I flew a desk for 8 years in the Air Force. And I am highly qualified to pass judgement on what constitutes a great story. Keep it up Ron. You always make my day a little if not a lot brighter.
I joined a few months before 9/11. Deployed twice in my 4 year enlistment and was kinda over it. Realized I could make more as a civilian doing the same thing. I joined because I was obsessed with aviation and it was a peace time military. 3 months later the country was under attack. Crap timing 😂 I really should have stayed in and worked towards a flying career though. Especially seeing the pilot shortage now. Oh well. edit - and I agree, I like listening to these
Got a PC fill-in as an engineer my second month. Had no idea what that was. Capt had less than a year to go. I’m not sure if he knew how many engines a 727 had. We crashed 4 times on the first day. He wore big thick glasses and when we got an engine failure on takeoff, he claimed he couldn’t see because of the glare off the engine fail lights. 2 crashes on that and 2 on LOC approaches; blew right through MDA into the ground. Had the F/O do all the emergencies that involved the shiny switches on my panel. Called my wife that night and said I would probably be fired tomorrow. Day of check he’s doing the same stuff. After about 30 minutes, the examiner stopped the sim, told me and the F/O to go get a cup of coffee and come back in 15 minutes. I don’t know what he told the Captain, but he was a changed man after that and we got through it. Most stressful check ride in my 32 years there.
My Dad worked his way thru naval aviation for 20 years and managed to accumulate 1200 or so hours as a flight engineer in his late career back in the mid/late 50's on their long range patrol craft. Venturas I believe. I was only 5 years old when he retired. Now, he did manage to make it thru college and came out an electrical engineer after the Navy. Since I had really missed all of his Naval flying as a toddler, I never had much appreciation for how his experiences had shaped his perception of the world. Anyhow, as a "surf bum " in California during the 70's I started to recognize the influences Dad had passed on to me. Casual conversations with my cohorts at the beach were frequently punctuated with comments to me such as "how did you come up with that?", "you know, I never thought about that before", "are you serious?", "are you sure thats right??. Well, Dad must have gifted me with some ability to think critically. Watching your videos reminds me of my Dad. I hope you don't run out of stories to tell. And self aggrandizing isn't the same as "engineer speak". Thanks so much for sharing your story and being yourself. 😂
As a kid, the 727 was my favorite. It was like being on an aerial roller coaster. All of the tri-jets were my favorites. The L-1011 really was a luxurious plane. I do remember my dad refusing to book flights on DC-10s, though--probably because of their bad reputation from THY981 and a couple other planes that had serious issues. Southwest was fun when I was a kid because all their pilots apparently thought they were flying fighter jets. Ascending at a 45-degree climb was the coolest thing when you're 10 years old. Impressive for a 737. The DC-9 and the Mad Dogs were a blast if you were seated so you could see the fans spool up on the engines. But the 727? The roller coaster feel, watching those wings fold and unfold, and you could also watch the #1 and #3 engines spool up! Definitely my favorite, and I've loved planes since. Interestingly the 727 makes a cameo in Back To The Future 2 (on the TH-cam version it's at 38:40), and the tail section appears on a Beastie Boys album cover.
Nice memories. Yep - the most important thing in any oral is to get the examiner to talk about themselves as much as possible and then get the first three questions right. I think if I'd been braced in 38 standup with the flap speed question I'd have given an answer in knots and then headed down to the snack bar after they pulled me off the schedule. The FE panel was a great way to get your feet wet in an airline career. A Master rating went to anyone who actually knew how to use the DFW switch (aka Aft Cabin Zone Temp switch) with a Lifetime Achievement Award to anyone who had actually reset an "I" trip. About the only thing I remember is that whenever anything went wrong like a wing falling off, the most important checklist item was for three people to simultaneously yell, "CHECK ESSENTIAL!!!".
I tell my kids "It's not bragging if you're family". I think the same holds true here. Please tell us all the stories, especially when you do things better than anybody else or are proud of your accomplishments. Those are the stories I like to hear.
I enjoyed the 727 checkride stories and it brought back many memories. Didn’t come off boastful, just factual. I flew for one of your competitors, started as a 727 Second Officer for a year then upgraded to 727 First Officer. My new-hire Flight Engineer oral was just over four hours long with a ten minute break in the middle. That was pretty standard. I stumbled on two questions, examiner circled back to them at the end and I straightened out both answers and ultimately gave correct answers. When the oral was over, he said, “well it wasn’t stellar, but it was passing”. I had an urge to jump out of my seat across the table…but instead nodded in approval like a new 2nd Lt. Had the examiner on a jumpseat a year and a half later, clued in the Captain on the oral story and he proceeded to grill the guy and give him grief about the hard core reputation of the 727 Flight Engineer examiners which had some validity. I sat quietly observing this interaction and it gave me a chuckle as I couldn’t resist the schadenfreude watching the examiner tap dance defending himself and his colleagues. Keep the stories coming!
Nice presentations. A lot presentations on crashes to find on de social media, but you are telling stories about the flightdeck or other Nice stories. Thank you for that
That's great Ron! It's a message to the new generation: It helps to know your shit and know much more than the test expects. Never can tell when you're going to need it. For example, land in the Hudson River! I worry about the new generation, who can mark the check boxes, but don't really know the fundamentals. This concern for the new generation applies to pilots, engineers, managers, and others that don't know the basics...
My dad was a UAL FE on the DC-8 and DC-10 in the 70's. I remember all those thick black manuals that dad had to study. You didn't mess with dad around checkride time.
It isn’t self aggrandizing when you put the extra time in and really really know your stuff. Well done. It makes everyone’s job easier as well. The business could use more guys that really know their systems, limitations, and procedures backward and forward. (And sometimes sideways). Lol.
I enjoyed these checkride stories immensely. Thanks for sharing them!!! Would love to hear more airline stories from your time period. Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil.
I used to ask an IFR Supplement question on C-5 Aircraft Commander Checkrides: Where is Atlanta Hartsfield Airport in the IFR Supp? Most would say under the letter A. Some would say under Hartsfield. But the correct answer at the time was under the letter T for “The Atlanta Hartsfield Airport”. Always stumped people on that one.
Great vlog as always! Did you know that Sterling Airways of Denmark, NB had a Heavy adv 727-200? MTOW 94990kg with the same type of engines? It was the same airline that bought 10 of your Caravelles. They only flew for UA for 9yrs but they made huge money for the airline. AA,EA and NW flew the Electra, TW and DL waited for the DC-9. In the spring of 1965 UA signed the largest aircraft order to date with Boeing 25 727s and 50 737-200s Now you know. Me nerd? Neh… lol! Keep up the good work! Here is oral from the PPL back in 1993: can you toss out a banan peel out from aircraft while flying? Yes, as long as you dont hit anyone on the ground.
I have had similar experiences with orals that were shorter than expected, but I never had the guts to tell the check pilot to "ask me something hard"😂
Ron , I was a former UN flight safety officer in CYPRUS and as a native spanish-speaker guy it caught my attention the term "bragging" , so I searched into the google translator and found this phrase : " She interrupted their endless bragging/ Ella interrumpió su interminable fanfarroneria...I beg your pardon but you should keep on bragging sir!
Being in aviation is such a hoot, and we got paid for all of it! As soon as you said "727", it reminded me of a very dear friend and his wife of mine and talks we had back in the early 90s. Bill "Smokey" Callahan, when he flew for American. He broke his own record by nearly 1.5 minutes on a ORD to LRG. And another where he did a perfect parabola takeoff, climb to peak and decent where the math showed it could not have been tighter. I was USAF, and had my own "notable events". But the "shared" journey, traveling on the same highway, but in different lanes, yet we both encountered similar things. (Brothers of different mothers, if you will) We shared our stories and our contributions, different, yet the same. Some people cannot understand the call of the sky. And I imagine, and understand those who hear the call of the sea... If we do not hear the call, we languish and we never know, the richness of the challenge. I am glad I heard the call, and responded...
This was amazing. I’m really glad to see someone able to tell the story of how they loved to do something well. Please continue setting the bar and inspiring us all to do well
Thank you so much for a magical glimpse of a life that I once wanted. In college, I got about five minutes into a recruiter's offer to fly jets before failing the eye exam in an extreme way. So, back to the books. I have an aunt that earned her way through the war as a WASP. I flew just enough hours to satisfy my flying curiosity.
Should be good Ron. I was on the 727 for 14 years. Lots of things happen on check rides. We used to do an engine out ,asymmetric trailing edge flap NDB approach to rwy 3C at DTW at night on some of our checks. Just part of the culture at that time. Cheers!
Funny you used that picture at 2:55. That's Carl. He runs the Aviation Careers Podcast and I think he leads the Polk State Flight Team and is on the training department at JetBlue. I thought you were going to talk about him lol
Hey !!! I remember that Link Trainer at United Training Center . It was 1993 , we stayed at the Red Lion or Cherry Creek Inns. I remember seeing an impressive, huge picture of the 777 cockpit ...and I thought : " Well ...that's a plane you will never fly !" But I was wrong , I retired at age 65 after flying six years all around the big world on shiny , impeccably maintained B 777s . I felt dammed lucky !
Continuing to enjoy your channel. Very interesting and humorous. Training these days seems to be crew based, to include the KV/Oral. Did you ever have the entire crew in the briefing room answering questions or were the FEs always separated from the pilots? The three crew dynamic has interested me from the few stories I've heard from people who flew those airplanes. Pilots ganging up on the FE, young FE and FO making fun of the crusty and irritable capt, etc. Also, you seem to be open to suggestions to various topics. Are you familiar with the DC-8 cargo accident at Detroit many years ago involving the FE flying from the right seat? Something involving his inability to upgrade to the right seat and his terms for continued employment at UAL were to remain as an FE for the remainder of his career. So they decided one night to let him fly and they ended up stalling and crashing, or something to that effect. Many thanks.
Same here…I wanted to do well on my instrument written…I put in the study time…went to a 3 day weekend ground school and did well with my score. Did not want to retake that test. ..Fly Safe
I've just found your channel a couple weeks ago, I really enjoy it. My granddad was a machinist for Western, and my dad was a machinist/A&P mechanic for Continental out of LAX for 30+ years.....I also follow Juan Brown's channel, that I love..... I'm guessing you have crossed paths.
My dad said the check rides just aren’t fun, and get harder and harder because you’ve got more to loose if you fail one. He retired as a DC-8 captain through Flying Tiger Lines/ FedEx.
Once had Stan Eval show-up to give me a no-notice checkride at 4 AM and I looked at him and said "no I don't think so." He looked at me like I was crazy and I said "better ask the AC" to which the AC said "no checkride's on this flight." Wow. Anyway, it was an infrared test flight and he didn't want any distractions.
A long time ago when I was in high school my best friend's dad's best friend was a 727 instructor. He let us fly the AA 727 sim. This was before everything was "digital" and the windshield graphics were limited to and generated by a camera that moved over a model airport in the basement under the sim.
With the airport buildings and dinky toy cars all bashed to crap and fixed with chewing gum and string as if the pilot flew the SIM through the car park\airport buildings the camera do the same thing and would damage the toy cars and architects model in real life as it was a real time operating system using algorithms developed for CNC machining airplane bits from solids :) Jan Smuts South Africa in days of yore.
Had you heard about a 727 sim check and about half way thru after an approach and landing, ok taxi back for take off at max weight (172,000 as I remember). Everybody knows what is coming. Sure enough, right at rotation, S/O calls engine failure. Left aileron, right aileron, right rudder, left rudder, arms and legs every where. Why is this thing flopping like a fish out of water. ( center engine fail, LOL).
I don't know if you had any interaction with the local FAA inspectors as you had company check airman designees. Just wondering if you ever ran across an FAA examiner in Denver by the name of Dick Britner in the 1980's?
I flew a desk for 8 years in the Air Force. And I am highly qualified to pass judgement on what constitutes a great story. Keep it up Ron. You always make my day a little if not a lot brighter.
I joined a few months before 9/11. Deployed twice in my 4 year enlistment and was kinda over it. Realized I could make more as a civilian doing the same thing. I joined because I was obsessed with aviation and it was a peace time military. 3 months later the country was under attack. Crap timing 😂 I really should have stayed in and worked towards a flying career though. Especially seeing the pilot shortage now. Oh well.
edit - and I agree, I like listening to these
Excellent story. No self-aggrandizing or bragging, just the facts.
You're an enjoyable and informative story teller. Thank you
Got a PC fill-in as an engineer my second month. Had no idea what that was. Capt had less than a year to go. I’m not sure if he knew how many engines a 727 had. We crashed 4 times on the first day. He wore big thick glasses and when we got an engine failure on takeoff, he claimed he couldn’t see because of the glare off the engine fail lights. 2 crashes on that and 2 on LOC approaches; blew right through MDA into the ground. Had the F/O do all the emergencies that involved the shiny switches on my panel. Called my wife that night and said I would probably be fired tomorrow. Day of check he’s doing the same stuff. After about 30 minutes, the examiner stopped the sim, told me and the F/O to go get a cup of coffee and come back in 15 minutes. I don’t know what he told the Captain, but he was a changed man after that and we got through it. Most stressful check ride in my 32 years there.
Another good yarn, Capt. Rogers. Don't worry - your presentation has no hint of pride and your stories are always enjoyable. Thanks.
Many thanks!
My Dad worked his way thru naval aviation for 20 years and managed to accumulate 1200 or so hours as a flight engineer in his late career back in the mid/late 50's on their long range patrol craft. Venturas I believe. I was only 5 years old when he retired. Now, he did manage to make it thru college and came out an electrical engineer after the Navy. Since I had really missed all of his Naval flying as a toddler, I never had much appreciation for how his experiences had shaped his perception of the world. Anyhow, as a "surf bum " in California during the 70's I started to recognize the influences Dad had passed on to me. Casual conversations with my cohorts at the beach were frequently punctuated with comments to me such as "how did you come up with that?", "you know, I never thought about that before", "are you serious?", "are you sure thats right??. Well, Dad must have gifted me with some ability to think critically. Watching your videos reminds me of my Dad. I hope you don't run out of stories to tell. And self aggrandizing isn't the same as "engineer speak". Thanks so much for sharing your story and being yourself. 😂
Well said.
As a kid, the 727 was my favorite. It was like being on an aerial roller coaster. All of the tri-jets were my favorites. The L-1011 really was a luxurious plane. I do remember my dad refusing to book flights on DC-10s, though--probably because of their bad reputation from THY981 and a couple other planes that had serious issues. Southwest was fun when I was a kid because all their pilots apparently thought they were flying fighter jets. Ascending at a 45-degree climb was the coolest thing when you're 10 years old. Impressive for a 737. The DC-9 and the Mad Dogs were a blast if you were seated so you could see the fans spool up on the engines. But the 727? The roller coaster feel, watching those wings fold and unfold, and you could also watch the #1 and #3 engines spool up! Definitely my favorite, and I've loved planes since. Interestingly the 727 makes a cameo in Back To The Future 2 (on the TH-cam version it's at 38:40), and the tail section appears on a Beastie Boys album cover.
Very cute & funny! Add more stories, please.
Thank you! Will do!
Great story and entertaining as well ....and I agree with the other commenters below...Thanks for sharing Captain!
Thanks for watching
Nice memories. Yep - the most important thing in any oral is to get the examiner to talk about themselves as much as possible and then get the first three questions right.
I think if I'd been braced in 38 standup with the flap speed question I'd have given an answer in knots and then headed down to the snack bar after they pulled me off the schedule.
The FE panel was a great way to get your feet wet in an airline career. A Master rating went to anyone who actually knew how to use the DFW switch (aka Aft Cabin Zone Temp switch) with a Lifetime Achievement Award to anyone who had actually reset an "I" trip. About the only thing I remember is that whenever anything went wrong like a wing falling off, the most important checklist item was for three people to simultaneously yell, "CHECK ESSENTIAL!!!".
I tell my kids "It's not bragging if you're family". I think the same holds true here. Please tell us all the stories, especially when you do things better than anybody else or are proud of your accomplishments. Those are the stories I like to hear.
Thanks so much for your stories.
Glad you like them!
I enjoyed the 727 checkride stories and it brought back many memories. Didn’t come off boastful, just factual. I flew for one of your competitors, started as a 727 Second Officer for a year then upgraded to 727 First Officer. My new-hire Flight Engineer oral was just over four hours long with a ten minute break in the middle. That was pretty standard. I stumbled on two questions, examiner circled back to them at the end and I straightened out both answers and ultimately gave correct answers. When the oral was over, he said, “well it wasn’t stellar, but it was passing”. I had an urge to jump out of my seat across the table…but instead nodded in approval like a new 2nd Lt. Had the examiner on a jumpseat a year and a half later, clued in the Captain on the oral story and he proceeded to grill the guy and give him grief about the hard core reputation of the 727 Flight Engineer examiners which had some validity. I sat quietly observing this interaction and it gave me a chuckle as I couldn’t resist the schadenfreude watching the examiner tap dance defending himself and his colleagues. Keep the stories coming!
Wow, nice info towards the end! I always like knowing a little bit more than what FCOMs have.
Glad you enjoyed!
I have recurrent on the A-320/321 coming up in a couple of months.
Nice presentations. A lot presentations on crashes to find on de social media, but you are telling stories about the flightdeck or other Nice stories. Thank you for that
That's great Ron! It's a message to the new generation: It helps to know your shit and know much more than the test expects. Never can tell when you're going to need it. For example, land in the Hudson River! I worry about the new generation, who can mark the check boxes, but don't really know the fundamentals. This concern for the new generation applies to pilots, engineers, managers, and others that don't know the basics...
"Start the APU!" even though it was way down the checklist, happened first. Knew his stuff.
Awesome!
Keep 'em coming!!!
Will do!!
My dad was a UAL FE on the DC-8 and DC-10 in the 70's. I remember all those thick black manuals that dad had to study. You didn't mess with dad around checkride time.
It isn’t self aggrandizing when you put the extra time in and really really know your stuff. Well done. It makes everyone’s job easier as well. The business could use more guys that really know their systems, limitations, and procedures backward and forward. (And sometimes sideways). Lol.
I enjoyed these checkride stories immensely. Thanks for sharing them!!! Would love to hear more airline stories from your time period. Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil.
I used to ask an IFR Supplement question on C-5 Aircraft Commander Checkrides: Where is Atlanta Hartsfield Airport in the IFR Supp? Most would say under the letter A. Some would say under Hartsfield. But the correct answer at the time was under the letter T for “The Atlanta Hartsfield Airport”. Always stumped people on that one.
Great vlog as always! Did you know that Sterling Airways of Denmark, NB had a Heavy adv 727-200? MTOW 94990kg with the same type of engines? It was the same airline that bought 10 of your Caravelles. They only flew for UA for 9yrs but they made huge money for the airline. AA,EA and NW flew the Electra, TW and DL waited for the DC-9. In the spring of 1965 UA signed the largest aircraft order to date with Boeing 25 727s and 50 737-200s Now you know. Me nerd? Neh… lol! Keep up the good work! Here is oral from the PPL back in 1993: can you toss out a banan peel out from aircraft while flying? Yes, as long as you dont hit anyone on the ground.
Part 105
I have had similar experiences with orals that were shorter than expected, but I never had the guts to tell the check pilot to "ask me something hard"😂
"No self-aggrandizing or bragging" Are you sure you were a Captain?! 😱🤪
Ron , I was a former UN flight safety officer in CYPRUS and as a native spanish-speaker guy it caught my attention the term "bragging" , so I searched into the google translator and found this phrase : " She interrupted their endless bragging/
Ella interrumpió su interminable fanfarroneria...I beg your pardon but you should keep on bragging sir!
Being in aviation is such a hoot, and we got paid for all of it!
As soon as you said "727", it reminded me of a very dear friend and his wife of mine and talks we had back in the early 90s.
Bill "Smokey" Callahan, when he flew for American. He broke his own record by nearly 1.5 minutes on a ORD to LRG.
And another where he did a perfect parabola takeoff, climb to peak and decent where the math showed it could not have been tighter.
I was USAF, and had my own "notable events". But the "shared" journey, traveling on the same highway, but in different lanes, yet we both encountered similar things.
(Brothers of different mothers, if you will)
We shared our stories and our contributions, different, yet the same.
Some people cannot understand the call of the sky.
And I imagine, and understand those who hear the call of the sea...
If we do not hear the call, we languish and we never know, the richness of the challenge.
I am glad I heard the call, and responded...
Absolutely LOVE it!! Checkrides!! 3 checkrides a year for me. Thanks so much for sharing!
Yea, Buddy!
Wow, looks like you were right.
This was amazing. I’m really glad to see someone able to tell the story of how they loved to do something well. Please continue setting the bar and inspiring us all to do well
Thank you so much for a magical glimpse of a life that I once wanted. In college, I got about five minutes into a recruiter's offer to fly jets before failing the eye exam in an extreme way. So, back to the books. I have an aunt that earned her way through the war as a WASP. I flew just enough hours to satisfy my flying curiosity.
all I could think about on the 727 panel ---'CHECK ESSENTIAL!'
Should be good Ron. I was on the 727 for 14 years. Lots of things happen on check rides. We used to do an engine out ,asymmetric trailing edge flap NDB approach to rwy 3C at DTW at night on some of our checks. Just part of the culture at that time. Cheers!
Keep 'em coming Ron, they are great stories!!
Glad you like them!
I think the crews here in Australia have the pa volume on 1 all the time. I can never hear what they say.
Funny you used that picture at 2:55. That's Carl. He runs the Aviation Careers Podcast and I think he leads the Polk State Flight Team and is on the training department at JetBlue. I thought you were going to talk about him lol
Hey !!!
I remember that Link Trainer at United Training Center .
It was 1993 , we stayed at the Red Lion or Cherry Creek Inns.
I remember seeing an impressive, huge picture of the 777 cockpit ...and I thought : " Well ...that's a plane you will never fly !"
But I was wrong , I retired at age 65 after flying six years all around the big world on shiny , impeccably maintained B 777s .
I felt dammed lucky !
You are an amazing storyteller! Thank you for sharing.
You are so welcome!
Continuing to enjoy your channel. Very interesting and humorous. Training these days seems to be crew based, to include the KV/Oral. Did you ever have the entire crew in the briefing room answering questions or were the FEs always separated from the pilots? The three crew dynamic has interested me from the few stories I've heard from people who flew those airplanes. Pilots ganging up on the FE, young FE and FO making fun of the crusty and irritable capt, etc. Also, you seem to be open to suggestions to various topics. Are you familiar with the DC-8 cargo accident at Detroit many years ago involving the FE flying from the right seat? Something involving his inability to upgrade to the right seat and his terms for continued employment at UAL were to remain as an FE for the remainder of his career. So they decided one night to let him fly and they ended up stalling and crashing, or something to that effect. Many thanks.
It’s amazing seeing images of the TK in your video. I’m in the middle of 737 sims myself watching your video in the same building.
Very enjoyable, more please.
I could listen to you all day Ron this story made me chuckle thank you sir for sharing.
Thanks for listening
Same here…I wanted to do well on my instrument written…I put in the study time…went to a 3 day weekend ground school and did well with my score. Did not want to retake that test. ..Fly Safe
I've just found your channel a couple weeks ago, I really enjoy it. My granddad was a machinist for Western, and my dad was a machinist/A&P mechanic for Continental out of LAX for 30+ years.....I also follow Juan Brown's channel, that I love..... I'm guessing you have crossed paths.
Welcome aboard! Not familiar with Juan. Will have to check that out.
If the examiner asks you what time it is, don't build him a clock.
My dad said the check rides just aren’t fun, and get harder and harder because you’ve got more to loose if you fail one. He retired as a DC-8 captain through Flying Tiger Lines/ FedEx.
Love the stories Ron..thank you!
Glad you like them!
Great stories
Thanks for listening
Once had Stan Eval show-up to give me a no-notice checkride at 4 AM and I looked at him and said "no I don't think so." He looked at me like I was crazy and I said "better ask the AC" to which the AC said "no checkride's on this flight." Wow. Anyway, it was an infrared test flight and he didn't want any distractions.
It ain't bragging if it's true. Keep the stories coming!
I enjoy your stuff. Thanks
A long time ago when I was in high school my best friend's dad's best friend was a 727 instructor. He let us fly the AA 727 sim. This was before everything was "digital" and the windshield graphics were limited to and generated by a camera that moved over a model airport in the basement under the sim.
With the airport buildings and dinky toy cars all bashed to crap and fixed with chewing gum and string as if the pilot flew the SIM through the car park\airport buildings the camera do the same thing and would damage the toy cars and architects model in real life as it was a real time operating system using algorithms developed for CNC machining airplane bits from solids :)
Jan Smuts South Africa in days of yore.
Love these!
They need to pay you BIG BUCKS as an occasional consultant.
Had you heard about a 727 sim check and about half way thru after an approach and landing, ok taxi back for take off at max weight (172,000 as I remember). Everybody knows what is coming. Sure enough, right at rotation, S/O calls engine failure. Left aileron, right aileron, right rudder, left rudder, arms and legs every where. Why is this thing flopping like a fish out of water. ( center engine fail, LOL).
Yes! I heard of that play!
can you follow this up with a video about your 727 checkrides from the future? 😉
🤣🤣🤣
I don't know if you had any interaction with the local FAA inspectors as you had company check airman designees. Just wondering if you ever ran across an FAA examiner in Denver by the name of Dick Britner in the 1980's?
Sorry no
@@ronrogers that is ok and you are better for not crossing paths......another story for another day.
how bout an ORD based Capt that was the dad of a friend...Ed Cook? Gregarious guy, bald headed ...moustache...
I laughed.
Were you hard on copilots?...LOL