A few people asking for the weight specs - so here are Triumph's quoted wet weights (in running order, 90% fuel): GT - 240kg GT Pro - 245kg GT Explorer - 255kg Rally Pro - 249kg Rally Explorer - 261kg
Great review. It’s a big bike and it would be useful to know the comparison of weight against the equivalent GS. I don’t quite understand the advantages over the 900’s but I’ll go and have a look at the dealer in the Spring. Thanks again. Yours aye, Alan
I don’t get it. Why is there this obsession with weight? I bought my original Tiger 1200 because of the build quality and over engineering, but this has made unacceptable compriomises to save weight. You would really accept the loss of a single sided swing arm to save 1.5Kg?! Have we become whimps?
As a GS 1200 rider, I realy like this Triumph. . Love all bike's ... it is al about the riding . Be safe, live up. Great review and greatings from Belgium.
*Fingers crossed* I hope they decide to bring that dash to the 900 screen via an update. The tachometer on any of the dash layouts on my 900 is terrible.
I can only imagine what Triumph & its line of dealers would charge to upgrade the 900's screen. Bring your banks loan officer to the service department. Fix the Triumph App as well. What a waste of technology.
I like the tiny things,mistakes and whatnot,that get left in the video. It’s very low key and subtle,but it shows us the man behind the mike! There’s not a big deal made about it,no exaggerated flubs or blooper reels,no overt attempt to draw attention to the speaker;it’s just very well done. 👍
Like the styling and weight reduction, don't like the seat height especially for the GT (road) versions. The 20L fuel tank is to small for this size of bike , to get the 30L fuel tank requires that you get the higher priced Explorer model. Loaded with lots of options, the blind spot monitoring is a great safety feature. Triumph has certainly targeted the BMW GS1250, I will wait until I read the full reviews of the Tiger 1200 bike to see how it compares with the BMW GS1250. It will be interesting to see if this bike is still top heavy and, how well the engine dissipates the heat. A good looking and well equipped bike however I expect a fully optioned Tiger 1200 will quickly get expensive.
The better comparison would be to wait until the M1300GS comes out next year. It's going to be lighter and more compact than the 1250 and will likely have blind spot radar, like the Rally Explorer. Head's up on the quick shifter on the new Triumph Explorers, some owners have been reporting issues with them. I've also heard about Triumph parts delays due to Covid. Check me on all that, though.
I love the direction Triumph have taken with their new line-up, but I still have one problem - the price. I am an ADV Dad, but my riding style and budget is more ADV Lad . . .😥
I'm with you. I opted for the Tiger Sport. Love it. It's a lower price and doesn't have all the included accessories of hte higher priced bikes, but you can acquire those accessories as time/budget progresses.
I think Triumph done a great job offering more bikes to give more options to rider's on which suits them best. Bringing a T Plane Crank to the Tiger 1200 is a huge plus, bringing better torque, better HP and better soundtrack. A weight loss is a bonus too, I'm sure it will give more ease to the rider, a new silencer is a brilliant move too. In terms of tech, I appreciate how much they put a lot of effort in more rider modes. I do hope they did right on the suspension to provide a better comfort. I like the price though. I'm looking forward on your full review!
The t-plane crank is a backward step on what should be a smooth triple throughout the range and the bikes front suspensions is poor compared with the GS. The vibes on the Triumph are noticeable as it its weight on the road. Maybe poor insulation as well because there can be a lot of heat coming from between seat and tank. If you have owned a GS or like the brand then the Triumph is no challanger.
Great looking & very interesting new Tigers 1200; congrats Triumph. But, seats heights are so high… even in lower positions. I prefer the more accessible seats heights of the fantastic Tigers 900.
I get the comparison with the GS, like SUV’s their popularity is unrivaled. BUT I find the tiger 1200 to be just unique enough to be on its own if that makes sense. That’s a compliment. Now what I really like is that they offer two types of bikes. Like an SUV most people do not go off-road.
I think the regular triple makes perfect sense this T plane overlaps more and then has a huge gap wile nothing happens. And the old one just fires in a nice 123. T plane fires all in a weird order.
I'd definitely consider changing my GSA for the Explorer! Looks mega! I'm also a big fan of any tech that aids in rider safety. I think everyone is guilty of forgetting to blind spot check from time to time, so the little light to remind you is welcome.
@@craigfinnegan8534 Wel l wen that on come it is so overpriced that Tiumph is cheap, also the speare parts to BMW is insane expensive so go for Triumph.
This bike's features definitely dive straight into the deep end of the adventure segment where the there's only two reigning Champs the GS and the SAS. Where I feel the Tiger is yet to catch up is with the suspension. There's nothing to match Telelever and Anti dive suspension on the competition, where all riding dynamics boil down to.
It’s not the seat high what makes it comfortable for tall ones like you! It’s the distance between the seat and the footrest and where they horizontally are located. And not less important is the cushion of the seat and how much you sink into it.
@@marcelhunziker9017 good points. For sure agreed, Especially what you say about the knee angle/seat distance to footrest. Very important for comfort. But as a big dude it does feel nice to sit high on the bike, stretch your legs, feet on the tarmac.
You always seem to get your videos out before the other TH-camrs that I watch. Well done. I love the look of the new Tiger 1200. When I replace my GS, this bike and the Tiger 900 will be strong contenders.
Brilliant move with the blind spot detection. Have this on my Multi and it is one of the best new bits of tech. Also brilliant move on skipping the adaptive cruise and staying with normal cruise, once again have this on my Multi and hate it, just want it off.
I really wanted to like this, and was pleased to see a more road focused GT version. Styling Still too adventure focused for me. Was hoping for something styled more like the Tiger 660 or a Tiger Sport, but with shaft drive. I’d be much happier with 17” wheels. Will stick with my Tiger Sport for now, might be tempted by the Moto Guzzi V100!
Funny I was kind of leaning that way too, but luckily I also have a Speed Triple, so exchanging my Tiger 1050 for one of these has me very intrigued since it will open up much more area around me to ride. Still love my Tiger and even with her pushing 15 years old, people still come up and ask me about it all the time (this Sunday, when she was parked with more current BMWs, people still came up and wanted to know more about the Tiger than the BMWs).
If the roads in the UK and US are anything like the roads here in Australia, particularly what you might call the 'B roads', then you'll be moving to an ADV before too long !
The only thing I would be concerned with bikes that are this close in almost everything is resell value. I also wish triumph made a sport tourer that competes with the Super Duke GT
Looks great, but for me the most important thing is where the balance is on the bike, the other Tigers have been top heavy, the GS, has a lovely low down balance, or centre of gravity.
It looks like they copied the Harley Pan America with the elongated headlight. At least it's not a copy of the horrendous trend of tiny round headlights started by Yamaha now being copied by Suzuki.
It’s a really beautiful bike. I’m sure it compares favourably with the GS but the GS doesn’t dive under heavy breaking. I’m wondering if the triumph still does given that the forks haven’t really changed from the previous model?
My personal opinion is that diving under hard braking is not a problem at all. Practically every bike in the world has this movement and it doesn't make them any less stable and it definitely doesn't bother me. Also, I heard from a salesman at the BMW dealership that the next GS model will no longer have the same current system, it will use the universal system, at least on the front.
Looks very interesting bike, but I don’t believe Triumph on their reasoning for not fitting Adaptive Cruise Control! Having ridden both KTM1290 and BMW1250 RT with ACC, I have found it a revelation, no doubt the next gen BMW GS will almost certainly have it (as well as the on screen mapping as the RT). So the new Triumph Tiger 1200 main competitors, Ducati, BMW, KTM will all have ACC fitted!
I agree. Riding with ACC (test ridden the V4 Multistrada) is a genuine epiphany. Not having it on at least one of these models is a big mistake. If BMW offer it on GS some time in the near future they'll take customers from Triumph.
There is no need on a motorcycle for adaptive cruise control. You should be focused on your riding by looking forward and adapting your distance and speed. Why not have DCT and just sit there trying to look cool, if that's not good enough just sit at home and use virtual reality headset.
10:50 The split radiator design has the units pitched and angled inward meaning your radar cross section is minimized... yes yes. Id love to test this. If done right you can reduce your lock to just 50m compared to 150. Dont ask how I know that.
I have the 2012 explorer with a very low seat as I'm only 5'7 so I absolutely love this new version. As long as they do a lower seat I can change to like my bike now then I would definitely consider upgrading.
Great information, thanks. The GT Explorer is definitely a bike that ticks all my boxes - like a GSA without all the off-road gubbins that I would never use. Definitely one to try when it comes time to swap my 1250GS next summer. Particularly like the blind spot radar.
@@Honda_Africa_Twin Agree with you that it is useful and that he probably was referring to the idea of having it, but still.. it is ugly af. Bike is cool, but that detail..
@@richardd9976 In general, yes, but at that steep price point, the execution is something to consider. Ducati Multistrada V4's radar is way better implemented. I am just saying that. If it tickets all your boxes, go ahead and enjoy it.
Interested from the spec to have a go when I’m ready to replace the 1250gs I have now. Questions will be for me are, how does the engine feel by comparison on the road to the gs. The gs has huge stomp at low rpm which for the road riding at legal speeds is just how I like it and the other point is the front end, I love the front end lack of dive and planted feel the BMW gives, will the Triumph get close... not sure, outside of that and possibly C of G then it’s a strong contender on paper alright. Given it’s around 3 years newer than the GS there shouldn’t be any reason to not at least match the Beemer as Triumph have had plenty of benchmarking and development time.
I think it won't have the stomp down low but it'll be more characterful and exciting. Modern Triumphs steer really sweetly so I expect it to feel better (but it'll have some dive).
Is no one gonna talk about the vibes from the T plane? Granted on trails it may not be a problem but on road I found it to be an issue with the 900. I am assuming it'll be the same with this 1200 series unless Triumph somehow radically able to eliminate the T plane vibes. One of the important aspects I look for in a touring bike is that it has no annoying vibes. I can't stand the vibes for 8-12 hours of riding with vibes.
Well you can’t really comment on whether it vibes or not until you’ve actually ridden it, so I held off. I’ve talked about it plenty on the tiger 900 and asked triumph about whether they’d made changes for 1200. They say it’s evolved but I’ll find out more on the press ride…
@@motobob True. My comment is based on my experience with their T plane on the 900. Hopefully they have found a way to cancel those vibes. Looking at the way the T plane works I couldn't think of a way how they would remove those vibes but then again I am not an engine builder and I do sincerely hope they found a way. Cause that was the main reason why I didn't consider the Tiger 900. I loved how smooth the 800 was but that was missing that critical low end power. I am now hoping that Triumph would bring out the Tiger 660 Rally version with the regular 1-2-3 firing order.
Funny how the vibes on the Tiger 900 polarise opinion. Some find them unbearable. Others (including me), don't find them that intrusive. Yes, the motor is a little "gruff", but it's been done for a valid reason. It'll be interesting to see how I get on with it when touring day after day next year.
Nice to see that Triumph did the same radiator split they did on the Tiger 900. That change in the 900 really changed the bike by getting rid of the very top heavy feeling that the 800 had. The previous Tiger 1200 was also the VERY top heavy, making low speed handling tricky, so IMO this is going to be the biggest change in the handling of the new model. Then again, I guess it’s going to feel quite top heavy again if you have the 30 L version with a full tank. 600 km fuel range though - wow!!
As an owner of the current Tiger 1200 very excited about the new model. Massively impressed on a recent test ride on the KTM SAS but will hold fire until I get to ride this. It’s going to be long winter.
Another great video. 👍 my first thought was, they've done such a great job with the 900, they've almost created their own competition! One of the big features of the GS is the anti dive so it'll be interesting to see how they compare. 🤞 Keep up the great work 👍
Thanks for a superb, professional, informed and very well thought-out and organised presentation, giving me all the info I could possibly need on the new Tiger. Credit too for the graphics explaining the altered power pulse characteristics of the T-plane crank. Looks like Triumph have responded to each and every shortcoming mentioned on previous T12s, and they deserve to do well with the new Gen 4. I'll hang onto my Gen 3 1200 XRx for a while, but the new GT Pro is now firmly on the shopping list.
Nice chatting with you on the Triumph stand earlier. Interesting that Triumph had a lot more of the 1200's on display than the Tiger 660 Sport.... I think we can see that they are going all out after this sector. Very nice looking bike in the flesh.
At least on paper the almost perfect bike. The only thing, that I'm missing on the top line-ups is a more future-proof connectivity system. For example, the Honda AT has carplay. Sounds minor, but more then often says the extra navi and ensures you having a usable connectivity for years to come. Sadly, Honda doesn't do shaft drives on the AT. At least not yet .... Especially sad as one can see how bad the app from Triumph seem to be doing, given it's bad reviews.
Wife would kill me if we traded. Passenger seat looks less accomodating to be honest. The Tiger 1200 Alpine I have is a fantastic two up bike. Yep a bit heavy on the top, but being 6'2 its not an issue for me luckily. The switch to manual windscreen is good imo, less fiddling with the menu selections
The torque specs online show 167.3 lb/ft in the engine overview and 176.3 lb/ft on the Specification tab. Seems high unless it should be Nm units. Impressed by the weight loss.
I did the marketing day for this bike. They looked great on paper and equally look great in the flesh. Price wise yes it’s cheaper than a gs but is it as good. I brought my top of the range gsa at a heavily discounted price with full luggage. Great looking bike and I look forward to maybe trying one.
Great summary thanks. Good news that we can get the seat lower than 850. Would have liked to see 17” wheels for a full choice road tyres, but maybe the choice will be good enough with 18/19”. I’ll be buying in the spring and this is very high on the shortlist, hope the dealers get demonstrators in soon.
A brilliant report far more interesting and full of facts than the Triumph launch video. These four models all look really great and such a big improvement on the old ones. Looking forward to your ride report. Many thanks.
Hats down to Triumph. It is clearly newer, smarter, and better in every aspect compared to the old tigers. However, the looks will need to grow on people. The old tigers had a rugged look to them, these feel more...dull, maybe less serious, less commanding with tiny windscreen, an unsure beak, a non-serious-looking headlight, and a rather plain rear light...I'm not so sure. Looks as always are subjective, and first impressions can turn into something different over time.
Seems to offer largely what my 2016 Multistrada Enduro offered 5 years ago. Hopefully the additional weight savings and some of the niceties will bring something enticing …
@@motobob I tend to like your reviews, but your header was GS Killer? well what are your thoughts? you eulogised over the GS recently, which would you choose??
I’m going to see the new 1200 tomorrow at an open day (I currently ride an 800 XC). I thought I’d look for a review before going and came across this…….Great review. You have a new sub!
I've just bought one and it'll join my Quad Black R1250GSA in the barn. We'll be ADVENTURISING it for sure and I'll let you know if I prefer it to my GS.
Looks great with the same design language as the 900. Please tell me those Yamahas nostrils aren’t on the top of the tiger tank are they? Headlight looks descent without making the front look like a demonic bird. Please also tell me you can change the air filters without pulling off the tank. That’s a show stopper for me. Not that I’m interested in doing jumps etc, But would be interested to see how they handle on some trails- ie top heavy. I’m a triumph guy (tiger 1050) but if the price is close to BMW, I feel I must change allegiances. Cost is a factor.
I thought that the rule of the Multisrada V4S as my top dream bike is pretty much unshakable, and this happened. That 30 liters of fuel on the GT Explorer would be very much tempting. One thing would make it an even more tempting option for me, is the spoked wheels for the GT Explorer. A perfect compromise between road and light off-road usage, because the Rally Explorer would be way too focused on off-road riding for me. Alloy wheels can do it too, but I would be feeling a bit more secure with spokes. In any case, I love the blue GT Explorer, bloody good job Triumph
it'll be interesting to see the first direct riding comparisons between the GS and the GT Pro. I'll be in the market in the spring as selling my Blade due to old age and a dodgy back 🙂. So for me more power is a factor as is less weight. This is why I've never considered the previous versions of the big Tiger as they've always weighed a ton. This new one seems to tick a lot of boxes though a wider 170 back tyre would have improved the looks. I'd like to buy British but ultimately it'll come down to how the two bikes compare. Tested a GS and it is lovely and plush and great fun on the twisties - but slow when used to Tap sports bikes. Looking forward to testing the Tiger. Fingers crossed.
No doubt a great looking bike with great performance specs, however a couple of things will tip the scales towards the GS, one being the better torque at the lower rev spectrum, and the other the shear flick-ability of the GS due to its lower C of G. Not to mention that wiz wheel and TFT, plus the bmw unparalleled fit and finish. I am eagerly awaiting the new 1300 GS M tbh, which I think will blow our socks off! A great effort by Triumph nevertheless, I do believe it will be a winner......... But a GS killer? Naaah not really!!
As a ex-owner of GS1200 and current owner of S1000XR I have a strong feelings about "bmw unparalleled fit and finish". Especially XR is average at best. I did 50k on it and everything is squicking and vibrating, especially behind the dash. Plastics looks very "used". I also have Speed Triple R on which I did similar milage and it looks and feels brand new compared to XR. I will not buy another BMW. GS was OK, but XR is a total quality mistake. 4/10.
This is very intriguing from Triumph, I actually think it looks a nice bike and with all the stats looking favourably, more torque/better hp/weight loss/cornering headlight & daytime running light/easy function screen whilst riding/split radiator/better weight balance etc etc. Its got my interest for sure, I have the GS TE currently just ridden the GS Rallye around the Spanish mountain on & off road (dazmatronmotorcycletrips). This Triumph Tiger definitely now going into the ring with the top selling bench mark tourer & its British! So I'll be getting a test ride ASAP!! Thanks for the vid....
Can’t wait to see one at the motorcycle show tomorrow…I have been waiting for this to be announced before deciding to buy a Tiger 900 or this one….have to book some test rides me thinks….
I like everything I see apart from the high exhaust. pain in the ass for soft luggage. weight saving is amazing tho. design, meh, it's alright, previous one was better looking. shame about losing the electronic windscreen. how the wind protection is at cruising speeds will determine if I go for it.
Just bought my 2021 1250GSA in September but I would have given the Tiger Explorer a hard look with the specs you showed. Great video! Blind spot monitoring would be fantastic. I’m not a fan of the radar cruise control, I have it on my 2021 Toyota 4Runner.
I've got a 2020 Triumph Tiger 1200 Desert Edition. I love the bike, it is superb. I'd be tempted to trade it in for new 1200 Rally pro - but for the colour schemes. The day Triumph see sense and come up with a black frame (or the day I feel I can justify buying a new bike and having the frame powder coated satin black), I'll be in like Flynn.
Triumph seems to be the new Honda. Innovation, quality, awesome looking bikes, effective marketing etc. makes them a serious contender. This all-new Explorer will give the competition a serious headache. On the other hand, being a true triple fan I just do not buy into the new T-plane crank trend...
I was going to buy a GS in 22. But i like the spec of the Tiger and take for a spin once it is available. What is the reliability track record of Tigers?
Sounds fabulous, but the GT *starts* at USD19K! And then, $2K jumps for each next model. Getting a nosebleed just thinking about it... Too many incredible rigs in that price range. Maybe a used one in a few years. Then again, maybe not.
This is all very nice but Triumph are missing a point here in the market. They have not replaced the popular 1050 Tiger sport. The 660 Tiger sport looks the part and will undoubtedly perform really well but Triumph should have released a bigger version with 17" wheels. With styling similar to the smaller bike it would have been a big hit from Triumph. Oh well maybe next year.
You cannot mix water and oil - those bikes are similar and may have the same purpose but I suppose brands already established their customers. Those few that are looking for a perfect bike will not be bothered with branding but will look after fit for purpose machine. Others will do the test rides, say what they're thinking and those who can afford those bikes will get the one closer to their hearts. Triumph did a good job I believe!
A few people asking for the weight specs - so here are Triumph's quoted wet weights (in running order, 90% fuel):
GT - 240kg
GT Pro - 245kg
GT Explorer - 255kg
Rally Pro - 249kg
Rally Explorer - 261kg
My 2007 1200GS weighs 225 kg. There's progression for you.
are the cases included in the posted weight?
Great review. It’s a big bike and it would be useful to know the comparison of weight against the equivalent GS. I don’t quite understand the advantages over the 900’s but I’ll go and have a look at the dealer in the Spring. Thanks again. Yours aye, Alan
I don’t get it. Why is there this obsession with weight?
I bought my original Tiger 1200 because of the build quality and over engineering, but this has made unacceptable compriomises to save weight.
You would really accept the loss of a single sided swing arm to save 1.5Kg?! Have we become whimps?
@@gpw203 because they would ask 50k for such features.
As a GS 1200 rider, I realy like this Triumph. . Love all bike's ... it is al about the riding . Be safe, live up. Great review and greatings from Belgium.
Well you guys have THE BEST BEER! Cheers from Australia
*Fingers crossed* I hope they decide to bring that dash to the 900 screen via an update. The tachometer on any of the dash layouts on my 900 is terrible.
That's one of the reasons I watched the video. The 900 dash needs to be updated to this one.
this dash is absolutly how a dash should be and 900 dash just opposite
I can only imagine what Triumph & its line of dealers would charge to upgrade the 900's screen. Bring your banks loan officer to the service department. Fix the Triumph App as well. What a waste of technology.
Pulled the trigger! GT Explorer variant in black added to the stable.
Interested in riding one of of these - shame they don't do that Green and white in the GT flavour.....
Ooooh.... Flyer may have had a new big bike .... Hopefully the other colors grow on you
You mean rally Mr Flyer the GT is the Road version and doesn’t come in that colour scheme.
Agree
Regardless of the colour, can't wait to see your review.
Hey Andy, Ya need to speak to Triumph so you can get a ride and review asap buddy.
I like the tiny things,mistakes and whatnot,that get left in the video. It’s very low key and subtle,but it shows us the man behind the mike! There’s not a big deal made about it,no exaggerated flubs or blooper reels,no overt attempt to draw attention to the speaker;it’s just very well done. 👍
I really like shaft drive due to maintenance issues when being in remote areas, and a very narrow bike to boot, sounds great.
All UK bikers will need bikes like these knowing how bad the roads have gotten.
Like the styling and weight reduction, don't like the seat height especially for the GT (road) versions. The 20L fuel tank is to small for this size of bike , to get the 30L fuel tank requires that you get the higher priced Explorer model. Loaded with lots of options, the blind spot monitoring is a great safety feature. Triumph has certainly targeted the BMW GS1250, I will wait until I read the full reviews of the Tiger 1200 bike to see how it compares with the BMW GS1250. It will be interesting to see if this bike is still top heavy and, how well the engine dissipates the heat. A good looking and well equipped bike however I expect a fully optioned Tiger 1200 will quickly get expensive.
The better comparison would be to wait until the M1300GS comes out next year. It's going to be lighter and more compact than the 1250 and will likely have blind spot radar, like the Rally Explorer. Head's up on the quick shifter on the new Triumph Explorers, some owners have been reporting issues with them. I've also heard about Triumph parts delays due to Covid. Check me on all that, though.
Absolutely agree this could be better than the GS but; when the 900 was already so perfect for.... well everything frankly; do we need a fatter one?
@@justdad53 dude you can't afford, say that directly
@@justdad53 but it is more powerful unless you don't test ride it how can you say that?
This might be more fun 17kgs lighter and 150PS ….pretty tempting…safe Miles 🙌
I suppose the 900 won’t fit the bill if you’re looking for a bike with shaft drive. Agree that it seems brilliant in every other way.
@@justdad53 looks better as well, I personally think the GS is just plain ugly, I can't stand that boxer engine.
beautiful bike , looks and sounds like a worthy competitor for the 1250GS
I love the direction Triumph have taken with their new line-up, but I still have one problem - the price.
I am an ADV Dad, but my riding style and budget is more ADV Lad . . .😥
I'm with you. I opted for the Tiger Sport. Love it. It's a lower price and doesn't have all the included accessories of hte higher priced bikes, but you can acquire those accessories as time/budget progresses.
I'd happily have one. I've been debating sometime as to what I'd have if I could only have 1 bike, this new 1200 Tiger would fit the bill nicely.
I think Triumph done a great job offering more bikes to give more options to rider's on which suits them best. Bringing a T Plane Crank to the Tiger 1200 is a huge plus, bringing better torque, better HP and better soundtrack. A weight loss is a bonus too, I'm sure it will give more ease to the rider, a new silencer is a brilliant move too. In terms of tech, I appreciate how much they put a lot of effort in more rider modes. I do hope they did right on the suspension to provide a better comfort. I like the price though. I'm looking forward on your full review!
The t-plane crank is a backward step on what should be a smooth triple throughout the range and the bikes front suspensions is poor compared with the GS. The vibes on the Triumph are noticeable as it its weight on the road. Maybe poor insulation as well because there can be a lot of heat coming from between seat and tank. If you have owned a GS or like the brand then the Triumph is no challanger.
This new look works best on the Tiger 1200! Aside from the Honda this is the only other big adventure tourer I would consider. Looks like a winner!
Great looking & very interesting new Tigers 1200; congrats Triumph.
But, seats heights are so high… even in lower positions. I prefer the more accessible seats heights of the fantastic Tigers 900.
I get the comparison with the GS, like SUV’s their popularity is unrivaled. BUT I find the tiger 1200 to be just unique enough to be on its own if that makes sense. That’s a compliment. Now what I really like is that they offer two types of bikes. Like an SUV most people do not go off-road.
I think the regular triple makes perfect sense this T plane overlaps more and then has a huge gap wile nothing happens. And the old one just fires in a nice 123. T plane fires all in a weird order.
I'd definitely consider changing my GSA for the Explorer! Looks mega! I'm also a big fan of any tech that aids in rider safety. I think everyone is guilty of forgetting to blind spot check from time to time, so the little light to remind you is welcome.
But wait until the M1300GS comes out next year before you decide.
@@craigfinnegan8534 Wel l wen that on come it is so overpriced that Tiumph is cheap, also the speare parts to BMW is insane expensive so go for Triumph.
This bike's features definitely dive straight into the deep end of the adventure segment where the there's only two reigning Champs the GS and the SAS. Where I feel the Tiger is yet to catch up is with the suspension. There's nothing to match Telelever and Anti dive suspension on the competition, where all riding dynamics boil down to.
agreed, anti dive is a real boon on the SAS (and GS) - shame they didn't add ACC too
I’m 198cm tall, the 895mm seat of the rally is reeeeeally appealing. While try one for sure in 2022.
It’s not the seat high what makes it comfortable for tall ones like you! It’s the distance between the seat and the footrest and where they horizontally are located. And not less important is the cushion of the seat and how much you sink into it.
@@marcelhunziker9017 good points. For sure agreed, Especially what you say about the knee angle/seat distance to footrest. Very important for comfort. But as a big dude it does feel nice to sit high on the bike, stretch your legs, feet on the tarmac.
@@marcelhunziker9017 "I really should explain this tall guy how tall guys are riding bikes"
Good job sherlock…
Awesome Awesome Awesome, The Rally Explorer in the Khaki Green is perfection.
Nice video, I now have to seriously consider looking at this bike to replace an older Tiger 1050
You always seem to get your videos out before the other TH-camrs that I watch. Well done. I love the look of the new Tiger 1200. When I replace my GS, this bike and the Tiger 900 will be strong contenders.
That’s the way professional YT content creation works. It’s preshot, edited and embargoed till official release. Nice work.
Brilliant move with the blind spot detection. Have this on my Multi and it is one of the best new bits of tech. Also brilliant move on skipping the adaptive cruise and staying with normal cruise, once again have this on my Multi and hate it, just want it off.
Blind Spot detection it's a bullshit !!! The adaptive cruise control is the point and a revolution technology !!!
I really wanted to like this, and was pleased to see a more road focused GT version. Styling Still too adventure focused for me. Was hoping for something styled more like the Tiger 660 or a Tiger Sport, but with shaft drive. I’d be much happier with 17” wheels. Will stick with my Tiger Sport for now, might be tempted by the Moto Guzzi V100!
Funny I was kind of leaning that way too, but luckily I also have a Speed Triple, so exchanging my Tiger 1050 for one of these has me very intrigued since it will open up much more area around me to ride. Still love my Tiger and even with her pushing 15 years old, people still come up and ask me about it all the time (this Sunday, when she was parked with more current BMWs, people still came up and wanted to know more about the Tiger than the BMWs).
Yh weird that an adventure bike has adventure styling…
If the roads in the UK and US are anything like the roads here in Australia, particularly what you might call the 'B roads', then you'll be moving to an ADV before too long !
100% agree Andy a 660 style replacement with 100+ horses and a low level pipe and my cheque book would open
I agree. The 18-inch rear tyre is way too limiting for road tyre options...
Suddenly the £13k Ducati Desert doesn’t seem so expensive 😳
The only thing I would be concerned with bikes that are this close in almost everything is resell value.
I also wish triumph made a sport tourer that competes with the Super Duke GT
Looks great, but for me the most important thing is where the balance is on the bike, the other Tigers have been top heavy, the GS, has a lovely low down balance, or centre of gravity.
It looks like they copied the Harley Pan America with the elongated headlight. At least it's not a copy of the horrendous trend of tiny round headlights started by Yamaha now being copied by Suzuki.
But wait!!! Is there going to be a replacement to the sport, to compete with the new Multistrada? Thats what I'm hoping for! 🙏
Just bought a 2021 GSA last spring. Really like how these are looking.
18 inch rear wheel road biased ? No heated grips or centre stand on GT 14 grand Honda's nt1100 looking good value
It’s a really beautiful bike. I’m sure it compares favourably with the GS but the GS doesn’t dive under heavy breaking. I’m wondering if the triumph still does given that the forks haven’t really changed from the previous model?
My personal opinion is that diving under hard braking is not a problem at all. Practically every bike in the world has this movement and it doesn't make them any less stable and it definitely doesn't bother me. Also, I heard from a salesman at the BMW dealership that the next GS model will no longer have the same current system, it will use the universal system, at least on the front.
..I'll be taking a serious look at this bike, its putting my 'Deffo getting a GS' thought into doubt
Loads more concise and watchable than Triumph’s release videos
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Looks very interesting bike, but I don’t believe Triumph on their reasoning for not fitting Adaptive Cruise Control! Having ridden both KTM1290 and BMW1250 RT with ACC, I have found it a revelation, no doubt the next gen BMW GS will almost certainly have it (as well as the on screen mapping as the RT). So the new Triumph Tiger 1200 main competitors, Ducati, BMW, KTM will all have ACC fitted!
I agree. Riding with ACC (test ridden the V4 Multistrada) is a genuine epiphany. Not having it on at least one of these models is a big mistake. If BMW offer it on GS some time in the near future they'll take customers from Triumph.
There is no need on a motorcycle for adaptive cruise control. You should be focused on your riding by looking forward and adapting your distance and speed. Why not have DCT and just sit there trying to look cool, if that's not good enough just sit at home and use virtual reality headset.
You do some of the best breakdowns of new models out there. Love your videos!
10:50 The split radiator design has the units pitched and angled inward meaning your radar cross section is minimized... yes yes. Id love to test this. If done right you can reduce your lock to just 50m compared to 150. Dont ask how I know that.
LIDaR will still return quite well off the headlamp reflectors, which is where officers are trained to use for a lock.
I have the 2012 explorer with a very low seat as I'm only 5'7 so I absolutely love this new version. As long as they do a lower seat I can change to like my bike now then I would definitely consider upgrading.
Looks good, featured up with a practical edge ie screen,lighter, bigger range. Salivating big time now for the ride!
Great information, thanks. The GT Explorer is definitely a bike that ticks all my boxes - like a GSA without all the off-road gubbins that I would never use. Definitely one to try when it comes time to swap my 1250GS next summer. Particularly like the blind spot radar.
Really? The way it is mounted to the bike... It looks really bad
@@FrancescoColucci1 I am not sure he was taking about the design of the blind spot radar, but it’s tech. It’s really useful.
@@Honda_Africa_Twin Agree with you that it is useful and that he probably was referring to the idea of having it, but still.. it is ugly af. Bike is cool, but that detail..
@@FrancescoColucci1 I would never buy an adventure bike for the way it looks... in this case, the functionality is more important to me.
@@richardd9976 In general, yes, but at that steep price point, the execution is something to consider. Ducati Multistrada V4's radar is way better implemented. I am just saying that. If it tickets all your boxes, go ahead and enjoy it.
Interested from the spec to have a go when I’m ready to replace the 1250gs I have now. Questions will be for me are, how does the engine feel by comparison on the road to the gs. The gs has huge stomp at low rpm which for the road riding at legal speeds is just how I like it and the other point is the front end, I love the front end lack of dive and planted feel the BMW gives, will the Triumph get close... not sure, outside of that and possibly C of G then it’s a strong contender on paper alright. Given it’s around 3 years newer than the GS there shouldn’t be any reason to not at least match the Beemer as Triumph have had plenty of benchmarking and development time.
I think it won't have the stomp down low but it'll be more characterful and exciting. Modern Triumphs steer really sweetly so I expect it to feel better (but it'll have some dive).
Is no one gonna talk about the vibes from the T plane? Granted on trails it may not be a problem but on road I found it to be an issue with the 900. I am assuming it'll be the same with this 1200 series unless Triumph somehow radically able to eliminate the T plane vibes.
One of the important aspects I look for in a touring bike is that it has no annoying vibes. I can't stand the vibes for 8-12 hours of riding with vibes.
Well you can’t really comment on whether it vibes or not until you’ve actually ridden it, so I held off. I’ve talked about it plenty on the tiger 900 and asked triumph about whether they’d made changes for 1200. They say it’s evolved but I’ll find out more on the press ride…
@@motobob True. My comment is based on my experience with their T plane on the 900. Hopefully they have found a way to cancel those vibes.
Looking at the way the T plane works I couldn't think of a way how they would remove those vibes but then again I am not an engine builder and I do sincerely hope they found a way. Cause that was the main reason why I didn't consider the Tiger 900. I loved how smooth the 800 was but that was missing that critical low end power. I am now hoping that Triumph would bring out the Tiger 660 Rally version with the regular 1-2-3 firing order.
Funny how the vibes on the Tiger 900 polarise opinion. Some find them unbearable. Others (including me), don't find them that intrusive. Yes, the motor is a little "gruff", but it's been done for a valid reason. It'll be interesting to see how I get on with it when touring day after day next year.
Nice to see that Triumph did the same radiator split they did on the Tiger 900. That change in the 900 really changed the bike by getting rid of the very top heavy feeling that the 800 had. The previous Tiger 1200 was also the VERY top heavy, making low speed handling tricky, so IMO this is going to be the biggest change in the handling of the new model. Then again, I guess it’s going to feel quite top heavy again if you have the 30 L version with a full tank. 600 km fuel range though - wow!!
As an owner of the current Tiger 1200 very excited about the new model. Massively impressed on a recent test ride on the KTM SAS but will hold fire until I get to ride this. It’s going to be long winter.
Another great video. 👍 my first thought was, they've done such a great job with the 900, they've almost created their own competition!
One of the big features of the GS is the anti dive so it'll be interesting to see how they compare. 🤞
Keep up the great work 👍
will be interesting to see how easy the rear wheel is to get off / out ????
Thanks for a superb, professional, informed and very well thought-out and organised presentation, giving me all the info I could possibly need on the new Tiger. Credit too for the graphics explaining the altered power pulse characteristics of the T-plane crank. Looks like Triumph have responded to each and every shortcoming mentioned on previous T12s, and they deserve to do well with the new Gen 4. I'll hang onto my Gen 3 1200 XRx for a while, but the new GT Pro is now firmly on the shopping list.
Don't like the Boxer engine so for me this is a winner. Good to see Triumph made it so much lighter.
Nice chatting with you on the Triumph stand earlier. Interesting that Triumph had a lot more of the 1200's on display than the Tiger 660 Sport.... I think we can see that they are going all out after this sector. Very nice looking bike in the flesh.
Very good looking bikes! I’m looking forward to some healthy competition 🙂
At least on paper the almost perfect bike. The only thing, that I'm missing on the top line-ups is a more future-proof connectivity system. For example, the Honda AT has carplay. Sounds minor, but more then often says the extra navi and ensures you having a usable connectivity for years to come. Sadly, Honda doesn't do shaft drives on the AT. At least not yet .... Especially sad as one can see how bad the app from Triumph seem to be doing, given it's bad reviews.
Wife would kill me if we traded. Passenger seat looks less accomodating to be honest.
The Tiger 1200 Alpine I have is a fantastic two up bike. Yep a bit heavy on the top, but being 6'2 its not an issue for me luckily. The switch to manual windscreen is good imo, less fiddling with the menu selections
Definitely would test ride the explorer! Good review 👌
The torque specs online show 167.3 lb/ft in the engine overview and 176.3 lb/ft on the Specification tab. Seems high unless it should be Nm units. Impressed by the weight loss.
It’s glorious! Can’t wait for your first ride review!
I've had Triumph for the past 22yrs or so.... ill definitely be having a look at the explorer 👍👍
I did the marketing day for this bike. They looked great on paper and equally look great in the flesh. Price wise yes it’s cheaper than a gs but is it as good. I brought my top of the range gsa at a heavily discounted price with full luggage. Great looking bike and I look forward to maybe trying one.
Great summary thanks. Good news that we can get the seat lower than 850. Would have liked to see 17” wheels for a full choice road tyres, but maybe the choice will be good enough with 18/19”. I’ll be buying in the spring and this is very high on the shortlist, hope the dealers get demonstrators in soon.
Shame it was delayed for so long, I was really looking forward to buying one of these, but got the new KTM instead.
Good choice!
A brilliant report far more interesting and full of facts than the Triumph launch video. These four models all look really great and such a big improvement on the old ones. Looking forward to your ride report. Many thanks.
Hats down to Triumph. It is clearly newer, smarter, and better in every aspect compared to the old tigers. However, the looks will need to grow on people.
The old tigers had a rugged look to them, these feel more...dull, maybe less serious, less commanding with tiny windscreen, an unsure beak, a non-serious-looking headlight, and a rather plain rear light...I'm not so sure.
Looks as always are subjective, and first impressions can turn into something different over time.
Seems to offer largely what my 2016 Multistrada Enduro offered 5 years ago. Hopefully the additional weight savings and some of the niceties will bring something enticing …
One of the excellent reviewers on TH-cam right now, cheers 🍻
Cheers mate 🍻
@@motobob I tend to like your reviews, but your header was GS Killer? well what are your thoughts? you eulogised over the GS recently, which would you choose??
I’m going to see the new 1200 tomorrow at an open day (I currently ride an 800 XC). I thought I’d look for a review before going and came across this…….Great review. You have a new sub!
I've just bought one and it'll join my Quad Black R1250GSA in the barn. We'll be ADVENTURISING it for sure and I'll let you know if I prefer it to my GS.
Looks great with the same design language as the 900. Please tell me those Yamahas nostrils aren’t on the top of the tiger tank are they? Headlight looks descent without making the front look like a demonic bird. Please also tell me you can change the air filters without pulling off the tank. That’s a show stopper for me. Not that I’m interested in doing jumps etc, But would be interested to see how they handle on some trails- ie top heavy. I’m a triumph guy (tiger 1050) but if the price is close to BMW, I feel I must change allegiances. Cost is a factor.
I thought that the rule of the Multisrada V4S as my top dream bike is pretty much unshakable, and this happened. That 30 liters of fuel on the GT Explorer would be very much tempting. One thing would make it an even more tempting option for me, is the spoked wheels for the GT Explorer. A perfect compromise between road and light off-road usage, because the Rally Explorer would be way too focused on off-road riding for me. Alloy wheels can do it too, but I would be feeling a bit more secure with spokes. In any case, I love the blue GT Explorer, bloody good job Triumph
I like your commentary very much ! Good description and in a nice voice !
Thanks Alain - I appreciate the support!
Congrats, best presentation from all TH-camrs!
Cheers mate 🙏
Great review Mr Bob 👍
Cheers mate! Took some editing… 😅
it'll be interesting to see the first direct riding comparisons between the GS and the GT Pro. I'll be in the market in the spring as selling my Blade due to old age and a dodgy back 🙂. So for me more power is a factor as is less weight. This is why I've never considered the previous versions of the big Tiger as they've always weighed a ton. This new one seems to tick a lot of boxes though a wider 170 back tyre would have improved the looks. I'd like to buy British but ultimately it'll come down to how the two bikes compare. Tested a GS and it is lovely and plush and great fun on the twisties - but slow when used to Tap sports bikes. Looking forward to testing the Tiger. Fingers crossed.
What is the max vehicle gross weight? They show the wet weight for the Rally Explorer to be 575 lbs but how much can you pack on one of these?
I'm glad that Triumph get this new machine that is an upgrade that I was waiting. Very good review!
Thanks
Looks superb, can't wait till you all get to ride it and give your opinion.
Oh yes - certainly looking forward to this one
Hurrah! Regular, clock looking tachometer on the dashboard!!! Hope they will adjust also 900 series dashboard with the same!
No doubt a great looking bike with great performance specs, however a couple of things will tip the scales towards the GS, one being the better torque at the lower rev spectrum, and the other the shear flick-ability of the GS due to its lower C of G. Not to mention that wiz wheel and TFT, plus the bmw unparalleled fit and finish. I am eagerly awaiting the new 1300 GS M tbh, which I think will blow our socks off! A great effort by Triumph nevertheless, I do believe it will be a winner......... But a GS killer? Naaah not really!!
As a ex-owner of GS1200 and current owner of S1000XR I have a strong feelings about "bmw unparalleled fit and finish". Especially XR is average at best. I did 50k on it and everything is squicking and vibrating, especially behind the dash. Plastics looks very "used". I also have Speed Triple R on which I did similar milage and it looks and feels brand new compared to XR. I will not buy another BMW. GS was OK, but XR is a total quality mistake. 4/10.
Good review , i think this segment is pretty much the bike world version of the “Chelsea Tractor”
Excellent review of the new Tiger 1200, great looking bike , it might just be the bike to knock the GS off its lofty perch.
This is very intriguing from Triumph, I actually think it looks a nice bike and with all the stats looking favourably, more torque/better hp/weight loss/cornering headlight & daytime running light/easy function screen whilst riding/split radiator/better weight balance etc etc. Its got my interest for sure, I have the GS TE currently just ridden the GS Rallye around the Spanish mountain on & off road (dazmatronmotorcycletrips). This Triumph Tiger definitely now going into the ring with the top selling bench mark tourer & its British! So I'll be getting a test ride ASAP!! Thanks for the vid....
Can’t wait to see one at the motorcycle show tomorrow…I have been waiting for this to be announced before deciding to buy a Tiger 900 or this one….have to book some test rides me thinks….
Great vid and brilliant introduction to this awesome looking monster. Shall I trade-in my 900RP? 🤔😬
I like everything I see apart from the high exhaust. pain in the ass for soft luggage. weight saving is amazing tho. design, meh, it's alright, previous one was better looking. shame about losing the electronic windscreen. how the wind protection is at cruising speeds will determine if I go for it.
Just bought my 2021 1250GSA in September but I would have given the Tiger Explorer a hard look with the specs you showed. Great video! Blind spot monitoring would be fantastic. I’m not a fan of the radar cruise control, I have it on my 2021 Toyota 4Runner.
I like the rally trim with the 30liter fuel tank.
So impressed with Triumph! To me they’re knocking it out of the park.
A 660 adv. would be next awesome bike !
I wouldn’t be surprised if we got one of those next year…
There should be a 650 cc adv bike like rally pro having all the features from tubeless spoked wheels to cruise mode, riding modes, IMU etc
Thanks for the coverage.
I hope you can put this bike through a proper riding review.
Cheers.
Should be able to in a few months
The GT especially with the raised rear looks fantastic. I love the high seat, too. Too many manufacturers pander to short riders.
Too many mfg pander to short riders?!?!??!?! Let me see ... hmmm... Name one. NONE on my count.
@@mattingray5651 KTM: 890 Adventure is lower than the 990 Adventure.
Kawasaki: Versys is lower than original models
Triumph: 900 GT is lower than 800.
well well Triumph. this looks interesting. Thanks MotoBob for the summary. no better channel to find this info and the first always
Cheers mate 🍻
I've got a 2020 Triumph Tiger 1200 Desert Edition. I love the bike, it is superb. I'd be tempted to trade it in for new 1200 Rally pro - but for the colour schemes. The day Triumph see sense and come up with a black frame (or the day I feel I can justify buying a new bike and having the frame powder coated satin black), I'll be in like Flynn.
Triumph seems to be the new Honda. Innovation, quality, awesome looking bikes, effective marketing etc. makes them a serious contender. This all-new Explorer will give the competition a serious headache. On the other hand, being a true triple fan I just do not buy into the new T-plane crank trend...
Triumph the new Honda: good way of putting it and I have to agree. Just a shame that Honda seem to have lost their bike mojo.
I was going to buy a GS in 22. But i like the spec of the Tiger and take for a spin once it is available. What is the reliability track record of Tigers?
Excellent intro to the new beast Bob.
Can't wait for a ride review now, although I think i will be sticking with my 900GT Pro.
Interesting to see what the residuals will be compared to the GS!
I can't wait to see the GT Pro in the flesh and test ride it to see what the new engine is like
It seems like a very nice bike 😊 I will see it coming Sunday in VIP show at my dealer in Sweden 👍🏻
Seems like a good one!
Edit: Any update on that mid sized Africa twin?
Sounds fabulous, but the GT *starts* at USD19K! And then, $2K jumps for each next model. Getting a nosebleed just thinking about it... Too many incredible rigs in that price range. Maybe a used one in a few years. Then again, maybe not.
This is all very nice but Triumph are missing a point here in the market. They have not replaced the popular 1050 Tiger sport. The 660 Tiger sport looks the part and will undoubtedly perform really well but Triumph should have released a bigger version with 17" wheels. With styling similar to the smaller bike it would have been a big hit from Triumph. Oh well maybe next year.
You cannot mix water and oil - those bikes are similar and may have the same purpose but I suppose brands already established their customers. Those few that are looking for a perfect bike will not be bothered with branding but will look after fit for purpose machine. Others will do the test rides, say what they're thinking and those who can afford those bikes will get the one closer to their hearts.
Triumph did a good job I believe!