We Caught a Car Wrap Scammer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Scammers are everywhere. If there’s one alarming lesson we’ve learned from our years of scambaiting, it’s how nearby we are to scammers in our day to day lives. scammers are not exclusive to any one place. They are everywhere. They might be your neighbor, your mechanic, or even your employer.
In this episode of Fraud Hunters, we’re tracking down and exposing a massive check fraud scam going on right here in the United States. They’re using our very own trusted companies against us, and now more than ever, the fake promise of employment or financial gain is snatching victims all over the country. Watch to the end of this video for a detailed, investigative look at a check fraud scam, and witness just how intricate and widespread this operation is.
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You guys are good thank you for what you do I was watching you guys a couple years ago and now I'm watching you guys again I also watch pierogi he's really cool also anyways thank you again for what you do
supposed to pull up their exact location n expose the building they're at
too afraid of links dawg, VPN for life
Trilogy Media,
I've been a fan for a while, and like what your doing exposing these scammers.
I need your help exposing a few Scammers that are doing Romance scams. Been playing and stringing them along for sometime .
I feel it's time to expose them for the scum and parasites that they are. I have definitely have 4 that need to be exposed. So am ask if your interested in helping exposed them.I would greatly appreciate your professional help in doing this correctly. Please leave a message if your organization is truly are interested in helping exposing them.I understand that your organization receives many texts asking for help and you can only do so many. I feel these 4 are worth the effort, their Nigerian scammers. They are so lame and have given so many hints of what their doing and who they are. It's time to expose them..please help if you can. Thank you for your time and consideration on this matter.
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Question ❓ Are the real companies (Microsoft, Amazon, etc) looking into these scams? Because they are using their company names. Thanks, keep up the great work and stay safe!
When I used to work as a bank teller, as soon as we saw someone come in with a FedEx envelope we knew it was most likely a fake check. We actually used to get little bonuses for stopping fraudulent checks from being deposited and sending the check and info to our fraud department.
Yeah my bank told me it was a check in a bank that doesn’t exist.
So I gave it to them for their fraud Dept.
I love filling out all those scam adds in x girlfriend name and address ots win win. Scammers waste money on postage and Xs get junk mail checks lol
Cheques look so weird there in the U.S. Apart from the fact cheques are very rarely ever used here or accepted as payment, they are normally from a bank cheque book.
Only one I've ever gotten that was not was from my insurance company which was still on A4 bank stationary and had a perforation to remove cheque from insurance companys printed letterhead.
The average person can't tell a fake check from a counterfeit one. They trust by default that the bank can. Check scams would not even be possible if the banks took more measures to confirm if a check is counterfeit or not before accepting it and leaving their customers responsible with no recourse if they get suckered. I am not blaming the banks, just stating the FACT that the banks can come off as enablers and accessories when they accept a counterfeit check and clear it and then essentially tell their customer to kick rocks when they are stuck footing the bill.
It is refreshing to read that the bank you worked for was actually taking measures. Sadly, most banks don't.. or at least didn't until so many of their customers were defrauded.
your bank sounds great. Santander treated me like sh** and ruined my credit. I fell victim to this and lost a thousand dollars I'm still recovering for what this did to me
This happened to me 2 years ago. When I took the check to the bank, I asked the bank to examine the check. I explained to him about the text I received from a scammer, the decal, etc., and he assured me that it is fake and it has happened before. And he want to keep the check to send it to the fraud department. This is crazy lol
I did the same thing when i got one. I gave it to the bank so they could report it. Same name on the check as the lady above in the video.
I was taught early on in life that “if it sounds or looks too good to be true then it usually is…” also “you never get something for nothing”. I’ve lived by these rules and when I’ve forgotten them, I’ve always regretted it.
OMG I've just found your videos on accident and I'm hooked. The most entertaining scammer bait videos I've seen. "Sounds like your talking from inside a dishwasher" 😂 and the faces! I could literally watch you trying too use the two or three real words and just use context clues to figure out what he was saying. Hilarious. Doing God's work boys! Got a new subscriber. 👍
And funny 😄 at the Sam time
You’re* but yah 😂
By accident but yah
On a straight 3 day binge lol
My favorite is when he said, "You sound like if a nutcracker could speak." LOL
My father had a saying that helped keep me from being scammers... "If it is so easy that anyone can do it, then everyone would be doing it." If companies paid us $600 a week to put advertisements on our cars, all the cars on the road would look like they were from NASCAR.
😅very true
@@AnamBiswa Could not beat my father's logic, he used this thing called "Common Sense" and damn did that ever work.
WTF was Gary using to talk to Dex, a freaking potato?! 😂
Nope it was a calculator! Lmao
LMAO 😂
A cell phone from 1984 😂
His head is potato i think lol
Automatic walkitalki 😂
I've never been so scared of something that I have zero actual risk of being harmed by.
That’s because very few people are immune to the risk of being scammed. You probably are not immune either. Scammers get more and more clever all the time.
@@Danielle-nz9tn exactly. No one is immune. Something will happen causing the cleverest people to (almost) get hooked.
I'm too poor, they'd never try me, lol
It's very low, but never zero
@@cindytartt4048then they arent too clever than because ngl every scam looks hella obvious with so many red flag like personally never met someone falling for these scams
That guy was so sketchy. The sad thing is people do fall for this type of scam. Trilogy is making a big difference in peoples lives. Thank you guys
12:53 this check is really strange. the routing number really is for KeyBank National Association, but that bank only operates in Ohio and has no branches in other states. The PO box listed as the branch address is actually the same PO box company as the sender... which means who ever cut that check is doing a weird scam where they are trying to capture any return letters to the real bank. Also, the routing number seems to be the same for all branches in Ohio, which i've never seen. And the cherry on top is that is a printable check. i have used thousands of those bastards. they basically come in blank reams, and you print whatever you want, EXCEPT for the routing, check number, and account number. those are on the ream when you buy it. So someone bought a ream of checks for that bank, then made a fake branch address, then made a fake sending company, then had them both use the same PO box company. That's a whole pile of stupid, but i don't think that's actually check fraud. the branch details don't have to be accurate, only the routing number and account number.
edit: i just saw the close up on the check, and that is for sure a fake check. they use a shitty printer to do a front and back print of what normally goes on those printable checks. maybe there are reams that look like that, but i doubt it. smells like check fraud lol
My dad had this happen on a Craigslist RV scam ("Ray Ferguson" fyi). Unfortunately for them, I've been in banking for years and saw right through the bs. It's exactly like this scam. We ended up calling the fraud department of the bank listed on the check. They perked right up and had us fax them every single text, email, any form of communication, along with the check and envelope. The bank themselves went after this guy hard. Scammers lesson learned. Don't fuck with a banker. 😂
All of you in the scambaiting community should be commended for all the hard work that you do in tracking down these despicable thieves . Thankyou . You are spreading awareness and education on how to detect and avoid these scams and there are many .
Definitely from Nigeria. My family sponsored a Nigerian student back in 1968. He was in University to become a doctor, such a nice young man. He ended up becoming the top OB GYN doctor in Nigeria. Things have changed since the 60s.
This is an old scam! I saw this back in 2001-2002. They use pay for adds in newspapers. They have been doing stuff like this in the nanny industry as well. They give you the whole story about how they are moving and want to send you a check to secure your future services as a nanny.
I got a scam call while I was watching this. These dirtbags are non-stop these days.
Constant messages ending in "okay" is the biggest red flag ever.
Awesome video! My wife almost got hit with the fake secret shopper check fraud scam.. Ashton did exactly what I did and there were so many odd things about the check and addresses.. Way to go brothers!! #WeAreAllScamBaiters
I sometimes see ads for "secret shoppers wanted" - they absolutely scream "scam" at me. Much like ads for "child models wanted" or any other apparently low risk, low effort way to make money.
@@capitalb5889my children won't even smile or sit still for pictures... Child modeling would be high stress work for my kids 🤣 but yeah you are correct 🤣
Awesome job and happy that beautiful lady seeked guidance and didn't fall for the scam. Much love from Queensland Australia 💜
I’m from Brisbane. I love TM. Great guys .
My son-in-law fell for this same scam. His wrap was to advertise Dasani. My s-i-l & daughter were both out of work & struggling trying to make ends meet. Worried about supporting his wife and infant daughter he jumped at the chance to make some money. He followed their instructions deposited the check into their account & of course, it all went to crap. Then my s-i-l was devastated & feeling humiliated. My s-i-l and daughter had to take out a bank loan that they couldn't afford to satisfy the bank. It was devastating to the family! I'm SO glad to see y'all going after these monsters.
Amazing job guys yahoooo and he really did sound like he was going through the final spin cycle on the phone call 😂
The final spin cycle 😂😂😂😂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
some scammers actually stole my fed ex account a few months ago and my bank caught it and called me, I called fed ex and explained to them that it wasnt me sending all these checks and fed ex let them keep running about 15 more envelopes across the country then harassed me for the money.
Christina is such a doll. She literally brightened my day just with her wholesome energy.
These episodes really just keep getting better and better. Love how it’s evolved and improved. Next step is to get picked up by Vice or Netflix
This video is amazing...thank you for exposing yet another scam. This is so ridiculous
I was selling a four wheeler on Facebook marketplace. Got contacted by a “woman” that claimed she wanted to buy buy it for her son. Sent a check via FedEx but was for more than agreed upon. The check was from a construction company, I don’t recall where. I researched the company and called. They said they’d had multiple scams done with their information. I called the local Sheriff’s office and a deputy came to do a report. Never heard about it again.
Scammers always say “kindly” before a few sentences lmao
Another award winning video. Thank God, Christina did not fall for it. Did I see Greenwich? That’s not far from me.
Thank You for all you do especially bringing awareness to all. Bravo. So proud of you. 💕💕💕.
"You sound like if a nutcracker could speak." LOL I laughed way too long at that
Funniest telephone call I've hears in a very long time: the expressions on your faces coupled with the "tonsils" and "nutcracker" comments were indeed the stuff of "good talk"!!!! Hysterical, gentlemen!!
Right about now I’m thinking, is Ryan Benson going to have to moon this scammer, and Amy won’t be able to let him know this time 😂 We miss you Amy 😘
What happened to Amy??
@@CarlaHanson68 She’s visiting family at the moment!
@@danisierralynn6654 Ohhhh ok, thank you for telling me, that's exactly what I was hoping it was and not something serious. Take care and Merry Christmas! ❤
WOW! That was both scary and extremely amusing!! Ashton asking this "Gary" scammer what language is this? And I can`t understand what you`re saying lol (neither could I lol)?!! And I loved your car, perfect lol!! Another fantastic episode Ashton, and very informative too, I`m so glad that Christina had the sense to realise that this job was actually a fake one?!! Keep on scambaiting brothers, love you all!! # We Are All Scambaiters xxx
❤❤❤you men!!! Thank you for what you do!!❤ i been thier too"" 9yrs ago!! Iam going on 62yrsyoung! Nov.. thy do young people too!!! God loves you men!❤❤ and i do too
I had this happen to me. They claimed they were Aquafina advertising. I took the check to my bank and had them check it out. Totally a scam. The money goes into your account but isnt actually there. If you touch it you owe what you withdraw to the bank. People are messed up. Thank God for scam busters like you guys.
Scammer: "ahbo ehba boobah eeuua"
Everyone else: huh?
Art said “let’s google a car” like he just had the brightest idea ever.
Wouldn’t most people find it odd that they are not only getting paid in advance of even putting the decal on their car, but the company is also overly concerned that they deposit the check immediately-even though they haven’t done anything for the company?! That seems a little backwards, doesn’t it??
Wow .... The scammer sounds, African? Thanks for another great video!
Nigerian, I am guessing.
@@auroramaree721 That's what I was thinking, Nigerian accent.
Definetly African. Nigerian is my first guess
He sounds like he is from Africa like maybe Ghana
I was thinking Nigeria
@@CatJ45674 that too
Pretty sure he's either Nigerian or Ghanaian
@@TomboUK yeah. It can be either one. I really like that their communicating with different scammers from around the world.
Part of the problem is some people just do not understand how these scams work no matter how hard you try to explain it to them. They end up blaming the wrong party. And by them doing so not only leaves them and others still vulnerable to further scams but can cause damages to the wrong people by hurting their reputations. Sad state of affairs but we live in a world where some people either lack critical thinking skills, or can not distinguish skepticism from reality denial and go through life thinking everyone is out to get them but yet end up trusting those who actually are out to get them. Because the scammers know how to "work" these type of people who seem to be wired back asswards.
I"d have told him that I won't work for a man who's afraid to look me in the eye. He'd have gotten defensive at that point like they all due or they suddenly have to go & "they'll take care of this later". He's a typical scammer. I usually tell them at that point - if I"m not good enough to look you in the face I"m not good enough to be employed by you. Adios buddy this is your last chance. They never do because they know the deal's over at that point. He's lying his face off.
He knows the camera works & he knows how to work it. I had one of these scammers try & screw me over. Once she told me that she was sending me a check for 3000.00 & that I'd need the money to buy gift cards - I was really suspicious at that point because it was then obvious why she refused any other form of money transfer for me to get the 3000.00. Had to be a check. Told her I didn't use checks.
She responded that I'd told her that was able to use checks & was I still prepared to do that or not? I agreed to. But that told me exactly how the same was going to work. I told her that it would take 2 or 3 business days for the checks to clear. She immediately used her bossiest tone so far to tell me that the banks would surely clear them right away. I ignored what she said because I now knew how I was going to get ripped off.
I also knew that I'd never use that money until the check had fully cleared - which it would not. Obviously I realized I could not let myself use funds that had not irrevocably cleared. I did some googling on the name she gave me & it was her real name & it matched the photo on her FB account that she approached me from. She was demanding immediate compliance but I told her I needed to run a security check first & would get back to her as soon as it was completed.
Then I sent her an email with the photo's of her & her significant other having been arrested & spent several years in prison (she must not have been out that long) & a copy of the photo on her profile that proves she's a dirtbag scammer with a criminal record for endangering & abusing the lives of her children which were all taken from them. These scammers also use the info the get from you for identity theft.
I never have the bank put my account number on the back of the check
Obsessed with this channel!! 😍 been binge watching all the videos 🤣 love you guys!
I havnt seen one video yet with a police arrest, although I’ve seen a few of them with a face reveal.. not as easy to come by, so much work and persistence put into these videos tho. It really comes down to the scammers letting their guard down and feeling gullible to trust you, which isn’t as easy as it sounds.. thanks for the content guys! And keep up the great work!
FYI - Frito Lay's corporate office is on Coit Rd in Plano, TX. It's down the road from where I lived.
I found these videos about 7 months ago and ever since I’ve been hooked so intriguing
same here
spent many hours already
trilogy media is addictive
@@z0r YES FAM
Just getting to watch! Great work team Trilogy!
Additional scam tips: big companies don't normally need to pay to advertise on people's cars. They put their money into commercials or billboards. Smaller-scale, local businesses might pay you to advertise on your car, but Frito-Lay's sure doesn't need to. (and generally I think the smaller-scale local businesses just advertise on their own cars)
so i actually got a 2800 dollar check from a scammer it was to drive around with a monster energy drink logo on my car but what i ended up doing was cashed the check and i'm surprised that wells fargo actually gave me the cash and then i closed my account down and changed my number and this was back in 2019 so that the scammer couldn't text me i got the same text as the women explained and yes as of today i still have the 2800 dollars in my mason jar hahaha.
So you knowingly committed fraud 🤔
Um…hmm…might want to rethink all that.
You didn’t get a letter saying it bounced? You’re not going to be able to open another account until you repay it.
"Im not good with tech but I try my best"
Dude has a green screenbehind him, this is excellent xD
I was once replied to this kind of ads not too long ago but I always stick to my principle that you don't have to pay some amount of money in advance when you're the one looking to earn a money for a living. Anything that involves a money coming out of your pocket is a just a flat out SCAM..!!!
Those French horns have never sounded better than they did at 48:16 .. Epic ! I love how persistent you are in this episode. You literally hound the guy down into submission.
This dude is the most impatient guy I've ever seen in my life Like hes so impatient he ruins his whole thing
Hey, btw that I think that IP address from the tracking link wasn't actually that of the scammer. As you see it said cache.google.com, which Gmail uses to proxy images using its own servers to protect users' real IP address from being leaked. Stuff that should protect users from scammers might have actually backfired and protected the scammer here.
Just now seeing this, I had this happen to me as I simply had put my info on indeed for car wrap jobs. and they tried to scam me by saying "oh wrap your car yourself, save money & make money" sent me a fake as hell check that was clearly obvious.
A friend of mine replied to a craigslist ad about a babysitting job and she got paid in advance. She didn't have a bank account and so I deposited it into my bank not knowing anything about it and it bounced and I ended up owing around $2500. Her mom moved her back to Ohio and left me with repaying it. So I was making monthly payments of like $110 til I paid it all back. The bank explained the scam to me 3 days after I deposited it and withdrew all the money and went negative
They need there own show on Netflix 💯🔥
Can’t wait 😁 👍
I signed up for car decals in 2016 and I was sent put a check. I had direct deposited and went to the bank afterward after it didn't go in bank. I was told it was fraudulent and even sent a picture of the deposit slip. I literally told the guy that was texting me that the bank said it was fraud and they simply blocked me. 🚫 I was not expecting that. I had to pay a fee for depositing this. I hate scammers they think they can get away with it!
It happened to me as well, a friend told me there was an announcement on TV saying they will pay you $400 to $600 a week for the decal announcement. I went searching the same way this lady did. I got a Fed Ex envelope with a check the instructions on how to deposit & what to do after the deposit became very suspicious to me so, I destroyed it & blocked all text messages & email from the scammer.
"He sounds like if a nutcracker could speak"
LMAO
He doesn’t want to reveal himself to you
That check looks just like the one a fake remote work employer sent me when was looking for a second job; I knew the equipment was to be supplied by the employer; their insistence that I use the check they sent me to purchase it was a red flag. I took it to my bank and asked the officer (not the counter, but went into the office) about it. FBI got involved, and I was told unsurprisingly that not only was there no money for the check, but no job there, either.
No real water mark, weird paper for the check, and the addresses were strange, too.
I ran into two more job scams that day. Fortunately I wasn't caught by any of them.
Interesting note: I got one of the fake job scammers into an hour-long argument about getting a check; I wish I had been a phone call, to waste their time with me.
A friend of mine almost fell for this like 5 years ago. I told her sounds too good to be true. Same exact thing but the bank caught it luckily.
I love this squad
Amazing job again guys!
I feel for a very similar scam when I was in my early 20's . Almost exactly the same things happened to me. I deposited the check in my bank. But this check had all the water marks and the heat sensitive color changing strip.
The bank did a 10 day hold on the check but then released the funds. After I realized I was scammed I did a police report and I contacted the FBI. The FBI said it was not a large enough amount for them to get involved. I said if you add everyone else who got scammed it would be millions, and they basically said there was nothing they could do.
My question is why are we responsible to pay back the bank after they did a 10 day hold then released the funds? I thought the banks were insured for stuff like this.
I learned a very valuable lesson.
Here in Missouri, there were still people falling for this as of last Summer but the checks look like garbage! [still] That is what gives them away
Love your work! BTW there is a Dublin Georgia and it is a wonderful place to visit. There is also a Strickland Boots located right next to the courthouse and it has a long history and following. It's a shame that scammers use credible businesses to camouflage their crooked businesses. If you ever are around these parts, stop by Dublin Georgia! We would be happy to have you!
Keep up the good work!
They are just using their FEDEX account. Do you think the scammer is actually going to PAY to overnight a fake check?
Those companies are legit, only had their Fedex accoutn hacked, or they used a weak password.
Legit wrap companies track your mileage, require you to drive through certain areas ( or highly populated areas) and possibly at certain times. And those are just some of the requirements. This guy didn't mention any of these things. He didn't even send a contract to sign, make sure you knew if you were a 1099 contractor or W-2 employee. He just knows enough to talk about speak sporadically about the paint job, like he really legitimately knows what he's doing, and try to get you to deposit the check. All these things are red flags.
The old saying goes. It’s it’s to good to be true it probably is!!! Thank you for educating us on these scams. I see them all the time.
Thank you for this video. My brother got scammed by a "I'm a millionaire giving money but pay a 1000$ fee, to get 70,000$. By the time he told us it was to late 😔. Thank you for raising awareness about these sick cruel people!
wait so your brother got scammed out of SEVENTY thousand dollars via a fake check scam??
@@purplespaceship2417 no he okay paid like a $1,000 some, before he told us
So sad your brother is greedy.
Great video guys. So glad to hear Christina listened to her gut & looked into it. I’ve heard of check scams before but wasn’t sure how they worked. Happy Christmas to you, your fams & the whole squad!
I have this happen to me a few years ago. Luckily, I didn't cash the check, but I did created a fake deposit slip from my bank to show them it was cashed and also had my car photoshopped with the brand wrap applied. I had told them I found a local car wrap company to do it and they were hesitant that their guy would do it, "on the spot at my home/work". After several back and forth texts they eventually stopped replying and sending texts. I've tried tracking them down, but the location seemed to belong to a warehouse that had nothing to do with automobiles and the business number never really picked up either. I had planned to keep the fedex, sticky, and check to give to the local authorities, but eventually didn't as I felt all the effort wouldn't catch this person. Finally threw away the fedex envelope when I loved early this year.
When she says that when the check bounces if you don't have the money in your account for it, does that mean like... if the fake check was for $1000, they put $1000 in my account, it bounces, I haven't used any money in my account so there's still $1500 in there, they withdraw the "money" am I now back to my original $500 or am I actually at -$500 because they didn't withdraw the fake $1000 they gave me that I didn't use, but withdrew real money that I don't have?
They have a Mc Café and a Mountain Dew one that’s a scam to
I LOVE these brothers of mine, Ash & Art😊❤.RESPECT 🙌🏽.
I realize that these guys may have scared off the scammers, but imagine all the people that have fallen for this scam. They're still ahead of us. There's a fool born every second.
There need to be harsher punishments for scammers like hardcore punishment for scammers
“Il send him a picture of my co… of my car”
I really thought that was going elsewhere for a moment 😂.
My "job" was for data entry and my check for office equipment was over $7k. My scammer wanted a copy of the check and deposit receipt.
I remember a guy driving around with the same type of wrap. I wonder if he got scammed all the way to getting the car wrapped or if there are legit places doing this.
Sounds like he's talking through a drive thru speaker through a phone 😂
I saw that same ad years ago everyone laugh reacted to it because they knew it was fake
33:52 bro started beatboxing
One time while working at the hospital I received a check to the admission department from someone overseas who apparently had scheduled a surgery, the person sent more money than what actually the surgery was worth, I immediately notified my boss to alert the finance department that looked like a scam. Come to find out it was a scam.
I got this scam thru a text! Wanted to wrap my car Wal Mart ads. I knew was scam and blocked. But… love watching make scammers sweat
Ashton's typing is therapeutic.
I was scammed this way many years ago, I got a 2nd check and spoke with law enforcement and explained the check is fake to fool the banks, as the numbers were changed at the bottom of the check... to look legit as paper and ink are legit when printing the check!
Please don't encourage them to send more checks so they can "waste their money on Fedex"
They're not spending anything on fedex. Those return addresses are legitimate companies, and the scammers found their way into their FEDEX accounts, so the company on the return address is actually paying for it. If anything, try to contact those companies and tell them to change their FEDEX login passwords!
Besides, do you really think a scammer is going to spend his OWN money to overnight a fake check? Totally from hacked Fedex accounts.
Just a little footnote, Greenwich, CT happens to be the most expensive town in the most expensive county, Fairfield, in New England, to live.
❤❤❤❤❤ya all
Burst the scammers. Expose them.
I’m fairly new on following you guys and I love watching your videos. This is so awesome what you do. Keep up the great work.
Scammers beware. We are Legion. We are among you.
Omg when it said boot in company name I was thinking car decal is kinda like a boot 😂
Thank to this videos I helped my friend from a scam he needed to get out of now he is happy that I have helped him
I got one of them checks for 6k I have it somewhere here at my home but ya they also have a bud light car rapping scam in the us love you videos guy keep up the good work
I have to ask, excusing my ignorance, what is a 'car wrap scammer'? I am pretty cluey with scammers but this form of scamming is new to me.
25:38 I thought you were going to say you’d send him a picture of a whole other thing 😅
"trusted companies" lol that's a good one ash.
This happened to me!!!! They said they gave me more money because I needed to pay the people for the installation of the wrap🙄 I called the place listed on the check and they were a real company and knew about it