I’ve been enjoying my A7iv so much and have had no issues on weddings or commercial shoots. I’m using the Sigma 18-35 to deal with the crop in 4K and every time I use this camera it blows me away with the image quality. Great video Matt thanks so much!
If you wonder why A7 IV has crop on 4k 60p, it's due to sensor read out speed, which is more then 16,6ms for full sensor needed for 60fps (actualy it's over 26ms). That's why you observe the rolling shutter issue in 4k super35 on A7 IV. To achive 60 fps less lines are being read every frame, so you've got faster read out speed, but also a crop factor. Simultanously horizontal resolution is too low to perform line skiping or line binding, which I beleve A1 doeas with it's 50Mpix sensor. In other words it's not a software limitation, but hardware limitation of the sensor itself.
Don’t you love it when you’re eyeing a new camera and all of a sudden your favorite TH-camr drops a video that justifies your decision? A7Siii B cam, here I come!
Dude, you have helped me so much I can't thank you enough. I have built computers, installed NAS storage systems and now shopping for cameras. You are the Man!
Thank you for testing for overheating in the Texas heat. I often shoot outdoors in Texas and Louisiana, and nobody tests these things in the hellish weather we have. You're the best!
The key difference here I believe is 4k in higher frame rates without cropping but for me I need that crop to happen so that I can get 52/53 on a 35 in 4k 60. If your lights are correct and your color grading is correct you can generate very nice footage in FHD 120 on the A7IV as well.
What did we do to deserve you? I LOVE your videos. You're so easy to understand, I've learned a ton about my gear from you, and I've improved as a filmmaker. Thank you so much!
Great comparison Matt! I got the a7iv on release (after 2 months of waiting for it to ship that is) and just got the FX3 last month. I'd have to say the biggest plus I have with the FX3 over the a7iv is the new Cine EI mode, although not necessary I definitely found it super useful and intuitive to use after a little practice. Also the 4k 120 on the FX3 is a great feature to have, and regarding the overheating , I've had my a7iv overheat on me once in 35 celsius, shooting at 1080p 120 on a gimbal, but that was the only time. The FX3 on the other hand has never overheated no matter the conditions so it is nice not having to sorry about that 😄
Hey Im glad, I saw your comment. I shoot with FX3. I need a b cam and I am considering a74. What do you think about it? How does not shooting with Cine EI mode compared to the footage from FX3 because i shoot with Cine EI on FX3 and I have nothing to compare. Should I save more and buy A7S3 instead?
The A7siii has probably the fastest sensor readout speed, which is below 10ms and is very close to the Alexa. It seems Sony managed to solve the Rolling Shutter issue with this camera. This is possible because of that low megapixel count and I do not think Sony was trying to add a cripple handle when it came to A7siv. With those many megapixels, the higher readout is just not possible. Even Panasonic's Netflix approved camera the S1H, suffers from Rolling Shutter when using the full sensor. The rolling shutter is much better when using the S35 mode on S1H.
As an A7SIII user. Honestly you dont need any sharper video than that. It looks way to digital that we have to turn down the sharpness on the A7SIII. Go try watch your 4K footage at 45mbps and play it on ur 4K tv. Then compare its sharpness to actual 4k feature film’s sharpness. You’ll notice it’s already way too sharp.
I use a7iii, a7IV, and a7siii for my wedding filming. For the shooting experience, a7siii is better than a7IV in every aspect. The 4K 60P crop is really a huge downside on a7IV cause I must use a wider lens, and it would be too wide when I switch to a7siii. In this case, I have to leave 24GM with a7IV on the gimble as a b-camera and use a7siii for most of the filming. That's why I am buying another A7siii (or FX3) now. For the a7iii...it's just too hard to match the color with a7IV and a7siii.
Seeing the two cameras side by side, I still wonder why the A7S III doesn't get the automatic shutter closing down (even though it's a pricier model) whereas the A7 IV and A1 both have it...
When the SIII got released the timing was so bad, took a big hit from covid and now its all good again but i’m kinda waiting for the SIV , hate buying ‘old’ gear.. am i the only one?
Hello, I had a Sony A7II and connected a dummy battery to a NP-F990 for video recording. My question is: for Sony A7C and Sony A7IV can I only operate the camera with USB type C without a dummy battery? If feasible please provide link to product. I tried it but it doesn't work, the settings on the camera are also set to USB-ON. Thanks so much
the key is to wait for the a7 siv 😉😂 just kidding, i can’t really decide the crop and lower framerate is really a point for me but idk if it’s really worth the price I also heard about the better AF on the a7iv is that true ? atm i use the a7 iii and do most of the time videos And the question is, if i really need these 40 frames more 😂
I used to be that tech video camera guy person dude. After shooting 100+ wedding... It just doesn't matter. Story line and good composition rule over the highest tech tech.
So you're willing to film a $3,500 wedding with an iphone right? It's not the tech that matters, its the good composition rule and story line right? I mean, what would your clients think of you using an iphone pro max to film their wedding day? :)
@@foxesofthenorth okay show me examples of smartphone films better than pro camera films? And answer my question, would you show up to a $3,500 dollar wedding with a smartphone? Like showing up to an interview in street clothes rather than a suit.
It does matter, you just say that after upgrading your gear lol cmon man, you aren’t shooting a wedding on your iPhone if all you need is good C and story 🤣
I always love your camera/gear comparison videos because you don't state technical stats and call it a day. You use real world examples, and your own personal opinions. One of the best filmmaking channels on TH-cam.
Why does everyone say exposing the sensitive shutter blades to dust and dirt is a good thing? If it gets stuck your camera is dead. There is no way you are able to clean them.
AMAZING COMPARISON!! Both a great cameras!!! I'm sure not a lot of people realize how much effort and detail it takes for you to make these important videos for us, but some of us definitely do!!!!!! MUCH APPRECIATED!! Blessings!!
The 4k 60 was the ultimate dealbreaker for me with the a7iv. I would have had to buy a wider lens like the 16-35 to compensate for the crop, which averages out with the cost of that camera and the lenses i already own. But I plan on getting an a7iv in the future to compliment my 24p setup. Still love my a7III great B cam, shoots gorgeous 4k 24p with the right lenses, even if it is only 4:2:0.
I have found the A7IV is the best all purpose camera on the market. Once I go to 90% video work I will make the switch or add the A7S III additionally. Good video as always
Great comparison! The a7S III and a7 IV have become my A and B cams on weddings this year, and actually worked out better than I expected as a pair. Unless I need long form continuous 4K 60fps or I'm doing exclusively hi-res photos, they're almost interchangeable for me.
hello, how do the low light 4k60p compare? i know that Full Frame 4K60P VS APSC 4K60P might not be fair comparsion and i dont expect them to perform equally but i like to know if the a7iv 4K60 is usable on atleast ISO 6400. thanks.
@@1994guardian 12800 and above is really where the a7S III/FX3 shines, but the mid tier ISOs (e.g. 3200, 6400, etc.) is definitely usable on the a7 IV, and even better suited in some ways than the a7S III.
I’ve been filming weddings with an A7SIII camera as my main and an A7IV for backup/ceremonies. I did have the A7IV overheat after an hour and a half of 4K 24p (with steadyshot and AF turned off) in an unventilated space. Overall I’d say not to use it for that. Beyond that, though, it’s been just fine, and I love having a B cam that excels at high quality photos.
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Had the same experience, with the A7IV. Use The A7SIII for extensive videos and the A7IV as backup.
I use 2 x a7SIII's for wedding filmmaking, and my wife recently upgraded her a7III's to 2 x a7IV's for wedding photography - and there are days I wish I had both an a7IV and an a7SIII as I think that would provide the greatest flexibility. Now if I want to take photos for fun I borrow an a7IV as the 33-megapixel images are fantastic. As it is - Karen can shoot B roll video on her a7IV for me and it's indistinguishable from my a7SIII footage. Simultaneous recording to dual cards is an absolute must - one unreadable card straight after a wedding shoot is all I needed to convince me of that fact :)
Hey Matt. Love your work as usual. I own both these cameras and just stumbled across something strange. I have both set up exactly the same. XAVC HS 4K 60p 4:2:2 10bit both using Sony Tough 128gb SD cards. For some reason i am only getting a record time of 1 hour 15 minutes on the A7IV but im getting 1 hour 52 minutes out of the A7sIII. Any idea why this might be? I have the FX3 set up the same way and its giving the same as the A7sIII so im just curious what is causing this 37 minute recording difference? Any advice here would be greatly appreciated 🙂
Really helpful thanks. I have an A7iv & an A7iii. Matching them takes work so swapping the A7iii for an A7Siii makes perfect sense. And the 4k 100/120 fps in full frame is difficult to resist. Great videos Matt. Thank you for every one of them.
I had a real hard time deciding which one to get when I wanted to finally upgrade to the Sony. I ended up buying both of them lol. And ya, needed lenses and all too. yikes. lol
thank you for your videos Matt!! I love the clarity, the details in your comparisons and advices. I really enjoy your good vibe and professionalism. Really, one of my favourite filmmaking channels!
I never had overheating issues on my Sony A6400 but started having them on my A7 IV when I upgraded in 4k 30 even. keeping battery door open and a cage definitely helps. Will have to try with dummy batteries. with dummy batteries however I did 3 hour live streams and it was solid.
Great comparison video. I've had the A7iv since it was released. And, as others have said, I am still amazed at the image quality when I shoot video. It is by far the best video camera I've had to date. The FX3 is next on my list of what to get.
I've had my a7s3 for almost a year after watching this video and I don't regret it at all. 4k60 is just perfect without a crop. I've even used 4k120 a few times too and loved it every time. I''m getting a fx3 later this year because i've needed another body for weddings and that one seems like the greatest camera ever made.
At the end of the day I decided on the a7SIII because of that 4k60 crop. But for a more specific use case, real-estate videography. I would have to buy an ultra wide apsc lens to for those shoots and I prefer not having to carry an extra lens around, and the price gap decreased quite substantially when factoring in that extra purchase
I'd argue that line skipped full frame 4k60 will almost certainly use less processing power then both downsampled 7k to 4k and 4.8 to 4k, which will result in less heat to deal with. In my eyes, there are two possibilities: A: They actually told the truth, that, they didn't want to settle for less detail with binned or skipped 4K, so they went with crop or B: They wanted to protect the A7sIII. The problem with both of those are: A: They could've given us both to chose from, so when I go on a real esate shoot I can have the slow mo and wided angle, but when I shoot details I can go in crop mode.. B: All of us video shooters want the A7sIII, and we would love the 4K 120 and full hd 240, the better rolling shutter performance, Raw capabilities via external recorder. That being said, those of us who still struggle to cover expenses, and trying to grow our video business will still get the A7IV instead 'cause it's cheaper. My point is, the 4K60 is not the only advantage of the A7sIII, and I don't think the sales of it will drop if A7IV had it.
great video as always Matt - my a7sIII got stolen and I purchased the a7IV and I really miss the 4k 120, my question is, can you tell the difference between 4k 120 and HD 120? I still don't know the answer, even though I have had both cameras, because isn't the a7IV downsampled to 1080 from a larger sensor? Curious to know what you think
Where a7siii thrives most is durability and consistency. No overheating for filming hours continuesly. No rolling shutter Also it is obviously that a7iv processor can't keep up with 4k (from 7k) resolution in 60 thus that is why it has crop? You may ask why I impy that - because a7iv has rolling shutter and that is usually a clue that processor is not enough to handle that
But the A7siii sucks in lower iso compared to the A7iv. The A7siii has so much noise in lower iso. At 12800 it looks washed out even though youtubers claim it looks the same as the base iso.
Currently I'm using the Sony A7 IV, I would suggest there is one benefit of A7 IV of it's "clear image zoom (x1.5)". Practically I customize into "C2" custom button and just one-click to get instant punch in (x1.5) as long the frame rate is below 4K 50/60p. This feature is greatly welcome especially for run & gun or any filmmaking gigs that are unpredictable. The Panasonic Lumix system cameras also have the similar feature as well.
I think two other points that can get over looked, but are A huge reason I pick up my S3 over the A7IV.. are the higher resolution screen and rolling shutter. They are both significantly better!
I believe I did mention the rolling shutter in the video, and while I agree with you that the s3’s screen is better, it is still not absolutely stellar and filmmakers that want something even better should get a external monitor :)
I'm a wedding videographer, and I have had a negative experience with the A74 overheating whilst shooting a 4K wedding ceremony. It was admittedly a very hot day here in Australia, but it shut down 3 times during a 1/2hr ceremony and was also giving over heating warnings earlier in the day during the bride prep. One of my other shooters experience this as well whilst shooting in 1080p. - It was only my b-roll cam, as I was also running 2 x A7siii's at the same time so it was not the end of the world. - but after this experience I couldn't trust the camera and I sold it strait away and replaced it with another A7siii. - I should add that I have had plenty of experience with the A73 and that never overheated (the A73 doesn't run at the same high bit rate of course).
a7iii does overheat for me as well when it comes to documentary recording. I start to see the overheating warning after the 20 minute mark recording in 4K, XAVC S, 30fps and 8-bit. A7IV does the same for me and im lucky that some of the events I went to, they have ice that i can grab a piece of ice and help cool off the a7iv while letting it rest for 5 minutes. My FX3 have had the overheating symbol shown up at the 30 minute mark but it has never shut down on me which is great! I think people shouldn't use their a7iv as the primary camera unless they give it a good 5 minute break between long recordings
@@harryvuemedia5106 yes I agree, the a74 is fine if you're not relying on it for large clips. Obviously the picture is great. Interesting your experience with the A73 - I've never seen an overheating sitch with the A73, however back when I was using the A73's as main cameras I wasn't shooting 4K often so perhaps thats why I hadn't seen an overheating situation with them. A7siii is definitely the way to go, I've shot for 2hrs strait and they've never failed me.
@@stuARTvideoproductions It was during speeches that would last up to 2 hours. I stay consistent with all my videos so I have to record in 4K resolution even during speeches. I used a V60 Prograde card with the screen flipped out. The a7iii still overheated so I have to use my a7Sii for speeches which I also hacked the camera to allow longer than 30 minute recording time. The a7Sii has overheated too but only in direct sunlight and it can handle long speeches over an hour without any warning temps at all especially with a V30 card. Definitely has to be the sensor readout.
Great video, Matt! Regarding the memory cards, on the A7iv in most video modes, you can simultaneously record on 1 CF Express Type A card and 1 SD card. You do not have to go with 2 SD cards.
Heads up: The A7IV battery life is not as long as the A7III. Typically go through 3 batteries for a 10hr wedding day on the A7S, it's more like 4-5 on the A7IV. Other than that + the increased rolling shutter on the A7IV - there isn't much difference!
Great stuff as always. Unless I"m mistaken, you cannot output RAW from the A7IV. So, if you're using the Atomos Ninja V to capture ProRes, you can only do that with the A7Siii. Is that correct?
Using A7IV in Bali (Tropical Island) with 35-40 Degrees Celsius even indoor with not so cool temprature... , shooting 4K 30p / 60p is easily to get Overheat. I think for video just get a7sIII but thinking of budget just get a7IV.... just adding what matt says :) hope it's useful information.
Question.. Might he a stupid one but I'm switching to Sony but Im gonna keep my mark IV.. Think the video could be matched in post if used as a b-cam?.. Also what ef to E adapter do you recommend to get me by.
@@whoismatt my greens! It could potentially be that one cam is running a Sony 70-200 and the other is running a Rokinon 135? but my greens are way off. My a7siii is pulling more blue and my a7iv pulls more neon.
Matt, have the a7siii and just had the opportunity to work with the a7iv… Hands down; the higher resolution/pixel count of the a7siii EVF and screen was a dealbreaker for me-your side by side should note the quality bump for professionals who want the best possible optic representation via EVF and flip out screen.
Thanks for share this video.. which wide lenses do you recommend for full wedding events with stabilizer.. i don't like to switch lens in the middle of the wedding🥵
Can I shoot oversampling video 4k30p from 7k with all formats (XAVC HS, XAVC S, XAVC S-I ) and also 4k60p from 4.8k with all formats (XAVC HS, XAVC S, XAVC S-I ) ? Thank you.
Hey Matt, question for ya! I have the A7iv and watched your video on how to expose for slog3 and the one question I have is on the zebra. I set it to C2 and put it to 94+ but do I need to do anything with the standard range? Thanks!
Recently i using sony a7 iii camera, in 2023 i want to upgrade, my perpous is wedding cinematography and little bit photos, i am thinking a7 iv / a7 s iii Can you help me to decide
Convinced me to stick with my a7siii Matt! The darker conditions still gets me sometimes when filming real estate listings with low light...grrr...ha, ha! I do like the animal and bird focusing on the iv though!
I have them both and I feel like the a7iv is a better choice the crop doesn’t matter much but for a 1000 dollars cheaper with better quality in my opinion
Just got the A7IV in August. This past weekend was the first wedding shoot with it. I missed my A7III at the time. The over heating and chewing through Batteries was nerve racking. However the image that came out of the A7IV is phenomenal. I would say if your an A7III or A7C user I would go with the A7SIII over the A7IV if you really want to feel like you upgraded.
you can turn off the sensor that stops the camera from recording at high temps. I use the a7siii and a7IV and forgot to turn it off on the a7IV and missed 10 seconds of the ceremony....luckily I still was recording on my 2nd angle with the a7siii. Since turning it off I don't have any issues running/recording. I actually have recorded for several hours with the a7IV many times with no issues. I also use a battery grip which I personally believe helps with dissipating the heat from the battery away from the camera.
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My color presets work great for both the a7 IV and a7S III 😍Get them here - whoismatt.com/luts
hey matt did you use sony grip on sony a7iv??? it may overcome the overheating issue for those who are living in hot regions.
Would you choose the a7rv over these two as a videographer for weddings? Would the fx3 be overkill?
I’ve been enjoying my A7iv so much and have had no issues on weddings or commercial shoots. I’m using the Sigma 18-35 to deal with the crop in 4K and every time I use this camera it blows me away with the image quality. Great video Matt thanks so much!
What lenses do you use for wedding photography ? I'm planning on upgrading my camera from canon rp to Sony a7 iV
If you wonder why A7 IV has crop on 4k 60p, it's due to sensor read out speed, which is more then 16,6ms for full sensor needed for 60fps (actualy it's over 26ms). That's why you observe the rolling shutter issue in 4k super35 on A7 IV. To achive 60 fps less lines are being read every frame, so you've got faster read out speed, but also a crop factor. Simultanously horizontal resolution is too low to perform line skiping or line binding, which I beleve A1 doeas with it's 50Mpix sensor. In other words it's not a software limitation, but hardware limitation of the sensor itself.
Don’t you love it when you’re eyeing a new camera and all of a sudden your favorite TH-camr drops a video that justifies your decision? A7Siii B cam, here I come!
I personally think that the Sony A74 is a Super 35mm cinematic camera with full frame photography capabilities
Dude, you have helped me so much I can't thank you enough. I have built computers, installed NAS storage systems and now shopping for cameras. You are the Man!
Thank you for testing for overheating in the Texas heat. I often shoot outdoors in Texas and Louisiana, and nobody tests these things in the hellish weather we have. You're the best!
The key difference here I believe is 4k in higher frame rates without cropping but for me I need that crop to happen so that I can get 52/53 on a 35 in 4k 60. If your lights are correct and your color grading is correct you can generate very nice footage in FHD 120 on the A7IV as well.
What did we do to deserve you? I LOVE your videos. You're so easy to understand, I've learned a ton about my gear from you, and I've improved as a filmmaker. Thank you so much!
got both, and ive been tryin to decide what one to sell but tbh I dont think I can sell either. Amazing cameras
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Thanks so much man! I have the Sony A7C but have been doing weddings and was trying to decide which to go with A7IV or A7Siii this helped a ton!
Glad to help!
Great comparison Matt! I got the a7iv on release (after 2 months of waiting for it to ship that is) and just got the FX3 last month. I'd have to say the biggest plus I have with the FX3 over the a7iv is the new Cine EI mode, although not necessary I definitely found it super useful and intuitive to use after a little practice. Also the 4k 120 on the FX3 is a great feature to have, and regarding the overheating , I've had my a7iv overheat on me once in 35 celsius, shooting at 1080p 120 on a gimbal, but that was the only time. The FX3 on the other hand has never overheated no matter the conditions so it is nice not having to sorry about that 😄
Can you explain that Cine mode?
Hey Im glad, I saw your comment. I shoot with FX3. I need a b cam and I am considering a74. What do you think about it? How does not shooting with Cine EI mode compared to the footage from FX3 because i shoot with Cine EI on FX3 and I have nothing to compare. Should I save more and buy A7S3 instead?
Thanks Matt !!! Great job !!! Tons of informations, presented in a nicest possible manner. Subscribed 👍
The A7siii has probably the fastest sensor readout speed, which is below 10ms and is very close to the Alexa. It seems Sony managed to solve the Rolling Shutter issue with this camera. This is possible because of that low megapixel count and I do not think Sony was trying to add a cripple handle when it came to A7siv. With those many megapixels, the higher readout is just not possible. Even Panasonic's Netflix approved camera the S1H, suffers from Rolling Shutter when using the full sensor. The rolling shutter is much better when using the S35 mode on S1H.
Great video, i just bought the Sony a7iv for the reasons outlined. Getting into a proper camera for the first time... It's expensive!
You’re gonna love it!
@@whoismatt I'm going to have to work out how to use it first, upgraded from a sony zv1
As an A7SIII user. Honestly you dont need any sharper video than that. It looks way to digital that we have to turn down the sharpness on the A7SIII. Go try watch your 4K footage at 45mbps and play it on ur 4K tv. Then compare its sharpness to actual 4k feature film’s sharpness. You’ll notice it’s already way too sharp.
I like timelapse, I kind of regret that I bought A7S III a year ago and think about exchanging it for A7CII.
I have 2 a7IV Bodies, the crop on 4k really bothers me. I just ordered a7SIII. I also have a Sony FS5 and the a7IV match perfect!
Love from Bangladesh ❤️
My A7mk4 constantly overheats for me. Thinking of getting the a7siii but worried it too will overheat. Did the A7mkIV ever over heat for you?
Do you have the heat setting on high?
I use a7iii, a7IV, and a7siii for my wedding filming. For the shooting experience, a7siii is better than a7IV in every aspect. The 4K 60P crop is really a huge downside on a7IV cause I must use a wider lens, and it would be too wide when I switch to a7siii. In this case, I have to leave 24GM with a7IV on the gimble as a b-camera and use a7siii for most of the filming. That's why I am buying another A7siii (or FX3) now. For the a7iii...it's just too hard to match the color with a7IV and a7siii.
Thank you Matt!
why no one mentioned about rolling shutter? It's significantly better on a7sIII , that's why i'd buy this camera instead a7IV for wed video
what will I be loosing out on when with A7RV, i know A7S III is low light king but how about other features and factors?
Great review
A7iv wouldn't overheat in a 74 degree room on 1080 30 while streaming for 24 hours right? with the overheating settings on
@whoismatt can I still do timelapse sunset/sunrises and astro photography with the A7 IV?
Seeing the two cameras side by side, I still wonder why the A7S III doesn't get the automatic shutter closing down (even though it's a pricier model) whereas the A7 IV and A1 both have it...
My favorite picture profile is Cine4... Don't judge me!!!
Cine4 is great
when is your next live wedding reviews?
Have you updated your 7iv firmware to 1.10? If yes, how many shootings did you have after firmware update, is it stable? Thank you
Hey Matt! I have tried your A74 preset, but didn't work. The camera responded with something like "Cannot use the file"
A7S III. A7R V....Done
Matt, have you had problems with the a7s3 so far? I see on the groups that some are complaining about restarting in the loop
Had zero issues
When the SIII got released the timing was so bad, took a big hit from covid and now its all good again but i’m kinda waiting for the SIV , hate buying ‘old’ gear.. am i the only one?
I think it’ll still be a while before we see the sIV
@@whoismatt i know its a gamble , but Sony kinda keeps there roadmap close to the chest, still using my Sony a7 III atm
Hello, I had a Sony A7II and connected a dummy battery to a NP-F990 for video recording. My question is: for Sony A7C and Sony A7IV can I only operate the camera with USB type C without a dummy battery? If feasible please provide link to product. I tried it but it doesn't work, the settings on the camera are also set to USB-ON.
Thanks so much
The a7iv can support charging over usb c. I don’t know about the a7c though
Matt - I'm presently considering the FX30, do you you use your evf a lot on your A7S3.
PS: doesn't the A74 have clear image zoom and the A7S3 doesn't
I use the evf some but it isn’t absolutely necessary. The a7s3 still has clear image zoom
FX3 ;)
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the key is to wait for the a7 siv 😉😂
just kidding, i can’t really decide
the crop and lower framerate is really a point for me but idk if it’s really worth the price
I also heard about the better AF on the a7iv is that true ?
atm i use the a7 iii and do most of the time videos
And the question is, if i really need these 40 frames more 😂
Af between the a7siii and a7iv was very similar to me
oddly my a7s3 overheats more often than my a74
What?
Me watching this with my sony zv-e10 in other hand 😅😂
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Sony a74 it’s still over heats?! Sony said their firmware update fixed over heating and rolling shutter? WTH
I used to be that tech video camera guy person dude. After shooting 100+ wedding... It just doesn't matter. Story line and good composition rule over the highest tech tech.
Agreed
So you're willing to film a $3,500 wedding with an iphone right? It's not the tech that matters, its the good composition rule and story line right? I mean, what would your clients think of you using an iphone pro max to film their wedding day? :)
@@foxesofthenorth okay show me examples of smartphone films better than pro camera films? And answer my question, would you show up to a $3,500 dollar wedding with a smartphone? Like showing up to an interview in street clothes rather than a suit.
It does matter, you just say that after upgrading your gear lol cmon man, you aren’t shooting a wedding on your iPhone if all you need is good C and story 🤣
@@harryvuemedia5106 th-cam.com/video/Sa68d130ODA/w-d-xo.html I’d be happy with this film
I always love your camera/gear comparison videos because you don't state technical stats and call it a day. You use real world examples, and your own personal opinions. One of the best filmmaking channels on TH-cam.
Thanks so much Bryce!
Why does everyone say exposing the sensitive shutter blades to dust and dirt is a good thing? If it gets stuck your camera is dead. There is no way you are able to clean them.
AMAZING COMPARISON!! Both a great cameras!!! I'm sure not a lot of people realize how much effort and detail it takes for you to make these important videos for us, but some of us definitely do!!!!!! MUCH APPRECIATED!! Blessings!!
The 4k 60 was the ultimate dealbreaker for me with the a7iv. I would have had to buy a wider lens like the 16-35 to compensate for the crop, which averages out with the cost of that camera and the lenses i already own. But I plan on getting an a7iv in the future to compliment my 24p setup. Still love my a7III great B cam, shoots gorgeous 4k 24p with the right lenses, even if it is only 4:2:0.
I have found the A7IV is the best all purpose camera on the market. Once I go to 90% video work I will make the switch or add the A7S III additionally. Good video as always
Great comparison! The a7S III and a7 IV have become my A and B cams on weddings this year, and actually worked out better than I expected as a pair. Unless I need long form continuous 4K 60fps or I'm doing exclusively hi-res photos, they're almost interchangeable for me.
Is inbody stabilization comparable between the two?
@@Miguelfilippo Yes, they both have SteadyShot Active and Standard stabilization. And Active makes a big difference for handheld, etc. use.
@@andrewsaraceni Thanks, this makes A7iv perfectly suitable for my needs :)
hello, how do the low light 4k60p compare? i know that Full Frame 4K60P VS APSC 4K60P might not be fair comparsion and i dont expect them to perform equally but i like to know if the a7iv 4K60 is usable on atleast ISO 6400. thanks.
@@1994guardian 12800 and above is really where the a7S III/FX3 shines, but the mid tier ISOs (e.g. 3200, 6400, etc.) is definitely usable on the a7 IV, and even better suited in some ways than the a7S III.
I’ve been filming weddings with an A7SIII camera as my main and an A7IV for backup/ceremonies. I did have the A7IV overheat after an hour and a half of 4K 24p (with steadyshot and AF turned off) in an unventilated space. Overall I’d say not to use it for that. Beyond that, though, it’s been just fine, and I love having a B cam that excels at high quality photos.
Had the same experience, with the A7IV. Use The A7SIII for extensive videos and the A7IV as backup.
I use 2 x a7SIII's for wedding filmmaking, and my wife recently upgraded her a7III's to 2 x a7IV's for wedding photography - and there are days I wish I had both an a7IV and an a7SIII as I think that would provide the greatest flexibility. Now if I want to take photos for fun I borrow an a7IV as the 33-megapixel images are fantastic. As it is - Karen can shoot B roll video on her a7IV for me and it's indistinguishable from my a7SIII footage.
Simultaneous recording to dual cards is an absolute must - one unreadable card straight after a wedding shoot is all I needed to convince me of that fact :)
Hey Matt. Love your work as usual. I own both these cameras and just stumbled across something strange. I have both set up exactly the same. XAVC HS 4K 60p 4:2:2 10bit both using Sony Tough 128gb SD cards. For some reason i am only getting a record time of 1 hour 15 minutes on the A7IV but im getting 1 hour 52 minutes out of the A7sIII. Any idea why this might be? I have the FX3 set up the same way and its giving the same as the A7sIII so im just curious what is causing this 37 minute recording difference? Any advice here would be greatly appreciated 🙂
Larger sensor on a7iv takes up more data
Really helpful thanks. I have an A7iv & an A7iii. Matching them takes work so swapping the A7iii for an A7Siii makes perfect sense. And the 4k 100/120 fps in full frame is difficult to resist. Great videos Matt. Thank you for every one of them.
I had a real hard time deciding which one to get when I wanted to finally upgrade to the Sony. I ended up buying both of them lol. And ya, needed lenses and all too. yikes. lol
I did the same and I couldn’t be more happy with my gear set for a long while!
thank you for your videos Matt!! I love the clarity, the details in your comparisons and advices.
I really enjoy your good vibe and professionalism.
Really, one of my favourite filmmaking channels!
Another (minor) plus of the A7iv is that you can use APSC lenses and still get a decent photo size and movies in 4k.
I never had overheating issues on my Sony A6400 but started having them on my A7 IV when I upgraded in 4k 30 even. keeping battery door open and a cage definitely helps. Will have to try with dummy batteries. with dummy batteries however I did 3 hour live streams and it was solid.
did you try sony grip any experience??? it may help
Great comparison video. I've had the A7iv since it was released. And, as others have said, I am still amazed at the image quality when I shoot video. It is by far the best video camera I've had to date. The FX3 is next on my list of what to get.
If the A7Siii had all the features that were your preference, would you still purchase it now in 2023, or wait for an upgrade?
I've had my a7s3 for almost a year after watching this video and I don't regret it at all. 4k60 is just perfect without a crop. I've even used 4k120 a few times too and loved it every time. I''m getting a fx3 later this year because i've needed another body for weddings and that one seems like the greatest camera ever made.
I am waiting for the Sony A7SIV
At the end of the day I decided on the a7SIII because of that 4k60 crop. But for a more specific use case, real-estate videography. I would have to buy an ultra wide apsc lens to for those shoots and I prefer not having to carry an extra lens around, and the price gap decreased quite substantially when factoring in that extra purchase
I'd argue that line skipped full frame 4k60 will almost certainly use less processing power then both downsampled 7k to 4k and 4.8 to 4k, which will result in less heat to deal with.
In my eyes, there are two possibilities:
A: They actually told the truth, that, they didn't want to settle for less detail with binned or skipped 4K, so they went with crop
or
B: They wanted to protect the A7sIII.
The problem with both of those are:
A: They could've given us both to chose from, so when I go on a real esate shoot I can have the slow mo and wided angle, but when I shoot details I can go in crop mode..
B: All of us video shooters want the A7sIII, and we would love the 4K 120 and full hd 240, the better rolling shutter performance, Raw capabilities via external recorder. That being said, those of us who still struggle to cover expenses, and trying to grow our video business will still get the A7IV instead 'cause it's cheaper. My point is, the 4K60 is not the only advantage of the A7sIII, and I don't think the sales of it will drop if A7IV had it.
Another massive selling point between these two is that the S supports external ProRes and the 4 does not
great video as always Matt - my a7sIII got stolen and I purchased the a7IV and I really miss the 4k 120, my question is, can you tell the difference between 4k 120 and HD 120? I still don't know the answer, even though I have had both cameras, because isn't the a7IV downsampled to 1080 from a larger sensor? Curious to know what you think
Where a7siii thrives most is durability and consistency. No overheating for filming hours continuesly. No rolling shutter
Also it is obviously that a7iv processor can't keep up with 4k (from 7k) resolution in 60 thus that is why it has crop? You may ask why I impy that - because a7iv has rolling shutter and that is usually a clue that processor is not enough to handle that
But the A7siii sucks in lower iso compared to the A7iv. The A7siii has so much noise in lower iso. At 12800 it looks washed out even though youtubers claim it looks the same as the base iso.
Currently I'm using the Sony A7 IV, I would suggest there is one benefit of A7 IV of it's "clear image zoom (x1.5)". Practically I customize into "C2" custom button and just one-click to get instant punch in (x1.5) as long the frame rate is below 4K 50/60p.
This feature is greatly welcome especially for run & gun or any filmmaking gigs that are unpredictable. The Panasonic Lumix system cameras also have the similar feature as well.
the a7siii has this feature too, right?
I didn't own the A7S3 so unable to verify for you but you can watch other videos or check the full spec/manual of the camera to double confirm.
Does the over-sampling apply for 1080p recordings as well?
If I could only have one it would definitely be the A7SIII. Thankfully, i have both. And the FX3. 😁
a7siii footage have a unique look from other sony camara i feel
i'm agree
just bought my 3rd a7S3 and loving them still to this day!
Due to the oversampling, the A7 IV is better is nicer when you want to crop in a lot in post. Means you can crop in more.
A7s3 is crippled by Sony a74 is 1000 cheaper and has better options software wise strange
I think two other points that can get over looked, but are A huge reason I pick up my S3 over the A7IV.. are the higher resolution screen and rolling shutter. They are both significantly better!
I believe I did mention the rolling shutter in the video, and while I agree with you that the s3’s screen is better, it is still not absolutely stellar and filmmakers that want something even better should get a external monitor :)
@@whoismatt sorry I missed it some how lol! But yes that’s also true!
you're amazing dude, many thanks for such a detailed content
I'm a wedding videographer, and I have had a negative experience with the A74 overheating whilst shooting a 4K wedding ceremony. It was admittedly a very hot day here in Australia, but it shut down 3 times during a 1/2hr ceremony and was also giving over heating warnings earlier in the day during the bride prep. One of my other shooters experience this as well whilst shooting in 1080p. - It was only my b-roll cam, as I was also running 2 x A7siii's at the same time so it was not the end of the world. - but after this experience I couldn't trust the camera and I sold it strait away and replaced it with another A7siii. - I should add that I have had plenty of experience with the A73 and that never overheated (the A73 doesn't run at the same high bit rate of course).
a7iii does overheat for me as well when it comes to documentary recording. I start to see the overheating warning after the 20 minute mark recording in 4K, XAVC S, 30fps and 8-bit. A7IV does the same for me and im lucky that some of the events I went to, they have ice that i can grab a piece of ice and help cool off the a7iv while letting it rest for 5 minutes. My FX3 have had the overheating symbol shown up at the 30 minute mark but it has never shut down on me which is great! I think people shouldn't use their a7iv as the primary camera unless they give it a good 5 minute break between long recordings
@@harryvuemedia5106 yes I agree, the a74 is fine if you're not relying on it for large clips. Obviously the picture is great. Interesting your experience with the A73 - I've never seen an overheating sitch with the A73, however back when I was using the A73's as main cameras I wasn't shooting 4K often so perhaps thats why I hadn't seen an overheating situation with them. A7siii is definitely the way to go, I've shot for 2hrs strait and they've never failed me.
@@stuARTvideoproductions It was during speeches that would last up to 2 hours. I stay consistent with all my videos so I have to record in 4K resolution even during speeches. I used a V60 Prograde card with the screen flipped out. The a7iii still overheated so I have to use my a7Sii for speeches which I also hacked the camera to allow longer than 30 minute recording time. The a7Sii has overheated too but only in direct sunlight and it can handle long speeches over an hour without any warning temps at all especially with a V30 card. Definitely has to be the sensor readout.
Antiflicker is much needed in the A7S3.
Just bought the a7s3 for $3600 aud, still has 1 year of warranty. Feel like I hit the jackpot, is in perfect condition.
Great video, Matt! Regarding the memory cards, on the A7iv in most video modes, you can simultaneously record on 1 CF Express Type A card and 1 SD card. You do not have to go with 2 SD cards.
I had an FX3 and it overheated all the time at 4K30
Heads up: The A7IV battery life is not as long as the A7III. Typically go through 3 batteries for a 10hr wedding day on the A7S, it's more like 4-5 on the A7IV. Other than that + the increased rolling shutter on the A7IV - there isn't much difference!
Great stuff as always. Unless I"m mistaken, you cannot output RAW from the A7IV. So, if you're using the Atomos Ninja V to capture ProRes, you can only do that with the A7Siii. Is that correct?
Using A7IV in Bali (Tropical Island) with 35-40 Degrees Celsius even indoor with not so cool temprature... , shooting 4K 30p / 60p is easily to get Overheat. I think for video just get a7sIII but thinking of budget just get a7IV.... just adding what matt says :) hope it's useful information.
Question.. Might he a stupid one but I'm switching to Sony but Im gonna keep my mark IV.. Think the video could be matched in post if used as a b-cam?.. Also what ef to E adapter do you recommend to get me by.
If it wasn't for the terrible Rolling Shutter on the A7IV, it would be a fantastic camera with 10-bit 60fps Slog3 and no more focus breathing!
I have both, but I’m struggling a bit to get the profiles to match! Any tips?
I've found them to be near identical. Is there a specific color you're having issues with?
@@whoismatt my greens! It could potentially be that one cam is running a Sony 70-200 and the other is running a Rokinon 135? but my greens are way off. My a7siii is pulling more blue and my a7iv pulls more neon.
Matt, have the a7siii and just had the opportunity to work with the a7iv… Hands down; the higher resolution/pixel count of the a7siii EVF and screen was a dealbreaker for me-your side by side should note the quality bump for professionals who want the best possible optic representation via EVF and flip out screen.
Thanks for share this video.. which wide lenses do you recommend for full wedding events with stabilizer.. i don't like to switch lens in the middle of the wedding🥵
Btw I have the sonya7iv + 50mm it's perfect camera for hybrid shots😍
Can I shoot oversampling video 4k30p from 7k with all formats (XAVC HS, XAVC S, XAVC S-I ) and also 4k60p from 4.8k with all formats (XAVC HS, XAVC S, XAVC S-I ) ?
Thank you.
Hey Matt, question for ya! I have the A7iv and watched your video on how to expose for slog3 and the one question I have is on the zebra. I set it to C2 and put it to 94+ but do I need to do anything with the standard range? Thanks!
Recently i using sony a7 iii camera, in 2023 i want to upgrade, my perpous is wedding cinematography and little bit photos, i am thinking a7 iv / a7 s iii
Can you help me to decide
Convinced me to stick with my a7siii Matt! The darker conditions still gets me sometimes when filming real estate listings with low light...grrr...ha, ha! I do like the animal and bird focusing on the iv though!
What about 50p video crop factor for A7IV?
I have them both and I feel like the a7iv is a better choice the crop doesn’t matter much but for a 1000 dollars cheaper with better quality in my opinion
I do see the option for human or animal in the Face/Eye Subject menu option on the A7SIII. Does the A7IV offer something different?
Go look up video pipeline processing. You’ll get a better understanding why frame rates vary.
Matt, you're always crushing it with the videos and information. Thank you.
Just got the A7IV in August. This past weekend was the first wedding shoot with it. I missed my A7III at the time. The over heating and chewing through Batteries was nerve racking. However the image that came out of the A7IV is phenomenal. I would say if your an A7III or A7C user I would go with the A7SIII over the A7IV if you really want to feel like you upgraded.
you can turn off the sensor that stops the camera from recording at high temps. I use the a7siii and a7IV and forgot to turn it off on the a7IV and missed 10 seconds of the ceremony....luckily I still was recording on my 2nd angle with the a7siii. Since turning it off I don't have any issues running/recording. I actually have recorded for several hours with the a7IV many times with no issues. I also use a battery grip which I personally believe helps with dissipating the heat from the battery away from the camera.
I have absolutely no issues with 4k24/30 .
Love watching your videos I’m in Houston if you have a gig i would love to shoot BTS for you for free to get experience
Hello Matt can you please update the list of laptops for 4K video editing in budget and affordable price your last videos are 1 year old