claiming to be God. I suppose moslems are the only ones who simply do not get it. If anyone is delusional is you, you are following a man who never claimed to be a prophet in the quran.
"-of examples are the sons/daughters of Adam and Eve (Genesis 4), Abraham marrying his half-sister Sarah (Genesis 20:12), Lot and his daughters (Genesis 19), Moses’ father Amram who married his aunt Jochebed (Exodus 6:20), and David’s son Amnon with his half-sister Tamar (2 Samuel 13)". There is incest in scriptures, does that mean that Christianity promotes incest? I'm not stupid enough to make that point like you are making about Islam promoting all these disgusting acts.
I wonder its called tolerance or Naiveness or an attempt to please others.. or to create some kinda image in public. Eitherways.. Someone who don't accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God & demeans Jesus' position as mere magician/Exorcist/prophet should clearly be put out of the Pulpit. He could be welcome to debate not for sermons. Its absolutely WRONG from Church's part. Its a Shame to the Church.
Submitting to Christ means Christianity to you thats fine, however that doesn't mean it means Christianity to another Christian even. Secondly, I don't see how that helps me, I don't need Islam to see that most of Christianity makes no rational sense. Hence many Biblical scholars turning to atheism. Bart D. Ehrman. John W. Loftus. Dr. Robert Price to name a few, all people who have been studying scriptures all their lives turning to atheism.
If anything Islam is more respectful towards Jesus. God essentially says, "Why would I kill my own prophet?" I put another man there and brought him to me in the heavens. Look at true followers of Islam. If anything we follow Jesus Christ better by obstaining from alcohol, adultery, pork etc, you christians simply say I just need to believe in Christ. No one is forcing you to believe in the truth which is Islam.
I urge you to look into real Islamic scholars such as Dr. Zakir Naik (M.D,P.H.D has a P.H.D. in comparitive religions, has most all of the hindi scriptures, Bible, Torah, Quran memorized), Mufti Menk , Dr. Hamzah Yusuf, , Dr. Tariq Ramadan, etc etc.
Brilliant, thank you Reza you are truly the follower of Jesus!
Obviously people are not actually watching the video. Reza makes a better case for Jesus than most.
I am watching this while I am reading his book. Honestly, his preaching is touching and profound. :)
the message is clear. thank you reza azlan.
Did all the people who are upset and screaming about Reza Aslan talking about Jesus actually watch the video? Because Dr. Aslan hasn't said a single thing that is negative about Jesus or Christianity.
Faisal you asked the question ".Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross, when the one on the cross was shouting "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" according to Matthew 27:45 and Mark 15:33?" The death of Jesus was prophesied in the Old Testament. When Jesus shouted "My God, my God why have you forsaken me?" he was fulfilling the prophecy in Psalm 22:1. Jesus died in our behalf to fulfill God's justice. Now that is the power of Love. Look at John 3:16. Peace.
I am the daughter of a preacher. I found this sermon touching, and beautifully delivered by Mr, Aslan. By the way, Christians that enjoy all those historical TV shows on the Bible, Moses, Jesus,etc should know, that most Biblical scholars shown on those shows do not call themselves Christians, like Mr. Aslan, they mostly study the Bible, The Torah and other religious books from a historical perspective
Not true. Non-Muslims are allowed to enter mosques as long as they respect the rules like being barefoot, sitting on the floor etc. My grandmother's funeral in Arizona was attended by a lot of Christians, and Hindus. One of her pall bearers was a Lutheran minister who is very close to our family.
Aslan holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in religions from Santa Clara University, a Master of Theological Studies degree from Harvard Divinity School, and a Master of Fine Arts degree from the University of Iowa's Writers' Workshop, where he was named the Truman Capote Fellow in Fiction. Aslan also received a Doctor of Philosophy in Sociology, focusing in the history of religion, from the University of California, Santa Barbara...and he wrote a book on Jesus PBUH. What credentials do you have?
Aslan holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in religions from Santa Clara University, a Master of Theological Studies degree from Harvard Divinity School, and a Master of Fine Arts degree from the University of Iowa's Writers' Workshop, where he was named the Truman Capote Fellow in Fiction. Aslan also received a Doctor of Philosophy in Sociology, focusing in the history of religion, from the University of California, Santa Barbara.[7][8][9]. What are your credentials?
"...allowed to Pulpit to PREACH to Believers who believe Jesus as their Savior & Son of God?? "
Those who truly believe Jesus as their Saviour and Son of God would never allow a Muslim or a non Christian to preach to them. This shows what some churches are upto.
Biblical truths - spiritual truths -are absulute and not debatable.
Just wait ...until the Lord returns.
Also the crucifixion is largely disproven by pondering Luke 24:1-8, Mark 15:40-47, Mark 16:1-8, John 19:38-42, John 20:1-29.
Not what many Christians say. So what should I believe according to you? Which Bible do I believe?NIV,NVT,ESV,NASB,KJB,HCSB,AKJ,ASV or ERV? Should I be evangelical, protestant, catholic what? Do I believe in the Trinity or what?
1.6 BILLIONS OF MUSLIMS LOVE JESUS AND YET THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIAN!
Faisal, I have a quran at my desk on the job that i refer to all the time. Mine is the one translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. So as you can see I am definitely looking into your scriptures and I appreciate the fact that you said you will look into mine. One question though why do you say I have a "delusional view" on Islam ? I'd like to know what your reasons are and then may be I can clarify some points to you. Peace.
i am a muslim ...i love jesus and mohammed and jesus are equal to us ...we don't differenciate
Faisal I do not know what you mean by version but if you mean we have over 20 different translations then I must say that you are wrong on that. We have one translation and people put these translations in a linguistic style that makes it easier for them to read the bible. Having different stylistic approach to the scriptures does not mean that the message has changed. Peace
I did not say Islam is demanding anyone to beat their wives. However, this is what the verse says quote" As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds (and last) beat them (lightly): but if they return to obedience, do not seek against them means(of annoyance for God is Most High". In this verse there is no where where it says "under extreme situation" you are adding that to the verse. Your agument is weak here.
I respect your opinions and your decision not to engage in any further discussions of this issue. Wish you well.
Faisal please read John 5:23. Peace.
Jesus made him pure, dude said it, like jesus does for all that come to him, nuff said
and by the way "beat them" lightly Sura 4:34 is not found in Topkapi manuscript. It is just a later addition in order to appeal to western audiences who will find such a verse in the quran disturbing. Peace.
Powerful historical exegetical and hermeneutics between OT and NT texts. Beautiful explained and applied.
Sura 4:34 Sura 9:5, Sura 9:29, Sura 9:30
Faisal you asked "If God had wanted to save us, couldn’t He have done that without sacrificing Jesus?" God could do anything but sin has to be punished in order for God to be a perfect God. The answer to your question is that God wants to save us very very much that is why He gave His only unique son JESUS so that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. I urge you to read John 3:16-18. Peace.
Go to the ABN SAT Channel and you'll find 4 videos which shed a great deal of light on Aslan's credibility as a scholar of historical Jesus.
Tit
The issue religions in general are having, and this isn't singular to Islam, is that everytime something bad happens, people say that those followers misinterpreted the Bible, or the Quran, or (insert scripture here) but I am going to say, just as many have, that the middle east has a large populace of Islamic extremists in the midst of "mainstream" muslims.
Google "Reza Alsan" and "Jimmy Akin" to find a good article on things to consider about Zealot.
Faisal I must tell you that I like our dialogue, hopefully we will all learn to get along even if we disagree on religious doctrine. Now to answer your question, God is Almighty and a perfect God. All His qualities demand that He does everything perfectly, which means He is also a God of justice so He must punish sin. He has to punish sin in order to remain perfect, either He kills all of us for our sins or He comes up with another way and He chose to sacrifice His own son for us........
Continuing from my previous post God sacrificed His own son for us because He loves us so much. Please see John 3:16. Thanks
liband773 you did not answer any of the questions that I raised in my last post. I do not know if you did not understand what I said or what. Please look at my last post to you and answer my questions before I will continue this dialogue with you. Thanks
Hmm, so what denomination of Christianity are you? Where in the bible does it say the Jesus is a "Prophet" or even a "Son of God" since we are taking down literal translations? Prophet/Messenger in my eye's same thing. There isn't a literal translation of the word "Prophet" from Arabic to English but anyhow some questions to you my friend:
There are scholars who will gladly interpret 4:34 for you such as Nouman Ali Khan. It called Tafsir, you can Type Tafsir of Surah so and so in youtube to have a scholar explain it to you. The literal translation is one thing but the quran is written in the most complex form of Arabic period, and some "Tafsirs" can last months to explain in depth what the Quran is saying. Which is what I am currently doing. God bless man.
Why does the Catholic Bible contain 73 books while the Protestant Bible has only 66? With both claiming to have the complete Word of God, which one should be believed and why?
Where do those new translations of the Bible keep coming from when the original Bible is not even available ? The Greek manuscripts which are translations themselves are not even similar with each other.How can you take two gospels from writers who never met Jesus, like Mark and Luke?
15. If it was agreeable with God’s Majesty to have sons, He could have created a million sons the like of Jesus. So what is the big clear deal about this only son?
16.Why does the Bible say that Jesus wanted to die on the cross, when the one on the cross was shouting "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" according to Matthew 27:45 and Mark 15:33?
17. If God had wanted to save us, couldn’t He have done that without sacrificing Jesus?
Amen & Amen ! Tell it brother. Tell it to the Christians who are so out of track to welcome a Jesus Denier to preach on Jesus. Just like in the days of Adam & Eve.
this is just short sample of the lyrics of the 2nd track of my latest Gospel album:
It's Raining Jesus! Hallelujah! - It's Raining Jesus! Amen!
I'm gonna go out to run and let myself get
Absolutely soaking wet!
It's Raining Jesus! Hallelujah!
It's Raining Jesus! Every Specimen!
Tall, blonde, dark and lean, like a surfer dude
Rough and tough and strong and mean
Faisal I don't want to bother you but I think I should comment on your statement about wife beating which you said "The arabic word used to depict "beating" in this case, is analogous to beating someone with a handkerchief." And here is my point, why beat at all. Whether you beat by a feather or a handkerchief is not the issue, the question is why beat a person( your wife),you claim to love. I quoted you the verse I did not pull it out of context. Just ponder these things a little bit. Peace.
By the way, the Quran absolutely prohibits incestuous relationships.
How is this commonifying him? Jesus was a political feature as well as being the son of God. He is talking about the half-human part of him, the part that took in and helped the sick, the weak and the unempowered. That's a huge political statement in the Roman Empire. He was crucified due to sedition/treason being hung on the cross with the title of King of the Jews.
Aslan is not gay and his wife is a Christian. Also, you're not being a good follower of jesus by insulting the unempowered gays.
19. People sacrifice things they have to get something they don’t have when they can’t have both. Christians say that "God SACRIFICED His only son to save us". We know that God is Almighty; to whom did He sacrifice Jesus?
have u ever see a Muslim saying bad things about Jesus?...if yap share with me ....in fact i can't be a Muslim if i reject any of these noble men like Jesus, moses, ibrahimetc ....etc ...PEACE AND BLESSING BE UPON THEM ALL
Please look at Matthew 27:43, Luke 22:70, John 10:36, John 11:4. These scriptures clearly demonstrate that Jesus is calling Himself the "Son of God". Please look at these scriptures and bring your questions. Peace.
13:30. Thus have We sent you (O Muhammad ) to a community before whom other communities have passed away, in order that you might recite unto them what We have inspired to you, while they disbelieve in the Most Beneficient (Allah) Say: "He is my Lord! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He)! In Him is my trust, and to Him will be my return with repentance."
Umair you said "I wouldn't have said that" my question is I wouldn't have said what ? Once again please tell me where in the quran does your "prophet" Mohammed himself says "I am a prophet of allah" please show me the sura and the verse. I have a quran at my desk on the job so please quote me the sura and the verse. I am waiting. I am not asking you to quote from any hadiths just the quran. If you are not able to do that then don't ask me to quote you where Jesus says I am God worship me.
If Jesus was not divine then his willingness to suffer for the message was divine and even more impressive since a human Jesus would have no safety net
Furthermore, the controversies you speak of aren't really relevant in our discussion because they are using their interpretations to condone violence which a completely separate debate. We are speaking of the controversies on very fundamental aspects of Christianity. I know Christianity is a peaceful just as Islam is peaceful. I don't know what "Shia", "Sunni" conflicts you speak of, those conflicts are very political (i.e the people disagree with the government". What news do you watch?
You moslems are always asking the question where did Jesus say " I am God worship me". That is a wrong question to ask. Instead just as you moslems look at the life of Mohammed and say he is a prophet, we christians look at the life of Jesus and say He is God. Applying the same analysis, where in the quran does Mohammed himself say I am a prophet, there is no where in the quran where he says that yet you accept him as a prophet. The same logic applies to JESUS CHRIST when it comes to His deity.
2 of 2: Let me give you an example. If your wife comes home and is cussing at you, slandering you, saying you are a useless husband etc, getting into a accusatory argument the Quran tells you in 4:34 how to handle it. It says, " admonish them (first)". After you have "admonished" your wife and she continues to do the aforementioned then, " (next), refuse to share their beds". Then, if your wife is still doing the aforementioned then, "(and last) beat them (lightly)".
Lots of Pharisees in the comment section who are denying what Christ stood for by trying to hold on to power and wealth. Jesus was not for Wealth. Deal with it.
to correct u ..koran is not words of muhamed but it z direct words of god ...i am feeling that u never read the koran. besides prophet is human being like us ..but god is the creator every thing in universe so it z kinda weird to compare god and prophet. any way wanna share with u 5 minuts clip 1 chapter of koran reading with eng-subtitle and look by ur seld if these are mohamed's words or our creator! /watch?v=fI7B2AhMl3I thankz
The fact of the matter taomeano whoever you are is there are over 20 versions of the Bible and much controversy between your own teachings amongst mainstream Christians when there is very little controversy amongst mainstream Muslims. Our book is memorized word for word even by people as little as three years of age. No book is as preserved as the Quran. I can't think of one person who has the Bible memorized, when there are millions of people with the Quran memorized. It's protected.
You still haven't proven how Egypt and Syria is reduced to simply Shia and Sunni warfare. If you have trouble comprehending this, then just type Syrian civil war in google. Furthermore, I wasn't referring to radical Christians having discrepencies, I was focused on civilized, western, mainstream Christians who differ on critical Issue's. And this debate is going no where...focus on your scriptures and check your sources. Look to western Islamic scholars to paint your pictures on Islam.
It's rather ludicrous to debate such issue's on youtube comments of which thousands of scholars have spent large amounts of time with so with that in mind, I won't comment on those issue's which I might add, include politics as well as religion. There are several famous Oxford Union debates that may help you to clear up those Issue's on whether or not Islam is a Peaceful Religion.
13:19. Shall he then who knows that what has been revealed unto you (O Muhammad ) from your Lord is the truth be like him who is blind? But it is only the men of understanding that pay heed.
Abstaining from alcohol,adultery pork etc does not mean that you are following Jesus better than somebody else. There are atheists who abstain from alcohol, adultery, pork etc but do not follow Jesus, so your point there is not accurate. There are a lot of people who do not drink alcohol commit adultery or eat pork but that does not mean that they follow Jesus. Following Jesus has nothing to do with eating pork. Following Jesus means He is your Lord and you have comitted your life to Him.
*"Preacher's Daughter" (spell check) :-)
i believe this/that doesn't necessarily mean fact...at this date there are people who worship idles and see it as god!! ..but any way i would be happy if you show me a direct quote from bible were jesus said (i am god or worship me)..also logicically how can jesus create his own mother..no child ever produce his own mother!! besides jesus was jew living palestine why jews reject him till today but Roman idle worshippers accept him ...plz i advice u to make little research about ur faith
Reza says Jesus was a Jew. But Zakir Naik says Jesus was a Muslim . Who is right?
They both right.
Also it appears to me you are saying christianity is a cult mythology, please provide your evidence. Making assertions without evidence is empty rhetoric. No serious historian will tell you that christianity is a cult mythology. The church fathers such as Mara Bar Serapion, Pliny the younger, Justin Matyr and even a disciple of the apostle John who walked with Jesus called Polycarp, all attest to the historicity of the gospels. once again provide your evidence for the cult mythology assertion.
Furthermore, it is rather non-sensical to go into a scriptural debate over TH-cam. You keep sighting "beating your wife" and you don't seem to understand the clear and cohesive explanation I have given you that as a tertiary intervention, force may be allowed (i.e if a women is rude to you first tell her. Then if that doesn't solve the problem don't lay next to her. Then if that doesn't solve the problem you can use light force. It doesn't promote wife beating.
157. And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Iesa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:
What? Above is verse 157. Chapter 4.
A comprehensive 2009 demographic study of 232 countries and territories reported that 23% of the global population, or 1.57 billion people, are Muslims. Of those, it's estimated over 75-90% are Sunni and 10-20% are Shi'a,[11][199][211] with a small minority belonging to other sects. Why don't you type Islam into wikipedia and read up on Islam first.
Yes but we are talking religion here so bringing in atheists is irrelevant. Firstly, the Quran teaches us that Jesus is a messenger like Muhammad and we hold him in the highest regard, even going so far as to say that it is blasphemous to depict pictures of Jesus PBUH. Next, my point with bringing up abstinence from said sins (pork, alcohol etc) is that, we Muslims if anything are adhering more so to the teachings of christ than a lot of Christians are plain and simple.
Faisal news from today's New York Times"Car bombs exploded with catastrophic force outside two Sunni mosques in this northern Lebanon city on Friday as many worshipers were leaving prayers, killing dozens of people and wounding hundreds. The bombings were a major escalation of sectarian violence in Lebanon, a country deeply unsettled by the conflict in neighboring Syria, and reinforced fears that the Middle East could be plunging into unbridled Sunni vs. Shiite warfare. See what I am saying ?
ALL u Christians ...our lord is one lord, he has no wife nor son, he is not equal to his creation , he is all powerful, forgiving and merciful ....accept him or reject him...at the end of the day we all return to him ....and than u will know who was right and who was wrong!!..I AM A MUSLIM... I don't worship Mohamed... i only worship who created me. I ask help and forgiveness to him ...Indeed he is GOD of Ibrahim, Moses Jesus and Mohamed ....
So a Historian who believes/demeans Jesus as a mere one of the many Magician/Exorcist/Prophet should be allowed to Pulpit to PREACH to Believers who believe Jesus as their Savior & Son of God?? Wow... Dear Praecher's Daughter... We the believers need to really pay attention to the Intentions/Faith of a Speaker not just the candy talk. Shalom.
Muslims claim to love Jesus, but they do not.
Jesus said: "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:28) and "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." (1 John 4:10)
The author of the Quran, in chapter 4, verse 157, in denied these statements of Jesus, calling Him a liar. Muslims have been calling Jesus a liar ever since.
I find it rather repulsive that after you clearly "cherry" picking quotes and avoiding the otherwise enormous amount of beauty present in the Quran specifically defines you as a Anti-Islamic christian with an agenda. Like I said, and I will repeat, I don't care if you believe in the Quran. I believe in a lot of Christian scripture as the Quran states but I do believe in the oneness of God, the prophethood NOT godhood of Jesus PBUH. End of discussion. You can't convince me otherwise over TH-cam.
Also, I am no scholar of my Quran and it seems that your questions would be better directed to the likes of Dr. Zakir Naik who is all over TH-cam. Go ahead and watch some of his videos, especially the Oxford Union one. Then watch videos from Mufti Menk and Hamza Yusuf. If after that you still have problems with Islam than that's fine. I shouldn't be the one to attract or distract you from Islam. And your welcome to send some Biblical scholars my way.
Make no rational sense is rather harsh for which I apologize. There is a lot of truth with Christianity and as the Quran itself says, the Christians themselves are closest to you. Anyways, closing our scriptures for a second, we both recognize a supreme entity above mankind and that is a strong common ground.
Reza Aslan is presenting himself as "a scholar of history of religion, with a phd" all over in the media and on TV foremost..But the truth is hes has not phd at all in anything even closely tied to history or religion. The only phd he has is in sociology.
My advice to you as (assumably white-western christian) is to look to people who speak Arabic to really find out what the Quran means. Taking a literal translation out of context is exactly what the terrorists are doing as you are clearly doing. Please turn to Nouman Ali Khan, Hamzah Yusuf, Mufti Menk, Tariq Ramadan, Zakir Naik first, see what they preach about Islam. I'm not asking a misinformed christian with negative connotations of Islam to clear things up about my Religion.
Faisal it is obvious that you are not able to refute my points. In all our conversations I have not called you any names and I have not said you are anti anything. I am trying to have an objective rational debate about your religion. I have respected you so far, however, I am still interested in pointing out the objections that I have regarding your faith. When you pointed out objections about christianity I did not call you names or that you are anti christian. So please relax and engage.
Those who are familiar with Islam and the mindset of Muslims ask this question "how much did Aslan get from Saudi Wahabi's"
Muslims know that they are nobody but they know well that if they can equate Islam with Christinity and put Muhammed on par with Jesus they can lift themselves up . "What an idea, bajji " as the ad goes.
Lastly, how can I believe you are interpreting your own scriptures correctly when you have interpreted what is going in Egypt, Syria etc..as a conflict between Shia and Sunni muslims? If that is what you believe, you have lost what little credibility you had to begin with (sorry if this is insulting).
someone with a handkerchief.
i challenge aslan to analyze muhammad the same way as he analyze jesus in this talk. how can a conquering warlord, who succumbed to the ways of his age (having a child bride) and had given no proof that he was really a prophet, other than political victory could actually be a prophet? if he did, he would only show that muhammad was politician and dictator, who had some kind of doctrine, and assume special status to claim for authority.
Anglican... bahh
i wonder why christian believe what Jesus never claim!! i wonder why Christians according to bible accepted a faith established by those who murdered Jesus and his followers!! U may believe something from button of ur heart but that doesn't necessarily mean it z true.plz.look ur bible people and ask ur selves what was the core mssges of previous messengers like Noah, Suleiman, Ibrahim .their core message was that to worship our creator alone ..it z logic and as Muslim that is what I believe ...
tom holland's? i have.
Your post is too funny about Reza Aslan being sent straight get his 72 virgins. I totally agree with you.
did you ever read Quran !!!!!?????
if yes you wouldnt have said that.
Watch the life of Prophet Muhammad produced by the BBC.
Great. Now its time for Muslims to reciprocate the goodwill
Faisal, you are misrepresenting christianity, first of all Jesus did not crucify Himself in public demonstration. Jesus was not crucified for saying "love your neighbor" he was crucified because the people thought he was claiming to be God. If Jesus was just saying forgive your enemies, he would not have been killed. Jesus did not kill Himself so you are wrong there. Also because you are not born again you are unable to understand or reconcile the trinity.
ridiculous opinion on why Jesus sent the Leper and concluding it is to follow Jesus to always fight the exploiters of the poor etc. No, he misses the fact that Jesus was the Messiah, the anointed one who came with John the baptists announcement (his entire life was to announce the coming of Christ). The leaders should have been looking for his arrival but missed it, so that is why the leper didn't need the rituals cause the great High priest was of a higher order than Moses!
Is this what you are basing your beliefs on? The video means nothing. As I said answer my previous post questions and then give me objective reasons for believing in a doctrine that encourages child marriage, wife beating (Sura 4:34) and subjugation and the killing of non moslems. Please answer these questions and we can have a meaninful dialogue. Waiting.
You do not know our christian beliefs, the core message of the bible is that we are all sinners and in need of salvation which will help us then to worship the one true God. And that salvation comes through only one person and his name is Jesus Christ. Our sins are not forgiven through Noah or Abraham or Moses, they are only forgiven through JESUS CHRIST which Islam denies. Read the christian bible 1 John 2:22. Since Islam denies the father and the son therefore it is the anti christ religion.
Well said. Its just another way to distract Christians from the Truth. Nice try Reza Aslan, But too weak to shake anything a believer has concreted into.
I will. Personally, I think you have a delusional view on Islam, and I also think that I haven't looked into Christianity appropriately so I respect you asking me to refer to scriptures. However, if you expect me to look into your scriptures, it is only fair that you look into mine.
You can type "Dar-us-Salum Holy Quran" as quoted and use that translation as youtube won't let me link. God bless my friend.
Tell me again, how can one be a Christian without following Jesus? What an absurd statement! Where did the term Christian come from? If you don't strive to follow Christ's teachings, you are not a Christian! Meaning, you have to follow Christ's teachings to be a Christian.
I know the church has been corrupted for years...but this here is taking it to a new level.
Jesus took it to a new level too. You know exactly what he means. People who call themselves Christians and claim to follow Jesus or are born Christians and claim to follow Jesus...if their actions dont reflect the character of Christ then they are not following Jesus, not truly. Its not through the mouth only but through the heart also. Good Deeds are an expression of Love, of the belief in the Love of Christ. It is by Grace, by the love of God that one is saved. Faith and works are the expressions of that love. They are all connected and if one doesnt exist the others dont exist either. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. It is extreme but it is extreme love=based not word or dogma based. Its spiritual and it is expressed live. Many people who are born in other religions or faiths can be more Christian then the Christian on paper, simply because they are genuine lovers of Christ whose only reason not to have been baptized into Christianity is/was that they were raised differently. If they were born into a christian society these people would be the true christians. It is not so hard to grasp.
Dont people knows that Jesus luuuuuuvz them ????
Faisal first of all you are wrong in saying that Jesus crucified himself in a public demonstration. Once again you are misrepresenting christianity. Look, Jesus was not killed for saying love thy neighbor or forgive your enemies. He was killed because the authorities thought He was claiming to be God. I suppose moslems are the only ones who simply do not get it. If anyone is delusional is you, you are following a man who never claimed to be a prophet in the quran.
"-of examples are the sons/daughters of Adam and Eve (Genesis 4), Abraham marrying his half-sister Sarah (Genesis 20:12), Lot and his daughters (Genesis 19), Moses’ father Amram who married his aunt Jochebed (Exodus 6:20), and David’s son Amnon with his half-sister Tamar (2 Samuel 13)". There is incest in scriptures, does that mean that Christianity promotes incest? I'm not stupid enough to make that point like you are making about Islam promoting all these disgusting acts.
I wonder its called tolerance or Naiveness or an attempt to please others.. or to create some kinda image in public. Eitherways.. Someone who don't accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God & demeans Jesus' position as mere magician/Exorcist/prophet should clearly be put out of the Pulpit. He could be welcome to debate not for sermons. Its absolutely WRONG from Church's part. Its a Shame to the Church.
Submitting to Christ means Christianity to you thats fine, however that doesn't mean it means Christianity to another Christian even. Secondly, I don't see how that helps me, I don't need Islam to see that most of Christianity makes no rational sense. Hence many Biblical scholars turning to atheism. Bart D. Ehrman. John W. Loftus. Dr. Robert Price to name a few, all people who have been studying scriptures all their lives turning to atheism.
If anything Islam is more respectful towards Jesus. God essentially says, "Why would I kill my own prophet?" I put another man there and brought him to me in the heavens. Look at true followers of Islam. If anything we follow Jesus Christ better by obstaining from alcohol, adultery, pork etc, you christians simply say I just need to believe in Christ. No one is forcing you to believe in the truth which is Islam.
I urge you to look into real Islamic scholars such as Dr. Zakir Naik (M.D,P.H.D has a P.H.D. in comparitive religions, has most all of the hindi scriptures, Bible, Torah, Quran memorized), Mufti Menk , Dr. Hamzah Yusuf, , Dr. Tariq Ramadan, etc etc.