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In a debate moderated by TIMES NOW's Editor-in-Chief Arnab Goswami, panelists -- Maroof Raza, Strategic Affairs Analyst; Maj Gen (Retd) G D Bakshi, Editor, Indian Military Review; K C Singh, Former Secy, MEA; Air Vice Marshall (Retd) Abid Rao, Defence Analyst; Ahmed Raza Kasuri, Chief Co ordinator, All Pakistan Muslim League; and Major General ( Retd) Rashid Qureshi, Former Spokesperson to Musharraf -- discuss the issue of India calling off Foreign Secretary-level talks with Pakistan, and whether this is India's strongest message ever to Pakistan.
Taking a strong note of Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit's meeting with Kashmiri separatist leaders, India on Aug 18 called off the Foreign Secretary-level talks with Pakistan scheduled to be held in Islamabad on August 25 and conveyed to the neighbouring country that such things were "not acceptable". Shortly before the first of the separatist leaders Shabir Shah drove into the Pakistan mission in New Delhi, Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh telephoned Basit and told him "in clear and unambiguous terms that Pakistan's continued efforts to interfere in Indias internal affairs were unacceptable. Since Basit went ahead with the meeting with Shah which was to be followed with consultations with other separatist leaders tomorrow, India announced cancellation of the talks agreed upon by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif in May in a bid to break two-year-old stalemate in the bilateral dialogue process. The only path available to Pakistan is to resolve outstanding issues through a peaceful bilateral dialogue within the framework and principles of the Simla Agreement and the Lahore Declaration, MEA Spokesperson Syed Akbaruddin said. "Therefore, under the present circumstances, it is felt that no useful purpose will be served by the Indian Foreign Secretary going to Islamabad next week." the Spokesperson added. Ahead of the talks in Islamabad, Basit had invited separatist leaders from Kashmir "for consultations" in New Delhi. Pakistan envoys had in the past too talked to separatists from Kashmir before any major diplomatic initiative with India. However, Islamabad broke from this practice when Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif visited India to attend the swearing-in ceremony of PM Narendra Modi in May this year. Sharif was severely criticised in Pakistan for not meeting Kashmiri separatists. Meanwhile, defence experts opine that the spurt in ceasefire violations by Pakistani army along the LoC as an attempt to scuttle the Foreign Secretary-level talks between the two sides. There have been 48 ceasefire violations -- 11 since August 8 -- from across the border in 2014 and observers feel that these are part of Pakistan army's game plan to scuttle the talks. Separatists from Kashmir expressed surprise over India's decision to cancel the proposed Foreign Secretary-level talks with Pakistan saying it was "unfortunate" and would only ensure that the stand-off between the two countries continued. Government's decision to call off Foreign Secretary-level talks with Pakistan evoked strong reactions from Congress which accused it of adopting "opaque and incoherent" foreign policy while BJP termed it as a "bold" move. Dismissing the Narendra Modi government's move as mere "theatrics", Congress spokesperson Anand Sharma said it is sending "confusing" signals vis-a-vis India's polcy in dealing with Pakistan. He questioned PM Narendra Modi for agreeing to hold talks in the first place in the face of "constant provocation" from Pakistan.
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Enough of Kasuri, Arnab. The man shouldn't be given any air time to express his toxicity.
Sir Im not lalaji LOL
The debate should be conducted fairly
Provide 720p videos
Maharof Raza, you have my utmost respect as a patriotic Hindu. If Muslims the world over were like u, at least 33% of the problems humanity faces would be solved. Thank you for defending the nation that I love. Jai hind.
we love you....AG and maroof sir.....
Why even are they invited ?
Pakistan is neither evil nor is it stupid.
It has simply crossed the boundaries of basic sanity.
Kashmir banayga Pakistan.
How long can Indian sustain a 3/1 ratio of army officers as compared to Kashmiri civilians.
Maroof Raza is inspirational #Respect
arnab is very good
Maroof is arguably the best read and informed person about our strategic relationship. Awesome maroof
How these Pakistanis giving irrelevant answers of straight questions.....we should invite them for debates..
People like Kasuri should not be called to debates. We should not give any platform to air their bad views. And look Kasuri is talking about the great democracy, who hails from a country who in its independent history was ruled by military 50 out of 68 years.
Oye Lalaji kaun hai??
My request to all my Indian Friends , Please do't talk bad about any religion, We have Muslims true Indian... Issue is India Pakistan.. Lets talk about that only...
I am so surprised with the comments from the NC and other separatist. After so long India has taken a firm position to call off the talks.
A true patriotic is definitely going to support the centre government decision.
LOL !
Even Arnab doesn't care what Pakistan is upto, or what their representatives have to say.
And Lalaji hahahahahaha! Kasuri was trying to calm Arnab down.
Kudos maroof..great respect for him..a true indian...and I don't know why Pakistanis refrain from giving clear and straight answers rather they always bring up the Kashmir issue especially this lunatic kasoori...
As always, a "staged fight" by Arnab. Paying panelists to play specific roles and pour vitriol to fulfil a one hour wrestling spectacle !
Arnab lacked his skills in this debate
Maroof Raza is very intelligent a person, who is clearly understand the neighbour`s dirty politics to divide india on the basis of religion. I have a lot of respect in my heart for such type persons.
काश्मीर हमारा था, हमारा है और हमारा ही रहेगा। काश्मीर पर हम कोई समझौता नहीं करेंगे, चाहे पाकिस्तान कुछ भी कर ले।
کشمیر ہمارا تھا،ہمارا ہے اور ہمارا ہی رہےگا۔ کشمیر پر ہم کوئی سمجھوتا نہیں کریں گے،چاہے پاکستان کچھ بھی کر لے۔
Kashmir belonged to us,belongs to us and will eternally remain with us. We will not compromise anything on Kashmir, irrespective of what Pakistan does.
I'm so confused as to why Indian people don't pick up on the bias of indian media... The anchor does most of the job...
He is an asshole. That's one thing Indians and Pakistanis both can agree on. His points are not flawed, but the way he presents them is not right. As for biases of the Indian media, I would argue for the opposite ie bias of the Pakistani media.
Y can't we hold seperatist n put behind bars ... Under action of violation of indian integrity !!!!
Is this DISCUSSION or just BARKING BARKING BARKING all the way..!! Here we realize the skill of RAJDEEP SARDESAI.. He will moderate the discussion in a very mature and subtle way.! Where is he now??
GIVE JUSTICE TO KASHMIRI PANDITS
Pls broadcast news that American Muslims petitioned to UN to intervene and save ppl used by Qadir from becoming gun fodder.
Address to the United Nations 9-1-14
Arnab should stop conducting these debates , he is extremely unfair in conducting debates now a days , does not give an opportunity for people who have a different opinion (other than his opinion) to speak and when he allows shall keep interfering and project as if the other person does not have an answer.
Very true
finally someone who rejects hyped up and futile programme which is just to increase rating to make money. lol
agree 100% immature.
arnab should watch this To The Point: Are India & Pak too immature to get out of the rut they have dug? -I
United Nations Security Council Resolution 47, adopted on April 21, 1948, after hearing arguments from both India and Pakistan the Council increased the size of the Commission established by United Nations Security Council Resolution 39 to five members, instructed the Commission to go to the subcontinent and help the governments of India and Pakistan restore peace and order to the region and prepare for a plebiscite to decide the fate of Kashmir. The resolution was passed by United Nations Security Council under chapter VI of UN Charter.[1] Resolutions passed under Chapter VI of UN charter are considered non binding and have no mandatory enforceability as opposed to the resolutions passed under Chapter VII.[2][3][4]
The resolution recommended that in order to ensure the impartiality of the plebiscite Pakistan withdraw all tribesmen and nationals who entered the region for the purpose of fighting and that India leave only the minimum number of troops needed to keep civil order. The Commission was also to send as many observers into the region as it deemed necessary to ensure the provisions of the resolution were enacted. Pakistan ignored the UN mandate, did not withdraw its troops and claimed the withdrawal of Indian forces was a prerequisite as per this resolution.[5] Indian claim is that Subsequently Pakistan refused to implement the plebiscite until India accedes to it and continued holding on to the portion of Kashmir under its control.[6] [7]
The resolution was adopted paragraph by paragraph; no vote on the resolution as a whole was taken.
I don't understand, why does Arnab invite this man Kasuri.
If Arnab wants a Pakistani view point get some civilized citizen.
Please don't insult your viewers by inviting such uncivilized people to Show.
Even after continuous appeal from Maruf y don't u cut him off? This will not u TRP Mr. Arnab. Please don't insult us.
They'll never be straight forward about their talks as usual and look who's asking for Kashmir, its a country who's own people are getting killed everyday in one bomb blast or the other. Anyways great job #arnab
Ok i think this is horrible journalism by Mr. Goswami. He is supposed to be a neutral moderator and not imposing his views upon others like the way he does. Thats the whole point of journalism or reporting.
Deaf cant hear..!
All what India wants is honest intentions shown by the Pakistani counterparts for solving the Kashmir issue.
And clearly Pakistan have failed to facilitate the very minimum of what is expected of them.
And what will this lead to?
NOTHING.
We brothers who have had a common history will keep fighting on this issue.I don't know what transpired within the British Government during the time of division of India, but them leaving a disputed territory was apparently intentional. They left, but they left with a belief that this deadlock will hamper the growth of these brother countries. Sadly, this is the bitter truth. When other countries have moved much ahead in all fields, we still reel behind.
Until the leaders of both countries shed their ego and honestly find a solution to this dispute, I don't see any logical end to this. There will be bloodshed, more wars, hampered economy, more pain, more bitter memories. Someone rightly said, the entropy(read disorderness) of the universe always increases. Chaos will prevail. That will become a way of life. You gain nothing significant, one shall live in the glory of a war won, a war that would never have been, and the other with more and more hatred.
If you ask me what's the most precious thing in the world today?
It's PEACE.
A pakistani is calling our Indian PM a terorist... How does they allow him to do soo.... This is shocking... Pakistan should be taught tough lessons.... How dare he can speak like this in front of millions of viewers....
***** one world no religion.
That is also impossible unless the majority wakes up....!!!!
lol i hate arnab. he starts with shouting and his show ends with everyone shouting.
I don't know wen these Pakistanis ll grow up ... They r preoccupied wit some old thoughts ... Dat kasoori is out of his mind ...he need some treatment ...if Pakistan don't hav some good hospitals !!!he can get treated in India ..ll treat him free of cost by requesting our pm modi ... Lol
arnab aru maroof ok dom di dile re
useless debate, just take and whats ours, neglect the neighbors to themselves
The interviewer is not allowing others to express their views or answer a question fully. He is shouting over their voices. He has ruined the whole session. It is very odd. He shouts too much. The viewers like to listen to one voice at a time, whoever that speaks. Anyway do you think there is going to be a war in order to solve the problem since the talks are abandoned?
I agree.............. Too much noice and nothing come out of it, when all who took part go back angry and upset. Such a waste of time........Why can't they be civil to each other when discussing important politics?
Jeya D It looks like a probability the way the media react even judging by this interview................but sensibility of a steady government...hopefully could have a different approach............
Arnab give equal time... u waste time by unbase n nonsense questions...tum pagalo ki Tarah chikta rahata ho
Mahroof baap hai haha !
Pls broadcast news that American Muslims petitioned to UN to intervene and save ppl used by Qadir from becoming gun fodder.
Address to the United Nations 9-1-14