Hi Sam, love the show, loved the review so much i went and bought a M510 Carbon Frame bike kit from GBK and they were very helpful in making sure i purchased all the right parts. Delivery was a lot quicker than i thought and had everything inside 4 weeks. I`m have the frame part vinyl wrap and should be starting the build 03/01/24. It will be interesting how it performs against my Orbea Wild FS. Keep up the great work you do for the E-Bike community.
@@grzybex6727 Bafang uses VESC and VESC is open source. It's not a closed ecosystem like Bosch and Shimano. You can tune it however you want and the firmware with the desired performance is freely available on the internet. There is no internal hardware to lord over your agency like the European brands.
I have the m510 36v 720watt. It's strong, but it doesn't feel very smooth. It's kind of "on and off " what can I do to improve the smoothness of my motor? Is it any risk when changing the firmware? How do I know which firmware is correct for me and so on. Any help is greatly appreciated 👍
Hello from Australia I have a ebike har trail xds E electro. The bike originally comes with the bafang m500. After 900 of km with the m500 I charge with the m510 . What a huge difference in power and torque. Because I bought the motor straight from china is unlocked in 32km per hour. Believe me is huge difference with the previous motor and I believe is One Of The most powerful motors out there
Hello, I am very happy to meet someone who knows someone involved in the Bafang developpement because I had a proposal that would be an awesome sales argument, and would be cheap I think: Given it does have a gear sensor, why not using this to automate the gear shifting acording to the speed at wich you'r riding ? (via Di2 or concurrent alike) It could even move a bit the chain ring while you're not pedaling, to make sure the right cog is on !
Bafgang has historically been the go to brand for ebike kits, and DIY ebike builders, but they are slowly creeping in on the dominate ones, especially with up and coming motor companies making waves like fauza and tq. So I think bafgang will keepig taking market share, especially at their price point. One day we will have a "standard" ebike drive unit mounting setup, and we the consumers and riders will be able to chose what motor we want to go with what bike, one day..... The "rideability" or "natural feeling" that the bafgang lacks, is mainly due to the quality of calibration, and is often overlooked by many of the oem bike brands around. There are a few like bosch or specialized, that probably has the best user interface for custom calibrations; but they still lack true "rider tuning" or ability to "learn/adapt" how they ride. One of my biggest frustrations as one that likes to "tune" their own vehicles, is the lack of opensource software or calibration options that the big 3 motor oem's (possibly 4 w/ bafgang), for those that could actually "tune" their own bikes, or provide options for the community. Currently, only options, which are still limited, are dealer only software and custom dongle's , primarily used for just warranty, maintenance, and those that can't do over the air updates. I will say bafgang historically did have opensource options for full calibrations, but I believe that has stopped with their newer models. Also their are options out there but they mainly are for circumventing speed limits (which are dumb, we can do speed limits, but not proper theft prevention) and just provide the standard options that should be available by default for all consumers, like setting up lights, changing wheel size, creating a couple of pre-saved user profiles, and few offering power delivery adjustments. Rant over, but I think eventually there will be solutions, but it will probably follow a similar path that auto tuning/calibration options did like efi-live, hptuners, openecu, etc.; where these private companies have to reverse engineer the ecu's from the oem's, and each year the oem's make it harder.
great motor on par with my bosch. This thing is powerful, just wish it would come on a nice, discreet bike. Currently, the M510 comes on only a monster truck frame.
Nice video. I have an e10 with the 840wh battery and the m510. My experience on range is similar to yours--a bit thirsty than Bosch/Shimano/Brose making the 840 bat on Bafang about equal to a 750 oh B/S/B.
And fun starts when you add a throttle. It is giving me 750W with 48V battery and much more stronger then other legal motors. Did test it on 3.2km uphil, 230m - time 6:58m, second guy in a strava table has 7:50 (and thats unlocked bosch or brose)
Can you really install a throttle on the M510 motor? How? Bafang's own specifications state that a throttle is not an option for the M510. However, almost all other Bafang M motors do have this feature.
The fascination with power on an E bike.................why not cut to the chase and get a dirtbike? Or electric dirtbike. 45HP is easily had on a good 2 stroke and is a whole lot of fun. 12" of travel is very handy. My Canyon E CF8 has the 75NM EP8 motor and will climb anything, Im ok with pedaling to provide power also. 95NM has got to suck a battery down pretty fast.
well... depends what mode your in... eh? I often go out and do some climbs in mode 1 or 2... and get alot more distance... I've gotten 55 miles out of mine on a recent guiding trip...
👍God review, as usual👏. But this EWS and this engine with over rider, should be banned as this over ride becomes an advantage over these engines that do NOT have this, and what do the rules say about how many meters of over ride you can have. This is a way of killing interest in the sport and can be compared to doping.😉
Riders finally the Bafang M510 long term review is out...... like always got any questions just ask.
Why aren’t you talking about the torque sensor. It is no where near as smooth as a Bosch when it initially engages.
Hi Sam, love the show, loved the review so much i went and bought a M510 Carbon Frame bike kit from GBK and they were very helpful in making sure i purchased all the right parts. Delivery was a lot quicker than i thought and had everything inside 4 weeks. I`m have the frame part vinyl wrap and should be starting the build 03/01/24. It will be interesting how it performs against my Orbea Wild FS. Keep up the great work you do for the E-Bike community.
Riders, best thing about Bafang is how easy it is to remove the moronic speed restrictions without any additional hardware bypass.
How what to do
@@grzybex6727 Bafang uses VESC and VESC is open source. It's not a closed ecosystem like Bosch and Shimano. You can tune it however you want and the firmware with the desired performance is freely available on the internet. There is no internal hardware to lord over your agency like the European brands.
How do you do that?
@@headnorthfilms7754 The same way you update your firmware. With the VESC app.
I have the m510 36v 720watt. It's strong, but it doesn't feel very smooth. It's kind of "on and off " what can I do to improve the smoothness of my motor? Is it any risk when changing the firmware? How do I know which firmware is correct for me and so on. Any help is greatly appreciated 👍
Hello from Australia I have a ebike har trail xds E electro. The bike originally comes with the bafang m500. After 900 of km with the m500 I charge with the m510 . What a huge difference in power and torque. Because I bought the motor straight from china is unlocked in 32km per hour. Believe me is huge difference with the previous motor and I believe is One Of The most powerful motors out there
Hello, I am very happy to meet someone who knows someone involved in the Bafang developpement because I had a proposal that would be an awesome sales argument, and would be cheap I think:
Given it does have a gear sensor, why not using this to automate the gear shifting acording to the speed at wich you'r riding ? (via Di2 or concurrent alike)
It could even move a bit the chain ring while you're not pedaling, to make sure the right cog is on !
Bafgang has historically been the go to brand for ebike kits, and DIY ebike builders, but they are slowly creeping in on the dominate ones, especially with up and coming motor companies making waves like fauza and tq. So I think bafgang will keepig taking market share, especially at their price point. One day we will have a "standard" ebike drive unit mounting setup, and we the consumers and riders will be able to chose what motor we want to go with what bike, one day.....
The "rideability" or "natural feeling" that the bafgang lacks, is mainly due to the quality of calibration, and is often overlooked by many of the oem bike brands around. There are a few like bosch or specialized, that probably has the best user interface for custom calibrations; but they still lack true "rider tuning" or ability to "learn/adapt" how they ride.
One of my biggest frustrations as one that likes to "tune" their own vehicles, is the lack of opensource software or calibration options that the big 3 motor oem's (possibly 4 w/ bafgang), for those that could actually "tune" their own bikes, or provide options for the community. Currently, only options, which are still limited, are dealer only software and custom dongle's , primarily used for just warranty, maintenance, and those that can't do over the air updates.
I will say bafgang historically did have opensource options for full calibrations, but I believe that has stopped with their newer models. Also their are options out there but they mainly are for circumventing speed limits (which are dumb, we can do speed limits, but not proper theft prevention) and just provide the standard options that should be available by default for all consumers, like setting up lights, changing wheel size, creating a couple of pre-saved user profiles, and few offering power delivery adjustments.
Rant over, but I think eventually there will be solutions, but it will probably follow a similar path that auto tuning/calibration options did like efi-live, hptuners, openecu, etc.; where these private companies have to reverse engineer the ecu's from the oem's, and each year the oem's make it harder.
great motor on par with my bosch. This thing is powerful, just wish it would come on a nice, discreet bike. Currently, the M510 comes on only a monster truck frame.
Nice video. I have an e10 with the 840wh battery and the m510. My experience on range is similar to yours--a bit thirsty than Bosch/Shimano/Brose making the 840 bat on Bafang about equal to a 750 oh B/S/B.
I used this motor & battery on my DIY Build... LOVE IT!!
Great review sam, i have this motor in a Dengfu e10 its the best bike I’ve owned & I’ve had a few.
Great video Sam. As informative as ever.
Cheers Sam top review , good bike , good price , top motor.
And fun starts when you add a throttle. It is giving me 750W with 48V battery and much more stronger then other legal motors. Did test it on 3.2km uphil, 230m - time 6:58m, second guy in a strava table has 7:50 (and thats unlocked bosch or brose)
Can you really install a throttle on the M510 motor? How? Bafang's own specifications state that a throttle is not an option for the M510. However, almost all other Bafang M motors do have this feature.
@@JukkaM Yes, all bafangs, except M820.
Just buy a cable with display and throttle connector. And thumb throttle.
@@dado304 It seems that there is firmware FC1.0 which work with throttle and in FC2.1 throttle is disabled.
the M510 mid drive is good tribe trikes have them installed their Ricky Rickshaw that I am about to buy
Thanks - very useful info!
Not a problem rider!
I saw other reviewers say they thought the motor was overheating and throttling back on long climbs..what say you on that Sam?
Not at all I just did 1700m of vertical climbing all in the highest mode and zero problems
@@SamsBikesRight on Legend! Thanks for the reply.
I`m looking for my fist e-MTB, so what do you think about CTM Areon with Bafang M500 motor and CTM IGB 770Wh battery? any good and reliable?
Hello. Does the m510 work well at low RPM?
What is the maximum assist speed when pedaling?
Bafang power
What brand eBike it's?
The fascination with power on an E bike.................why not cut to the chase and get a dirtbike? Or electric dirtbike.
45HP is easily had on a good 2 stroke and is a whole lot of fun. 12" of travel is very handy.
My Canyon E CF8 has the 75NM EP8 motor and will climb anything, Im ok with pedaling to provide power also. 95NM has got to suck a battery down pretty fast.
You can’t ride a two stroke in a bike bark
well... depends what mode your in... eh? I often go out and do some climbs in mode 1 or 2... and get alot more distance... I've gotten 55 miles out of mine on a recent guiding trip...
How safe is the battery tho, should I bring marshmallows?
I'm gonna buy NVG..
35km and 1400m?? I get 50km and 1300m on my Bosch 750!!!
I did 52km and 2000m ascent with 840Wh. And wasnt only on level one. Uphils went on level 3.
Got this bike ABS?
No
Bafang sounds too much like Gangbang..
You could build a much better ebike using a BBSHD without all the limitations and drawbacks.
👍God review, as usual👏.
But this EWS and this engine with over rider, should be banned as this over ride becomes an advantage over these engines that do NOT have this, and what do the rules say about how many meters of over ride you can have.
This is a way of killing interest in the sport and can be compared to doping.😉