Bruh Zoroastrians are mentioned in the Bible , the Isaiah prophecies , the wise men attending the virgin birth ! God loves them for the fact they worshiped one God first
“Ahura (Mazda)” is one in the same with “YHWH”…. Zoroaster was just an ancient prophet of God. People don’t understand that things are just translated in different ways?
No idea how your coming to that conclusion dude. The wise men were men trusting in the coming messiah for salvation. Faith ALONE saves. Works plus faith makes Fath void (first 8 chapters of Romans and the entire gospel of john specifically. But it is referenced in every other book of the new testament and many of the old) You can worship God all you want and praise the living single God of Isreal all to your hearts desire, and go straight to hell if you still think you can be your own lawyer and justify yourself before him. You better take Jesus as your lawyer and shut up! Let the begotten Son of God get you off the hook for your sins! It is very simple to be saved and takes only a minute to explain. Please let me show you how to get to Heaven from the Bible, God's Word... Man is a Sinner in the Eyes of a Holy God. Isaiah 53:6, “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”Romans 3:19, “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”John 3:3, “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”Romans 3:10, “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.”Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” There is a Price For Our Sin―Burning in Hell Forever. Romans 6:23, “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”2nd Thessalonians 1:8, “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.”Revelation 20:15, "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”Revelation 21:8, “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” Jesus paid that price by dying on the cross and shedding His blood; Christ was buried and bodily rose again the third day! Romans 5:8, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”1st Timothy 1:15, “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”1st Peter 1:18-19, “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ...”1st Corinthians 15:1-4, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.” This is the Gospel. By faith in Jesus Christ ALONE we are immediately saved.Galatians 3:26, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”John 11:25, “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.”John 6:28-29, “Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”John 14:6, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”Mark 1:15, “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”Acts 26:18, “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”Romans 10:13, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”1st Corinthians 3:11, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”Galatians 3:26, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” Salvation is NOT found in a religion or good works, but in a Person... The LORD JESUS CHRIST! Simply BELIEVE the Gospel and You Are Saved!
@@TheArmchairPriest he's not a prophet of God if he can't even get salvation right! It is very simple to be saved and takes only a minute to explain. Please let me show you how to get to Heaven from the Bible, God's Word... Man is a Sinner in the Eyes of a Holy God. Isaiah 53:6, “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”Romans 3:19, “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”John 3:3, “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”Romans 3:10, “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.”Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” There is a Price For Our Sin―Burning in Hell Forever. Romans 6:23, “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”2nd Thessalonians 1:8, “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.”Revelation 20:15, "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”Revelation 21:8, “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” Jesus paid that price by dying on the cross and shedding His blood; Christ was buried and bodily rose again the third day! Romans 5:8, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”1st Timothy 1:15, “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”1st Peter 1:18-19, “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ...”1st Corinthians 15:1-4, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.” This is the Gospel. By faith in Jesus Christ ALONE we are immediately saved.Galatians 3:26, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”John 11:25, “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.”John 6:28-29, “Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”John 14:6, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”Mark 1:15, “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”Acts 26:18, “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”Romans 10:13, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”1st Corinthians 3:11, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”Galatians 3:26, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” Salvation is NOT found in a religion or good works, but in a Person... The LORD JESUS CHRIST! Simply BELIEVE the Gospel and You Are Saved!
I'm an Iranian and when Islam drove me away from itself, I began to study Zoroastrianism. Because it was my county's ancient religion before muslim arabs invaded Persia. By what I remember from my studies, I immediately found fault in those claims about Zaroaster. If I'm not wrong, Zoroastrianism believes Sushiyant will come in the end times, not Zoroaster as he was. No, Jesus is not copied from Zoroaster. Oh, and I also believe in Jesus now. I've read through so many things and yet I always feel different about Jesus. It's like I know he is the Way.
The earliest information about Zarathushtra comes from the Old Avestan layer of Avesta. It includes the Gathas, which are thought to be his own words. The Old Avestan language is closely related to Vedic Sanskrit, hence the early dating. Others date him to the age of the rise of the Persian rule, based on other criteria. In the Gathas, Zarathushtra refers to some scattered details about his life. Based on those few details, I think he comes off as a humble (even self-critical!) family man and a prophet rejected by men and struggling against the wicked, asking God to empower him to bring righteous order (Asha) to the world.
The timeline lies for Sanskrit, for ancient Persia, Zarathustra, ancient Babylon, ancient Greece, ancient Egypt, ancient India, ancient China, the fake biblical timeline of nearly 6,000 years - the fake timeline for Earth and for the stars ... If you want the true timeline, it's documented in hundreds of historic records and thousands of other sources.
These are the teachings of Zarathustra: Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds. now compare new religions and how they hate each other by excluding each other.
Excluding something does not equate hate. Philosophy must be debated and if found wanting must be cast out. I don't hate you by criticizing your philosophy unless you are really thin-skinned, insecure and hate truth. Jesus told his followers to love their enemies. Funny when catholics killed people, no one realised that they were not acting as Christians. Man twists everything but the central truth of what Jesus preached has continued to stand the test of time.
I thought that they had a "book" before the Bible, but when Alexander conquered Persia, he burnt down the palace, which contained these books, and from that point forward, only oral tradition remained, until the Shah, Khosrau Anushirawan (don't know if I wrote it correctly) came to power, bringing forth Iran's golden age, and finally ordering the preasts and other officials to recreate the "book" which was well in the early middle ages. (This was around Justinian's rule.)
So by your logic, Ahura Mazda and the messiah ideology (the basis of the whole religion) must have come from Christianity due to the Avesta being written after Christianity? So what was the religious ideology of Zoroastrianism thousands of years before Judaism and Christianity? Does not make sense to say it was all influenced by Christianity. I can understand that the Avestas would have been influenced by Christianity through tropes and what not but that doesn’t make sense of the fact that: 1) Cyrus of Persia proclaimed Yahweh as his god insinuating that Ahura Mazda is Yahweh in the Bible. 2) That three magi (most definately Zoroastrian priests) came from the East to meet Jesus. I feel there is so many holes in the assertions you make regarding controversial subjects such as this. I have found that sometimes the truth of the Bible is uncomfortable and can make us question Christian beliefs we grew up with.
The Bible and Christianity takes from many different religions , you say AMEN, that comes from Egypt” Amen Ra” , the cross comes from the ankh, the story of Jesus takes parts from many other spiritual characters, the Bible teaches great ideas but it was not written by the creator, the “god” in the Bible has an ego and ego is a trait of this earth. For example, “he” is a “jealous god”.
Jared Clark trust your intuition at the end of the day if you believe something is wrong , there’s likely a reason for that , you won’t go to “hell” or any of this shit for thinking with the big beautiful brain that was gifted to you . Peace to you
Their is no evidence of copying from either side. We know Zoroastrianism changed over time but because of lack of sources we don't know the original beliefs.
I don’t think either of them would’ve influenced the other. All of the priests of Zoroastrianism were killed by Alexander the Great so we really don’t know what they believed because of the slaughter. I also find it hard to believe that the Zoroastrian priests would copy directly from their rival at the time. As for your two points Ahura Mazda first appeared during the reign of Darius the Great in the Behistun inscription. There is no insinuation that God and Ahura Mazda are the same deity in the Bible. As the the 3 wise men they could’ve been Nabateans because of their connection to Herod and not Persian priests.
@@BAWSMANThe “amen” in Judaism and Christianity means “let it be so”, it is Hebrew and not in anyway invoking the deity “Amun Ra”. The Cross literally came from the death penalty of crucifixion, what even are you saying?
Its actually impossible to examine the first holy books that describes Ahura mazda and The original practices of Zoroastrianism because many of them were burned and destroyed during the Umayyad and further on sunni occupations of Persia. So who is really to say what the authentic beliefs of Zoroastrianism actually are
Actually it was Alexander of Macedon who slaughtered the entirety of the Zoroastrian clergy and with them the living words of the faith (until then the zoroastrian teachings were preserved orally). It's true that Islam also harmed Zoroastrianism but Shias were as worse as the Umayyads. The Safavids force converted the remaning Zoroastrians in Persia to Shia Islam and killed those who refused.
I think it should be noted that the literature of Old Persian language that other ancient sources refer to as providing detailed stories of Zoroastrian and it’s founder were completely destroyed by/during/the campaigns of Alexander III of Macedon, which in itself was a few hundred years before the birth of Jesus.
@@marchajj9941 Check your sources - the whole New Testament was written down by the end of the first century (this is official and not a mere claim by Christians). Hard to believe but according to textual criticism Jesus is actually one of the best documented people (if not the best) of the classical period (i.e. Greek and Roman history). By the way, if you doubt the writings about Jesus you cannot believe anything about e.g. Alexander the Great, the Greek philosophers or let alone Buddha (who obviously did not live in the Greco-Roman world)
Dee Bee what i meant in my comment is that the bible as a group of different texts was done in the council of nicene or was regrouped in a single book. I know that the gospels were written at least 15-30 years after the death of jesus.
You are right Zoroastrian was spread by a Cyrus and darius king in their empire but as Alexander took over he might have destroyed it but all books are changed by people it self like bible have several versions. Quran says all of these were God books people changed them with respect to their needs. And only one holy book is not change and its Quran thats why its same all over the world.
I have to agree honestly it is obviously apologetics yet he puts philosophy as if he is actually trying to figure out something rather not *cough* apologising *cough*
So it can't be true because it's a Christian channel or it can't be true because you don't like it? Of may be truth is not important to you but you still want to share your biased opinion. Not sure what you're getting at...
@@remainhumble6432 I'm sure he's talking about the content creator's pretense of nuance or objective breakdowns when its plainly apologetics disguised as something else.
@@PaintedHoundie Once again... Are we interested in truth or are we pretending people only say things because they are biased? And if there is no truth, why bother commenting? I, for one, am only interested in truth.
So, according to you, if anyone holds any philosophy, then they are just an apologist, whenever they present their case? Is this true for Stoics and every other philosophical worldview or just Christians? Also, can you provide a single example of an actual, particular claim in the video with which you disagree, so that we can debate the logic and/or evidence that is offered, or are you just content to wage ad hominem attacks?
I am a Zoroastrian and foremost, I believe that good men wanted to connect humanity not to divide. I don't know why we take such high stakes on these these matters as to dominate others. Second, Abrahamic religions did incorporate many of Zoroaster's concepts. His ideaology for his time was mind blowing and massively effected the old world. I love that Zoroaster foremost speaks of wisdome and Goodness above all.
Sad that the Islamic hordes invaded and forcefully converted their subjects. Wasn't a peaceful transition but by the sword. Shame that almost none are left
We may partially blame Salman the Persian; he conspired with Muhammad; first he translated Zoroastrian books to Arabic and created Islam and then taught Arabs how to effectively fight the Persians. Perhaps the biggest traitor of times
I've honestly never heard anyone try to draw a direct line from Jesus to Zoroaster, so it's no wonder that this was so clearly debunked. The reason being, Judaism itself was influenced by Zoroastrian concepts, specifically the duality of Light/Dark, Ahura Mazda/Ahriman (as well as Set of the Egyptians, and Yam of the Canaanites), and you start to see certain Hebrew sects in the last century BC starting to introduce "ha-satan" (then a common noun, not a proper name), meaning "the adversary." Among these sects were those who became the early Christians. Most of these other "debunked" claims are only debunked because they didn't originate with Zoroaster; they were themes borrowed from other cultures. Osiris dying and being reborn as "the Son" Horus (whose shadow was Set, from which we get the word "Satan") is something taken from Egyptian religion. Casting out demons and possession in general is widespread among Sumerian, Babylonian, Akkadian, Chaldean, Canaanite, and Egyptian religions, among others. Other entities born to virgins in earlier mythologies include Ra (born of Neith), Perseus, Romulus (his mother impregnated by Mars), and even Alexander the Great's mother claimed to have been impregnated by a god FIRST before she and her husband consummated their marriage (in order to declare Alexander to be of divine origin), and there is a similar story of Osiris sneaking in on a new bride before her husband got to her for similar reasons. The Alexander tale is especially telling - virgin birth elevates the status of the child and he/she (He, in all cases, really) can be stated to be of divine origin. The other traits in this video were all just traits of the Jesus story, added to the list just to be able to be crossed out. Kinda straw-man arguments really (as is this video as a whole), so kind of dishonest.
I believe he is referring to the popular internet Zeitgeist movie, which took the internet by storm years ago, which makes these claim. At least that is what I think he is trying to debunk, although I could be wrong.
Zoroaster/Zarathushtra is the truth, he brought mankind out of the darkness. It is a shame that the religion of Zoroaster has been suppressed and persecuted over the years. It is time for a revival of Zarathustrian teachings.
@Justin Haubrick Christ did this. If you read the nag hammadi scriptures you will find this. The Jesus that has been taught by this generation is a false christ. In the apocryphon of John, Christ makes reference to the book of zoraster to John, and tells him to look there for more information on the origin of creation.
For analysis on a subject it is best to find an unbiased source who can look at it from a purely academic level. Wish me luck finding such a source in this world , lol.
all prophets messages are one it's for worship one God. and all prophets are slaves of God. and don't worship anyone with God because the first sin its Associating anything with Allah (God) in worship .
@Markus Mauer The Bible didn't "borrow" anything from anyone, the Bible is the Word of God, the one who has created it all, including Satan who came up with Zoroaster, Islam, false Christianity, etc.
Please do more research on Zoroaster. It seems more likely that Zoroaster lived around the 1500s BC, rather than the 600s BC, although I think that we can consider Zoroaster as having lived in the 600s BC. If Zoroaster did live in the 600s BC, he would have been a contemporary of the prophet Daniel. Daniel only begins to write about angels when he is under the rule of the Persian Empire, and it is the same with eternal blessings and eternal condemnation, which only are written about in chapter 12, during the first year of Darius the Mede. I know that you can say that Zoroaster may have taken his ideas from Daniel, but Daniel wrote about these things after Zoroaster was dead, around 539 BC when Babylon fell. I understand, also, that Ezekiel wrote about angelic figures in Ezekiel 1, for example, but Ezekiel wrote that portion when Zoroaster had been teaching already, I believe. I understand that angels appear in the book of Judges as well, but when was the book written? I don't know when it was written, although I do believe by default that it was written around the time that the events of the book take place. You mat say that these concepts are not the same in Zoroastrianism and in pre-Christian Judaism, but the point is not whether or not they are the same, which one should not expect them to be, but whether or not they are unprecedented in the previous writings and whether they are similar enough to make it most reasonable that one author copied the other. There are apparently two works which were written by Zoroaster himself which we have access to, one of them being the Ghatas. If the Hebrew prophets copied ideas from Zoroaster, then their doctrines are man-made. This, of course, is why it is necessary that we defend the Old and New Testaments from claims that their authors took doctrines from other men outside of their religious fold. Please refute what I have said, because it truly does seem like certain Old Testament prophets copied from Zoroastrian teachings, and this is detrimental to the Word of God if it is true.
If you go to genesis chapter 19 verse 1 you can see that they talk about angels who went to sodom and prepare Lot to leave Sodom. Genesis was written by Moses 1445 bc. So I guess this is ebough to refute your argument
Also, people always say that Zoroastrianism influenced Judaism with ideas of resurrection and dualism of good and evil, but there are many problems with this line of thought. First of all, resurrection in Judaism most likely grows out of the idea that YHWH would not abandon the rightious to Sheol with the wicked and that justice would prevail. The Jewish manuscripts on resurrection predates the Zoroastrian texts. When it comes to dualism, the answer is that Judaism and Christianity are not dualistisk religions. Yes, Christianity do believe in the Devil who tempts people and try to make them fall, but the Devil is not some cosmic diety with powers that can match with YHWH's powers. The conflict is not with two equal dieties, but with one surpreme God of the universe and a tempter who tries to do evil by tempting people, unlike in the Zoroastrian religion where one god is almost the equal to the other.
Angra mainyu is clearly inferior to Ahura Mazda since he is bound to lose the battle. Second, a lot of the zoroastrian texts were destroyed by alexander and the muslims, hence the actual oldest zoroastrian texts are not found, what is clear is that 1: zoroastrianism predates Judaism and was practiced before the old testament was written 2: the devil is another form of the lesser god, they are not supposed to be the same, and remember that early Hebrew religion was polytheistic. 3: what you say about the resurrection is speculation 4: zoroastrianism was a huge religion and the whole region was under the control of persians who were zoroastrians, add to that the freeing of jews from slavery in babylon, so Judaism was bound to be heavily influenced by zoroastrianism, in the sense that the deity and traditions stay, but a lot of philosophies will be incorporated.
Mithraism influenced Judaism. not Zoroastrianism. Persian Mithraists were basically the social engineers of the time. dont forget that Cyrus the great saved the jews in babylon and relocated them in Jerusalem.
I'm very glad you uploaded this. I'm atheist but I always like hearing the counter arguments from Christians / believers before I go out and spit arguments that I heard from skeptics / atheist. Now I know better than to use this argument...
I hope one day the truth hits you you're in a search for it may I ask specific reasons that keeps you from accepting the story of Christ and the truth of the bible?
@@tyriqcollier5509 I can answer. Because it contradicts itself constantly. The history doesn’t add up. And the whole premise of faith is false because you can only hope for something ultimately without any solid proof. It’s another form of delusion actually because your whole reality is colored based off your belief/faith (when it might not be true). It’s pure delusion and that’s why I don’t believe or can accept it all.
The virgin birth of Jesus Christ was already prophesied in Genesis long before Zoroastrianism Genesis 3:15 “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed *and her seed;* it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” KJV Women do not have seed, this only points to a miraculous virgin birth
@@Kevin-nr9hp Can you please write your argument down as a syllogism? Something like this: - *Premise 1:* the virgin birth was prophesied in Genesis. - *Premise 2:* women do not have seed. - *Conclusion:* therefore, Jesus was miraculously born of a virgin.
My friend don’t ever let anybody tell you that what you’re doing has no value because I can assure you the world needs these kind of simple it right to the point explanation and comparisons. Wonderful job keep up the good work. See you in heaven
As well, Jesus is referenced in contemporary Roman & Jewish secular sources. Perhaps I missed it but I am not aware of Zoroaster being referenced in contemporary ancient Egyptian writings.
Because Alexander the Great destroyed much of Zoroastrianism scriptures. Historically wise, Zoroastrianism came before Christianity or the Abrahamic religions that’s for sure.
Well it definitely did influence the bible, all this video says is that zarathustra isn't jesus which noone thought, it's thought that jesus was inspired by Dionysus and Gilgamesh/Hammurabi stories.
Nope. The video clearly says that research shows there's no manuscripts predating Biblical manuscripts. Also, the Majis worshipped Jesus. They were Zoroastrian priests probably of the highest order. I think the devil tried to lead you guys astray but Jesus is the way. Repent and Believe in Jesus!
Most of the Bible was written one hundred years after Jesus with very little written white Jesus was alive. So much of the Bible is oral tradition also. True theologians say Zoroaster lived at least a millennia before Jesus.
*literally Also, don't use "literally" when there isn't a common figurative counterpart, ie., "she literally died" should mean she, in actual fact died...but what is "I figuratively found this a few days ago?" Does someone use "a few days ago" in a non-literal fashion?
Levi Paladin are you seriously correcting my grammar when it has nothing to do with anything? This isn't Instagram, also literary was an autocorrect error.
I'm a Hindu so I'd like to think I have a fairly unbiased opinion on this 1.The Avesta was by tradition composed at minimum 1000 B.C 2.We know this because it's written in Avestan which died out at minimum 1000 BC 3.The "compositions" were copies of older manuscripts composed at minimum 600 BC but were probably older versions of manuscripts which were even older versions of oral traditions 4.We know Avestan died out about then due to the fact that we have other manuscripts at about this time showing Avestan was dispersing 5.As well we can affirm this as Avestan was a descendant or cousin of Sanskrit and uses a unrecognisable older versian of what was ancient Persian (Now also unrecognisable) for it to be made in the time of 600 as this idiot claims 6.As well I can attest to the fact that Avestan isn't to far from ancient Sanskrit(2000 B.C.E.) as I recognise syllables from vedic sanskrit. It is likely that Zoroastrianism influenced Greek mythology which influenced Christianity as we know today as well there are Apocrypha (non biblical books) that state Jesus studied in (among other places) Persia this may have been related to the fact that three Magi (Greek word for Zoroastrian priests) visited him at his birth according to the gospel of Matthew this may have influenced Jesus's teachings. As well Judaism has been influenced by Zoroastrian as one of the messiahs Cyrus the great a Zoroastrian who freed the Jews from slavery in Babylon and thus later in the book of Isiah we get the first mention of only one God and the devil.
The Avesta was written by the Sassanids during the 4th century CE, i say this because the Avestan language didn't have a written form until they made it. Which means that by then, the entire old and new testaments we're both already written. It's stupid to think that the Israelites adopted monotheism from the Zoroastrians, when the Israelites' religion was monotheistic centuries before Zoroastrianism even existed. The only reason it was written in Avestan is so that it would seem a lot older than it actually is. And Zoroaster is, according to tradition, thought to have lived during the 6th century B.C. which then begs the question, how would he have written the Avesta when the Avestan language didn't even have a written form yet. Zoroaster is thought by most modern historians to have changed the Persian national religion from a polytheistic one to a monotheistic one. And because of the many similarities between Judaism and Zoroastrianism, it is safe to conclude Zoroaster just took the monotheistic structure of Judaism and appropriated it to fit the Persian peoples.
Great playlist I’m just now discovering! Thank you for all the time and effort you put into your channel IP. You helped me find my faith again after I was an atheist for two years. You’re definitely one of my favorite Christian channels and when I can I plan to become a donator to your patron.
He was a good prophet of Christianity yes, but he wasn't an incarnation of Christ. Christianity goes back to ancient Persia. Their sun-god Mithra was a figure of the Truth, of Covenant and a Savior. I think He was a manifestation of Christ even older than the one that appeared to Moses. So ancient Persians didn't know it but they were really also Christians. They even believed in a kind of Trinity with Ahuramazda as the creator, Mithra and Anahita (a life-giving force), usually invoking the three of them in the same prayers.
Sure but there's no teachings or understanding of Jesus from the Zoroaster religion. If Zoroaster is Jesus, then it was later writings. You should return to the original. It seems Jesus is very important to Zoroastrianism. You should probably read the Bible, study it, believe and obey what it says then. What are you waiting for? Life is short. Repent and believe. You're loved!
@JP JP no that was wrong. This looks to be another case of skeptics citing a pre-Christian religion, assuming that the post-Christian form of the religion (which we know about) has remained faithful to the pre-Christian form of the religion (which we know nothing about) and speculating that the similarities between the religion and Christianity are due to Christianity borrowing from the religion in question. It’s a philosophical argument without solid evidence to back it up. Have we any good reason not to suppose that it was Zoroastrianism which borrowed from Christianity and not vice versa? We know that Zoroastrianism borrowed freely from the polytheistic faiths of the region in which it became popular. Mithra, for example, was a Persian god who found a prominent role in Zoroastrianism. Mithra’s Hindu counterpart is the god Mitra.
Thé Avesta was constituted on the remains of the gāthās, Alexander destroyed Persepolis and many cultural centres. Zoroastrism evolved from 1700 BC to the Muslim conquest around 700 in many different groups, during that long period zoroastrism had diversified in different trends with different cosmologies. One thing that would explain all these borrowings referring clearly to Jesus could be explained by the obligation Muslim rulers imposed to population : to be accepted as a dhimmi as were Jews and Christians living in Persia, they had to meet these 3 conditions : 1- worship a unique God-2- have a written book 3- have a Prophet. If these 3 conditions were not met , they were forced convert to Islam. A Part of Zoroastrians had indeed to escaped in India. It is possible that the biography of Zoroaster was changed at that moment , and partially borrowed to Jesus in order to be recognized as dhimmi by muslims. Anyway it is well known that Zoroastrism had largely influence levant during the Achemenide empire ( book of Ezra)
Judge by the fruits produced. I find many acceptable tenets and practices in Zoroastrianism which do not offend and appear to support the working of the Holy Spirit in this world.
@@Rotisiv The sad part is , you are in a cult and don't know and you think someone that did not exist, died for you to do what ever you want. So, now others all pay your consequences.
Not really. Its a deception. They never told anyone they are on your side. They scam you with language. Government is there for compliance on your slavery. You just accept it and say, its not so. You gotta understand, the Crown virus "belongs" to the Crown. Government is only there to gain your Compliance on religion and corporate slavery. Government is a Corporation that gets all their Authority from you and your religious beliefs, in things that do not exist. Religion is a curse to humanity. That is the ultimate truth
Hey I'm a Christian but I have an odd question. How did God separate light from dark on the first day if sun and stars were created on 4th day. I'm not trying to use this as an argument I'm just looking for a reasonable answer.
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Ok but when they're making stories they won't copy the exact thing from previous writers it is called inspiration. There is no doubt that the Abrahamic notable characters were all based on previous legends of middle east.
Wrong. It wasn't written down until 4th Century AD. Oral tradition might have been earlier than this, but that is a very weak evidence. On top of that the oldest manuscripts of Avesta is only from the 13th Century, while we have the almost complete manuscript of John's Gospel Papyrus 66 from the 2nd Century.
I am an Iranian who have done many studies regarding this. Here are my findings: 1. Zoroastrianism is the first Monodist religion in the world. 2. Magis mentioned in Bible are indeed Zoroastrian priests coming to see Jesus, the son of God. (Magi = Zoroastrian priests) 3. Zoroastrians believe in Soshyants who will save the world. Jesus is believed to be the Soshyant who is born from the a virgin mother and this was foretold before Jesus's birth which is the reason why Magis went to see Jesus in the first place. 4. Zoroastrianism follows mostly the same principles as Jesus. (I mean the teachings of how to behave and how to love which makes you have a more concrete proof that Jesus was actually God) I am now a Christian (Exmuslim). The reason why I am a Christian, is because Jesus's love and how he gives me peace and protects me. However, I don't believe any Zoroastrian should be counted as a "Pagan" person which I see in many channels. I believe they believe in the same God as Christians.
read the old testament and then compare it to the new testament. you will see how Judaism goes from Polytheism to monasticism. Even their belief about after life suddenly changes.
Just tell me why you think so many people layed down their lives as martyrs in the centuries following Christ or do you think it didn't happen and I don't mean fought for their lives I mean literally wanted to die to prove their faith tell me that and we can go from there
I am having some doubts over the reliability of the Jewish texts since during Persian captivity many claim that it was because of this that prophecies emerged about the messiah, resurrection, etc. What are your thoughts on that?
Well as many people has stated, within the scriptures made by Isaiah and David, when the Persians came, you see how the prophecies turn to the coming of the messiah and the resurrection much more directly, similar to the prophecies made in Zoroastrianism. I see how the evidence is late but within the time period during and after the Persians came, you see elements of Zoroastrianism present. It just seems that, that is the most common argument. Thanks for your response by the way.
It is a common argument, but it is built on sand. Those same Jewish works express committing to their own scriptures and covenant and speak strongly against syncretism. It doesn't add up.
It wasn't the Persian captivity, but the Babylonian captivity! The Persian King liberated the Israelites from the Babylonian captivity and relocated them in their land and ordered the rebuilt of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. The Israelites called the Persian Emperor King of Kings!!! This is the link between Israel and Persia. And with Zoroastrians.
@@InspiringPhilosophy but we are seeing some sort of textual evolution,Satan is never mentioned in the old testament,only in the book of job which was composed after the Persian conquest of Babylon,then we have the two spirits theology,book of Enoch etc which were borrowed from zoroastrianism which later developed into Christianity.The idea of heaven and hell is clearly zoroastrian
It was bastardized by other religions. Zarathustra was about good and evil and counting on the good will of Humans to make this planet a better place. It wasn't about any race or power .
Sure ..but i appreciate your arguments and your channel ,although i disagree,based on evidence. One initial source of evidence and argument (which i know you have addressed ,at lest in part) is the book "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors; Or, Christianity Before Christ, Containing New, Startling, and Extraordinary Revelations in Religious History, which Disclose the Oriental Origin of All the Doctrines, Principles, Precepts, and Miracles of the Christian New Testament, and Furnishing a Key for Unlocking Many of Its Sacred Mysteries, Besides Comprising the History of 16 Heathen Crucified Gods"- mouthful,i know ,lol A great summery along with criticism can be found on Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World's_Sixteen_Crucified_Saviors While its dated and incomplete, i appreciate some of its points- as i do the Bible.
exactly,without Zoroastrianism and its legacy as the faith of the worlds first multi ethnic and trans continental super power (Persia) ,there'd probably be no Judaism or Christianity and Islamic derivatives as we know and understand them to day
The book has no evidence to support it. There were no sixteen crucified saviors and I've been going through these: th-cam.com/video/5FR08QtvapM/w-d-xo.html
Hello. There is a problem with the terms used. The Avesta is the foundation of Mazdeism and the first written traces are Persian and date from 3000 BC. Mazdeism is a complex polytheism which will be the basis of several religions. Zarathustra (1700 B.C.) is a reformer who extracted from the Avesta, the text of the Gathas. Zoroastrianism was the religion of the Persians from 1000 BC to 652 AD. Evidence of the dates is reflected in the production of coins architectural production of that time, as well as various books. It was Alexander the Great who, by burning down the library of Persepolis, almost destroyed the books from before the Avesta. For the Avesta written on parchment, the oldest version dates back to around 650, at the time of the Muslim invasion, this document left with the last Zoroastrians in India. The older versions are engraved in cuneiform characters and date from around 2000 BC, they were discovered in the mid-nineteenth century. Plato, Herodotus, Pythagoras etc... Refers to Zarathustra and quotes him. Now that the Hebrew, Christian and Muslim religions have been inspired, there is no doubt, but it doesn't really matter. The truth is not the text, but its content. These texts are thought-provoking and are eternal because they allow us to reflect on our condition as human beings. Did Jesus ask that pastors be appointed, that temples be erected? No, he went away saying that he loved you all.
It was not the religion of the Persians, it was the religion of the most Iranic peoples. The Persian heartland is located in southwestern Iran, in modern-day Fars. Zarathustra was probably from northeastern Iran, Turkmenistan or Afghanistan.
because of a zoroastrian prophecy, there were three zoroastrian priests that braught gifts to jesus, predicting the king of the jews . they were called "magican" which is a roman term for zoroastrian priests.
So in other words... it’s not that Christianity ripped off Zoroastrianism... it’s that Zoroastrianism ripped off Christianity and then Christianity was falsely accused of doing to Zoroastrianism what Zoroastrianism had ACTUALLY done to Christianity. The accusation of Christianity plagiarizing Zoroastrianism is theological projection and nothing more.
@@indianboy59You should look up info on the Angel of the Lord in the old testament. The trinity was always there. Later forms of Judaism removed it, not Christians adding it.
Could you do another video on whether or not Judaism was influenced by Zoroastrianism? Non-Christians have this idea that the notion of Messiah did not come about in the faith until during/after the exile.
Spencer Gage You wanna know about this, I can tell you all about this. All abrahamic religionsvas well as Buddha and conficuse based their ideas on Zoroaster
"The Church today stands on one statement 1st Corinth 15:1-4. Reads this is "the gospel" that we preach, which you receive; which you stand on (foundation), which you are saved. That Christ died for our sins, & was buried according to the O.T. scripture. & on the 3rd day rose from the dead, according to the O.T. scripture. Our salvation is the finished works of the Cross of Jesus. It is finished he cried & gave up the ghost. Preaching of the CROSS, foolishness to them that perish, but to us that are SAVED, the Power of God.
Although I've had personal experience with Jesus himself and he has saved me from certain death I have to disagree with you on Zoroastrian religion because Jews, Christians and Muslims have taken so much from that religion. In fact I believe Zoroaster had said at one point that a savior will come from a Holly mother who has never known a man prior to his birth
Me You The story of the Saoshyant's (savior’s) conception (being born of a virgin) and early life are described in Denkard, written 10th century AC. Way after Jesus.
@@InspiringPhilosophy Zoroastrianism is not a monotheistic religion, but a dualistic belief in two eternal, all-powerful gods, Ahura Mazda- (good god) and Angra Mainju- (evil god). Everything else in your video is cool.
this whole premise of 'did X copy from Y?' is so wrong. Cultures interact and influence each other. No one "copied" anyone; it's more about branches stemming from the same trunk... And that trunk is ultimately the IE religion, as far as we can tell nowadays.
Its not so much that Jesus is based on Zoroaster as it is that Zoroaster was a prophet sent before Jesus, There has been prophets sent throughout time, Zoroaster predicted another prophet of a virgin birth, Jesus stated there were prophets before, and also said he would have a helper after him(Jesus). Some think that was Muhammad, some don't But Both Jesus and Zoroaster in my opinion had similar messages and as i said both validate each other
You need to translate this to Persian very urgently. Many Iranians are turning away from Islam and they are choosing Zoroastrianism instead of Christianity. May God enlighten them to reunite in his church. Amen.
Zoroaster predates Jesus. That doesn’t mean what we call the Christian Faith didn’t exist before hand. Nor does it mean The Hebrew people and descendants of Noah and Abraham didn’t tell the stories and miracles of their God and live a life of faith to God.
Contrary to popular belief, Zoroastrianism is not the first monotheistic religion, not even by a long shot. The Avesta (Zoroastrian equivalent to the Bible) was written by the Sassanids during the 4th century CE, i say this because the Avestan language didn't even have a written form until they (the Sassanids) made it. By the way, Avestan (an ancient Persian language) went extinct in the 10th century BC, and Zoroaster is thought to have lived during the 6th century BC. So tell me how on earth would Zoroaster have been able to write a book in an already extinct language that didn't even have a written form? And let's say that the Avesta was written by Zoroaster in the 6th century BC, by then, 90% of the Old Testament has already been written and put to use. Even if Zoroaster somehow had managed to write the Avesta, he still only managed to write it 800 years after the Old testament was already written. It's stupid to think that the Israelites adopted monotheism from the Zoroastrians, when the Israelites' religion was monotheistic centuries before Zoroastrianism even existed. The only reason the Avesta was written in Avestan is so that it would seem a lot older than it actually is. Zoroaster is thought by most modern historians to have changed the Persian national religion from a polytheistic one to a monotheistic one. And because of the many similarities between Judaism and Zoroastrianism, it is safe to conclude Zoroaster just took the monotheistic structure of Judaism and appropriated it to fit the Persian peoples.
I honestly think that God outsmarted those who would declare Jesus as a myth created by other myths through one act: prophecies created by transcripts dated around 1000 B.C.
Jesus wins, c'mon now, this is not some game,all faiths have there arguments that can be done away with, this here is somewhat of a religious bashing,you can bash any faith but it shouldn't be about who's wrong or who's right,we are here to love each other and learn
Before Islam, the name of Afghanistan was Ariana, which is mentioned in Avesta Ariana Zarathustra was born in Balkh 600 years before Christianity And Zoroastrian tomb is in Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan Iran is the old name of Afghanistan In 1935 Reza Shah quoted Shahnameh as the Iranian name on the Persian land. Ferdowsi in the Shahnameh of the East🇦🇫 has mentioned Iran
Once again this kind of Afghan anachronistic revisionism. Iran was the endonym of Iran since Antiquity. It was how this land was called by its own inhabitants since then, since the Avesta and especially Sassanian Empire. Persia is an exonym, which refers to the southwestern Iranian region of Fârs/Pârs from which great Persian dynasties such as Achaemenid and Sassanian were hailing and this is how Greeks used to call Iran, which has popularized around the world since then. Iranians weren’t calling their own country "Persia" if anything. Nothing to do with Reza Shah of whatsoever. You’re just clueless and or doing it on purpose therefore you only chose what would suit your revisionist agenda when you don’t know historical facts
A completely flawed presentation - for 2 main reasons; 1. The presenter provides a list of claims supposedly made about Zoroaster. But who is making these claims? Are they widely held beliefs or just throw away comments made by individuals 2. The presenter seems to confuse "based on" with exactly the same as.
The myth is that the coming savior or saoshyant would be born of a virgin. This comes from the denkard book 7 chapter 10, written 10th century AD, way after Jesus.
silent hawk you’re right that the halo of light around the head was a Roman cultural thing, it wasn’t biblical or anything it was done is paintings only. But Mithras wasn’t born of a virgin. The only thing we know about his beginnings in the Roman Empire is that he was depicted as being born from a rock already older. It’s a bit of a stretch to claim he was born of a virgin. These beliefs of Mithras that come from the Roman Empire are dated to after the events of Jesus anyway.
Odin Lightning Emperor well I have some questions about that too but my question was why do you think Jesus is the incarnation of Zarathustra and where do you get that idea from?
The oldest Zoroastrian texts are over 4,000 years old. The oldest biblical text(silver scrolls) are only 2,700 years old. The new testament is even younger than that. It's a silly comparison.
At one time or another, I've read about all these strange claims, but I've read so much, I forget all I know! I really appreciate your tireless efforts to challenge people to consider the shallowness of these claims, but perhaps relying on memes is easier than studying. I think the earliest paper I read was titled, "The Mithra Myth", and now I find that particular article nowhere on the web. You're a quick reminder of so much we need to be aware of. GBY, and your efforts, and long may they all live!
Betsy Ross myth is you and your jesus which has lived no where except in book of prisoned homsexual kng bible which changed zorostrian names to jew and christian name with order of GREEC empire...give us one only one evidnce any person as jesus ever lived in human history
im going to do my first ug degree (ba in philosophy), and i want to be an apologist, but i donno much about it nd im not clear what degree should i take after ug ma in religion? ma in div/th.? philosophy of religion? is it normal to not know what to do at this point??
Perhaps add a physical science too. Like physics or biology. Electricity/energy. Not to waver but, to stay grounded. Languages are a good study. The word religion comes from the Latin Religare, to Tie, to bind or to thwart from forward progress. Also seen is Ligare, or litigator.
It all rather misses the point, God is in your heart, not in scriptures or tradition. God is here now and needs no interpretation. Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds. That is all ye need to know.
I'm a Zoroastrian from Iran, and never heard of, or learned those stories you mentioned in your video. never heard of them, they are all lies you mentioned here. All imaginary stories we learned, were about other prophets. Also, Avesta doesn't contain anything about those imaginary things you mentioned, we heard all of that only about Jesus.
Religion: Mazdasna. Prophet: Zarathustra. God: Ahuramazda. Place of formation: Iran. Area spread: from northern India to the center of the Roman Empire. Book: Avesta.
Earliest mentions of Zoroaster go back to the 5th century, Plato wrote about Zoroaster and as someone said here, the bible mentions the Magi. So your whole premise falls apart
the bible itself says μάγοι, magoi were brought jesus gifts sometime after his birth. The term refers to the Persian priestly caste of Zoroastrianism, therefor zarathustra & zoroastrian magi preceded Jesus
@@pleaseenteraname1103 I don’t actually believe this anymore as it seems the essenes preceded zoroastrianism and Jesus was an Essene. Zoroastrianism is essentially a sect of the ancient essene faith of esau and ahbraham, also known as the melchizedek, king of righteousness. The essenes were hunted down and killed or converted to Christianity after Jesus Christ fulfilled the prophecy of the coming Melchizedek scroll 11Q13 leaving only their relics such as the dead sea scrolls behind in Qumran.
No one copied from no one. Why is it so hard for you people to believe that the same God contacted Zoroaster, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed Peace Be Upon Them, and they taught the same message?
I put all my faith and hope in Jesus as my rock and joy so it best be authentic! Besides we have the holy spirit and walking in power identity and gifts! The other religion doesn't. So Jesus proves he is alive!
There were 134000 prophets and messengers sent by God to every nation for the particular time period. Some were blessed by holy scriptures such as Buddha, Krishna, Zarathustra, Jesus, Moses, Muhammad. God is Just and One. There are similarities since they are all from one God.
Most critics forget the fact that JESUS WAS PROPHESIED ABOUT MORE THAN 1000 years before He actually came!!!! Every detail about His birth, life and ressurection adequately specified by prophets that lived before Him. Even in the Garden of Eden, God promised the serpent that there would be a confrontation between him and "the seed of the woman".
What ever Greeks and Romans had , was copied from the land of Aryans . Avesta has been around for at least 6000 years and it belongs to Iranians . Iran and Avesta belong only to Aryana and Iranians .
That is not true, Avesta has been around for about 1000 years BCE. But most likely 800-900 BCE. Source: Kellens, Jean (1987), "Characters of Ancient Mazdaism", History and Anthropology, vol. 3, Great Britain: Harwood Academic Publishers, pp. 239-262.
@@humanbeing2722 well, you're just plain wrong. The name Iran (which has always been the name of the country, not persia) means the land of aryans in persian, which is taken from Airyanem Vaejah of avestan language, Persian kings have repeatedly referred to themselves as Aryans as an ethnic term, so yeah... you're just wrong.
Arya, hence Aryan... is Tibet. Get it right. And no, Arya weren't Nazis. They were obscure enough that Hitler used their symbols and further confused the bush league theologians on youtube. READ A BOOK, ferchrissakes. It would be also part of Afghanistan (oh, yeah, where they blew up that 3000 year old Buddha carved into a mountain ? ) Keep your nationalist crap out. Maybe Shah Pahlavi shouldn't have been a coke-snorting whore monger who let his sons act like scumbags ? Enjoy your Ayatollahs, and remember: you guy fell for greed and gluttony. Congrats.
Stories and archetypes are used and reused over time. It's not unexpected in the oral and written histories. Not really sure why the two need to be pitted against each other like this. Quite frankly, as we know, Zardusht predates Judaism and Yeshua by a very long time. Zardusht was the first messianic messenger, the first prophet essentially, of a monotheistic god in human history.
Oddly, there have been a number of docs on PBS about this. It appears, according to the pottery and so on found by archeologist digging there and there, that religions or religious beliefs have evolved over time. Egypt is almost a pro-type, from what I gather. I didn't know that such findings were so well-developed. Many religions, apparently, revolved around agriculture, or fertility of the land. Or even storm deities, Zeus and his fabled bolts of lighting. Lightening often results in fire. I have heard that Fire (the chemical combustion of an organic substrate, say), writ large, is often part of Zoroaster ceremonies, that can also be said of modern day ceremonies, religious or not. Things that will make you go, 'hmm?'
The Magi of the Bible were Zoroastrian priests the names of three Magi-Bithisarea, Melichior, and Gathaspa and they were lead to Jesus by the unusual star that they studied and the knowledge of the coming king of kings. There is no Jesus vs Zoroaster because one preceded the other as God intended. Our ancestors are from the house of Merinita.
There is some legend that Zarathustra wanted his teachings improved by wise people who would follow him down through the centuries; he appears to have denied infallibility. Voltaire considered his teachings superior to the dogma of the Abrahamic religions.
I live in Southern California im Jewish (paternally) raised in the culture though etc-. and was lucky to meet a couple of Parsi people in my life to understand the grandfather religion of monothiesm Zoroastrianism overall is a very lovely religion.. very kind people with good morals and kindness..
When you break free of your programming, indoctrination and mind control, you'll begin to see the true timeline, then you might begin to understand the similarities between Jesus, Zoroaster, Buddha, Issa, etc.
@@wraves693 My comment is about the timeline lies in this video - zero evidence in this video corroborates the lies - from lunatics - but which almost everyone clings to - totally oblivious to the intentional deception.
@Sam Parsa No, just that people don't want to follow Christianity properly but call themselves Christians, which leads to a bad example of hate and evil. I'm sorry you've been led to believe that! no, i am genuinely mad at some of those people for making it seem so. Oh, and Islam is a tricky one. Most Muslims actually like their religion and are peaceful, it'sjust we hardly ever hear about them because all the news is about the radical terrorists who are actually also being bad examples. Both Christianity and Islam have restrictions on war and oppression, but basically all the rules have been broken many times and Islam's are a lot less strict anyhow. Technically a Muslim cannot go shoot up a plane without an actually good reason, for the Koran actually says that "People of the Book, be they Christian, Jew, Muslim, or Sabian, have nothing to fear, for they..." i don't remember. Something about not causing harm to Islam or anything. But yeah. Rub your eyes and get glasses
@Sam Parsa wait you compred us to Muslims Ok I always say judge a religion by it's central figure and writing And I don't know about you but Jesus and muhamed are polar opposite I can't find a more polar opposite I mean no where did Jesus command me to kill rape or steal if I do that he would actually condem me Unlike Allah so How are they similar ?
I'm not a mythicist but I did watch the zeitgeist film and fact check it because I thought there was no way Horus and Zoroaster were so paralleled. I did find that a lot of what the movie had to offer on Christianity and astrology checks out, but as for their being exact replicas of the savior motiff, there are no primary sources we have to make these conclusions. I think Osiris and Mithras are much more compelling than Horus and Zoroaster and I'm certain these claims developed from later cults/hoaxes
@@DharmasGhost that's not how conspiracies work mate, there's always a few nuggets of truth that they build the narrative on. Flat earthers have pretty good reasons not to trust the government, therefore the earth is flat lol
Wrong! Original Christ (not distorted by the Jews) confessed Zoroastrianism and preached about the Father Ahura Mazda. Study the spiritual science of "Christ-Zoroastrism"!
Bruh Zoroastrians are mentioned in the Bible , the Isaiah prophecies , the wise men attending the virgin birth ! God loves them for the fact they worshiped one God first
“Ahura (Mazda)” is one in the same with “YHWH”….
Zoroaster was just an ancient prophet of God. People don’t understand that things are just translated in different ways?
Yeshua hamaschiach! Yeshua saoshyant!
@@TheArmchairPriest Ahura Mazda just means wise Lord and our God is the All-Wise so yeah.
No idea how your coming to that conclusion dude. The wise men were men trusting in the coming messiah for salvation. Faith ALONE saves. Works plus faith makes Fath void (first 8 chapters of Romans and the entire gospel of john specifically. But it is referenced in every other book of the new testament and many of the old)
You can worship God all you want and praise the living single God of Isreal all to your hearts desire, and go straight to hell if you still think you can be your own lawyer and justify yourself before him. You better take Jesus as your lawyer and shut up! Let the begotten Son of God get you off the hook for your sins!
It is very simple to be saved and takes only a minute to explain. Please let me show you how to get to Heaven from the Bible, God's Word...
Man is a Sinner in the Eyes of a Holy God.
Isaiah 53:6, “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”Romans 3:19, “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”John 3:3, “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”Romans 3:10, “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.”Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.”
There is a Price For Our Sin―Burning in Hell Forever.
Romans 6:23, “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”2nd Thessalonians 1:8, “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.”Revelation 20:15, "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”Revelation 21:8, “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Jesus paid that price by dying on the cross and shedding His blood; Christ was buried and bodily rose again the third day!
Romans 5:8, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”1st Timothy 1:15, “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”1st Peter 1:18-19, “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ...”1st Corinthians 15:1-4, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.” This is the Gospel.
By faith in Jesus Christ ALONE we are immediately saved.Galatians 3:26, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”John 11:25, “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.”John 6:28-29, “Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”John 14:6, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”Mark 1:15, “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”Acts 26:18, “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”Romans 10:13, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”1st Corinthians 3:11, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”Galatians 3:26, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
Salvation is NOT found in a religion or good works, but in a Person... The LORD JESUS CHRIST!
Simply BELIEVE the Gospel and You Are Saved!
@@TheArmchairPriest he's not a prophet of God if he can't even get salvation right!
It is very simple to be saved and takes only a minute to explain. Please let me show you how to get to Heaven from the Bible, God's Word...
Man is a Sinner in the Eyes of a Holy God.
Isaiah 53:6, “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”Romans 3:19, “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.”John 3:3, “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”Romans 3:10, “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.”Romans 3:23, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.”
There is a Price For Our Sin―Burning in Hell Forever.
Romans 6:23, “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.”2nd Thessalonians 1:8, “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.”Revelation 20:15, "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”Revelation 21:8, “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Jesus paid that price by dying on the cross and shedding His blood; Christ was buried and bodily rose again the third day!
Romans 5:8, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”John 3:16, “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”1st Timothy 1:15, “This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”1st Peter 1:18-19, “Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ...”1st Corinthians 15:1-4, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.” This is the Gospel.
By faith in Jesus Christ ALONE we are immediately saved.Galatians 3:26, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”John 11:25, “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.”John 6:28-29, “Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”Ephesians 2:8-9, “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”John 14:6, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”John 6:40, “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”Mark 1:15, “And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”Acts 26:18, “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”Romans 10:13, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”1st Corinthians 3:11, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”Galatians 3:26, “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
Salvation is NOT found in a religion or good works, but in a Person... The LORD JESUS CHRIST!
Simply BELIEVE the Gospel and You Are Saved!
I'm an Iranian and when Islam drove me away from itself, I began to study Zoroastrianism. Because it was my county's ancient religion before muslim arabs invaded Persia.
By what I remember from my studies, I immediately found fault in those claims about Zaroaster. If I'm not wrong, Zoroastrianism believes Sushiyant will come in the end times, not Zoroaster as he was.
No, Jesus is not copied from Zoroaster.
Oh, and I also believe in Jesus now.
I've read through so many things and yet I always feel different about Jesus.
It's like I know he is the Way.
Amen brother, Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life ✝️☦️
@@JLxavyo Amen
@@Shayan.juniorThe story of Sushiyant is equivalent to the second coming.
@@user98344 yes
@@Shayan.junior In my opinion, you have come out of a hole and fallen into a well! Good luck!
The earliest information about Zarathushtra comes from the Old Avestan layer of Avesta. It includes the Gathas, which are thought to be his own words. The Old Avestan language is closely related to Vedic Sanskrit, hence the early dating. Others date him to the age of the rise of the Persian rule, based on other criteria.
In the Gathas, Zarathushtra refers to some scattered details about his life. Based on those few details, I think he comes off as a humble (even self-critical!) family man and a prophet rejected by men and struggling against the wicked, asking God to empower him to bring righteous order (Asha) to the world.
Since 500 million people speak and understand the spoken Sanskrit, the false timeline claims are exposed.
@@WhirledPublishingwhat deception?
The timeline lies for Sanskrit, for ancient Persia, Zarathustra, ancient Babylon, ancient Greece, ancient Egypt, ancient India, ancient China, the fake biblical timeline of nearly 6,000 years - the fake timeline for Earth and for the stars ... If you want the true timeline, it's documented in hundreds of historic records and thousands of other sources.
One of the greatest prophets of all time!!!!
@@agostocobain2729 Vedic texts are c1500 ... They're not thousands of years old.
“In the beginning was the word”
a sound or vibration
everything is always in motion
"in the beginning there was silence"
@@kharkanas6779 lol
Yeah, but after that…
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
These are the teachings of Zarathustra: Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds. now compare new religions and how they hate each other by excluding each other.
Exactly brother.
Love one another goes beyond being good. How is love inconclusive?
Excluding something does not equate hate. Philosophy must be debated and if found wanting must be cast out. I don't hate you by criticizing your philosophy unless you are really thin-skinned, insecure and hate truth. Jesus told his followers to love their enemies. Funny when catholics killed people, no one realised that they were not acting as Christians. Man twists everything but the central truth of what Jesus preached has continued to stand the test of time.
Your the only one who got it right! LoL
@V H OH PLEEEEEZE , JESUS NEVER EXISTED HISTORICALLY IN ANY BOOK FROM THAT TIME PERIOD.
I thought that they had a "book" before the Bible, but when Alexander conquered Persia, he burnt down the palace, which contained these books, and from that point forward, only oral tradition remained, until the Shah, Khosrau Anushirawan (don't know if I wrote it correctly) came to power, bringing forth Iran's golden age, and finally ordering the preasts and other officials to recreate the "book" which was well in the early middle ages. (This was around Justinian's rule.)
I got that info too from Extra History TH-cam videos about Khosrau.
I heard about that too ,but that Legend probably was made up after the 4th Century CE.
More than 1 Holy book is all you need to know if a god existed for all there would be only one religion and holy book.
@@HardKore5250 That's like saying if heliocentrism was true there wouldn't be more than one theory of how the cosmos is oriented, just plain silly.
This is an another anti christ myth
So by your logic, Ahura Mazda and the messiah ideology (the basis of the whole religion) must have come from Christianity due to the Avesta being written after Christianity? So what was the religious ideology of Zoroastrianism thousands of years before Judaism and Christianity? Does not make sense to say it was all influenced by Christianity.
I can understand that the Avestas would have been influenced by Christianity through tropes and what not but that doesn’t make sense of the fact that: 1) Cyrus of Persia proclaimed Yahweh as his god insinuating that Ahura Mazda is Yahweh in the Bible. 2) That three magi (most definately Zoroastrian priests) came from the East to meet Jesus.
I feel there is so many holes in the assertions you make regarding controversial subjects such as this. I have found that sometimes the truth of the Bible is uncomfortable and can make us question Christian beliefs we grew up with.
The Bible and Christianity takes from many different religions , you say AMEN, that comes from Egypt” Amen Ra” , the cross comes from the ankh, the story of Jesus takes parts from many other spiritual characters, the Bible teaches great ideas but it was not written by the creator, the “god” in the Bible has an ego and ego is a trait of this earth. For example, “he” is a “jealous god”.
Jared Clark trust your intuition at the end of the day if you believe something is wrong , there’s likely a reason for that , you won’t go to “hell” or any of this shit for thinking with the big beautiful brain that was gifted to you . Peace to you
Their is no evidence of copying from either side. We know Zoroastrianism changed over time but because of lack of sources we don't know the original beliefs.
I don’t think either of them would’ve influenced the other. All of the priests of Zoroastrianism were killed by Alexander the Great so we really don’t know what they believed because of the slaughter. I also find it hard to believe that the Zoroastrian priests would copy directly from their rival at the time. As for your two points Ahura Mazda first appeared during the reign of Darius the Great in the Behistun inscription. There is no insinuation that God and Ahura Mazda are the same deity in the Bible. As the the 3 wise men they could’ve been Nabateans because of their connection to Herod and not Persian priests.
@@BAWSMANThe “amen” in Judaism and Christianity means “let it be so”, it is Hebrew and not in anyway invoking the deity “Amun Ra”. The Cross literally came from the death penalty of crucifixion, what even are you saying?
Its actually impossible to examine the first holy books that describes Ahura mazda and The original practices of Zoroastrianism because many of them were burned and destroyed during the Umayyad and further on sunni occupations of Persia. So who is really to say what the authentic beliefs of Zoroastrianism actually are
Myles
this is sooo wrong!
Lion King what is wrong. Be more clear
@@thatpandaz6094 It's wrong because it conflicts with his core beliefs and admitting its correctness would be challenging them.
Actually it was Alexander of Macedon who slaughtered the entirety of the Zoroastrian clergy and with them the living words of the faith (until then the zoroastrian teachings were preserved orally). It's true that Islam also harmed Zoroastrianism but Shias were as worse as the Umayyads. The Safavids force converted the remaning Zoroastrians in Persia to Shia Islam and killed those who refused.
@@LionKing-ew9rm you say that but got nothing to back it up....
I think it should be noted that the literature of Old Persian language that other ancient sources refer to as providing detailed stories of Zoroastrian and it’s founder were completely destroyed by/during/the campaigns of Alexander III of Macedon, which in itself was a few hundred years before the birth of Jesus.
Michelle Huot how about oral tradition. Christianity didn’t have texts before the 4th century. Stories do not die with books my dear.
@@marchajj9941 Wrong my dear VERY wrong. The Gospel of Luke was finished before the end of the 1st century
@@marchajj9941 Check your sources - the whole New Testament was written down by the end of the first century (this is official and not a mere claim by Christians). Hard to believe but according to textual criticism Jesus is actually one of the best documented people (if not the best) of the classical period (i.e. Greek and Roman history). By the way, if you doubt the writings about Jesus you cannot believe anything about e.g. Alexander the Great, the Greek philosophers or let alone Buddha (who obviously did not live in the Greco-Roman world)
Dee Bee what i meant in my comment is that the bible as a group of different texts was done in the council of nicene or was regrouped in a single book. I know that the gospels were written at least 15-30 years after the death of jesus.
You are right Zoroastrian was spread by a Cyrus and darius king in their empire but as Alexander took over he might have destroyed it but all books are changed by people it self like bible have several versions. Quran says all of these were God books people changed them with respect to their needs. And only one holy book is not change and its Quran thats why its same all over the world.
Why call this philosophy if its just apologetics. This is clearly a christian channel. Who are you trying to fool?
I have to agree honestly it is obviously apologetics yet he puts philosophy as if he is actually trying to figure out something rather not *cough* apologising *cough*
So it can't be true because it's a Christian channel or it can't be true because you don't like it? Of may be truth is not important to you but you still want to share your biased opinion. Not sure what you're getting at...
@@remainhumble6432 I'm sure he's talking about the content creator's pretense of nuance or objective breakdowns when its plainly apologetics disguised as something else.
@@PaintedHoundie Once again... Are we interested in truth or are we pretending people only say things because they are biased? And if there is no truth, why bother commenting? I, for one, am only interested in truth.
So, according to you, if anyone holds any philosophy, then they are just an apologist, whenever they present their case? Is this true for Stoics and every other philosophical worldview or just Christians? Also, can you provide a single example of an actual, particular claim in the video with which you disagree, so that we can debate the logic and/or evidence that is offered, or are you just content to wage ad hominem attacks?
I am a Zoroastrian and foremost, I believe that good men wanted to connect humanity not to divide. I don't know why we take such high stakes on these these matters as to dominate others. Second, Abrahamic religions did incorporate many of Zoroaster's concepts. His ideaology for his time was mind blowing and massively effected the old world. I love that Zoroaster foremost speaks of wisdome and Goodness above all.
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May I ask how Abrahamic religions incorporated zoroasters concepts?
Sad that the Islamic hordes invaded and forcefully converted their subjects. Wasn't a peaceful transition but by the sword. Shame that almost none are left
We may partially blame Salman the Persian; he conspired with Muhammad; first he translated Zoroastrian books to Arabic and created Islam and then taught Arabs how to effectively fight the Persians. Perhaps the biggest traitor of times
I've honestly never heard anyone try to draw a direct line from Jesus to Zoroaster, so it's no wonder that this was so clearly debunked. The reason being, Judaism itself was influenced by Zoroastrian concepts, specifically the duality of Light/Dark, Ahura Mazda/Ahriman (as well as Set of the Egyptians, and Yam of the Canaanites), and you start to see certain Hebrew sects in the last century BC starting to introduce "ha-satan" (then a common noun, not a proper name), meaning "the adversary." Among these sects were those who became the early Christians.
Most of these other "debunked" claims are only debunked because they didn't originate with Zoroaster; they were themes borrowed from other cultures.
Osiris dying and being reborn as "the Son" Horus (whose shadow was Set, from which we get the word "Satan") is something taken from Egyptian religion. Casting out demons and possession in general is widespread among Sumerian, Babylonian, Akkadian, Chaldean, Canaanite, and Egyptian religions, among others. Other entities born to virgins in earlier mythologies include Ra (born of Neith), Perseus, Romulus (his mother impregnated by Mars), and even Alexander the Great's mother claimed to have been impregnated by a god FIRST before she and her husband consummated their marriage (in order to declare Alexander to be of divine origin), and there is a similar story of Osiris sneaking in on a new bride before her husband got to her for similar reasons. The Alexander tale is especially telling - virgin birth elevates the status of the child and he/she (He, in all cases, really) can be stated to be of divine origin.
The other traits in this video were all just traits of the Jesus story, added to the list just to be able to be crossed out. Kinda straw-man arguments really (as is this video as a whole), so kind of dishonest.
How else would a Christian theist "debunk" anything? They just repeat Bible nonsense and state it's facts.
AmenRa is basically Christian god, as spirit = wind + sun. So you can feel his spirit.
I believe he is referring to the popular internet Zeitgeist movie, which took the internet by storm years ago, which makes these claim. At least that is what I think he is trying to debunk, although I could be wrong.
@ shows exactly the kind of person you are. As a christian, I'm ashamed to have you in our community.
Mario Chartouni I don’t really care. Most of you are the reason we have boys dressing as girls. Fake Christians with no spine
Zoroaster/Zarathushtra is the truth, he brought mankind out of the darkness. It is a shame that the religion of Zoroaster has been suppressed and persecuted over the years. It is time for a revival of Zarathustrian teachings.
perhaps if you allowed conversions
IndieGrungeFolkStuff anyone can be a Zoroastrian by choice, you just have to follow Zarathushtra's teachings, which are in the Gathas.
Help me how to be converted into this Religion
@Justin Haubrick Christ did this. If you read the nag hammadi scriptures you will find this. The Jesus that has been taught by this generation is a false christ. In the apocryphon of John, Christ makes reference to the book of zoraster to John, and tells him to look there for more information on the origin of creation.
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Bro join Zoroastrianism group on Facebook and ask there
For analysis on a subject it is best to find an unbiased source who can look at it from a purely academic level. Wish me luck finding such a source in this world , lol.
@Markus Mauer you dont even read the Bible stupid!!!
Read Ashavid
all prophets messages are one it's for worship one God. and all prophets are slaves of God. and don't worship anyone with God because the first sin its Associating anything with Allah (God) in worship .
@Markus Mauer On Which sources do base your perspective about zoroastrian beliefs/ethics?
@Markus Mauer The Bible didn't "borrow" anything from anyone, the Bible is the Word of God, the one who has created it all, including Satan who came up with Zoroaster, Islam, false Christianity, etc.
Please do more research on Zoroaster. It seems more likely that Zoroaster lived around the 1500s BC, rather than the 600s BC, although I think that we can consider Zoroaster as having lived in the 600s BC.
If Zoroaster did live in the 600s BC, he would have been a contemporary of the prophet Daniel. Daniel only begins to write about angels when he is under the rule of the Persian Empire, and it is the same with eternal blessings and eternal condemnation, which only are written about in chapter 12, during the first year of Darius the Mede.
I know that you can say that Zoroaster may have taken his ideas from Daniel, but Daniel wrote about these things after Zoroaster was dead, around 539 BC when Babylon fell. I understand, also, that Ezekiel wrote about angelic figures in Ezekiel 1, for example, but Ezekiel wrote that portion when Zoroaster had been teaching already, I believe.
I understand that angels appear in the book of Judges as well, but when was the book written? I don't know when it was written, although I do believe by default that it was written around the time that the events of the book take place.
You mat say that these concepts are not the same in Zoroastrianism and in pre-Christian Judaism, but the point is not whether or not they are the same, which one should not expect them to be, but whether or not they are unprecedented in the previous writings and whether they are similar enough to make it most reasonable that one author copied the other.
There are apparently two works which were written by Zoroaster himself which we have access to, one of them being the Ghatas.
If the Hebrew prophets copied ideas from Zoroaster, then their doctrines are man-made. This, of course, is why it is necessary that we defend the Old and New Testaments from claims that their authors took doctrines from other men outside of their religious fold.
Please refute what I have said, because it truly does seem like certain Old Testament prophets copied from Zoroastrian teachings, and this is detrimental to the Word of God if it is true.
Did you ever find the answers you are looking for?
If you go to genesis chapter 19 verse 1 you can see that they talk about angels who went to sodom and prepare Lot to leave Sodom. Genesis was written by Moses 1445 bc. So I guess this is ebough to refute your argument
@@petersonlovinskyojean565 Scholars estimate that the Book of Genesis was written in the 6th and 5th century BC.
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@@petersonlovinskyojean565 Instead of responding with emojis, provide a scholarly source.
Also, people always say that Zoroastrianism influenced Judaism with ideas of resurrection and dualism of good and evil, but there are many problems with this line of thought.
First of all, resurrection in Judaism most likely grows out of the idea that YHWH would not abandon the rightious to Sheol with the wicked and that justice would prevail. The Jewish manuscripts on resurrection predates the Zoroastrian texts.
When it comes to dualism, the answer is that Judaism and Christianity are not dualistisk religions. Yes, Christianity do believe in the Devil who tempts people and try to make them fall, but the Devil is not some cosmic diety with powers that can match with YHWH's powers. The conflict is not with two equal dieties, but with one surpreme God of the universe and a tempter who tries to do evil by tempting people, unlike in the Zoroastrian religion where one god is almost the equal to the other.
Angra mainyu is clearly inferior to Ahura Mazda since he is bound to lose the battle. Second, a lot of the zoroastrian texts were destroyed by alexander and the muslims, hence the actual oldest zoroastrian texts are not found, what is clear is that 1: zoroastrianism predates Judaism and was practiced before the old testament was written 2: the devil is another form of the lesser god, they are not supposed to be the same, and remember that early Hebrew religion was polytheistic. 3: what you say about the resurrection is speculation 4: zoroastrianism was a huge religion and the whole region was under the control of persians who were zoroastrians, add to that the freeing of jews from slavery in babylon, so Judaism was bound to be heavily influenced by zoroastrianism, in the sense that the deity and traditions stay, but a lot of philosophies will be incorporated.
@@UndisputedGH05T hebrews were never polytheistic
@@Bajannubian095 They were. They gradually became monotheistic, a process that Zoroastrianism helped.
Agnosticism also believes in a single entity.
Mithraism influenced Judaism. not Zoroastrianism. Persian Mithraists were basically the social engineers of the time. dont forget that Cyrus the great saved the jews in babylon and relocated them in Jerusalem.
I'm very glad you uploaded this. I'm atheist but I always like hearing the counter arguments from Christians / believers before I go out and spit arguments that I heard from skeptics / atheist. Now I know better than to use this argument...
I appreciate your keeping an open mind. I am very much a believer ,bbut, do respect your freedom to make your own choice. Hope you learn the truth.
I hope one day the truth hits you you're in a search for it may I ask specific reasons that keeps you from accepting the story of Christ and the truth of the bible?
@@tyriqcollier5509 I can answer. Because it contradicts itself constantly. The history doesn’t add up. And the whole premise of faith is false because you can only hope for something ultimately without any solid proof. It’s another form of delusion actually because your whole reality is colored based off your belief/faith (when it might not be true). It’s pure delusion and that’s why I don’t believe or can accept it all.
The virgin birth of Jesus Christ was already prophesied in Genesis long before Zoroastrianism
Genesis 3:15 “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed *and her seed;* it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.” KJV
Women do not have seed, this only points to a miraculous virgin birth
@@Kevin-nr9hp Can you please write your argument down as a syllogism?
Something like this:
- *Premise 1:* the virgin birth was prophesied in Genesis.
- *Premise 2:* women do not have seed.
- *Conclusion:* therefore, Jesus was miraculously born of a virgin.
My friend don’t ever let anybody tell you that what you’re doing has no value because I can assure you the world needs these kind of simple it right to the point explanation and comparisons. Wonderful job keep up the good work. See you in heaven
As well, Jesus is referenced in contemporary Roman & Jewish secular sources. Perhaps I missed it but I am not aware of Zoroaster being referenced in contemporary ancient Egyptian writings.
Because Alexander the Great destroyed much of Zoroastrianism scriptures. Historically wise, Zoroastrianism came before Christianity or the Abrahamic religions that’s for sure.
Zarathushtra lived in modern day Afghanistan or north of it. How and why would be He referenced in Egypt of the time?
There you go discount a 3000 year old religion in just 2 minutes, Whatever you don't agree with just say it didn't happen. So typical
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Which is impossible
Someone on the internet told me so, so it must be true. Clearly you can time travel and reveal the secrets of the past.
This is funny because this is exactly what mythicists do....oh the irony
Have you heard the last phrase of the video?
Well it definitely did influence the bible, all this video says is that zarathustra isn't jesus which noone thought, it's thought that jesus was inspired by Dionysus and Gilgamesh/Hammurabi stories.
Zoroaster wasn't raised from the dead as Jesus was said to have.
raised from the dead is a METAPHOR!
It seems more likely to me that it was the same story passed down over time.
Nope. The video clearly says that research shows there's no manuscripts predating Biblical manuscripts. Also, the Majis worshipped Jesus. They were Zoroastrian priests probably of the highest order. I think the devil tried to lead you guys astray but Jesus is the way. Repent and Believe in Jesus!
@Türko-Farsi Stoner Would you say that most people do good things, good deeds and have good thoughts?
Türko-Farsi Stoner then in that case we are are all doomed lol
indeed.
JPS JPS you realize jesus was a Jewish man from Jerusalem right...
So the two characters are actually pretty close then , and one is 2000 years older than the other.
One of them seems to have lived earlier, but no writings about them until WAY after the other guy. See that video for specifics.
Soooooo you didn't watch it?? 😂
Most of the Bible was written one hundred years after Jesus with very little written white Jesus was alive. So much of the Bible is oral tradition also. True theologians say Zoroaster lived at least a millennia before Jesus.
The whole new testament had been finished before 100 AD
Talk about perfect timing, I just found this objection a few days ago...
*literally
Also, don't use "literally" when there isn't a common figurative counterpart, ie., "she literally died" should mean she, in actual fact died...but what is "I figuratively found this a few days ago?" Does someone use "a few days ago" in a non-literal fashion?
Levi Paladin are you seriously correcting my grammar when it has nothing to do with anything? This isn't Instagram, also literary was an autocorrect error.
_"...rebuke a wise man and he will love you."_ ~Proverbs 9 v8
Jesus died for your sins; (1st Corinth 15:1-4) Take away Jesus YOU have no Savior, & you are still in your sin, & lost, with no hope.
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That is the truth
I'm a Hindu so I'd like to think I have a fairly unbiased opinion on this
1.The Avesta was by tradition composed at minimum 1000 B.C
2.We know this because it's written in Avestan which died out at minimum 1000 BC
3.The "compositions" were copies of older manuscripts composed at minimum 600 BC but were probably older versions of manuscripts which were even older versions of oral traditions
4.We know Avestan died out about then due to the fact that we have other manuscripts at about this time showing Avestan was dispersing
5.As well we can affirm this as Avestan was a descendant or cousin of Sanskrit and uses a unrecognisable older versian of what was ancient Persian (Now also unrecognisable) for it to be made in the time of 600 as this idiot claims
6.As well I can attest to the fact that Avestan isn't to far from ancient Sanskrit(2000 B.C.E.) as I recognise syllables from vedic sanskrit.
It is likely that Zoroastrianism influenced Greek mythology which influenced Christianity as we know today as well there are Apocrypha (non biblical books) that state Jesus studied in (among other places) Persia this may have been related to the fact that three Magi (Greek word for Zoroastrian priests) visited him at his birth according to the gospel of Matthew this may have influenced Jesus's teachings.
As well Judaism has been influenced by Zoroastrian as one of the messiahs Cyrus the great a Zoroastrian who freed the Jews from slavery in Babylon and thus later in the book of Isiah we get the first mention of only one God and the devil.
The Avesta was written by the Sassanids during the 4th century CE, i say this because the Avestan language didn't have a written form until they made it. Which means that by then, the entire old and new testaments we're both already written. It's stupid to think that the Israelites adopted monotheism from the Zoroastrians, when the Israelites' religion was monotheistic centuries before Zoroastrianism even existed. The only reason it was written in Avestan is so that it would seem a lot older than it actually is. And Zoroaster is, according to tradition, thought to have lived during the 6th century B.C. which then begs the question, how would he have written the Avesta when the Avestan language didn't even have a written form yet. Zoroaster is thought by most modern historians to have changed the Persian national religion from a polytheistic one to a monotheistic one. And because of the many similarities between Judaism and Zoroastrianism, it is safe to conclude Zoroaster just took the monotheistic structure of Judaism and appropriated it to fit the Persian peoples.
It's by every mean the source of Vedic religion, NOT, hindu religion and certainly not Christianity or Greek philosophy.
Great playlist I’m just now discovering! Thank you for all the time and effort you put into your channel IP. You helped me find my faith again after I was an atheist for two years. You’re definitely one of my favorite Christian channels and when I can I plan to become a donator to your patron.
Funny how every current religion Denies religions that predate it had an influence.
Prove it
Funny how every armchair theologian has a reductionist argument
Christ is lord
He was a good prophet of Christianity yes, but he wasn't an incarnation of Christ.
Christianity goes back to ancient Persia. Their sun-god Mithra was a figure of the Truth, of Covenant and a Savior. I think He was a manifestation of Christ even older than the one that appeared to Moses. So ancient Persians didn't know it but they were really also Christians.
They even believed in a kind of Trinity with Ahuramazda as the creator, Mithra and Anahita (a life-giving force), usually invoking the three of them in the same prayers.
The Good God of Zoroaster is Jesus's Father . God is only One remember that always , Ahura Mazda
Sure but there's no teachings or understanding of Jesus from the Zoroaster religion. If Zoroaster is Jesus, then it was later writings. You should return to the original. It seems Jesus is very important to Zoroastrianism. You should probably read the Bible, study it, believe and obey what it says then. What are you waiting for? Life is short. Repent and believe. You're loved!
there's only one God there's not multiple Jesus Christ is God In the flesh took away the sins of the world zoroaster is a fake pagan God.
I know the Lord Jesus Christ was not zoroaster at all.
@JP JP no that was wrong.
This looks to be another case of skeptics citing a pre-Christian religion, assuming that the post-Christian form of the religion (which we know about) has remained faithful to the pre-Christian form of the religion (which we know nothing about) and speculating that the similarities between the religion and Christianity are due to Christianity borrowing from the religion in question. It’s a philosophical argument without solid evidence to back it up. Have we any good reason not to suppose that it was Zoroastrianism which borrowed from Christianity and not vice versa? We know that Zoroastrianism borrowed freely from the polytheistic faiths of the region in which it became popular. Mithra, for example, was a Persian god who found a prominent role in Zoroastrianism. Mithra’s Hindu counterpart is the god Mitra.
@Streetsdisciple001 what is.
Thé Avesta was constituted on the remains of the gāthās, Alexander destroyed Persepolis and many cultural centres.
Zoroastrism evolved from 1700 BC to the Muslim conquest around 700 in many different groups, during that long period zoroastrism had diversified in different trends with different cosmologies.
One thing that would explain all these borrowings referring clearly to Jesus could be explained by the obligation Muslim rulers imposed to population : to be accepted as a dhimmi as were Jews and Christians living in Persia, they had to meet these 3 conditions : 1- worship a unique God-2- have a written book 3- have a Prophet.
If these 3 conditions were not met , they were forced convert to Islam. A Part of Zoroastrians had indeed to escaped in India.
It is possible that the biography of Zoroaster was changed at that moment , and partially borrowed to Jesus in order to be recognized as dhimmi by muslims.
Anyway it is well known that Zoroastrism had largely influence levant during the Achemenide empire ( book of Ezra)
Judge by the fruits produced. I find many acceptable tenets and practices in Zoroastrianism which do not offend and appear to support the working of the Holy Spirit in this world.
I find all religion to be immoral behavior. A cage for the true spirit.
@@je-freenorman7787 What makes you say that?
@@je-freenorman7787 It’s better to be a slave to God than to be a slave to your own desires.
@@Rotisiv The sad part is , you are in a cult and don't know and you think someone that did not exist, died for you to do what ever you want. So, now others all pay your consequences.
Not really. Its a deception. They never told anyone they are on your side. They scam you with language. Government is there for compliance on your slavery. You just accept it and say, its not so.
You gotta understand, the Crown virus "belongs" to the Crown.
Government is only there to gain your Compliance on religion and corporate slavery. Government is a Corporation that gets all their Authority from you and your religious beliefs, in things that do not exist. Religion is a curse to humanity.
That is the ultimate truth
Hey I'm a Christian but I have an odd question. How did God separate light from dark on the first day if sun and stars were created on 4th day. I'm not trying to use this as an argument I'm just looking for a reasonable answer.
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The Ancient Egyptian Pyramids were originally built as altars, to worship the Elohim Extraterrestrials👽
Bible: Isaiah 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar (pyramid) to the Elohim👽 in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar (obelisk) at the border (of the pyramid) thereof to the Elohim👽.
That's why the pyramids align with the 3 stars of Orion ⭐⭐⭐.
"God" is pagan name, it's from the name Gad, Gad in the bible was a Babylonian God of fortune. Google it! The real Creator YHWH l believe may have been an Extraterrestrial that came to earth thousands of years ago, and according to the Bible's book of Revelation will be back again one day after the evil one known as The Antichrist is revealed.
Isaiah 65:11 But ye are they that forsake me the Elohim YHWH, that forget my holy mountain, and prepare a table offering for Gad, the god of fortune.
I'm so happy that some Christians have finally added the Hebrew word for "god" and "gods" which is "Elohim" to their Bibles.
Berashit (aka Genesis) 1:1 In the beginning ( the) Elohim created the heaven and the earth.
Bereshit (aka Genesis) 1:26 Then Elohim said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness👽.
Genesis 3:8
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Elohim YHWH as he was 🚶♂️WALKING🚶♂️ in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Elohim YHWH among the trees of the garden.
Yechezkel (aka
Ezekiel ) 1:5 ...within it 🛸 was the form of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: They had the appearance of man ( human) 👽
Yahsuah aka Jesus may have been an Elohim Extraterrestrial, Son of the ET Elohim YHWH 👽
John 10:36 Jesus said "I am the Son of (the) Elohim YHWH" 👽🛸
John 8:14 Jesus " l am not from this world " 🌍✨
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto Jesus, "You are My Lord, and my Elohim"👽.
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended🛸 to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend🛸 unto my Father, and your Father; and to my Elohim, and your Elohim👽.
Acts 1:9-10 Now when Jesus had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up🛸, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. They looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up🛸
In our Future...
Revelation 21:2 l saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem ( Spaceship🛸), coming down out of heaven from YHWH Elohim 🛸👽
Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! Elohim YHWH dwelling place🛸 is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and Elohim YHWH himself will be with them and be their Elohim.
The truth is finally being revealed! And the truth shall set you free! 🛸👽😁👍
Ok but when they're making stories they won't copy the exact thing from previous writers it is called inspiration. There is no doubt that the Abrahamic notable characters were all based on previous legends of middle east.
The Avesta is much older than 4 century AD. in fact we know that Alexander the Great burned the original one
Wrong. It wasn't written down until 4th Century AD. Oral tradition might have been earlier than this, but that is a very weak evidence. On top of that the oldest manuscripts of Avesta is only from the 13th Century, while we have the almost complete manuscript of John's Gospel Papyrus 66 from the 2nd Century.
@@alangervasisHe is right. Alexander destroyed the first copy of the Avesta after conquering Persepolis.
I am an Iranian who have done many studies regarding this. Here are my findings:
1. Zoroastrianism is the first Monodist religion in the world.
2. Magis mentioned in Bible are indeed Zoroastrian priests coming to see Jesus, the son of God. (Magi = Zoroastrian priests)
3. Zoroastrians believe in Soshyants who will save the world. Jesus is believed to be the Soshyant who is born from the a virgin mother and this was foretold before Jesus's birth which is the reason why Magis went to see Jesus in the first place.
4. Zoroastrianism follows mostly the same principles as Jesus. (I mean the teachings of how to behave and how to love which makes you have a more concrete proof that Jesus was actually God)
I am now a Christian (Exmuslim). The reason why I am a Christian, is because Jesus's love and how he gives me peace and protects me. However, I don't believe any Zoroastrian should be counted as a "Pagan" person which I see in many channels. I believe they believe in the same God as Christians.
Not only Christianity, in fact, the whole concept of Abrahamic religion is based off Zoroastrianism.
read the old testament and then compare it to the new testament. you will see how Judaism goes from Polytheism to monasticism. Even their belief about after life suddenly changes.
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Proud persian zoroastrian🙌💕🇮🇷
Love jesus christ❤
How come you didn’t apply these same standards to Jesus too? I mean looking for external texts to verify the stories. Hardly a fair fight.
Just tell me why you think so many people layed down their lives as martyrs in the centuries following Christ or do you think it didn't happen and I don't mean fought for their lives I mean literally wanted to die to prove their faith tell me that and we can go from there
@@tyriqcollier5509 oh my god this is why I’m not a Christian. Egotistical stupid responses like this
@@tyriqcollier5509 this idiots works off the assumption people in mass only died for Christianity.....wow...smh
I am having some doubts over the reliability of the Jewish texts since during Persian captivity many claim that it was because of this that prophecies emerged about the messiah, resurrection, etc. What are your thoughts on that?
What textual evidence supports it if the Zoroastrian texts are so late?
Well as many people has stated, within the scriptures made by Isaiah and David, when the Persians came, you see how the prophecies turn to the coming of the messiah and the resurrection much more directly, similar to the prophecies made in Zoroastrianism. I see how the evidence is late but within the time period during and after the Persians came, you see elements of Zoroastrianism present. It just seems that, that is the most common argument. Thanks for your response by the way.
It is a common argument, but it is built on sand. Those same Jewish works express committing to their own scriptures and covenant and speak strongly against syncretism. It doesn't add up.
It wasn't the Persian captivity, but the Babylonian captivity!
The Persian King liberated the Israelites from the Babylonian captivity and relocated them in their land and ordered the rebuilt of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem.
The Israelites called the Persian Emperor King of Kings!!!
This is the link between Israel and Persia.
And with Zoroastrians.
@@InspiringPhilosophy but we are seeing some sort of textual evolution,Satan is never mentioned in the old testament,only in the book of job which was composed after the Persian conquest of Babylon,then we have the two spirits theology,book of Enoch etc which were borrowed from zoroastrianism which later developed into Christianity.The idea of heaven and hell is clearly zoroastrian
Yeah,actually Jesus was based on Zoroaster and other local and pre common era mythical people
It was bastardized by other religions. Zarathustra was about good and evil and counting on the good will of Humans to make this planet a better place. It wasn't about any race or power .
Do you have evidence to show that?
Sure ..but i appreciate your arguments and your channel ,although i disagree,based on evidence.
One initial source of evidence and argument (which i know you have addressed ,at lest in part) is the book "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors; Or, Christianity Before Christ, Containing New, Startling, and Extraordinary Revelations in Religious History, which Disclose the Oriental Origin of All the Doctrines, Principles, Precepts, and Miracles of the Christian New Testament, and Furnishing a Key for Unlocking Many of Its Sacred Mysteries, Besides Comprising the History of 16 Heathen Crucified Gods"- mouthful,i know ,lol
A great summery along with criticism can be found on Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World's_Sixteen_Crucified_Saviors
While its dated and incomplete, i appreciate some of its points- as i do the Bible.
exactly,without Zoroastrianism and its legacy as the faith of the worlds first multi ethnic and trans continental super power (Persia) ,there'd probably be no Judaism or Christianity and Islamic derivatives as we know and understand them to day
The book has no evidence to support it. There were no sixteen crucified saviors and I've been going through these: th-cam.com/video/5FR08QtvapM/w-d-xo.html
Hello.
There is a problem with the terms used. The Avesta is the foundation of Mazdeism and the first written traces are Persian and date from 3000 BC. Mazdeism is a complex polytheism which will be the basis of several religions. Zarathustra (1700 B.C.) is a reformer who extracted from the Avesta, the text of the Gathas. Zoroastrianism was the religion of the Persians from 1000 BC to 652 AD. Evidence of the dates is reflected in the production of coins architectural production of that time, as well as various books. It was Alexander the Great who, by burning down the library of Persepolis, almost destroyed the books from before the Avesta. For the Avesta written on parchment, the oldest version dates back to around 650, at the time of the Muslim invasion, this document left with the last Zoroastrians in India. The older versions are engraved in cuneiform characters and date from around 2000 BC, they were discovered in the mid-nineteenth century. Plato, Herodotus, Pythagoras etc... Refers to Zarathustra and quotes him. Now that the Hebrew, Christian and Muslim religions have been inspired, there is no doubt, but it doesn't really matter. The truth is not the text, but its content. These texts are thought-provoking and are eternal because they allow us to reflect on our condition as human beings. Did Jesus ask that pastors be appointed, that temples be erected? No, he went away saying that he loved you all.
It was not the religion of the Persians, it was the religion of the most Iranic peoples. The Persian heartland is located in southwestern Iran, in modern-day Fars. Zarathustra was probably from northeastern Iran, Turkmenistan or Afghanistan.
@@bhka6423 zoroastrianism was the official religion of Persian Empire
because of a zoroastrian prophecy, there were three zoroastrian priests that braught gifts to jesus, predicting the king of the jews . they were called "magican" which is a roman term for zoroastrian priests.
zoroastrian priests are recorded in the bible Matthew 2 : 1-2
@@ibrahimlimhim2019 true👍
How about considering “InspiringChristianity” instead?
Okay
Just tell me how
So in other words... it’s not that Christianity ripped off Zoroastrianism... it’s that Zoroastrianism ripped off Christianity and then Christianity was falsely accused of doing to Zoroastrianism what Zoroastrianism had ACTUALLY done to Christianity. The accusation of Christianity plagiarizing Zoroastrianism is theological projection and nothing more.
@@indianboy59did you even watch the video??
@@shadycnetwork Yeah I did.
That comment was made about 2 months ago and the opinions of a person are subject to change as we learn more.
@@indianboy59You should look up info on the Angel of the Lord in the old testament. The trinity was always there. Later forms of Judaism removed it, not Christians adding it.
Wrong. The opposite happened
Could you do another video on whether or not Judaism was influenced by Zoroastrianism? Non-Christians have this idea that the notion of Messiah did not come about in the faith until during/after the exile.
I plan to eventually.
I'm actually being taught this in my college World History class. I'm intrigued.
Spencer Gage
ofcourse that it has been
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Spencer Gage You wanna know about this, I can tell you all about this. All abrahamic religionsvas well as Buddha and conficuse based their ideas on Zoroaster
Where is the video. I have been waiting for three years can you please make it brother.
"The Church today stands on one statement 1st Corinth 15:1-4. Reads this is "the gospel" that we preach, which you receive; which you stand on (foundation), which you are saved. That Christ died for our sins, & was buried according to the O.T. scripture. & on the 3rd day rose from the dead, according to the O.T. scripture. Our salvation is the finished works of the Cross of Jesus. It is finished he cried & gave up the ghost. Preaching of the CROSS, foolishness to them that perish, but to us that are SAVED, the Power of God.
Amen also john 3:16 and 1 john 4:6
The Christ just died earlier for our sins. He would have died anyways!!
You're religion is blasphemy
Although I've had personal experience with Jesus himself and he has saved me from certain death I have to disagree with you on Zoroastrian religion because Jews, Christians and Muslims have taken so much from that religion. In fact I believe Zoroaster had said at one point that a savior will come from a Holly mother who has never known a man prior to his birth
You need evidence for that claim.
InspiringPhilosophy which ine, I've made a few claims there
Me You The story of the Saoshyant's (savior’s) conception (being born of a virgin) and early life are described in Denkard, written 10th century AC. Way after Jesus.
Me You denkard book 7 chapter 10 ‘verse’ 18
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@@InspiringPhilosophy Zoroastrianism is not a monotheistic religion, but a dualistic belief in two eternal, all-powerful gods, Ahura Mazda- (good god) and Angra Mainju- (evil god). Everything else in your video is cool.
The influence Zoroastrian has had on Judaism and Christianity is undeniable!
No it's probably the other way around
No, it is undeniable. You’re likely just ideologically handicapped.
@@Christisthetruce how it’s the other way around when Zoroastrianism is older?
@@SHOTBYWAVO cuz it’s texts post dates the gospels
@@SHOTBYWAVOthe sources claiming Zoroaster time of living are 2 thousands years older than zoroaster himself lol
this whole premise of 'did X copy from Y?' is so wrong. Cultures interact and influence each other. No one "copied" anyone; it's more about branches stemming from the same trunk... And that trunk is ultimately the IE religion, as far as we can tell nowadays.
Jesus Christ
Zoroaster
Muhammad
Krishna
Buddha
Guru Nanak Dev
Laozi
Confucius
Mahavira
Bab
Mani
Moses
David
Abraham
All
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Its not so much that Jesus is based on Zoroaster as it is that Zoroaster was a prophet sent before Jesus, There has been prophets sent throughout time, Zoroaster predicted another prophet of a virgin birth, Jesus stated there were prophets before, and also said he would have a helper after him(Jesus). Some think that was Muhammad, some don't But Both Jesus and Zoroaster in my opinion had similar messages and as i said both validate each other
You need to translate this to Persian very urgently. Many Iranians are turning away from Islam and they are choosing Zoroastrianism instead of Christianity. May God enlighten them to reunite in his church. Amen.
Zoroaster predates Jesus. That doesn’t mean what we call the Christian Faith didn’t exist before hand. Nor does it mean The Hebrew people and descendants of Noah and Abraham didn’t tell the stories and miracles of their God and live a life of faith to God.
Jamar Martin my g , Christian faith wasn’t before The Jewish faith. So what does that tell you..... plagiarism!
The fact that Zoroaster’s stories was after Jesus pretty much debunks all of their arguments
Contrary to popular belief, Zoroastrianism is not the first monotheistic religion, not even by a long shot.
The Avesta (Zoroastrian equivalent to the Bible) was written by the Sassanids during the 4th century CE, i say this because the Avestan language didn't even have a written form until they (the Sassanids) made it.
By the way, Avestan (an ancient Persian language) went extinct in the 10th century BC, and Zoroaster is thought to have lived during the 6th century BC. So tell me how on earth would Zoroaster have been able to write a book in an already extinct language that didn't even have a written form?
And let's say that the Avesta was written by Zoroaster in the 6th century BC, by then, 90% of the Old Testament has already been written and put to use.
Even if Zoroaster somehow had managed to write the Avesta, he still only managed to write it 800 years after the Old testament was already written.
It's stupid to think that the Israelites adopted monotheism from the Zoroastrians, when the Israelites' religion was monotheistic centuries before Zoroastrianism even existed.
The only reason the Avesta was written in Avestan is so that it would seem a lot older than it actually is.
Zoroaster is thought by most modern historians to have changed the Persian national religion from a polytheistic one to a monotheistic one.
And because of the many similarities between Judaism and Zoroastrianism, it is safe to conclude Zoroaster just took the monotheistic structure of Judaism and appropriated it to fit the Persian peoples.
Nope,zoroastrianism started in the 6th century bc.
In the old testament predates Zoroastrianism.
I honestly think that God outsmarted those who would declare Jesus as a myth created by other myths through one act: prophecies created by transcripts dated around 1000 B.C.
Moderns would change that too if they could but you're right, God is showing them that evidence is never enough for those who choose to be blind.
Thanks for the video IP! I always enjoy watching them. May God bless you and your channel!
Jesus wins, c'mon now, this is not some game,all faiths have there arguments that can be done away with, this here is somewhat of a religious bashing,you can bash any faith but it shouldn't be about who's wrong or who's right,we are here to love each other and learn
Before Islam, the name of Afghanistan was Ariana, which is mentioned in Avesta Ariana
Zarathustra was born in Balkh 600 years before Christianity
And Zoroastrian tomb is in Mazar-e Sharif, Afghanistan
Iran is the old name of Afghanistan In 1935 Reza Shah quoted Shahnameh as the Iranian name on the Persian land.
Ferdowsi in the Shahnameh of the East🇦🇫 has mentioned Iran
دروغ گو زرتشت در ایران ویج آذربایجان امروزی به دنيا اومده و در بلخ از دنیا رفته
Afghani mongol stop stealing history
Once again this kind of Afghan anachronistic revisionism. Iran was the endonym of Iran since Antiquity.
It was how this land was called by its own inhabitants since then, since the Avesta and especially Sassanian Empire.
Persia is an exonym, which refers to the southwestern Iranian region of Fârs/Pârs from which great Persian dynasties such as Achaemenid and Sassanian were hailing and this is how Greeks used to call Iran, which has popularized around the world since then. Iranians weren’t calling their own country "Persia" if anything.
Nothing to do with Reza Shah of whatsoever.
You’re just clueless and or doing it on purpose therefore you only chose what would suit your revisionist agenda when you don’t know historical facts
A completely flawed presentation - for 2 main reasons;
1. The presenter provides a list of claims supposedly made about Zoroaster. But who is making these claims? Are they widely held beliefs or just throw away comments made by individuals
2. The presenter seems to confuse "based on" with exactly the same as.
1. They are made by Jesus mythicists.
2. I'm responding to Jesus mythicists.
Your reasons for reducing Zoroastrianism are inaccurate and can be applied to Christianity
Your video is a bunch of lies
There is no myth that zoroaster was born from virgin or baptized after birth
Were you there
The myth is that the coming savior or saoshyant would be born of a virgin. This comes from the denkard book 7 chapter 10, written 10th century AD, way after Jesus.
silent hawk you’re right that the halo of light around the head was a Roman cultural thing, it wasn’t biblical or anything it was done is paintings only. But Mithras wasn’t born of a virgin. The only thing we know about his beginnings in the Roman Empire is that he was depicted as being born from a rock already older. It’s a bit of a stretch to claim he was born of a virgin. These beliefs of Mithras that come from the Roman Empire are dated to after the events of Jesus anyway.
Odin Lightning Emperor what do you mean Jesus is the incarnation of Zarathustra? Where do you get that from?
Odin Lightning Emperor well I have some questions about that too but my question was why do you think Jesus is the incarnation of Zarathustra and where do you get that idea from?
The oldest Zoroastrian texts are over 4,000 years old. The oldest biblical text(silver scrolls) are only 2,700 years old. The new testament is even younger than that. It's a silly comparison.
He literally said in the video that one, Zoroaster lived around 1000 BC, and that the earliest texts date to way after the New Testament.
Another job well done IP - your videos encourage & inspire me a lot :o)
dan4Jesus2012 your approving this channel... dan 4 Jesus 😂 😂
At one time or another, I've read about all these strange claims, but I've read so much, I forget all I know! I really appreciate your tireless efforts to challenge people to consider the shallowness of these claims, but perhaps relying on memes is easier than studying. I think the earliest paper I read was titled, "The Mithra Myth", and now I find that particular article nowhere on the web. You're a quick reminder of so much we need to be aware of. GBY, and your efforts, and long may they all live!
Betsy Ross
myth is you and your jesus which has lived no where except in book of prisoned homsexual kng bible which changed zorostrian names to jew and christian name with order of GREEC empire...give us one only one evidnce any person as jesus ever lived in human history
I m catholic christian, but i believe that Zoroasto has been a real prophet.
im going to do my first ug degree (ba in philosophy), and i want to be an apologist, but i donno much about it nd im not clear what degree should i take after ug ma in religion? ma in div/th.? philosophy of religion? is it normal to not know what to do at this point??
Perhaps add a physical science too. Like physics or biology. Electricity/energy. Not to waver but, to stay grounded. Languages are a good study. The word religion comes from the Latin Religare, to Tie, to bind or to thwart from forward progress. Also seen is Ligare, or litigator.
Persian King Cyrus is a Zoroastrian Himself
I had a teacher named michael burger during my first year of high school
It all rather misses the point, God is in your heart, not in scriptures or tradition. God is here now and needs no interpretation. Good Thoughts, Good Words, Good Deeds. That is all ye need to know.
Erik Hrafn yes
1243 comments all arguing for their own gods. Nobody noticed that all their doctrines were the same. Peace for you all in your anguish.
I'm a Zoroastrian from Iran, and never heard of, or learned those stories you mentioned in your video. never heard of them, they are all lies you mentioned here. All imaginary stories we learned, were about other prophets. Also, Avesta doesn't contain anything about those imaginary things you mentioned, we heard all of that only about Jesus.
He’s not « debuking » it but just those who make theses claims
He's not saying that zoroastrianism is false, he's just debunking some Jesus mythicists who claim that Jesus was copied from Zoroaster.
@@secondnature4891 maybe that’s his stance on Jesus. Maybe he think Jesus was copied from Zoroaster, since he is a zoroastrian
Religion: Mazdasna. Prophet: Zarathustra. God: Ahuramazda. Place of formation: Iran. Area spread: from northern India to the center of the Roman Empire. Book: Avesta.
Earliest mentions of Zoroaster go back to the 5th century, Plato wrote about Zoroaster and as someone said here, the bible mentions the Magi. So your whole premise falls apart
Proof?
No one say zoroaster didn't mention before Christ
Just his story didn't exist before 300 AD
@@JLxavyo Plato's republic mentioned him
@@Last_judah Wrong. The first evidence of his story is in the 4th century BC
the bible itself says μάγοι, magoi were brought jesus gifts sometime after his birth. The term refers to the Persian priestly caste of Zoroastrianism, therefor zarathustra & zoroastrian magi preceded Jesus
Source.
@@pleaseenteraname1103 I don’t actually believe this anymore as it seems the essenes preceded zoroastrianism and Jesus was an Essene. Zoroastrianism is essentially a sect of the ancient essene faith of esau and ahbraham, also known as the melchizedek, king of righteousness. The essenes were hunted down and killed or converted to Christianity after Jesus Christ fulfilled the prophecy of the coming Melchizedek scroll 11Q13 leaving only their relics such as the dead sea scrolls behind in Qumran.
Zoroastrianism is what Christians copied. You Evangelist "hate" every other religion other than yours.
Stop hating. Hate is against PEACE.
Dang, 50k subscribers? Moving up, buddy!
You forgot to add
-That Guy
No one copied from no one. Why is it so hard for you people to believe that the same God contacted Zoroaster, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed Peace Be Upon Them, and they taught the same message?
Jesus is king izates...........
Bruh Egyptian religion is what most if not all religions are based on
No it's not you stupid. Please go get an education before you post your ignorance 🤦♂️
No
Fun fact Zoroastrians predicted the son of God coming to earth to save us all they didn’t know when but they knew he was coming
zoroastrian priests are recorded in the bible Matthew 2 : 1-2
Wouldn’t it be funny if Zoroastria knew Jesus before Jesus was born on the Earth. That would be a huge funny coincidence of a story to read about.
I put all my faith and hope in Jesus as my rock and joy so it best be authentic! Besides we have the holy spirit and walking in power identity and gifts! The other religion doesn't. So Jesus proves he is alive!
Was*
Your ego says he is alive
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This channel is one of my top 3 favourite youtube channels. Keep up the great work.
I NEEDED THIS VIDEO
There are so many similarities between religions but that does not mean it was stolen...
There were 134000 prophets and messengers sent by God to every nation for the particular time period. Some were blessed by holy scriptures such as Buddha, Krishna, Zarathustra, Jesus, Moses, Muhammad. God is Just and One. There are similarities since they are all from one God.
Buddha never said that he is the messenger of god .
@@anonymousz3836 Nor He said he was a God. People asked him if God existed he didn't deny.
Are you muslim?
@@moviemania2010 134000 prophets send by G'd where did you get this from???
@@moviemania2010 That doesn't mean that he is God you know
Most critics forget the fact that JESUS WAS PROPHESIED ABOUT MORE THAN 1000 years before He actually came!!!! Every detail about His birth, life and ressurection adequately specified by prophets that lived before Him. Even in the Garden of Eden, God promised the serpent that there would be a confrontation between him and "the seed of the woman".
What ever Greeks and Romans had , was copied from the land of Aryans . Avesta has been around for at least 6000 years and it belongs to Iranians . Iran and Avesta belong only to Aryana and Iranians .
That is not true, Avesta has been around for about 1000 years BCE. But most likely 800-900 BCE. Source: Kellens, Jean (1987), "Characters of Ancient Mazdaism", History and Anthropology, vol. 3, Great Britain: Harwood Academic Publishers, pp. 239-262.
shut up buffoon
There is no race called as Aryans
@@humanbeing2722 well, you're just plain wrong. The name Iran (which has always been the name of the country, not persia) means the land of aryans in persian, which is taken from Airyanem Vaejah of avestan language, Persian kings have repeatedly referred to themselves as Aryans as an ethnic term, so yeah... you're just wrong.
Arya, hence Aryan... is Tibet. Get it right. And no, Arya weren't Nazis. They were obscure enough that Hitler used their symbols and further confused the bush league theologians on youtube. READ A BOOK, ferchrissakes. It would be also part of Afghanistan (oh, yeah, where they blew up that 3000 year old Buddha carved into a mountain ? ) Keep your nationalist crap out. Maybe Shah Pahlavi shouldn't have been a coke-snorting whore monger who let his sons act like scumbags ? Enjoy your Ayatollahs, and remember: you guy fell for greed and gluttony. Congrats.
Stories and archetypes are used and reused over time. It's not unexpected in the oral and written histories. Not really sure why the two need to be pitted against each other like this. Quite frankly, as we know, Zardusht predates Judaism and Yeshua by a very long time. Zardusht was the first messianic messenger, the first prophet essentially, of a monotheistic god in human history.
There is no evidence that it predates Judaism you liar
Oddly, there have been a number of docs on PBS about this. It appears, according to the pottery and so on found by archeologist digging there and there, that religions or religious beliefs have evolved over time. Egypt is almost a pro-type, from what I gather. I didn't know that such findings were so well-developed. Many religions, apparently, revolved around agriculture, or fertility of the land. Or even storm deities, Zeus and his fabled bolts of lighting. Lightening often results in fire. I have heard that Fire (the chemical combustion of an organic substrate, say), writ large, is often part of Zoroaster ceremonies, that can also be said of modern day ceremonies, religious or not. Things that will make you go, 'hmm?'
The Magi of the Bible were Zoroastrian priests the names of three Magi-Bithisarea, Melichior, and Gathaspa and they were lead to Jesus by the unusual star that they studied and the knowledge of the coming king of kings.
There is no Jesus vs Zoroaster because one preceded the other as God intended.
Our ancestors are from the house of Merinita.
I love this series you have going, IP. I share all of your videos on my own apologetics page.
There is some legend that Zarathustra wanted his teachings improved by wise people who would follow him down through the centuries; he appears to have denied infallibility. Voltaire considered his teachings superior to the dogma of the Abrahamic religions.
Can't be improved my wise people and scholars, when the Word of God is brought by a fully enlightened being. But I know what you are saying..
I live in Southern California im Jewish (paternally) raised in the culture though etc-. and was lucky to meet a couple of Parsi people in my life to understand the grandfather religion of monothiesm Zoroastrianism overall is a very lovely religion.. very kind people with good morals and kindness..
When you break free of your programming, indoctrination and mind control, you'll begin to see the true timeline, then you might begin to understand the similarities between Jesus, Zoroaster, Buddha, Issa, etc.
Bro casually ignoring the evidence he cited throughout the video lmao.
@@wraves693 My comment is about the timeline lies in this video - zero evidence in this video corroborates the lies - from lunatics - but which almost everyone clings to - totally oblivious to the intentional deception.
Not vs, With is better
Long Live Zoroastrianism and Christianity
@Sam Parsa No, just that people don't want to follow Christianity properly but call themselves Christians, which leads to a bad example of hate and evil. I'm sorry you've been led to believe that! no, i am genuinely mad at some of those people for making it seem so.
Oh, and Islam is a tricky one. Most Muslims actually like their religion and are peaceful, it'sjust we hardly ever hear about them because all the news is about the radical terrorists who are actually also being bad examples. Both Christianity and Islam have restrictions on war and oppression, but basically all the rules have been broken many times and Islam's are a lot less strict anyhow. Technically a Muslim cannot go shoot up a plane without an actually good reason, for the Koran actually says that "People of the Book, be they Christian, Jew, Muslim, or Sabian, have nothing to fear, for they..." i don't remember. Something about not causing harm to Islam or anything. But yeah.
Rub your eyes and get glasses
@Sam Parsa wait you compred us to Muslims
Ok I always say judge a religion by it's central figure and writing
And I don't know about you but Jesus and muhamed are polar opposite I can't find a more polar opposite
I mean no where did Jesus command me to kill rape or steal if I do that he would actually condem me
Unlike Allah so
How are they similar ?
No, just to Christianism
@@ioanbeuka6479 no one asked an Jew a question
@@sinagorgani8409 im not jew , im cristhian, is that the motive of why I wrote that
I'm not a mythicist but I did watch the zeitgeist film and fact check it because I thought there was no way Horus and Zoroaster were so paralleled. I did find that a lot of what the movie had to offer on Christianity and astrology checks out, but as for their being exact replicas of the savior motiff, there are no primary sources we have to make these conclusions. I think Osiris and Mithras are much more compelling than Horus and Zoroaster and I'm certain these claims developed from later cults/hoaxes
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@@InspiringPhilosophy well I'll be damned haha that'll take a hot minute but I appreciate the time you put into these
@@DharmasGhost that's not how conspiracies work mate, there's always a few nuggets of truth that they build the narrative on. Flat earthers have pretty good reasons not to trust the government, therefore the earth is flat lol
Wrong!
Original Christ (not distorted by the Jews) confessed Zoroastrianism and preached about the Father Ahura Mazda.
Study the spiritual science of "Christ-Zoroastrism"!
No evidence of that.
No evidence of any of it.
Its always non Zoroastrianism practicers and non Christians saying our religions are the same haha
I'm still hoping for someone to make a JESUS vs. BATMAN..
Lol. At this rate, it may happen
Well, there is a Jesus vs. Superman