If you teach someone to lie in the execution of their job, they will lie, and start to normalize lying. This can bleed over into other aspects of their job (paperwork, testimony) and their everyday life. The lies continue into the courts. 'Take the guilty plea, it's easier and won't mess with you for the rest of your life." - How about instead of teaching them to lie, you teach them the law?
When you look at what it takes to become a cop and uphold the law vs becoming a fireman or nurse.... It doesn't make any sense that they get to tell the public what the laws are and how you, presumably, broke it. You are better of asking a nurse about the law than asking about it from a cop.
@@datasailor8132 I would say that the real reason most of them are divorced, is the physical and mental abuse they subject their 'significant others' to. Since when the spouse/partner reports it, the responding 'brothers in blue' WILL always support their badge wearing brother, and at a minimum, look the other way, or arrest the person making the call, for "filing a false report', or abusing 911.
Or you could have your city council abolish the contract between the police union and the cities. We already have marshals sherrifs deputies private security and 2A.
@@3rdFloorblog even after your lawyer arrives you keep your mouth shut and only answer if your lawyer tells you that it is ok to answer the question. Then, when you answer, keep your answers short with no elaboration.
@@jonathanmcmullen3324 the easy answer to that question is; "while I know that I am innocent of this crime, there are many innocent people in prison. My lawyer is here to protect me and my rights. Next question please."
@@doctortow6244 do that and they'll try to say you waived the right you just asserted & everything you say between the time you assert your rights & a lawyer actually arriving is fair game. Just look back at the video about the guy saying, "lawyer dawg," and they just played dumb acting like they didn't know what the guy was saying/asking for. And the courts backed their bullshit up. It's fucking ridiculous.
Thank you for sharing this problem. I used to work as a security guard for high rise buildings, and police would get mad at us for not “bending the truth” when taking reports about crimes (mostly homeless or mentally impaired folks) we had witnessed. They just assumed we’d say whatever was useful to get the accused locked up… very sad and eye opening.
I was on a jury and a security officer was testifying about a shoplifting case. The defense brought up some exculpatory evidence. that the security officer had been informed of. The defense asked why this wasn't included in the security officer's report. The security officer said "It's my job to get evidence to support a conviction, not help the suspect." I guess the actual truth is irrelevant.
As an expat kiwi living in Europe... my observation is In NZ and Europe allowing Police to lie devalues the status of police in society. It makes police less trustworthy in the eyes of the public. So at least in Europe they are not allowed to lie.
and yet they still do. my mentally disabled brother got questioned after a complaint of him being agresssive to someone without a lawyer. or notice to his legal guardian.
@@elaineandjohn9599you shouldn't, but there is much propoganda. Didn't you have police coming by and taking about how wonderful the police were in elementary school? And ask those TV shows where they are unmitigated heros?
@@admthrawnuru while I do like/love some police shows, they infuriate me as well as they are an indoctrination to allowing the cops to trample your rights. Detective searches without a warrant, have to find some way to keep that "scummy low life lawyer from hiding the truth that the jury needs"
How about allowing police to lie if they include a warning in Miranda " you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. We have the right to lie to you and provide false information. You have the right to an attorney..." I wonder how many attorneys would be requested at that point :)
Not just the courts. There have been studies published that show that jurors tend to hold a cops testimony in higher regard than the testimony of non-police officers. I think that the defense council should legally be allowed to introduce a cop's personnel file as evidence of that cop's history of bad behavior.
@@doctortow6244 + the fact that police lie VERY FREQUENTLY should be allowed into testimony by expert witnesses called by the Defense. See if that affects jury confidence in police testimony! IMO, also ALL Defense attys. should ask ALL police, "Have you EVER lied to ANY suspect, witness, etc.? ARE YOU LYING TODAY?" Wouldn't that be allowable on the basis of the expert witness testimony? LOL, let's see if the police will lie under oath about lying!
@@musicloverme3993 police are allowed to lie to suspects during interogation. So it wouldn't be a big revelation that they lie. You could possibly use that to impeach their integrity on the stand. I don't know how much good it would do, but it's worth a shot.
When you are innocent, everyone but your attorney in that interrogation room is your enemy. They will pretend to be your friend, they will pretend to see things from your side. When they lock you up, they get to go home, whether you are innocent or not.
Most, and I mean most cops are power trippers an adrenaline junkie ‘s, who else with sign up for a job to regulate the dregs of society only to watch them turned loose a short time later? it’s like a cat chasing its own tail , one would have to conclude that they are not very intelligent , or they just enjoy the chase over and over ...most cops rely on the law and force standing behind them , just measure their demeanor the next time you have an encounter with one in even a simple traffic stop. they are always forceful and imposing, I have been around long enough that I know this was not the way policing was done 30 and 40 years ago , they have been turned into a military force and our rights have been removed under the guise of stopping criminals. They are always turned loose and everything is regulated because of them i.e. guns, why should I have my gun rights regulated to keep criminals from purchasing or obtaining. guns it makes no sense? if someone is a danger to society and they might pick up a gun (because they’re violent) they should be in prison for a long time! Not regulate everyone else has gun rights to keep them from getting a gun of course we all understand the deep state wants exactly this and that is what they have done in the name of public safety which they could care less about or criminals would be in prison.
@Jess Yess Once you talk to a lawyer, they will tell you not to talk to the police. Any lawyer that tells you that you should talk to the police should be fired at once. If you have an easily checked alibi or any exculpatory information, let your attorney present that information.
I saw a video once where a professor went over the same subject about talking to the police. Once of the biggest talking points I remember from the video was to remember that 'anything you say can and WILL be used against you.' Not FOR you, but AGAINST you.
A lot of it is. Not the "whole justice system" though. As flawed as it is, at least our system gives people a CHANCE at justice. For pretty much the entire history of the world, the little guy had NO CHANCE. But today, in America, the little guy has something they never had before: a chance. So yes, our system is fcked. But do not take the position that it is entirely a "corrupt mess" because that's just not so.
@@xs10z you are right it could be worse but it is definitely more corrupt than not. There is no way for it to be flawless even with the best of intentions because humans are involved. It definitely needs a lot of work though. 🙂👍
Came here to say it needs to be the same standard. I see that others already have that opinion as well. Instead lets talk about why this is true. First culturally, this attitude is axiomatic. We already by and large hold the cops "to a higher standard" in our minds. Im not speaking to what legal standards they are actually held to. Im talking about how the public views the standard to which police are held. Common expressions like "they ought to be doubly accountable for things wrong that they do" or if they mess up we ought to throw the book at them, blah blah blah. If they steal stuff it ought to be life in prison because they are cops, rabble rabble rabble. This does actually spill over into the legal sphere as well l, as there ARE special laws on the books for cops who break the law. The cops know these laws because they are told them in training. They CAN be given special sentences and charges for breaking the law in relation to their job and in some cases simply because they are a police officer. How often this is applied to cops who are caught breaking the law, thats a totally different conversation. What im saying is that the perception of a "higher standard" exists. So what does this mean? Well when you take a group of people and you dress them differently than the general public and put them in positions of responsibility that come with a fairly broad and high level of authority and socially permitted use of power and force on people, and most importantly a poisition that is inherently adversarial and typically involves interacting with the general public in usually situations that have some great negative aspect, then you impress on them and the public echoes this sentiment that you are held to "a higher standard" and that they are subject to a greater penalty in case of bad acts or malfeasance than the average person. What happens to the culture of such a social entitity? Well its not surprising that it would become such that the members of such an entity would think of themselves as better than others, if held to a "higher standard" they must be better. If they are better, then they deserve more than others. They eventually come to think that they are literally above the laws that others are subject to. This monster we have is one of our own creation. You cant abdicate your power to someone and expect that they wont use it. The very nature of the arrangement leads invariably to that eventuality. Police services need to be depowered and resructured. The defund the police movement eas a huge stupid virtue signal. It was literally just fuel on the fire. They said NOTHING about civil asset forfiture which is a HUGE portion of the budgets of large police departments. Cutting the budgets of departments from state funding is meaningless when a small team of officers can literally fund a department for a year in a few months work or less by just pulling people over and taking their cash and bank cards and pulling the money off them. Which is being done. They can find a poor kid that is selling drugs on the street, and seize the house and vehicles of the grandparents whom he lives with even though they had nothing to do with the sale of drugs. These are presumed to be legal and justified seizures and the guaranteed unless the owners can PROVE innocence in a "special" court. This allows large departments to basically provide their own funding. And its largely unregulated as its proceeds of crime, that the state basically returns to them wholesale with very little oversight and regulation. Its nearly off the books. I mean its on a book but theres very little independnent control of it . Most of it ends up in discretionary funds. You want to reign in police departments and defund and depower them, take away civil asset forfiture without criminal conviction, limit it to assests directly associated with the comission of the convicted crimes, and then ear mark 80% for non police uses. If there were crimes, then victims need to be compensated. Hint if there were no victims, there very likely wasnt a crime. This is how you do true police reform.
@@metamorphicorder I agree with much of your position. Where I diverge from your post is in saying police need to be "de-powered". My contention is we have had so many "There needs to be a law" on minor things, due to intolerance by the public, we enabled politicians to pass a massive number of disparate, selectively enforced laws over time. Police are low man on the totem pole, tasked with enforcing these laws and take the brunt of frustration expressed by citizens. This leads to more us verses them, when they (in most cases) did not initiate or advocate for these laws. Many laws are designed to generate revenue, not solve a problem. Others are political tools that do not address a problem or address an miniscule problem with a sledgehammer. We waste billions turning police into tax collectors, while serious crimes, including white collar crimes as well as violent crimes, go unanswered. Next, I would say it's not the power, but the judicious use of that power police have a direct responsibility to wield. How to oversee that aspect becomes an issue to solve. My question is, "Who is watching the police?" With Qualified Immunity, you remove a potentially big stick, yet there is a need for it, to a certain extent. The FBI is next to useless in this area. There is a cost to oversight; financially, politically an culturally. I completely agree with you on Asset Forfeiture. Until we recognize there are 3 problems, not just the police, but politicians and ourselves, you may solve one, but you'll exacerbate another. Meanwhile, we are a nation of laws...poorly written and selectively enforced.
My dad told me from when I was 10, especially as I was a teenager. You give your name, address, phone number, and then ask for a lawyer and that's it. If I'm being asked questions about what I've been doing, don't answer. He drilled it into my head not to answer questions from authority figures without counsel.
SCOTUS update: when you refuse to answer further questions explicitly state you are invoking the fifth amendment. The STUPID SCOTUS ruled silence can be used to presume guilt. PS Yes, they are stupid. Prove me wrong.
@@blargblarg5657 Jay Leno read (on air) an account of a guy that applied to be a cop and was rejected because his IQ was too high. The cops said he would just get bored and eventually leave.
My 18 year old friend was jailed for 9 years because the police told him that if he would confess to 6 unsolved burglaries, instead of just the one he did, they could close these cases and in exchange they would "go easy" on him in court. The public defender didn't make issue of the fact that this "confession" happened before he got counsel.
@@valeriehancotte-galan4790 no it's intentional and it's almost always directed at foreigners and people of color and the poor. This was worse before DNA when junk science like pubic hair analysis convicted Black men based on bullshit metrics and that DNA later said was a white person. After conviction and years served in jail, all on a cops gut instinct, a hunch. He knew he was guilty.
They are trained to not believe you regardless of the fact that you are not lying to them at all and speaking the truth as you know it to be. Why do you think a lot of people that are stopped walking down the sidewalk are told "we got a call" or "you fit the description" and other misleading statements. When you try to explain your side of things they constantly interrupt you and rudely make comments about not believing what you say or they flat out tell you to shut up "we don't want to hear it" meaning they will never believe what you say so why bother trying to explain anything.
The bad cop comes in, "I invoke my fifth amendment right to remain silent." The good cop comes in ""I invoke my fifth amendment right to remain silent."
@@aowatson1 Don't talk to cops. There is nothing you can say that will help you. They are not looking for the truth, they are looking to put you in jail.
No. That CAN be used against you in court. "If he's innocent, why did he invoke the 5th?" You simply say I will not answer any questions without my attorney present.
@@sox5131 In Salinas v Texas 570 US 178 (2013) the Supreme Court said that if you didn't specifically invoke your right to remain silent your silence could be used against you. So you can invoke the Fifth Amendment as a right as well as the usual "I want an attorney" but what you can't do is just say nothing. But invoking the Fifth does not imply guilt.
@@tomjackson4374 There's a video by attorney James Duane called "Don't talk to the police". You may have seen it. If not, it is a great watch. He also has a book titled "You have the right to remain innocent" He cites the Salinas case in it. He shows examples of pleading the 5th being used against defendants despite Salinas. He states you simply say, I want a lawyer as many times as needed. The book is only $5 and well worth purchasing.
Steve I’ve actually said that since they’re trained to lie, and they lie so often, that their word should be worth less than dirt. For the sole reason it’s an ingrained behavior.
They don't care if you're guilty or innocent. They just want to pin it on someone so they can close the case. The prosecutor wants to convict you so he gets a check in the 'win' column because it's all about their stats.
@@VoiceOfIrrationality Nice piece of "poetry", so "kudos for that" :) But in reality most "practitioners" mostly "trundle on" in the "age old tracks" that we have used since we started talking...Or even earlier... That said I REALLY feel for all honest and good cops !! Can You imagine how it must feel to be a cop who really chose the profession as a calling wanting to actually protect and serve, to set an example as a positive force....
I was called in for “questioning” in an incident that I didn’t even know anything about, or had even heard of. They put me in an interrogation room. Immediately at that point, I knew to keep my mouth shut. I immediately said “I want a lawyer! Now!” After repeating that a few times in response to their seemingly innocent questions....they got the hint and released me. I went home, and never heard anything from them since.
I was told that aa police, they know off the bat somebody is innocent when they tell them fuck off when requesting "an interview" They said guilty people get nervous and go in to talk. Not saying you were guilty of something, just some advice if there is a next time.
I had something similar, was brought in and released but they called to continue to talk to me. I said charge me or don’t ask to talk to me again. Never heard from them again
They teach cops to lie then are surprised when they lie on paperwork or in court. They teach them to lie and beat people but don't actually teach the laws they are supposed to enforce. I think they should have to go to school for law so they know what they're supposed to be doing.
Also to hide being lazy. Called on a case, write it up, file it, no investigation. "Oh, well, Wells Fargo doesn't keep good records." Yes, that happened to me. Lost $thousands, police did nothing.
Ironically where I live they actually do require that all police officers have a bachelors degree in criminal justice, and we have a lot fewer problems... i’m not saying that we don’t have problems at all, because they do use the same tactics that he is talking against in this video, however they generally are pretty good about not stepping outside the bounds of the law and we don’t have many cases of excessive force, etc...
@@metamorphicorder make sure you record everything you can - and always ALWAYS say you do not answer questions without a lawyer present. The only thing you should say is "WHERE IS MY LAWYER? I DON'T TALK WITHOUT MY LAWYER." Believe me, your lawyer will thank you for saying nothing.
@@socasack im aware of these things. But it still doesnt totally prevent them from lying. Thats how lies work. They feel like they have the prsumption of integrity and they can make up whatever they feel they can get away with. If the system values results and quantity over quality this is what happens.
@@metamorphicorder Your best to tell the police you are not answering questions. Tell them you invoke the 5th. Any questions asked answer with I Don’t Answer Questions. If anything bad happens or it goes to court there is your evidence. By staying silent it’s not implied and the police will use that against you.
@@kurtwetzel154 its the same thing either way remaining silent is the same thing as giving redirect answers to the effect of invoking your 5th or asking for an attorney. The distinction you are making falls under the catergory of distinction without difference. Remaining silent is the same thing as not cooperating. Invoking your 5th and or asking for an attorney is the same thing as not cooperating. They will try to present both things the same way to a judge and or jury. Their job isnt to present you in a good way. Doing one over the other may or may not result in a change in the way police respond and treat you during an encounter ir investigation but they are essientialy the same.
Over 200 years ago, our wise founding fathers tried their best to write the Constitution and Bill of Rights to prevent such government/police behavior.
They have been doing it for far too long. Im coming up on 50 years and can still remember once in my teens when I was talking to a few friends that happened to be walking by my house and I walked to the next corner, right behind my house as I lived on the corner myself, to finish our conversation. A cop car pulled up and said that they got a call about a group of teens prowling around houses and looking in windows. Confused by the accusations I said who called to the cops knowing it wasn't us as we had just walked a half a block from my house. One of the cops pointed at my house behind us and said the people who live right there. I instantly knew they were lying and so did my friends. By this time my neighbor who lived behind me and whos corner we were at had come out to see what was going on. I smiled and said hi to her by name and asked if she would go over to my house and ask my parents why they would call in a fake report on their own son. She just glared at the cops and said of course she would and started walking through her back yard into mine. The look on those lying cops faces were priceless. Before my neighbor could reach my back door the cops stammered a weak excuse and hopped in their car and sped off. A few years later the fbi actually had to come in and take over the towns internal affairs department due to how corrupt my towns police department was. I never had any distaine for the police before that day,but by the end of that night I never trusted them ever again.
That was actually more foolish of them than you realize. Say you were the group police claimed you to be, they basically ratted out the victim to you telling you exactly where they live. LOL
@@MikinessAnalog I actually never thought about it like that. But in truth, everyone involved knew that there was no call in the first place. Just cops stacking lies upon lies. Nobody ever accused cops of being smart. Good point though!!!!
Had similar happen to me when I was with a buddy working on my truck in my drive. Cop came up accusing of breaking into the vehicle we were working on and said we (and several men got out of my buddys van) and tried to steal a couple cars in front of the house before getting to my truck and accuse us of trying to steal my own truck. Never trust these pigs; Psychos.
Here in San Diego some years back we had a badly mishandled case where a 12 yo girl was murdered by a transient, but the police initially locked onto her 15 yo brother and his friends as the killers. They pulled out all the tricks you described, questioned for hours with no parents, lied to them, etc. With one of them, they turned off the recording, told him they wanted to play a game: If he were too have murdered her, how would he have gone about it? They then turned the recording back on, and recorded him talking about it, then presented the tape as a confession. When the transient, with a history of mental illness, was later picked up covered with the girls blood, the police decided that was a just a distraction from the true killers, the brother and his friends, and hid the evidence. When it all came out, the police and local judges all refused to cooperate with the investigation.
I was just getting ready to post that. I originally read about it in 'Mistakes were made (but not by me) by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson, a book I highly reccomend.
I tought my kid, and nieces and nephews set if the police ever question for anything at all tell them "I want a lawyer and my parents during any questioning and I would like to remain silent until I speak with them
Yeah, anyone that sits through an interrogation for several hours without asking for an attorney is just asking to be falsely convicted. Before their first question, I'm asking them; Am I suspected of a crime? Yes? Give me a lawyer. No? I'm leaving, have a nice day.
My Granddad told me "If you sleep with pigs expect to get dirty". The criminal justice system has many systemic problems that need to be addressed. If the police want to be held in higher regard they need to get out of the pig pin.
Steve, if a person was to find themselves in a situation like this and tell the cops you want a lawyer how do you go about finding an attorney at that moment?
You don't need one right at that moment. It buys you time, until you do get a chance to talk to a lawyer. Saying "I want to talk to a lawyer" is essentially "stopping the clock". If they don't stop questioning you, then you just keep replying to them "I want to talk to a lawyer".
@@kenheisner288 I once watched a video where a former police chief said the same thing. Don't talk to the police. In this country they are not your ally.
@@reeddanj there are an estimated 50,000 federal laws, and locally you likely have 10,000 or more... Then there things like tax codes, and regulations... How many do YOU know? You break the law all the time, you just don't know it... And that's actual law breaking by your standard, this video is about people going to prison who HAVE NOT BROKEN ANY LAW... lol you really need to take a look at your sanctimonious and arrogant position, I bet a nice dig through your browser history and hard drive would be very revealing...
@@reeddanj I don't like liars. By proxy I don;' like police. They are liars. I suppose you do like liars. And I suppose you support North Korean police officers too, they are just catching "criminals" after all. Only CRIMINALS don't like North Korean police officers. RIGHT?
@@reeddanj no because it was seen 2 hundred years ago that power corrupts. there are a percentage of cops that are bad. how would you like to be the one accused by the bad cop?
It’s BS !!! When I was younger! V CB cops would pull me over and say “ there was a report of a car like mine with a gun ! So they could search at gun point! It happened to me 2 times!!! How many times they did this to others!!!! If I can’t lie then they shouldn’t be able also!?!?
Happened to me in St Pete Fl when I was 16..Exact same line! Me and two female friends..They wanted to search my car and US!!! We made them very uncomfortable with me saying to the two male cops as I was a male too "Oh please search me again I love it when a man in uniform touches me!!" they said wrong car have a good night!! haha I am dead serious! We were 16, white and my mom had more money than God then..I did not care!
My response: A car like mine with a gun? There are 500,000 cars almost exactly like mine on the road. Is it supposed to impress me that one of them has a gun?
You said it, " ... false information can substantially alter your visual perceptions, beliefs, emotional states, memories, and even certain psychological functions." That's why they allow the news to breathlessly spew it upon us.
Anecdotally, my dad tells a story of how he caught a charge because of police lying to him. He said he wants a lawyer, they sent in a lawyer. He asked if they were his lawyer. They said yes. They were his lawyer - his prosecuting lawyer.
You can also throw in a, "I'm asserting my fifth amendment rights." Then go back to demanding for your attorney. That's it, give them nothing. No matter how innocent you are.
@@Cincinnatijames I've heard of a case where they used a persons silence against them during Sentencing. They claimed the individual was remorseless because they were silent. I've never heard of a Criminal Case where someone asserted their 5th Amendment rights and had that held against them. If so could you name the case or something that would point me toward the case.
In early 2003 a friend of my teenage son was murdered. I was friends with his mother, and was one of last to see him. Police questioned me 4 times. I was starting to think that I was suspect. Yes, they lied..a lot!! Still unsolved. Perhaps we should start a petition? Peace
The susceptibility of younger folks to lies from authority figures is huge. I spent a large portion of my life thinking I was the one who ruined my mother's life, it wasn't until I was much older that I realized how toxic of a person she is and how she can't turn any blame towards herself.
I used to work with a guy that was a detective for 17 years. We got on the subject on his training on interviewing people. He told me straight up “ the trading is so good you give me enough time, I can get you to admit to anything.” That’s just not right.
Thank you for posting this. Half a lifetime ago i was a suspect in a larceny of a Papa Johns pizza store. I had a date with someone i met online, and i met her at work as she was getting off. She was the manager of a Papa Johns. She invited me in the back as she was closing down the restaurant. We left, we hung out a while but it wasn’t very memorable as there wasn’t any chemistry. A few days later I get a phone call from the Fairfax police informing me that there was a “robbery” at the restaurant and they wanted to interview me because i was a “witness”. During my youth, i trusted and believed the police and wanted to clear my name. I eagerly went to the police station for an “interview”, aka interrogation. During this, they told me $1500 was missing from the safe, and that witnesses said i was in the office. They were very aggressive, and told me lie after lie. They even said i had just confessed numerous times, which i never did. When they finally told me they had “video evidence” from “hidden surveillance cameras”, i asked them “Then why am i here wasting your time if you have evidence of who actually stole this money”. After 4 hours they let me go. Had i not been a young white male with a privileged job, this would have probably been a very different outcome for me. I asked them why would i risk stealing $1500 from someone i just met and was on a date with, when i was comfortably employed earning that much money few weeks? They believed me. Had i not been so privileged, i doubt i would be here. When i realized the cops were lying to me to try to coerce me into a confession, my brain went to every possible tactic to try to coerce them into believing an alternative narrative; why would a business not bother installing a time-lock safe that would’ve prevented this theft, which they called a “robbery”? They underpay their employees and yet trust them with keys to the safe that contains all the cash? Why are you all even involved in this? The police should never be allowed to lie to a suspect. The fact that in the US they are allowed to is why they can never be trusted to enforce justice. Thank you for sharing this video. It gives me chills thinking of how lucky i was to avoid this booby trap.
I used to live in PW county and work in Fairfax. The cops there are definitely on a 24/7 power trip. They think that working that close to DC makes them the most important cops in the world.
I think you left out an important part of their strategy, at least as I understand it. After they lie to you, and lay out this false case they have on you, they then make an offer of some sort of reduced charges if you confess, but only if you confess right now, otherwise they're going to press the full charges. That's the trap. That's why people who haven't committed the crime end up confessing, because they're picking between two bad (and false) choices. Which is why, as you stated, get a lawyer
This. I've even heard of cases where they offered the suspect: You can confess and go home today (probation, slap on the wrist) or don't confess and we will stay in jail and we'll push for the max. Many innocent people have taken the confess option and it has bit some in the ass later on. I read of one case where a guy picked up 2 strikes retroactively for something he claims he falsely confessed to decades ago because he was told if he confessed and plead out he could go home and he would only get probation. Decades later he was arrested for a minor offense and due to previous conviction got LWOP under 3 Strikes. In other cases, I've heard of people falsely confessing as they would do less time if they plead out than if they fought it and won (can't afford bail), then years or decades later a new law is passed retroactively removes various rights or places restrictions on them due to their prior convictions. To make matters worse, judges will sometimes go much harder on a defendant who exercises their right to a trial if they're convicted. One case I read about, the accused was offered probation but believed they had done nothing wrong so they refused to confess or plead out. They were convicted and the judge made a point of issuing the maximum sentence allowed by law because they didn't confess and take the plea deal.
@@edwardmiessner6502 I think the 3 strikes one was California. One of their three strikes horror stories. I wanna say the judge throwing the book at the defendant who went to trial was federal but I’m not certain.
That's exactly right! They threaten you that if you don't confess and go trial, they'll throw the book at you. It's a plea system now - 97% of cases end in some sort of plea.
This is why you ask for an attorney no matter what. If anyone of us lied to the police, we'd be charged with obstruction. Whatever happened to equal protection?
How does one know when a cop is telling the truth or lying? A person can't know when a person is lying, therefore one must assume everything a cop says is a lie.
If I’m on a jury, and the police tract a confession 12 hours after a suspect is brought in, but they only have 25 minutes of recording leading up to a confession, I’m voting not guilty. There is no excuse for police to not have every second of interrogation recorded. Except coercion.
To many law enforcement officials/prosecutors are just looking to close cases and KNOWINGLY charge innocent people, to advance their careers, political aspirations or for monetary gain. Disgusting.
Yes police should not lie to get a confession. They need to do investigation work…which it sounds like they don’t want to because it’s too much work for them
It's been drilled into my grandson. NEVER open the door for them either, even if they tell you one of us is hurt. Minors are NOT legally permitted to allow entry but officers will try to lie their way in. So sad we've got to teach our kids this!
I did but didn't really have to because they witnessed a lot of police violence and abuse of power their whole lives just like me! My first memory of the police is when I was four years old when my oldest brother was taking me along for a ride in my mom's New car! They pulled us over surrounded our car pulled my brother out And about ten of them beat the Holly crap out of him! That's just the first memory I have PTSD because of All they have done to me and my family! FTP
There was a test on camera of some big news guy who walked into a room with about 10 five or six your year olds who were just playing with toys, the man never spoke, just picked up a book and left without any interaction with the kids. they then started asking question, did you see a man, what did he do or say, and as they kept asking leading questions their reply's got longer and more elaborate, and by the end he came in talked to the kids and told them fantastic stories and left..... and they could repeat it all as if it happened, and they believed that's what happened, but it didn't. That's what can happen with questioning gone wrong! and people have been convicted on evidence collected in this way. Have a nice day!
I have a friend who is a cop. He is a good man of high moral standards. He told me he had a real problem the day that they told him in academy that it was O.K. to lie. He said he was dismayed at his fellow trainees lack of questioning the policy, one he would never follow.
When I was a kid we pulled a prank on one of our friends. He spent the whole Christmas Party bragging about all the lights he had put on his house, so being good friends we climbed up on the roof of his bungalow and took them all. The neighbours called the cops and we explained the bucket of bulbs and apologized for bringing them out. They spent the next two weeks trying to pin a series of home burglaries on us. At one point they claimed my friends identified me as the theft ring leader and said my light bulb story was "self serving". Finally my dad told them to screw off and called a lawyer. Three months later it was in the paper that a homeowner caught the real burgler in the act. The Christmas light kid just about died laughing.
This tactic was tried on me several times as a teen. Fortunately for me I had a disdain for authorities and never changed my position which was it wasn't me, and it wasn't.
"I would be happy to answer your question once I have legal counsel available to help ensure I do not surrender my constitutional rights. Until then, I invoke and do not waive all of my first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, eighth, tenth, and fourteenth Amendment rights."
There is so much evidence that an innocent person will confess to the most serious of charges when a cop applies enough pressure. The justice system should be horrified by this fact. They're putting innocent people in prison. But they just deny it.
Thank you Steve for being our watch dog & diplomat. Thank You For Your Personal Service. Your making America a better place for all now and in the future. And, again "Thank You For Your Personal Service"!
The other issue of a false confession through Deceptive methods is not only do they put an innocent person behind bars, is that the real criminal is still on the street.
My bro. In law was in a car wreck back in the 80s. 10 minutes after he came out of post op.an attorney from other persons insurance company came into his room. He was tore up on pain meds. This man had him sighn away his rights to sue them.in return for a 6800 $ check.
I dated a career cop who was a detective when we met. I left her mainly because she lied. A lot. She even lied to her daughters over little, insignificant things. The best advice I ever heard is do not talk to a cop. For any reason.
This is going to be a little long. In the early 70's, my brother and I lived on the coast in very northern CA. My brother and his best friend ( BBF ) had started working in the woods for a logging company, so they had the needed gear ( hardhats, cork boots...etc ). Since BBF had a car and gave my brother a ride to work, he left his things in BBF's car. BBF was also into spelunking ( cave exploring ), he kept that equipment in the car as well. One weekend, they were returning from a trip north. They were stopped in Del Notre county by a deputy sheriff. Upon seeing the items in the back seat and the illegally opened trunk, they were told the items were listed on a burglary report and were detained. BFF told my brother to say nothing until he could call his dad. They were taken to the station, separated, and each told "Your buddy confessed and said you were the one who stole the stuff!" My brother simply kept asking to speak to his friend, to which the cops said he can't help you now. In the other room, BFF just kept asking to talk to his father because he could straighten everything out. After a couple of hours, they finally allowed BFF to make his call. He got a hold of his dad, explained the situation to him, then handed the phone to the sheriff saying, "My father would like to speak to you." I wish I could have seen the look on the sheriff's face, as described by BFF, when his father said, " This is US District Court Judge ( BFF's dad, name redacted ). Why are you holding my son and his friend?" Needless to say, they were released with many apologies and even got back their towed car for free! A deputy stood by as BFF walked around his car looking for any damage. My brother has retold this story ever since it happened. It's good to have friends in high places!
Not only a habit, but eventually they can no longer discern what’s a lie and what’s true, the things they say are then determined by their convenience, not on guilt or innocence or truth, or justice.
Did you say the danish teacher died at 27 years old? I'm guessing it was suicide from the stress and shame of the situation, but it wasn't mentioned. If that was the case I think it should be highlighted as much as possible that these lies have such dire consequences.
How about the same as unconstitutional search? Lie to a suspect about ANYTHING, and anything and everything they say after that lie can not be admitted as evidence. This should include the law. E.G. "It's illegal to film me" suddenly becomes a get out of jail free card. When prosecutors are constantly being berated by judges, ruled against, and losing cases due to bad police work, the police will be forced to change or simply fail constantly.
One day when I was in third grade, near the end of the day, we'd all packed our bookbags and put on our coats, and were just milling around killing the last few minutes of the day before we could get on the buses and go home, the vice principal walked into the room. He marched the whole class down to the cafeteria and while we were sitting there wondering what was going on, he scowled at us (he always scowled, as I remember) and said (I'm paraphrasing because it's been a few decades): "We know who you are and what you did, but if you come forward and confess, we'll go easy on you." And then he proceeded to walk around the room glaring at us with his arms folded over his chest. Time's blurred how that day ended - I don't remember if someone "confessed" or not, but I remember being allowed to leave and go home. But what I've never forgotten is how angry I was at the vice prinicipal once my parents pointed out that he didn't really know who did whatever it was that set him off - he was trying to avoid a lawsuit from angry parents by intimidating some kid - ANY kid - into "confessing." I think this early experience is why to this day I have a subconcious loathing of people in positions of power and why I hate dishonesty and sneakiness.
If you teach someone to lie in the execution of their job, they will lie, and start to normalize lying. This can bleed over into other aspects of their job (paperwork, testimony) and their everyday life.
The lies continue into the courts. 'Take the guilty plea, it's easier and won't mess with you for the rest of your life."
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How about instead of teaching them to lie, you teach them the law?
When you look at what it takes to become a cop and uphold the law vs becoming a fireman or nurse.... It doesn't make any sense that they get to tell the public what the laws are and how you, presumably, broke it. You are better of asking a nurse about the law than asking about it from a cop.
@@FlexDRG Believe NOTHING that comes from the mouth of a pig!
Everyday life - No wonder so many of them are divorced.
@@datasailor8132 I would say that the real reason most of them are divorced, is the physical and mental abuse they subject their 'significant others' to.
Since when the spouse/partner reports it, the responding 'brothers in blue' WILL always support their badge wearing brother, and at a minimum, look the other way, or arrest the person making the call, for "filing a false report', or abusing 911.
Police would lie on their reports anyways, because nothing happens to them when they do.
Rule Number One is ALWAYS: Don't Talk to Police!!
Rule No. 2. Always record any interaction
Rule #3: Fry 'em up like bacon.
@@carlyellison8498 Um, no.
Or you could have your city council abolish the contract between the police union and the cities. We already have marshals sherrifs deputies private security and 2A.
Am I free to go?
That’s why don’t talk to cops ever w/o lawyers present
BEST LEGAL ADVICE! Keep your mouth shut until the lawyer arrives even then, you still need to be extremely careful on what you say & how you say it.
@@3rdFloorblog even after your lawyer arrives you keep your mouth shut and only answer if your lawyer tells you that it is ok to answer the question. Then, when you answer, keep your answers short with no elaboration.
But then they attempt to use that against you like "why lawyer up unless you're guilty" its a double edged sword.
@@jonathanmcmullen3324 the easy answer to that question is; "while I know that I am innocent of this crime, there are many innocent people in prison. My lawyer is here to protect me and my rights. Next question please."
@@doctortow6244 do that and they'll try to say you waived the right you just asserted & everything you say between the time you assert your rights & a lawyer actually arriving is fair game.
Just look back at the video about the guy saying, "lawyer dawg," and they just played dumb acting like they didn't know what the guy was saying/asking for. And the courts backed their bullshit up. It's fucking ridiculous.
Ask yourself: If they have all this evidence, why do they need a confession???
Thank you for sharing this problem. I used to work as a security guard for high rise buildings, and police would get mad at us for not “bending the truth” when taking reports about crimes (mostly homeless or mentally impaired folks) we had witnessed. They just assumed we’d say whatever was useful to get the accused locked up… very sad and eye opening.
I was on a jury and a security officer was testifying about a shoplifting case. The defense brought up some exculpatory evidence. that the security officer had been informed of. The defense asked why this wasn't included in the security officer's report. The security officer said "It's my job to get evidence to support a conviction, not help the suspect." I guess the actual truth is irrelevant.
As an expat kiwi living in Europe... my observation is In NZ and Europe allowing Police to lie devalues the status of police in society. It makes police less trustworthy in the eyes of the public. So at least in Europe they are not allowed to lie.
and yet they still do. my mentally disabled brother got questioned after a complaint of him being agresssive to someone without a lawyer. or notice to his legal guardian.
Why would anyone believe a word out a police’s mouth if this is legal?
@@elaineandjohn9599you shouldn't, but there is much propoganda. Didn't you have police coming by and taking about how wonderful the police were in elementary school? And ask those TV shows where they are unmitigated heros?
@@admthrawnuru while I do like/love some police shows, they infuriate me as well as they are an indoctrination to allowing the cops to trample your rights. Detective searches without a warrant, have to find some way to keep that "scummy low life lawyer from hiding the truth that the jury needs"
How about allowing police to lie if they include a warning in Miranda " you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. We have the right to lie to you and provide false information. You have the right to an attorney..." I wonder how many attorneys would be requested at that point :)
Anything you say can be used against you, especially a false confession.
None
Thanks to the Patriot act they can hold you 36 hours without arrest, so don't wait for your Miranda reading.
Excellent idea!
@@Dewydidit thank you Barack obastard for....o wait thats right NOTHING
And yet the courts see officers as honest men. Giving sway to their testimony.
Whoever controls the courts controls the people.
Not just the courts. There have been studies published that show that jurors tend to hold a cops testimony in higher regard than the testimony of non-police officers. I think that the defense council should legally be allowed to introduce a cop's personnel file as evidence of that cop's history of bad behavior.
@@doctortow6244 + the fact that police lie VERY FREQUENTLY should be allowed into testimony by expert witnesses called by the Defense. See if that affects jury confidence in police testimony! IMO, also ALL Defense attys. should ask ALL police, "Have you EVER lied to ANY suspect, witness, etc.? ARE YOU LYING TODAY?" Wouldn't that be allowable on the basis of the expert witness testimony? LOL, let's see if the police will lie under oath about lying!
@@musicloverme3993 police are allowed to lie to suspects during interogation. So it wouldn't be a big revelation that they lie. You could possibly use that to impeach their integrity on the stand. I don't know how much good it would do, but it's worth a shot.
@@doctortow6244 Yep, they're allowed to do it. I say to definitely point it out though.
The thought of being in one place for 18 hours getting interrogated all the time sounds like torture to me.
Sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me...
That’s the idea, unfortunately.
When you are innocent, everyone but your attorney in that interrogation room is your enemy. They will pretend to be your friend, they will pretend to see things from your side. When they lock you up, they get to go home, whether you are innocent or not.
I bet those three dislikes are cops who rely on lying every time they speak.
No they are because he is wearing a Clemson shirt lol
Most, and I mean most cops are power trippers an adrenaline junkie ‘s, who else with sign up for a job to regulate the dregs of society only to watch them turned loose a short time later? it’s like a cat chasing its own tail , one would have to conclude that they are not very intelligent , or they just enjoy the chase over and over ...most cops rely on the law and force standing behind them , just measure their demeanor the next time you have an encounter with one in even a simple traffic stop. they are always forceful and imposing, I have been around long enough that I know this was not the way policing was done 30 and 40 years ago , they have been turned into a military force and our rights have been removed under the guise of stopping criminals. They are always turned loose and everything is regulated because of them i.e. guns, why should I have my gun rights regulated to keep criminals from purchasing or obtaining. guns it makes no sense? if someone is a danger to society and they might pick up a gun (because they’re violent) they should be in prison for a long time! Not regulate everyone else has gun rights to keep them from getting a gun of course we all understand the deep state wants exactly this and that is what they have done in the name of public safety which they could care less about or criminals would be in prison.
You mean the 14 cops who disliked this video
No, I mean exactly what I typed, 3 hours ago when I typed that it was only 3. Obviously as time goes on those numbers change.
49 lying cops now gave it the thumbs down
When winning is more important than the truth.
Just like the "news" media pushing bad news all the time. Ratings. News channels want high viewer numbers, cops want high arrest/conviction numbers.
Well said
Yep...Gold Stars and maybe a raise or promotion.
They can't handle the truth!
Bin-fucking-go!
Yet ANOTHER reason to NOT talk to police without a lawyer present....
Of course they could lie about that too ...
@Jess Yess Once you talk to a lawyer, they will tell you not to talk to the police. Any lawyer that tells you that you should talk to the police should be fired at once. If you have an easily checked alibi or any exculpatory information, let your attorney present that information.
@Jess Yess if your lawyer thinks it is a good idea for you to talk to the police you need a new lawyer
A rational person must assume that everything that comes out of a cops mouth is a lie.
I saw a video once where a professor went over the same subject about talking to the police.
Once of the biggest talking points I remember from the video was to remember that 'anything you say can and WILL be used against you.'
Not FOR you, but AGAINST you.
Pretty sure I watched same video. Do you remember the name? I'm always referencing info from it but would love to re- watch
Our whole justice system is a corrupt mess.
A lot of it is. Not the "whole justice system" though. As flawed as it is, at least our system gives people a CHANCE at justice. For pretty much the entire history of the world, the little guy had NO CHANCE. But today, in America, the little guy has something they never had before: a chance.
So yes, our system is fcked. But do not take the position that it is entirely a "corrupt mess" because that's just not so.
@@xs10z you are right it could be worse but it is definitely more corrupt than not. There is no way for it to be flawless even with the best of intentions because humans are involved. It definitely needs a lot of work though. 🙂👍
Yes and its expensive
Much thanks to the Supreme Court for that nonsense.
@@xs10z Traffic court is very corrupt. Waste of time if you think the judge they have that day is not there to raise revenue.
It’s about time we hold cops to a higher standard! And accountable to the people who pay their salaries...
Wrong! Everyone should be held t the same standard even criminals like you! Remember what the Constitution says?
@@donraptor6156 You were good until you name called. Too bad for you.
Not a higher standard.....the same standard.
Came here to say it needs to be the same standard. I see that others already have that opinion as well.
Instead lets talk about why this is true.
First culturally, this attitude is axiomatic. We already by and large hold the cops "to a higher standard" in our minds. Im not speaking to what legal standards they are actually held to. Im talking about how the public views the standard to which police are held.
Common expressions like "they ought to be doubly accountable for things wrong that they do" or if they mess up we ought to throw the book at them, blah blah blah.
If they steal stuff it ought to be life in prison because they are cops, rabble rabble rabble.
This does actually spill over into the legal sphere as well l, as there ARE special laws on the books for cops who break the law. The cops know these laws because they are told them in training.
They CAN be given special sentences and charges for breaking the law in relation to their job and in some cases simply because they are a police officer.
How often this is applied to cops who are caught breaking the law, thats a totally different conversation. What im saying is that the perception of a "higher standard" exists.
So what does this mean?
Well when you take a group of people and you dress them differently than the general public and put them in positions of responsibility that come with a fairly broad and high level of authority and socially permitted use of power and force on people, and most importantly a poisition that is inherently adversarial and typically involves interacting with the general public in usually situations that have some great negative aspect, then you impress on them and the public echoes this sentiment that you are held to "a higher standard" and that they are subject to a greater penalty in case of bad acts or malfeasance than the average person. What happens to the culture of such a social entitity?
Well its not surprising that it would become such that the members of such an entity would think of themselves as better than others, if held to a "higher standard" they must be better. If they are better, then they deserve more than others. They eventually come to think that they are literally above the laws that others are subject to. This monster we have is one of our own creation.
You cant abdicate your power to someone and expect that they wont use it. The very nature of the arrangement leads invariably to that eventuality.
Police services need to be depowered and resructured.
The defund the police movement eas a huge stupid virtue signal. It was literally just fuel on the fire.
They said NOTHING about civil asset forfiture which is a HUGE portion of the budgets of large police departments. Cutting the budgets of departments from state funding is meaningless when a small team of officers can literally fund a department for a year in a few months work or less by just pulling people over and taking their cash and bank cards and pulling the money off them.
Which is being done.
They can find a poor kid that is selling drugs on the street, and seize the house and vehicles of the grandparents whom he lives with even though they had nothing to do with the sale of drugs. These are presumed to be legal and justified seizures and the guaranteed unless the owners can PROVE innocence in a "special" court.
This allows large departments to basically provide their own funding.
And its largely unregulated as its proceeds of crime, that the state basically returns to them wholesale with very little oversight and regulation. Its nearly off the books. I mean its on a book but theres very little independnent control of it . Most of it ends up in discretionary funds.
You want to reign in police departments and defund and depower them, take away civil asset forfiture without criminal conviction, limit it to assests directly associated with the comission of the convicted crimes, and then ear mark 80% for non police uses. If there were crimes, then victims need to be compensated. Hint if there were no victims, there very likely wasnt a crime.
This is how you do true police reform.
@@metamorphicorder I agree with much of your position. Where I diverge from your post is in saying police need to be "de-powered". My contention is we have had so many "There needs to be a law" on minor things, due to intolerance by the public, we enabled politicians to pass a massive number of disparate, selectively enforced laws over time. Police are low man on the totem pole, tasked with enforcing these laws and take the brunt of frustration expressed by citizens. This leads to more us verses them, when they (in most cases) did not initiate or advocate for these laws. Many laws are designed to generate revenue, not solve a problem. Others are political tools that do not address a problem or address an miniscule problem with a sledgehammer. We waste billions turning police into tax collectors, while serious crimes, including white collar crimes as well as violent crimes, go unanswered.
Next, I would say it's not the power, but the judicious use of that power police have a direct responsibility to wield. How to oversee that aspect becomes an issue to solve. My question is, "Who is watching the police?" With Qualified Immunity, you remove a potentially big stick, yet there is a need for it, to a certain extent. The FBI is next to useless in this area. There is a cost to oversight; financially, politically an culturally.
I completely agree with you on Asset Forfeiture.
Until we recognize there are 3 problems, not just the police, but politicians and ourselves, you may solve one, but you'll exacerbate another. Meanwhile, we are a nation of laws...poorly written and selectively enforced.
My dad told me from when I was 10, especially as I was a teenager. You give your name, address, phone number, and then ask for a lawyer and that's it. If I'm being asked questions about what I've been doing, don't answer. He drilled it into my head not to answer questions from authority figures without counsel.
@@boggy7665 I knew that didn't look right. Fixed.
Your father's a smart man.
SCOTUS update: when you refuse to answer further questions explicitly state you are invoking the fifth amendment. The STUPID SCOTUS ruled silence can be used to presume guilt.
PS Yes, they are stupid. Prove me wrong.
@@blargblarg5657 Jay Leno read (on air) an account of a guy that applied to be a cop and was rejected because his IQ was too high. The cops said he would just get bored and eventually leave.
@@hex4047 I remember that. Went to the SCOTUS and the moron SCOTUS agreed
My 18 year old friend was jailed for 9 years because the police told him that if he would confess to 6 unsolved burglaries, instead of just the one he did, they could close these cases and in exchange they would "go easy" on him in court. The public defender didn't make issue of the fact that this "confession" happened before he got counsel.
A polygraph reliably determines that at least one person in the room is lying, most often the one who isn’t wired up to it.
Lots of places are throwing that POS system out because it has no basis on reality.
Polygraphs are un reliable and can be beaten
"They get a false confessions and they know it and they don't care." The essence of all police work.
Just simple laziness
It's also shortcuts to get convictions that result in their promotions , the public are their playthings to generate money
@@valeriehancotte-galan4790 no it's intentional and it's almost always directed at foreigners and people of color and the poor. This was worse before DNA when junk science like pubic hair analysis convicted Black men based on bullshit metrics and that DNA later said was a white person. After conviction and years served in jail, all on a cops gut instinct, a hunch. He knew he was guilty.
@@ehomelessvillageidiot3051 I've seen plenty of interrogation videos of this happening to innocent white people too. It can happen to anyone.
They are trained to not believe you regardless of the fact that you are not lying to them at all and speaking the truth as you know it to be. Why do you think a lot of people that are stopped walking down the sidewalk are told "we got a call" or "you fit the description" and other misleading statements. When you try to explain your side of things they constantly interrupt you and rudely make comments about not believing what you say or they flat out tell you to shut up "we don't want to hear it" meaning they will never believe what you say so why bother trying to explain anything.
when the "protectors" act as the oppressors, they are
And the police have no duty to protect. No, I don't the case but I think Steve does.
They're protectors they are law enforcement do see serve and protect on the side of police cars 🚔 anymore
The bad cop comes in, "I invoke my fifth amendment right to remain silent." The good cop comes in ""I invoke my fifth amendment right to remain silent."
Chuck Norris as the suspect; "I invoke my fifth amendment to silence you".
@@aowatson1 Don't talk to cops. There is nothing you can say that will help you. They are not looking for the truth, they are looking to put you in jail.
No. That CAN be used against you in court. "If he's innocent, why did he invoke the 5th?" You simply say I will not answer any questions without my attorney present.
@@sox5131 In Salinas v Texas 570 US 178 (2013) the Supreme Court said that if you didn't specifically invoke your right to remain silent your silence could be used against you. So you can invoke the Fifth Amendment as a right as well as the usual "I want an attorney" but what you can't do is just say nothing. But invoking the Fifth does not imply guilt.
@@tomjackson4374 There's a video by attorney James Duane called "Don't talk to the police". You may have seen it. If not, it is a great watch. He also has a book titled "You have the right to remain innocent" He cites the Salinas case in it. He shows examples of pleading the 5th being used against defendants despite Salinas. He states you simply say, I want a lawyer as many times as needed. The book is only $5 and well worth purchasing.
What I find to be the most disgusting thing, is when prosecutors fight tooth and nail to keep innocent people in jail.
Steve I’ve actually said that since they’re trained to lie, and they lie so often, that their word should be worth less than dirt. For the sole reason it’s an ingrained behavior.
They don't care if you're guilty or innocent. They just want to pin it on someone so they can close the case. The prosecutor wants to convict you so he gets a check in the 'win' column because it's all about their stats.
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive".
"But after we practice for a while, my how we improve our style."
@@VoiceOfIrrationality
Nice piece of "poetry", so "kudos for that" :)
But in reality most "practitioners" mostly "trundle on" in the "age old tracks" that we have used since we started talking...Or even earlier...
That said I REALLY feel for all honest and good cops !!
Can You imagine how it must feel to be a cop who really chose the profession as a calling wanting to actually protect and serve, to set an example as a positive force....
I was called in for “questioning” in an incident that I didn’t even know anything about, or had even heard of. They put me in an interrogation room. Immediately at that point, I knew to keep my mouth shut.
I immediately said “I want a lawyer! Now!”
After repeating that a few times in response to their seemingly innocent questions....they got the hint and released me.
I went home, and never heard anything from them since.
But have you ever noticed how they like to play on words calling it an "interview"? LOL
@@MikinessAnalog But I'm not seeking employment.
@@geoh7777 You know what I mean, police call an actual interrogation an interview ...
I was told that aa police, they know off the bat somebody is innocent when they tell them fuck off when requesting "an interview"
They said guilty people get nervous and go in to talk. Not saying you were guilty of something, just some advice if there is a next time.
I had something similar, was brought in and released but they called to continue to talk to me. I said charge me or don’t ask to talk to me again. Never heard from them again
Rule #1, when police want to talk to you, "I'd like to have an attorney."
This has always bothered me, BUT how can someone do that and go home and sleep at night and not feel like a total worthless person.
When a lot of easy convictions means bonuses and promotion, you literally can't be worthless.
You assume that they know what it would be like to not feel that way.
@@kristianburda7923, Worthless in Christ ways and they need Christ the most.Pray for them,+++,.
One of my favorite attorney billboards is across the street from the county courthouse/jail. It says:
You have the right to remain silent. USE IT!
In small print... & your 1 phone call is recorded
I wish my ex could see that.
STOP IT!!!! THIS statement should be on 1 in 5 billboards across this land..Especially in BK/BR areas....& near Colleges & Schools!!!
They teach cops to lie then are surprised when they lie on paperwork or in court. They teach them to lie and beat people but don't actually teach the laws they are supposed to enforce. I think they should have to go to school for law so they know what they're supposed to be doing.
Also have a psych evaluation prior to hire.
@@MikinessAnalog have to make sure you are sufficiently psychotic before they give you a badge, gun, and club
Also to hide being lazy. Called on a case, write it up, file it, no investigation. "Oh, well, Wells Fargo doesn't keep good records."
Yes, that happened to me. Lost $thousands, police did nothing.
Ironically where I live they actually do require that all police officers have a bachelors degree in criminal justice, and we have a lot fewer problems... i’m not saying that we don’t have problems at all, because they do use the same tactics that he is talking against in this video, however they generally are pretty good about not stepping outside the bounds of the law and we don’t have many cases of excessive force, etc...
@@darrenporsch you do know what sarcasm is, right?
"Anything you say can and will be used against you." The only truthful thing the police say to you.
But they omit the part where if you dont say things they will just lie and say you dod if it suits them and they can make it work.
@@metamorphicorder make sure you record everything you can - and always ALWAYS say you do not answer questions without a lawyer present. The only thing you should say is "WHERE IS MY LAWYER? I DON'T TALK WITHOUT MY LAWYER." Believe me, your lawyer will thank you for saying nothing.
@@socasack im aware of these things. But it still doesnt totally prevent them from lying. Thats how lies work. They feel like they have the prsumption of integrity and they can make up whatever they feel they can get away with. If the system values results and quantity over quality this is what happens.
@@metamorphicorder Your best to tell the police you are not answering questions. Tell them you invoke the 5th. Any questions asked answer with I Don’t Answer Questions. If anything bad happens or it goes to court there is your evidence. By staying silent it’s not implied and the police will use that against you.
@@kurtwetzel154 its the same thing either way remaining silent is the same thing as giving redirect answers to the effect of invoking your 5th or asking for an attorney. The distinction you are making falls under the catergory of distinction without difference.
Remaining silent is the same thing as not cooperating. Invoking your 5th and or asking for an attorney is the same thing as not cooperating. They will try to present both things the same way to a judge and or jury.
Their job isnt to present you in a good way. Doing one over the other may or may not result in a change in the way police respond and treat you during an encounter ir investigation but they are essientialy the same.
We can only consider it "justice" now when the system loses. That's how corrupt we've become.
Over 200 years ago, our wise founding fathers tried their best to write the Constitution and Bill of Rights to prevent such government/police behavior.
They have been doing it for far too long. Im coming up on 50 years and can still remember once in my teens when I was talking to a few friends that happened to be walking by my house and I walked to the next corner, right behind my house as I lived on the corner myself, to finish our conversation. A cop car pulled up and said that they got a call about a group of teens prowling around houses and looking in windows. Confused by the accusations I said who called to the cops knowing it wasn't us as we had just walked a half a block from my house. One of the cops pointed at my house behind us and said the people who live right there. I instantly knew they were lying and so did my friends. By this time my neighbor who lived behind me and whos corner we were at had come out to see what was going on. I smiled and said hi to her by name and asked if she would go over to my house and ask my parents why they would call in a fake report on their own son. She just glared at the cops and said of course she would and started walking through her back yard into mine. The look on those lying cops faces were priceless. Before my neighbor could reach my back door the cops stammered a weak excuse and hopped in their car and sped off. A few years later the fbi actually had to come in and take over the towns internal affairs department due to how corrupt my towns police department was. I never had any distaine for the police before that day,but by the end of that night I never trusted them ever again.
That was actually more foolish of them than you realize.
Say you were the group police claimed you to be, they basically ratted out the victim to you telling you exactly where they live. LOL
@@MikinessAnalog I actually never thought about it like that. But in truth, everyone involved knew that there was no call in the first place. Just cops stacking lies upon lies. Nobody ever accused cops of being smart. Good point though!!!!
Had similar happen to me when I was with a buddy working on my truck in my drive. Cop came up accusing of breaking into the vehicle we were working on and said we (and several men got out of my buddys van) and tried to steal a couple cars in front of the house before getting to my truck and accuse us of trying to steal my own truck. Never trust these pigs; Psychos.
Here in San Diego some years back we had a badly mishandled case where a 12 yo girl was murdered by a transient, but the police initially locked onto her 15 yo brother and his friends as the killers. They pulled out all the tricks you described, questioned for hours with no parents, lied to them, etc. With one of them, they turned off the recording, told him they wanted to play a game: If he were too have murdered her, how would he have gone about it? They then turned the recording back on, and recorded him talking about it, then presented the tape as a confession.
When the transient, with a history of mental illness, was later picked up covered with the girls blood, the police decided that was a just a distraction from the true killers, the brother and his friends, and hid the evidence.
When it all came out, the police and local judges all refused to cooperate with the investigation.
What the ever living fuck....also link please
Wow, I just googled the case
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Stephanie_Crowe
I was just getting ready to post that.
I originally read about it in 'Mistakes were made (but not by me) by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson, a book I highly reccomend.
@@midorimage wasn't sure what to google so thanks
The transient being out and about is better for their business model. That’s their job security.
I tought my kid, and nieces and nephews set if the police ever question for anything at all tell them "I want a lawyer and my parents during any questioning and I would like to remain silent until I speak with them
At the very minimum people should be informed that the police can legally lie to suspects, I think many people are unaware of this fact.
Yeah, anyone that sits through an interrogation for several hours without asking for an attorney is just asking to be falsely convicted. Before their first question, I'm asking them; Am I suspected of a crime? Yes? Give me a lawyer. No? I'm leaving, have a nice day.
My Mom always said "Don't talk to stranger's"... Cops are all stranger's!!! Silence is always your best defense.
My Granddad told me "If you sleep with pigs expect to get dirty". The criminal justice system has many systemic problems that need to be addressed. If the police want to be held in higher regard they need to get out of the pig pin.
Unfortunately, that's just a portion of the nature of the (police officer's), job.
Most cops have lost the ability to know when they’re lying or not
You're confusing them losing the ability with them not caring.
No, it's deliberate. Police interrogation is used to exploit subjects.
If they are known to lie then they should NEVER get warrants.
Steve, if a person was to find themselves in a situation like this and tell the cops you want a lawyer how do you go about finding an attorney at that moment?
You don't need one right at that moment. It buys you time, until you do get a chance to talk to a lawyer.
Saying "I want to talk to a lawyer" is essentially "stopping the clock".
If they don't stop questioning you, then you just keep replying to them "I want to talk to a lawyer".
Two lawyers on TH-cam say shut the F up Funny but true
@@kenheisner288 I once watched a video where a former police chief said the same thing. Don't talk to the police. In this country they are not your ally.
That would be right after they slap the cuffs on you and put you in a jail cell.... then you are afforded one phone call.....
They must provide one for you! Demand it and shut up!
And the police wonder why people are angry at them.
Criminals are angry with Police.... Law abiding citizens support police!
Or why citizens lie right back to the police. Fair is fair?
@@reeddanj there are an estimated 50,000 federal laws, and locally you likely have 10,000 or more... Then there things like tax codes, and regulations... How many do YOU know? You break the law all the time, you just don't know it... And that's actual law breaking by your standard, this video is about people going to prison who HAVE NOT BROKEN ANY LAW... lol you really need to take a look at your sanctimonious and arrogant position, I bet a nice dig through your browser history and hard drive would be very revealing...
@@reeddanj I don't like liars. By proxy I don;' like police. They are liars.
I suppose you do like liars. And I suppose you support North Korean police officers too, they are just catching "criminals" after all. Only CRIMINALS don't like North Korean police officers. RIGHT?
@@reeddanj no because it was seen 2 hundred years ago that power corrupts. there are a percentage of cops that are bad. how would you like to be the one accused by the bad cop?
It’s BS !!! When I was younger! V CB cops would pull me over and say “ there was a report of a car like mine with a gun ! So they could search at gun point! It happened to me 2 times!!! How many times they did this to others!!!! If I can’t lie then they shouldn’t be able also!?!?
Happened to me in St Pete Fl when I was 16..Exact same line! Me and two female friends..They wanted to search my car and US!!! We made them very uncomfortable with me saying to the two male cops as I was a male too "Oh please search me again I love it when a man in uniform touches me!!" they said wrong car have a good night!! haha I am dead serious! We were 16, white and my mom had more money than God then..I did not care!
@@chrisreed26 I’m would be considered white also but more important! I’m in an mostly white community!
My response:
A car like mine with a gun?
There are 500,000 cars almost exactly like mine on the road.
Is it supposed to impress me that one of them has a gun?
"You failed a polygraph"
That's good because I haven't been trained on deceiving them in a while, good luck getting that polygraph in court!
I hate the polygraph. They are such crap and only usefully for this tactic of deception.
If polygraph evidence was admissible in court they would convict people on that evidence alone. The polygraph is a scam to deceive the gullible.
You said it, " ... false information can substantially alter your visual perceptions, beliefs, emotional states, memories, and even certain psychological functions." That's why they allow the news to breathlessly spew it upon us.
Anecdotally, my dad tells a story of how he caught a charge because of police lying to him. He said he wants a lawyer, they sent in a lawyer. He asked if they were his lawyer. They said yes. They were his lawyer - his prosecuting lawyer.
You can also throw in a, "I'm asserting my fifth amendment rights." Then go back to demanding for your attorney. That's it, give them nothing. No matter how innocent you are.
@@Cincinnatijames I've heard of a case where they used a persons silence against them during Sentencing. They claimed the individual was remorseless because they were silent. I've never heard of a Criminal Case where someone asserted their 5th Amendment rights and had that held against them. If so could you name the case or something that would point me toward the case.
@@tylermacdermott5467 yes, you are correct, I was confusing another case which wasn't quite in parity.
Cop: "I know you were born in 1974, but we have people who say they saw you on the grassy knoll with gun."
Suspect: I need to talk to Steve Lehto.
In early 2003 a friend of my teenage son was murdered. I was friends with his mother, and was one of last to see him. Police questioned me 4 times. I was starting to think that I was suspect. Yes, they lied..a lot!! Still unsolved.
Perhaps we should start a petition?
Peace
The susceptibility of younger folks to lies from authority figures is huge. I spent a large portion of my life thinking I was the one who ruined my mother's life, it wasn't until I was much older that I realized how toxic of a person she is and how she can't turn any blame towards herself.
Classic narcissist. You didn’t stand a chance with a mother like that.
I used to work with a guy that was a detective for 17 years. We got on the subject on his training on interviewing people. He told me straight up “ the trading is so good you give me enough time, I can get you to admit to anything.” That’s just not right.
Do you think this may be one of the reasons we are losing trust in our law enforcement?
One of MANY!
Loosing, you mean lost!! I and many other's have lost all respect!!
It certainly doesn't help. And I think normalizing deceitful behavior bleeds into the culture of the job.
I always liked that scene from Better Call Saul, where Mike is sitting in a intergradation room and all Mike says is "lawyer"
Thank you for posting this.
Half a lifetime ago i was a suspect in a larceny of a Papa Johns pizza store. I had a date with someone i met online, and i met her at work as she was getting off. She was the manager of a Papa Johns. She invited me in the back as she was closing down the restaurant. We left, we hung out a while but it wasn’t very memorable as there wasn’t any chemistry.
A few days later I get a phone call from the Fairfax police informing me that there was a “robbery” at the restaurant and they wanted to interview me because i was a “witness”. During my youth, i trusted and believed the police and wanted to clear my name. I eagerly went to the police station for an “interview”, aka interrogation. During this, they told me $1500 was missing from the safe, and that witnesses said i was in the office. They were very aggressive, and told me lie after lie. They even said i had just confessed numerous times, which i never did. When they finally told me they had “video evidence” from “hidden surveillance cameras”, i asked them “Then why am i here wasting your time if you have evidence of who actually stole this money”. After 4 hours they let me go.
Had i not been a young white male with a privileged job, this would have probably been a very different outcome for me. I asked them why would i risk stealing $1500 from someone i just met and was on a date with, when i was comfortably employed earning that much money few weeks? They believed me. Had i not been so privileged, i doubt i would be here.
When i realized the cops were lying to me to try to coerce me into a confession, my brain went to every possible tactic to try to coerce them into believing an alternative narrative; why would a business not bother installing a time-lock safe that would’ve prevented this theft, which they called a “robbery”? They underpay their employees and yet trust them with keys to the safe that contains all the cash? Why are you all even involved in this?
The police should never be allowed to lie to a suspect. The fact that in the US they are allowed to is why they can never be trusted to enforce justice.
Thank you for sharing this video. It gives me chills thinking of how lucky i was to avoid this booby trap.
I used to live in PW county and work in Fairfax. The cops there are definitely on a 24/7 power trip. They think that working that close to DC makes them the most important cops in the world.
Yes, that is so sad. People forget to be quiet and use the 5th to remain silent and ask for a lawyer.
The first rule is never talk to the police
If they detain you - you should question if you’re free to go if not you request a lawyer
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. This is something I've known for a long time. They lie to make their jobs easier, not for the sake of justice.
I think you left out an important part of their strategy, at least as I understand it. After they lie to you, and lay out this false case they have on you, they then make an offer of some sort of reduced charges if you confess, but only if you confess right now, otherwise they're going to press the full charges. That's the trap. That's why people who haven't committed the crime end up confessing, because they're picking between two bad (and false) choices.
Which is why, as you stated, get a lawyer
This. I've even heard of cases where they offered the suspect: You can confess and go home today (probation, slap on the wrist) or don't confess and we will stay in jail and we'll push for the max. Many innocent people have taken the confess option and it has bit some in the ass later on. I read of one case where a guy picked up 2 strikes retroactively for something he claims he falsely confessed to decades ago because he was told if he confessed and plead out he could go home and he would only get probation. Decades later he was arrested for a minor offense and due to previous conviction got LWOP under 3 Strikes. In other cases, I've heard of people falsely confessing as they would do less time if they plead out than if they fought it and won (can't afford bail), then years or decades later a new law is passed retroactively removes various rights or places restrictions on them due to their prior convictions.
To make matters worse, judges will sometimes go much harder on a defendant who exercises their right to a trial if they're convicted. One case I read about, the accused was offered probation but believed they had done nothing wrong so they refused to confess or plead out. They were convicted and the judge made a point of issuing the maximum sentence allowed by law because they didn't confess and take the plea deal.
@@lq7777 was that a Michigan case?
@@edwardmiessner6502 I think the 3 strikes one was California. One of their three strikes horror stories. I wanna say the judge throwing the book at the defendant who went to trial was federal but I’m not certain.
That's exactly right! They threaten you that if you don't confess and go trial, they'll throw the book at you. It's a plea system now - 97% of cases end in some sort of plea.
And if you have a spouse and children the police will use them leverage against you.
Gaslighting like this is an art form. It seems to be happening more and more.
I have gas but I’m not lighting anything
Police: We know you did it, we have all this evidence
Me: Then what are you waiting for? Arrest me
This is why you ask for an attorney no matter what. If anyone of us lied to the police, we'd be charged with obstruction. Whatever happened to equal protection?
The only thing anyone should ever say to a cop. I invoke my right to remain silent. I want a lawyer.
How does one know when a cop is telling the truth or lying? A person can't know when a person is lying, therefore one must assume everything a cop says is a lie.
Usually when they’re lips are moving
This is why you NEVER talk to cops under any circumstances
Lots of people like to say that, but how many automatically, without question, give them an answer to the first question they ask - whats your name?
What a weird world we live in when New York is spearheading the charge against false and coerced criminal confessions.
If I’m on a jury, and the police tract a confession 12 hours after a suspect is brought in, but they only have 25 minutes of recording leading up to a confession, I’m voting not guilty.
There is no excuse for police to not have every second of interrogation recorded.
Except coercion.
I was lied to by a sheriff out investigating a civil shed dispute.
We owned the dilapidated shed & land.
I see liars in hero costumes.
To many law enforcement officials/prosecutors are just looking to close cases and KNOWINGLY charge innocent people, to advance their careers, political aspirations or for monetary gain. Disgusting.
"to advance their careers, political aspirations or for monetary gain"
Or, just because they love to bully people.
It's sad when courts/judges/cops/etc just care more about making their own jobs easier and more convenient than actually pursuing the honest truth.
Yes police should not lie to get a confession. They need to do investigation work…which it sounds like they don’t want to because it’s too much work for them
"Why are you interrogating me without my attorney present?"
"I Need To Speak To My Attorney" Say it 20 times everyday.
These people are criminals.
"I cannot comment on pending litigation without my attorney present."
Throw their crap right back at them LMAO
Ok, just sit in this room while we go take a nap.
@@HH-ru4bj I'd take a nap too, possibly even while being interrogated. I can sleep with quite a lot of noise going on.
That why after explaining the birds and the bees to your kids, you should wise them up about keeping their mouth shut when having contact with police.
I taught that one far before ready for the other.
Its sad but true
No teach them about the cops first. Even if you're six years old white and lost, the police are not your friends
It's been drilled into my grandson. NEVER open the door for them either, even if they tell you one of us is hurt. Minors are NOT legally permitted to allow entry but officers will try to lie their way in. So sad we've got to teach our kids this!
I did but didn't really have to because they witnessed a lot of police violence and abuse of power their whole lives just like me! My first memory of the police is when I was four years old when my oldest brother was taking me along for a ride in my mom's New car! They pulled us over surrounded our car pulled my brother out And about ten of them beat the Holly crap out of him! That's just the first memory I have PTSD because of All they have done to me and my family! FTP
There was a test on camera of some big news guy who walked into a room with about 10 five or six your year olds who were just playing with toys, the man never spoke, just picked up a book and left without any interaction with the kids.
they then started asking question, did you see a man, what did he do or say, and as they kept asking leading questions their reply's got longer and more elaborate, and by the end he came in talked to the kids and told them fantastic stories and left..... and they could repeat it all as if it happened, and they believed that's what happened, but it didn't.
That's what can happen with questioning gone wrong! and people have been convicted on evidence collected in this way.
Have a nice day!
I have a friend who is a cop. He is a good man of high moral standards.
He told me he had a real problem the day that they told him in academy that it was O.K. to lie.
He said he was dismayed at his fellow trainees lack of questioning the policy, one he would never follow.
When I was a kid we pulled a prank on one of our friends. He spent the whole Christmas Party bragging about all the lights he had put on his house, so being good friends we climbed up on the roof of his bungalow and took them all. The neighbours called the cops and we explained the bucket of bulbs and apologized for bringing them out. They spent the next two weeks trying to pin a series of home burglaries on us. At one point they claimed my friends identified me as the theft ring leader and said my light bulb story was "self serving". Finally my dad told them to screw off and called a lawyer. Three months later it was in the paper that a homeowner caught the real burgler in the act. The Christmas light kid just about died laughing.
This tactic was tried on me several times as a teen. Fortunately for me I had a disdain for authorities and never changed my position which was it wasn't me, and it wasn't.
How many times did it get You slapped in jail?
Same here, the old “that’s not what your friend told me “
First words need to be “I want a lawyer”. And answer to each question needs to be “I want a lawyer”.
"I want a lawyer dog. I want a lawyer dog!"
"I would be happy to answer your question once I have legal counsel available to help ensure I do not surrender my constitutional rights. Until then, I invoke and do not waive all of my first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, eighth, tenth, and fourteenth Amendment rights."
There is so much evidence that an innocent person will confess to the most serious of charges when a cop applies enough pressure.
The justice system should be horrified by this fact. They're putting innocent people in prison. But they just deny it.
No innocent person has EVER gone to prison. If you are convicted you are "officially" guilty.
@@camgere "officially" guilty and really innocent.
@@camgere plenty of people serving "awaiting" trial
No interview without an attorney or litigation guardian in attendance. Period.
Thank you Steve for being our watch dog & diplomat. Thank You For Your Personal Service. Your making America a better place for all now and in the future. And, again "Thank You For Your Personal Service"!
Lawyer! Attorney! Never say a thing!!!!
Meanwhile, the actual culprit is still on the loose!
Imagine a Law system where no one lies.
Don't all the lies hold the whole system together?
Think of their private life always lying to their love ones.
The other issue of a false confession through Deceptive methods is not only do they put an innocent person behind bars, is that the real criminal is still on the street.
My bro. In law was in a car wreck back in the 80s. 10 minutes after he came out of post op.an attorney from other persons insurance company came into his room. He was tore up on pain meds. This man had him sighn away his rights to sue them.in return for a 6800 $ check.
I dated a career cop who was a detective when we met. I left her mainly because she lied. A lot. She even lied to her daughters over little, insignificant things.
The best advice I ever heard is do not talk to a cop. For any reason.
Shouldn't step one of the fix be the elimination of the "pleading to a lesser charge" incentive to lie?
I have told all my kids you do not freely and openly discuss anything with the police without a lawyer present, if you are pulled in for questioning.
NEVER get pulled in for questioning. If they ask you to come to talk - you say NO.
This is going to be a little long. In the early 70's, my brother and I lived on the coast in very northern CA. My brother and his best friend ( BBF ) had started working in the woods for a logging company, so they had the needed gear ( hardhats, cork boots...etc ). Since BBF had a car and gave my brother a ride to work, he left his things in BBF's car. BBF was also into spelunking ( cave exploring ), he kept that equipment in the car as well. One weekend, they were returning from a trip north. They were stopped in Del Notre county by a deputy sheriff. Upon seeing the items in the back seat and the illegally opened trunk, they were told the items were listed on a burglary report and were detained. BFF told my brother to say nothing until he could call his dad. They were taken to the station, separated, and each told "Your buddy confessed and said you were the one who stole the stuff!" My brother simply kept asking to speak to his friend, to which the cops said he can't help you now. In the other room, BFF just kept asking to talk to his father because he could straighten everything out. After a couple of hours, they finally allowed BFF to make his call. He got a hold of his dad, explained the situation to him, then handed the phone to the sheriff saying, "My father would like to speak to you." I wish I could have seen the look on the sheriff's face, as described by BFF, when his father said, " This is US District Court Judge ( BFF's dad, name redacted ). Why are you holding my son and his friend?"
Needless to say, they were released with many apologies and even got back their towed car for free! A deputy stood by as BFF walked around his car looking for any damage. My brother has retold this story ever since it happened. It's good to have friends in high places!
Excellent point, do you think the average poor man would stand the same chance??
Part of the problem ends up being that habit. When you get used to telling lies, then you apparently can't stop telling lies.
Not only a habit, but eventually they can no longer discern what’s a lie and what’s true, the things they say are then determined by their convenience, not on guilt or innocence or truth, or justice.
Did you say the danish teacher died at 27 years old? I'm guessing it was suicide from the stress and shame of the situation, but it wasn't mentioned. If that was the case I think it should be highlighted as much as possible that these lies have such dire consequences.
I was curious about it, too, but Google knows everything. He died of a blood clot.
this was a great episode. No one ever covers this issue.
Absolutely 💯
the bill sounds like a decent idea, however, there should be serious penalties for police depts who continue the practice
Like firing with loss of pension at the very least.
DEATH
How about the same as unconstitutional search?
Lie to a suspect about ANYTHING, and anything and everything they say after that lie can not be admitted as evidence. This should include the law.
E.G. "It's illegal to film me" suddenly becomes a get out of jail free card.
When prosecutors are constantly being berated by judges, ruled against, and losing cases due to bad police work, the police will be forced to change or simply fail constantly.
NEVER NEVER NEVER TALK TO THE COPS WITHOUT A LAWYER
One day when I was in third grade, near the end of the day, we'd all packed our bookbags and put on our coats, and were just milling around killing the last few minutes of the day before we could get on the buses and go home, the vice principal walked into the room. He marched the whole class down to the cafeteria and while we were sitting there wondering what was going on, he scowled at us (he always scowled, as I remember) and said (I'm paraphrasing because it's been a few decades): "We know who you are and what you did, but if you come forward and confess, we'll go easy on you."
And then he proceeded to walk around the room glaring at us with his arms folded over his chest.
Time's blurred how that day ended - I don't remember if someone "confessed" or not, but I remember being allowed to leave and go home. But what I've never forgotten is how angry I was at the vice prinicipal once my parents pointed out that he didn't really know who did whatever it was that set him off - he was trying to avoid a lawsuit from angry parents by intimidating some kid - ANY kid - into "confessing."
I think this early experience is why to this day I have a subconcious loathing of people in positions of power and why I hate dishonesty and sneakiness.