Sorry that I am catching this right as it ends, so watching from the beginning because I don't know much about this Vtuber stuff and I'm fascinated and even in my mid fifties I like learning new things. I know I will learn something I don't know right now by the time I finish this video and that's something I really like about Legal Mindset. Keep doing what you do.
@@Broomhilda2010 if you're a viewer of Legal Mindset and want to learn about Vtubers, an interesting place to start could be the same place that Legal Mindset started in that sphere: with the termination of Selen Tatsuki and the huge industry-shaking drama which followed. I say "interesting" because it's a case study which shows some of the problems with corporations within the sphere, and is also legally interesting, though it doesn't necessarily show the full extent of what Vtubers generally do day-to-day, but it does give some glimpses of that through seeing how the people in that sphere reacted to the events (and seeing how Andrew reacted to the bits of Vtuber culture they send him through those streams gradually exposes you to them a little bit by proxy) The Selen Tatsuki termination happened starting in February 2024, and Legal Mindset had some streams around then covering that topic, as well as one or two videos just explaining what a vtuber is for an outside audience. But the Selen Tatsuki/Dokibird and Nijisanji affair is a really fascinating thing, to see a company create such a colossal PR and legal disaster - and to see the victim come back much stronger than they ever were at the company. There are also some good videos on that subject by FalseEyeD, Rima Evenstar, DepressedNousagi (look for the videos they made around that time or a little later, particularly referring to the company "Nijisanji", "Selen", or "Dokibird"), as well as there was a couple of good videos made by Armcha1rExpert which analyse that situation from a PR perspective (plus the video on Zaion Lanza is also worth a watch because it's actually a related topic). Plus if you want just the memes, Parrot4chan covered a lot of the memes from around that time that were circulating 4chan. So not everyone's cup of tea, but I find parrot funny. Sorry for the unprompted suggestions, but if you want, it's a really interesting case study which can reveal both some of the problems with the sphere and some of the good things too.
No extradition from Puerto Rico is laughable. Puerto Rico is an Organized Territory of the U.S. Same as extradition from one state to another. They could also prosecute her in Puerto Rico which has a Federal District Court -- if that court has jurisdiction for Tax Evasion charges. She could likely make a deal with IRS to pay it off with a payment schedule.
16:17 at least it seems hololive doesn't attempt to actually put that kind of pressure post-graduation, not even in japan. aqua graduated 2024-08-28, debuted as sakuna on 2024-10-27, and had youtube superchats rolling in by 2024-11-20. i would not make a similar statement about nijisanji. i also wouldn't be surprised if much of the non-virtual idol industry is doing that very kind of shenanigans.
The problem is never regulation, it's regulators. The problem is that when you start to regulate it has a tendency to feed itself, similar to how HR functions and become a bloated system where regulation regulates regulation. If you can stop this mindless expansion, at a basic level regulation is useful.
Really well put! It's easy to liken what goes on in certain VTuber agencies to the old Hollywood studios & how they "managed" & treated the talent. You're absolutely correct it's not the regulation per se, it's when the regulators become tyrannical.
14:58 i will note that in the virtual entertainer niche, rebranding is much more common (and much more drastic) and a streamer may play one character with one identity and another character with a different identity. they also don't normally use personal accounts, so former indies still have their old identity to fall back on. and in general, branding is relatively fluid in vtubing and people associate models with person + brand, not just person. so a forced rebrand, while expensive, is still significantly easier to power through in vtubing as long as creators are able to connect the dots from their corpo persona to their indie persona as they leave. banning streamers from connecting those dots (either indie to corpo or corpo to indie) is where it becomes objectively anti-competitive even by western standards. and that needs to stop being normal asap. edit: i do recall a big falling out over music labels and hollywood trying to claim ownership of physical likeness in the us, only to get smacked down repeatedly by the courts in the mid 1900s. wonder if japan's idol industry is going through a similar phase now.
14:20 This had been a LOOOOOONG time issue in the Japanese entertainment industry as a whole. There has been a court case about it (at least the one I know about) and other instances as well. It changed a little after the whole SMAP incident (and 3 of the members left, although they still had a period of no work). But the WHOLE industry needs to change the culture behind it. Edit: added a word.
Yes this will be good. I think that once the JTC issues their opinion on the matter we will see a small upheaval. The Black companies will attempt to say that this doesn't apply to VTubers because they're not actresses, but by definition a VTuber "pilot" is a voice actor/puppeteer and that squarely makes them under this. Lidia Nekozawa dropped this before New Years (she seems to be taking the daily news while false takes the weekly (gives him time to do follow up on the stories as well
@@EndoftheBeginning17 I agree that vtubers are/should be considered actors/actresses because it's no different from voice acting in an anime or anything similar. I think the vtubing agencies are trying to find loopholes so they can "save money." It's just that the whole entertainment industry in Japan is pretty bad and while vtubers should be treated the same as regular talent, talent agencies in Japan have their own history of really bad behavior.
"dancers" had this issue back in the 80s and 90s we were not allowed to have full control over let's say branding and 18+ entertainers had a lot to deal with but if we could get it figured out so can Vtubers. hope to debut when I can.
Same but i like the vods on YT because even with the ads you miss nothing, unlike the twitch live streams, you lose live stream content because Twitch runs the ads while the streamer is talking, making them intrusive. on YT, the creator can turn off monitization for the live stream itself and then get ads for the VOd but you lost no content and its only 2 ads at a time, most of which are skipable
Puerto Rico and Guam have sitting members in both HORs ( House of Representatives) and Congress they are 1 step from being States to the point they get Fed money like any other state
A lot of entertainment companies in Japan are Yakuza owned, which includes Vtuber talent agencies. So some of these companies acting horribly isn't surprising.
37:00 Grown adults shouldn't have to act like they're talking to a preschool class, when they are trying to have a meaningful discussion about a topic.
Gaijin working in back-end tech in Japan for a decade, but this migration to "Irium" has very "black company" vibes. :/ If you've got a dedicated app, it means you've got dedicated infrastructure that could also stream out to youtube/twitch/prontube/whatever at the same time to pull in more eyeballs. So something sus is going on. :(
Changing your model and stage name when you leave an agency seems like a no brainer. The agency are the ones that developed the IP. They came up with the name, created the model, etc. It belongs to the agency. Just like Marvel/Disney own Ironman. RDJ can't go around making his own movies about Tony Stark or Ironman without getting permission and/or paying Marvel/Disney to do it (and they would probably say no).
Sorry that I am catching this right as it ends, so watching from the beginning because I don't know much about this Vtuber stuff and I'm fascinated and even in my mid fifties I like learning new things. I know I will learn something I don't know right now by the time I finish this video and that's something I really like about Legal Mindset. Keep doing what you do.
Always happy to entertain and educate!
@@Broomhilda2010 if you're a viewer of Legal Mindset and want to learn about Vtubers, an interesting place to start could be the same place that Legal Mindset started in that sphere: with the termination of Selen Tatsuki and the huge industry-shaking drama which followed.
I say "interesting" because it's a case study which shows some of the problems with corporations within the sphere, and is also legally interesting, though it doesn't necessarily show the full extent of what Vtubers generally do day-to-day, but it does give some glimpses of that through seeing how the people in that sphere reacted to the events (and seeing how Andrew reacted to the bits of Vtuber culture they send him through those streams gradually exposes you to them a little bit by proxy)
The Selen Tatsuki termination happened starting in February 2024, and Legal Mindset had some streams around then covering that topic, as well as one or two videos just explaining what a vtuber is for an outside audience. But the Selen Tatsuki/Dokibird and Nijisanji affair is a really fascinating thing, to see a company create such a colossal PR and legal disaster - and to see the victim come back much stronger than they ever were at the company.
There are also some good videos on that subject by FalseEyeD, Rima Evenstar, DepressedNousagi (look for the videos they made around that time or a little later, particularly referring to the company "Nijisanji", "Selen", or "Dokibird"), as well as there was a couple of good videos made by Armcha1rExpert which analyse that situation from a PR perspective (plus the video on Zaion Lanza is also worth a watch because it's actually a related topic). Plus if you want just the memes, Parrot4chan covered a lot of the memes from around that time that were circulating 4chan. So not everyone's cup of tea, but I find parrot funny.
Sorry for the unprompted suggestions, but if you want, it's a really interesting case study which can reveal both some of the problems with the sphere and some of the good things too.
It’s so over bros we’re so cooked 😭
Straight to Jail...unless you play Tax Heaven 3000
@@LegalMindset
PLEASE MISTER MINDEST DONT SEND OUR STINKY CAT TO TAX JAIL! PLSSSSSS
No extradition from Puerto Rico is laughable. Puerto Rico is an Organized Territory of the U.S. Same as extradition from one state to another. They could also prosecute her in Puerto Rico which has a Federal District Court -- if that court has jurisdiction for Tax Evasion charges. She could likely make a deal with IRS to pay it off with a payment schedule.
16:17 at least it seems hololive doesn't attempt to actually put that kind of pressure post-graduation, not even in japan. aqua graduated 2024-08-28, debuted as sakuna on 2024-10-27, and had youtube superchats rolling in by 2024-11-20.
i would not make a similar statement about nijisanji. i also wouldn't be surprised if much of the non-virtual idol industry is doing that very kind of shenanigans.
The problem is never regulation, it's regulators. The problem is that when you start to regulate it has a tendency to feed itself, similar to how HR functions and become a bloated system where regulation regulates regulation.
If you can stop this mindless expansion, at a basic level regulation is useful.
Really well put! It's easy to liken what goes on in certain VTuber agencies to the old Hollywood studios & how they "managed" & treated the talent. You're absolutely correct it's not the regulation per se, it's when the regulators become tyrannical.
14:58 i will note that in the virtual entertainer niche, rebranding is much more common (and much more drastic) and a streamer may play one character with one identity and another character with a different identity. they also don't normally use personal accounts, so former indies still have their old identity to fall back on. and in general, branding is relatively fluid in vtubing and people associate models with person + brand, not just person. so a forced rebrand, while expensive, is still significantly easier to power through in vtubing as long as creators are able to connect the dots from their corpo persona to their indie persona as they leave.
banning streamers from connecting those dots (either indie to corpo or corpo to indie) is where it becomes objectively anti-competitive even by western standards. and that needs to stop being normal asap.
edit: i do recall a big falling out over music labels and hollywood trying to claim ownership of physical likeness in the us, only to get smacked down repeatedly by the courts in the mid 1900s. wonder if japan's idol industry is going through a similar phase now.
The government is coming for my anime girls! Its time to panic!
Don't make this go down like ruby ridge you feds!
I wonder if Johnny Somali has been filling his taxes with the IRS! 😲
39:01 Mindset offers up the most amazing, albeit, a bit dirty, "not legal advice," tax advice ever!!!😅
Bond already got rid of their YT group a few months ago. They apparently sold that branch to Lucid which is another small corpo.
Thanks
14:20 This had been a LOOOOOONG time issue in the Japanese entertainment industry as a whole. There has been a court case about it (at least the one I know about) and other instances as well. It changed a little after the whole SMAP incident (and 3 of the members left, although they still had a period of no work). But the WHOLE industry needs to change the culture behind it.
Edit: added a word.
I would like to add there was an actress who had to change her name after leaving several years ago.
18:22 😂 exactly who I just mentioned in my first comment. I swear that agency is especially notorious for it😅😂
25:21 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yes this will be good. I think that once the JTC issues their opinion on the matter we will see a small upheaval. The Black companies will attempt to say that this doesn't apply to VTubers because they're not actresses, but by definition a VTuber "pilot" is a voice actor/puppeteer and that squarely makes them under this. Lidia Nekozawa dropped this before New Years (she seems to be taking the daily news while false takes the weekly (gives him time to do follow up on the stories as well
@@EndoftheBeginning17 I agree that vtubers are/should be considered actors/actresses because it's no different from voice acting in an anime or anything similar. I think the vtubing agencies are trying to find loopholes so they can "save money." It's just that the whole entertainment industry in Japan is pretty bad and while vtubers should be treated the same as regular talent, talent agencies in Japan have their own history of really bad behavior.
Is the daki for the tax dating sim tax deductible if you use it on stream?
...ideas
Andrew you sent me down the vtuber rabbit hole so thanks a lot. Binging Savii, SmugAlana, etc. 😂
Welcome!
"dancers" had this issue back in the 80s and 90s we were not allowed to have full control over let's say branding and 18+ entertainers had a lot to deal with but if we could get it figured out so can Vtubers. hope to debut when I can.
46:00 “you did not pay the mindset tax”
Of course she didn’t, she didn’t pay her other taxes
Missed stream because I'm forced to work like an adult. Unfortunately. But glad to watch vod to kill time at work
Same but i like the vods on YT because even with the ads you miss nothing, unlike the twitch live streams, you lose live stream content because Twitch runs the ads while the streamer is talking, making them intrusive. on YT, the creator can turn off monitization for the live stream itself and then get ads for the VOd but you lost no content and its only 2 ads at a time, most of which are skipable
Andrew, only a casual fan of government regulation.
Casual at best
@@LegalMindset I do enjoy having one regulated household voltage/frequency/socket-type in my electrical system.
Puerto Rico and Guam have sitting members in both HORs ( House of Representatives) and Congress they are 1 step from being States to the point they get Fed money like any other state
Imagine paying taxes to the Empire or Morrowind's king (in the game TES III: Morrowind). Sure couldn't be me.
A lot of entertainment companies in Japan are Yakuza owned, which includes Vtuber talent agencies. So some of these companies acting horribly isn't surprising.
another awesome informative live stream
I dont waste my time filing taxes because there is no point because i have no income
Thank you for the stream
congratulations!
45:55 🖐💰💸💰
also f for Fauna
Me as a puerto Rican laughing at someone thinking the us government can't take someone away by force there xD
37:00 Grown adults shouldn't have to act like they're talking to a preschool class, when they are trying to have a meaningful discussion about a topic.
Gaijin working in back-end tech in Japan for a decade, but this migration to "Irium" has very "black company" vibes. :/ If you've got a dedicated app, it means you've got dedicated infrastructure that could also stream out to youtube/twitch/prontube/whatever at the same time to pull in more eyeballs. So something sus is going on. :(
Changing your model and stage name when you leave an agency seems like a no brainer. The agency are the ones that developed the IP. They came up with the name, created the model, etc. It belongs to the agency.
Just like Marvel/Disney own Ironman. RDJ can't go around making his own movies about Tony Stark or Ironman without getting permission and/or paying Marvel/Disney to do it (and they would probably say no).
1.25 speed is the best speed
I got 2 turbo tax ads during tax evasion. XD
Dang legal mindset has 2 apartments sheesh
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