@@EpicAndrew97 Doesn't make it right. It just gives an excuse for the criminals to use police brutality to dismiss certain pieces of evidence and testimonies. They could even use his anger as a way to say that in his frustration, he planted evidence, and the defense doesn't need to prove it. They just need to create that doubt and get the criminal off. Police are human and having human reactions is natural, but as an adult you are required to control those reactions.
one of the reason I love this show is because stabler could beat a confession out of a perp better then anyone. but he has never done violence to anyone ok right sure.
One of my favorite regular L+O lines from him is when he's commenting on having talked with a teenager accused of killing a little kid, and I'm paraphrasing, "I talked with him for two hours and all I got out of him was he likes rollerblading and Nintendo. Big deal, so do I." I cracked up.
Say what you want about cops and detectives in America, what you say to a psychologist should stay between you and them. The guy at the beginning should be held responsible for accessing and revealing this information. As for Stablers violent fantasies, I think they make sense, he's dealing with the worst humanity has to offer. It's not his thoughts that he should be judged for but his actions. He has done things he deserves to answer for, but this wasn't one of them.
if i remember right, Cragen goes back to the commission, listing off the types of crimes Stabler has seen, namely ones with child victims. he then says something along the lines of, "as a parent, as a person, i is natural to punish those who would do such terrible things"
"Is there anyone on this panel who doesn't share Det. Stabler's hatred for the perpetrators? This man is a good cop, as his commanding officer I stand with him and every good cop who faces these horrors day after day and has the strength to keep their impulses in check. Now if you can look at these pictures (crime scene photos) and not understand that, the problem here isn't Elliot Stabler,is it. Captain Cragen
I think this brought about one of the dumbest part of the series in regards to Stabler later down the line. Whenever someone always called out Stabler's antics, they'd always bring up how he THOUGHT about killing criminals whenever he gets violent with someone or does something against the rules. Why this is dumb is because they ignore the MANY cases of him actively assaulting suspects (some of which didn't actually DO anything and weren't the perp they were after) in custody which WOULD be the bigger issues to bring up when questioning his character. It's like they were afraid of giving the other side of the argument too valid of a point.
To be honest I just shrugged those moments off by stamping the status quo sticker, because Stabler isn't the only character that gets off from semi- consistent fireable infractions on a nearly episode-by-episode basis since we have Rollins doing fireable offenses almost every episode since she joined the cast.
If my memory serves me correctly, this was the first role I ever saw the great JK Simmons in, and I remember how I straight away gravitated to his on screen presence, despite it being such a small role.
Did those commission guys have nothing better to do than to talk about firing cops who’ve spent the night with an old suspect or have had fantasies about killing perps? Honestly, I thought the whole thing was ridiculous. What about those corrupt cops or the ones who’ve committed police brutality? They ever go after them?
This scene and season where filmed in '99 or 2000. Pre 9/11 several police districts where looking at draw downs and tightening requirements. And in the shows timeline the SVU unit was a few years old and according to the files and reports becoming a problem. (In show numerous conflicts with internal affairs etc.)
It's really fascinating, in some ways this has only gotten better, more nuanced, with the times. When it aired, most people--including the showwriters--would probably have nodded along with Munch. Cop shows are full of "tough on crime" mavericks who play by their own rules (In some ways, Stabler is more conflicted than most cop protaganists are). The audience was meant to mostly sympathize with Stabler--and really, you still do. Of course he gets mad, seeing that sort of violence, and having his daughter exposed to it. Who wouldn't be? Fifteen years on the job has left him with some trauma. Of course he feels betrayed by his psyche confession being brought out to a commission, and of course the idea he might lose his job is torturous. But now, most viewers tend to be more on the commission's side. A cop who fantasizes about killing criminals is indeed a red flag. We can practically read the headline: "Killer Cop confided in shrink 20 years ago that he fantasized about killing perps" It makes sense to us why a psychologist would be alarmed to learn a detective like Stabler was struggling with fantasies like that, and think his superiors should know. It even makes sense why the commission would be alarmed and demand an investigation, possibly with an eye toward removing Stabler (honestly, given Stabler's behavior in literally ALL of SVU, they have a point). You can see why the cops react with such anger and defensiveness to the commission, but you can also see why the commission is doing what it does. I do miss Briscoe. Briscoe was on the force for a lot longer than 15 years, and he didn't let it turn him into a powderkeg--just a stand-up comedian.
How did Merrit Rook know stabler wouldn't kill him since he fantasies about killing perps unless him job and family prevents that which is what stabler nemesis Gordon rickett said,I mean stabler would have killed him and lost everything if it wasn't for Olivia,wish is why he pushed out they locker because he knew it but wanted too
This feels more like a prequel actually. Keller broke down and went on a crime spree. Schillinger's racist tendencies became known at his job, then he went out and beat up his kids' dealer.
The biggest mind screw of this scene - I’m pretty sure this was during Oz. These guys were playing Skoda/Schillinger and (un)Stabler/Keller if not concurrently at around the same time. Mind completely blown.
@@artytoons B. D Wong another one that was main character on both shows. And pretty much most the cast from OZ has been a guest star at one point on SVU.
Fantasizing about killing people ignoring their legal right to due process is also a part of rogue cops, so how did he not see that as an obvious problem? Then to admit until he saw it was a "good kid, star of the community" and then he deserved better. That's not a fantasy for a fantasy, that's intent if he ever pulls a trigger. He saw it as okay until it was someone with connections that could afford to go after him for murder.
Where in the Sam Hell did you get that from? First, he told the first psychologist that he thought about killing perps after he finished a case where a well to do family were keeping a young woman hostage and caged under their bed and the wife had murdered the young woman's aunt. Second, he told Skotia that he thought about shoving the gun down the perps throat because his daughter saw it and he wishes to protect her. He then relents also when it turns out the victim had assaulted the perp when they were younger, when he said that the perp, "Didn't deserve that, he deserved better." Your interpretation makes it seem that if Elliot could he would, the truth is that Elliot is a man whose has a mission of protection for those who need it with an intensity of 11 to achieve that said goal.
I hated stabler as a character, it always seemed as if he was always having the same anger issues, facing em, dealing with em, and then two episodes later boom same thing all over again, wash rinse repeat. Made me seasick.
I am not sure you guys are aware these two actors were on the prison show OZ together. They are accustomed to playing extremely complex characters on these shows and movies.
I'm surprised they're holding the phyc thing in what looks to be a Chapel, you'd think a police department would have rooms of its own and a priest would have better things to do with his Chapel than cop therapy
stabler might have made good tv but he was an awful depiction of a cop, all the more worse because the show always depicted the victims of his brutality as guilty and deserving of it - rationalizing his behavior as justified
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Stabler: "I have NEVER done violence to ANYONE!"
Me: [laughs in every season of SVU]
And the Stern way he said it. LOL there’s comps of him beating people up 😂😂 gotta love Elliot
@@dalaynamedina8608 most of the people he had beaten up deserved it
@@EpicAndrew97 Doesn't make it right. It just gives an excuse for the criminals to use police brutality to dismiss certain pieces of evidence and testimonies. They could even use his anger as a way to say that in his frustration, he planted evidence, and the defense doesn't need to prove it. They just need to create that doubt and get the criminal off. Police are human and having human reactions is natural, but as an adult you are required to control those reactions.
one of the reason I love this show is because stabler could beat a confession out of a perp better then anyone. but he has never done violence to anyone ok right sure.
You sound so woke
J.K Simmons is one of my favorite character actors ever. From Skoda in SVU,to Mack Maguff in Juno to Farmer's Insurance
And J Jonah Jameson in the Spiderman movies. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw him in that, it's just so different from Skoda, but just as good.
And Chief Pope in The Closer
He’s also the voice of the Yellow M&M!
One of my favorite regular L+O lines from him is when he's commenting on having talked with a teenager accused of killing a little kid, and I'm paraphrasing, "I talked with him for two hours and all I got out of him was he likes rollerblading and Nintendo. Big deal, so do I." I cracked up.
And the voice of Cave Johnson in Portal 2!!
Say what you want about cops and detectives in America, what you say to a psychologist should stay between you and them. The guy at the beginning should be held responsible for accessing and revealing this information. As for Stablers violent fantasies, I think they make sense, he's dealing with the worst humanity has to offer. It's not his thoughts that he should be judged for but his actions.
He has done things he deserves to answer for, but this wasn't one of them.
cold and detectives in America?
if i remember right, Cragen goes back to the commission, listing off the types of crimes Stabler has seen, namely ones with child victims. he then says something along the lines of, "as a parent, as a person, i is natural to punish those who would do such terrible things"
@@c3wichman Wish i could see that, dont know where to watch it here in Norway. Hope its made available for streaming soon.
I agree!
"Is there anyone on this panel who doesn't share Det. Stabler's hatred for the perpetrators? This man is a good cop, as his commanding officer I stand with him and every good cop who faces these horrors day after day and has the strength to keep their impulses in check. Now if you can look at these pictures (crime scene photos) and not understand that, the problem here isn't Elliot Stabler,is it. Captain Cragen
"Why are you looking at the floor, Stabler? There's no fucking Snickers bar there... So tell me, were you rushing or were you dragging?"
"ANSWER!!!"
rushing.
SO YOU DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE?!?!!
I think this brought about one of the dumbest part of the series in regards to Stabler later down the line. Whenever someone always called out Stabler's antics, they'd always bring up how he THOUGHT about killing criminals whenever he gets violent with someone or does something against the rules. Why this is dumb is because they ignore the MANY cases of him actively assaulting suspects (some of which didn't actually DO anything and weren't the perp they were after) in custody which WOULD be the bigger issues to bring up when questioning his character. It's like they were afraid of giving the other side of the argument too valid of a point.
Yeah, I will always have a soft spot for SVU but it's 100% copaganda
To be honest I just shrugged those moments off by stamping the status quo sticker, because Stabler isn't the only character that gets off from semi- consistent fireable infractions on a nearly episode-by-episode basis since we have Rollins doing fireable offenses almost every episode since she joined the cast.
@@bombabombom3603 Which is asinine for a show like this that TRIES to have some kind of continuity. It makes the "heroes" look like sociopaths.
Stabler: "I have NEVER done violence to anyone!"
Me: *(Jameson laughs)* "You serious? Never done violence to what, pine cones?"
Are you kidding me? Chris Keller and Vern Schillinger. Oh man. This is really wild.
Just missing Beecher in this scene
@@GABRIELA-ACEVEDO. I was waiting for him to walk in. lol
I just was about to say that lolol
It gets better, first season you had Ryan O'Reilly. These guys must have had no time off between Oz and this.
I kept waiting for Father Tobias to walk in
I always loved Kragen. He looks so good on screen. So commanding.
He's awesome
And he supports and defends all the people under him like a father
Scolds them when they've f-d up & backed them up when needed. Didn't make it, chug it or swam in the kool-aid.
Stabler: I have never done violence to anyone!
Me: Okay clearly we're watching different shows
Also me: *(does Mr. Jameson laugh)* "You serious? Never done violence to what, pine cones?"
Jeffries' hair is stunning 😍
To think that this came out right before J.K. Simmons exploded in popularity with Spider-Man.
“Never done violence to anyone”
*cue all 12 seasons of Elliot doing violence to anyone*
If my memory serves me correctly, this was the first role I ever saw the great JK Simmons in, and I remember how I straight away gravitated to his on screen presence, despite it being such a small role.
i just am waiting for him to say "AND GET ME PHOTOS OF SPIDERMAN"
He's in cahoots with William Lewis. I KNEW he was a menace!
Did those commission guys have nothing better to do than to talk about firing cops who’ve spent the night with an old suspect or have had fantasies about killing perps?
Honestly, I thought the whole thing was ridiculous. What about those corrupt cops or the ones who’ve committed police brutality? They ever go after them?
Also considering that they have cops who have murdered innocent people on camera, the idea that they would be punished for this stuff is laughable.
This scene and season where filmed in '99 or 2000. Pre 9/11 several police districts where looking at draw downs and tightening requirements. And in the shows timeline the SVU unit was a few years old and according to the files and reports becoming a problem. (In show numerous conflicts with internal affairs etc.)
@@SouthernMercenary This was only the second season
Sometimes I feel so bad for kragen since he had to deal with a lot
And he stopped drinking long before that 😅
It's really fascinating, in some ways this has only gotten better, more nuanced, with the times. When it aired, most people--including the showwriters--would probably have nodded along with Munch. Cop shows are full of "tough on crime" mavericks who play by their own rules (In some ways, Stabler is more conflicted than most cop protaganists are). The audience was meant to mostly sympathize with Stabler--and really, you still do. Of course he gets mad, seeing that sort of violence, and having his daughter exposed to it. Who wouldn't be? Fifteen years on the job has left him with some trauma. Of course he feels betrayed by his psyche confession being brought out to a commission, and of course the idea he might lose his job is torturous.
But now, most viewers tend to be more on the commission's side. A cop who fantasizes about killing criminals is indeed a red flag. We can practically read the headline: "Killer Cop confided in shrink 20 years ago that he fantasized about killing perps" It makes sense to us why a psychologist would be alarmed to learn a detective like Stabler was struggling with fantasies like that, and think his superiors should know. It even makes sense why the commission would be alarmed and demand an investigation, possibly with an eye toward removing Stabler (honestly, given Stabler's behavior in literally ALL of SVU, they have a point). You can see why the cops react with such anger and defensiveness to the commission, but you can also see why the commission is doing what it does.
I do miss Briscoe. Briscoe was on the force for a lot longer than 15 years, and he didn't let it turn him into a powderkeg--just a stand-up comedian.
How did Merrit Rook know stabler wouldn't kill him since he fantasies about killing perps unless him job and family prevents that which is what stabler nemesis Gordon rickett said,I mean stabler would have killed him and lost everything if it wasn't for Olivia,wish is why he pushed out they locker because he knew it but wanted too
Oh how I miss Cragen so much. And Elliot and Munch
Well I hope this isn’t SPOILING anything at all but Elliot is coming back on April 1st for a new episode of Law & Order svu and for his own new show
4:09 Chris Keller and Vernon Schillinger are released from prison. One becomes a cop; the other, a psychiatrist (Oz fans will probably get this).
This feels more like a prequel actually. Keller broke down and went on a crime spree. Schillinger's racist tendencies became known at his job, then he went out and beat up his kids' dealer.
Only if they'd made it out of Oz.....
All we need is Beecher.
0:47 first appearence of Cabot
This is the episode where Cragen starts telling the board at the end about some of the HORRIBLE cases they've worked?
Came for the Keller/Schillinger comments and was not disappointed
Simmons: I want evaluation
To evaluate spiderman
To know why he does what he does
And I want pictures too
J. K. Simmons is always a treat to watch
j.k simmons yelling is a real treat to me.....that knows how to relax me
Helping a fellow prisoner from OZ
Poor Monique, she didn't deserve that.
The biggest mind screw of this scene - I’m pretty sure this was during Oz. These guys were playing Skoda/Schillinger and (un)Stabler/Keller if not concurrently at around the same time.
Mind completely blown.
George Huang too. He was Pastor Ray and a Paychiatrist at the same time
In the episode "Pandora", Stabler almost shot a sleeping purp out of anger .. it's a nice character development and a nice reference to this episode
Stabler: No I will not talk to you, shrink. But yes I do have dreams…
Law and Order: OZ
I totally forgot about that...
OZ reunion
TV-14 rated version. Dean Winters was a SVU detective too.
I’d watch that
@@artytoons B. D Wong another one that was main character on both shows. And pretty much most the cast from OZ has been a guest star at one point on SVU.
Stabler being allowed to be Stabler is exactly how its run fan favorite or not. He was a hot head who overstepped constantly
"Elliott, we've talked before. It wasn't that long ago we were locked up together, c'mon give me the benefit of the doubt"
I really want to see Jeffries return in Svu or maybe organized crime. Or maybe skoda. Elliot really needs help rn
Bruh after seeing oz this just looks weird
J.K. Simmons rules!
J.K. Simmons being a psychologist. Who knew!
And he would normally be a lunatic trying to scrub New York of Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire, Tom Holland).
Well, he IS the Owner of the Daily Bugle, so...
Ol Vern and Keller
Cragen had to deal with Det Logan. Stabler’s comparatively a saint
I can’t see Skoda and Stabler in one scene without thinking of Schillenger and Keller
Having Vern Schillinger as a psychologist. Yikes.
It is now cannon to me that this is the Chris Keller and Vern Schillinger in the next life.
Just in the first episode of the second season, the Captain gets angry!
Love how Simmons and Meloni reunite after being in Oz together
Chris Keller & Vern Schillinger From OZ
Fantasizing about killing people ignoring their legal right to due process is also a part of rogue cops, so how did he not see that as an obvious problem? Then to admit until he saw it was a "good kid, star of the community" and then he deserved better. That's not a fantasy for a fantasy, that's intent if he ever pulls a trigger. He saw it as okay until it was someone with connections that could afford to go after him for murder.
Yeah, but it's about par for the course for how they wrote him. Weird that we were never supposed to notice that he could have been a lot... stabler.
@@saoirsevicteoiria2759 i should not have laughed at this as hard as i did.
@@mmelomaniacc I'm glad I gave you a laugh!
Where in the Sam Hell did you get that from?
First, he told the first psychologist that he thought about killing perps after he finished a case where a well to do family were keeping a young woman hostage and caged under their bed and the wife had murdered the young woman's aunt.
Second, he told Skotia that he thought about shoving the gun down the perps throat because his daughter saw it and he wishes to protect her. He then relents also when it turns out the victim had assaulted the perp when they were younger, when he said that the perp, "Didn't deserve that, he deserved better." Your interpretation makes it seem that if Elliot could he would, the truth is that Elliot is a man whose has a mission of protection for those who need it with an intensity of 11 to achieve that said goal.
Vern Shillenger is a therapist now and Chris Keller became a cop.
9 January 2022🎁🎂
Happy Birthday J.K. Simmons from Grosse Pointe Woods, Michigan 🌷🎈
I hated stabler as a character, it always seemed as if he was always having the same anger issues, facing em, dealing with em, and then two episodes later boom same thing all over again, wash rinse repeat. Made me seasick.
Then step on land smartass
Same. I also strongly dislike they brought him back with 0 consequences for anything
I am not sure you guys are aware these two actors were on the prison show OZ together. They are accustomed to playing extremely complex characters on these shows and movies.
Correction, this is from Season 2, episode 1. not episode 2
Yeah that's what I was thinking as well, because this the Last episode with Detective Jeffries and the first with ADA Cabot
The public hates tough cops till they need one... How true...
J.K Simmons was on law order wow I never knew that like as a Detective or just a guest star?
Psychiatrist
To think Dr. Skoda is played by the same guy who is the old guy in all those Farmers Insurance ads....
And he's the yellow M&M.
@@JnEricsonx you forgot the president in Red Alert 3
@@toomanyaccounts Haven't played it.
It is
"Listen, Stabler. I want you to get me pictures of Spider-Man!"
Cragen is awesome. I love this show. 😎😁🙂
Hard to believe the SVU can get most of Sam Raimi Spiderman cast
JK Simmons, Rosemary Harris, Alfred Molina.
It's Season 2, Episode 1
Chris keller and Vern schillinger.
Soooooo has he told you where he really comes from? His son Mark learned the hard way...
I love law and order
What episode is this? I need to watch the whole thing!
First episode of the second season which introduces Fin and Alex Cabot
@@madunwagbo4769 Thank you so much!
Great Episode
What episode?
Ice-T is my Favorite
I'm surprised they're holding the phyc thing in what looks to be a Chapel, you'd think a police department would have rooms of its own and a priest would have better things to do with his Chapel than cop therapy
if you had paid attention, the psyche was doing outreach there.
4:50 president Ackerman from red alert 3
Paul Wasilewski is now known as Paul Wesley.
This episode is a big waste considering they are legally breaking the law on doctor and patient confidential agreement
Psychiatrists are required by law to report if patient is likely to hurt someone or themselves. Or if they committed a crime or likely to commit one
@@joewhitehead3 where does it say that
@@davidmeyers9595 This psychiatrist basically said that & patients also often sign contracts
@@joewhitehead3 Sleeping with a suspect isn't against the law or dangerous. So why did they share hers?
@@WadeAlma That I don’t know
Let's be honest, Stabler should never have been a cop.
In real life Stabler woulve been sacked for everything he's got away with on SVU, justified or not
Stephanie March 😍
She was only in her mid-twenties at the time
Skoda? Where is Dr. Huang?
It was several episodes before he made his first appearance
Would you believe it if i told you these two were later be serving prison time together?
Schillinger and keller back together again...
stabler might have made good tv but he was an awful depiction of a cop, all the more worse because the show always depicted the victims of his brutality as guilty and deserving of it - rationalizing his behavior as justified
Welcome
What episode and season is this
I think it is season 2 episode 1 since iced t is not there
@@Petdoc-yw2tb actually ICE T makes his first appearance at the end of this episode
Cabot is a fox
Watching this clip reminded me what a hottie Stephanie March is.
Season 2 Episode one from 2000/2001 season
Doctor patient privilege.
What bullshit.
Dont take that tone vlack woman 🤣🤣🤣
Fbi.plz.hlp...
Ugh. Michelle Hurd was never good in this role.
Jjj
Funny how the Black lady lost her job on this show but all the white actors kept their posts hmmm
Replaced by Ice-T, the longest cast member not named Mariska Hargitay.
She was replaced by a black man
@@joewhitehead3 ice tea don’t count
@@carshenaeunicebaker1964 Why not?
@@carshenaeunicebaker1964 Also, the psychiatrist, whom she talked to, was a black lady
YES Like
never liked stabler....