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@@darkwarrior06 That's a fine line since it was GOD who ordained Government. Our problem is the we all to often want GOD blessings, but we don't want bto include him in our secular life. The Bible says in all your ways acknowledge him. And he will guide you prov 3.
@darkwarrior06 Therefore we honor GOD in the church and in the world. We play by his rules in the church and we as believers should govern ourselves by his rules even living in this world. I don't see how it is possible to separate the two and find favor with GOD. Even the founding fathers understood that.
The hypocrisy stems from the same source that it does throughout so many denominational ideologies. They read Paul’s letters, while ignoring context. This is a conversation I’m constantly having with various pastors & bishops. This archaic, misogynistic dogma is not what Paul was endorsing. Context reveals this truth. And if anyone wants to know, yes; I ordain women. If anyone has a problem with that, they’d better be highly skilled in exegesis & hermeneutics, because it’s how I’ll support my position.
@ it’s actually far more complex than that, and mainly revolves around the rudimentary English understanding of the word rendered as “silent”. From the Greek, it means something other than what most English speakers think it means. The rendering wasn’t done to intentionally mislead. The reason is that when the KJV was published, there was no 1:1 translation for every Greek word.
Women are allowed to vote in COGIC elections. Wives of bishops, certain selected women, and supervisors are allowed to vote. Licensed men, elders and bishops can vote. It’s up to the bishop of that jurisdiction to select a lay person as a delegate.
The first preacher in the bible was a woman ordained by the risen Lord! Goggle even knows that! Paul's partner in ministry was a woman. Apostle Junia. COGIC has to know this!
I'm not a member of COGIC but I am a sister in The Lord Messiah Jesus Christ and humbly MVMY (my view my opinion) is that maybe the politics, political candidates and ideologies of the world SHOULD NOT be brought into the churches NOR preached from church pulpits by leadership. It is very sad regarding all this DIVISIVENESS amongst our spiritual leaders and many brethren. Everyone seems to NEED a big slice of HUMBLE pie. All this religiosity and pompousness is NOT GOOD! Not to mention there is no church denomination (schism) that sets the STANDARDS for the entire Body of The Christ. The Holy Scriptures📖 are CLEAR regarding church leadership and order, what should be preached, worship etc. Is there any wonder why churches are losing their influence and witness in the world🌎? Blessings🙏🏼
We must also interpret the scriptures correctly, before we can apply them wholly. Do you know there are 4 variations of the word "Woman" in the new testament? When Paul penned 1 Timothy 2:1 the greek term "GYNE" is used for Woman. This means Wife. This is not the term "Woman" used in Romans 1:27, where Paul states that men will leave the natural use of "Woman", the greek term "THELYS" is used, meaning female. Paul did not say in 1 Timothy, Females, He said - WIVES, for the office of Wife is more important than that of teacher or secular leader (per the bible, not present, secular society of course). Further, please note, we are in the last Days. The Holy Spirit reminds me of both Joel 2:28-32 and Acts 2:15-21 that states in the last days, God's sons AND DAUGHTERS would prophesy. God will always have a remnant stand for him, and He will have His sons AND DAUGHTERS on the Wall in these last days to teach, lead and be an example of the fires of God flames, confounding the wisdom of the wise. #LastDaysChangesErythang
@@LifeandLove85 I'on know bout all that, but thank you Kindly! I love his word, and I do know the Holy Spirit will bring it back when needed and THANK GOD! 😂🤣😂
@socialfireechurch Are you going to address some of the commenter’s questions about a woman being a Pastor or a Bishop? We would love to have some clear scriptures that you know of; that has examples of this etc…
So those of you who correctly state that we cannot be bishops (according to the scriptures), what about dividing the roles? How do you feel about that? What I mean is, ecumenically, Bishop Sheard is the PB, but civically, he’s the CEO on legal documents. Would men who are ok with Kamala as President, be ok with women in COGIC being the CEO, but not the Bishop?
I think this is a great conversation to have in the church. Many men in COGIC voted for Kamala, probably more voted for her then did not if we look at the numbers from the overall black community 70/30 black men Kamala/Trump
@@emellhope7031And that's so sad weather male or female to vote for this woman. 2nd to vote Democrat party that stands against everything biblically, and as a true believer of Christ. 3rd a vote for her should be based on this woman's caliber she has been proven to be time after time as being incompetent for anything she's done throughout her political career. Everything about her life has been been proven to be fake and a lie, couldn't even run her billion+ dollar campaign successfully. 20 million+ in the red now. I would feel the same way if it was a man that happened to be this stupid, ignorant, and dumb. Not to even get started on her policy's
@@socialfireechurch you stated in the video that followers of Christ shouldn't be voting under any terms of any sort. And that somebody proved it to you. Could you elaborate on that.
The examples you gave in the video aren’t clear; why not do an entire Bible Study show; to address your examples specifically. No Psychology; Just Word.🙏🏿✝️
The bible may give example of women in spiritual leadership in scripture. However the bible tells us our pastor, bishops are to be men 1 Timothy 3 , so if women can pastor men what is there qualifications do tell chapter n verse
Not so! A true follower and believer can't just separate themselves from scripture just for the sake of accepting the world's social status, or their standards. That would be considered a hypocrite are someone that's carnal and worldly. Rather than someone that's owned and brought by Christ.
@ Okay fine! WTH you didn’t run for President? You could have gone on up there to the Washington Mall, hold the Bible upside down and read to us from 2 Corinthians! I’m sure it’s all good cuz you a MAANNN!
The supporting scripture, was Judges chapter 4&5. God raised Deborah up to lead all of Israel. Israel where there was no separation if you will, of church(GOD’s chosen people) and state. Israel was God’s chosen people and He sovereignly ( did not receive counsel from man) appointed a woman to lead. She was a prophet(spiritual leadership) she was a judge and military strategist if you will (governmental leadership) God himself was never out of order, unrighteousness or wrong. Meaning if it was wrong for a woman to lead God would not have done it. He is the same God yesterday,today and forever more. He changes not. The point is if He did it before He can do it again. He raised a woman up to lead His people before He can raise a woman up to lead HIS people again. Not to say all women are qualified just as all men in the church are not qualified. Let’s let God be God🙏🏾
@bendeloach8750 I don't know if he was one of the Black churches that got paid or not. But he definitely made the announcement publicly who he was for. And that was for the sake of influence or persuading others. Rom. 1:32 TLB They were fully aware of God’s death penalty for these crimes, yet they went right ahead and did them anyway and encouraged others to do them, too.
Cmon bruh use some common sense, it's about his intent, the purpose. He turned around and asked if anybody else was with him. By way of a (amen). If it was so personal there would have not been a need to make a public announcement. And on top of that allowed her to show up at the Assembly (church) later that week.
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I have a question? I have always thought that Debra was chosen as a judge over Israel as a judgment for disobedience. Is that correct or not? I'm here to learn.
Debra was a prophetess and a judge. The Bible doesn’t at all indicate that she was chosen as a form of punishment for Israel’s disobedience. Anyone who said that is adding to the Scriptures. Also, Debra still submitted unto the man who was in charge at the time, but he was too afraid to go up without her, an action that was actually considered dishonorable so she cautions him, “if I have to go with you, it indicates you don’t believe the word of God, so the glory will not go to you, but rather to a woman”. Notice this isn’t said to the man as though it were a good thing. 🫶🏽
@MinisterZionHAWilliams thanks for answering my question. I've wondered why people have always said that when the subject of women preaching comes up. It is very much appreciated.
I'm not a prophtess,nor,pastor,nor Bishop,I don't have a degree, but I'm a teacher,I get my teaching from fasting, praying,from Jesus Christ.I see many people talking about Deborah,After Judge Ehud had personally assassinated the wicked king of Moab, he proclaimed to Israel, “Follow me, for the Lord has delivered your enemies the Moabites into your hand”. Under his courageous leadership Israel’s army killed about 10,000 Moabites. As a result Israel enjoyed 80 years of rest (see Judges 3). But sadly, Judges chapter 4 reveals how after Ehud died, the children of Israel began to follow after false gods. So God gave them over to Jabin, King of Canaan, who harshly oppressed them for twenty years. This was not the first time that Israel would rebel against God after their godly leader died. And unfortunately, it would not be the last. Deborah judged and led Israel for 60 years, the nation,A judge, prophetess,singer,military leader,God gave her the authority many times in Scripture God shows up when His people cry out for help. In this case, Israel was paralyzed by fear of Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army who boasted 900 iron chariots. So, God rose up an unlikely judge, prophetess and hero of the faith a woman named Deborah.She was married but also obeyed God,Deborah delivered God’s message to Barak to take 10,000 men to battle against Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army who all Israel was afraid of Sisera. Deborah’s prophecy continued, “And God will deliver him into your hand” (Judges 4:7) but the one you fear the most Sisera will be into the hand of a woman”,why would God before grace and mercy Jesus died appoint a woman to be over all Israel even the men, because he knew this time was going.(Gal.3:28)There's male nor female for we are all one in Christ-in the eyes of God, men and women are equally valuable and have an equal chance of salvation. It also calls for unity and harmony among the church which is us the body of Christ, and for treating each other as brothers and sisters.Prisca and Aquila were husband and wife who worked together,Paul also talked about,Romans 16:3-4)(Acts 18:26)Priscilla and Aquila were a first-century Christian missionary married couple described in the New Testament. Aquila is traditionally listed among the Seventy Disciples. They lived, worked, and traveled with the Apostle Paul, who described them as his fellow workers in Christ Jesus.And the scripture everybody use about a bishop of one wife, well keep reading it also say the deacon should be the husband of one wife why do the churches have deaconess,1Tmothy 3:2-12)Also the scripture many teach, women should be silent in the church and not to usurp authority over men,1 Timothy 2:12 and 1 Corins, 14:34) remember Paul was teaching to Gentiles,Jews ect,some still had customs under the law that wasn't a sin such as separating men on one side women on the other or covering your head with hats, clearly the Bible say,1 Corns, 11:1-16 read down to the 16 verse But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.if women should keep silence in church sit your wife down, the church mother, your mother,your grandmother, sisters,all the women's,if a woman want to asked anything asked her husband well what if she's not married, read the scriptures with an understanding from Jesus.don't change the Bible,What does Usurp means,take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force.So if people are being saved, filled with Jesus Holy Ghost for real not faking, getting healed through you by the power of the Holy Ghost,that person is live according to Jesus word, and they come before Jesus you think he will say depart from me cause you use the name Bishop,pastor (A women) nope he will say well done thy good and faithful servant, not pastor, not bishop servant.People care about tiles Jesus don't he care about souls,But don't get me wrong I don't like hollering, getting a tune, kicking your legs up,hooping,woman or man.Don't partake of another man or woman evil doings, or to agree with them saying it's ok, Oh by the way when I was born 75 years ago I was born to COGIC parents,
@ I don’t mean to offend anyone but just the teaching in me someone might want answers the word of Jesus is not meant to have Bible study just truth I apologize if it offends you but I don’t for Gods word
@ This is an interactive group chat. You gotta find a way to teach us without taking us to school. At this point some of the responses are twice as long as the commentary. Young people aren’t going to stay that long!
@@susizettcolbert2394 No please don’t stop commenting. I’m not trying to lose any followers for anyone. Just maybe 2 paragraphs instead of 10. Think less short story and more bill board.
Matthew 16:18-19, 1Timothy 2: 12. This is about the order of Authority given by GOD through the Apostles to govern the Church. As for Deborah she never exercise Authority over Israel as much as she spoke to Israel according to GOD'S will. Even Deborah submitted herself to the authority of the men. She submitted to the Authority of the men in leadership. Please refer to how Deborah acted in submission and humility.
@@LifeandLove85 Did ancient Greeks have a single word for both “woman” and “wife”?” The ancient Greek (Attic) word for woman was γυνή which had other forms in different dialects such as γυνά, the accusative form γυναίκα became the common form in modern Greek. It is a cognate to the English word “queen” both of which come from Proto-Indo-European. Now “gynē” (γυνή) means woman but can also mean “wife” an parallels the use of ἀνήρ “man” (whose accusative form ἄνδρα survives in modern Greek as άνδρας/άντρας) also means husband. But the use of man/woman to mean also husband/wife is not unique in Greek. However Greek also has the word σύζυγος sýzygos which literally means “co-yoked” and has been used since Ancient Greek through today to mean “spouse” and as a noun of common gender means “wife” or “husband” depending if the article ἡ or ὀ is used.
@ Gyne is an interesting word. If you re-read 1 Timothy 2 with the words wife and husband, it gives a whole different message. Paul was friends with a woman named Lydia who had a church in her home. He also greeted Junia who he called an Apostle. Surely, if he had a problem with what they were doing, he would have rebuked them instead of greeting.
It is that biblical that a woman can be a Bishop. Nowhere in the Bible can anyone show that a woman was preaching at any given time? You keep using Deborah deborah was a judge, not a preacher. Pasta genogenings have already explain why women. Are not to be teachers and preachers in the church. I think you should call him to your show and have this open debate. He'd be more than willing to come and explain to you the scriptures. I do not agree that women cannot vote in the church. They should be allowed to vote on leadership.
Oh for got the scriptures Romans 13:1-7 For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God that;s for the the people who break the law not for righteous because we are going to obey the law except if the law forbid us to worship,praise,pray,live holy (1 Timothy 1:7-13 please read whole chapter not just one verse then you will understand,God's law is different from the church law.The church law should be Holy according to Jesus word
And I'm not surprised they didn't vote Bishop wooden in because Bishop will point his finger at them and say you would not do this up under my leadership you got to go
@@erichall465 What a way to speak life into all the women and girls you know….real good fix you a plate and run you some bath water cuz that’s all you are good for!🤬
Maybe that’s one reason why there hasn’t been a WOMAN to lead the nation …?! What is the martial qualifications for a pastor or bishop ? According to scripture? ……………………….stay in the book bruh
Man of God I love you but you will have a hard time proving that the verses in 1st Timothy 3 (specifically these verses!) allow for women to become Bishops in the Lord’s church without twisting scripture and making it contradict itself. It is clear when Paul writes this (under inspiration of the Holy Ghost) that he explicitly intends that only men become Bishops. The Bible doesn’t prevent women from being in leadership (that’s a very broad term you used repeatedly in the clip) but Paul deals specifically with the office of the Bishop and it doesn’t apply to women. Furthermore, it is hypocritical on a lot of levels for Bishop Sheard or any Bible believing pastor to endorse VP Harris who has blatantly and publicly shown herself to be an anti Christian candidate. Lastly, the Church (and I’m sure you would agree with this at least) should not take its cues from the world regarding how we are to operate. So what the world elects women for top leadership, that should not be the reason that the Church does, but rather what the Bible teaches and allows should be the only standard. The Bible teaches women can operate in various forms of leadership in the Church, but respectfully (and at the risk of yall cursing me out in the comments) being Bishop isn’t one of them. (Side note: I’m pretty sure women are allowed to vote in the General Assembly of the COGIC since my First Lady and our Church Evangelist both indicated to me who they would be voting for in this years election).
I do notice that COGIC licenses women as Evangelistic Missionaries and Evangelists though. They also allow certain women to pastor who have had a male relative who served as pastor to die. So if some women can pastor in COGIC, they should let all women do it.
Can women Lead the World and Church? Yes. Does the Bible agree? No. This was the entire issue with her being elected. Evangelicals couldn’t see themselves being Lead by a Woman, even though she was the best “Man” for the job.
@ Get yourself back on the boat. Kamala is a boss in every way. I notice that the people that criticize her the most just barely graduated high school. No more comments about Kamala because imma about to curse yall out on this here Christian channel!
Your comment and and reply just explained why God told eve that Adam shall have rule over her. After telling her that twice because she didn't want to except it or hear it. It's your nature. Argue all you want facts speaks for its self.
You talk about just deboer but how about the New testament teaching of Paul you have to compare scripture with scripture secular teaching is different from spiritual teaching how about what Paul says about the bishop and helders should be the husband of one wife you are biased in your discussion
You are funny smh how can you compare the church with the world smh the Bible says a bishop shall be the husband of one wife you don’t know your bible boy
Women holding positions in the world is one's opinion but women preachers and exercising authority over men in the church is forbidden in scripture. Opinions don't matter.
I'm a COGIC ordained Elder in and I would support a woman as a bishop as does the Episcopalian, United Methodist and other denominations....COGIC is antiquated and as a result, many people are leaving the denomination, I've seen it in my own jurisdiction with churches closing their doors 🤷🏾♂️
BIBLE says what it says can't reverse that, GOD didn't call any women to lead a group of men, Deborah is a bad example, don't know about leading in fighting, but when a man puts himself under the authority of a woman, they would have to answer to GOD
Rock Leach Sr-Paul is clear in scripture.Women are not to lead men in the church.I was an admirer of your channel,and I was going to become a subscriber.I believe that you are a cultural Christian,who cares more for the world,than God’s word.This is the last video of yours that I’ll view.
Matthew 16:18-19, 1Timothy 2: 12. This is about the order of Authority given by GOD through the Apostles to govern the Church. As for Deborah she never exercise Authority over Israel as much as she spoke to Israel according to GOD'S will. Even Deborah submitted herself to the authority of the men. She submitted to the Authority of the men in leadership. Please refer to how Deborah acted in submission and humility.
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Rock the bible clearly and in plain language why women can't be in authority over men when it comes to God's order.
@@darkwarrior06 we damn sure can write better. Do a better job of finishing and proofreading your thoughts!
@@Grwm.Arielle Thanks English teacher 🙏
it’s disgraceful how they treat women in cogic
Secular leadership is different from Spiritual leadership.
@@darkwarrior06 That's a fine line since it was GOD who ordained Government. Our problem is the we all to often want GOD blessings, but we don't want bto include him in our secular life. The Bible says in all your ways acknowledge him. And he will guide you prov 3.
@ I understand that we want the blessings of God but we have to be obedient to receive the blessings of God
@darkwarrior06 Therefore we honor GOD in the church and in the world. We play by his rules in the church and we as believers should govern ourselves by his rules even living in this world. I don't see how it is possible to separate the two and find favor with GOD. Even the founding fathers understood that.
@ But we know that the founders were not Christian most were freemasonries
You’re exactly right. No “fine line” at all.
God forbid that COGIC is progressive!
The hypocrisy stems from the same source that it does throughout so many denominational ideologies. They read Paul’s letters, while ignoring context. This is a conversation I’m constantly having with various pastors & bishops. This archaic, misogynistic dogma is not what Paul was endorsing. Context reveals this truth. And if anyone wants to know, yes; I ordain women. If anyone has a problem with that, they’d better be highly skilled in exegesis & hermeneutics, because it’s how I’ll support my position.
@ it’s actually far more complex than that, and mainly revolves around the rudimentary English understanding of the word rendered as “silent”. From the Greek, it means something other than what most English speakers think it means. The rendering wasn’t done to intentionally mislead. The reason is that when the KJV was published, there was no 1:1 translation for every Greek word.
I think that COGIC men as well as other Christian and worldly men went kicking and scratching even in civic leadership. Even now.
Women are allowed to vote in COGIC elections. Wives of bishops, certain selected women, and supervisors are allowed to vote. Licensed men, elders and bishops can vote. It’s up to the bishop of that jurisdiction to select a lay person as a delegate.
Great content. Definitely subscribed 🙏🏿
God bless you and All that are watching ❤❤❤❤
The first preacher in the bible was a woman ordained by the risen Lord! Goggle even knows that! Paul's partner in ministry was a woman. Apostle Junia. COGIC has to know this!
I'm not a member of COGIC but I am a sister in The Lord Messiah Jesus Christ and humbly MVMY (my view my opinion) is that maybe the politics, political candidates and ideologies of the world SHOULD NOT be brought into the churches NOR preached from church pulpits by leadership. It is very sad regarding all this DIVISIVENESS amongst our spiritual leaders and many brethren. Everyone seems to NEED a big slice of HUMBLE pie. All this religiosity and pompousness is NOT GOOD! Not to mention there is no church denomination (schism) that sets the STANDARDS for the entire Body of The Christ. The Holy Scriptures📖 are CLEAR regarding church leadership and order, what should be preached, worship etc. Is there any wonder why churches are losing their influence and witness in the world🌎?
Blessings🙏🏼
We live in this world and the decisions that politics renders affects our lives and families.
@@ylparker50 , ok! But, that doesn't change my statements. Bless you🙂
@ nor mines and God bless you as well 🙏🏾
Thanks!
@@RonaldInSainety THANK YOU!
We must also interpret the scriptures correctly, before we can apply them wholly. Do you know there are 4 variations of the word "Woman" in the new testament? When Paul penned 1 Timothy 2:1 the greek term "GYNE" is used for Woman. This means Wife. This is not the term "Woman" used in Romans 1:27, where Paul states that men will leave the natural use of "Woman", the greek term "THELYS" is used, meaning female. Paul did not say in 1 Timothy, Females, He said - WIVES, for the office of Wife is more important than that of teacher or secular leader (per the bible, not present, secular society of course). Further, please note, we are in the last Days. The Holy Spirit reminds me of both Joel 2:28-32 and Acts 2:15-21 that states in the last days, God's sons AND DAUGHTERS would prophesy. God will always have a remnant stand for him, and He will have His sons AND DAUGHTERS on the Wall in these last days to teach, lead and be an example of the fires of God flames, confounding the wisdom of the wise. #LastDaysChangesErythang
@LifeandLove85 😂🤣😅🤣 I can Soon see them, exchanging looks on a stone pew 🤣😅😂🤣🤣
@@LifeandLove85 I'on know bout all that, but thank you Kindly! I love his word, and I do know the Holy Spirit will bring it back when needed and THANK GOD! 😂🤣😂
I preach and teach and I will answer to God Almighty not a man.
@@ylparker50 YOU BETTER PREACH GIRL!
@@ylparker50 Yes you will answer for your willful disobedience.
Amen
@socialfireechurch Are you going to address some of the commenter’s questions about a woman being a Pastor or a Bishop? We would love to have some clear scriptures that you know of; that has examples of this etc…
Cogic hypocrites.
Add On! It Never Said That A Woman Will Go To Hell 🔥 For Preaching The Gospel!!! 👍
Exactly!!!
So those of you who correctly state that we cannot be bishops (according to the scriptures), what about dividing the roles? How do you feel about that? What I mean is, ecumenically, Bishop Sheard is the PB, but civically, he’s the CEO on legal documents. Would men who are ok with Kamala as President, be ok with women in COGIC being the CEO, but not the Bishop?
I think this is a great conversation to have in the church. Many men in COGIC voted for Kamala, probably more voted for her then did not if we look at the numbers from the overall black community 70/30 black men Kamala/Trump
@@emellhope7031And that's so sad weather male or female to vote for this woman. 2nd to vote Democrat party that stands against everything biblically, and as a true believer of Christ. 3rd a vote for her should be based on this woman's caliber she has been proven to be time after time as being incompetent for anything she's done throughout her political career. Everything about her life has been been proven to be fake and a lie, couldn't even run her billion+ dollar campaign successfully. 20 million+ in the red now. I would feel the same way if it was a man that happened to be this stupid, ignorant, and dumb. Not to even get started on her policy's
@emellhope7031 Great question and, Great Points!!! 💯
@@socialfireechurch you stated in the video that followers of Christ shouldn't be voting under any terms of any sort. And that somebody proved it to you. Could you elaborate on that.
It's not a double standard. The world has its rules and the church have its rules. Each serve a different cause.
It two different things. Deborah rule Israel but she wasn't a bishop. Yahweh way didn't call a woman to be a bishop
I don't want to hear anymore anti-cogic stuff from you.
😂😂😂 One minute defending Wooden. The next minute criticizing the denomination that Wooden is a part of. 😂😂😂
Good solid points Rock. These 'Traditions' should be readdressed.
The Bible states who can deal Bishop no matter what you think is what the Bible says
Would be nice to see wooden address this
He has already
I wouldn't listen to and don't listen to anything that nut says...I couldn't care less what his foul self says ijs
The examples you gave in the video aren’t clear; why not do an entire Bible Study show; to address your examples specifically. No Psychology; Just Word.🙏🏿✝️
So you believe whatever the world makes law the church should agree?
Seems like you have too much time on your hands. This topic is quite a reach.
😂😂😂 You’re so right. Why are people outside of COGIC obsessed with COGIC??? 😂😂😂
The bible may give example of women in spiritual leadership in scripture. However the bible tells us our pastor, bishops are to be men 1 Timothy 3 , so if women can pastor men what is there qualifications do tell chapter n verse
You just want views and engagement at this point. Strong and wrong 😂
@@walkerma11 DUH!!! It’s a YOU TUBE channel???
No scripture to support your argument, maybe because it's clear what roles women can have in the CHURCH. The government is separate!
Carl-He’s beginning to have those “Jamal Bryant” vibes.
@@thesheepdog you mean with side chicks and babies on the side.. nowadays side dudes???🤣🤣🤣
Not so! A true follower and believer can't just separate themselves from scripture just for the sake of accepting the world's social status, or their standards. That would be considered a hypocrite are someone that's carnal and worldly. Rather than someone that's owned and brought by Christ.
@ Okay fine! WTH you didn’t run for President? You could have gone on up there to the Washington Mall, hold the Bible upside down and read to us from 2 Corinthians! I’m sure it’s all good cuz you a MAANNN!
The supporting scripture, was Judges chapter 4&5. God raised Deborah up to lead all of Israel. Israel where there was no separation if you will, of church(GOD’s chosen people) and state. Israel was God’s chosen people and He sovereignly ( did not receive counsel from man) appointed a woman to lead. She was a prophet(spiritual leadership) she was a judge and military strategist if you will (governmental leadership)
God himself was never out of order, unrighteousness or wrong. Meaning if it was wrong for a woman to lead God would not have done it. He is the same God yesterday,today and forever more. He changes not.
The point is if He did it before He can do it again. He raised a woman up to lead His people before He can raise a woman up to lead HIS people again. Not to say all women are qualified just as all men in the church are not qualified. Let’s let God be God🙏🏾
Interesting. Women can’t vote, I was not aware of that. Can’t vote, but can give money?
Sir, COGIC did not endorse Vice President Harris. Bishop Sheard endorsed her. You discussion is invalid.
@bendeloach8750 I don't know if he was one of the Black churches that got paid or not. But he definitely made the announcement publicly who he was for. And that was for the sake of influence or persuading others.
Rom. 1:32 TLB
They were fully aware of God’s death penalty for these crimes, yet they went right ahead and did them anyway and encouraged others to do them, too.
@ He made the announcement he was for her personally. COGIC did not endorse either candidate. You statement is misleading.
Cmon bruh use some common sense, it's about his intent, the purpose. He turned around and asked if anybody else was with him. By way of a (amen). If it was so personal there would have not been a need to make a public announcement. And on top of that allowed her to show up at the Assembly (church) later that week.
That's A Deep Question ❓ I Being Saying That For Awhile Now! I Know What Paul In The Bible 📖 Says! But In The List Of Sins, That God Said That Will Get You In Hell... Nowhere Does It Says, That A Woman Will Go To Hell 🔥🔥🔥 God Almighty! Already Knew That It Would Be, More Women Serving Him, Going To Church, And Witnessing To The World 🌎 Than Men!! 🤔🤔🤔 All God Is For His Holy Word 📖 Out! So Souls Can, Surrender, Seek And Serve Him!!! 🤔 Also, A Lots Of Women Are Not Ashamed, To Be A Witness For Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! 🙏🤗
I have a question? I have always thought that Debra was chosen as a judge over Israel as a judgment for disobedience. Is that correct or not? I'm here to learn.
Debra was a prophetess and a judge. The Bible doesn’t at all indicate that she was chosen as a form of punishment for Israel’s disobedience. Anyone who said that is adding to the Scriptures. Also, Debra still submitted unto the man who was in charge at the time, but he was too afraid to go up without her, an action that was actually considered dishonorable so she cautions him, “if I have to go with you, it indicates you don’t believe the word of God, so the glory will not go to you, but rather to a woman”. Notice this isn’t said to the man as though it were a good thing. 🫶🏽
@MinisterZionHAWilliams thanks for answering my question. I've wondered why people have always said that when the subject of women preaching comes up. It is very much appreciated.
@ people don’t want to admit that women are allowed to preach. That’s it. It’s their pride so they take scripture and ruin it to make their point.
I'm not a prophtess,nor,pastor,nor Bishop,I don't have a degree, but I'm a teacher,I get my teaching from fasting, praying,from Jesus Christ.I see many people talking about Deborah,After Judge Ehud had personally assassinated the wicked king of Moab, he proclaimed to Israel, “Follow me, for the Lord has delivered your enemies the Moabites into your hand”. Under his courageous leadership Israel’s army killed about 10,000 Moabites. As a result Israel enjoyed 80 years of rest (see Judges 3). But sadly, Judges chapter 4 reveals how after Ehud died, the children of Israel began to follow after false gods. So God gave them over to Jabin, King of Canaan, who harshly oppressed them for twenty years. This was not the first time that Israel would rebel against God after their godly leader died. And unfortunately, it would not be the last. Deborah judged and led Israel for 60 years, the nation,A judge, prophetess,singer,military leader,God gave her the authority
many times in Scripture God shows up when His people cry out for help. In this case, Israel was paralyzed by fear of Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army who boasted 900 iron chariots. So, God rose up an unlikely judge, prophetess and hero of the faith a woman named Deborah.She was married but also obeyed God,Deborah delivered God’s message to Barak to take 10,000 men to battle against Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army who all Israel was afraid of Sisera. Deborah’s prophecy continued, “And God
will deliver him into your hand” (Judges 4:7) but the one you fear the most Sisera will be into the hand of a woman”,why would God before grace and mercy Jesus died appoint a woman to be over all Israel even the men, because he knew this time was going.(Gal.3:28)There's male nor female for we are all one in Christ-in the eyes of God, men and women are equally valuable and have an equal chance of salvation. It also calls for unity and harmony among the church which is us the body of Christ, and for treating each other as brothers and sisters.Prisca and Aquila were husband and wife who worked together,Paul also talked about,Romans 16:3-4)(Acts 18:26)Priscilla and Aquila were a first-century Christian missionary married couple described in the New Testament. Aquila is traditionally listed among the Seventy Disciples. They lived, worked, and traveled with the Apostle Paul, who described them as his fellow workers in Christ Jesus.And the scripture everybody use about a bishop of one wife, well keep reading it also say the deacon should be the husband of one wife why do the churches have deaconess,1Tmothy 3:2-12)Also the scripture many teach, women should be silent in the church and not to usurp authority over men,1 Timothy 2:12 and 1 Corins, 14:34) remember Paul was teaching to Gentiles,Jews ect,some still had customs under the law that wasn't a sin such as separating men on one side women on the other or covering your head with hats, clearly the Bible say,1 Corns, 11:1-16 read down to the 16 verse But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.if women should keep silence in church sit your wife down, the church mother, your mother,your grandmother, sisters,all the women's,if a woman want to asked anything asked her husband well what if she's not married, read the scriptures with an understanding from Jesus.don't change the Bible,What does Usurp means,take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force.So if people are being saved, filled with Jesus Holy Ghost for real not faking, getting healed through you by the power of the Holy Ghost,that person is live according to Jesus word, and they come before Jesus you think he will say depart from me cause you use the name Bishop,pastor (A women) nope he will say well done thy good and faithful servant, not pastor, not bishop servant.People care about tiles Jesus don't he care about souls,But don't get me wrong I don't like hollering, getting a tune, kicking your legs up,hooping,woman or man.Don't partake of another man or woman evil doings, or to agree with them saying it's ok, Oh by the way when I was born 75 years ago I was born to COGIC parents,
Dear God! This is 2 weeks of Bible Study. Please make finer points with less information so as to not lose anyone.
@ I don’t mean to offend anyone but just the teaching in me someone might want answers the word of Jesus is not meant to have Bible study just truth I apologize if it offends you but I don’t for Gods word
@ This is an interactive group chat. You gotta find a way to teach us without taking us to school. At this point some of the responses are twice as long as the commentary. Young people aren’t going to stay that long!
@ I teach young people maybe they don’t want to hear or read on here again I apologize and won’t commit on here again I don’t want to offend anybody
@@susizettcolbert2394 No please don’t stop commenting. I’m not trying to lose any followers for anyone. Just maybe 2 paragraphs instead of 10. Think less short story and more bill board.
Unfortunately my friend you are biblically wrong!!!
Matthew 16:18-19, 1Timothy 2: 12. This is about the order of Authority given by GOD through the Apostles to govern the Church. As for Deborah she never exercise Authority over Israel as much as she spoke to Israel according to GOD'S will. Even Deborah submitted herself to the authority of the men. She submitted to the Authority of the men in leadership. Please refer to how Deborah acted in submission and humility.
Correct!! Consider this if Barack hadn't gone would Dedorah still have gone without him?
@@LifeandLove85 Did ancient Greeks have a single word for both “woman” and “wife”?”
The ancient Greek (Attic) word for woman was γυνή which had other forms in different dialects such as γυνά, the accusative form γυναίκα became the common form in modern Greek. It is a cognate to the English word “queen” both of which come from Proto-Indo-European.
Now “gynē” (γυνή) means woman but can also mean “wife” an parallels the use of ἀνήρ “man” (whose accusative form ἄνδρα survives in modern Greek as άνδρας/άντρας) also means husband. But the use of man/woman to mean also husband/wife is not unique in Greek.
However Greek also has the word σύζυγος sýzygos which literally means “co-yoked” and has been used since Ancient Greek through today to mean “spouse” and as a noun of common gender means “wife” or “husband” depending if the article ἡ or ὀ is used.
Therefore with your principal man and husband can be interchangeable also.
@ Gyne is an interesting word. If you re-read 1 Timothy 2 with the words wife and husband, it gives a whole different message. Paul was friends with a woman named Lydia who had a church in her home. He also greeted Junia who he called an Apostle. Surely, if he had a problem with what they were doing, he would have rebuked them instead of greeting.
@ Yes. I explained that the words husband and man were interchangeable also.
It is that biblical that a woman can be a Bishop. Nowhere in the Bible can anyone show that a woman was preaching at any given time? You keep using Deborah deborah was a judge, not a preacher. Pasta genogenings have already explain why women. Are not to be teachers and preachers in the church. I think you should call him to your show and have this open debate. He'd be more than willing to come and explain to you the scriptures. I do not agree that women cannot vote in the church. They should be allowed to vote on leadership.
Oh for got the scriptures Romans 13:1-7 For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God that;s for the the people who break the law not for righteous because we are going to obey the law except if the law forbid us to worship,praise,pray,live holy (1 Timothy 1:7-13 please read whole chapter not just one verse then you will understand,God's law is different from the church law.The church law should be Holy according to Jesus word
And I'm not surprised they didn't vote Bishop wooden in because Bishop will point his finger at them and say you would not do this up under my leadership you got to go
Yes, women for president but not for the pulpit
@@erichall465 What a way to speak life into all the women and girls you know….real good fix you a plate and run you some bath water cuz that’s all you are good for!🤬
Maybe that’s one reason why there hasn’t been a WOMAN to lead the nation …?! What is the martial qualifications for a pastor or bishop ? According to scripture? ……………………….stay in the book bruh
Man of God I love you but you will have a hard time proving that the verses in 1st Timothy 3 (specifically these verses!) allow for women to become Bishops in the Lord’s church without twisting scripture and making it contradict itself. It is clear when Paul writes this (under inspiration of the Holy Ghost) that he explicitly intends that only men become Bishops.
The Bible doesn’t prevent women from being in leadership (that’s a very broad term you used repeatedly in the clip) but Paul deals specifically with the office of the Bishop and it doesn’t apply to women.
Furthermore, it is hypocritical on a lot of levels for Bishop Sheard or any Bible believing pastor to endorse VP Harris who has blatantly and publicly shown herself to be an anti Christian candidate. Lastly, the Church (and I’m sure you would agree with this at least) should not take its cues from the world regarding how we are to operate. So what the world elects women for top leadership, that should not be the reason that the Church does, but rather what the Bible teaches and allows should be the only standard.
The Bible teaches women can operate in various forms of leadership in the Church, but respectfully (and at the risk of yall cursing me out in the comments) being Bishop isn’t one of them. (Side note: I’m pretty sure women are allowed to vote in the General Assembly of the COGIC since my First Lady and our Church Evangelist both indicated to me who they would be voting for in this years election).
I do notice that COGIC licenses women as Evangelistic Missionaries and Evangelists though. They also allow certain women to pastor who have had a male relative who served as pastor to die. So if some women can pastor in COGIC, they should let all women do it.
Great thinking!
Can women Lead the World and Church? Yes. Does the Bible agree? No. This was the entire issue with her being elected. Evangelicals couldn’t see themselves being Lead by a Woman, even though she was the best “Man” for the job.
@Grwm.Arielle how about her just being totally incompetent with everything that she does!
@ Get yourself back on the boat. Kamala is a boss in every way. I notice that the people that criticize her the most just barely graduated high school. No more comments about Kamala because imma about to curse yall out on this here Christian channel!
Your comment and and reply just explained why God told eve that Adam shall have rule over her. After telling her that twice because she didn't want to except it or hear it. It's your nature. Argue all you want facts speaks for its self.
You talk about just deboer but how about the New testament teaching of Paul you have to compare scripture with scripture secular teaching is different from spiritual teaching how about what Paul says about the bishop and helders should be the husband of one wife you are biased in your discussion
You are funny smh how can you compare the church with the world smh the Bible says a bishop shall be the husband of one wife you don’t know your bible boy
Women holding positions in the world is one's opinion but women preachers and exercising authority over men in the church is forbidden in scripture. Opinions don't matter.
No it’s not, that scripture has been taken out of context.
@@ylparker50Absolutely not! That's God's divine order of rank and authority( 1 Cor 11:3). Remember, Adam was first and the woman was from him.
Sir you are anti-cogic.
You on the church’s head
I'm a COGIC ordained Elder in and I would support a woman as a bishop as does the Episcopalian, United Methodist and other denominations....COGIC is antiquated and as a result, many people are leaving the denomination, I've seen it in my own jurisdiction with churches closing their doors 🤷🏾♂️
Yahweh didn't call a woman to be a bishop. You can't kick against the word.
Terrell-You don’t stand for God,you love the world.
@@thesheepdog You sound just like the white folks who didn't want integration and wanted things to remain segregated...sad just sad.
@@hitman9723 You mean someone can't go against your Interpretation of the Word.
The Episcopalians and United Methodists now fully endorse sinful lifestyles.
BIBLE says what it says can't reverse that, GOD didn't call any women to lead a group of men, Deborah is a bad example, don't know about leading in fighting, but when a man puts himself under the authority of a woman, they would have to answer to GOD
Rock Leach Sr-Paul is clear in scripture.Women are not to lead men in the church.I was an admirer of your channel,and I was going to become a subscriber.I believe that you are a cultural Christian,who cares more for the world,than God’s word.This is the last video of yours that I’ll view.
Matthew 16:18-19, 1Timothy 2: 12. This is about the order of Authority given by GOD through the Apostles to govern the Church. As for Deborah she never exercise Authority over Israel as much as she spoke to Israel according to GOD'S will. Even Deborah submitted herself to the authority of the men. She submitted to the Authority of the men in leadership. Please refer to how Deborah acted in submission and humility.