Bran for 7 seasons..."I don't want it" "I'm not a lord anymore" "I'm the new 3 eyed raven"..... season 8 last episode "that was my plan over all is to be king"..... wtf
These statements are technically and cryptically true. Bran didn't want to be anything other than a Lord or soldier and after the fall and becoming the three eyed raven he pretty much desired nothing. He was the new three eyed raven. There isn't a NK to hide from any longer. He doesn't have to be held up in a tree for nine hundred years to see things. This was never his plan, this was his already his fate. As stupid as much of the writing for Bran was towards the end my bigger question is why was he King period. Forget what he could or couldn't see, why him?!
A version of his kingship where he did merge with the godswood inside the Red Keep would have been more interesting that what we got. The knowledge that comes from the weirwoods could enhance and elevate all the seven kingdoms.
The final 2 seasons were crimes against humanity. The 'Long Night' was over in a blink. Dany's snap was unbelievable. 'Bran the Broken' was absurd. Such laziness by D&D should never be forgiven.
Long Night was the largest and most expensive night shoot in history, and an entire hour of nothing but fighting. Dany's snap was the most amazing moment in the history of television. Bran the Broken was the pinnacle of GOT and it's overall message on the role wisdom should play in human society, a role sadly lacking in the modern day.
@@SerbAtheist You're entitled to your opinion, although millions of GoT viewers worldwide would tell you it's wrong. Just realize that you're in the minority regarding this. If a poll was done, most likely something like 98% of viewers would say that the GoT's ending was absolute shit, and then there would be you among the 2% that either think it was good or didn't know how to respond.
The second dragon's death at the hands of Euron Greyjoy makes absolutely no sense... if only for the fact, that they would have seen the ships from miles and miles away.
@@georgeprchal3924 Ballista ranges are up to half a kilometer. They are not normally effective at that range but against a target the size of a dragon? Ballista are pretty accurate. That said, the ships should have been seen LONG before reaching half a kilometer away.
@@resarfekim : Does that also apply to their riders (especially when they get close to their destination)? Assuming she flies at an altitude of 1000 to 3000 ft she ought to be able to see the fleet from over 50 - 100 km distance. She could see the fleet 30 minutes to an hour before being in weapons range. And they would not be able to see her (too small at that distance). Of course we can factor in fog... but that would also mean, that the dragons are nigh invisible to the fleet as well. Yes, of course it's fantasy, but GRRM prouds himself somewhat to keep up a certain amout of realism.
I am absolutely done with the character assassination they did with Daenerys and Tyrion just to springboard Sansa and Arya. They botched Dany so bad that I wanna cry. And people use constantly say "Oh duh, she was always going to go crazy, didn't you see who her father was?" And they're using that as means of deflecting all criticism from an objectively bad development. Reminds me of Rian destroying Luke Skywalker in TLJ
This should be called “All the things your going to hate about Game of Thrones.” It was really good until around season 6, then everyone was like “f*ck it I forgot what this stories about.”
In the very first scene of this show a walker demonstrated that there was more to them than "killing anyone in their way". A walker went after the highborn and ignored the lowborn who was no threat. They just forgot about this like hundreds of other important plot points.
The character assassinations Dumb and Dumber carried out on this show still sends my blood boiling. 1. Tyrion suddenly lost all his wisdom and only ever seemed to say stupid things. 2. Dany suddenly became a blood-craving mad woman despite a strong character buildup that needed more than just her trust issues with Jon to destroy. 3. Jaime went from being a guy on the road to redemption to an idiot over an incestuous relationship. 4. Brienne of Tarth went from being a fierce warrior with a purpose to a blubbering woman who can't handle her man leaving. 5. Cersei who was known for her cunning and restless plotting only ever appeared to drink wine in the last season. I could go on and on. It really hurts still to know that this show went from being really great to end as such a stinker.
People who defend these character assassinations claim that this was GRRM’s vision when the truth is the show diverged too far from the books for anyone to draw that conclusion
Don't forget the continual buildup of John Snow vs The Night King only for Arya to kill him fairly easy. Or how he was always in prophecies but never fulfilled them.
@@madambutterfly1997 I think story wise it could be argued the magic the elves imbued into him was powerful enough to protect him from everything but the material that made him....dragon glass
@@wayneburgess5336 no actually it was theorized that Bran might have been inclined to warg into the human night king to tell the children of the forest to not change him into the night king to save the future, and similar to the hodor (hold the door) episode, bran would have been somehow “trapped” in the night kings mind. Hence the deep connections between the two throughout the series, such as the NK always knowing where bran was, even in bran’s visions. That would have given the NK a better origin story / depth vs the overly simplified effortless plot that was actually produced.
Arya killed the Waif, it’s implied when she cuts the candle making it dark, since she acclimated to being blind, and nothing leads us to think the Waif ever did…
The final test for the Arya and the Waif is they have to fight to the death. Arya wins. There is a scene where she puts the Waif's face on one of the shelves. That is when the Master Assassin tells her she has passed the test to become nobody, an assassin, but she decides to leave.
Benioff and Weiss kind of forgot about all of the plot threads that were introduced in the books and the show and develop them, but they certainly didn't forgot about them and backfired their careers that led them to being kicked out of Disney.
Arya didn't train at the house of the undying. She trained at the house of black and white. The house of the undying was in Qarth and it was where Daenerys found her kidnapped dragons.
I wondered the same thing about Sam and the Night Walkers, he somehow just lives even though he was clearly spotted and surrounded by an army of undead. Made no sense to me at all.
Rewatch the first scene of the show. A walker went after a highborn and let commoner who was no threat escape. They just dropped that plot point because they rushed the end and didnt have time to explain the walkers being more complex than "wanting to kill everyone cause their bad" marvel villain storyline.
@@danielbrown8812 Actually he went after Waymar Royce (who had the Stark look) and Will because they were prepared to fight with their swords. As warriors they saw it as a challenge. Gared never challenged them. He wasn't a threat and they let him go because they knew he would tell others. So, basically the WWs were saying Winter is Coming. I too thought that the most complex story was the WWs and it's probably the BEST story as backstories usually are. I sure hope GRRM finishes his books so that we get to know these stories and why there must always be a Stark in Winterfell. I love the Targaryans and the Dragons, but after that WTF moment when Dany birthed them, it's just not as interesting to me.
This video could have been cut down a lot by saying "the decisions they make after they depart from the books George RR Martin hasn't bothered to write yet, we're terrible."
To avoid the stupidity of all the wights pulling Viscerion out of the frozen lake, because u know, they can't swim, and couldn't attack Jon and co. because of this. The night king stands on the frozen lake, witb a lot of dead wights there from the previous litter battle, he raises his arms, as if to bring them back, whuch they do, but then Viscerion bursts through the ice, witb an almighty scream and we zoom in to see his eyes opening blue, cut to black. That's just 1 of the many silly things that could easily have been changed, like the ringing of the bells, lots of different things to do there. I know D and D can write some great stuff and its very easy for me or others to criticise, but season 8 had so many things that didn't fit with what we were told from season 1 to 7. A pity such a brilliant show, and it was brilliant, went out the way it did. I think once Dany landed in Westeros is when the show really fell apart. It was like once her struggle to get there was over, the show just changed. There was just something off with how they wrote Dany once in Westeros. Just never seemed to fit.
I think that Mellisandre was testing how far Stannis will go to 'ensure' that his army would win-She basically gaslighted and scammed him into murdering his own daughter-She wanted him to prove how loyal he was to her and to prove his 'faith' in her abilities
It's because of Ned's honour that he doesn't tell his wife. He promised his sister to keep Jon safe and so he's willing to suffer shame, his wife's anger, etc to fulfill that promise.
I loved the final season and think it's a masterpiece if I live to be 100 I will still feel outraged and disgusted by the idiotic backlash to GoT season 8.
@@Timothy27778 dude, they compressed 2 seasons down to 6 episodes. They butchered it. Some of the endings would have made more sense if they took the time to set them up.
@@rogaineablar5608 It was the ENDGAME. The Night King had a dragon and had broken through the wall, his army at full strength. The dragons were fully grown, Arya and Bran were at the peaks of their powers, Jon's true identity was exposed, Cersei's betrayal was complete. It was time for the show to finish. What exactly was supposed to happen in all these extra episodes? I can't even see how a single extra episode was needed. IT WAS THE END.
@@Timothy27778 I know that, duh. They just rushed the hell out of everything. The development arcs happened way too quickly to be believable and the Long Night should have lasted for a whole season. Piss-poor show running by D&D...
Things that make no sense: Cersei's REIGN. We're NEVER given any kind of real inspection on what it's like! We can assume it's horrible, but we're never shown. It's messed up, but I bet you had they gone into depth on it people might have cheered Dany on for burning King's Landing down. But even then, it doesn't make sense that she did when you go back to her character in prior seasons. She wanted to liberate the people. Why burn the whole city down when she could have flown her ass to Cersei, after destroying the ONE weapon that could take out her dragon, then cut the head off the snake?!
As for ned telling his wife the truth about jon that wouldn't be very smart,her knowing who jon really is puts jon in danger,it's known that she'd do anything for her kids,giving up information like that is nothing to her when she's desperate,so I think he did the right thing by not telling her,who he should've told sooner was jon himself
It’s a crime what they did to this show. Now when I rewatch, i stop after the S6 finale and just imagine Dany conquering the 7 with all 3 dragons in tact. Another annoyance is the actors who did interviews about the finale and defending the turn it took & calling fans spoiled. Knowing damn well this show was butchered
Ilyn Payne was on Arya's list but he disappears from her Kill List. Apparently the actor became ill and withdrew from the show, but his disappearance from her Kill List should have been explained.
The whole point of the books was John Snow being a Targaryen and he not only didn’t get to kill the Night King, he was banned, WTH. And then Dhanerys going nuts and getting stabbed - nah, sloppy hurriedly done last season. It was like a bunch of third graders set around and just made up crap. However, still upset with the books because he wrote in so many characters didn’t close out the main characters - they are still lost.
All flaws boils down to the simple fact that the show got ruined because D&d didn’t want to hand over the show to other writers and keep it going to have the show be under their name alone and work on Starwars which fortunately didn’t work out. Pure selfishness
They should’ve made it to where they were uncertain of the white walkers being gone forever and that’s why they still needed a nights watch. But they wouldn’t be able to squeeze that one bit of dialogue in the 3 episodes after the long night
Most of this list can be summed up with the fact that D&D didn't know how to write most of the characters once they passed the books. And they had to create their own ending to the series and they obviously don't have a lot of original ideas.
I’ve never known how D&D held so much power over hbo and grr Martin, both said publicly there was so much more material and money available but D & D refused them ?
The last one with Arya and The Hound was the only thing that made sense. The Hound already lost himself to his hatred of his brother. His change over 3 seasons started with Arya and his last action before ending the Mountain was to put Arya on another path. I think that was the only good thing to come out of season 8.
Let me tell you!! I bought the DVDs until the last season. I was so upset I can't look at my DVDs. Talk about a disappointment, the ending. I still can't
Bran being king and letting the North to be free because of the request of his sister does not make sense. The Iron Islands twice rebelled against the Iron Throne because they want to be independent, then at the end, they're just fine with North's independence while they remain in the Six Kingdoms.
Shireens sacrifice is what gave her the power to resurrect John. She needed kingsblood, she just got the purpose of the sacrifice wrong. Wasn't meant to let Stannis win, but to let her bring John back when she got to Castle Black. I felt like that was sort of obvious, but guess not.
The whole season 8 made no sense .. Because this show is supposed to be 13 season ... And Martin never finished his damn story so .. Doesn't really make any sense ...
I absolutely hate season 8 it basically ruined the characters of Dany and Tyrion and jamie plus it was to rushed you can tell that dan and dave didn't care anymore about the lore and mythology of the show 🤯😤😠😡🤬
@@tammymartinez7488 probably not but at least neither of them are stupid in the books. I just want to see a Targaryen Standoff: Dany with the Iron Men, Dothraki, Unsullied, a competent Tyrion, and 3 Dragons. Aegon with Dorn, the Golden Company, Storm's End. Jon with the North, Wildlings, and Stan the Man Baratheon.
Dany: Jon, you have yet to realize your importance...Join Me and together we can put an end to this destructive conflict and rule the Galaxy as Father and Son! Jon: I didn't follow any of that after "Importance" but I like you better than the rest of my "family."
Gendry should have been the real heir. I wish there was a reboot of season 8. In this season, we would need 10 episodes so we could wrap it up, or a ninth season. The Long Night must be better written above all, and Daenerys turning mad must be better brought.
I liked Johns ending. He only got sentenced to the "knights watch" to trick the unsullied so they would think it was a punishment. Really its what Jon wanted all along. Its where he belongs. Now he is north of the wall leading his people. He basically becomes the new king beyond the wall.
If you read the books it's clear why it fell apart. The first 5 seasons are almost word for word translations of the book material, cutting scenes and dialogue to fit within 10 hour seasons. Seasons 6-8 were written by the show runners and their staff, and because there were more and more rushed for time, the quality suffered increasingly.
@@jerrydrouillard oh I don't doubt that but they are completely unrealistic for GoT, especially to have 4 huge lengths conveniently available to the NK.
It’s so sad that a great show (first few seasons) from even greater source material will go down history for its clumsy mistakes and embarrassing flaws…
The only reason the White Walkers were able to get Viserion from the water was because they forgot that they can't swim. Bronn might be the best master of coin because when Tyrion said you have to pay it back and Bronn said what if I don't so therefore he wont repay the debts, The White Walker probably left Sam alone to pass the word to Man that the army of the dead is marching and it is very large, they let the Guy from the Nights Watch live in the very first episode.
Just started watching GoT over again today and this came out lol. I also wondered why Ned didn’t at least tell his wife about Jon’s true identity. But every thing is so great in starting seasons, where the show is very slow paced and everything is more logical.
Ned wasn't her first or only Love.... His brother actually was. Cat and Ned's marriage was arranged when Brandon was killed by the Mad King. The first few years of their marriage was spent apart as Ned fought in many wars with Robert. By the time he was home for a bit, he was nevertheless worried that the truth of Jon's parentage would get out. The Point wasn't to just keep Cat in the Dark, but Jon as well. It's also implied that Grief and loss wasn't something that Ned was good at dealing with.
The babies are infused with power and turned by the night king. They become white walkers who in a way are generals for the night king's army. Able to raise undead (wights) and build up the army without needing the night king to be everywhere at once.
Is it me or are most of these issues from later seasons? If not solely the last season. No wonder Martin isn't keen on finishing the books after seeing how badly it can end.
No you’re right, that’s the point- the writers rushed the ending and tried to make it unpredictable, but in doing so subverted a lot of the long-developed plotlines
Yeah, all those Dothraki showing up after capturing King's Landing made no sense at all and was an obvious blunder. That is an excellent observation about the time/space: in the first episode they made it clear how long the journey from Winterfell to King's Landing was, then it later appears to be a brief journey. Yes, Ned should have told his wife the truth about Jon, she deserved to know her husband didn't cheat on her, and Jon didn't need to be treated the way he was. I know it's debatable about when the show went wrong, but I think the writers fell in love with "gotcha!" moments and surprising fans of outcomes they didn't expect, instead of giving fans the ending they wanted and deserved. No one wanted to see Daenerys flip out and become the evil she swore not to be, and everyone wanted to see Arya kill Cersei.
Because for some reason all of the blonde characters in the books were played by dark haired actors. Lena Headey is naturally brown haired, yet she gets cast as the blonde, blue eyed Cersei. Emilia Ckarke has dark hair gets cast as Daenerys. In the books Sansa has black hair, but for some reason they cast her as Sophie Turner.
The wall was not just to protect the north from white walkers, it was to protect them from the "free folk". Also the white walker stared at Sam, but you could argue that it did nothing because did not see him as a threat. You could also argue that since Sam is the storyteller, he simply made this up to embellish his own story in the retelling - assuming you believe Sam is the writer of The Song of Ice and Fire. Needless to say, I agree with all the rest of the points. Very disappointing end to a great story.
Probably read the books at least 5 times, I still don’t see the foreshadowing of Danny’s decent into madness. She was cruel at times, isn’t that one of the disadvantages of monarchy in general? And because her father was mad does not mean she would be mad, genetics doesn’t align so predictably. If anything, it is a marvel she still had some decency in most of her chapters. But as far as monarchs go, there’s nothing mad about Danny in my opinion. She is a young woman learning how to rule, let us not forget she went through shit. I don’t buy the Danny theory, book or Tv. I need convincing.
This list reaffirms the obvious problem with the show. The show runners are garbage without the books to guide them. As soon as they got ahead of the books, the writing quality fell off a cliff and plot holes multiplied. Notice how most of this is AFTER they got ahead of the books?
Sansa being named Queen of the North, isn’t a “junior crown,” or whatever you said. She never wants to leave the North because, historically, terrible things happen to Starks that head South. Even in her own personal experience, bad things happen to her as a result of leaving. This is EXACTLY what she wanted.
My personal biggest issues - Jamie’s complete character regression in the final episode. - the incest between Daenerys and John that we’re just supposed to be cool with - Bran’s entire character past episode one (best story my ass) - Daenerys Mad Queen switch (again - erasing almost all character development) - How the hell Sam got away from the White Walkers
1) Jamie didn't regress, but advanced from a cynical bastard to a true night who does his duty and from merely lusting after Cersei to truly loving her for all her faults. 2) Who says you're supposed to be cool with Jonaerys incest? Jon certainly wasn't. 3) Bran's story is the best, the epitome of GOT and not without accident is he the first POV character. The fact he is in a passive roal is immaterial. He is the goal of the story and not the engine. He is the one people died to save so he could use his widsom and knowledge to lead Westeros into a better future. 4) Dany was the Mad Queen since the end of S1, when she reveled in the screams of an innocent rape victim. 5) That's the sword you wanna die on?
This show is basically fanfiction gone wrong. They adapted a story that wasn't theirs in the first place, but treated it like it WAS their story--- adding, changing, cutting whatever they wanted and making it so very different from the books--- and as a result, rammed it flaming and broken into the ground. Kinda like King's Landing..... Heartbreaking, infuriating and nonsensical all at the same time....
I watched season 8 as far as the night king dying and didn't bother with the last 2 episodes. The last 2 episodes were ridiculous. Bran did nearly nothing in them,so making him king was stupid.
Stopped watching after the red priestess bit showed you hadn't actually watched the series! She didn't KNOW she could revive people and in any case it wasn't her doing it , but her god acting through her as she and the other red priests had already explained several times. You'd do better to watch and pay attention to a series before posting vids about it. :(
For retrieving viseryion, my guess is the Giants were carrying them. Also all they would have to do is dip the hooks in the water while feeding and dragging the chains while rotating the lake. Eventually the hooks would catch something large, presumably the Dragon's head, and they'd use their numbers to pull it into land. That was one of the minor plot holes though.
Ha! Try rewatching the series again - you'll get a whole new burn of hatred trying to! Also, when you go back and rewatch Cersei's "evolution" you'll have a refreshed rage over her undeserved end and Jaime's idiocy. It made more sense for him to kill her then himself!
How about how Sansa went from being one of the most brainless characters not being able to see even the most obviously guessed betrayals to suddenly flipping a switch and being one of the smartest and a good battle strategist while almost at the same exact time Tyron and Jon are two of the smartest and best strategists suddenly make stupid mistake after stupid mistake and can't see what's in front of them. It's like the characters suddenly switched minds right before the battle of the bastards.
The ridiculous tactics used at both the Battle of the Bastards and the Battle of Winterfell. They probably could have got some career military officers as technical advisors for free.
This show could of been the greatest show of all time ever.. but some episodes in season 6 and 7 destroyed that.. it felt so rushed when it didn’t have to be.. I don’t know it if was ending of contracts or different schedules. It was just piss poor..
If Ned told Catelyn about Jon's true parents, she would've treated him completely differently and that would easily set off alarm bells. The truth would come out waaaay sooner. Catelyn not knowing and legitimately hating Jon makes Ned's lie that much more believable.
@@LBF522 Sansa becoming queen in the end only added to my frustration with the show tbh. It made little sense in the way it was presented. What did she do to earn her place as queen? Hell at least Dany went out and fought for the north. Sansa hid in the crypts.
What do you think is the worst moment from "Game of Thrones"?
Bran being announced the King... Dany deciding to destroy the kingdom instead of ruling like a true queen.. a lot more
You guys making this nonsensical episode. Most of what makes no sense here is you not understanding what makes no sense.
Season 8
The last 2 episodes of Season 8.
How about the entire series finale?
1. HBO not firing D&D when they told HBO they needed only a few episodes to finish the series because they wanted to go do their star wars project.
I wonder how that worked out for them...
They lost the chance to direct their own star wars trilogy because of how bad it was
Bran for 7 seasons..."I don't want it" "I'm not a lord anymore" "I'm the new 3 eyed raven"..... season 8 last episode "that was my plan over all is to be king"..... wtf
These statements are technically and cryptically true.
Bran didn't want to be anything other than a Lord or soldier and after the fall and becoming the three eyed raven he pretty much desired nothing.
He was the new three eyed raven. There isn't a NK to hide from any longer. He doesn't have to be held up in a tree for nine hundred years to see things.
This was never his plan, this was his already his fate.
As stupid as much of the writing for Bran was towards the end my bigger question is why was he King period. Forget what he could or couldn't see, why him?!
A version of his kingship where he did merge with the godswood inside the Red Keep would have been more interesting that what we got. The knowledge that comes from the weirwoods could enhance and elevate all the seven kingdoms.
Got deserves an alternative ending.
Call Zach Snyder
it would have if the old fart complete the book
The alternative season 8 written by Alice Shipwise is pretty good 👍
Not alternative
It needs the real ending that Martin wrote not some fanfic D&D put out together
It will with the books
I can’t watch this
I will get pissed all over again
If “pissed”, translates to, “drunk”... I’m with ya!
Lol me too!
Damn, you’re right I’m clicking out now, thanks for saving me some aggravation.
The final 2 seasons were crimes against humanity. The 'Long Night' was over in a blink. Dany's snap was unbelievable. 'Bran the Broken' was absurd. Such laziness by D&D should never be forgiven.
Long Night was the largest and most expensive night shoot in history, and an entire hour of nothing but fighting. Dany's snap was the most amazing moment in the history of television. Bran the Broken was the pinnacle of GOT and it's overall message on the role wisdom should play in human society, a role sadly lacking in the modern day.
@@SerbAtheist Jesus man... you couldn't be more wrong.
@@ivanb4681 that’s dnd
@@SerbAtheist You're entitled to your opinion, although millions of GoT viewers worldwide would tell you it's wrong. Just realize that you're in the minority regarding this. If a poll was done, most likely something like 98% of viewers would say that the GoT's ending was absolute shit, and then there would be you among the 2% that either think it was good or didn't know how to respond.
@@itman190???
The second dragon's death at the hands of Euron Greyjoy makes absolutely no sense... if only for the fact, that they would have seen the ships from miles and miles away.
Agreed
And what is the effect range of medieval fantasy ballista? Seriously it's not CIWS or an anti-air missile system.
@@georgeprchal3924 Ballista ranges are up to half a kilometer. They are not normally effective at that range but against a target the size of a dragon? Ballista are pretty accurate. That said, the ships should have been seen LONG before reaching half a kilometer away.
In much the same way that dogs can't look up, dragons can't look down.
@@resarfekim : Does that also apply to their riders (especially when they get close to their destination)?
Assuming she flies at an altitude of 1000 to 3000 ft she ought to be able to see the fleet from over 50 - 100 km distance.
She could see the fleet 30 minutes to an hour before being in weapons range. And they would not be able to see her (too small at that distance).
Of course we can factor in fog... but that would also mean, that the dragons are nigh invisible to the fleet as well.
Yes, of course it's fantasy, but GRRM prouds himself somewhat to keep up a certain amout of realism.
I am absolutely done with the character assassination they did with Daenerys and Tyrion just to springboard Sansa and Arya. They botched Dany so bad that I wanna cry. And people use constantly say "Oh duh, she was always going to go crazy, didn't you see who her father was?" And they're using that as means of deflecting all criticism from an objectively bad development. Reminds me of Rian destroying Luke Skywalker in TLJ
I shouted BAD FORM at her lol
I did cry. I cried so bad when that injustice to Dany happened. Dumb and Dumber really fvcked up her character.
the whole season was trash they gave up on it to do disney show which got cancelled
@@joyboy6535 specifically they wanted to get into Star Wars. But Kathleen Kennedy did something right for once and said no to dumb and dumber
I would say just as bad was the handling of Jamie. The entire show could just as well have been about his character arc, then they threw it all away.
When a show is ruined because the showrunners rushed two seasons into 3 episodes
and yet those episodes were still half filler 😐😒
@@scottslotterbeck3796 and the "long night"
“Makes absolutely no sense” is a perfect description of D&D writing👎🏻
This should be called “All the things your going to hate about Game of Thrones.” It was really good until around season 6, then everyone was like “f*ck it I forgot what this stories about.”
In the very first scene of this show a walker demonstrated that there was more to them than "killing anyone in their way". A walker went after the highborn and ignored the lowborn who was no threat. They just forgot about this like hundreds of other important plot points.
The character assassinations Dumb and Dumber carried out on this show still sends my blood boiling.
1. Tyrion suddenly lost all his wisdom and only ever seemed to say stupid things.
2. Dany suddenly became a blood-craving mad woman despite a strong character buildup that needed more than just her trust issues with Jon to destroy.
3. Jaime went from being a guy on the road to redemption to an idiot over an incestuous relationship.
4. Brienne of Tarth went from being a fierce warrior with a purpose to a blubbering woman who can't handle her man leaving.
5. Cersei who was known for her cunning and restless plotting only ever appeared to drink wine in the last season.
I could go on and on. It really hurts still to know that this show went from being really great to end as such a stinker.
People who defend these character assassinations claim that this was GRRM’s vision when the truth is the show diverged too far from the books for anyone to draw that conclusion
Don't forget the continual buildup of John Snow vs The Night King only for Arya to kill him fairly easy. Or how he was always in prophecies but never fulfilled them.
@@dbszady or how the night King was immune to Dragonfire
@@madambutterfly1997 I think story wise it could be argued the magic the elves imbued into him was powerful enough to protect him from everything but the material that made him....dragon glass
Jon became stupid. And eff his cousins, family my ass. Ned keeps his word for 30 years, Sansa can't manage 30 minutes?
For a show that built so much character development and storylines, they just ruined everything in the last season.
Bran should have been the night king. Period.
That would have been so cool oh my gosh
What’s bran
@@tacoswelding8411 how’s bran
That would be cool. But that would have made LESS sense..
@@wayneburgess5336 no actually it was theorized that Bran might have been inclined to warg into the human night king to tell the children of the forest to not change him into the night king to save the future, and similar to the hodor (hold the door) episode, bran would have been somehow “trapped” in the night kings mind. Hence the deep connections between the two throughout the series, such as the NK always knowing where bran was, even in bran’s visions. That would have given the NK a better origin story / depth vs the overly simplified effortless plot that was actually produced.
They didn’t care about logic anymore, they just wanted shock factor 🙄
Arya killed the Waif, it’s implied when she cuts the candle making it dark, since she acclimated to being blind, and nothing leads us to think the Waif ever did…
The final test for the Arya and the Waif is they have to fight to the death. Arya wins. There is a scene where she puts the Waif's face on one of the shelves. That is when the Master Assassin tells her she has passed the test to become nobody, an assassin, but she decides to leave.
If a there is a remake of season 7 and 8 , please make sure that D.Benioff & D.B.Weiss will be the Frey brothers
Good one
Do a full final season lore style animation once the books are finished bring back all the actors for voicing
16:36 - Arya trains at the “House of black and white”, not the “house of the undying” 👍🏻
Benioff and Weiss kind of forgot about all of the plot threads that were introduced in the books and the show and develop them, but they certainly didn't forgot about them and backfired their careers that led them to being kicked out of Disney.
‘Kind of forgot’, or didn’t care...
@@OcarinaSapphr- they obviously kind of forgot.
Arya didn't train at the house of the undying. She trained at the house of black and white. The house of the undying was in Qarth and it was where Daenerys found her kidnapped dragons.
house of the undying. who said she trained there ?
I wondered the same thing about Sam and the Night Walkers, he somehow just lives even though he was clearly spotted and surrounded by an army of undead. Made no sense to me at all.
Rewatch the first scene of the show. A walker went after a highborn and let commoner who was no threat escape. They just dropped that plot point because they rushed the end and didnt have time to explain the walkers being more complex than "wanting to kill everyone cause their bad" marvel villain storyline.
@@danielbrown8812 Actually he went after Waymar Royce (who had the Stark look) and Will because they were prepared to fight with their swords. As warriors they saw it as a challenge. Gared never challenged them. He wasn't a threat and they let him go because they knew he would tell others. So, basically the WWs were saying Winter is Coming. I too thought that the most complex story was the WWs and it's probably the BEST story as backstories usually are. I sure hope GRRM finishes his books so that we get to know these stories and why there must always be a Stark in Winterfell. I love the Targaryans and the Dragons, but after that WTF moment when Dany birthed them, it's just not as interesting to me.
This video could have been cut down a lot by saying "the decisions they make after they depart from the books George RR Martin hasn't bothered to write yet, we're terrible."
To avoid the stupidity of all the wights pulling Viscerion out of the frozen lake, because u know, they can't swim, and couldn't attack Jon and co. because of this. The night king stands on the frozen lake, witb a lot of dead wights there from the previous litter battle, he raises his arms, as if to bring them back, whuch they do, but then Viscerion bursts through the ice, witb an almighty scream and we zoom in to see his eyes opening blue, cut to black. That's just 1 of the many silly things that could easily have been changed, like the ringing of the bells, lots of different things to do there. I know D and D can write some great stuff and its very easy for me or others to criticise, but season 8 had so many things that didn't fit with what we were told from season 1 to 7. A pity such a brilliant show, and it was brilliant, went out the way it did.
I think once Dany landed in Westeros is when the show really fell apart. It was like once her struggle to get there was over, the show just changed. There was just something off with how they wrote Dany once in Westeros. Just never seemed to fit.
I think that Mellisandre was testing how far Stannis will go to 'ensure' that his army would win-She basically gaslighted and scammed him into murdering his own daughter-She wanted him to prove how loyal he was to her and to prove his 'faith' in her abilities
It's because of Ned's honour that he doesn't tell his wife. He promised his sister to keep Jon safe and so he's willing to suffer shame, his wife's anger, etc to fulfill that promise.
I am still upset about how this epic show fell apart. If I live to be 100 I will still be bitching about it
I loved the final season and think it's a masterpiece if I live to be 100 I will still feel outraged and disgusted by the idiotic backlash to GoT season 8.
@@Timothy27778 dude, they compressed 2 seasons down to 6 episodes. They butchered it. Some of the endings would have made more sense if they took the time to set them up.
@@rogaineablar5608 It was the ENDGAME. The Night King had a dragon and had broken through the wall, his army at full strength. The dragons were fully grown, Arya and Bran were at the peaks of their powers, Jon's true identity was exposed, Cersei's betrayal was complete. It was time for the show to finish. What exactly was supposed to happen in all these extra episodes? I can't even see how a single extra episode was needed. IT WAS THE END.
@@Timothy27778 I know that, duh. They just rushed the hell out of everything. The development arcs happened way too quickly to be believable and the Long Night should have lasted for a whole season. Piss-poor show running by D&D...
@@rogaineablar5608 They didn't rush anything. Everyone who says the show was 'rushed' is an idiot.
Kit Harrington couldn’t show too much affection for Daenerys. His wife would’ve gone full wildling on him.
lmfao haha
Things that make no sense: Cersei's REIGN. We're NEVER given any kind of real inspection on what it's like! We can assume it's horrible, but we're never shown. It's messed up, but I bet you had they gone into depth on it people might have cheered Dany on for burning King's Landing down. But even then, it doesn't make sense that she did when you go back to her character in prior seasons. She wanted to liberate the people. Why burn the whole city down when she could have flown her ass to Cersei, after destroying the ONE weapon that could take out her dragon, then cut the head off the snake?!
As for ned telling his wife the truth about jon that wouldn't be very smart,her knowing who jon really is puts jon in danger,it's known that she'd do anything for her kids,giving up information like that is nothing to her when she's desperate,so I think he did the right thing by not telling her,who he should've told sooner was jon himself
It’s a crime what they did to this show. Now when I rewatch, i stop after the S6 finale and just imagine Dany conquering the 7 with all 3 dragons in tact.
Another annoyance is the actors who did interviews about the finale and defending the turn it took & calling fans spoiled. Knowing damn well this show was butchered
She still burns it all. The End.
Ilyn Payne was on Arya's list but he disappears from her Kill List. Apparently the actor became ill and withdrew from the show, but his disappearance from her Kill List should have been explained.
The whole point of the books was John Snow being a Targaryen and he not only didn’t get to kill the Night King, he was banned, WTH. And then Dhanerys going nuts and getting stabbed - nah, sloppy hurriedly done last season. It was like a bunch of third graders set around and just made up crap. However, still upset with the books because he wrote in so many characters didn’t close out the main characters - they are still lost.
All flaws boils down to the simple fact that the show got ruined because D&d didn’t want to hand over the show to other writers and keep it going to have the show be under their name alone and work on Starwars which fortunately didn’t work out. Pure selfishness
They should’ve made it to where they were uncertain of the white walkers being gone forever and that’s why they still needed a nights watch. But they wouldn’t be able to squeeze that one bit of dialogue in the 3 episodes after the long night
All can be answered by: “she just kind of forgot about the iron fleet”
Most of this list can be summed up with the fact that D&D didn't know how to write most of the characters once they passed the books. And they had to create their own ending to the series and they obviously don't have a lot of original ideas.
I’ve never known how D&D held so much power over hbo and grr Martin, both said publicly there was so much more material and money available but D & D refused them ?
@@scottslotterbeck3796 yeah I seen that , any idea why HBO just didn’t bring in a different show runner ? 🤷🏼♂️
The last one with Arya and The Hound was the only thing that made sense. The Hound already lost himself to his hatred of his brother. His change over 3 seasons started with Arya and his last action before ending the Mountain was to put Arya on another path. I think that was the only good thing to come out of season 8.
Let me tell you!! I bought the DVDs until the last season. I was so upset I can't look at my DVDs. Talk about a disappointment, the ending. I still can't
Bran being king and letting the North to be free because of the request of his sister does not make sense. The Iron Islands twice rebelled against the Iron Throne because they want to be independent, then at the end, they're just fine with North's independence while they remain in the Six Kingdoms.
They should have all just gone back to being separate kingdoms, except the river lands, that place is the Netherlands of westeros.
@@georgeprchal3924 and the Reach.
The Hightowes must have it
Shireens sacrifice is what gave her the power to resurrect John. She needed kingsblood, she just got the purpose of the sacrifice wrong. Wasn't meant to let Stannis win, but to let her bring John back when she got to Castle Black. I felt like that was sort of obvious, but guess not.
The whole season 8 made no sense ..
Because this show is supposed to be 13 season ...
And Martin never finished his damn story so ..
Doesn't really make any sense ...
I have to question the thoroughness of this video at only 18 minutes long. UNLESS the last 5 seconds say, "aaand seasons 7 and 8."
I absolutely hate season 8 it basically ruined the characters of Dany and Tyrion and jamie plus it was to rushed you can tell that dan and dave didn't care anymore about the lore and mythology of the show 🤯😤😠😡🤬
John and Dani sharing the throne woukd have made more sense!
Yes I definitely would had love to had seen this 😊
Come on read the books! Book readers know there will be no Jon/ Dany happily ever after!
@@tammymartinez7488 probably not but at least neither of them are stupid in the books. I just want to see a Targaryen Standoff:
Dany with the Iron Men, Dothraki, Unsullied, a competent Tyrion, and 3 Dragons.
Aegon with Dorn, the Golden Company, Storm's End.
Jon with the North, Wildlings, and Stan the Man Baratheon.
Dany: Jon, you have yet to realize your importance...Join Me and together we can put an end to this destructive conflict and rule the Galaxy as Father and Son!
Jon: I didn't follow any of that after "Importance" but I like you better than the rest of my "family."
@@georgeprchal3924 I'l sorry but the north is with Stannis
Gendry should have been the real heir. I wish there was a reboot of season 8. In this season, we would need 10 episodes so we could wrap it up, or a ninth season. The Long Night must be better written above all, and Daenerys turning mad must be better brought.
Watching this video just pissed me off again. It took a while to forget but thanks for reopening old wounds.
On number 2 I would have used Davos's quote instead at Blackwater: "I've never known bells to mean surrender." Just thought it fits better
I don't know if GoT is the best or worst show i watched. It was my favorite but damn i was so disappointed with last 2 seasons
This makes literally no sense.
I also have that same feeling about the show 😤😱
I liked Johns ending. He only got sentenced to the "knights watch" to trick the unsullied so they would think it was a punishment. Really its what Jon wanted all along. Its where he belongs. Now he is north of the wall leading his people. He basically becomes the new king beyond the wall.
No show has ever built itself up like GoT only to fall apart so rapidly. It just shows that the writing is more important than anything else.
Lost?
If you read the books it's clear why it fell apart. The first 5 seasons are almost word for word translations of the book material, cutting scenes and dialogue to fit within 10 hour seasons. Seasons 6-8 were written by the show runners and their staff, and because there were more and more rushed for time, the quality suffered increasingly.
@@ragincajun212 It’s sad, because up until that point, GoT was an amazing show (one of the best ever). But then seasons 7 & 8 happened 😭🤬🥶
magically multiplying dothraki. well wtf moment
Parks and Rec:
Leslie: Game of Thrones series finale is on tonight! Khaleesi is marrying Jack Sparrow!
That would have honestly been a better ending.
Seems to me the White Walkers just did not want Sam to be part of their army. That's why hè survived everything. Sam won by being a loser.
GoT was in my top 3 list everytime. Then season 8 happened!
The chains are anchor chains from ships. How the white walkers got them is a mystery.
Those are way too big to be ship chains.... maybe a WWII aircraft carrier, but not a ship from that period.
@@rogaineablar5608 they may not be period correct, but having served in the Navy those are definitely anchor chains
@@jerrydrouillard oh I don't doubt that but they are completely unrealistic for GoT, especially to have 4 huge lengths conveniently available to the NK.
Danny kinda forgot about the iron fleet
She’s not a good leader!
It’s so sad that a great show (first few seasons) from even greater source material will go down history for its clumsy mistakes and embarrassing flaws…
There's a mistake at 16:30. The House of the Undying is home to the warlocks and is located in Qarth. Arya never trained there.
The only reason the White Walkers were able to get Viserion from the water was because they forgot that they can't swim. Bronn might be the best master of coin because when Tyrion said you have to pay it back and Bronn said what if I don't so therefore he wont repay the debts, The White Walker probably left Sam alone to pass the word to Man that the army of the dead is marching and it is very large, they let the Guy from the Nights Watch live in the very first episode.
John has king blood so that’s how he was revived with the blood magic
U guys gotta check out Maulers unbridled rage on the final season on his channel in TH-cam
Just started watching GoT over again today and this came out lol. I also wondered why Ned didn’t at least tell his wife about Jon’s true identity. But every thing is so great in starting seasons, where the show is very slow paced and everything is more logical.
Ned wasn't her first or only Love.... His brother actually was. Cat and Ned's marriage was arranged when Brandon was killed by the Mad King. The first few years of their marriage was spent apart as Ned fought in many wars with Robert. By the time he was home for a bit, he was nevertheless worried that the truth of Jon's parentage would get out. The Point wasn't to just keep Cat in the Dark, but Jon as well. It's also implied that Grief and loss wasn't something that Ned was good at dealing with.
Because Catelyn is the worst and would have turned Jon into the gestapo first chance she got.
Facts … messed up sons advantage by releasing Jamie
The white Walker baby always confused the hell out of me
The babies are infused with power and turned by the night king. They become white walkers who in a way are generals for the night king's army. Able to raise undead (wights) and build up the army without needing the night king to be everywhere at once.
Is it me or are most of these issues from later seasons? If not solely the last season. No wonder Martin isn't keen on finishing the books after seeing how badly it can end.
No you’re right, that’s the point- the writers rushed the ending and tried to make it unpredictable, but in doing so subverted a lot of the long-developed plotlines
This show was so amazing and they ruined it so bad it's tragic
The waif gets killed by Arya....
Yeah, all those Dothraki showing up after capturing King's Landing made no sense at all and was an obvious blunder. That is an excellent observation about the time/space: in the first episode they made it clear how long the journey from Winterfell to King's Landing was, then it later appears to be a brief journey. Yes, Ned should have told his wife the truth about Jon, she deserved to know her husband didn't cheat on her, and Jon didn't need to be treated the way he was.
I know it's debatable about when the show went wrong, but I think the writers fell in love with "gotcha!" moments and surprising fans of outcomes they didn't expect, instead of giving fans the ending they wanted and deserved. No one wanted to see Daenerys flip out and become the evil she swore not to be, and everyone wanted to see Arya kill Cersei.
Another puzzling issue for me was why the Mother of Dragons had white hair on her head and black eyebrows… 😂🔥
Because for some reason all of the blonde characters in the books were played by dark haired actors. Lena Headey is naturally brown haired, yet she gets cast as the blonde, blue eyed Cersei. Emilia Ckarke has dark hair gets cast as Daenerys. In the books Sansa has black hair, but for some reason they cast her as Sophie Turner.
Such a great show for such a mess up ending.
The fact Jon's Parents were kept secret isn't unbelievable, it happens in real-life all the time...
If the dothraki always followed the leader who killed the former leader, then why didn't they follow Jon Snow?
The wall was not just to protect the north from white walkers, it was to protect them from the "free folk". Also the white walker stared at Sam, but you could argue that it did nothing because did not see him as a threat. You could also argue that since Sam is the storyteller, he simply made this up to embellish his own story in the retelling - assuming you believe Sam is the writer of The Song of Ice and Fire. Needless to say, I agree with all the rest of the points. Very disappointing end to a great story.
Probably read the books at least 5 times, I still don’t see the foreshadowing of Danny’s decent into madness. She was cruel at times, isn’t that one of the disadvantages of monarchy in general? And because her father was mad does not mean she would be mad, genetics doesn’t align so predictably. If anything, it is a marvel she still had some decency in most of her chapters. But as far as monarchs go, there’s nothing mad about Danny in my opinion. She is a young woman learning how to rule, let us not forget she went through shit. I don’t buy the Danny theory, book or Tv. I need convincing.
Genetics unfortunately does line up this way
Agree there’s been great Targaryen kings and awful Targaryen kings. Madness is not a hereditary trait, it’s all about upbringing.
This list reaffirms the obvious problem with the show. The show runners are garbage without the books to guide them. As soon as they got ahead of the books, the writing quality fell off a cliff and plot holes multiplied. Notice how most of this is AFTER they got ahead of the books?
Sansa being named Queen of the North, isn’t a “junior crown,” or whatever you said.
She never wants to leave the North because, historically, terrible things happen to Starks that head South. Even in her own personal experience, bad things happen to her as a result of leaving.
This is EXACTLY what she wanted.
My personal biggest issues
- Jamie’s complete character regression in the final episode.
- the incest between Daenerys and John that we’re just supposed to be cool with
- Bran’s entire character past episode one (best story my ass)
- Daenerys Mad Queen switch (again - erasing almost all character development)
- How the hell Sam got away from the White Walkers
1) Jamie didn't regress, but advanced from a cynical bastard to a true night who does his duty and from merely lusting after Cersei to truly loving her for all her faults.
2) Who says you're supposed to be cool with Jonaerys incest? Jon certainly wasn't.
3) Bran's story is the best, the epitome of GOT and not without accident is he the first POV character. The fact he is in a passive roal is immaterial. He is the goal of the story and not the engine. He is the one people died to save so he could use his widsom and knowledge to lead Westeros into a better future.
4) Dany was the Mad Queen since the end of S1, when she reveled in the screams of an innocent rape victim.
5) That's the sword you wanna die on?
Bran had a great story in season 4
This show is basically fanfiction gone wrong. They adapted a story that wasn't theirs in the first place, but treated it like it WAS their story--- adding, changing, cutting whatever they wanted and making it so very different from the books--- and as a result, rammed it flaming and broken into the ground. Kinda like King's Landing.....
Heartbreaking, infuriating and nonsensical all at the same time....
I had my appendix taken out .. and I couldn't sit up for a week .. no way Arya could swim in a dirt filled canal and run away
I watched season 8 as far as the night king dying and didn't bother with the last 2 episodes. The last 2 episodes were ridiculous. Bran did nearly nothing in them,so making him king was stupid.
The entire last season didn't make sense. They messed up epically.
Milesandra did not bring back John from the dead she explained that she doesn't have the power before the battle of the bastards.
Stopped watching after the red priestess bit showed you hadn't actually watched the series! She didn't KNOW she could revive people and in any case it wasn't her doing it , but her god acting through her as she and the other red priests had already explained several times. You'd do better to watch and pay attention to a series before posting vids about it. :(
For retrieving viseryion, my guess is the Giants were carrying them. Also all they would have to do is dip the hooks in the water while feeding and dragging the chains while rotating the lake. Eventually the hooks would catch something large, presumably the Dragon's head, and they'd use their numbers to pull it into land.
That was one of the minor plot holes though.
Everything after season 5!!
Hey now, we got to see the sand snakes die at least, that was a high point of season 7.
Ha! Try rewatching the series again - you'll get a whole new burn of hatred trying to! Also, when you go back and rewatch Cersei's "evolution" you'll have a refreshed rage over her undeserved end and Jaime's idiocy. It made more sense for him to kill her then himself!
How about how Sansa went from being one of the most brainless characters not being able to see even the most obviously guessed betrayals to suddenly flipping a switch and being one of the smartest and a good battle strategist while almost at the same exact time Tyron and Jon are two of the smartest and best strategists suddenly make stupid mistake after stupid mistake and can't see what's in front of them. It's like the characters suddenly switched minds right before the battle of the bastards.
The ridiculous tactics used at both the Battle of the Bastards and the Battle of Winterfell. They probably could have got some career military officers as technical advisors for free.
This show could of been the greatest show of all time ever.. but some episodes in season 6 and 7 destroyed that.. it felt so rushed when it didn’t have to be.. I don’t know it if was ending of contracts or different schedules. It was just piss poor..
Arya didn’t train at the house of the undying - that’s in Qarth. She trained at the house of black and white.
I always questioned the time space🤣 like if you look at map of Westeros everything is pretty spaced out
Thanks, I'm mad again.
The show runners lost their way after the show ran ahead of the books. The last few seasons were a joke story and plot wise.
If Ned told Catelyn about Jon's true parents, she would've treated him completely differently and that would easily set off alarm bells. The truth would come out waaaay sooner. Catelyn not knowing and legitimately hating Jon makes Ned's lie that much more believable.
Just say the whole last 2 seasons ok
We all know the last season didn't make sense 😢
It’s always easy to see who didn’t actually watch and know the shows before narrating videos like these.
Ummmm....the waif is dead...Arya killed her...that was the waif's face she was placing in the temple.
Thanks for reminding me that this show in the end was an extremely successful failure and there is no need for another watch through.
Sansa becoming Queen of the North made the series finale not a complete waste.
@@LBF522 Sansa becoming queen in the end only added to my frustration with the show tbh. It made little sense in the way it was presented. What did she do to earn her place as queen? Hell at least Dany went out and fought for the north. Sansa hid in the crypts.
@@ajanisgreat Sansa got an army to help John retrieve Winterfell and ended the Ramsey's reign of terror.