Exactly ! Actually mentioned that on Bitwit's video. Unfortunately can't leave the link, the comment gets deleted. What was a very good 2021 April Fool's joke, it just got (almost) real. Huge cards to match their respective power consumption and price.
I agree man, I'm a 35 year old with a home, family, and career. I don't want my PC to look like a tricked out 2002 Honda civic with rainbow under lights. I'd prefer a box that cools well and has a more sophisticated look to it. I begrudgingly buy a lot of the "gamer" marketed hardware simply due to the performance of them or the featureset on them (eg, I love Asus's OC switcher) but I'd really prefer if they looked sleek rather than trying to look like a transformer.
Ive given up on the cases, nothing ever fits perfectly and you end up paying to solve problems. Now I'm using 2020 aluminum extrusion and picking up 3-5mm thick aluminium sheets off eBay. Making some lovely sleek cases. Kinda late 80's themed with all the black metal, some of those vacuum tube aida64 displays from Ali express and a whole lot of chrome parts and brushed brass. Ohh and copper tinted window side panel 😍. more late 80's than mid 90', executive themed I guess 😂 but mainly compact. I hate big pc's, unnecessary and they look cheap and badly (no thought) designed. You can get it all into a case the same dimensions as an atx board if you get to choose where the main parts go.
I will give the Intel ARC 770 LE this, they made something that didn't look like it needed to be called Xtreme Overkill RGB Maximus edition but like the Nvidia FEs something that just looks like its there to do a job but is still elegant in a minimal kind of way.
I thought they were all trolling. Trying to one up the other for release day laughs. It’s that silly. The averages age of a purchaser is probably over 30. I’m 40. There are a few thousand younger streamers that can afford them but other than that the buyers are older because we have money. My first car was 2200 bucks. My first decent bicycle was the same and I was 13 but that’s a special story of starting a business mowing lawns so I could afford my dream racing go kart that o bought when I was 10 so I could become a pro F1 driver. Only thing was I didn’t have the support. Dad took me twice. Ended up racing it around the streets and got in trouble. Sold it for a bike.. anyway 😂🍻
I prefer my case to be stealthy since I'm not interested in looking at it. With stealth I also mean as little noise as possible, which in turn means noise dampening is most welcome. This is why i still have the Fractal Design XL R2. The singularly best moment was when I replaced the last HDD with an SSD. Absolute bliss. I hated those awful vibrations.
Not even remotely interested in graphics cards from other AIBs or sending Nvidia signals that greed is okay. Listen to the quarterly investor calls by Nvidia, it's revolting
Only have had good experiences with evga with my gtx 770 sc, 1080 ftw and 2080ti XC never had a issue never was unhappy they look nice they stay cool and customer service is great
The sheer scale of that card is insane. Also agreed 100%. I don’t understand why such expensive components are being designed as if they are for 13 year olds. The FE has consistently been the most attractive for years.
There is a huge market opportunity for the company that figures out a lot of older buyers would prefer more toned down, clean and sophisticated looking boards and components.
yeah but the FE will usually perform the weakest of the bunch , and this time alot of the variants are the same $1599 price as the FE. FE always looks great but the look Isn't worth sacrificing better performance for the same price or near.
@@fawkkyutuu8851 the difference in performance is minimal though. In the UK the FE is going to be the cheapest card of the lot. I would rather have the FE all day long. It’s a really nice card in terms of build quality, materials, size, acoustics and overall performance. Some of the other cards look like Darth Vader’s lightsaber.
The size of that Aorus 4090 is IN-SANE. GPU sag is gradually leaving "might want to think about it" territory and instead becoming an clear and imperative concern. Imagining the bending of future PCIe slots makes me wince.
Especially since there were many instances of the pcb cracking along the pcie slots on the Gigabyte 30 series cards and Gigabyte refusing RMA because of it. You can see a few videos of it on NorthRidgeFix's vids from earlier this year.
@@TLM-Nathan not true. My gigabyte 3080 does not even say at all. Learn how to build a PC correctly. Screws exist..... use them to hold the card up like you're supposed to.
@@volvo09 Unboxing can help someone see what they would be getting if they choose to buy a product. It helps them know what to expect and can help them prepare for it so they aren't surprised and have to return it or buy something else that's needed with said product. Some unboxing videos made it easy for me to choose whether or not I needed to buy it.
I agree about the looks. That's one thing I think Intel nailed with the ARC. It looks fantastic, very sleek and professional. And still has a little RGB if you are into that. If I ever got one I think I would just have a clean white light on there.
I currently run the strip on my A770 16GB as a solid Intel-box blue. I have a feeling that running it in radeon red might summon some sort of PC demon to my house though.
To be frank, I think Bulshit markrting has been going on for generations of all PC gaming peripherals. However it's only been in the last year or so that PC Tech content creators such as this channel now have the influence - the backing of it's viewers - to call out large Tech companies and point out there misleading marketing ploys, without fear of being cut off from these early released products for previews and reviews. Another great vidio, thanks der8auer 5⭐'s
Bullshit marketing has always existed for anything that is electronic, just look at TV marketing with their "100% Color Volume", "Motion Xcelerator Turbo", "Quantum HDR 2000" and so on, it is so infuriating to try to get some actual specs of some consumer electronics sometimes, when all you can get are just marketing words which means nothing.
@@Ziegeri Much of that comes down to really terrible consumer regulations as well. The term refresh rate is highly regulated but whatever nonsense marketing name people want to give refresh rates is not so some stupid term like truefresh or realrate or whatever some corporate lingo someone invents is not regulated. So companies invent stupid buzzwords and plaster them all over the front of the box in giant bold faced logos while the real spec sheets are either never given out or if forced to place them shoved into fine print on the back of the box where nobody will ever find it. I dont know how many times ive had to explain to people that their 120hz tv is just 60 that flickers extra without drawing something new.
Some turbulence in the blades is in fact a good thing. True it is a bit less efficient (who cares...), but turbulence avoids resonant frequencies and makes the sound more pleasant (not lower at all, but subjectively more pleasant for humans , someway closer to white sound). Noctua also use it on its fans and they have published some literature about this effect.
yeah if increasing the laminar flow just increase the efficiency by only few digits, it makes sense to rather work on a slight RPM increase but a more ear-pleasant operation.
Sharkskin as-correctly-applied also increases turbulent flow; because of something of an obsession with laminar flow there's a lot of misinformation that assumes it must be the other way and so confidently states it, but you will pretty much never get laminar flow from making things *rougher*, and in general true laminar flow is very hard to achieve - so generally the preference is to go for more turbulent flow, but with better control of it (as turbulent has several advantages like better flow adhesion). That said, Gigabyte's surfaces do not look like they would produce useful turbulence at all, and instead just encourage flow detachment - Noctua generates the turbulence with micro-detail that you can barely see for a reason.
I hear the blades of the fan are made from flattened octopus tentacles, the shroud is carved from a sea turtle shell, and the fins are made from the finest baleen "teeth" - all delicately murdered by hand.
Great structural analysis of the card at 11:16. I personally like the minimalist design of the Founders Edition card. No RGB bullshit all over the card & other fancy marketing keywords.
LOL no shit that thing is huge ..if it produces as much heat as the say it does you could damn near stick it in your roof and use it as ducted heating !!
Interesting how even 10 years after I started following you, you are still very much relevant but has moved from just OC things to PC tech on the highest level. Hats off to you sir.
Like what? Roman's been talking for 12 minutes about plastic fan blades... what "priceless info" did you get from this purely marketing hype-igniting paid Nvidia ad?!
Little correction: Those shark stuff on in Gigabyte 4090 is there to make boundary layer turbulent. Turbulent boundary layer is more stable than laminar - hence not that big risk of flow separation. Flow can still be laminar around fan blades. Arrows at 5:03 show boundary layer flow behavior rather than behavior inside free flow area. But your conclusion is correct, it would bring some improvements, but those proclaimed 30% is just unreal.
it is always a 30% claim, because 30 sounds insane and "not too much" at the same time. It's also the backup claim of Nvidia for any other statement they make that seems bigger. Marketing at its finest.
I totally agree on the FE design, it just looks premium. Not talking about specs or price or what amd has etc, just as a piece of engineering it looks great.
Turbulant flow on top of an airfoil is actually helpful, It keeps the air attatched which could allow them to have a meanigful pressure difference at lower fan RPMs. You can see the same thing on the leading edge of some aircraft. They are called vortex generators, they allow the aircraft to fly at higher angles of attack, which allows for slower flight before stall. There is an overall increase in drag though.
The unused wires are for feedback signal from the card to the psu. I guess nvidia figures if you use this adapter then your psu doesn’t know what to do with them.
9:00 why is that? Why does those 2 give you the same as the 4×8 pin adapter? If they do they why didnt nvidia do it? Why did they have a 3×8 pin for the 3090TI and 4×8 pin for the 40 series if 2×8 pins can give you 600W? Am i missing something? Im lost
Good on you to call out the extreme company BS. One thing for claims but another that's genuinely hard to compare let alone test thoroughly. FE edition looks great as usual!
9:16. I can say for sure this card won't fit in my case. I'd have to buy a new case just to hold it. I have a TUF GAMING 3090 that fits fine in my current rig, but That Aorus 4090 wouldn't work out for my case.
Thank you for the video ! The brute size of gpu's are just INSANE. I upgraded from a 2080ti to a 3080ti and the diffrence is massive.. almost having problems fitting gpu and a tank/pump combo in most cases. And as a 40 year old gamer, i totally agree on the weird marketing. Alot of those who buy top tier cards usually watercool them anyways..
the real money is where the kids are. they get obsessed with RGB and get mommy/daddy to pay for shit. that's way more $$ for the manufacturers rather than marketing it to discerning adults who may choose more carefully.
Even if this is just an "unboxing" video, it provides some valuable information that I previously just couldn't glean from looking at still pictures: the adaptor cable and the Corsair "native" 12VHPWR cable. Why? Because of the kerfuffle about bending these cables, I want to know how much clearance I need for the side panel. Now that you have cut that wrapping open, I now know it's hard plastic and can't be bent, and I need to take that into account. Whereas the Corsair cable can be bend much closer to the connector. That few mm can mean whether that side panel can go on or not!
Don't forget, however, that the width of the graphics card can change too. Gigabyte's looks much wider than the FE, so even if you could bend the cable for it you still might need more room than with the FE.
Maybe they're thinking that the turbulent flow will increase the pressure away from the blade allowing to scoop as if it were a bigger blade? I don't trust anything gigabyte says in their marketing. They sold a GPU with an aluminum water block and don't acknowledge it anywhere.
The turbulent flow stays attached at a greater blade angle, in theory meaning that the fan blades can be angled more agressively, which allows for greater airflow at the expense of efficiency. These Vortex Generators, as they are actually called, are actually a pretty common feature in aerodynamic design too. But Gigabyte clearly felt the need to sprinkle some extra dumb marketing BS on top to make them seem special.
when I got 3080 founders for my setup, my father helped me rebuild and he stated that this is a serious GPU for somebody that works, not that older one with lights all for games. My father is now quite old and missed the whole digital transition but learned to browse the internet... so yeah FE cards look mature
So for the sense wires- its possible they are voltage loss detectors. I race RC cars, and we charge the lipos for them VERY fast. Like a 4000-6000mah battery gets charged to 40amps. So the charge cables have the main power feed, and then theres 3 sense wires, to read the individual cell voltages. These are small signal wires. And all they do is connect to as close to the battery as possible and go to a separate port on the charger so it can see voltage at the end of the wire, without the charge or discharge amps dropping or raising the voltage. Theres readouts for both on the charger and over 5amps it gets to be a very large voltage. If thats how these sense wires work as well, it is simply to see the voltage before it gets to the card. That way the GPU can know if theres a bad connection or its just voltage sag under load. Actually pretty simple but useful metric for a card that will use huge power spikes. And honestly I hope that connectors go through some improvements before it burns any ones houses down. I started building PCs in the 90s and im glad Molex connectors are almost gone, they are terrible. These arent much better though.
When it comes to marketing I don't care if the card turns into a Transformer and walks around the computer at night as long as the damn thing is faster than the founders Edition. I've built beautiful pieces for years and I realize I don't look inside of them that often because I'm usually looking at the computer screen playing a game or editing something or designing something we're spending far too much time playing bios.
POWER CABLES: Currently PCIE Gen 5 supports this 8+4 pin connector as a direct 450-600w connector for power supplies that support it. Most dont yet and so this is where the 4 to 1 connectors come from. Corsair power supplies support a higher level of wattage through 2 connectors in their 1000 and 1200w power supplies which is how they cut down on cable clutter. The 4 pins that are sensor pins are specific to PCIE 5 supported power supplies otherwise they run to ground.
holy fuckin brick lol. usually when ppl saying how big the gpu is, after looking at reviews and holding one myself at retailers, it's usually just a pumped up story. but this might be the real brick lol. damn thing is an absolute unit.
Ok i need to ask this. What case is that aorus card supposed to fit in? Im refering to the width of the card because i know it probably wont fit in my case which is a fractal design xl r2 titanium.
I am pretty interested in performance of the 4090 compared to 30s with brute force, no dlss 3.0 etc - I am looking at getting the 4090 Aurus, so I appreciate the info to come!
You forgot to mention the BIGGEST design advantage of the nvidia 3xxx & 4xxx FE cards. Those coolers deserves a design award because it is clearly a better way to minimize GPU sag. The full external sheel is made a single piece of metal and is screwed to the full 3 slot pci braket, it's a solid piece that don't need anti sag stupid brakets ! This is the job of a real designer: to ensure good performance of the product (heat disipation and anti sag structure) while making it look good.
either you have really REALLY small hands or those cards are ridiculously MASSIVE we are talking CHONKERS holy crap you need a hangar to fit these cards in , a mere mortals pc case has zero chance whatsoever
Two minutes in and I hit the like button, when you said the AIBs treat consumer like twelve year olds. The 30 series and 40 series FE cards are leagues ahead in aesthetic terms.
I feel like the consumer has outgrown this "2005's Shadow The Hedgehog" culture and so should the industry. We barely have two color options for PC parts and also very little shape choices. The only thing you can truly customize is RGB, which became so over the top that's basically a meme in itself at this point. Brands slapping it into everything and boom, it's a "gamer" part now, definitely worth twice the price. That's why I love Intel's A770 naming and design, for example, as unfinished as those cards are. They at least look at lot more timeless. But we're still nowhere near where we should. I've been wanting to build a gray/gold PC inspired by Zone of the Enders' Jehuty for some years now and it'll be a lot harder and more expensive than it should simply by how much more I'll have to make myself. Sure, customizing and building your own pc is fun, but painting graphics cards and AIO cables isn't.
don't need to advertise the fact that u like wasting money and pouring it down the drain. unless u actually need both a 3090 and 4090 which I highly doubt.
7:13 I think the "active circuit" Nvidia talked about is for load balancing. Tests proved that some of these adapters don't spread the load between all the cables.
I’m trying to decide which card to get for an EK block. Can the FE go to 600 watts like AIB cards? I wanted the strix but it’s 400 over msrp which is insane.
The Corsair 2x8 pin adaptor is only certified with specific PSUs which can supply beyond 150W per 8pin. It won't work with any PSU, the connectors are not equivalent.
hang on.. it can sense if the adapter connectors are used, but it's only for 2 of them? So, which 2 ? is that indicated somehow? And how is that going to affect the power balancing? Very odd if this is intended to be like this. (and potentially a fire hazard???)
those 2 unconnected cables at the new 12vhpwr connector is PWR_STABLE and CBL_PRES# pins. PWR_STABLE is self explanatory, and CBL_PRES# has 2 functions, to check if the connector is properly attached to a 12vhpwr connector, and provides communication with the PSU about it's power budgeting if several cards are connected. But, the old 8 pins do not have those communication functions with ATX 2.0 PSUs, so they were left open. it's optional pins anyway, at least according to Intel spec. the other 2 pins are just sense1 and sense0 for 4 different variety of 12vhpwr connector (150W, 300W, 450W, and 600W), basically if both of them are connected to gnd, you have a 600w 12vhpwr connector, so both of those 2 pins should be connected to ground for the 4090.
The 4 sideband pins on the 12VHPWR connector are part of the ATX 3.0 specification with 2 of them being optional. Seems like a way of coordinating between the power supply and the graphics card. The none optional connectors signal from the PSU to the GPU how much power is available (both shorted to ground means up to 600W). The other two are likely for the GPU to signal to the PSU about how much power it requires - perhaps to enable different PSU operating modes to maximise efficiency or to avoid the PSU overload issues that were seen early with the 3000 series (before the driver tweaks).
So I have a 3080 that's about 2 years old. Should I just keep using it till the rx7000 series comes out? I should probably look into how to re-do thermal paste on a GPU then.
Succinct video with good camerawork, no egregious fast cuts and pans, and only the necessary amount of clickbait in the title. You've got a good minimalist video production style. I don't play enough new games to justify the cost of these cards but it is interesting to see what is happening to the market and how giant these heatsinks are getting on both cpus and gpus. I hope they are performant while undervolting. Performance per dB, and cost are the only things that I really care about so if you do any videos on that you'll definitely get a view from me, although it might not be a mainstream interest.
Bought the 3090Ti Founders Edition for $1100 from BB little over month ago. (don't need to spend 1700+ on 4090). The FE 3090Ti has beautiful design and cooling is very good. With Fractal torrent case fans on low after 1 hour of intense gaming GPU temps are rarely over 68-73C and memory always under 78C. Fans are very quiet. Very elegant and refined card. My advice is if you are looking at 4090 I would look into FE over 3rd party (more power consumption, heat)
So the 3090 TI and the 4090 all have the 12VHPWR plug. But with the 3090 TI the adapter was just a 12 pin adapter without the 4 pins (same adapter as the normal 3090 but minus 1 8 pin). While the 4090 has the 12+4 pin adapter. So im wondering, if the 3090 TI who has the same plug as the 4090 worked without the need of those 4 pins. Shouldnt the 4090 do the same? Or do you NEED those 4 pins? The 3090 TI and 4090 PCBs are not that different. So in theory, what worked on the 3090 TI, should work on the 4090.
The other 2 pins are for supposedly the modern PSUs where those are data pins where the PSU and GPU can communicate about how much power one can supply to the other.
Should I buy founders edition or 3rd party on release day? Only used for Davinci Resolve video editing. Not sure the extra premiums are worth it for 3rd party cards.
Apparently that extra 4 pin connectors are supposed to be communication to the PSU, so it knows the voltage of the PSU and how much power it can draw. The standard 8 pin PCI-E plug is rated to 150w, hence the need for 4 plugs.
the dual 8 pin on the corsair is pretty simple, theres a couple of reasons: first off theyre normally single rail power supplies so the rail alignment doesnt matter, the second is because they spec each 8 pin to run 2xpcie or a single 8 pin eps, which is just around the power budget given on the cable
So given the design of those fans, under normal circumstances the suction side of an aerofoil is what does most of the work, but I’m really skeptical that such a design isn’t just going to cause the airflow to detach, I don’t think they’re going to create coherent vortices with that injection molded mess. But their marketing is clearly false as in a static pressure situation, that type of fan is almost completely stalled and the suction side won’t be doing anything.
For better contrast, it would be nice if you had a bright background when showing stuff like black cables. Something like a sheet of paper would do fine.
12-year-olds buy this.. their parents pay for it. So marketing is exactly spot on. Sadly, I am no longer 12 and with current electricity price hikes I am certainly not in market for a new 2kEUR space heater. Suddenly Intel cards look promising :)
Aerospace engineer here. Not saying the shark skin claims are true, they are 100% not true (no way are they getting 30% increase in anything from this), but from an airflow standpoint the statement you made about laminar vs turbulent airflow is false. It is far more complex than that obviously, but the best way to think of it is in terms of a golf ball. A smooth ball will not go as far because the turbulent airflow at the surface caused by the divets actually allows for a more laminar flow overall. The same is true in this case. The rough surface makes it easier for the boundary layer of air to "detach" from the surface and in the end likely allows for a smoother more efficient flow overall. This also has the added benefit of less noise and list drag so the fan can spin more freely through the air. Hope that makes sense. I tried to explain it as simply as I could. Love the videos!
You didn't mention the changes nvidia did to the vapor chamber, and heat pipes that has a lot to do with the increased cooling, especially the modifications of the vapor chamber
so 4 x 8 pin``s = 32 going into a 24 + pin grid going into a single 12 + pin /++ side pin array is a data link ? 🤔, where did sli move to ? Does the Seat Prong have More Contact points ?
8:17 according to Intel's design guide those 2 pins are CARD_PWR_STABLE (power good) and CARD_CBL_PRES. both of them are optional and they are "not for the purpose of the Add-in Card to determine the power limits available to it"
That criticism can be levelled at the entire PC industry, so many of their gamer products are aimed at what at times feels like 12 year olds. I don’t use a PC anymore for my daily driver largely because of this reason. I don’t want a fridge lit up like a Christmas tree on my desk.
Do you have to send them back the GPU after reviewing if they send you a GPU? Or there's an agreement that does not allow you to take off some parts of the GPU?
We need propeller engineers to design this stuff, Curvature and depth of blade towards the radiator/heat mass so that lift (air flow) goes to where it is needed. Shark fin textures are a marketing thing.
Remember that joke video where the guy made a massive rtx 4090 when the 30 series came out? It's basically reality now
I forgot about that 🤣
Yep, I thought the same thing
Exactly ! Actually mentioned that on Bitwit's video. Unfortunately can't leave the link, the comment gets deleted. What was a very good 2021 April Fool's joke, it just got (almost) real. Huge cards to match their respective power consumption and price.
Great video
Ya these cards are massive, but imagine how big the 5090 is going to be!!! It will be like having a micro atx pc inside of your PC
I agree man, I'm a 35 year old with a home, family, and career. I don't want my PC to look like a tricked out 2002 Honda civic with rainbow under lights. I'd prefer a box that cools well and has a more sophisticated look to it. I begrudgingly buy a lot of the "gamer" marketed hardware simply due to the performance of them or the featureset on them (eg, I love Asus's OC switcher) but I'd really prefer if they looked sleek rather than trying to look like a transformer.
Ive given up on the cases, nothing ever fits perfectly and you end up paying to solve problems. Now I'm using 2020 aluminum extrusion and picking up 3-5mm thick aluminium sheets off eBay. Making some lovely sleek cases. Kinda late 80's themed with all the black metal, some of those vacuum tube aida64 displays from Ali express and a whole lot of chrome parts and brushed brass. Ohh and copper tinted window side panel 😍. more late 80's than mid 90', executive themed I guess 😂 but mainly compact. I hate big pc's, unnecessary and they look cheap and badly (no thought) designed.
You can get it all into a case the same dimensions as an atx board if you get to choose where the main parts go.
I will give the Intel ARC 770 LE this, they made something that didn't look like it needed to be called Xtreme Overkill RGB Maximus edition but like the Nvidia FEs something that just looks like its there to do a job but is still elegant in a minimal kind of way.
I thought they were all trolling. Trying to one up the other for release day laughs. It’s that silly. The averages age of a purchaser is probably over 30. I’m 40. There are a few thousand younger streamers that can afford them but other than that the buyers are older because we have money. My first car was 2200 bucks. My first decent bicycle was the same and I was 13 but that’s a special story of starting a business mowing lawns so I could afford my dream racing go kart that o bought when I was 10 so I could become a pro F1 driver. Only thing was I didn’t have the support. Dad took me twice. Ended up racing it around the streets and got in trouble. Sold it for a bike.. anyway 😂🍻
I prefer my case to be stealthy since I'm not interested in looking at it.
With stealth I also mean as little noise as possible, which in turn means noise dampening is most welcome.
This is why i still have the Fractal Design XL R2.
The singularly best moment was when I replaced the last HDD with an SSD. Absolute bliss. I hated those awful vibrations.
I call them lgbtq lights
I respecte EVGA more and more
evga means quality, I bought a z690 classified last week and it's a wonderful motherboard
By making cards that are ugly and die very easily?
Not even remotely interested in graphics cards from other AIBs or sending Nvidia signals that greed is okay.
Listen to the quarterly investor calls by Nvidia, it's revolting
@@ouki4925 the only card that I've had die is my old evga 670...lasted 2 years lol
Only have had good experiences with evga with my gtx 770 sc, 1080 ftw and 2080ti XC never had a issue never was unhappy they look nice they stay cool and customer service is great
If gigabyte can really improve whatever airflow related by 30% , they should become a aviation company and make trillions of dollars
Lockheed Boeing and even NASA will go bankrupt overnight
thanks for the like！
The airplane would probably blow up like the rest of their products.
@@IndellableHatesHandles that's not a problem, passengers could always down volt the engine and lock the rotation frequency.
plus, their planes will have rgb all over them
The sheer scale of that card is insane. Also agreed 100%. I don’t understand why such expensive components are being designed as if they are for 13 year olds. The FE has consistently been the most attractive for years.
I think the 1080 FE is the prettyest card ever made.
There is a huge market opportunity for the company that figures out a lot of older buyers would prefer more toned down, clean and sophisticated looking boards and components.
RGB makes it run faster
yeah but the FE will usually perform the weakest of the bunch , and this time alot of the variants are the same $1599 price as the FE.
FE always looks great but the look Isn't worth sacrificing better performance for the same price or near.
@@fawkkyutuu8851 the difference in performance is minimal though. In the UK the FE is going to be the cheapest card of the lot. I would rather have the FE all day long. It’s a really nice card in terms of build quality, materials, size, acoustics and overall performance. Some of the other cards look like Darth Vader’s lightsaber.
The size of that Aorus 4090 is IN-SANE. GPU sag is gradually leaving "might want to think about it" territory and instead becoming an clear and imperative concern. Imagining the bending of future PCIe slots makes me wince.
Soon the cases will be the size of refrigerators.
The size of the 4090 is in perfect balance with it's power consumption and price.
Especially since there were many instances of the pcb cracking along the pcie slots on the Gigabyte 30 series cards and Gigabyte refusing RMA because of it.
You can see a few videos of it on NorthRidgeFix's vids from earlier this year.
@@ron200088 doesnt mean its chill
@@TLM-Nathan not true. My gigabyte 3080 does not even say at all. Learn how to build a PC correctly. Screws exist..... use them to hold the card up like you're supposed to.
I liked this video. I don't like unboxing videos but I feel like you are explaining your thoughts and concerns left me wanting more.
thanks :D
Yeah, unboxings are pointless. This was more of a mini chat, but within the manufacturers allowance of an unboxing.
@@volvo09 Unboxing can help someone see what they would be getting if they choose to buy a product. It helps them know what to expect and can help them prepare for it so they aren't surprised and have to return it or buy something else that's needed with said product. Some unboxing videos made it easy for me to choose whether or not I needed to buy it.
He does a way better job then everyone else.
@@gmaxsfoodfitness3035 Yeah I agree, but pure unboxing when there is no 3rd party data released yet is pretty pointless.
I agree about the looks. That's one thing I think Intel nailed with the ARC. It looks fantastic, very sleek and professional. And still has a little RGB if you are into that. If I ever got one I think I would just have a clean white light on there.
Completely agree with the look of the A770 is sexy as hell, just sleek and pro looking like you mentioned, with a bit of tasteful RGB added in...
Only thing that's bad for intel is they glue the backplate on, that's very flimsy.
the ARC card looks good in design because of simplicity but the materials make it look cheap and plastic
@@jamessheard7067 for sure. It looks good but many mistakes were made for advanced users.
I currently run the strip on my A770 16GB as a solid Intel-box blue. I have a feeling that running it in radeon red might summon some sort of PC demon to my house though.
Haha these GPUs make it look like you've been hit with some sort of shrink ray. They're absurdly huge.
They cost a lot, therefore they must be big.
Gives you Trump hands
@@sublime2craig I wonder if big video cards will become the new "you know what they say about guys with big trucks"
To be frank, I think Bulshit markrting has been going on for generations of all PC gaming peripherals. However it's only been in the last year or so that PC Tech content creators such as this channel now have the influence - the backing of it's viewers - to call out large Tech companies and point out there misleading marketing ploys, without fear of being cut off from these early released products for previews and reviews.
Another great vidio, thanks der8auer 5⭐'s
Bullshit marketing has always existed for anything that is electronic, just look at TV marketing with their "100% Color Volume", "Motion Xcelerator Turbo", "Quantum HDR 2000" and so on, it is so infuriating to try to get some actual specs of some consumer electronics sometimes, when all you can get are just marketing words which means nothing.
Hi Frank
@@Ziegeri Much of that comes down to really terrible consumer regulations as well. The term refresh rate is highly regulated but whatever nonsense marketing name people want to give refresh rates is not so some stupid term like truefresh or realrate or whatever some corporate lingo someone invents is not regulated. So companies invent stupid buzzwords and plaster them all over the front of the box in giant bold faced logos while the real spec sheets are either never given out or if forced to place them shoved into fine print on the back of the box where nobody will ever find it. I dont know how many times ive had to explain to people that their 120hz tv is just 60 that flickers extra without drawing something new.
Marketing is lying.
@@Ziegeri Sega's "blast processing"
Some turbulence in the blades is in fact a good thing. True it is a bit less efficient (who cares...), but turbulence avoids resonant frequencies and makes the sound more pleasant (not lower at all, but subjectively more pleasant for humans , someway closer to white sound). Noctua also use it on its fans and they have published some literature about this effect.
yeah if increasing the laminar flow just increase the efficiency by only few digits, it makes sense to rather work on a slight RPM increase but a more ear-pleasant operation.
Sharkskin as-correctly-applied also increases turbulent flow; because of something of an obsession with laminar flow there's a lot of misinformation that assumes it must be the other way and so confidently states it, but you will pretty much never get laminar flow from making things *rougher*, and in general true laminar flow is very hard to achieve - so generally the preference is to go for more turbulent flow, but with better control of it (as turbulent has several advantages like better flow adhesion).
That said, Gigabyte's surfaces do not look like they would produce useful turbulence at all, and instead just encourage flow detachment - Noctua generates the turbulence with micro-detail that you can barely see for a reason.
I hear the blades of the fan are made from flattened octopus tentacles, the shroud is carved from a sea turtle shell, and the fins are made from the finest baleen "teeth" - all delicately murdered by hand.
It's true
Great structural analysis of the card at 11:16. I personally like the minimalist design of the Founders Edition card. No RGB bullshit all over the card & other fancy marketing keywords.
Keep up the good work Roman , good to have an unbiased honest opinion and input .
0:55 Jesus, i know Roman is not a big man, but that card is huge. 😄
That thing is MONSTROUS!!
LOL no shit that thing is huge ..if it produces as much heat as the say it does you could damn near stick it in your roof and use it as ducted heating !!
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 my 3080 12gb maxes at like 400w and that puts out insane heat...can't imagine the 4090 lol
The size of the 4090 is in perfect balance with it's power consumption and price.
@@funtourhawk i have an electric heater who uses 500-550w on first setting. 😄
Generally, I agree that unboxing GPUs is utter bullshit, but calling out marketing bullshit is not, so thank you.
Interesting how even 10 years after I started following you, you are still very much relevant but has moved from just OC things to PC tech on the highest level. Hats off to you sir.
Thank you. Happy to hear that 💪
these guys and gamers nexus tackle things from both a very detailed and honest approach, but from different perspectives.. and i like that a lot.
It absolutely boggles my mind the sheer size of these cards, it's amazing XD
Man you have easily become one of my favorite pc tech channels. The amount of information you provide is priceless.
Agreed.
Like what? Roman's been talking for 12 minutes about plastic fan blades... what "priceless info" did you get from this purely marketing hype-igniting paid Nvidia ad?!
@@cokeforever you must not watch his channel then, I was referring to the video.
Yeah the squad is Der8auer, Steve GN and Buildzoid :D
@@simoSLJ89 I haven't watched buildzoid but GN is really great. Love what they do for the community.
@3:14 "Huge fan of this design"
I appreciate this sly joke of yours
Little correction:
Those shark stuff on in Gigabyte 4090 is there to make boundary layer turbulent. Turbulent boundary layer is more stable than laminar - hence not that big risk of flow separation. Flow can still be laminar around fan blades. Arrows at 5:03 show boundary layer flow behavior rather than behavior inside free flow area. But your conclusion is correct, it would bring some improvements, but those proclaimed 30% is just unreal.
it is always a 30% claim, because 30 sounds insane and "not too much" at the same time. It's also the backup claim of Nvidia for any other statement they make that seems bigger. Marketing at its finest.
this guy is Jimi Neutron with RTX ON
I totally agree on the FE design, it just looks premium.
Not talking about specs or price or what amd has etc, just as a piece of engineering it looks great.
Im suprised at the shark mascot in thumbnail I'm the one who made that
9:08 wow that is stupidly big, how does it make the 4090FE look small?
Turbulant flow on top of an airfoil is actually helpful, It keeps the air attatched which could allow them to have a meanigful pressure difference at lower fan RPMs. You can see the same thing on the leading edge of some aircraft. They are called vortex generators, they allow the aircraft to fly at higher angles of attack, which allows for slower flight before stall. There is an overall increase in drag though.
The unused wires are for feedback signal from the card to the psu. I guess nvidia figures if you use this adapter then your psu doesn’t know what to do with them.
9:00 why is that? Why does those 2 give you the same as the 4×8 pin adapter? If they do they why didnt nvidia do it? Why did they have a 3×8 pin for the 3090TI and 4×8 pin for the 40 series if 2×8 pins can give you 600W? Am i missing something? Im lost
Good on you to call out the extreme company BS. One thing for claims but another that's genuinely hard to compare let alone test thoroughly. FE edition looks great as usual!
9:16. I can say for sure this card won't fit in my case. I'd have to buy a new case just to hold it. I have a TUF GAMING 3090 that fits fine in my current rig, but That Aorus 4090 wouldn't work out for my case.
Thank you for the video ! The brute size of gpu's are just INSANE. I upgraded from a 2080ti to a 3080ti and the diffrence is massive.. almost having problems fitting gpu and a tank/pump combo in most cases. And as a 40 year old gamer, i totally agree on the weird marketing. Alot of those who buy top tier cards usually watercool them anyways..
the real money is where the kids are. they get obsessed with RGB and get mommy/daddy to pay for shit. that's way more $$ for the manufacturers rather than marketing it to discerning adults who may choose more carefully.
Even if this is just an "unboxing" video, it provides some valuable information that I previously just couldn't glean from looking at still pictures: the adaptor cable and the Corsair "native" 12VHPWR cable. Why? Because of the kerfuffle about bending these cables, I want to know how much clearance I need for the side panel. Now that you have cut that wrapping open, I now know it's hard plastic and can't be bent, and I need to take that into account. Whereas the Corsair cable can be bend much closer to the connector. That few mm can mean whether that side panel can go on or not!
Don't forget, however, that the width of the graphics card can change too. Gigabyte's looks much wider than the FE, so even if you could bend the cable for it you still might need more room than with the FE.
So true, I hate the gamer aesthetic of the majority of PC hardware, like the industry thinks everyone has the taste of a 12 year old in 2007
Maybe they're thinking that the turbulent flow will increase the pressure away from the blade allowing to scoop as if it were a bigger blade? I don't trust anything gigabyte says in their marketing. They sold a GPU with an aluminum water block and don't acknowledge it anywhere.
The turbulent flow stays attached at a greater blade angle, in theory meaning that the fan blades can be angled more agressively, which allows for greater airflow at the expense of efficiency.
These Vortex Generators, as they are actually called, are actually a pretty common feature in aerodynamic design too. But Gigabyte clearly felt the need to sprinkle some extra dumb marketing BS on top to make them seem special.
it is just bs
the fe design is just so nice. it doesn't have all those edges and shapes and it looks professional and optimized. very pretty
when I got 3080 founders for my setup, my father helped me rebuild and he stated that this is a serious GPU for somebody that works, not that older one with lights all for games. My father is now quite old and missed the whole digital transition but learned to browse the internet... so yeah FE cards look mature
So for the sense wires- its possible they are voltage loss detectors. I race RC cars, and we charge the lipos for them VERY fast. Like a 4000-6000mah battery gets charged to 40amps. So the charge cables have the main power feed, and then theres 3 sense wires, to read the individual cell voltages. These are small signal wires. And all they do is connect to as close to the battery as possible and go to a separate port on the charger so it can see voltage at the end of the wire, without the charge or discharge amps dropping or raising the voltage. Theres readouts for both on the charger and over 5amps it gets to be a very large voltage.
If thats how these sense wires work as well, it is simply to see the voltage before it gets to the card. That way the GPU can know if theres a bad connection or its just voltage sag under load. Actually pretty simple but useful metric for a card that will use huge power spikes. And honestly I hope that connectors go through some improvements before it burns any ones houses down. I started building PCs in the 90s and im glad Molex connectors are almost gone, they are terrible. These arent much better though.
When it comes to marketing I don't care if the card turns into a Transformer and walks around the computer at night as long as the damn thing is faster than the founders Edition. I've built beautiful pieces for years and I realize I don't look inside of them that often because I'm usually looking at the computer screen playing a game or editing something or designing something we're spending far too much time playing bios.
POWER CABLES:
Currently PCIE Gen 5 supports this 8+4 pin connector as a direct 450-600w connector for power supplies that support it. Most dont yet and so this is where the 4 to 1 connectors come from. Corsair power supplies support a higher level of wattage through 2 connectors in their 1000 and 1200w power supplies which is how they cut down on cable clutter.
The 4 pins that are sensor pins are specific to PCIE 5 supported power supplies otherwise they run to ground.
holy fuckin brick lol. usually when ppl saying how big the gpu is, after looking at reviews and holding one myself at retailers, it's usually just a pumped up story. but this might be the real brick lol. damn thing is an absolute unit.
Ok i need to ask this. What case is that aorus card supposed to fit in? Im refering to the width of the card because i know it probably wont fit in my case which is a fractal design xl r2 titanium.
Ya these cards are massive, but imagine how big the 5090 is going to be!!! It will be like having a micro atx pc inside of your PC
This generation of cpus and gpus are nearing the end of their life. Just like dinosaurs were very powerful they consumed to much so had to go.
They're nothing a waterblock won't cure. 🇺🇸 😎👍☕
@@keibohow69 ..Wrong.
@@keibohow69 Ok Irma, now you can put back your cristal ball in your closet.
@@lilblackduc7312 only time will tell
The size of those cards is... bizarre.
I am pretty interested in performance of the 4090 compared to 30s with brute force, no dlss 3.0 etc - I am looking at getting the 4090 Aurus, so I appreciate the info to come!
You forgot to mention the BIGGEST design advantage of the nvidia 3xxx & 4xxx FE cards. Those coolers deserves a design award because it is clearly a better way to minimize GPU sag.
The full external sheel is made a single piece of metal and is screwed to the full 3 slot pci braket, it's a solid piece that don't need anti sag stupid brakets !
This is the job of a real designer: to ensure good performance of the product (heat disipation and anti sag structure) while making it look good.
I feel sorry for the AIB's having to compete with Nvidia FE Maybe this has led to these weird cards to look different?
Interesting perspective. I've heard this before many times. The FE cards are really well designed
@@ps3guy22 the 10 series cards from aibs are probably the last over the top designs
either you have really REALLY small hands
or those cards are ridiculously MASSIVE
we are talking CHONKERS
holy crap you need a hangar to fit these cards in , a mere mortals pc case has zero chance whatsoever
Two minutes in and I hit the like button, when you said the AIBs treat consumer like twelve year olds.
The 30 series and 40 series FE cards are leagues ahead in aesthetic terms.
The 30 series and 40 series FE cards are ugly. Drab beyond belief.
@@greenbow7888 Not to worry, I'm sure your rainbow puke Power Ranger card will be available real soon.
I feel like the consumer has outgrown this "2005's Shadow The Hedgehog" culture and so should the industry. We barely have two color options for PC parts and also very little shape choices. The only thing you can truly customize is RGB, which became so over the top that's basically a meme in itself at this point. Brands slapping it into everything and boom, it's a "gamer" part now, definitely worth twice the price. That's why I love Intel's A770 naming and design, for example, as unfinished as those cards are. They at least look at lot more timeless. But we're still nowhere near where we should.
I've been wanting to build a gray/gold PC inspired by Zone of the Enders' Jehuty for some years now and it'll be a lot harder and more expensive than it should simply by how much more I'll have to make myself. Sure, customizing and building your own pc is fun, but painting graphics cards and AIO cables isn't.
The FE models are just gorgeous. 3090 was first time I went founders because it was the best looking card. I've also got a 4090 founders pre-ordered.
@Ottoman 420 nab?
don't need to advertise the fact that u like wasting money and pouring it down the drain.
unless u actually need both a 3090 and 4090 which I highly doubt.
@@Dark.Syndicate then you highly doubted wrongfully
7:13 I think the "active circuit" Nvidia talked about is for load balancing. Tests proved that some of these adapters don't spread the load between all the cables.
I’m very excited to see a video disassembling the Founders 4090 to use as a guide for using EK’s waterblocks.
Keep up the great work!
A waterblock will cure most of the undesirable traits of these bloated video cards.
I’m trying to decide which card to get for an EK block. Can the FE go to 600 watts like AIB cards? I wanted the strix but it’s 400 over msrp which is insane.
the pcb on the aorus card stops at about the second fan meaning that about 10cm is just cooling lol
The Corsair 2x8 pin adaptor is only certified with specific PSUs which can supply beyond 150W per 8pin.
It won't work with any PSU, the connectors are not equivalent.
how is the performance worth upgrading from 3080 to 4090 or 4080 on QHD monitor 144 hz? short answer will you upgrade or wait?
I can't believe on a card that size there's not 3 support brackets like the FE. WTF?
hang on.. it can sense if the adapter connectors are used, but it's only for 2 of them? So, which 2 ? is that indicated somehow? And how is that going to affect the power balancing?
Very odd if this is intended to be like this. (and potentially a fire hazard???)
Am I correct in saying that all of the third-party cards will have better cooling than the FE? I love the FE but worried about its temps/noise.
those 2 unconnected cables at the new 12vhpwr connector is PWR_STABLE and CBL_PRES# pins. PWR_STABLE is self explanatory, and CBL_PRES# has 2 functions, to check if the connector is properly attached to a 12vhpwr connector, and provides communication with the PSU about it's power budgeting if several cards are connected. But, the old 8 pins do not have those communication functions with ATX 2.0 PSUs, so they were left open. it's optional pins anyway, at least according to Intel spec. the other 2 pins are just sense1 and sense0 for 4 different variety of 12vhpwr connector (150W, 300W, 450W, and 600W), basically if both of them are connected to gnd, you have a 600w 12vhpwr connector, so both of those 2 pins should be connected to ground for the 4090.
They've been making electronics fans for the last hundred of years and GB somehow R&D'ed shark skinned fans just now. What a time to be alive.
SHAME ANYONE WHO PUBLICLY ADMITS TO BUYING A 4090 AT LAUNCH
Many TH-camrs
The 4 sideband pins on the 12VHPWR connector are part of the ATX 3.0 specification with 2 of them being optional. Seems like a way of coordinating between the power supply and the graphics card. The none optional connectors signal from the PSU to the GPU how much power is available (both shorted to ground means up to 600W). The other two are likely for the GPU to signal to the PSU about how much power it requires - perhaps to enable different PSU operating modes to maximise efficiency or to avoid the PSU overload issues that were seen early with the 3000 series (before the driver tweaks).
So I have a 3080 that's about 2 years old. Should I just keep using it till the rx7000 series comes out? I should probably look into how to re-do thermal paste on a GPU then.
Succinct video with good camerawork, no egregious fast cuts and pans, and only the necessary amount of clickbait in the title. You've got a good minimalist video production style. I don't play enough new games to justify the cost of these cards but it is interesting to see what is happening to the market and how giant these heatsinks are getting on both cpus and gpus. I hope they are performant while undervolting. Performance per dB, and cost are the only things that I really care about so if you do any videos on that you'll definitely get a view from me, although it might not be a mainstream interest.
What’s the difference between the 4090 and the 4090 founders edition
Bought the 3090Ti Founders Edition for $1100 from BB little over month ago. (don't need to spend 1700+ on 4090). The FE 3090Ti has beautiful design and cooling is very good. With Fractal torrent case fans on low after 1 hour of intense gaming GPU temps are rarely over 68-73C and memory always under 78C. Fans are very quiet. Very elegant and refined card. My advice is if you are looking at 4090 I would look into FE over 3rd party (more power consumption, heat)
Wild how big these cards are, I sure as hell won't be putting a space heater like that inside my case.
Will a 4090 stock air cooler work on a 3090? If so would it work better since its bigger?
4 8 pin, 4 damn 8 pin, how much power does these damn thing eat
So the 3090 TI and the 4090 all have the 12VHPWR plug. But with the 3090 TI the adapter was just a 12 pin adapter without the 4 pins (same adapter as the normal 3090 but minus 1 8 pin). While the 4090 has the 12+4 pin adapter. So im wondering, if the 3090 TI who has the same plug as the 4090 worked without the need of those 4 pins. Shouldnt the 4090 do the same? Or do you NEED those 4 pins? The 3090 TI and 4090 PCBs are not that different. So in theory, what worked on the 3090 TI, should work on the 4090.
The other 2 pins are for supposedly the modern PSUs where those are data pins where the PSU and GPU can communicate about how much power one can supply to the other.
I look forward to the day when GPUs are so big they deserve their own exclusive case.
Should I buy founders edition or 3rd party on release day? Only used for Davinci Resolve video editing. Not sure the extra premiums are worth it for 3rd party cards.
Apparently that extra 4 pin connectors are supposed to be communication to the PSU, so it knows the voltage of the PSU and how much power it can draw.
The standard 8 pin PCI-E plug is rated to 150w, hence the need for 4 plugs.
Herr Bauer, i really like your straight to the point, no bs, german style videous. Kudos!!!
the dual 8 pin on the corsair is pretty simple, theres a couple of reasons: first off theyre normally single rail power supplies so the rail alignment doesnt matter, the second is because they spec each 8 pin to run 2xpcie or a single 8 pin eps, which is just around the power budget given on the cable
I like Intels new GPUs heat shroud design. No bullshit.. No stupid gimmicks.. Just a simple elegant looking card.
Yeah, Intel's cards look very good. The A770 even has non childish lighting, I would be fine leaving that on.
Agreed. I'm thinking of buying one just for the design aspect. Tesla-style. Now, the drivers on the other hand...well let's not go there...
So given the design of those fans, under normal circumstances the suction side of an aerofoil is what does most of the work, but I’m really skeptical that such a design isn’t just going to cause the airflow to detach, I don’t think they’re going to create coherent vortices with that injection molded mess.
But their marketing is clearly false as in a static pressure situation, that type of fan is almost completely stalled and the suction side won’t be doing anything.
For better contrast, it would be nice if you had a bright background when showing stuff like black cables. Something like a sheet of paper would do fine.
12-year-olds buy this.. their parents pay for it. So marketing is exactly spot on. Sadly, I am no longer 12 and with current electricity price hikes I am certainly not in market for a new 2kEUR space heater. Suddenly Intel cards look promising :)
Aerospace engineer here. Not saying the shark skin claims are true, they are 100% not true (no way are they getting 30% increase in anything from this), but from an airflow standpoint the statement you made about laminar vs turbulent airflow is false. It is far more complex than that obviously, but the best way to think of it is in terms of a golf ball. A smooth ball will not go as far because the turbulent airflow at the surface caused by the divets actually allows for a more laminar flow overall. The same is true in this case. The rough surface makes it easier for the boundary layer of air to "detach" from the surface and in the end likely allows for a smoother more efficient flow overall. This also has the added benefit of less noise and list drag so the fan can spin more freely through the air. Hope that makes sense. I tried to explain it as simply as I could. Love the videos!
Does Aorus 4090 Master fits in the upright gpu bracket in o11 evo case? If so, does it interfere the top and bottom 360mm fans installation?
4:32 I think one of the Gigabyte shitvents are broken a bit here, lmao? Or what is that thing on each vent with LED?
The Founders Edition looks soooo professional
You didn't mention the changes nvidia did to the vapor chamber, and heat pipes that has a lot to do with the increased cooling, especially the modifications of the vapor chamber
Does the Aorus card or the Founders Edition card use ball-bearing fans?
"can probably just cut it open", love the hacker attitude.
Aib 4090 are all too big. Might have too miss out due to size, Can't get Founders Edition in Australia. Help Please.
so 4 x 8 pin``s = 32 going into a 24 + pin grid going into a single 12 + pin /++ side pin array is a data link ? 🤔, where did sli move to ? Does the Seat Prong have More Contact points ?
8:17 according to Intel's design guide those 2 pins are CARD_PWR_STABLE (power good) and CARD_CBL_PRES. both of them are optional and they are "not for the purpose of the Add-in Card to determine the
power limits available to it"
4:33 …. The Aorus RTX4090 has a damaged fan black near the “fan hub” (fan centre) at the top right corner 🤦♀🤦♂🙈
That criticism can be levelled at the entire PC industry, so many of their gamer products are aimed at what at times feels like 12 year olds. I don’t use a PC anymore for my daily driver largely because of this reason. I don’t want a fridge lit up like a Christmas tree on my desk.
Do you have to send them back the GPU after reviewing if they send you a GPU? Or there's an agreement that does not allow you to take off some parts of the GPU?
When will the first reviews come out? October 12 or before?
We need propeller engineers to design this stuff, Curvature and depth of blade towards the radiator/heat mass so that lift (air flow) goes to where it is needed. Shark fin textures are a marketing thing.
Does only one blade have an led? I'd expect two or three so it balances.
He missed the opportunity of saying: I'm a huge fan of this huge fan.
The extra fan diameter would not take into account the middle part of the fan, which does nothing for airflow, so 15% sounds about right!
Do you think 4090 FE will overclock as high as the Strix OC both with EK water block