Great reaction. So you know, the suicide of Senator Smith wasn't just made up for drama. Google Wyoming Senator Lester Hunt. He committed suicide because his son was arrested for soliciting what turned out to be an undercover policeman. Word got around and the opposition wanted the senator to resign or they would publicize it. In June 1954, he left a note and then shot himself at his desk in his office.
Theatre stars well-represented here. That's Will Brill playing Roy Cohn; Brill just won a Tony Award for Best Featured Actor in a Play a few days ago. Jonathan Bailey won a Laurence Olivier Award for Best Actor in a Supporting Role originating the Amy/Jamie swapped role (Musical) in Sondheim's 2018 "Company" revival.
Yes, you are right: the last 3 episodes shift away from the 1950s story line, which has essentially wrapped up by this point, giving major attention respectively to the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s (with flashbacks to earlier periods). I think it's brilliantly done, especially given that the novel takes place entirely in the 1950s, with a brief "frame" in the 1990s (for Hawk only). ADDITIONAL THOUGHT: The fact that Episode 6 focuses on the 1960s, Episode 7 on the 1970s and Episode 8 on the 1980s is surely not an accident... 🙂
When hawk said" I m not gonna wait for you" It was a joke as when soldiers go to war their partners wait for them. Yes sen smith was based on a 2 real senators of that time.
Obviously Hawk is the great love of Tim's life, but Tim is Hawk's. Hawk has spent his adult life making a point of never seeing the same guy twice, not even asking their names, and yet he can't leave Tim alone. He cares for Lucy, but he doesn't love her. He's using her as both a beard and a stepping stone to further his political career. The reason the senator couldn't be blasé about having a gay son is that it was illegal to be gay. It was literally against the law, and considered by a lot of society to be comparable with kiddy-fiddling! We have no idea how lucky we are to be alive today.
Guys a real life Hawkins fullers daughter wrote a heartfelt message to Jonathan which he read in The view show where he went to promote with Matt and not a dry eye while read that letter. These are real life stories and so heart wrenching
Idk, maybe I'm alone in this, but I actually have a lot of sympathy for Hawk because none of what he does, he does out of malice. It all stems from a place of fear because of what happened to him early on in his life with his first love and his father traumatising him so profoundly. To me he is the most tragic character.
Agreed. He is definitely the one who loses the most. We noticed it when he was back in his study at the end, and he held that DC souvenir. The one he was given by his first love. 😭
I agree that sending Leonard to the conversion therapy was a terrible thing to do and Hawk probably had his ulterior motives. However, while we know how conversion therapy is completely useless and horrible today, Hawk and others probably truly believed that it might work back in the 50’s. You could say that I am simply defending Hawk, but I do think he was trying his best to help Senator Smith solve the crisis.
I hate Hawkins for what he did to his brother in law in this episode, bring tissues guys the last 3 episodes are absolutely devastatings, great post discussions.
Great reaction. So you know, the suicide of Senator Smith wasn't just made up for drama. Google Wyoming Senator Lester Hunt. He committed suicide because his son was arrested for soliciting what turned out to be an undercover policeman. Word got around and the opposition wanted the senator to resign or they would publicize it. In June 1954, he left a note and then shot himself at his desk in his office.
Also a big hug to you guys when you guys were trying so hard not to cry. Advance hugs for ep 6,7 &8. Pls have tissues .
“He is not beating her bush; that is the problem” - best quote yet!! 😂
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Theatre stars well-represented here. That's Will Brill playing Roy Cohn; Brill just won a Tony Award for Best Featured Actor in a Play a few days ago. Jonathan Bailey won a Laurence Olivier Award for Best Actor in a Supporting Role originating the Amy/Jamie swapped role (Musical) in Sondheim's 2018 "Company" revival.
Yes, you are right: the last 3 episodes shift away from the 1950s story line, which has essentially wrapped up by this point, giving major attention respectively to the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s (with flashbacks to earlier periods). I think it's brilliantly done, especially given that the novel takes place entirely in the 1950s, with a brief "frame" in the 1990s (for Hawk only). ADDITIONAL THOUGHT: The fact that Episode 6 focuses on the 1960s, Episode 7 on the 1970s and Episode 8 on the 1980s is surely not an accident... 🙂
When hawk said" I m not gonna wait for you"
It was a joke as when soldiers go to war their partners wait for them.
Yes sen smith was based on a 2 real senators of that time.
Obviously Hawk is the great love of Tim's life, but Tim is Hawk's. Hawk has spent his adult life making a point of never seeing the same guy twice, not even asking their names, and yet he can't leave Tim alone. He cares for Lucy, but he doesn't love her. He's using her as both a beard and a stepping stone to further his political career.
The reason the senator couldn't be blasé about having a gay son is that it was illegal to be gay. It was literally against the law, and considered by a lot of society to be comparable with kiddy-fiddling! We have no idea how lucky we are to be alive today.
Couldn't agree more. We are indeed very lucky and owe it to those who came before us 🙏
Guys a real life Hawkins fullers daughter wrote a heartfelt message to Jonathan which he read in The view show where he went to promote with Matt and not a dry eye while read that letter. These are real life stories and so heart wrenching
Idk, maybe I'm alone in this, but I actually have a lot of sympathy for Hawk because none of what he does, he does out of malice. It all stems from a place of fear because of what happened to him early on in his life with his first love and his father traumatising him so profoundly. To me he is the most tragic character.
Agreed. He is definitely the one who loses the most.
We noticed it when he was back in his study at the end, and he held that DC souvenir. The one he was given by his first love.
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Good episode and good reaction too!
Thank you 🫶
Can't wait to see your reactions to the last three episodes..
Can you guys do 2 episodes at one time 😭😭
Small tip for the next episode, keep track of time through Lucy's clothes.
I agree that sending Leonard to the conversion therapy was a terrible thing to do and Hawk probably had his ulterior motives. However, while we know how conversion therapy is completely useless and horrible today, Hawk and others probably truly believed that it might work back in the 50’s. You could say that I am simply defending Hawk, but I do think he was trying his best to help Senator Smith solve the crisis.
It's often really hard to believe that the brutal "cures" of the past were once widely accepted.
I tried to re-watch it for the second time but I am scared of having my heart shattered again 😢
We will have shattered hearts together 😭
@@therainbowreels oh yes 😭😂
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I hate Hawkins for what he did to his brother in law in this episode, bring tissues guys the last 3 episodes are absolutely devastatings, great post discussions.
But no one knew how dangerous conversion therapy was then - even Leonard says he wants "to be cured". (And NOT his BIL at this point.