Does a Steering Box Stabilizer actually eliminate Death Wobble?
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The BD Diesel Steering Box Stabilizer (SBS) eliminates steering wander and wobble in your 1994-2018 Dodge Ram 2500/3500 and 1994-2001 Dodge Ram 1500.
"We've reduced the deflection down to 0.010" as the dial sweeps past 0.010" before the camera cuts
2 months and still no answer. I saw it pass it and cut the camera out as well. Genuinely curious on what the difference will be.. The world may never know.
HAHA, i'm glad I'm not the only one that caught that. I don't think that gauge does what they say it does.
I was just about to make the same comment
"I am the liquor". Jim Lahey!
Did this on an old '99 1500 with my dad. Direct solution! Worked real well and nailed it. Highly recommend a stabilizer bar for these trucks.
Was it 2 wheel?
I love your products and have your steering stabilizer on my 17 Ram 2500. However I think it would be worth mentioning that just about any worn steering component on the front end of these(solid axle) vehicles (Ball joints, track bar bearings, drag link/tie rod bearings, etc) can contribute to and cause death wobble. Not sure there is a magic bullet fix other than replacing any worn components. Of course this aftermarket fix along with some others(upgraded drag link/tie rod, Upgraded track bar) will keep ya rolling straight alot better than the factory junk!
This is a good product and I use it on my 98. All this does is remove some of the slop in the steering wheel from the play in the output shaft of the gearbox. They way they are advertising it is not accurate and this will not fix deathwobble. Years 94 to 97 and '00 until the 4th gen can sufffer from deathwobble due to the fact of the steering suspension forming a 'Y'. Most 2500s and 3500s 98-99 utilized the HD steering suspension that they later used on all 4th gen solid axle where the tie rod is a solid piece with an adjustment sleeve for alignment. This is the style that they're demonstrating in the video.... So if you're wanting to fix your deathwobble then you have to upgrade to the 98-99 HD tie rods, drag link and pitman arm for the second gen. If you buy the 4th gen style, you'll have to ream out your knuckles to get the joint to fit.
What stumps me is; when I was a young kid (60s) my father and all his friends had various 4×4s all straight axle and none of them had the wobble ever. It seems to have become a thing in the last 30 years or so. The only common denominator I can find is the move away from leaf springs in the front JMO.
I was thinking the same thing I had a 76 Ford f250 on 36-in tall tires never had an issue
I drive a 1984 as well as a 1989 Ford F250 never had any issues with wobbles. What poor engineering in these New overpriced Trucks.
Leaf spring trucks do it too. My 01 Superduty does it.
Best way is to put a front hitch on your truck , makes the frame rails rigid and usefully. Have a winch and snow plow that I use seasonally.
I did this on an 06 2500. Worked like charm .. Also thuren track bar and control arms ...try to run Toyos or nittos. My nittos work great . 55lbs of air .
I have a 06 doing the death wobble and doing the same thing I'm about to give it a go
I just removed mine on my 08 to install a new HD 2010+ steering gear and because the sector shaft is so much larger I need the new "nut". Bought a factory nut to get by for now but Holy crap does it wobble around now! I ordered the new 2010+ kit right away.
Almost purchased until they wanted $40 for shipping wtf
i own a 2006 dodge ram and i installed a steering stabilizer from BD but they pretty much all look the same. Needless to say i still got the wobble, after installing the Kore Recon series lift kit i removed it mainly because with the aluminum sway bar lowering block, i didn't have the correct length bolts. What i noticed was it had to do more with tire wear and balancing than anything at least with my truck. With new tires and alignment i have no issues whatsoever but when tires are at the halfway mark, i gotta watch for those uneven surfaces, bumps or dips.
It’s all part of the system. Everyone wants to say one thing is “the fix” but wheels/tires, shocks/struts, steering dampeners, and upper/lower control arms are all factors. Bottom line, the frame rigidity is the most common issue with big Rams.
Being in 4x4 country, and being an ASE certified master tech. I will offer the following info. (Please note that I became well known as the guy who could actually solve the death wobbles where many others could not!)
Any solid axle front suspension is subject to the "DWs" the reason (Which is primarily a Jeep and Dodge issue. Although my exs Mercedes had a "DW" issue also)
The main culprit is the front axle pinion angle. (Hear me out) As anyone who has lifted a 4x4 can attest to, this can be a real problem. On Dodge/Ram and Jeep 4x4s with solid front axles when the front axle pinion is moved up to correct a lifted suspension angle issue the caster setting for the steering goes out of specification. (As in too much positive caster) A vehicle (particularly one wirh a solid front axle) that is brand new with no front end wear that has too much positive caster can offer up the dreaded "DWs"
Add in "ANY" wear in the steering components tires not perfectly balanced and/or a rough road and there you gave the undesired wobble condition. If you are unsure what a caster setting is, just think of the balljoints as being the hinge on a door ( or in this case the hinge for your wheels to swivel left to right) The caster setting is the angle of the hinge. A positive setting has the top of the balljoint/hinge forward of the lower one. Where a negative setting is just the opposite. The more positive the setting the easier it is to steet and has less control over straight line stability. The opposite is true for a negative setting. So, what to do about this issue? First of all remember that ANY wear or items added or changed in the front axle and steering cam amplify a less than desirable caster setting. Sometimes just front spring sag /frame twist/ axle bend (as in Dodge Diesels) can be an amplifier of the lack of caster settings. Larger wheels (more wheel offset) and tires (more weight to control for the steering and shocks).
So how to take care of the problem? First of all, all steering components have to be in excellent condition. Second of all these issues don't start until there is considerable wear on the balljoints. Front caster and camber is adjuted by either rotating the balljoints or by rotating the sleeve that the balljoints seat into. So the number one thing to be done when replacing a balljoint AND/OR the adjusting sleeve on any lifted or truck that is having an issue is to only purchase one that has the most offset as possible. (1-5 degrees) Select the most offset that is available for your vehicle. In some cases, you can get an offset balljoint AND an adjusting cam with a wide range of adjustment. ( 2 degree offset balljoint and a 3 degree adjustment cam would be great) I always started worh the highest available offsets and only on a couple of occasions did I have ro back down on the cam offset. PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND THE NEXT STATEMENTS!
Remember that not only are you changing caster, you are also changing camber when installing offset balljoints and adjusting cams. Before doing any of this installation make sure that you have a discussion with the person who will be performing the alignment. Make sure that you will be happy to pay as much as double for the alignment for them to take the time to set it to your requirements. If they balk, then they will not take the time to do it correctly. You want factory toe setting "0" camber and as much negative caster as possible. (Remember, most roads have a slight camber off to the right for water drainage, so a factory caster split is still required to keep the vehicle from drifting to the right. (Take note of the driving habits of your vehicle before doing these repairs/modifications. The suspension, tires, and roads in your area may already cause a drift that you may not be aware of.) Any new part that you install on your steering will/may assist in stopping the "deadly" DWs. But after the proper (for a modified truck) But they will stay way (providing no worn parts) with the caster set properly.
Many Jeeps that are lifted with very nice kits with adjustable control arms. You can achieve the same results by adjusting in more negative caster. HOWEVER, pay close attention to your front axle pinion angle! Too much angle and you will be eating and/or breaking front u-joints!
Id like to see that dial indicator shot after the install to be framed exactly how it was on the preinstall. Looks a little sus that the measurement after the install wasnt exacerbated just like the preinstall measurement was.
Wish you would have a video on how to remove it when replacing steering box 🙄
I have an 01 Dodge Ram dully that does that so the problem started before 03
This is why I got a 1990 toyota 2 wheel drive and I live I colorado I have never been stuck and I spend 40 bucks every 2 weeks going to work
This will not fix the death wobble it does stiffen the front end but doesn't do anything for the death wobble
Did not work solve the problem on my 1999 Dodge Ram 1500
Still has the death wobble.
Crawl underneath vehicle, keep eyes on track bar bushings,have someone tur steering a few inches back and forth, if there's slop, that's your problem right there.
Track bar on death wobble is always the culprit
Tires and your track bar are the first things to look at when addressing a death wobble issue, then the list continues from there, worn ball joints, worn steering arm and so on.
This steering brace has nothing to do with the death wobble issue, so be careful of these false claims just to sell you a product. New trucks don't have a steering brace and a new truck does not have death wobble do they, death wobble occurs from worn Factory parts.
Most of the time, the death wobble is caused by worn ends on the track bar. It's an easy fix and the parts are cheap.
Its a poor design that wears fast. Instead of having to rebuild your front end every few years this brace can prevent that
Tried a brace and helped some. Still have death wobble just not as often.
Didn't do much on my 03 I took the brace off now, no difference with it off.
I had it on a 1997 ram 3500 4x4 . Then found out passenger side ball joints were wore out . Maybe that caused it and or made other parts unstable during it . God Bless !!!
I called CjC off rd and they advised, that new trucks do not need this, which is coused by worn parts.
Sorry I am a Dodge ram Mopar I have a 2000 Dodge ram 2500 4 by 4 truck I have been fighting this steering sense and my friends that bought brand new Dodge trucks have not fared any better even with the Dodge Dooley's they cannot tow in a straight line like the Ford f-series super duty can maybe you got to buy a new set of tires every 30,000 miles but it sure seems safer if you can keep it steering straight
No it doesn't cure it. It is more for stopping wander from flex where the box mounts. Even one shock that is jammed can cause it
About to install this on my 03 2500. Does this clear up steering slop/ steering wonder by chance? All of my other front end components are brand new and have just been put on not that long ago. Also I run 12 wide wheels which attributes to the steer wander
I just bought one today. I have a 2nd Gen 5.9 I was hoping this was going to help fix my death wobble but does it even work at all?? I also bought new bushings for the sway bar an a Rough Country steering stabilizer. Anybody know what else I might need to fix this bull shit? The death wobble happens when I hit a bump and just the other day I hit a deer and it made my shit go into a death wobble at like 65 almost lost it. If anyone has any info hml.
Installing this alone may or may not “fix” your issue. You need to go through all of the steering components and correct any other issues. A stabilizer will help improve the life of your gear box and other components along with reduce “bump steer”, but I doubt you’ll notice much difference with the sway bar bushings. Hope this helps
Dik Tat yea I bought it an it fixed my problem thanks!
Look at tire quality. Supposedly better tires help. Caster alignment is important. Ball joints and tie rod ends. Frame hole where sway bar mounts. Last resort is to install a t type tie rod assembly. Synergy makes one and DOR make one ($1000 approximately)
Google advertises this video as a 94-18 fix.
My 99 would sheer lug bolts frame support does not fix death wobble helps but don't fix
So the sway bar does not get replaced
You will never ever have "death wobble" if you keep good tight steering components. I have never seen or had this issue and I've owned many dodge pickups light and heavy duty of all generations.
Yea, really primary use for these is to stop your steering box from flexing the front frame horn and cracking it.
And that also translates to slightly less steering slop
Step 3 and the look on his face had me laughing my ass off!!!!
Before purchase it road fine, suspension was great. Upon purchase of a 2022 ram 2500 diesel. I had them put a 3inch leveling kit in it. It rides really rough now and when we go over a bunch of bumps in a row it death wobbles so bad we have to stop, it starts bouncing off the road or into another lane. Is it worth messing with the leveling kit or is a 4inch lift kit better as I hear a stage 2, 4 lift would solve the problem. Your thoughts
Upgraded the trackbar? Or still stock?
What kind of leveling kit did you use?
@@jonasgussvattnet not sure on brand as the dealership had a company called 4 wheel parts install the 3 inch leveling kit for me. I assume the trackbar was replaced I'll have to look. Going to have a fox steering stabilizer put in it. I hear the stock damper is not strong enough for bigger tires even though mine are only 20inch rims and 32in high rubber
“Heavy duty” Japanese bearing 😂😂😊
Correct. Japan is the leading country in manufacturing high end bearings & HD bearings. Providing / supplying the majority of the world market.
I have a 2017 power wagon and have yet to get this death wobble. Could it be maybe wear and tear causing this? I've went up to 90mph before.
Ya I have a 22 power wagon. If you get death wobble then you absolutely have some worn component in the steering. You can help get rid of some sloppiness with these upgrades but maintenance is key. If you run into this problem I have had better luck with good 4wd shops then most average mechanics.
Will this impact articulation of the front end? I have the sway bar disconnect on my power wagon.
Sadly the steering box stabilizer will not fit on a Power Wagon with the sway bar disconnect. However, in an application it fits, it does not affect articulation!
is there one that will work on my Power Wagon? @@BDDieselPerformance
This stabilizer does not stop death wobble. I know for a fact. Both my dodges have this and the 3rd gen still gets death wobble when parts get worn out. The A.M differential engineers screwed up and got the geometry off some place.
I've got a 2003 2500 cummins six speed 4x4 and I replaced EVERYTHING in the front end, direct from dodge (boxes were moog problem solvers with dodge part numbers). New ball joints, tie rod ends, drag link, steering stabilizer, pitman arm, all four control arms, new bushings (tried both poly and stock) in the track bar, wheel bearings, rotors and calipers/pads, all were the later 2011 parts (somewhat thicker than the originals, PLUS a BD brace with pillow block bearing. The wobble used to start at 24mph. Now it starts at 18mph, all I have to do is bounce off a frost heaved pavement crack with the left front tire and off it goes and I have to do a complete stop to shut it down. Only thing that helped (for a very short time) was pounding ground down washers up into the control arm brackets in the frame and then putting the bolt thru. I do have I think 3 or 4" spacers in front (came with the truck, already installed so it would clear the BFG all terrain tires. I have nothing left to change guys. HELP! Truck is down for a transfer case rebuild due to the vibration destroying the front bearing and front driveshaft U joints (replace with spicer HD Ujoints too, that's done but the xfer case chain is so sloppy it's binding up) Any help or ideas are appreciated. I"m a 61 year old 80% disabled two service vet and I'm about out of money and patience with this thing. Now, the odd thing. WHY did they even USE recirculating ball steering in these? My 3500 cummins six speed 2wd crewcab dually longbed has rack and pinion and rides like a dream. My steering gearbox is looser than my 84 sububurban 2500 diesel's gearbox is (and that is 3/4 steering now). No idea if we can tighten it up or not, but it's been pounded by the vibration. I think the tires are 315/75/17s on the stock aluminum rims (Tire tread remains flat so the rim is wide enough). The only thing we did not do is remove the spacers since I don't have a stock set of tires to fit it. (the fronts will definitely rub without the spacers). Should I go buy a set of stock rims/stock tires and try it and then pull the spacers? I can't see that being the problem at this point but the truck just sits and my old 97 GMC K3500 crew cab 4x4 dually longbed 6.5 diesel is not strong enough to pull my cabin cruiser nor my race car. Thanks again for any assist...
Do u have a fix for a 2019 ford f350. Has death wobble horrible most of new fords do. Started doing it after 15k miles been to shop 3 times. And still does it
Thanks for letting us know! We do not currently have a SBS for 2019 but will post on our facebook and instagram as soon as new products are released. Thanks for expressing your interest!
I did the 4th gen upgrade steering linkage and a steering brace like this one and I STILL have death wobble 😡
OEM steering dampeners are shit. Cheap upgrade to Bilstien 5100s. $200+
Will the 2020 work on a 2021?
What about 2001 2wd?
1994 to present ram trucks
Do you have for 2wd 2018 ram 3500
Do u make one for a 99 f350 4x4?
I cant seem to find one for the 2014 ram 1500 sport. I have 20x12 wheels on 35s and level. Could I use one of these on a 1500?
Hi Dusty, we do not have these for 1500 models
Hey dusty
did you find something for your truck? I have a 2013 with the same size of the wheels and tires and I have not been able to find the solution
You know this is a problem with Dodges throughout the years I can't believe the factory cannot solve it this is a letter reason why people are not buying Dodge trucks they are buying Ford's if Dodge factory engineers can make a bulletproof front end they will have all of the truck market but it seems it is out of their hands and they cannot perform such a task. The Ford trucks front ends are heavy-duty great front ends but they eat tires and the Ford engineers claim that that you cannot get 30,000 miles out of a tire on the front end of a Ford but going back the Dodge you can't keep it in the lanes at 30,000 miles it is no secret Dodge engineers need to come up with a bulletproof front end and they will have a bulletproof truck Dodge is always need to improve on their
Hella overpriced though
The problem is not been solved by no means at all
It is a Chrysler product. What can we expect ...
This is bogus. Selling you something you definitely don't need. It reduces slop in the column, that's all. Swap the y steering for T steering, check tie rods, thank me later
Thanks for your comment, Kevin. This product actually isn't intended to stop play in the column, it's intended to stop the gearbox from flexing on the frame, which is a very common RAM issue.
@@BDDieselPerformance what I am telling you is I own one and it didn't do anything. Personal experience
@@brainswole101 Thanks for your feedback. We typically get good feedback on this product; sorry it didn't work out for you.
Need to do a better job of demonstrating the deflection improvement while it's on the lift. Too much flash and go video.
This death wobble is caused by the nut on the drag links to back off the threads.
Dodge ram steering components are weak I must be phrase what I said earlier the drive gear is bulletproof it's the steering that is weak and always has been this has been an ongoing problem with Dodge ram trucks they say they have the problem solved but they need to stand corrected it is not solved by
lol a normal bd diesel test that's illegitimate test deflection setting still then show in fixed in a moving truck what a sh*t test and if BD cant see why they need to go back to school.
Fummins .
Simple answer
No it does not prevent death wobble
Supreme diesel in sex Smith Alberta has the answer for the death wobble had it on my 04 Dodge installed this bar did nothing for the death wobble after 7gs of front end parts found a guy who is a Dodge Guru he makes a kit for the death wobble had the kit installed never had a wobble again call supreme diesel and say goodbye to the death wobble
Who is the dodge guru and where do i get the part?
@@jjqchomes8443 call supreme diesel in sex smith
I need that for my ford !