Londoners forced to store bikes in most 'awkward' places

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  • @bbclondon
    @bbclondon  2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    What bike storage issues do you face? Read more: bbc.in/3um4Xrd

    • @veskovarbanov
      @veskovarbanov 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I face another much bigger issue- that rents are skyrocketing and many people are forced to either leave London ro just become homeless, but no one cares to report on that...

    • @pabloblanco2656
      @pabloblanco2656 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Finally a true professional that knows how the body actually works. You are more educated than amERRORican doctors.

    • @SG-df9er
      @SG-df9er 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@veskovarbanov BBC only serves the Davos agenda. They don't actually like people.

    • @thebrowns5337
      @thebrowns5337 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@veskovarbanov welcome to tory britain

    • @djham2916
      @djham2916 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      None. I have three sheds in my garden lol

  • @RedShipsofSpainAgain
    @RedShipsofSpainAgain 2 ปีที่แล้ว +542

    Pretty embarrassing for London. Lots of other cities and countries have built infrastructure to support local cycling transportation. Look at any Dutch town. They put London to shame with their wonderfully thought out and logical underground bike hangar garages.

    • @getstrongby4038
      @getstrongby4038 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Lol we have those it's just stupid to leave your bike outside unless it's worth nothing

    • @Solidcancer07
      @Solidcancer07 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      That's a ridiculous comparison. Amsterdam is the cycling capital of Europe. London just started. Give it time. Its like calling Amsterdam's tube system (or Randstad in general) embarrassing when comparing it to London. Each place has its strengths and drawbacks and needs to grow. Brits are too self pessimistic.

    • @GilesWendes
      @GilesWendes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @John Brown no, but your comment is.

    • @finlaymcdiarmid5832
      @finlaymcdiarmid5832 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or you could just invest in a proper outdoor rack, or a wall rack like a normal person.

    • @GilesWendes
      @GilesWendes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      @@finlaymcdiarmid5832 1. wouldn't get permission from landlord. 2. wouldn't save much space 3. doesn't stop navigating narrow hallways/stairwells and carrying bikes to top floor flats.

  • @a1white
    @a1white 2 ปีที่แล้ว +633

    Ridiculous that in some boroughs it’s free to park a huge SUV for the year (because it happens to be a hybrid) yet you have to pay over a £100 to safely store your bike on the same road (if you’re lucky enough to have a space even)

    • @adam6543
      @adam6543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      It isn't free to park, when you grow up you will learn what road tax is

    • @a1white
      @a1white 2 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      @@adam6543 Go on, tell me what “road tax” is then 😂

    • @SnowofLight
      @SnowofLight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      @@adam6543 What's the road tax on a hybrid Adam?

    • @swedneck
      @swedneck 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@adam6543 Please do inform us foreigners on how road tax works in the UK!

    • @ryanparker4996
      @ryanparker4996 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      The smart thing would be to not live in London in the first place

  • @oghomelesskid
    @oghomelesskid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +261

    as an outsider looking in, it would seem like the actual problem isnt being addressed.

    • @jakestewart8784
      @jakestewart8784 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jneale7715 brainless remark.

    • @suppaduppa
      @suppaduppa 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Of course not. Why would they ever do that? It will highlight the chronical incompetence of government. They keep creating/importing problem to come up with solutions that will come at the cost of more taxation or the stripping away of more liberties of the citizens. That is their business model to keep their jobs. Politicians are only needed when there are problems to be solved. T keep your job you need creative ways to create problems that need (pseudo)solving. The causes of the problems are not addressed. Just like modern medicine, there is only money to be made in treating symptoms. Politicians and big pharma are criminals... all of them.
      Most problems stem from government intervention in the free market. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM: governments.

    • @aburden8580
      @aburden8580 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      When empires stop expanding.
      Flotsam and jetsum return-unwanted.
      AKA
      Diversity is our strength.

    • @jbonegw
      @jbonegw 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed. Throw all the bike thieves into the ocean. Far off into it at that.

    • @onegrapefruitlover
      @onegrapefruitlover 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Bikes are more easily stolen than cars, it’s just the nature of it. Bike hangars are a quick solution, but eventually a joint police/community effort will pay off in the long run.
      We need both

  • @rogercantwell3622
    @rogercantwell3622 2 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    This is one reason Bromptons sell so well. It's not just about putting them on trains, it can be about storing a bike at home. Sadly they are now priced like Veblen goods.

    • @jidduv
      @jidduv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      One word. Mobot.
      The Brompton patents have expired so some copycats are free to use their design.

    • @bikersquest
      @bikersquest 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed, Bromptons are a very good alternative solution but currently thieves are assaulting people for them due to that status they have. I wish more of those cheaper Asia clones were available here. Anything else which gets close to the Brompton in terms of practicality ends up costing the same or more....

    • @datboyyy9975
      @datboyyy9975 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah but Bromptons are in high demand for thief’s cos there worth a nice bit

    • @graememorrison333
      @graememorrison333 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jidduv My god, they look tacky!

    • @marleyhill34
      @marleyhill34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      After going nowhere due to the pandemic, I managed to save the money for the Brompton so it worked out for me. If it's not at home with me, it's locked up and work indoors to an immovable object, usually the stair railings. yes I lock it at work because I know people who had their bikes stolen from inside the work building because some nupty left the door open. Yes I have it insured, it cost the same as a small car!

  • @AbzRaz
    @AbzRaz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    It's ironic that the government is encouraging cycling while we see issues like this. You can't ask people to do something without providing accessible means to safely engage it. It's ridiculous as usual.

    • @max11111able
      @max11111able 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oooooh poor cyclists! You need to get with the program!
      Motorcycles have the same issues and they also get stolen but they even pay road tax! Cyclists don't obey the rules of the road either and they are constantly passing red lights, they cycle on the pavement, they cycle through pedestrian crossings,they go down one ways, they damage and scrape up cars and then run away thinking they are not liable, they instigate road rage! If you ask me, cyclists should at the very least pay road tax like every other road user !
      If you want a secure place to store you bike go and pay for a gargae rather than being a cheap entitled person hating on motorist who actually pay road tax to use the road, some pay hundreds!

    • @rangipetur
      @rangipetur 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@max11111able Most people who paid road tax in the UK are long dead, as it was abolished in 1937.

    • @AbzRaz
      @AbzRaz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@max11111able when did I hate on motorists? I'm a motorist myself, I don't even ride a bicycle lol! I'm just making an observation that it's ironic that people are encouraged to cycle by the government while they are neglected when it comes to secure cycle parking, especially in places like London where most people live in flats. And I agree motorcycles have issues with theft too, but this video is about bicycles. I also agree cyclists should contribute some form of road tax to use the road. It seems like you replied to someone else's comment lol, as your points are irrelevant to my initial comment

    • @freemanol
      @freemanol 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@max11111able it isn't about fairness. It's about what sort of society we want to become. The US decided it wanted everyone to drive everywhere. But many see the benefits of incentivising cycling to improve traffic, air quality, and public health.

  • @NitroNuggetTV
    @NitroNuggetTV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +218

    the parking problem isn't really about when you're home, I've kept mine inside my home in the past, slightly annoying but its fine. Its once you're out and about or commuting there's no where safe OR convenient to lock them up. because of this I often end up walking if its local, or driving if its to far. This problem stems directly from thieves, not storage, storage doesn't even keep your bike safe. London's crime problem has got wildly out of control in the past 8 years. I suggest they work on solving that, maybe then we can start reducing the dependence on cars in London. sadly though, I don't think our problems are going to vanish any time soon... or ever tbh.

    • @mgproryh
      @mgproryh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I live in the Midlands outside of even a city here. About 2 years ago two of my friends where out mountain biking rode through the local park and had a machete pulled out on them and couple thousand in bikes taken. Police did absolutely nothing even though the dudes face is clearly in video, like absolutely crisp clean imagine machete in hand. The theft of bikes is an issue UK wide. City or not.
      My shed got broken into for my bike a year ago that's behind a 10 foot fence, gravel driveway, flood lights and then break into the locked shed. Luckily I had two locks chaining about 5 bikes together which they tried to get at and did, but I guess I either spooked them (I was still awake and somehow didn't see them) or they figured they couldn't get it back over my gate. No amount of reasonable security stops it
      Bottom line is if it's not a person they don't care too badly, property is replaceable, we don't live in the US where you can defend you property to the death. You've just gotta let it get taken

    • @philhartley833
      @philhartley833 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Wouldn’t even want to visit London anymore, seems a bit stabby these days

    • @jodzdayrit3175
      @jodzdayrit3175 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Im from Davao City, Philippines we dont have problem with thieves' here the police kill them!.

    • @BaldMancTwat
      @BaldMancTwat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Pretty easy to catch em. Just start doing "bait bikes" with trackers in them and arrest the perpetrators. After a while of doing that, word will get around and it will definitely improve the theft rates.

    • @userhandler0tten351
      @userhandler0tten351 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@philhartley833 cuz, you ever seen the news for Harris county Texas or Polk County Florida?

  • @jebbo-c1l
    @jebbo-c1l 2 ปีที่แล้ว +195

    just build storage like they do in Denmark and Holland. The more people that cycle the less traffic for people that have to drive

    • @PHlophe
      @PHlophe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      there is zero space left to use in most Londoner boroughs

    • @D-A-A-
      @D-A-A- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Ye people don't think about that, absolute eye sore having them bins on the pavement like that, UK is a shambles, roads are awful, public transport awful, fuel prices awful, walking and cycling awful, these modern countries designed for cars more than anything to keep them making money on fuel but when it comes actually driving the government think smart motorways are actually smart, terrible ideas and terrible planning

    • @jakieboiZ94
      @jakieboiZ94 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That kind of logic isn't welcome here

    • @Boxbeat666
      @Boxbeat666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@PHlophe can knock down all that Chinese and Saudi investment own property but sado khan wouldn't have that

    • @ItaintmeCCC
      @ItaintmeCCC 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PHlophe Maybe they can utilise car parking bays etc

  • @Macbobob
    @Macbobob 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Fully support this - I had two bikes stolen in London from outside my front door, and I was on the waiting list for a bike hanger spot for 3 years. Naturally, 3 months after I moved out of London I got an email saying a space had become available.
    I used to live in Tokyo and bike parking facilities were amazing. Such a shame that in London we don't do everything we can to encourage as many people as possible to cycle. It's not just the climate - it means safer streets, fewer cars and congestion, cleaner air locally and healthier residents.

    • @ashholiday123
      @ashholiday123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The problem is bike crime. It'll get nicked within a week.

    • @skymanifest8339
      @skymanifest8339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Bike theft is part and parcel of living in a "vibrant" and "diverse" city. Tokyo is mostly Japanese, ie monoethnic. Hence it has less crime.

    • @HALFSQUASHED
      @HALFSQUASHED 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@skymanifest8339 So by that logic if London was only full of English people there would be no bike theft. Keep on dreaming, lol.

    • @ryanparker4996
      @ryanparker4996 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@HALFSQUASHED significantly less. I doubt you have the anthropological knowledge or the balls to figure out why. But its true.

    • @ryanparker4996
      @ryanparker4996 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@skymanifest8339 Diversity is our undoing

  • @M3PH11
    @M3PH11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    I'm 16 seconds in and as a cyclist who does not live in London i can tell you 2 things. 1) this is not just a problem in London but you can buy wall mounts to store bikes in your living room, hallway etc and 2) it is much easier to move a bike around on the back wheel only. Don't try to pick it up and then walk down stairs. You will eventually hurt yourself one way or another

    • @centuriondubs3727
      @centuriondubs3727 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      I do live in London and I work in a bike shop dealing with people's commuter bikes and so I feel I am well placed to explain to you why what you've said is totally innacurate. 1: most people's commuting bikes (or bikes that they use as their only vehicle) have full mudguards and, as such, it's not possible to wheel them down stairs on the back wheel without causing damage.
      2: there is not space in most flats (which is what London is mostly comprised of) to mount bikes on the wall and, furthermore, doing so is deceptively consuming of space, often at the expense of a kitchen table, sofa or desk (especially pertinent as most people have of late been encouraged to work from home).
      3: Seeing as you don't live in London your opinion is totally irrelevant and offers no insight whatsoever into this growing problem.

    • @Warentester
      @Warentester 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@centuriondubs3727 Thank you for spelling this out so clearly. I fully agree with your points 1 and 2.
      This said, the ad hominem in point 3 was totally unnecessary

    • @centuriondubs3727
      @centuriondubs3727 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Warentester fair comment on point 3; in hindsight probably unnecessary. I stand by it though.

    • @ansaam9583
      @ansaam9583 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      She lives in a top floor flat. How can she store it in someone else’s property? Anyone with half a brain can figure this out. Do you think she carries it up the stairs for lols even though she said she is so out off….. it is more of an issue in London due to the lack of space.

    • @centuriondubs3727
      @centuriondubs3727 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Russian-Missile Factory destroyed surely if the bike is hanging from the ceiling that would make you Damocles?

  • @TheSamwhyte
    @TheSamwhyte 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    No point in having domestic bike storage for commuting if you still have no where to lock it up when you get to work

    • @sporqist
      @sporqist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      We have these things at work but not at home. You gotta start somewhere :)

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Uh, Brommie.
      Next.

    • @marleyhill34
      @marleyhill34 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I work in a small supermarket branch. No space for non-folding bikes inside. At the bigger branches in the chain, you can bring your full size non folding bike indoors. people keep them under the stairs. So I have a folding bike that I keep indoors at work chained to the stairs. In case we get any unexpected visitors snooping around the back of the supermarket. ( has happened before)

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marleyhill34 Good support, unless those unexpected visitors are the fire marshals.

    • @marleyhill34
      @marleyhill34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@whazzat8015 lol! Trust me mate, there's worst things in the back of a supermarket for the fire marshalls to worry about than a few bikes under the stairs. They are not on the actual steps obviously....🤣🤣🤣🤣. Sadly in my tiny convenience branch, there are things(not bikes. Stuff like bins, extra baskets, stock and packaging for Deliveroo) stored on the steps which I'm assuming the fire marshal okayed. It's been there for over a year and the way how everything is stored, a particularly fat fire marshall won't be able to get through. Yeah, management never thinks about that just more profit, especially with Deliveroo. Let's just ram as much stock into a tiny supermarket as possible. It's so bad that we have to store the empty cages outside and then bring them in every night. 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

  • @rodericksmit4557
    @rodericksmit4557 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Amsterdam talking here.. I know London is just catching up however you can learn from the Dutch about what does and doesnt work.
    What works:
    Cheap bikes
    Good locks
    Swapbike (bike subscription)
    Expensive bikes with GPS tracking ( e.g. Van Moof) which have there own team to localize stolen bikes
    Insurance for expensive bikes
    Undergound bicycle parking
    Etc...
    What is being suggested here, the type of storage, will NOT work. Have you ever seen these on a large scale in NL?
    If we want to build out our subway infrastructure or business district we will look at London and take best practises.
    I am baffeled London does not do the same when it comes to bike storage

    • @wlchiswick
      @wlchiswick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Half this stuff doesn't work here. You just can't keep bikes in public anymore without them being stolen.

    • @ben6089
      @ben6089 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      London is slipping into the Third World

    • @wlchiswick
      @wlchiswick 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ben6089 Theft just isn't looked into here so the criminals just getter bolder and better at thier profession

    • @xxxenricop
      @xxxenricop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's sensible talk ...so un-British 😛

    • @delPigeon
      @delPigeon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfortunately you can have as good as lock as you want here but the thieves go around with angle grinders. A gold class D lock will deter thieves if the bike looks skanky, but if it's a nice bike in a public place, they'll wait for an opportune moment and be through that lock in max 1 min.

  • @invalidavatar
    @invalidavatar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    there are thieves in the Netherlands too, however people have the opportunity to lock their bikes safely against proper bike racks and have the opportunity of storing their bikes in bike garages.
    if so many people have the same problem, it's systemic in nature so it requires systemic solutions.

    • @aburden8580
      @aburden8580 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Try again. Define environment and system.
      Systemic is one of these 'catch-all' 'buzzwords.'
      Admitting there is crime, or specific types of crime isn't "systemic." It's opportunistic.
      Education campaign. Warning. Hot spot policing. Arrest. High profile jail/fine/community service. Problem solved.

    • @robertomalatesta6604
      @robertomalatesta6604 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@aburden8580 If so many people wouldn't get so many bikes, there wouldn't be so many bike thefts. Paradox only need apply.
      Cyclist should be taxed on the differential between what they get fron the Council in terms of infrastructure and what they give in terms of vat on petrol to the central government.
      If they consume no Brent at all, all registered cyclist should pick the bill between themselves.
      Guess they could claim "tarmac support" and "cycling benefits"...
      To be fair, a fair govmnt. would detract from the above taxes a "no-pollution" quota which would be technically difficult to determine and prone to cheathng anyway, so that it might be scrapped from the plan.

    • @georgeyboy8186
      @georgeyboy8186 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@robertomalatesta6604 do you really want to live in a world where you can’t even ride a bike without being charged “tarmac tax”. We’re all taxed to the high heavens as it is.

    • @georgeyboy8186
      @georgeyboy8186 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@robertomalatesta6604 and how exactly do you determine how much the cycling tax payer gets in terms of infrastructure from the government

    • @invalidavatar
      @invalidavatar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@robertomalatesta6604 car users pay tax because car usage is a great cost to health, living quality and road maintenance. bikes are space efficent and deteriorate roads far more slower than cars, it takes decades of high volume traffic. they don't cause congestion. they don't kill people in case of accidents, for stress-related diseases and pollution.

  • @p3p3_Frog
    @p3p3_Frog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Why not do what the Dutch did?
    They build a massive bike storage facility underground with tones of space

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      After clogging their streets and squares up with cars back in the 70s.
      we learn from our own mistakes ?

    • @bugsygoo
      @bugsygoo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Because the Dutch know how to run a country.

    • @ianross225
      @ianross225 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Because we made public transport expensive and inefficient plus cars generate far more income from taxes/duty etc. That is the real addiction.

    • @Warentester
      @Warentester 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We are very bad with underground solutions in London. Parking lots and bins take up valuable surface space

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dutch know how to trust each other and work together, mostly.

  • @michellezevenaar
    @michellezevenaar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I live in the Netherlands and will share the tips that work here.
    The lock should be as expensive as the bike. 2 or 3 locks are normal, 1 to lock the front wheel to the frame, 1 to lock the back wheel to the frame and 1 to lock the bike to a pole or tree or fence or to another bike.
    If you want to put it inside and you live upstairs use the space above the stairs with a pulley system to lift the bike up above your head. Its an investment but worth it. 2-3 bikes should fit. If its very high you can get more bikes up by lifting by only the front wheel.

    • @salsamancer
      @salsamancer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      At this point just move out of the city, who wants to live with so many people who don't care about you and want to steal your things

    • @michellezevenaar
      @michellezevenaar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@salsamancer theft and jerks are ever where in every country.

    • @Warentester
      @Warentester 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Unfortunately ceiling height is very low in most UK flats. I love the idea of using the space under the ceiling, but pulling the bike up is not an option that works in many UK houses.

    • @marleyhill34
      @marleyhill34 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A fellow dutch student told me that it needed to be triple-locked with two different kinds of locks. My locks (£125)costs more than my regular bike.( secondhand £50). Now the electric brompton that get's triple locked indoors. If I'm really neurotic, I can insist it goes in the office with the safe. Lol! I just lock it to the stairs at work out of everyone's way.

  • @ricojakkakarico-che2561
    @ricojakkakarico-che2561 2 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Politicians say one thing and do another and we keep voting them
    In… that’s just madness!!

    • @nonnius2861
      @nonnius2861 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      this is a low iq response.

    • @paulsawczyc5019
      @paulsawczyc5019 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Free men do not vote for a master.

    • @darrylmac6150
      @darrylmac6150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paulsawczyc5019 correct. Your master chooses himself and then banishes you if you go against that 🤣🤣

  • @nei1s
    @nei1s 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Friend of mine paid annually for a secure storage at the local tram station. Locked with security cameras and thieves kicked in the outer door and the inner door to steal 3 bikes, (including his) turns out the cameras aren't monitored and bikes are not insured so what was the point?. Never bothered using it again!!

  • @georgewaller7080
    @georgewaller7080 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Having lived in London for 8 years (and left) it seems to me to you have o be a masochist or delusional to be an everyday Londoner. In practice this means compromising on almost all normal commodities you'd expect anywhere else, pay 4x the price for them and then lie to yourself on why it's all worth it.

  • @youxkio
    @youxkio 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Leaders spent generations planning the urban areas for motorized vehicles. Now it is time to make a transition in transit modes and adjust the infrastructure to environmentally friendly resources of traffic.

  • @markbeesley6583
    @markbeesley6583 2 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    It's crap, the whole country over, our culture is all wrong, we need to break down the barriers to why people don't ride and change the attitude that the car is king

    • @kaykunz
      @kaykunz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Cat owners also get parking tickets aswell.

    • @maxrockatansky1772
      @maxrockatansky1772 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@kaykunz and dog owners lol sorry..

    • @geeoh8287
      @geeoh8287 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The car is king though. I cycle, but car is more efficient for most of my trips.

    • @einundsiebenziger5488
      @einundsiebenziger5488 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Being a cyclist from a city that is home to one of the major German car manufacturers and where "car is king" was the credo of traffic planning for the last 60 years, I can tell you these are London's problems only and they are nothing but bizarre. Here, most houses have bike racks in front of them or in the backyard, or garages and even dedicated bike cellars, and unless you live in a particularly small flat, there is room in the corridor or on the balcony to store your bike. There are no fees in any German city or community to park your bike outside. Of course bikes get stolen, even from bike cellars, but that's what you have insurance for. It's "car first" infrastructure that prevents people from using their bikes more, not parking fees and theft.

    • @ahassen1236
      @ahassen1236 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Riding a bike was frowned upon as early as in the 1930s and the car was the future. We have gone backwards because greener cars took so long and roads are so tight and cramped. Rather be in a warm zero emmission car with wide roads, and ride a bike for fun at the weekends

  • @jamesdepopbuy9723
    @jamesdepopbuy9723 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thank you to anyone campaigning to get cycling easier for Londoners. I love cycling in London and I have noticed a big improvement in the infrastructure since I have started cycling.

  • @roboko6618
    @roboko6618 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    There's an Elephant in the room nobody is talking about.
    People talk about bike theft like it's a given the same way people talk about not letting their kids play outside like it's a given.
    Nobody is willing to address the real problem for fear of being called -ist or -phobe etc. So we would rather have dangerous streets.

    • @IIIIIIIIIIIIIIlIIIIIIIIIIII
      @IIIIIIIIIIIIIIlIIIIIIIIIIII 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Think BBC had blacklisted the phob and ist words. Comments automatically get deleted.

    • @darrylmac6150
      @darrylmac6150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, when you live in a built up area, you're always going to see thieves. How do you propose the already understaffed police deal with cycle theft? The best way to deal with it is not live in a city.

    • @thefirstFlashJack
      @thefirstFlashJack 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How thick do you have to be to believe this is about race rather than class. It's honestly pathetic how easily you've been duped by the people on top.

    • @RandoBurner
      @RandoBurner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@darrylmac6150 Certain cities.

    • @JustinCrediblename
      @JustinCrediblename 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IIIIIIIIIIIIIIlIIIIIIIIIIII youtube has a very elaborate auto-censorship algorithm, too. It's a global financial takeover, and we're all expected to invite the new lords and masters of our next fiat currency.

  • @techspot871
    @techspot871 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    It's sad that this is even necessarily. Gone are the days where you could leave a bike laying on the street.

    • @ticklingoscillators1852
      @ticklingoscillators1852 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Diversity is strength.

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@ticklingoscillators1852 Diversity is strength. only if you can communicate and work together
      Transportation is a system, a team sport. not an individual game. No team, no game. Doh.

    • @definitelynotatroll246
      @definitelynotatroll246 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can where I’m from in wales, but we are 30 years behind the rest of the uk

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@definitelynotatroll246 In the US you can't leave them locked and inside. Land of the free home of depraved.

    • @Devotee777
      @Devotee777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@whazzat8015 If you're not getting your bike stolen, you're getting hit by a drunk driver.

  • @hunteraaa2666
    @hunteraaa2666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    In the uk it costs nothing for someone to commit a crime, that is a real problem! I’ve got 4 bikes stolen over the years and I’ve gave up.

    • @sn5301679
      @sn5301679 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Woke activist: this is reparation!!! Pay the sins of your ancestor!!!

    • @marleyhill34
      @marleyhill34 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've had my bike for nearly 6 years. Second hand bike £50. Kryptonite D lock gold standard sold secure £50. Kryptonite lock cable £15. Abus ivy gold standard sold secure chain lock: £50. It's more trouble than it's worth cutting through all of that for a second hand bike on the police register. It was a fellow Dutch student who told me to use a D lock and a chain lock and different brands as the theif will have to come with a full tool kit for different locks. Someone really determined will make quick work with a mini angle grinder....about 5 minutes. The Brompton goes inside and locked to an immovable object.... Not your desk unless it is welded to the floor.

  • @Joshua-dx7zn
    @Joshua-dx7zn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You mean it cost 4x as much to store as a bike as it does to get a car parking permit when the parking space for the bike rack seems to handle 12 bikes?

  • @dazzothegreat
    @dazzothegreat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    There is literally a whole country that has integrated bikes into its society... takes notes britain...

  • @Joesharpp
    @Joesharpp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    So instead of the government encouraging people to cycle its actually the cyclists encouraging the government to make it possible

    • @simonh6371
      @simonh6371 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yep and putting up with loads of backlash from car drivers too.

    • @Bswithjay
      @Bswithjay 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s is very obvious everything is done by the government is for profit. The country is in debt and how will we pay these man made debts? Work,bills, a wrong left, car fines car insurance etc so if it doesn’t make money it won’t be heard of. And yes the new bike lanes will be paid for at some point

  • @Dannysince1985
    @Dannysince1985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    10 year old me - "I'm definitely riding down these stairs".....

  • @our-days-are-short8254
    @our-days-are-short8254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Simple, give bike theft a guaranteed 10 year prison sentence. I know that some wouldn't be caught but some do and it should be enough to make the risk to costly.

    • @brianhurley3343
      @brianhurley3343 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Why not work harder and buy a car 🤣

    • @bertiewooster3326
      @bertiewooster3326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Personally I'd send them to Rwanda instead along with half the UK population.

    • @xinaesthetic
      @xinaesthetic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@brianhurley3343 🤣because we’re in a climate crisis 🤣 and we need clean air to breathe 🤣 and the list goes on and on…

    • @somersetbiker
      @somersetbiker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@brianhurley3343 You want more traffic congestion? No accounting for taste.
      Anyway, many, if not most bike users run cars too. It’s not a binary either/or thing.

    • @simonm1447
      @simonm1447 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@brianhurley3343 Because some people want to use bikes, because they are sometimes more practical. I'm not a Londoner or a Brit, but I use bikes daily despite having a car

  • @joematthews8221
    @joematthews8221 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Just improve the design, make it a double decker

    • @randomman1752
      @randomman1752 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah add some elevators and that togo underground ? Use the old tunnels init ?

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oddly the folks across the Channel figured this out.

  • @TheWestIsDead
    @TheWestIsDead 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I love being a Yorkshire man, I can actually do a full stretch and not accidently poke my neighbour in the eye.

    • @6ettinold
      @6ettinold 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And you aren't having to pay £3,500 a month in rent whilst being unable to stretch.

    • @kasimsultonfan
      @kasimsultonfan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Best thing in London? Road north.

    • @tomsharpe2251
      @tomsharpe2251 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@kasimsultonfan as my old dad says the best thing in London is the first train out

    • @klx-y
      @klx-y 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      you can fart and no one Will hear of it.

    • @c0mputer
      @c0mputer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Highlander here. I like looking out my window and not even seeing my neighbors. Once the leaves fall I can make out a white dot of the house next door. But in general is awful up here, not even worth a visit. Stay in the south is what I recommend you do.

  • @visjenl
    @visjenl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Simple solution, build those storage facilities stacked multistory with a lockable door 2,5 more paces. Then place a rollable garagedoor in front.
    Look at trainstations in the netherlands

    • @ryanparker4996
      @ryanparker4996 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even simpler solution: move out of London and leave it for the dregs that inhabit the cursed place

  • @peterah7957
    @peterah7957 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    This should be free.. Council taxes should cover this extra cost

    • @bikersquest
      @bikersquest 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That would be too reasonable you know. It seems like everything is a big contradiction right now.

    • @djham2916
      @djham2916 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some households have more than one bike and some have none. So how do you apportion the spaces fairly?

    • @MoonThuli
      @MoonThuli 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@djham2916 The same way you would with parking spaces

    • @djham2916
      @djham2916 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MoonThuli but they're not free

    • @lmaoroflcopter
      @lmaoroflcopter 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@djham2916 the same way they do with parking permits.

  • @jackhon
    @jackhon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I worked in London for 12yrs and lost 6 bikes to theft.
    Once a whole bike rack was taken on Tottenham Court Road whilst I got takeaway for 5mins, once it was locked in my backyard in a guarded compound. In the end I chained it to my bed and never ever left it outside only home and work car park.

    • @PHlophe
      @PHlophe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      6 bikes in 12 years. Hon me thinks you've been a bit reckless that is 9 too many . I am willing to wager you get a discount for each new purchase ..That's what's up. but now you have it chained to your bed but then can't be practical when you are *knocking the boots* . Like how do you improvise with position without knowing it down.

    • @MoonThuli
      @MoonThuli 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PHlophe He's probably good enough to do it sat on his bike

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Register them and add scannable number plates.
      Just takes a will to do it.
      Transportation is a system, a team sport. not an individual game. No team, no game. Doh.

  • @Random.ChanneI
    @Random.ChanneI 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This is a golden opportunity for London. Remove as many parking spots for cars and replace them with bike racks!! There’s clearly more demand for bikes and that’s something very positive

    • @durdevdan6947
      @durdevdan6947 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      it rains in London like every day no one uses bikes in England

    • @Random.ChanneI
      @Random.ChanneI 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@durdevdan6947 then who are all the people that are waiting for a place to store their bicycle? In my country the weather is also terrible but nobody cares.

    • @asuprem3307
      @asuprem3307 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Random.ChanneI it doesn’t matter I’m more than certain large number of those people who are on that waiting list also own a vehicle. It’s just a convenient place to store a bike instead of bringing it into the house.

  • @jaridkeen123
    @jaridkeen123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bikes are more important than cars.

  • @sashalogan7605
    @sashalogan7605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Quick question... why have you made electric longboards illegal? Its green and easy to store!

    • @pierrebe4492
      @pierrebe4492 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Especially green when the electricity you use is created by burning coal or gas... Pointing at Germany here haha

  • @lone8869
    @lone8869 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Every day i am grateful i don't live in London..what an utter pit of a place to live.

    • @themindsetvideos
      @themindsetvideos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      As someone who has grown up in London I completely agree with you...

    • @desapole
      @desapole 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      London's cycle provisions leave a lot to be desired but they're still a fair bit better than the average British city. You sound quite passionate about the place. It's a big city, I wouldn't paint it with one brush

    • @grime_garage
      @grime_garage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I always laugh when people say things like this but you will never hear them say what town they are from.

    • @semb12
      @semb12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Londons great

    • @kasimsultonfan
      @kasimsultonfan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Toilet of a place.

  • @thebrowns5337
    @thebrowns5337 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This isn't just a London issue although cycling is more accessible in London, due to the better standard of cycle lanes the capital has.
    Theft levels are high in the midlands too and no doubt elsewhere.
    Plus vandalism - not sure whether this is unsuccessful theives, drunks or just cycle haters (which we do seem to have a lot of in the UK) is rife. Leave your bike in street parking at a railway station and if it isn't stolen the wheels will have been kicked beyond repair.
    The UK needs to do so much more to support cyclists. Lots more cycle lanes - and with proper segragation, secure storage and educating drivers about the new highway code changes which do protect cyclists a little more...if only drivers (and cyclists) know about them.

    • @imaXkillXya
      @imaXkillXya 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Multiculturalism at its finest

  • @Daniel-wb4lr
    @Daniel-wb4lr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Why anyone would choose to live in London is beyond me. If your wondering, I live in Derbyshire.

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What cant you do in Derbyshire that you can in London ?
      I'll start you
      1 money

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're not your

    • @shahee6579
      @shahee6579 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Family

    • @grassytramtracks
      @grassytramtracks 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jobs and money

    • @ryanparker4996
      @ryanparker4996 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@julianshepherd2038 whats the point in having loads of money of youre giving most of it to your landlord for the cupboard you live in

  • @WhatIsThis-zq4hk
    @WhatIsThis-zq4hk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A car takes up enough space to store at least 10 bikes, yet car parking is often free but cyclists have to pay money and be treated like second-class citizens. Totally backwards

    • @WhatIsThis-zq4hk
      @WhatIsThis-zq4hk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@shauncourty4208 No they don’t, in the US at least, it’s paid with property taxes. Plus cars do the most damage to roads. Bike paths are so much cheaper

    • @Metalshark100
      @Metalshark100 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shauncourty4208 car owners don't pay tax to use the roads. They pay tax to emit carbon from their car. Everyone pays tax to use the roads, people who have jobs but don't own cars still pay tax to use the roads. Learn about where your money is going. You'll realise tax is the biggest scam on earth. Road is for the public, its not restricted to just anyone unless you don't own a vehicle. We're all paying to build and maintain the roads. Unfortunately even people who aren't even physically or mentally able still end up paying tax to help the economy which most of it gets wasted by our silly government.

    • @darrylmac6150
      @darrylmac6150 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WhatIsThis-zq4hk nobody said anything about the US buddy, this piece is in London.

    • @BigBanana55
      @BigBanana55 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@darrylmac6150 Hasn't been road tax in the UK since the 1930s. Road maintenance cost comes out of general taxation now.

  • @adrianthoroughgood1191
    @adrianthoroughgood1191 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I parked my bike in the street in London for 6.5 years. In that time it got stolen twice. At the price mentioned here that would cost £700, which is more than the bikes cost. It's a great idea but the price is too high. It's out of all proportion to the actual cost of the bike cover thing.

  • @kennyforgot83
    @kennyforgot83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    News flash, this is happening with motorcycles as well in London as thief's are running rampant around London for anything on two wheels. Seems the government need to do something to address the root cause of the problems not just stick bandages on it as I bet you a thief get past the locks of these storage units just as quick with a cordless grinder.

    • @FukYuo-yt6ir
      @FukYuo-yt6ir 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And then they can have up to 6 bikes in 1 hit easy money for Crims

    • @Joesharpp
      @Joesharpp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Whats your solution

    • @Jon.Morimoto
      @Jon.Morimoto 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Joesharpp Three-part solution: arrest thieves, convict them, then execute every single one of them.

  • @GilesWendes
    @GilesWendes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm in Camden. I live on the fourth floor and carry my bike upstairs every day because I've had two bikes stolen. There are hangers and I've applied, but I've been told that the waiting list is three years. Take my money! I'm begging.

    • @bertiewooster3326
      @bertiewooster3326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Move out of London like the rest of us with brains !

    • @javahub3269
      @javahub3269 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Act your age. Get a car.

    • @bertiewooster3326
      @bertiewooster3326 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@javahub3269 Will you fund a car then smartarse??

    • @GilesWendes
      @GilesWendes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@javahub3269 double my commute time by sitting around in traffic? No thanks!

    • @GilesWendes
      @GilesWendes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@bertiewooster3326 I like London. You're allowed to like a place and want to make changes to improve it, you know?

  • @MotoTvWoodsFarm
    @MotoTvWoodsFarm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    everything is available if you want to pay for it? Theft is a big issue everywhere in UK, probably better to have a folding bicycle and keep it inside?

    • @GilesWendes
      @GilesWendes 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's in the video. 60,000 people are prepared to pay for hangars, we're on the waiting lists. But we can't install them ourselves because the council needs to give permission. It would generate a profit for the local boroughs too. The only people to object are car drivers because one car uses the space for six or eight bikes, and they're selfish.

    • @adam6543
      @adam6543 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GilesWendes nobody is objecting to it and it will probably take 1 or car spots and car users would be happy because that is 6 less cars outside their houses replaced by 6 bikes. Also car users aren't selfish. How have they shown unselfishness

    • @GilesWendes
      @GilesWendes 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@adam6543 they're objecting all over the internet, showing the same aggression as they do to low pollution zones around schools and housing every day. I work in a school and I commute by bike. Cars literally try to push me off the road. It's called buzzing.

  • @OUTDOORS55
    @OUTDOORS55 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have a big garage and 9 acres of land, I still keep mine in the house😑

  • @DeanCallan
    @DeanCallan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    They should just replace those boxes blocking up the streets with bike storages

  • @falonthorne445
    @falonthorne445 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Get rid of parking spaces. 6 bikes take up less space than 1 car.
    More bike storage = more bikes.
    More bikes = less cars
    Less cars = more space
    More space = more bike storage.
    We've let auto mobiles be the driving force in decisions for far too long.

    • @rhoeasie
      @rhoeasie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @corleone aww you're so soft

    • @falonthorne445
      @falonthorne445 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Corleone Better survival chance, against cars. I presume?
      You don't see the irony here?
      And 4 is apparently more than 6?

  • @Jonjooooo
    @Jonjooooo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    400 bike thefts a week. That's insane. That's absolutely insane.

    • @Palpitacje
      @Palpitacje 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Someone is buying them. I'm not defending thieves but people trying to buy a cheap potentially stolen bike are equally guilty of the situation.

    • @Palpitacje
      @Palpitacje 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mrstrong2121 well duh, 100% they are. anybody buying drugs from criminals is contributing to gang violence

    • @truthseeker8483
      @truthseeker8483 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't complain..the third world immigrants make life in London so progressive....so many new experiences...

  • @MrCyclist
    @MrCyclist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Toronto, Canada here. Same problem in all big cities. Toronto has made a law that all new condos and apartments must have underground parking for bicycles not just cars. My wife and I bought a two bedroom condo so our second bedroom could store our four expensive road bikes safely, With a Murphy bed and rack storage, lots of room for bikes and guests. Our other two cheap city bikes are in the garage bike storage under lock and key with 24/7 camera.
    Bike parking outdoors is not viable since you need to have ready access to your bike and prevent deterioration due to the elements. Also, there is not enough room to build the storage units outside to satisfy the demand. I await a solution.

    • @garryferrington811
      @garryferrington811 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You might want to see NotJustBikes on TH-cam. Canadian guy in Amsterdam.

  • @garolstipock
    @garolstipock 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Whew.. thank goodness for suburban home ownership and a garage and basement.. I've owned as much as 18 bicycles at once and had a nice warm space to store, maintain, and build them.

    • @elliotpollard9083
      @elliotpollard9083 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      that's fine if you don't mind cycling on the roads but the suburbs tend to have shite infrastructure

    • @leetjohnson
      @leetjohnson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@elliotpollard9083 so better to live in the city, in a tiny flat, no garage, no storage, zero privacy, noise pollution, carbon pollution, and not even be able to afford or park a car because "the city has better infrastructure "? Sounds like you need to get your priorities straight.

  • @radioactivepotato2068
    @radioactivepotato2068 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I grew up in a second floor maisonette in South London.
    For my entire youth, I hauled one bike or another up four flights of stairs.
    I am alive.
    They're gonna be ok.

  • @Isoflix
    @Isoflix 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A Brompton is definitely the answer for many in this situation. The slightly higher cost would pay for itself quite quickly.

    • @Warentester
      @Warentester 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Riding a folding bike simply isn't for everyone.

    • @Isoflix
      @Isoflix 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Warentester I agree with you it's not for everyone, and not all folding bikes are created equal, so it's definitlely 'try before you buy'.

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Warentester Riding a bike isn't for everyone either.
      Transportation is a system. Use one that works.

    • @Warentester
      @Warentester 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whazzat8015 Agreed. But the lack of space to store a bicyle in London prevents people who'd like to cycle from using a bicycle as a mode of transport if they aren't also confident to ride a foldable bike (and have the cash to buy one).

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Warentester Systematic responses to transportation require investment and are amortized over time. They need comprehensive commitment and facilitation. Otherwise nothing works well, as we see before us. Brommies are overpriced, but that is artificial and the form is pretty solid in its niche. ? Full size bike is not niche as well? 16 and 20 inch wheels are OK in city, and pretty capable, if a bit overweight and pretty portable for anyone with health enough to ride them, laterally folding foldies, not so much, but do able.

  • @Vertignasse82
    @Vertignasse82 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Meanwhile in Japan people leave unlocked bikes on the street, sometimes with full shopping bags in their baskets. Imagine that.

  • @solidpresidential7632
    @solidpresidential7632 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    And in the middle east some people don't even lock their front door.

    • @LeontheKiller11
      @LeontheKiller11 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because they chop your fingers for theft, no wonder there is so little of it. Meanwhile in the uk u get slap on the wrist

    • @solidpresidential7632
      @solidpresidential7632 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LeontheKiller11 No. Its because they are righteous people.

    • @solidpresidential7632
      @solidpresidential7632 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      & Because God's Law is the Best Law.

    • @jonnythelegs2597
      @jonnythelegs2597 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In the middle east the punishment for theft is far greater heck just the punishment for attempted theft is worse than youre likely to get for actual theft in the UK first time round.

    • @cityzens634
      @cityzens634 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I live in a part of the UK where it’s so safe we have never locked our doors.

  • @patternsonthepalm
    @patternsonthepalm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in Brighton I used to keep my bike inside, but then one day I left it locked up outside and never went back. the problem is it ruins your bike. if I had a nice bike I wouldn't want to do that so I understand the dilemma. I think even sheltered places to lock your bike would be good, or massive bike parks at stations etc.

    • @ZJS0113
      @ZJS0113 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah and that country has literally no hills lol

    • @MarcoTheGreat2008
      @MarcoTheGreat2008 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If your bike cost a hundred quid and looks it then yeah it's ideal. But even a cheap bike that is clean and looked after will be taken by a junky who knows no better if it's in the same place every day. If they think they can make a quick £20 it will be gone.

  • @Whatreally123
    @Whatreally123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    So called "developed" country's capital. Bicycles stolen, motorcycles stolen at gunpoint/knife. Wow. 🤣

    • @dr.emilschaffhausen4683
      @dr.emilschaffhausen4683 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Soft on crime.

    • @buzzhawk
      @buzzhawk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nevermind me, I'm just a gammon starting some racism!

    • @graememorrison333
      @graememorrison333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@buzzhawk That's strange. When I read that I pictured the thieves as white. Or 'Gammon' as you call it.

    • @TucsonDude
      @TucsonDude 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Londonistan.

  • @Just-SomeGuy
    @Just-SomeGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One of many problems. The government needs to get a move on making cycling safer and more a part of everyday life.
    More bikes leads to, audibly quieter roads, visibly less busy roads, more space, safer roads, less wear and tear on the roads, cleaner air, fitter people leading to lowered pressure on the healthcare system, more time as people won't be waiting for buses, greater convenience, lower travel costs for short distances, greater mental health, no taxes.
    People will always need cars for many trips, but there is so much space for growth with cycling. Lots of people are put off by cycling simply because they see it as fitness and therefor hard work, but once you get into a routine, cycling requires very little effort with a bike set up right.

    • @tgb-vf4es
      @tgb-vf4es 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It all starts with enforcing the law.
      The police are not enforcing the law, so if your bike gets stolen, it is what it is.
      People are literally having trucks stolen off of construction sites and the police can't be bothered even thought they literally have the criminals on camera.
      This is way deeper than just bikes and bike storage.

    • @Just-SomeGuy
      @Just-SomeGuy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@tgb-vf4es yeah the police have been neutered to a certain extent. You only have to claim police brutality and the criminals seem to keep getting away with it.

  • @tctech5238
    @tctech5238 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Meanwhile e-scooters that take up 1/4 of the space are completely banned …

    • @grime_garage
      @grime_garage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They're not banned the con is that you have to use the TFL 1s.

    • @tctech5238
      @tctech5238 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@grime_garage They’re completely different, massively inconvenient, slow and only available in some areas so I’m not considering them

    • @grime_garage
      @grime_garage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@tctech5238
      I think you misunderstood my overall point
      I wasnt saying you should use them or consider using them (Government approved E scooters) I just dislike the fact the Government and TFL are trying to con the public by forcing people to use their 1s while claiming that they want to get people out of their cars.
      Ownership of E scooters solves so many problems.
      I remember when The Prius allowed people to not pay the congestion charge now they claim the 1st generation Prius is a polluting car.
      If everyone started buying push scooters theyll find a way to ban that too.

    • @airportdocumentaries
      @airportdocumentaries 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They're planning to legalise private e-scooters

  • @kash8220
    @kash8220 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Simple solution. Make the punishment for theft the loss of a finger.

  • @siriosstar4789
    @siriosstar4789 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think i would still rather have my bike in my house than on the street in one of those containers . i'm sure someone will figure out how to open them and steal the bikes .
    the only real safety is dont leave your bike outside ever and or get a dedicated insurance policy ,not one that is attached to your house insurance and make sure it will give full replacement cost at todays prices .

    • @PHlophe
      @PHlophe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      its taking it inside and out of the house that is hard work. i always took mine inside despite having a storage spot next to the bin wheelie . the one time i decided to chain it to a pole. theives snatched everything except the rear wheel .

  • @marccarter1350
    @marccarter1350 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I live in Salisbury Wiltshire, own 3 bikes. There all locked in a shed. I cycle on many country lanes, not a great deal of traffic. The air is clean. Reasons why I moved away for the city are all above.

  • @jims9751
    @jims9751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How do these people cope? It's beyond belief.

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lot's of meds, I suspect.

    • @joshm1389
      @joshm1389 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      First world problems.

  • @mrinalpati4769
    @mrinalpati4769 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My friends kids bike was stolen from the basement n police did nothing.

  • @TheLordHiggs
    @TheLordHiggs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I'm currently in Hungary visiting family. Here they don't have this bad of a problem.
    There is a huge amount of trust within communities.
    When you see food delivery people they'll often leave the key in the ignition of their bike. You'll also see a few parked cars with the window down.
    Also, council spending on local areas seems to be much more efficient then in the UK.

    • @bertiewooster3326
      @bertiewooster3326 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That won't last !!

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hungarian government says it has almost halved the crime rate since 2013.
      Unfortunately it's a massively corrupt and authoritarian government so it's probably a lie.

    • @pedrothetrainer
      @pedrothetrainer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      People love diversity and "cultural enrichment" right?

    • @bertiewooster3326
      @bertiewooster3326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pedrothetrainer Oh yer its thrust up our arses in the UK.

    • @pepperroni6252
      @pepperroni6252 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bertiewooster3326 nah it will last, in small communities where everyone knows everyone there is a lot of trust.

  • @draculastraphouse6637
    @draculastraphouse6637 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man those bikes take up a huge amount of space in those tiny apartments

  • @andy_ppp
    @andy_ppp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Can we not just start a massive campaign of catching bike thieves. They are pretty easy to catch, all the police have to do is leave an expensive bike somewhere and wait. Make it clear that honeypots are being used and put people in jail or deport them to Rwanda for all I care.

    • @finlaymcdiarmid5832
      @finlaymcdiarmid5832 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, put a lock on em that cost more than 5 quid, Or store em inside.

    • @sweetygirl165
      @sweetygirl165 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      police told me they won't even look at my case of bike theft - no wonder people are unscrupulous. it's so frustrating

    • @gregtaylor6146
      @gregtaylor6146 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd prefer said thieves be publicly hanged.

    • @SG-df9er
      @SG-df9er 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dude, why dont you focus your efforts on the thieves from D a v o s? Don't you know that "soon you'll own nothing and be happy"??

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Register them and add scannable number plates.
      Just takes a will to do it.

  • @shreeveda
    @shreeveda 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Foldable, compact bicycles are needed, that are lightweight, easy to carry and fast in unfolding / folding. Also, provide rails instead of such huge covers, to chain these folded (and locked) cycles on. Design thinking involving people, will help.

  • @Mysixshooter
    @Mysixshooter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Six cycle’s stored in ONE car parking space, this should not be a problem.

    • @bobdrooples
      @bobdrooples 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When you pay bike tax, you can take my space.
      Till then, jog on

    • @DominikNal
      @DominikNal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bobdrooples Are you unaware that cars produce fumes that everyone breathes in? I don't remember subscribing to that.

    • @Mysixshooter
      @Mysixshooter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@bobdrooples If you argument is about car drivers paying road tax to allow them to use the road, realise that “road tax” does not exist. You pay Vehicle Excise Duty (VED). This is based on engine power and emissions. Cyclists have neither engine power nor emissions, so even if they were to be taxed, it would be in the lowest rate tax band. Yes, £0. And since it would cost money to administer this, that cost would be added to your tax bill. That’s right, the road upkeep is paid for by your council tax. And cyclists, since they too live in houses, also pay council tax.

    • @bobdrooples
      @bobdrooples 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DominikNal so you grow all your own food?

    • @bobdrooples
      @bobdrooples 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mysixshooter uppity bike peasants.
      If it makes you feel any better, your tax subsidised my wife's Tesla?
      Toodles!

  • @leifcian4288
    @leifcian4288 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please don't put oil on your chain as lubricant, it just gets everywhere collects grit and destroys everything, it needs to be waxed. I think if people make a little area to maintain a bike, just enough to wipe down and remove/swap chains around its very beneficial to maintaining it. Just learning to remove and replace a chain with a rivet tool makes such a big difference as you can then wipe it and the whole bike down so much easier.

    • @leonardhpls6
      @leonardhpls6 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What you on about, rambling random shite

  • @michaelhenry4405
    @michaelhenry4405 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow, lack of thought from the government in Britain. Who would have thought.

    • @Metalshark100
      @Metalshark100 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      UK government is always two steps behind. Its no longer a shock to me, wasted tax funds aka the biggest legal scam that people who make the rules get away with.

  • @PsychicLord
    @PsychicLord 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    To sort out the current waiting list, another 10,000 of the featured 6-bike shelters are required. If London councils consider the 2-tier 20 cycle model, only 500 would be required.
    The annual cost should depend on its location..... 'on street' shelters being the most expensive, but shelters installed on 'spare' land being priced more reasonably.

  • @BsktImp
    @BsktImp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A friend couple who live in a city-centre apartment block are a bit worried because of the number of other residents who bought pedelecs/ebikes during lockdown but have nowhere appropriate to store them securely apart from in their flats. They say it's only a matter of time till there's a Li-ion battery fire - unpredictable, difficult to put out and very toxic.

    • @alexfullalove9667
      @alexfullalove9667 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If they are worried about that then they probably would be even more scared of laptops phones and iPads that also have lithium ion batteries. What a stupid comment

    • @elliotpollard9083
      @elliotpollard9083 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alexfullalove9667 no it's not stupid. there was a period where the cheaper e scooters and balance boards were sometimes exploding on charge. however, it seems to be rare for bikes

    • @AlfieDoug
      @AlfieDoug 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stop buying cheap Chinese $hit.

  • @MizMite2002
    @MizMite2002 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    a fold down wood board attached to the wall helps to move bikes back and forth with stairs.. Our bridges have metal slots to run your tires up as you walk up the stairs.

  • @leslierhodes5467
    @leslierhodes5467 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    But are you really going to store your 5 to £10,000 bike in one of these Storage lockers

  • @5688gamble
    @5688gamble ปีที่แล้ว

    Same here, a bike locker would be nice- the car park in front of my building occupies an area as large as the building! If you can set aside all of that land for the sole purpose of storing motorvehicles, you can find space for some bike lockers! Cars get entirely too much space and infrastructure, how about sharing the street with others?

  • @vickypedias
    @vickypedias 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Dude it's like they've not even heard of foldable bikes! come on now it's literally the same price and can be stored on trains, in buses, under a table, under your bed, in a small corner closet, behind the door, etc etc. Plus much easier to fold and carry up and down stairs.

    • @a1white
      @a1white 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Latest thing in London? Gangs going around on motorbikes mugging people of their Bromptons as they cycle in broad daylight, because of their high resale value.

    • @boblazar6290
      @boblazar6290 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bolloxs, the whole idea is unrealistic, this is just another humiliation for the working class forced to take responsibility for the environment. Notice no Families in the entire clip, how are working class families coping with a Car ban in London!? School and shopping, with multiple children of different ages, this just wouldn't work for them, London is a joke.

    • @Warentester
      @Warentester 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No question that foldables are great for individual transport and commute for many who feel comfortable on one, but they aren't helping to replace a lot of other trips cars are currently used for. You can't transport children on most foldables, so school run isn't covered. Also front and back panier racks for large bike bags to transport the weekly shop aren't an option on foldables.

  • @lothean2099
    @lothean2099 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Go look up this store called the container store. Will give you great solutions to storing bikes to all types of storage. I love that store.

  • @jeremyfielding2333
    @jeremyfielding2333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    What's the big deal? I was doing this 30 years ago. Bikes should be kept inside anyway or they deteriorate. That woman saying it was 'exhausting' carrying her bike downstairs really was a bit pathetic.

    • @GilesWendes
      @GilesWendes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Homes are smaller than they ever were. House shares of six people don't have space for the bikes.

    • @sweetygirl165
      @sweetygirl165 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      cyclist woman here - it's definitely a heavy lift for many smaller women, this shouldn't be too hard to imagine.

    • @seancorrigan3531
      @seancorrigan3531 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Jeremy Fielding not everyone is 80kg+ and has a 7kg carbon racer lad. Some people are smaller and have to make do with heavy bikes.

  • @leonardodavinci277
    @leonardodavinci277 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i live in amsterdam and we use special bike lanes and parking places special for them. When you go to centrail station there you can see a lot of bikes stacked on each other.

  • @globalnomad3488
    @globalnomad3488 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Just get a Brompton. problem solved!

    • @a1white
      @a1white 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And get mugged of it in broad daylight. The latest craze in London.

    • @sweetygirl165
      @sweetygirl165 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      they are way too expensive and slow

    • @jonnythelegs2597
      @jonnythelegs2597 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sweetygirl165 theyre not cheap true, but they're not slow unless you are.

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sweetygirl165 ​ That's what I said about my old GF. My Brompton, not so much.

  • @motherslove686
    @motherslove686 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to do this way back in 2006 in bangalore india, when my cycle gears was targeted by a thief.

  • @jack1d1XB
    @jack1d1XB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The serious issue is how this us leaving so many people at risk of fire death owing to blockages on the home, but and I'm gonna say it, people still have cars as well as bikes!

    • @raydavison2972
      @raydavison2972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But it will still be the Landlords fault, just like when a fire starts due to faulty equipment introduced to the property by a Tenant.

  • @serinainturkey5494
    @serinainturkey5494 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm carrying my bicycle too here in Izmir Turkey when I'm in metro train stations to go up and down using staircases since lifts are reserved and give priorities to disabled

  • @lmaoroflcopter
    @lmaoroflcopter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Imagine if...
    Someone bought a property in some areas in London.
    They kitted it out with access controls, CCTV, patrols, and multi storey bike racks.
    They added a cafe and a bike repair shop/bike hire/bike sales place to it.
    Add some showers, lockers and changing facilities.
    Charge a monthly fee for access.
    Et voila, you've got yourself a cycle business that I guarantee in a big city would rack up some major interest.

    • @janeblogs324
      @janeblogs324 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That sounds exactly like an apartment, that you can also live in

    • @lmaoroflcopter
      @lmaoroflcopter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@janeblogs324 Except its not necessarily where you live, its a place where many people can store a bike securely whilst they go about their day.

  • @hawk2million
    @hawk2million 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lived there for decades. Always had to drag my bike indoors, often up a flight or two of stairs.
    Having more storage might encourage a few more people to cycle but that's not the real barrier is it?
    It's the street layouts and the way people drive that put off cyclists.

    • @marleyhill34
      @marleyhill34 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How I cycle. quiet roads or roads with designated cycle lanes. It takes longer but still faster than the train or bus in my borough). Avoid roundabouts with more than one lane. There's a big one by Wandsworth Bridge but it does have designated cycle paths around it. Much to my relief. And for the love of God and Death stay out of the blind spot on the left of High sided SUVs, Lorries, Vans and buses. Be extra cautious at junctions or get off and take the pedestrian crossing. The junction with Putney Hill, Putney High street and the Upper Richmond Road/South circular is a death trap. I've seen way too many smash ups with cars, buses, motorbikes and lorries there to risk it on a bicycle. You have right turning buses and traffic, two lanes going into one and two buses side by side overlapping the bike lane. I avoid like the plague unless it is quiet and late at night after 8 pm.

  • @ianross225
    @ianross225 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sadiq Khan has implemented a programme of traffic worsening measures to encourage “cleaner” travel one being cycling. Such is the dire state of policing that merely storing a bicycle is an issue, riding it more dangerous on the (now) busier roads plus the added threat of theft whilst actually riding. Should you arrive safely on your bike (assuming not stolen from home or in transit) where will you leave it with a hope in hell of it being there on your return? These are issues Khan needs to address before any moves to make driving even more unpleasant.

    • @Boopop1024
      @Boopop1024 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Making driving "more unpleasant" gets more people cycling. Capacity for motor vehicles is being reduced to make space for walking and cycling.

    • @ianross225
      @ianross225 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Boopop1024 Sorry, Tom, it doesn’t. That’s from experience. Make cycling more accessible does. Positive encouragement is far better than Khan’s ludicrous and counterproductive schemes.

  • @Music4krista1
    @Music4krista1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My partner and I also live in london, have 2 bikes and struggle to store them in our flat. On top of that the roads are quite dangerous to cycle on, with no continuous cycling routes and sometimes cars parked in them. I love cycling as a sport and commute method but it’s a struggle in London

  • @stevencole4602
    @stevencole4602 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I doubt its lack of storage....its lack of trust that it wont he stolen...if you absolutely knew it wont get stolen you would leave in in the lobby or corridor of your apartment.

  • @TucsonDude
    @TucsonDude 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These problems really don't exist for riders of high-end bikes. No way, I'd park my bike out of my sight...even for errands. It comes inside with me wherever I go.

  • @meggtokyodelicious
    @meggtokyodelicious 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    London need underground bicycle 🚲 parking 🅿️ Japan and Netherlands have solutions.

  • @mikelheron20
    @mikelheron20 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Folding bikes have been around for many years. Maybe they could be improved to make them even easier to store.

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Um, or even made locally. Why I bet there is a business in that, Londoners.

  • @lunasmokezim1718
    @lunasmokezim1718 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    We are healthier, less of strain to the health system. We are less harmful to the environment and yet we are treated like second class citizens left to the wolves. Poor protection for cyclists on roads. Thieves who feast on the cycling community with zero action from police services.

    • @festo8885
      @festo8885 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's because when you get to work you smell of sweat.

    • @darrylmac6150
      @darrylmac6150 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      'Cycling community' 🤣 please tell me what you think the police can do. Have you got your bicycle registered to you? Does it have documentation that states it is, in fact, your bike? How do you expect the already understaffed police to go around looking out for your bicycle? It is your job to ensure the safety of your own property.

  • @Ukfairgrounds
    @Ukfairgrounds 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is why living in small country towns is the way to go all the room in the world

  • @bertiewooster3326
    @bertiewooster3326 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    No handrail on those stairs== illegal get onto landlord take him to court at no cost.

  • @BLACKLOVEAMERICANFLAG
    @BLACKLOVEAMERICANFLAG 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Londoners from London who live in London, my village's name is Leondon, this is a very small village with a lot of villagers and cows and donkeys 🤗

  • @Sanecheck1
    @Sanecheck1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why on earth would you live in London and put yourself willingly through this misery? Unless you’re at least on a 200 k income the place is unbearable.

    • @PHlophe
      @PHlophe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jules, ye can't just relocate when family , dog and friends are all in the same place.

    • @janeblogs324
      @janeblogs324 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Replace London with capital city in any first world country

  • @skymanifest8339
    @skymanifest8339 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cars only should be used for long distances. Family members of mine get in the car just to drive to the local shops, which are only a 5-minutes walk away.

    • @adam6543
      @adam6543 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tell that to overweight people

    • @SnowofLight
      @SnowofLight 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you going to load your weekly shop onto a bike or... ?

    • @jonnythelegs2597
      @jonnythelegs2597 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SnowofLight its easy with a trailer or a utility bike.

    • @thebrowns5337
      @thebrowns5337 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SnowofLight we have a bin lorry driver strike here, been going on since Christmas. I saw a bloke arrive at the tip on his pedal bike with trailer.
      It is perfectly possible for the majority of times - shopping, rubbish, kids, dog etc.
      Just needs the right mindset.

    • @pierrebe4492
      @pierrebe4492 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@adam6543 maybe if they walk more they wont be :p

  • @STho205
    @STho205 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cities are relics of the past. Most industry left them soon after WW2. Most ports and docks use far fewer people than 100 years ago...with much more machinery
    Cities recreated themselves to office service centers and bribe you to stay with their fabulous culture events that 99% never see, attend or can afford.
    Office jobs are mostly slug your way there so you can sit in a box with a laptop and a phone....and be counted by the HR witch. Maybe your day is broken up by numerous masked drones that bring you lunch, toner and parcels. Then you slug your way back home to a tiny upstairs flat dragging your bike.
    Leave. Leave while you can. Become a villager.

    • @leetjohnson
      @leetjohnson 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      This 💯

    • @adrianthoroughgood1191
      @adrianthoroughgood1191 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No way. City living is much more efficient from a transport to point of view because people are collected at a higher density. Public transport can be more frequent, and distances are short enough to walk or cycle a lot of the time. If you live in the countryside you probably have to have a car. Only people who need to live in the country should do so. It should be considered a luxury for others. Everyone else should live in a city so they rarely need to use a car and can hire one on those occasions.

  • @timfreeman2603
    @timfreeman2603 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s 14years since I lived in London where I was lucky to have enough room upstairs. Cost me £90 and sold it for $1000.