Took on water - hatches open on a storm on a boat with A/C Anchored at 50 meters ? Open hatches in a storm . Keel raised in a storm ? All the crew were out in 60 seconds . Guests not woken up . Its not looking great .
I am not nautical really , but isn't is quite bad form that only one passenger survived and all crew except the chef survived? 🧐 Me thinks the crew are getting the grilling of their lives right now.
I've worked on these yachts, and there's always a 24-hour watch, especially at night. The crew is responsible for monitoring all potential threats to the vessel, keeping a close eye on the radar to detect if the anchor drags and the boat starts drifting toward rocks and watching for any unauthorized attempts to board. It looks like someone failed to secure the vessel properly when the storm hit.
Thank you. I wondered why there wouldn't be more security, etc. With such wealthy and powerful guests... if I'm that rich I want someone looking out while I sleep..
I was caught in a waterspout that came straight at us and it was clear so you couldn't tell what it was and it came at us at about 40 mph or faster and by the time we started to get out of there it hit us that fast there was no other weather no lightning just this powerful fast moving waterspout probably f1 or stronger it uprooted 2 foot trees when it hit land no way this was negligence. All my best to these families
No way this was negligence? No investigation needed ? Man you may be partly right but Clearly the boat sank too fast due to 1) left hatches open or 2) hole drilled in boat by enemy (e.g.note his co defendant /colleague died in same week).
An accident of nature, no human is to blame for this tragedy, and a miracle occurred when the 1 yr old baby who has slipped from mothers grip was found by the mom , alive & brought to safety.
@@ella_max7253 It is the kiss of death. Like celebrities who tattoo their latest significant other’s name on themselves. At that moment, the relationship is over! 🤣
The issue isn't about being unsinkable. The question is why did all the crew and most of the guests wake and escape, while 6 slept thru the storm and died?
@@macpduff2119issue is about unsinkable.clearly the boat maker has said that the boat is unsinkable and obviously people believed that. But it sank and that is the issue before pointing the finger at the crew 😵💫
Its very simple to im a captain 22 years , you have weather warnings ,you tell them it’s not safe to be onboard atleast woman and kids children, go ashore the severe weather goes it will be safe , and obviously secure the vessel for the worst with or without them on board IT IS SAFETY FIRST NO MORE . Why would you want to be on severe weather on a yacht near the coastline when you easily can be safe on land
Yes our captain, a charter vessel 110 foot Horizon FD110 in Bahamas cancelled 2 days worth of trips to be safely anchored in harbor. The charter guests (Americans) tried to sue our charter company as they paid for 10 days and got 8 days worth of cruising. They are now blacklisted from all charter requests in Caribbean. Drunk, high on coke, rich ego bastards.
You’ve just nailed it !!! It makes no sense at all unless mick insisted they stayed onboard as he owns the boat but even then surely the captain has the final say ?? It’s so sad for them all but his 18 year old daughter with her whole life ahead of her is the saddest death !!! RIP
That was my first thought. They knew the night on board would not have been calm and peaceful. All the guests could have slept in a hotel. But it's easy to say afterwards...
The Bayesian disaster - in very simple terms for the layperson. This is a one in a million tragedy but we should examine the facts and learn from them. Bayesian boasts the second highest mast in the world at 75 metres on a length of 56m. She has a lifting keel to enable her to get into shallow areas. Fully down it gives a draft of 9.83m and raised a draft of 4m. A sailing yacht has a keel to counter the heeling moment generated by the power of her sail plan. I’m sorry to say that size matters to a superyacht owner and naval architects are seduced into providing solutions. As yacht size increases the resistance of the hull reduces in proportion, so less sail area is required to adequately power longer yachts. But these floating fashion items are driven by appearance and bragging rights - and you lose prestige if someone has a bigger mast than you. Always the status pecking order questions are - how big - how fast - what cost - and is it black? If you designed Bayesian with a reasonable sail area and a ‘normal’ mast she would not look impressive - which is what superyachts have to be. The stability of a yacht has to be sufficient to counter the power of the rig but, as mast heights increase, the keels can often become so deep that the places of interest are restricted hence the lifting keel solution. Stability comes from two factors - the hull form and the ballast keel which acts like a pendulum. As the yacht heels the volume of the immersed hull section produce a buoyancy force which resists heeling. Initially the keel gives little force but as the angle of heel increases ‘physics’ makes the keel contribution significant (leverage). The greater the keel length, the greater the effect. The combination of the hull buoyancy on the heeled side and the keel on the ‘windward’ side produces the force necessary to keep the yacht from capsize. If the keel of Bayesian was retracted it would lose a significant six meters of moment arm or leverage from its probable 200 tons of keel bulb. When we design yachts we calculate the stability, or righting lever, as a function of heeled ‘bouyancy’ force and the ballast moment arm combined. (the GZ) This can be plotted on a graph to show the stability at any heel angle and identifies the angle at which stability becomes negative causing the yacht to capsize. Normally an ocean yacht will experience a negative point at about 120/30 degrees of heel. With a lifting keel this point is greatly reduced maybe to less than 90 degrees. Well designed oceanic yachts over 10m with normal ballast keels generally do not capsize due to wind because the, as the yacht heels, the wind spills from the sails and the keel develops an increasing righting moment. It is mainly wave systems which produce capsizes. If Bayesian was at anchor with the keel raised and no sails set the crew would have every confidence that she could remain safe in most normal wind conditions. But its centre of gravity would be higher than if the keel was down. Every captain at this level has passed an exam on stability and would be aware of his vessels stability graph. Many years ago I sat at Cremorne and watched a spiralling williwaw race across Sydney harbour and pass through Mosman. This twister was only about 30 metres wide but it destroyed houses and overturned cars in its path. A few feet away nothing was harmed. The power inside a twister is intense and powerful with the wind is coming from every direction One problem of large rigs is windage, even with no sails. Wind pressure increases to the square. A 20mph wind gives 1lb per sq foot pressure. In a fresh gale at 40mph the wind pressure is 4.1 lb sqft . In a moderate twister of 100mph the wind pressure is 25.6 lbs sqft. Internally twisters are often in the 200mph range causing 100 lbs + sqft pressures. This was the sort of event that hit Bayesian. You cannot plan or design for this sort of event. In their write up about the yacht Peri Navi wrote - “To optimise sailing performance of the powerful Cutter Rig sail plan, Salute (later Bayesian) has modified keel and rudder lines to improve her stability in keeping with the higher centre of gravity the tall mast produces.” But this yacht had three furling sails forward and a big boom with the weight of a furled mainsail inside all above the centre of gravity. Also there were large communication domes on the spreaders. Even without sails the wind pressure coefficients for Bayesian would have been abnormally large when hit by the wind force of varying direction in a twister. Once she was knocked down beyond her stability limit with the keel up she stood no chance and, laying flat to the water, her deck openings, which are more like a hotel than a ship, would have allowed a flood of water aboard and she would founder. This would happen in a couple of minutes. The observation of a lightning strike can be discounted because these vessels are grounded and any damage from a strike would have caused a slow sinking at worst - not a capsize and founder. The individuals within a professional crew with sailing experience may have sensed the wind and motion of the vessel changing and quickly reacted to instinctively save themselves in the seconds they had. My guess is that some were already on deck alarmed by the general conditions.The guests would have found themselves totally disoriented in flooding cabins, in darkness with the walls, doors and passageways at ninety degrees to the norm. They had practically no chance because it would be completely beyond their experience. The crew would have been unable to be of any help due to the speed of the unexpected event. I have been a professional yacht designer and builder for fifty years specialising in lifting keel yachts. My son, a professional navigator, was Third Officer on a ketch superyacht with masts 100m tall; a yacht so big, at 88metres, that it was almost beyond human handling even with the machinery on board. But of course it is the biggest and most expensive’ etc etc. What we have here is a one off accident which is a wake up call to an industry where common sense has departed as yachts get more silly in size and design. In summary Bayesian was caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. A freak accident which the designers and crew would have little chance to predict. If the keel had been down she would have probably survived the knock down. But the crew would have experience of her basic stability which would be adequate for normal conditions. Any enquiry must examine the design factors such as the keel design and the stability vanishing point in the condition she was at the time of the accident; keel up, tank loadings and rig factors for windage (WPC) and centre of gravity etc. And a calculation of the wind force required to heel the boat to 90 degrees in the condition at the time of the accident. All forms of transport have had these unpredictable one off events leading to changes of regulations and professional practice. Titanic, Boeing, 1955 Le Mans, the 1952 Farnborough crash, the 1979 Fastnet - all have made a difference and these events all came unpredicted and out of the blue often at a time of complacency. Chris Freer - yacht designer - August 2024
Or maybe you could just stress test how yachts do in extreme or "unexpected" conditions before selling them, which is actually very possible. Everyone tries to be 20/20 with their hindsight after their extreme myopia of foresight.
I have zero knowledge of yacht design so that erudite comment was a fascinating read. When I first saw a photo of the Bayesian, however, I did think, 'Where's the centre of gravity on that thing?'
Mister Chris Chamberleine lei ha detto una santa parola che riassume tutto il fatto e la tragedia e sarebbe: [Autocompiacimento] si sono fidati del tempo mite forse troppo!
A superyacht does not literally sink in minutes unless there's a serious hull breach. Water could not flow in fast enough through open portholes or unsecured hatches alone to sink a large yacht that quickly. To think that an experienced captain and crew did not 'batten down the hatches' in preparation for the forecast storm defies credulity. This looks extremely suspicious.
This is a little strange to me. Mike Lynch and his business partner had recently won a huge case, now they’re both dead within 48 hours of each other 🤔 That’s one hell of a coincidence!
Can't see the sinking being a result of sabotage,I guess it's just coincidence, now if he had died scuba diving for example I, then maybe yes , but freak weather is beyond the control of anyone
@@randywl8925 wow, you should write that and send to Hollywood, could be a great movie. I was thinking more along the lines that those that lost surely had some divine powers on their side 😂👍🏻
Have lived on a sailboat with my wife for 22 years. have sailed around the world. If a sailboat is at anchor without sail up, and gets hit with a wind blast, this should not cause the boat to get knocked down to the point of taking on that amount of water. I would question the stability test of the yacht after the two modifications that were made. Stability tests should have been done. Is this the builder trying to shift the blame?
I love Italians but they do have a habit of calling people idiots when a client has something go wrong. It’s like an auto defence to block you saying anything about their product. I find them quite crass in this particular situation. All they needed to say was that their prayers went out to those involved. There is time to speak of liability later.
I think they also know about the storm. Most likely the crew was already preparing the ship for the storm. That's why the core ship crew survived. But some howe, it went verry terrible wrong.
@@whiterabbit1632 Yes, it was hit by a waterspout. Ever see one? I have. You don't want one dropping in on you, & they cannot be directed by governments or corporations.
The yacht builder is responding so aggressively and so quickly that one might almost think they were seeking to prejudice the police investigation. The only proper response to such a disaster is "We will await the results of the enquiry."
Perini Navi was saved from bankruptcy just a year ago so these guys are under serious pressure... and as technical experts who worked on Perini Navi yachts know that the huge sliding glass doors on the deck are an issue (when the yacht heels then they slide open under their own weight) so water intrusion this way is much more likely than the open hatch theory. Also there are a lot of technical design flaws in this yacht (e.g. the heavy furling boom way above the center of gravity)... so the yacht builder is just trying to come up with speculative excuse
I’ve sailed small yachts in the Mediterranean. The latest report says the boat went down bow first; not surprising as it was tethered to 250m heavy chain, streaming off with huge wind speeds, so wherever water poured in, once the bow was tilted down, even a few degrees, the water would flood the bow and accelerate the downward trajectory.
@@linoleumbonypart385 73 degrees to be precise and ONLY if the keel was completely down. Up to 88 degrees it would not capsize and should have recovered. Again ONLY if the keel was completely down. Nothing is mentioned about the amount of banking degrees needed to capsize the boat with the keel lifted up. For sure several degrees less than 73.
I wonder what mistakes were made if the reports in the press are correct? Didn't follow the weather report? Didn't make the ship storm-proof? Didn't gather the passengers in a central location? Didn't leave the anchorage to avoid hitting the lee shore? and keep the bow in the wind. Didn't lower the keel? etc. etc. These are all mistakes that I would expect to see on a charter boat after over 40 years of experience on the water. Or was the captain unable to assert himself against the owner???
@williem1710 I think, you see it in a wrong way. Chief on a ship is the Captain and not the owner! The captain is responsible for the ship and the life of the team and passengers. When he says we have to leave this anchorage to ensure security, it has to happen. However, if the owner defends himself against it and does not agree, then this is a serious mistake of the owner and the captain if he fulfills it. The captain also has to ensure that everyone on board gathers in a central place in a distress, and that obviously did not happen. Always assumed that the press publications are correct!The neighboring ship on the anchorage prepared for the storm early enough and taken all the necessary measures and, for example, closed and eliminated all access. Therefore, nothing happened on this ship and the captain was then able to take care of the Baysenian survivors.
yacht CEO has said repeatedly since the sinking that their yachts are *_unsinkable._* "unsinkable" doesn't sound like "... but weather reports in the Med ..."
Mother Nature Slams a Water Spout on top of a yacht, then everybody starts accusing everyone else about mistakes. Who would think about this could happen but it did. My Prayers for the people Lost.
exactly. Water spouts cannot be predicted and arrive within seconds. If they were hit by the initial down draught or the spiralling winds there must have been no chance to do anything apart from end up tipped into the water. I hope all of the crew have adequate support and legal representation.
@@mradventurer8104 Bayesian was NOT a "good ship". She was a poorly proportioned monstrosity with an oversized mast that ultimately sank her, originally designed for a different & more sensible rig.
..and so strange 15 managed to get into a lifeboat during this storm..including the captain ...and yet the 'important people all died'. Did they go back into the yacht to get something ...like a dog or cat ? Another expert said the heavy glass doors into the lounge open (by their own weight) when these yachts tilt too far....which would have let the water rush in ? OR another scenario....did they launch the life raft and LEAVE the platform down ...which then took on water ?
I believe this was murder made to look like an accident! Several days before the other person acquitted was killed in a car/BIKE ACCIDENT. TOO MUCH OF A COINCIDENCE FOR ME😮also the captain survived the biggest mistake of his life?
The boat was not as safe as the builder claims : maximum heeling angle with keel down was only 88 degrees, with keel up, 45 degrees ! That’s ridiculous when you consider that most sailboats will accept a 130 degrees heeling angle and still would tighten afterward.
It a sailing yacht with twin engines and has a top speed of 15 knots per hour ? The hull of the yacht was designed to transport cargo in water tight cabins. Not really suitable for cruising around.
I was an engineer on a motor yacht,it was never explained to me that guests lives were more important than mine,if it had been, I would have walked off.. A ship no matter how big is a confined space, always check, how do I get out of here, it's more important than the quality of the carpets.
If the guests are not woken up it's hard for them to saved . Guest quarters on the first level crew quarters are mainly lower but they all got out ! That's a very odd comment to make clearly you had a bad experience on a vessle but looking after your guests is a primary concern .they are not trained to escape in the way crew are .
@@ppo2424 No, I don't, why would I for goodness sake,my responsibility is to myself and my family. Why should I suffer for the risks they take. I know the risks, not my fault they don't. Same in a big hotel, know your way out, in the dark.Do you think the hotel staff are responsible for your safety.
@@ashleymoore9063 If you had ever been in an emergency life threatening situation do you honestly think you would really put your life at risk for people you don't even know,people that probably wouldn't say hello to you, I would not, yes I would make sure their air conditioning worked, their toilets worked, etc. but they are responsible for themselves in my book.
Again and again, I ask myself why the crew didn't prep the the boat for the glaringly apparent wind and weather conditions which were violent. Why did only the crew (except chef) survive? Because they panicked and literally fled the sinking ship to save their own skins. Such a tragedy, completely avoidable.
I have watched this video from the shore camera 20 times and still don’t see the yacht sinking or heeling over. The masthead light is on throughout. Am I really missing this or do people see what i can’t see. The mast breaking or demasting would have nothing to do with the sinking. She could have been knocked down to 90 degrees but still can’t explain how she could sink like this. It is a black swan event in my opinion. Just the wrong place at the wrong time. Total bad luck.
Yes I dont see that boat goes down. The video seems cut in the important part when boat’s lights are covered by storm but with that video is not an evidenze that bayesian is really going to sink
Is it possible that lightening struck the mast and the huge current travelled down the mast and ( if mast was keel stepped) blew off the fancy retractable keel? If so, this would immediately cause the yacht to be blown on to it's side and take on water. Modern fibreglass hulls are very poor conductors. Hopefully the enquiry and investigation will be able to find the answers.
If hatches were open, at 90 degrees the boat would be filling with water. Once filling with water it would be pulled down more and the flooding would accelerate.
Agreed the captain did NOTHING TO PREPARE as he said himself he didn’t no the bad weather was coming ( even though he had sophisticated weather equipment) very necessary loss of lives due to captain negligence.
I am guessing that with open hatches water entered the boat and ultimately filled the bilges to a dangerous level. If the boat was suddenly hit by wind or wave forcing a heel that was beyond normal range then the water in the bilge, acting as movable ballast, could very well have magnified the heeling force to a point where the boat laid over far enough to take on more water and eventually sink. I say this having had two experiences that point me to this. One was on a sail from Ft. Lauderdale to the USVI's many years ago where the forward ventilation cowl had not been turned around when we went to sea. Fortunately the weather had not been to bad, but three days after we left Ft. Lauderdale the boat felt very sluggish. We pulled up our floorboards to find our bilges were full and our engine was under water (that was another story). Had this gone on much longer we would have been in a very dangerous situation. The second experience was on TransPac and we were 1000 miles northeast of Hawaii and took a nasty knockdown in the most violent squall I have ever encountered in many years of blue water sailing.The boat was on its side but was 'buttoned up' and we actually put the companionway hatches in the slots while we got ship shape and back underway, which all happened very quickly, because we had a very seasoned crew. But it does make me think that the margin for error is small in these situations and that's probably what happened on this super yacht.
I've been in a white squall knockdown before and I'm thinking with that large mast and keel retracted and if hatches weren't battened down, it would have difficulty righting.
Have been thru typhoon Omar at a hurricane hole in Guam with about 50 other boats. We had an eye passage. The airport reported sustained winds of 150 mph. All 50 boats were on 4 moorings each, sharing them with the boat next to you. None broke loose because of strict enforcement by the harbor master. The blasts of wind was something I would not like to go thru again as I could actually feel my 3/4-inch nylon line stretching and vibrating. The reason I bring this up is that it was amazing the difference in healing angle between the different sailboats. Now if I was in a harbor at anchor with an offshore wind and relatively calm seas and a squall was coming or a front passing thru, I would tidy up the deck make sure the hatches were closed and enjoy the ride. I question the severity of the wind. from what little information I have. The video I saw was just the normal tacking of a boat at anchor. The rain seems to be falling vertically as opposed to horizontally in strong winds. Would love to hear the sound of the wind as 100 mph winds is something you will never forget. To sum up, I think the captain and crew are getting a bad rap and probably the mast was just too tall.
The headline here said ( like mice in a trap ) there was a very similar incident way back in 1899 in Tacoma Washington when the 335 foot steel hulled sailing Bark Andelana capsized and sank. She was only a few years old and had literally sailed the globe. The headline in the local newspaper in tacoma said trapped like rats in a cage. I have left the story of the Andelana on several videos. I would bet anything that someone looked it up and saw that headline and decided to use it. The entire crew of 14 on the Andelana drowned. I thought that the headline in the 1899 tacoma paper was crude and insensitive. But hey it was 125 years ago.
We are talking about a tornado here or aka waterspout. They are powerful and deadly so why is everyone flipping out on why the boat whent down instead of understanding that it was hit by a waterspout and you could have everything in perfect order all you want but it won't change a thing. I live in TN and a tornado hit my town and there is nothing anyone can do. Especially at night. So what am i missing?
In Italy they will treat this as a murder investigation, someone is going to end up being charged with it too. They will behave like a bunch of thugs with the survivors until they pick someone to blame unfortunately.
@@PJ-vw4zu I don't think it was dramatica as much as confusion. There was a waterspout reported in the area but they feel it was a microburst which is really bad too. Italy has been known to be overzealous when it comes to holding rich people responsible for loss of life. You have the maker of the boat coming out and tainting the water by blaming it on the mast and dead people because they cant speak and i feel its because he is worried about being charged too. Microbursts have taken down planes even so its not like it was just a tiny gust of wind.
It is captain of the ship and crew they employed. One job he had, but nooo, probably joined the party, got drunk and so. When you at work you are at work and responsible for your duties, how hard that can be. At least to check fking weather. You employed to do your job not drink and party.
The Captain and crew survived for the most part so I don't see the need for speculation. There are many eye witnesses and the hull is intact. The true story will emerge. No need for all the uninformed BS.
I wondered about the Capt & crew. No word about them. People that died were the responsibility of Capt & crew. Wonder what the story will be from you them?
The only way to avoid this tragedy was to anchor 100 meters to the right. Can’t blame a crew or a manufacture when Mother Nature is the culprit. It’s remarkable that most of the people actually survived.
how do you know that the captain was not negligent. not following procedures during a storm tantamount to criminal consequences. the was probably drunk when he went to bed and didn't think to follow alert procedures.
I hope that the people investigating this incident are more capable and honest and quicker than the people assigned to "investigate" the NordStream pipeline sabotage.
I’m no expert so won’t comment on who’s to blame until the yacht is recovered and await the results of the investigation. The builder shouldn’t be pointing fingers at anyone yet. That’s deplorable. Hope lessons can be learned to make these things safer.
One simplification from what he said is that with the keel retracted, and with the weight of the large sails rolled up and tied to the deck, the boat could actually tip over from a strong enough wave and float on its side or even bottom up. And that is not even counting flooding though the open hatches!
I can’t believe everyone on board did not know a storm was coming, and to not hoist anchor and make for the nearest port. Which from what we’ve seen in the video, would have literally been only a few minutes away. Who’s to blame remains to be seen. But it was clearly something that was completely avoidable.
"The mast may have snapped, shifting the center of gravity." "Somehow it was deluged with waves or something; I just don't know." Why are you commenting if you don't know the barest details? The vessel lies on the bottom, on her side, intact. Had the mast snapped, "Bayesian" would likely have remained upright & afloat. It was the mast that allowed the waterspout to knock her down, & that mast is unique on this design; the other hulls of this design were all rigged as ketches with 2 shorter masts instead of one ridiculously tall one. This whole design concept was wrong for so large a vessel.
I’m no expert but I’ll speculate anyway that if you are anchored and a storm hits, you are more vulnerable than if the boat were not anchored and can give way to the water. Add to that the “biggest mast” on this yacht (which sounds a lot like men bragging about how big their hammer is) and what other possible outcome could you expect. Soon as the mast caught the surface, it would have acted almost like a second anchor or at the least something to grab onto when the vessel already breached the surface. Loss of life is tragic regardless and for that, families of the deceased deserve compassion. If anyone should be sued though, it should be Lynch’s wife as she is the “owner” but it was a freak accident and I don’t believe the crew is at fault, unless weather warnings were ignored, little could be done to change the dangers of drowning in a tiny vessel on a huge body of water and people in each little compartment. The ironies are more compelling. Recently acquitted defendant celebrating on a brand new yacht “owned” by his wife, his lawyer, a banker and their wives and mere days prior the co accused also dies in a tragic, yet more common accident. ……as for Lynch……seems more karmic than anything. Woman don’t own yachts unless their husbands need to hide money and legitimize questionable finances and who parties with their banker and lawyer? My only guess is someone who was potentially facing wrath and by some miracle and mind boggling amount of money, avoided a jail sentence. A yacht with a smaller mast, may not of sunk so quick and though the water spout is a threat to anything caught up in it, vanity, curb appeal and arrogance was more vital to lynch than emergency preparedness. I bet no one among the guests were taught how to gtfo if the yacht took on water. We can assume alcohol flowed freely the eve prior to their demise, further compromising their ability to respond quicker, but again, little guarantees when Walter and weather work together
Same for the submersible Titan. The CEO insisted it wasn’t sinkable if ballasts dropped yet used cheap material and fired his engineer that warmed him of the poor design.
That "expert" is an ignoramus. A snapped would actually have made the ship more stable. The crew simply failed to extend the retractable keel in the face of inclement weather.
He was speaking in the context that it might have somehow done some critical damage to the structure when it snapped, or failed and done damage at the Hull level. But I doubt that, but still possible.
Tbh mate, the CEO is the owner of one of the most successful ship building companies in the world for private yachts. To me it was human error or something odd going on! The owner of the ship was done for fraud, then sold tge furm to hp 11 months ago! Seems odd!
Was there a vessel safety electronic automation system that monitored and controlled the vessel balance, gave warnings, prepared the boat for emergencies, etc? What a jerk of a sheep design! :)
One minute the crew was securing deck furniture and the next minute they were in the water ,no chance for anything ,the guests that survive were sleeping on deck because of the heat ! This was a horrible tragedy nobody to blame !
So the 'so called' Captain and his crew all managed to escape unhurt, but the folk they were meant to take care of mostly died. Ok! I think there is some seriously wrong there!
Lynch's wife was able to save herself but neither her husband or daughter, probably weren't sleeping together? contrary to the two other couples who lost their lives. She was the owner of the ship, so perhaps more into sailing and aware of the weather etc... that probably saved her
No, that's exactly why the company will pay to have it brought to the surface. The latest is that the tender hatch was not secured. That is mega serious negligence and it alone is enough to be responsible for the sinking. There's a possibility that other safety messures were also not carried out. If this proves correct it's really dreadful. The boat manufacturers will be desperate to examine it and are no doubt praying it was negligence rather than a design fault. I don't blame them.
@@carofreeman7598 if the main entrance sliding door opened just because the boat healed over ...ta...a good safe system takes human error into account, would anybody buy that kind of boat again? No certainly not.
Snapping Mast as a reason for the horrific outcome makes no sense since the keel is there for balancing the moment on the mast which you experience while sailing, a shorter mast has a positive impact on the boats stability, a snapping mast would the lower the pressure of water or wind on the sailplane/ side profile... probably they left the hatches open in combination with a pulled up keel..so the boat heeled sideways and water came in
So much conjecture and speculation. It is a UK registered ship so the MAIB will do a thorough and totally transparent investigation, and only then when their final casualty report is published in due course, will we know what actually happened. It is not in the MAIB's remit to apportion blame nor prosecute, and they are in fact legally prohibited from promulgating prosecution, (the MCA will be more than happy to do that as and when it may become appropriate). In the meantime, until the MAIB have published their full casualty report, people with little knowledge should stop speculating. I say this as a highly experienced and qualified large yacht Captain with a lifetime's experience at sea. Let the expert investigators do their job first before everyone starts pointing the finger of blame.
How does the CEO know anything before the investigation? If he has been spreading the bs pr that his boats are "unsinkable" he should be held accountable. "Unsinkable" isn't a thing.
If the mast shrouds chainplates were compromised or ripped out and or because the mast alone failed, almost as a whole, the weight with sails and inertia could possibly pull the yacht over - If of course any side doors or stern transom or even a main saloon companionway door were open you have a catastrophic sequence and a minute to get out. The fact that the liferaft was launched or operated automatically was a lifesaver. That the survivors found their way out and to it in the dark and the storm is a miracle. The inquiry deserves due process.
The Italians will turn this accident into a 3 to 4 year nightmare for someone, anyone really. They will charge the Capitan, the crew and the boats designer. Someone will get jailed for an accident. The Italian legal system is as flawed as it gets when it comes to accidental or unexpected deaths, both Colin Chapman and Frank Williams were pursued for years after the deaths of Ronnie Peterson and Aryton Senna for exactly the same reasons.
There are 3 things to consider about the sea, the marine environment. 1, The sea can be cruel, unpredictable and merciless! 2. The sea can be cruel, unpredictable and merciless! 3. The sea can be cruel, unpredictable and merciless! Anyone who understands the marine environment knows this. One flaw, one mistake and things turn bad very, very quickly so you must, must always treat the sea with respect, ensure things are safely done, by the book. As someone who loved wreck diving, sometimes at depths like this yacht ended up in, the risks are huge, the margins for error tiny! To imagine guests for whom innocence, celebrating a good time to be surprised and disorientated by the yacht turning over without warning, sinking quickly, water rushing in, lights failing, debris raining down to clog and obstruct, simply a terrifying, hopeless fate! For an experienced wreck diver it would be very challenging but a good diver with no gear has the skills and discipline to work their way out and to most probably survive, for an untrained, inexperienced novice not a hope unless there was luck. I guess as an experienced diver, I am always looking at how I get out from below deck or somewhere else, if something goes wrong, the discipline that the yacht's trained crew must have had too. I can imagine what they risked to help the guests that they could. Essentially they did incredibly well. Very sad, an incredibly likely rare incident but someone stuffed up!
Designer and yacht maker should go on trial for selling an vessel that is not seaworthy. They claimed it was unsinkable. It sank. Now pay up for that lie.
I'd say that the keel was raised and as such, the boat couldn't right itself once the mast hit the water. A freak accident, but one that the crew could have prepared a little better for, even if the owner was someone who ultimately demanded comfort and leisure, over the captains' best advice. The yacht maker coming out this strong, reeks of trying to influence Italian authorities, involved in an Italian built yacht, sinking. God forbid, that the enormous mast(& weight) was maybe too high to allow the vessel to right itself, thus opening them up for a lawsuit.
That there is an appeal pending in a multi-billion dollar lawsuit directly connected to one of the victims is of course entirely irrelevant and it's just coincidence that his co-defendant was killed in an entirely accidental car crash on the same day.
It's super sad how this turned out. It seems like common sense to pay attention to weather alerts, especially on a yacht. Just goes to show, never underestimate the power of the sea! 💔🌊
Agreed the captain did NOTHING TO PREPARE for the storm as he said himself he didn’t the bad weather was coming ( even though he had sophisticated weather equipment) The sister ship survived Hurricane Katrina, so the boat was very capable of withstanding the storm . Sadly this was a very unnecessary loss of lives due to captain negligence. It’s clear there were many human errors at play here and as the crew knew the boat well they all got out in time. I hope the captain is charged criminally for the loss of 7 lives.
Read the story of the yacht mentioned S/Y Legacy is not a sistership. Nothing to do with what happened to this one. www.sail.ie/legacy/legacy_beached.htm
Would like to know if any who died were crew members. I was aboard the Fantome in 1998 when Hurricane Mitch came roaring around Venezuela, us passengers were evacuated off the coast of Belize City. We had spent the previous week enjoying paradise in the Bay Islands of Honduras. Two days after our evacuation the crew and ship were lost in the hurricane, a category 5. They still rest in a watery grave, never found. I still cry and can’t bear to look at my photos from that fateful journey.
Before a forecast storm I close all hatches and external doors except those with large overhangs which keep the door areas dry and can be easy and qucikly closed if gusts happen. My large glass stern sliding doors do get closed every night for security and when hurricanes are forecast (just gone through Hurricane Beryl when everything was locked up tight). Personally I would not have raised the keel as it was a deep water anchorage and possibly not necessary. But this captain is in the front of the blame-game line full of people wise after the event. So good luck captain and get lawyered up ASAP so you don't get over-run by rats
What makes me tremble is the nationalism with which you insist on defending your fellow countrymen, while we Italians never had any issues condemning an irresponsible captain like Schettino of the Concordia. Here, we have a crew that saved themselves (we're not putting the tornado on trial) and left all the guests to sleep in their cabins. This is an objective fact: the guests were in the hull of the boat, a place where they should never have been during bad weather. Another detail that affects the crew's responsibility: even if they couldn't predict the sudden storm, the weather reports were clear and warned of the danger. Despite having hours to lower the keel, warn the guests, and prevent them from accessing the less safe areas of the boat, they did none of this. If the crew hadn't been English, you wouldn't have hesitated to highlight their incompetence. When we sent Schettino to prison for his criminal behavior, no one complained; on the contrary, the mockery was all about the cowardice of the Italian captain. Now that we're faced with an entire crew of reckless slackers, the problem is the judiciary that supposedly wants to put a tornado on trial.
Richard Bucknall how did you become a professor in the department of mechanical engineering? If you haven’t figured out that a mast breaking means that a yacht is less top heavy and therefore less likely to roll then you don’t deserve to be a professor of mechanical engineering.
In an interview after this tragedy, a security guard who was appointed to watch Mike Lynch while he was under house arrest said that Lynch treated his guards like members of his family, insisting that they sat at the family table and ate together. If he took the same relaxed and overly friendly attitude towards the crew of his yacht, that might explain why basic safety precautions seem to have been overlooked. A boat’s crew need to be alert and professional at all times, not given the impression that they’re on a holiday.
Mr Lynch and his associates and his daughter drown? , AND within a couple of days his colleague who had also been on trial with him in America, (and they were found not guilty) , dies when he was out running near his home, by a woman driving a car. He died in hospital later. What a HORRIBLE coincidence? for these deaths to occur at the same time. These poor men had been extradited to America by Priti Patel, now they had a chance to rebuild their lives again. RIP to all who died. Hard to believe that an experienced Captain would make any mistakes so serious as to endanger lives on a state of the art yacht like that.
It was a downburst not a tornado. The boat tipped over onto it's side then the water came in probably from the back area while people are trying to crawl out over top of the debris. It took 12 minutes to sink so that is due to progressive flooding. If the mast was able to raise up again then even very full of water the boat would probably survive but sideways will kill you every time.
The first rule of seamanship is keep the water out. This boat was very poorly designed in that respect. The stern hatch and the side hatch and retractable keel made the vessel vulnerable to Mistakes by the crew I'm sure the legal process will drag on and this vessel will probably be deemed unseaworthy and the yacht designers will be sued. Blaming the crew before the investigation is complete it's not going to help the designer
Bayesian won awards for best design and interior for Super Yacht. It is also a tragedy for the vessel to sank with some passengers still trapped in their cabins 😢
Giovanni Costantino, the CEO of The Italian Sea Group, comes out immediately to blame crew to deflect any possibility it was a design flaw made by his company.
I know as much about yacht design as I do about quantum physics.......but it seems shocking to me that anyone can lay blame at the crews "catastrophic mistakes" before the accident has even been investigated. Surely the only sensible thing to say, even if you owned the company that built it, is that it's a tragedy, and we must not speculate or aportion blame UNTIL we know all the facts.
The captain said he did not know bad weather was coming. Reports are that the keel was retracted when they found the boat. I think that says that the boat was not prepared for a storm, there was a degree of overconfidence, and the crew was negligent.
So basically this is a 30 second video that repeats itself over and over again in slightly different ways and slows down the text to stretch it out to 6:30. Even in the 'Chapter' markers above shows the same scene 4 times.
The yacht maker doesn't want to lose business he will blame everyone. Tornados form and come in seconds, in the middle of the ocean at night they didn't have much of a chance. I am glad for all survivors.
He's not blaming anyone because he fears losing business. He is going to be firmly in the cross hairs of an Italian "murder" investigation and he's getting his deflection in first because he knows what's coming. The British crew are in for a very unpleasant surprise too. In Italy someone is to "blame" every time there is an unexpected death. They will end up crucifying somebody , anyone really, who gets the blame finally hardly matters to the system.
It's a water spout. It's a column of water. All it takes is an open hatch or companion way and the water spout to travel over it, where it will dump hundreds of tons of water into the vessel immediately.
HINT: Severe weather approaching means all passengers shd have been taken to onshore hotels HOURS before it struck. BUT rich people DONT like being told what to do, the captain/crew may have TOLD them what was coming, and the rich folks just ignored/brushed them off, had plenty of alcohol as usual, then dozed off, oblivious....as per other former boat crew people chiming in on this incident, I read on other pages, very likely, indeed....
All these speculations. The FACT (sorry for caps) is that this could all have been solved from day 1. The divers should have filmed the retrieval of bodies (can always be blurred out) the divers should also have filmed the boat itself, including hatches as well as the keel, and an ROV should have been sent down for the very same reason and purpose. Yet here 'we' are, several days later, speculating. I'm sorry but something is off here, I can't explain it but something is off. Yes, you can call me what you like in the comment section all good. Unfortunately, she could now have been tampered with and we'll never know.
maybe they have filmed the ship underneath, but images may not be available to the public. there isn't much light 50m under water anyway. It must be very gloomy sad and depressing.
Took on water - hatches open on a storm on a boat with A/C
Anchored at 50 meters ?
Open hatches in a storm .
Keel raised in a storm ?
All the crew were out in 60 seconds .
Guests not woken up .
Its not looking great .
exactly. the captain is culpable
Wounder how many joined in on the celebrations and the party 🤔!
all speculation. the anchor part is the only established fact on your list
A chef died, so all the crew was not out.
I am not nautical really , but isn't is quite bad form that only one passenger survived and all crew except the chef survived? 🧐
Me thinks the crew are getting the grilling of their lives right now.
I've worked on these yachts, and there's always a 24-hour watch, especially at night. The crew is responsible for monitoring all potential threats to the vessel, keeping a close eye on the radar to detect if the anchor drags and the boat starts drifting toward rocks and watching for any unauthorized attempts to board. It looks like someone failed to secure the vessel properly when the storm hit.
Thank you. I wondered why there wouldn't be more security, etc. With such wealthy and powerful guests... if I'm that rich I want someone looking out while I sleep..
@nadbarr2538 yes definitely A rich people's problem
I was caught in a waterspout that came straight at us and it was clear so you couldn't tell what it was and it came at us at about 40 mph or faster and by the time we started to get out of there it hit us that fast there was no other weather no lightning just this powerful fast moving waterspout probably f1 or stronger it uprooted 2 foot trees when it hit land no way this was negligence. All my best to these families
No way this was negligence? No investigation needed ? Man you may be partly right but Clearly the boat sank too fast due to 1) left hatches open or 2) hole drilled in boat by enemy (e.g.note his co defendant /colleague died in same week).
An accident of nature, no human is to blame for this tragedy, and a miracle occurred when the 1 yr old baby who has slipped from mothers grip was found by the mom , alive & brought to safety.
When will we stop using the word "unsinkable"? Man is no match against Mama Nature.
@@ella_max7253 It is the kiss of death. Like celebrities who tattoo their latest significant other’s name on themselves. At that moment, the relationship is over! 🤣
The issue isn't about being unsinkable. The question is why did all the crew and most of the guests wake and escape, while 6 slept thru the storm and died?
Think Titanic.
@@macpduff2119issue is about unsinkable.clearly the boat maker has said that the boat is unsinkable and obviously people believed that. But it sank and that is the issue before pointing the finger at the crew 😵💫
unsinkable doesn't mean idiot proof 🙂
Its very simple to im a captain 22 years , you have weather warnings ,you tell them it’s not safe to be onboard atleast woman and kids children, go ashore the severe weather goes it will be safe , and obviously secure the vessel for the worst with or without them on board IT IS SAFETY FIRST NO MORE . Why would you want to be on severe weather on a yacht near the coastline when you easily can be safe on land
Yes our captain, a charter vessel 110 foot Horizon FD110 in Bahamas cancelled 2 days worth of trips to be safely anchored in harbor. The charter guests (Americans) tried to sue our charter company as they paid for 10 days and got 8 days worth of cruising. They are now blacklisted from all charter requests in Caribbean. Drunk, high on coke, rich ego bastards.
You’ve just nailed it !!! It makes no sense at all unless mick insisted they stayed onboard as he owns the boat but even then surely the captain has the final say ?? It’s so sad for them all but his 18 year old daughter with her whole life ahead of her is the saddest death !!! RIP
Good point.
That was my first thought. They knew the night on board would not have been calm and peaceful. All the guests could have slept in a hotel.
But it's easy to say afterwards...
@@pauld3327 there is a storm and then there is a waterspout.
The Bayesian disaster - in very simple terms for the layperson.
This is a one in a million tragedy but we should examine the facts and learn from them.
Bayesian boasts the second highest mast in the world at 75 metres on a length of 56m. She has a lifting keel to enable her to get into shallow areas. Fully down it gives a draft of 9.83m and raised a draft of 4m. A sailing yacht has a keel to counter the heeling moment generated by the power of her sail plan.
I’m sorry to say that size matters to a superyacht owner and naval architects are seduced into providing solutions. As yacht size increases the resistance of the hull reduces in proportion, so less sail area is required to adequately power longer yachts. But these floating fashion items are driven by appearance and bragging rights - and you lose prestige if someone has a bigger mast than you. Always the status pecking order questions are - how big - how fast - what cost - and is it black? If you designed Bayesian with a reasonable sail area and a ‘normal’ mast she would not look impressive - which is what superyachts have to be.
The stability of a yacht has to be sufficient to counter the power of the rig but, as mast heights increase, the keels can often become so deep that the places of interest are restricted hence the lifting keel solution. Stability comes from two factors - the hull form and the ballast keel which acts like a pendulum. As the yacht heels the volume of the immersed hull section produce a buoyancy force which resists heeling. Initially the keel gives little force but as the angle of heel increases ‘physics’ makes the keel contribution significant (leverage). The greater the keel length, the greater the effect. The combination of the hull buoyancy on the heeled side and the keel on the ‘windward’ side produces the force necessary to keep the yacht from capsize. If the keel of Bayesian was retracted it would lose a significant six meters of moment arm or leverage from its probable 200 tons of keel bulb.
When we design yachts we calculate the stability, or righting lever, as a function of heeled ‘bouyancy’ force and the ballast moment arm combined. (the GZ) This can be plotted on a graph to show the stability at any heel angle and identifies the angle at which stability becomes negative causing the yacht to capsize. Normally an ocean yacht will experience a negative point at about 120/30 degrees of heel. With a lifting keel this point is greatly reduced maybe to less than 90 degrees.
Well designed oceanic yachts over 10m with normal ballast keels generally do not capsize due to wind because the, as the yacht heels, the wind spills from the sails and the keel develops an increasing righting moment. It is mainly wave systems which produce capsizes.
If Bayesian was at anchor with the keel raised and no sails set the crew would have every confidence that she could remain safe in most normal wind conditions. But its centre of gravity would be higher than if the keel was down. Every captain at this level has passed an exam on stability and would be aware of his vessels stability graph.
Many years ago I sat at Cremorne and watched a spiralling williwaw race across Sydney harbour and pass through Mosman. This twister was only about 30 metres wide but it destroyed houses and overturned cars in its path. A few feet away nothing was harmed. The power inside a twister is intense and powerful with the wind is coming from every direction
One problem of large rigs is windage, even with no sails. Wind pressure increases to the square. A 20mph wind gives 1lb per sq foot pressure. In a fresh gale at 40mph the wind pressure is 4.1 lb sqft . In a moderate twister of 100mph the wind pressure is 25.6 lbs sqft. Internally twisters are often in the 200mph range causing 100 lbs + sqft pressures. This was the sort of event that hit Bayesian. You cannot plan or design for this sort of event.
In their write up about the yacht Peri Navi wrote - “To optimise sailing performance of the powerful Cutter Rig sail plan, Salute (later Bayesian) has modified keel and rudder lines to improve her stability in keeping with the higher centre of gravity the tall mast produces.”
But this yacht had three furling sails forward and a big boom with the weight of a furled mainsail inside all above the centre of gravity. Also there were large communication domes on the spreaders. Even without sails the wind pressure coefficients for Bayesian would have been abnormally large when hit by the wind force of varying direction in a twister. Once she was knocked down beyond her stability limit with the keel up she stood no chance and, laying flat to the water, her deck openings, which are more like a hotel than a ship, would have allowed a flood of water aboard and she would founder. This would happen in a couple of minutes. The observation of a lightning strike can be discounted because these vessels are grounded and any damage from a strike would have caused a slow sinking at worst - not a capsize and founder.
The individuals within a professional crew with sailing experience may have sensed the wind and motion of the vessel changing and quickly reacted to instinctively save themselves in the seconds they had. My guess is that some were already on deck alarmed by the general conditions.The guests would have found themselves totally disoriented in flooding cabins, in darkness with the walls, doors and passageways at ninety degrees to the norm. They had practically no chance because it would be completely beyond their experience. The crew would have been unable to be of any help due to the speed of the unexpected event.
I have been a professional yacht designer and builder for fifty years specialising in lifting keel yachts. My son, a professional navigator, was Third Officer on a ketch superyacht with masts 100m tall; a yacht so big, at 88metres, that it was almost beyond human handling even with the machinery on board. But of course it is the biggest and most expensive’ etc etc. What we have here is a one off accident which is a wake up call to an industry where common sense has departed as yachts get more silly in size and design.
In summary Bayesian was caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. A freak accident which the designers and crew would have little chance to predict. If the keel had been down she would have probably survived the knock down. But the crew would have experience of her basic stability which would be adequate for normal conditions.
Any enquiry must examine the design factors such as the keel design and the stability vanishing point in the condition she was at the time of the accident; keel up, tank loadings and rig factors for windage (WPC) and centre of gravity etc. And a calculation of the wind force required to heel the boat to 90 degrees in the condition at the time of the accident.
All forms of transport have had these unpredictable one off events leading to changes of regulations and professional practice. Titanic, Boeing, 1955 Le Mans, the 1952 Farnborough crash, the 1979 Fastnet - all have made a difference and these events all came unpredicted and out of the blue often at a time of complacency. Chris Freer - yacht designer - August 2024
What an utterly superb comment. Brilliant.
Just wow. ❤
Or maybe you could just stress test how yachts do in extreme or "unexpected" conditions before selling them, which is actually very possible. Everyone tries to be 20/20 with their hindsight after their extreme myopia of foresight.
I have zero knowledge of yacht design so that erudite comment was a fascinating read. When I first saw a photo of the Bayesian, however, I did think, 'Where's the centre of gravity on that thing?'
Mister Chris Chamberleine lei ha detto una santa parola che riassume tutto il fatto e la tragedia e sarebbe: [Autocompiacimento] si sono fidati del tempo mite forse troppo!
Thank you for the detailed explanation, as a yacht dummy, I now know a little more.. while reading, I could also visualise it.
The mast did not snap. Its in perfect order. The divers have said so.
The anchor ⚓️ snapped
Mark Twain said a ship is like a prison with a chance of drowning.
A hole in the water into which you throw money.
Did he really 🤔👹
À prison like airplane, , , maybe flighting was not yet possible at Mark Twain times living?
Didn’t stop him from traveling on one.
@@margaritaresta6390Mark Twain said an airplane is like a prison with a chance of falling out of the sky.
A superyacht does not literally sink in minutes unless there's a serious hull breach.
Water could not flow in fast enough through open portholes or unsecured hatches alone to sink a large yacht that quickly.
To think that an experienced captain and crew did not 'batten down the hatches' in preparation for the forecast storm defies credulity.
This looks extremely suspicious.
This is a little strange to me. Mike Lynch and his business partner had recently won a huge case, now they’re both dead within 48 hours of each other 🤔
That’s one hell of a coincidence!
Can't see the sinking being a result of sabotage,I guess it's just coincidence, now if he had died scuba diving for example I, then maybe yes , but freak weather is beyond the control of anyone
His enemies created a supercell, aimed it at his boat to make it look like a freak accident.
.......very clever 👍
@@randywl8925 wow, you should write that and send to Hollywood, could be a great movie. I was thinking more along the lines that those that lost surely had some divine powers on their side 😂👍🏻
@@denysnuttall1706 that’s what I meant, those that lost the case must be some lucky ones. I guess it’s right what they say about Karma 👍🏻😃
I may not be a conspiracy nut but maybe I could be a coincidence theorist. Aweful amount of coincidence occurring in this world.
Have lived on a sailboat with my wife for 22 years. have sailed around the world. If a sailboat is at anchor without sail up, and gets hit with a wind blast, this should not cause the boat to get knocked down to the point of taking on that amount of water. I would question the stability test of the yacht after the two modifications that were made. Stability tests should have been done. Is this the builder trying to shift the blame?
Yes it is
That's exactly what it is....smh
It was a waterspout.
I love Italians but they do have a habit of calling people idiots when a client has something go wrong. It’s like an auto defence to block you saying anything about their product.
I find them quite crass in this particular situation. All they needed to say was that their prayers went out to those involved. There is time to speak of liability later.
@@chrisscott1958
I heard the local fisherman knew of the storm coming in...why didn't the captain and crew??
I think they also know about the storm. Most likely the crew was already preparing the ship for the storm. That's why the core ship crew survived. But some howe, it went verry terrible wrong.
Why didn’t you tell him if you are so informed
it was a hit
They did, the crew were on deck and securing it for the storm.
@@whiterabbit1632 Yes, it was hit by a waterspout. Ever see one? I have. You don't want one dropping in on you, & they cannot be directed by governments or corporations.
When he said mast snap could lead to roll over, His credibility went to zero. Get another reporter.
True. And he is a Professor in the Department of Mechanical Engineering at UCL. What a joke 😂
@@pauld3327 Totally agree. He hasn't got a clue. But how are the general public supposed to work that out?
Agreed.
Clearly he has no understanding of yachts and their stability.
@@pauld3327 your cred is zero as well 🙂
The yacht builder is responding so aggressively and so quickly that one might almost think they were seeking to prejudice the police investigation. The only proper response to such a disaster is "We will await the results of the enquiry."
Yeah right, pendejo. And wait for the lawsuit? They are going to be suited for years.
Perini Navi was saved from bankruptcy just a year ago so these guys are under serious pressure... and as technical experts who worked on Perini Navi yachts know that the huge sliding glass doors on the deck are an issue (when the yacht heels then they slide open under their own weight) so water intrusion this way is much more likely than the open hatch theory.
Also there are a lot of technical design flaws in this yacht (e.g. the heavy furling boom way above the center of gravity)... so the yacht builder is just trying to come up with speculative excuse
Still strange behavior from captain is it not??
@@markuswunsch Still, you need a lot of talent to sink that boat in a storm like that. Now even big waves. There is negligence from the crew.
@@vjrei I totally agree. Water safety is no joke.
Someone wasn’t watching the weather close enough.
high or drunk
The crew were on-deck securing the ship, that's why they survived they knew about the storm and were preparing.
@@darthkek1953 I don’t think so…
@@hessranch What you think is irrelevant, it will come out during the investigation. You see.
@@darthkek1953 If they were doing their job, the yacht would still be floating…..
I’ve sailed small yachts in the Mediterranean. The latest report says the boat went down bow first; not surprising as it was tethered to 250m heavy chain, streaming off with huge wind speeds, so wherever water poured in, once the bow was tilted down, even a few degrees, the water would flood the bow and accelerate the downward trajectory.
Strange is that drone captured at that night more boats in the same place and only this one sank.
Was it dragging the anchor?
The boat was meant to be able to recover from 90 degree tilt
@@linoleumbonypart385 73 degrees to be precise and ONLY if the keel was completely down. Up to 88 degrees it would not capsize and should have recovered. Again ONLY if the keel was completely down. Nothing is mentioned about the amount of banking degrees needed to capsize the boat with the keel lifted up. For sure several degrees less than 73.
@@linx8171 and windows …hatches open
I wonder what mistakes were made if the reports in the press are correct?
Didn't follow the weather report? Didn't make the ship storm-proof?
Didn't gather the passengers in a central location? Didn't leave the anchorage to avoid hitting the lee shore? and keep the bow in the wind.
Didn't lower the keel? etc. etc. These are all mistakes that I would expect to see on a charter boat after over 40 years of experience on the water. Or was the captain unable to assert himself against the owner???
@williem1710 I think, you see it in a wrong way. Chief on a ship is the Captain and not the owner! The captain is responsible for the ship and the life of the team and passengers.
When he says we have to leave this anchorage to ensure security, it has to happen. However, if the owner defends himself against it and does not agree, then this is a serious mistake of the owner and the captain if he fulfills it. The captain also has to ensure that everyone on board gathers in a central place in a distress, and that obviously did not happen. Always assumed that the press publications are correct!The neighboring ship on the anchorage prepared for the storm early enough and taken all the necessary measures and, for example, closed and eliminated all access. Therefore, nothing happened on this ship and the captain was then able to take care of the Baysenian survivors.
@williem1710 That is the question. That is why the Italians are investigating manslaughter!
I doubt the owner would have had any objection to lowering the keel or securing the hatches in the middle of the night, if that was the problem.
The whole thing is weird !! 👎
yacht CEO has said repeatedly since the sinking that their yachts are *_unsinkable._*
"unsinkable" doesn't sound like "... but weather reports in the Med ..."
RIP to all souls lost. Deepest condolences to their families and friends. 🙏
Nope.
There is a lot more to this" Story". These people on board.... Were involved in a trial.... The other person who couldn't go... Died in a car crash...
Hit and run he was out jogging
@@antonyberry1632that makes it even more suspicious?
100%
That is so Interesting 🤔. Both of them are deceased now. Destiny? Uhm.
@@antonyberry1632 no it wasn’t
"Batten down all hatches!" has been a cliche forever, applying to ones house also with latches to prevent windows and doors from blowing open!
The engineers of the Titanic thought that it was unsinkable too.
I bet they will start to require ships with extra tall masts to have their keel deployed at anchor, or something like that .
Nope, the PR person did... No naval engineer thinks any boat is unsinkable.
Same for the submersible Titan. The CEO put cost cuts before safety yet insisted it’s not sinkable.
@@SS-iw2nq Technically, the *_Titan_* didn't sink. _"It's sayonara in two microseconds."_
No they didn't. As an engineer said in the _Titanic_ film when someone said that : _"The ship is made of iron sir!"_
Mother Nature Slams a Water Spout on top of a yacht, then everybody starts accusing everyone else about mistakes. Who would think about this could happen but it did. My Prayers for the people Lost.
Agreed. Yet harsh weather preparations should have been implemented.
Yes but such a storm should not sink such a good ship!! Perhaps hatches were left open or manufacturing mistake from which we can learn.
RIGHT ‼️ ✅️
exactly. Water spouts cannot be predicted and arrive within seconds. If they were hit by the initial down draught or the spiralling winds there must have been no chance to do anything apart from end up tipped into the water. I hope all of the crew have adequate support and legal representation.
@@mradventurer8104 Bayesian was NOT a "good ship". She was a poorly proportioned monstrosity with an oversized mast that ultimately sank her, originally designed for a different & more sensible rig.
The Captain was the First One Off The Ship When He Should've Been The Last 👀
Fact or speculation?
that is an urban myth my friend, the Cpt. should have been alerted to the storm approaching and making plans to get the ship tight for said storm.....
It looks VERY suspicious to say the very least, gross negligence if it was not a setup.
Why would ANYONE remain on an anchored yacht knowing a dangerous storm was approaching when there was undeniable safety available on nearby land?
Right you are
@@HilarySing-z5c Water spouts come up unexpectedly. They can be highly concentrated powerful tornados that are very destructive.
@@GH-cp9wc Yes, the one 150m away did and was fine.
Hubris
..and so strange 15 managed to get into a lifeboat during this storm..including the captain ...and yet the 'important people all died'. Did they go back into the yacht to get something ...like a dog or cat ?
Another expert said the heavy glass doors into the lounge open (by their own weight) when these yachts tilt too far....which would have let the water rush in ?
OR another scenario....did they launch the life raft and LEAVE the platform down ...which then took on water ?
I believe this was murder made to look like an accident! Several days before the other person acquitted was killed in a car/BIKE ACCIDENT. TOO MUCH OF A COINCIDENCE FOR ME😮also the captain survived the biggest mistake of his life?
Correction:
The other murder was one of their lawyers.
Same day, different country.
The boat was not as safe as the builder claims : maximum heeling angle with keel down was only 88 degrees, with keel up, 45 degrees ! That’s ridiculous when you consider that most sailboats will accept a 130 degrees heeling angle and still would tighten afterward.
It a sailing yacht with twin engines and has a top speed of 15 knots per hour ? The hull of the yacht was designed to transport cargo in water tight cabins. Not really suitable for cruising around.
I was an engineer on a motor yacht,it was never explained to me that guests lives were more important than mine,if it had been, I would have walked off.. A ship no matter how big is a confined space, always check, how do I get out of here, it's more important than the quality of the carpets.
@@khutt19 You don't think you have a responsibility for the passengers?
You're spot on with that comment, it's the captains responsibility.
If the guests are not woken up it's hard for them to saved .
Guest quarters on the first level crew quarters are mainly lower but they all got out !
That's a very odd comment to make clearly you had a bad experience on a vessle but looking after your guests is a primary concern .they are not trained to escape in the way crew are .
@@ppo2424 No, I don't, why would I for goodness sake,my responsibility is to myself and my family. Why should I suffer for the risks they take. I know the risks, not my fault they don't. Same in a big hotel, know your way out, in the dark.Do you think the hotel staff are responsible for your safety.
@@ashleymoore9063 If you had ever been in an emergency life threatening situation do you honestly think you would really put your life at risk for people you don't even know,people that probably wouldn't say hello to you, I would not, yes I would make sure their air conditioning worked, their toilets worked, etc. but they are responsible for themselves in my book.
Again and again, I ask myself why the crew didn't prep the the boat for the glaringly apparent wind and weather conditions which were violent. Why did only the crew (except chef) survive? Because they panicked and literally fled the sinking ship to save their own skins. Such a tragedy, completely avoidable.
I have watched this video from the shore camera 20 times and still don’t see the yacht sinking or heeling over. The masthead light is on throughout. Am I really missing this or do people see what i can’t see.
The mast breaking or demasting would have nothing to do with the sinking. She could have been knocked down to 90 degrees but still can’t explain how she could sink like this. It is a black swan event in my opinion. Just the wrong place at the wrong time. Total bad luck.
it looks like the lights go out and then nothing. I agree with you, we can't see much.
Yes I dont see that boat goes down. The video seems cut in the important part when boat’s lights are covered by storm but with that video is not an evidenze that bayesian is really going to sink
Is it possible that lightening struck the mast and the huge current travelled down the mast and ( if mast was keel stepped) blew off the fancy retractable keel? If so, this would immediately cause the yacht to be blown on to it's side and take on water. Modern fibreglass hulls are very poor conductors. Hopefully the enquiry and investigation will be able to find the answers.
@@robertwilliams8974 the hull was in aluminum and not fiberglass; moreover, such ships are now equipped to sustain storms.
If hatches were open, at 90 degrees the boat would be filling with water. Once filling with water it would be pulled down more and the flooding would accelerate.
Agreed the captain did NOTHING TO PREPARE as he said himself he didn’t no the bad weather was coming ( even though he had sophisticated weather equipment) very necessary loss of lives due to captain negligence.
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I am guessing that with open hatches water entered the boat and ultimately filled the bilges to a dangerous level. If the boat was suddenly hit by wind or wave forcing a heel that was beyond normal range then the water in the bilge, acting as movable ballast, could very well have magnified the heeling force to a point where the boat laid over far enough to take on more water and eventually sink. I say this having had two experiences that point me to this. One was on a sail from Ft. Lauderdale to the USVI's many years ago where the forward ventilation cowl had not been turned around when we went to sea. Fortunately the weather had not been to bad, but three days after we left Ft. Lauderdale the boat felt very sluggish. We pulled up our floorboards to find our bilges were full and our engine was under water (that was another story). Had this gone on much longer we would have been in a very dangerous situation. The second experience was on TransPac and we were 1000 miles northeast of Hawaii and took a nasty knockdown in the most violent squall I have ever encountered in many years of blue water sailing.The boat was on its side but was 'buttoned up' and we actually put the companionway hatches in the slots while we got ship shape and back underway, which all happened very quickly, because we had a very seasoned crew. But it does make me think that the margin for error is small in these situations and that's probably what happened on this super yacht.
I've been in a white squall knockdown before and I'm thinking with that large mast and keel retracted and if hatches weren't battened down, it would have difficulty righting.
Have been thru typhoon Omar at a hurricane hole in Guam with about 50 other boats. We had an eye passage. The airport reported sustained winds of 150 mph. All 50 boats were on 4 moorings each, sharing them with the boat next to you. None broke loose because of strict enforcement by the harbor master. The blasts of wind was something I would not like to go thru again as I could actually feel my 3/4-inch nylon line stretching and vibrating. The reason I bring this up is that it was amazing the difference in healing angle between the different sailboats. Now if I was in a harbor at anchor with an offshore wind and relatively calm seas and a squall was coming or a front passing thru, I would tidy up the deck make sure the hatches were closed and enjoy the ride. I question the severity of the wind. from what little information I have. The video I saw was just the normal tacking of a boat at anchor. The rain seems to be falling vertically as opposed to horizontally in strong winds. Would love to hear the sound of the wind as 100 mph winds is something you will never forget. To sum up, I think the captain and crew are getting a bad rap and probably the mast was just too tall.
The headline here said ( like mice in a trap ) there was a very similar incident way back in 1899 in Tacoma Washington when the 335 foot steel hulled sailing Bark Andelana capsized and sank. She was only a few years old and had literally sailed the globe. The headline in the local newspaper in tacoma said trapped like rats in a cage. I have left the story of the Andelana on several videos. I would bet anything that someone looked it up and saw that headline and decided to use it. The entire crew of 14 on the Andelana drowned. I thought that the headline in the 1899 tacoma paper was crude and insensitive. But hey it was 125 years ago.
We are talking about a tornado here or aka waterspout. They are powerful and deadly so why is everyone flipping out on why the boat whent down instead of understanding that it was hit by a waterspout and you could have everything in perfect order all you want but it won't change a thing. I live in TN and a tornado hit my town and there is nothing anyone can do. Especially at night. So what am i missing?
In Italy they will treat this as a murder investigation, someone is going to end up being charged with it too. They will behave like a bunch of thugs with the survivors until they pick someone to blame unfortunately.
It's been verified there was a storm and NO waterspout. That was from a news station attempting to be dramatic.
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@@PJ-vw4zu I don't think it was dramatica as much as confusion. There was a waterspout reported in the area but they feel it was a microburst which is really bad too. Italy has been known to be overzealous when it comes to holding rich people responsible for loss of life. You have the maker of the boat coming out and tainting the water by blaming it on the mast and dead people because they cant speak and i feel its because he is worried about being charged too. Microbursts have taken down planes even so its not like it was just a tiny gust of wind.
Even the fisherman aware bad weather is coming and not going to the sea... But the 'rich' think differently.
It is captain of the ship and crew they employed.
One job he had, but nooo, probably joined the party, got drunk and so.
When you at work you are at work and responsible for your duties, how hard that can be.
At least to check fking weather. You employed to do your job not drink and party.
They function above the laws, of nature, and man.
Right! Just like the CEO of the submersible Titan. He put cost cuts before safety and insisted it was unsinkable with its ballasts dropped.
@@lanakovalchuk8049 This is most likely the reason. Too many clowns partying instead of paying attention.
@@lanakovalchuk8049 If he was drunk he would have died.
The Captain and crew survived for the most part so I don't see the need for speculation. There are many eye witnesses and the hull is intact. The true story will emerge. No need for all the uninformed BS.
I wondered about the Capt & crew. No word about them. People that died were the responsibility of Capt & crew. Wonder what the story will be from you them?
@@peggyancog1644 I think you missed the point. I don't have a story. I am not speculating on what might have happened.
The only way to avoid this tragedy was to anchor 100 meters to the right. Can’t blame a crew or a manufacture when Mother Nature is the culprit. It’s remarkable that most of the people actually survived.
Or move far away. Not brain surgery.
how do you know that the captain was not negligent. not following procedures during a storm tantamount to criminal consequences. the was probably drunk when he went to bed and didn't think to follow alert procedures.
Most survived but the main man and his daughter didn’t ? Says a lot
@@mufasasdaughter4831 I doubt the Captain would risk his livelihood with such irresponsibility. However, anything is possible.
@@slagletoby He was somehow oblivious to the weather forecast, as it was probably a calm evening.
Pretty normal that the designer slams the crew ,he doesn't want the officials to say it may have resulted from bad designing 😂
He's covering his arse. Another point to consider is the competence of the crew. Were they hired on the cheap?
The boat is a proven design which has withstood worse weather than this encounter.
95% of vehicle accidents are Human error. Land sea or air.
I hope that the people investigating this incident are more capable and honest and quicker than the people assigned to "investigate" the NordStream pipeline sabotage.
In the latest version, a couple fishermen in a row-boat from the Ukraine...
...blew it up.
Sure.
Maybe a yatch that size should be designed with a heavier full length keel to avoid these events.
pyshics, the higher the mast the deeper the keel needs to be in hte water
I’m no expert so won’t comment on who’s to blame until the yacht is recovered and await the results of the investigation. The builder shouldn’t be pointing fingers at anyone yet. That’s deplorable. Hope lessons can be learned to make these things safer.
One simplification from what he said is that with the keel retracted, and with the weight of the large sails rolled up and tied to the deck, the boat could actually tip over from a strong enough wave and float on its side or even bottom up. And that is not even counting flooding though the open hatches!
I can’t believe everyone on board did not know a storm was coming, and to not hoist anchor and make for the nearest port. Which from what we’ve seen in the video, would have literally been only a few minutes away.
Who’s to blame remains to be seen.
But it was clearly something that was completely avoidable.
In a ship in a storm, the safest place is off-shore.
When I saw that CCTV footage, the first thing I thought was "HAARP"
YES!
Definitely hasrp
Just was acquitted of a 20 billion dollar scam with HP. Coincidence ?
Lol
HAARP --- please, what does that mean?
"The mast may have snapped, shifting the center of gravity." "Somehow it was deluged with waves or something; I just don't know." Why are you commenting if you don't know the barest details? The vessel lies on the bottom, on her side, intact. Had the mast snapped, "Bayesian" would likely have remained upright & afloat. It was the mast that allowed the waterspout to knock her down, & that mast is unique on this design; the other hulls of this design were all rigged as ketches with 2 shorter masts instead of one ridiculously tall one. This whole design concept was wrong for so large a vessel.
Very sad ! Prayers to all the families and the rescue workers ❤🙏🏼
Nope
Regardless of the condition of the keel, why did the yacht lose power first?
I’m no expert but I’ll speculate anyway that if you are anchored and a storm hits, you are more vulnerable than if the boat were not anchored and can give way to the water. Add to that the “biggest mast” on this yacht (which sounds a lot like men bragging about how big their hammer is) and what other possible outcome could you expect. Soon as the mast caught the surface, it would have acted almost like a second anchor or at the least something to grab onto when the vessel already breached the surface. Loss of life is tragic regardless and for that, families of the deceased deserve compassion.
If anyone should be sued though, it should be Lynch’s wife as she is the “owner” but it was a freak accident and I don’t believe the crew is at fault, unless weather warnings were ignored, little could be done to change the dangers of drowning in a tiny vessel on a huge body of water and people in each little compartment. The ironies are more compelling. Recently acquitted defendant celebrating on a brand new yacht “owned” by his wife, his lawyer, a banker and their wives and mere days prior the co accused also dies in a tragic, yet more common accident. ……as for Lynch……seems more karmic than anything. Woman don’t own yachts unless their husbands need to hide money and legitimize questionable finances and who parties with their banker and lawyer? My only guess is someone who was potentially facing wrath and by some miracle and mind boggling amount of money, avoided a jail sentence.
A yacht with a smaller mast, may not of sunk so quick and though the water spout is a threat to anything caught up in it, vanity, curb appeal and arrogance was more vital to lynch than emergency preparedness. I bet no one among the guests were taught how to gtfo if the yacht took on water. We can assume alcohol flowed freely the eve prior to their demise, further compromising their ability to respond quicker, but again, little guarantees when Walter and weather work together
I would like to mention that anytime a ship builder makes the claim that his creation is "Unsinkable" Mother Nature is going to prove them wrong.
Incredible hubris given the same thing was said of the Titanic. People don’t learn history’s lessons apparently.
Yes, be very wary when people say this or that cannot happen, or say "stay where you are, we have everything under control"
Same for the submersible Titan. The CEO insisted it wasn’t sinkable if ballasts dropped yet used cheap material and fired his engineer that warmed him of the poor design.
@@SS-iw2nq Yes!!
That "expert" is an ignoramus. A snapped would actually have made the ship more stable. The crew simply failed to extend the retractable keel in the face of inclement weather.
He was speaking in the context that it might have somehow done some critical damage to the structure when it snapped, or failed and done damage at the Hull level.
But I doubt that, but still possible.
Tbh mate, the CEO is the owner of one of the most successful ship building companies in the world for private yachts.
To me it was human error or something odd going on! The owner of the ship was done for fraud, then sold tge furm to hp 11 months ago!
Seems odd!
There was no weather this was an isolated waterspout not a storm in any sense
Was there a vessel safety electronic automation system that monitored and controlled the vessel balance, gave warnings, prepared the boat for emergencies, etc? What a jerk of a sheep design! :)
One minute the crew was securing deck furniture and the next minute they were in the water ,no chance for anything ,the guests that survive were sleeping on deck because of the heat ! This was a horrible tragedy nobody to blame !
How can you drown and sink a super yacht at 160 feet ?
A little bit at first and then all at once" EH
With water and a whole lot of wind
It ended up probably upside down.
@@ip2networkz81 No. It ended up on its side.
Con un buon piano e molta perizia.
So the 'so called' Captain and his crew all managed to escape unhurt, but the folk they were meant to take care of mostly died. Ok! I think there is some seriously wrong there!
Lynch's wife was able to save herself but neither her husband or daughter, probably weren't sleeping together? contrary to the two other couples who lost their lives. She was the owner of the ship, so perhaps more into sailing and aware of the weather etc... that probably saved her
The crew were probably awake and alert and that's why they are alive. They crew dying would not have been better in any way.🙄😒
R.I.P. Peace. 🕊
No matter what, the boat was purely designed.
No, that's exactly why the company will pay to have it brought to the surface.
The latest is that the tender hatch was not secured. That is mega serious negligence and it alone is enough to be responsible for the sinking.
There's a possibility that other safety messures were also not carried out. If this proves correct it's really dreadful.
The boat manufacturers will be desperate to examine it and are no doubt praying it was negligence rather than a design fault. I don't blame them.
@@carofreeman7598 if the main entrance sliding door opened just because the boat healed over ...ta...a good safe system takes human error into account, would anybody buy that kind of boat again? No certainly not.
The blame game begins......
Snapping Mast as a reason for the horrific outcome makes no sense since the keel is there for balancing the moment on the mast which you experience while sailing, a shorter mast has a positive impact on the boats stability, a snapping mast would the lower the pressure of water or wind on the sailplane/ side profile...
probably they left the hatches open in combination with a pulled up keel..so the boat heeled sideways and water came in
Whatever happened its incredibly sad that those people lost their lives in such a tragedy.
It was an attack. Mobster style, a few days after Lynch was acquitted.
So much baseless speculation.
Agreed
They won on the court and both are dead two days after that. Baseless? Think not.
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That same day, one of their lawyers was murdered in a hit-and-run in a different country.
So much conjecture and speculation. It is a UK registered ship so the MAIB will do a thorough and totally transparent investigation, and only then when their final casualty report is published in due course, will we know what actually happened.
It is not in the MAIB's remit to apportion blame nor prosecute, and they are in fact legally prohibited from promulgating prosecution, (the MCA will be more than happy to do that as and when it may become appropriate). In the meantime, until the MAIB have published their full casualty report, people with little knowledge should stop speculating.
I say this as a highly experienced and qualified large yacht Captain with a lifetime's experience at sea. Let the expert investigators do their job first before everyone starts pointing the finger of blame.
Lousy captain, lousy crew. Didn't even lower the keel in that deep anchorage for storm conditions. With the second highest mast....
Who hired them?
How do You know the keel wasn't lowered source please.
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AIS date shows yacht was turned 180' causing the stern to face the wind and waves. This is a lethal position for a yacht.
How does the CEO know anything before the investigation? If he has been spreading the bs pr that his boats are "unsinkable" he should be held accountable. "Unsinkable" isn't a thing.
If the mast shrouds chainplates were compromised or ripped out and or because the mast alone failed, almost as a whole, the weight with sails and inertia could possibly pull the yacht over - If of course any side doors or stern transom or even a main saloon companionway door were open you have a catastrophic sequence and a minute to get out. The fact that the liferaft was launched or operated automatically was a lifesaver. That the survivors found their way out and to it in the dark and the storm is a miracle. The inquiry deserves due process.
the divers said the mast didn't break
The Italians will turn this accident into a 3 to 4 year nightmare for someone, anyone really. They will charge the Capitan, the crew and the boats designer. Someone will get jailed for an accident. The Italian legal system is as flawed as it gets when it comes to accidental or unexpected deaths, both Colin Chapman and Frank Williams were pursued for years after the deaths of Ronnie Peterson and Aryton Senna for exactly the same reasons.
Shows you that these Yachts aren't as safe as some make them out to be 😢
There are 3 things to consider about the sea, the marine environment.
1, The sea can be cruel, unpredictable and merciless!
2. The sea can be cruel, unpredictable and merciless!
3. The sea can be cruel, unpredictable and merciless!
Anyone who understands the marine environment knows this. One flaw, one mistake and things turn bad very, very quickly so you must, must always treat the sea with respect, ensure things are safely done, by the book.
As someone who loved wreck diving, sometimes at depths like this yacht ended up in, the risks are huge, the margins for error tiny!
To imagine guests for whom innocence, celebrating a good time to be surprised and disorientated by the yacht turning over without warning, sinking quickly, water rushing in, lights failing, debris raining down to clog and obstruct, simply a terrifying, hopeless fate!
For an experienced wreck diver it would be very challenging but a good diver with no gear has the skills and discipline to work their way out and to most probably survive, for an untrained, inexperienced novice not a hope unless there was luck.
I guess as an experienced diver, I am always looking at how I get out from below deck or somewhere else, if something goes wrong, the discipline that the yacht's trained crew must have had too. I can imagine what they risked to help the guests that they could. Essentially they did incredibly well.
Very sad, an incredibly likely rare incident but someone stuffed up!
Thank you for that well set documentary in approaching upcoming facts in this incident with the tragic loss of 7 persons!
Goes to show the crews survival training worked, but guests rarely have survival training
It's probable that most of the crew were called to duty & thus awake & up at the moment of the disaster.
So distressing for all who lost their lives and those left behind. May they have peace and healing in time❤
Very very sad for all involved, rest in piece
Designer and yacht maker should go on trial for selling an vessel that is not seaworthy. They claimed it was unsinkable. It sank. Now pay up for that lie.
I'd say that the keel was raised and as such, the boat couldn't right itself once the mast hit the water. A freak accident, but one that the crew could have prepared a little better for, even if the owner was someone who ultimately demanded comfort and leisure, over the captains' best advice. The yacht maker coming out this strong, reeks of trying to influence Italian authorities, involved in an Italian built yacht, sinking. God forbid, that the enormous mast(& weight) was maybe too high to allow the vessel to right itself, thus opening them up for a lawsuit.
That there is an appeal pending in a multi-billion dollar lawsuit directly connected to one of the victims is of course entirely irrelevant and it's just coincidence that his co-defendant was killed in an entirely accidental car crash on the same day.
One of their lawyers was executed by a hit-and-run in a different country...
... THAT SAME DAY.
As a sailor, I see two crucial mistakes.
1. They ripped off the elites.
2. They beat em in court too.
It's super sad how this turned out. It seems like common sense to pay attention to weather alerts, especially on a yacht. Just goes to show, never underestimate the power of the sea! 💔🌊
Agreed the captain did NOTHING TO PREPARE for the storm as he said himself he didn’t the bad weather was coming ( even though he had sophisticated weather equipment)
The sister ship survived Hurricane Katrina, so the boat was very capable of withstanding the storm . Sadly this was a very unnecessary loss of lives due to captain negligence. It’s clear there were many human errors at play here and as the crew knew the boat well they all got out in time. I hope the captain is charged criminally for the loss of 7 lives.
You don't know yet as it's just sheer speculation, like listening to the BBC crap and propaganda
Easy tiger let's wait for a report
Did the Captain survive? We don't know.
Oh lost a billionare who is a criminal . He should be in prison not captain
Read the story of the yacht mentioned S/Y Legacy is not a sistership. Nothing to do with what happened to this one. www.sail.ie/legacy/legacy_beached.htm
Would like to know if any who died were crew members. I was aboard the Fantome in 1998 when Hurricane Mitch came roaring around Venezuela, us passengers were evacuated off the coast of Belize City. We had spent the previous week enjoying paradise in the Bay Islands of Honduras. Two days after our evacuation the crew and ship were lost in the hurricane, a category 5. They still rest in a watery grave, never found.
I still cry and can’t bear to look at my photos from that fateful journey.
Before a forecast storm I close all hatches and external doors except those with large overhangs which keep the door areas dry and can be easy and qucikly closed if gusts happen. My large glass stern sliding doors do get closed every night for security and when hurricanes are forecast (just gone through Hurricane Beryl when everything was locked up tight). Personally I would not have raised the keel as it was a deep water anchorage and possibly not necessary. But this captain is in the front of the blame-game line full of people wise after the event. So good luck captain and get lawyered up ASAP so you don't get over-run by rats
I tremble for anyone who falls into the hands of the Italian court system, but I don't see how they can arrest a waterspout?
What makes me tremble is the nationalism with which you insist on defending your fellow countrymen, while we Italians never had any issues condemning an irresponsible captain like Schettino of the Concordia. Here, we have a crew that saved themselves (we're not putting the tornado on trial) and left all the guests to sleep in their cabins. This is an objective fact: the guests were in the hull of the boat, a place where they should never have been during bad weather. Another detail that affects the crew's responsibility: even if they couldn't predict the sudden storm, the weather reports were clear and warned of the danger. Despite having hours to lower the keel, warn the guests, and prevent them from accessing the less safe areas of the boat, they did none of this. If the crew hadn't been English, you wouldn't have hesitated to highlight their incompetence. When we sent Schettino to prison for his criminal behavior, no one complained; on the contrary, the mockery was all about the cowardice of the Italian captain. Now that we're faced with an entire crew of reckless slackers, the problem is the judiciary that supposedly wants to put a tornado on trial.
They worried about not partying and made unsafe judgement. RIP
When a freak moment occurs in a storm NOTHING then goes according to plan.
Why? In Europe the Captain and crew are the first to leave a sinking ship? Cowards
No, they are not. That is why there is controversy.
Richard Bucknall how did you become a professor in the department of mechanical engineering? If you haven’t figured out that a mast breaking means that a yacht is less top heavy and therefore less likely to roll then you don’t deserve to be a professor of mechanical engineering.
The Captain of this vessel is totally responsible for this accident
Even if you were the captain you would save yourself before any other person
We don't know this yet....
In an interview after this tragedy, a security guard who was appointed to watch Mike Lynch while he was under house arrest said that Lynch treated his guards like members of his family, insisting that they sat at the family table and ate together. If he took the same relaxed and overly friendly attitude towards the crew of his yacht, that might explain why basic safety precautions seem to have been overlooked. A boat’s crew need to be alert and professional at all times, not given the impression that they’re on a holiday.
With this many Mistakes. Let's Start with The Captain being a Possible DEI Hire with less than One years experience?
Mr Lynch and his associates and his daughter drown? , AND within a couple of days his colleague who had also been on trial with him in America, (and they were found not guilty) , dies when he was out running near his home, by a woman driving a car. He died in hospital later.
What a HORRIBLE coincidence? for these deaths to occur at the same time.
These poor men had been extradited to America by Priti Patel, now they had a chance to rebuild their lives again.
RIP to all who died.
Hard to believe that an experienced Captain would make any mistakes so serious as to endanger lives on a state of the art yacht like that.
CIA HIT ? Both defendants dead on same day by different "accidents "?
@chris,
Plus one of their lawyers was executed in a hit-and-run... in a different country the same day.
It was a downburst not a tornado. The boat tipped over onto it's side then the water came in probably from the back area while people are trying to crawl out over top of the debris. It took 12 minutes to sink so that is due to progressive flooding. If the mast was able to raise up again then even very full of water the boat would probably survive but sideways will kill you every time.
The crew survives but the family is dead. Very fishy.
The first rule of seamanship is keep the water out. This boat was very poorly designed in that respect. The stern hatch and the side hatch and retractable keel made the vessel vulnerable to Mistakes by the crew I'm sure the legal process will drag on and this vessel will probably be deemed unseaworthy and the yacht designers will be sued. Blaming the crew before the investigation is complete it's not going to help the designer
How do you know there was zero negligence?
Hanna was not your typical spoilt woke rich kid, she excelled in her studies and her loss is a terrible avoidable tragedy.
😅
Evans was a fraudster despite the bogus court victory his attorneys gained. He bought his way to freedom with a corrupt justice system.
Bayesian won awards for best design and interior for Super Yacht. It is also a tragedy for the vessel to sank with some passengers still trapped in their cabins 😢
Giovanni Costantino, the CEO of The Italian Sea Group, comes out immediately to blame crew to deflect any possibility it was a design flaw made by his company.
I know as much about yacht design as I do about quantum physics.......but it seems shocking to me that anyone can lay blame at the crews "catastrophic mistakes" before the accident has even been investigated.
Surely the only sensible thing to say, even if you owned the company that built it, is that it's a tragedy, and we must not speculate or aportion blame UNTIL we know all the facts.
nonsense. The facts speak for themself
Agreed
The captain said he did not know bad weather was coming. Reports are that the keel was retracted when they found the boat. I think that says that the boat was not prepared for a storm, there was a degree of overconfidence, and the crew was negligent.
So basically this is a 30 second video that repeats itself over and over again in slightly different ways and slows down the text to stretch it out to 6:30. Even in the 'Chapter' markers above shows the same scene 4 times.
The divers already know if the keel was deployed or not when they made the first few dive operations.
Maybe not. Its possible it relied on gravity to go down and if it landed on it it may have forced it to retract. Depends on the construction.
The keel would not be deployed while at anchor
Lynch: "No worries ya'll! They said it's unsinkable! Sure sure, leave the windows open!"
The yacht maker doesn't want to lose business he will blame everyone. Tornados form and come in seconds, in the middle of the ocean at night they didn't have much of a chance. I am glad for all survivors.
Agreed
He's not blaming anyone because he fears losing business. He is going to be firmly in the cross hairs of an Italian "murder" investigation and he's getting his deflection in first because he knows what's coming. The British crew are in for a very unpleasant surprise too. In Italy someone is to "blame" every time there is an unexpected death. They will end up crucifying somebody , anyone really, who gets the blame finally hardly matters to the system.
It's a water spout. It's a column of water. All it takes is an open hatch or companion way and the water spout to travel over it, where it will dump hundreds of tons of water into the vessel immediately.
Of course the yacht maker is going to blame the crew he don't want to accept responsibility
HINT: Severe weather approaching means all passengers shd have been taken to onshore hotels HOURS before it struck. BUT rich people DONT like being told what to do, the captain/crew may have TOLD them what was coming, and the rich folks just ignored/brushed them off, had plenty of alcohol as usual, then dozed off, oblivious....as per other former boat crew people chiming in on this incident, I read on other pages, very likely, indeed....
All these speculations.
The FACT (sorry for caps) is that this could all have been solved from day 1. The divers should have filmed the retrieval of bodies (can always be blurred out) the divers should also have filmed the boat itself, including hatches as well as the keel, and an ROV should have been sent down for the very same reason and purpose. Yet here 'we' are, several days later, speculating. I'm sorry but something is off here, I can't explain it but something is off. Yes, you can call me what you like in the comment section all good. Unfortunately, she could now have been tampered with and we'll never know.
Weaponization of weather
maybe they have filmed the ship underneath, but images may not be available to the public. there isn't much light 50m under water anyway. It must be very gloomy sad and depressing.