I also prefer the original BSG just because it was fun and had great stories which captured my attention as a kid. The Cylons were menacing and it was a desperate journey to find Earth before the fleet was obliterated by overwhelming odds. The reboot was more philosophical in that it pushed how time is cyclical and the actions of mankind are going to repeat until there is real change. How the Cylons, built to serve man, were the catalyst of it's destruction but also essential to its evolution. But it was moody and dark and less attractive to someone wanting the magic of the original series. My BSG is also still the original.
Sure, I agree with what you mention around the philosophy of the reboot. My issues are that these concepts got lost pretty quickly as the plot started to get ridiculous!
@@kevincrady2831this was a combination of costs and relatability. Moore found the fake words like frack and centon campy. So they used what they had and trusted the story to suspend disbelief. Cost control is a big issue so that was defendable. My circle of friends only cared about the SFX so they didn't think it was a big deal.
@@M167A1 I guess it worked well enough that the series was successful and has a fandom. But it seems like a strong case of cultural narcissism to me. "The audience can only relate to these people if they're Americans circa 2004. Even the evil robots are Americans" (e.g. the lady in the red dress and the other "infiltrator" Cylons). To me, it's like trying to watch a show set in the Tokogawa Shogunate, but they're all going around in jeans and Yankees ball caps in order to save money on costumes. It couldn't have been _that_ hard, or expensive to at least buy clothes with more uncommon cuts and styles rather than just going with suits and ties and other things we see on the street every day. Other sci-fi/fantasy/historical etc. shows do it all the time. But if they wanted to have the show be about Americans for the sake of relatability and so they didn't have to have a costuming department, they could have just included some narrative element to make it make sense. Like, say the Colonies were actually American colonies, but they lost contact with Earth and the USA centuries ago, but clung to what they still had of American culture, preserving it through the centuries like the ancient Egyptians or Chinese did with their cultures. Then, instead of arriving at Earth in the distant past, they reach a post-apocalyptic Earth of the distant future that's regressed to the Stone Age.
The idea that alien machines turned against mankind (as opposed to man-made machines turning against mankind) seemed a much more unique idea to me. I also loved the special effects for the laser pistols: A bright flash of white light at the barrel, accompanied with great sound effects, and something exploding down-range in a shower of sparks (no laser light beam connecting the two events). Brilliant. As to the reboot, it was okay as a stand-alone show...but it was most definitely not Battlestar Galactica.
I preferred the original because of the camera work. It didn't have all the herky jerk motion like in the reboot, using hand held cameras. That just gives me a head ache .
It's such a shame the original BSG sequel never got made. I still get chills listening to Richard Hatch's Apollo declare "We will take back our sacred homelands!"
For me, I can break it down to the original BSG showed the best of what humanity could be and deserved to survive. The reboot gave us none of that. I watched the reboot and never once cared if any of these narcissistic characters survived or not. I saw the original movie in the theatre in 1978 and the TV series. The development of the main characters was paramount and the stories built around them. The reboot completely bypasses what made it great in the first place.
Right on, classic BSG is far superior! I totally agree with all your reasons. Plus the reboot got lazy, they copied tons of the original's concepts but couldn't even get the names of triad and pyramid right.
When I was a kid come to think of it I enjoyed both Star Wars or Battle Star Galactica...I enjoyed both for creativity of the story lines.. I enjoyed the costumes, and the characters, and the entertainment, and it helped with children's imagination about flying in outer space with spaceships and battling the bad guys who hunted you down
I disliked the reboot so much I could not watch more than a few episodes. I still haven't seen many episodes. It's been years but here's my list from memory: 1. Almost all main characters were unlikeable. 2. What's the point of having a show about killer robots, then making the killer robots look just like humans??? 3. Wardrobe and prop elements looked like they were off the shelf at Walmart...business suits, clocks, etc. How is this possible in a civilization light years from Earth? 4. The big battle scene in the opening episode, just before the epic space war is about to begin...exciting! exciting! Wait, the enemy can flip a switch disabling all the good-guys' ships???!!!???!!! ARRRRRG! 5. Vipers shoot machine guns? I can still hear Lorne Green's voice: "The last battlestar, Galactica, leads a rag-tag fugitive fleet on a lonely quest: a shining planet, known...as Earth!"
It's also frakking annoying how grossly overrated the Reimagined 'Galactica' is compared to the One and Only Battlestar Galactica! Likewise, I do still get peeved how people and sites dismiss Galactica as a Star Wars ripoff!?! No it frakking wasn't! 👎🤬😤 However, it's the Reimagined 'Galactica'that IS the derivative ripoff: Space Above and Beyond, The Terminator, Blade Runner and the androids and fembots of The Six Million Dollar Man and The Bionic Woman! But no one ever calls out Reimagined 'Galactica' on that! 🤔🤷♂️
No one ever calls out the reimagined Galactica on anything, until I posted this video I had never met anyone other than me who preferred the original! Great points, thanks for watching!!
I agree. I couldn't watch it, either. One of the main things that annoyed me is that the new Battlestar Galactica vessel was a slap in the face to the original ship. A flagship Battlestar more than a nautical mile in length in the original series replaced by a smallish, outdated relic with one functioning landing bay put me off instantly.
I totally agree with you. Nothing is better than the original. They are way ahead in many different things. The reboot was just a horrible remake that ruined the original story. But I know for the younger generation. They would like the reboot. I always suggest to them to open their minds and watch the original then they could see the big differences between the 2 shows.
Totally agree! Although not just the younger generation, I know plenty of folks my age (mid 40s) who prefer the reboot and herald it as the pinnacle of sci fi.
My mother had a good friend whose son was an actor and when I was very young he took us on a tour of Universal Studios. At the time they were shooting BSG and as a part of the tour I was able to walk the bridge of the Galactica, sit in the cockpit of a colonial viper, hold a colonial laser, and I met a Cylon warrior. I'd like to taka a moment to thank Marvin McCintyre (Silverado, The Running Man, Back to the Future III, as well as others) for making a small boy's dream come true. Even now at 55 the original BSG holds a special place in my heart and those memories are priceless.
Two different and separate shows entirely. One says “let’s make a fun and exciting show about a space-bound tribe of humans who flee evil robots while they search for their lost tribe on Earth.” The other says “cool - now what if that really happened in real life and what would that look like?” And I’m fine with that. The biggest problem with the reboot, though, is that it was just like Lost, in that it began with a great premise and then meandered all over the place creating plot threads that couldn’t be solved in the end with actual science-fiction. Both the reboot and Lost took the “because God” approach to wrap up all the loose ends in their attempts to bring all of the disparate plot elements together for their respective finales. At least the original series had a strong mythology and lore to give it some direction. Oh, and I also like the original show’s music better than the reboot. That classic BSG theme never gets old. 👍
Thanks! Completely agree with your points! I I was also a huge Lost fan and felt let down by the ending for the reasons you mention. Thanks for watching!
The Remake was hardly more 'realistic' than the original. The only thing that gives it that illusion is the better special effects. The characters are PARODIES of real people. There is so much Grimdark Angst, they would have obliterated themselves, to say nothing of the Cylon (non) plan. But even if the Cylons had had a plan, they didn't need it. They had penetrated the human survivors to such an enormous degree they could have destroyed humanity before the miniseries STARTED. 'Realistic'? Not hardly. Starship Maybelline survived in the remake, just as it did in the original. But the original didn't pretend that wasn't the case. The Remake would have appealed to me as a Teenager, back when slick special effects, sexy chicks in red dresses & Grimdark presentation could baffle my young mind.
@@torikazuki8701 Yeah I agree, it was just more miserable. I didn't really care if any of the characters in the remake survived, none of them were likeable. I just didn't like the dark, miserable tone of it.
I don't think your opinion is in the minority, I know MANY - MANY people who do NOT like the rebooted series & me being one of them. I do have a massive appreciation for Edward James Olmos, as his role of Comnander/Admiral Adama is the ONLY reason I watched the entire series. I really didn't enjoy the Gender Changes to most of the main characters, the plots from week to week were rediculous, and to the most stupid aspect that almost everyone appears to be a cylon hybrid. Then to add insult to injury, the final episode was tasteless and frankly a Cop Out for an opportunity to at least be interesting and a redeming event.
I’m getting a great response from this video so I’m definitely leaning towards agreeing with you. Unfortunately the critical reception, many reviews lists and ratings on websites etc. all promote the superiority of the reboot.
OGBSG had fantastic actors like Jane Seymour, John Colicos , Fred Astaire, Lloyd Bridges, Patrick McKee, Ray Miland , Anne Lockhart and the voice of Johnathon Harris. Enough said.
You’re right. So many things about it made no sense to me. I think the writers were just going for what is cool without thinking through the consequences of their decisions.
I completely agree. The original had noble characters in a terrible situation that rose to the occasion. The new series was just a downer. Characters that were almost all self-centered and somewhat trashy to be honest.
Starbuck was an insufferable narcissist in the remake. The OG Starbuck was cool. Yeah, he was a bit sexist, but he always rose to the occasion when needed and besides, the girls usually got even with him for being a Chad.
I think you've covered most of why original BSG is superior. The Reboot is feldercarb! And all of us die hard fans of the original series got frakked when there was already a faithful continuation of the original series that began production in the early 2000's. Universal in a completely dishonorable move halted the production and those fellows Moore and Eick swooped in and seized the opportunity to replace it with the reboot rubbish! One of the things I agree with the most is about the reboot characters. What a bunch of miserable dysfunctional people! How could anybody stand watching them!? The original series had very likable characters. And the onscreen chemistry between them was amazing. And I'll add that the original has a definite fun factor. And the original also had great moments of humor too. But alas, apparently today's audience would rather watch miserable, violent soap opera crap. Original BSG has always had a great fan base. If only somebody would honor it again instead.
You could not have described it better! 😇😎👏👍 The 'reimagined' reboot was a complete mistake! Ron Moore should have done something else entirely different (much like how Disney Star Wars took so many wrong turns!). And I do still get peeved when the so-called 'reboot' gets all the love, praise and accolades that Battlestar Galactica 1978 (the One and Only!) never got! 🤬👎Likewise I get pretty miffed how people still assume Galactica is a Star Wars ripoff! 😤 Total BS! I'm a Star Wars fan and they are different - like comparing apples and oranges! 🍏🍊🤷♂️ - and that was another big mistake: Lucas and Fox's lawsuit, in addition to the cancellation,, mean-spirited felgergarb! ☹️ Battlestar Galactica deserves so much better! 😇🙏🌟👍👏
In addition to my earlier comment, it's interesting (and frakking annoying!) to notice how many triggered Reimagined fans(GINOids?) there are that troll the comments section on Classic Galactica Facebook groups! 🤔🙄🤷♂️ Why can't they just frak off to Reimagined pages and leave us Original Galactica fans and the Original Galactica forums alone!? Cut from the same cloth (and even inspirational to!) as the toxic Disney SW Sequel/TLJ//Reylo fans! 🙄😤😠🤬👎
I love the original Battlestar Galactica, when they did the so called reboot it was a kick in the guts to the original fans and all the other people who kept the interest in the show alive. From what I got from the reboot was that the humans created the Cylons and abandoned them when they were no longer needed, which makes the humans the bad guys where as in the original they were the good guys, Sea Quest and Space Above and Beyond both had a group of beings they created and then abandoned, so the reboot did nothing new there. Changing some of the main characters from male to female was totally nuts. One thing you did miss was the connection to the ancient astronaut theory that a lot of people believe and the connection to the Egyptians. Great video, Cheers.
@@leniere309 it’s a shame they have the need to reinvent the whole thing. I wish MR. Larson was still around can you imagine buck Rogers in the 25th Century and Battlestar Galactica crossover since he owns both👍🏻
Unfortunately, that is why I enjoyed the RDM remake more. Better fleshed out characters, better SFX, more diversity, as well as keeping the spirit of the original.
I may mention this in my post but at the time the studio pushed Larson to get Battlestar out. I believe he wanted another year to develop his show. The studio wanted to cash in on the Star Wars crazy.
As a woman, I didn't like the new BSG's underlying subtext that promotes distrust between the sexes, making the men weak to make the women characters stronger (unnecessary), making women the main villains - I've also noticed there's a weird new trend where torture scenes are OK as long as the torturer is female - seen that in Star Trek Discovery & as far back as the series ROME. Hollywood really seems to be going out of its way to ruin beloved classic sci-fi/fantasy sagas by turning them into dark, dreary, dispiriting, hero-killing *_crap._*
It's called woke. The objective is "promotes distrust between the sexes" as you so perfectly realized. They did the same with StarGate Atlantis roughly at the same time. Every single well established IP(intellectual property) is going to be bought and used as a medium for this kind of activism. It has nothing to do with entertainment, art, story telling and even money. It has all to do with creating conflict between the people and confusion at all levels in society. The term "from the 2 fighters, the third one wins" is being applied here. People are too busy fighting on things they are paying for. Too busy fighting for words they can say or may not say. Too busy fighting for childhood IP to have a proper remake for their own children to watch. To busy fighting for fairness in politics(no favoritism to any sex) THEN they have no time or mind(unity) left to fight for real important things like the outrage that should have people marching in the streets for those that want to privatize the internet every year. Every year they try and get rejected because no one wants the last free speech medium to be silenced too. They think that if there is just enough confusion and division they will eventually succeed and they might be right. Where is the outrage for the attempt of trying to attack free speech?
I too prefer the original. Its production design, costumes and sets were far superior to the remake. Stu Phillips' score was also superior. The cast was far more likeable too. The original did get political at times, and its politics were terrible, a sort of dumb anti-Trek, but let's just gloss over that, shall we? It's also that I really disliked the remake. All of the characters, without exception, were detestable. I wanted to flush the lot of them out of one of those roller coaster track launch tubes. I'd like to have jettisoned Starbuck 2 twice. The fake profundity of the religious angle was terribly annoying as well. One's monotheistic, the other's polytheistic. So what? Robots among us? That is old, old hat.
But I feel it was overused to the point of distraction. It's really a hand held technique that supposedly represents reality better, (although my world doesn't shake like that), but as with all techniques if you over use it , it can become distracting and frankly cliche. I remember when the Bourne movies came out and I could hardly follow all the movement on those. It was too much and seemed to me like they were trying to hide a lack of technique in the fight skills by shaking the camera and fast editing. Anyway, at least for me it didn't work for either of those two properties. lol, but maybe it's a generational thing! Or maybe we just have better taste! @@MiserableMovieMan
How could they get steady camera footage from the first world war but not in space with future tech. Just an excuse to run cover fire for shitty special effects
Glad I not alone on that. That was why I stopped watching it at the beginning. It was like trying to look at a picture that someone kept moving about in front of you. It just gave me a headache.
I totally agree with everything you said. The entire series of the reboot couldn’t match the greatness of the Living Legend episode from the original. And I think the original Battlestars look better.
Totally agree! The 3 hour "Saga of a Starworld" pilot episode is my favorite from the original series. The original BSG doesn't get the credit and respect it deserves. The original had themes drawn from various ancient mythology and cultures, from the Egyptian themed colonial viper helmets to Roman inspired look of the evil Cylon Centurions etc. The new BSG series had very little of that rich world building and seemed like just another man VS man-made machine theme, which has been done to death. I also found the new BSG quite pretentious and boring. I lost interest after about 3 episodes.
One my biggest complaints and I know it's stupid was the outfit. Suits and ties in a culture that was completely cutoff from ours? At least in the original they made an attempt to make the outfit look alien. Look at Earth. Here in the USA we wear suits and ties but the middle east do not. Germany has their traditional garb and in Scotland the kilt is worn. (And comfortable) Even in the USA you will see different Trible outfit From the Senecas to the Cherokees (Sorry not sorry to those who want all "Indians" to look the same. You could do a long post on the different customs of the tribes)
Not a stupid complaint, totally valid! I forgot to mention it in the video. Lazy writing if you ask me. Plus the guns and vehicles were the same as ours! Very distracting and ruined my suspension of disbelief!
@@MiserableMovieMan Thank you for the repones... As an old struggling writer, I enjoy watching videos like yours. You don't just complin about a story, you explain why you don't like it and suggests how it could be made better. Listening to people like Doomcock and Nerodict has helped me a lot. I got a lot of nice feedback on my first book. Both good feedback and bad. Even the comments pointing out what was bad helped. If Hollywood would listen to all of you reviewers and us nonprofessional we could hopefully start seeing tales like we use to have when we were younger. Once more thank you for the time you take to do these videos and your thoughts on ways, they can be improved.
The OG had a lot more viewers… we’re talking about a consistently top-15 show in 1978 when there were only three US TV networks, as opposed to a 21st-century show on a niche cable channel.
Sure. It’s a real shame it got cancelled, the viewing numbers were great as you say. Just the budget started to get too much for the studio. We can only wonder what it would have been like if it continued.
Actually with streaming massive and a massive international audience, the reboot eventually got more viewership than the original could ever dream of. Plus 3 more seasons and DVDs....
The network sabotaged the show by insisting it be a weekly series instead of Larsen’s idea of a series of TV movies, which would have been the appropriate format for a space epic (as opposed to a sitcom or cop show). It would have also been cheaper because there would have been fewer episodes to produce, and the quality would have been better (the two-parters are the superior episodes). When it inevitably underperformed in the weekly format the network then canceled it. Then as now, the AMTPT members only know how to lose money, instead of nurturing quality and original programming.
@@majorneptunejr True,but then there was the movie with sensurround sound too...which came out the same time frame. So it was probably the first TV show to be shown in both platforms in the same year.
At 53, I long ago took off my nostalgia glasses. Most of the stuff I grew up with was trash. But those things that weren't have withstood the test of time and only grown. I started reading 'Lord of the Rings' and watching 'Knight Rider' at about the same time. LOTR has only become more impactful and relevant, while 'Knight Rider' is absolutely unwatchable. Thankfully BSG '78 is closer to the former.
@@torikazuki8701 Original BSG and Knight Rider were both created by Glen A. Larson, and both had Cylon style red lights going back and forth while a very similar sound played, Lol.
You are correct the original BSG was fantastic great characters great design great effects the reboot had great battles bland characters and got way too religious
The original is so much better. One of my biggest complaints about the new BSG is that everyone hates everyone from the start. Characters that should be good are immediately plotting to kill anyone they don't like. THAT GUY wants to be President? Let's kill him. There was plenty of drama between characters on the original, but they never even thought about doing stuff like that. And the whole thing with Adama just outright lying and saying he knew where Earth was...ugh. Then following it up with a phrase I still hate today, "So say we all." Sorry Adolf, I'm not putting my hand up. I have the original on dvd, in the big box shaped like a cylon head. I borrowed a friend's seasons of new BSG to watch. Only about half of it was worth watching. I honestly don't even remember all of it. Too many Lost style plot points that went nowhere and added nothing. I will make one point though. I don't blame actors for bad shows. (not that you were) I blame the writers who wrote bad scripts, and I blame the directors who read those scripts and said, "Nah, it'll be fine." Actors just get stuck with whatever they're given and do the best with it they can.
Great points! I also have the boxed set with the Cylon head. IIRC Edward James Olmos came up with that catchphrase himself and they liked it so much they kept it in. I think TV execs were keen for a gritty violent psychopathic sci fi show to pull in the ratings unfortunately.
As an American who grew up in the 70s and saw Battlestar Galactica in a drive-in theater (that later became the first three episodes of the TV series), I have to agree 100% with you. OG Battlestar Galactica!
Well, the 5th reason says it all. The reboot does not show another, different and more advanced civilization but just took 21st century western civilization people and gave them ftl spaceships. THAT IS NOT SciFi, and that is ridiculous. Also, in the reboot they were fighting with bullets and guns. And they had 21st century jeeps. And they said that was realistic. Yes, it is as realistic as seeing 2 F-16's in a dogfight throwing arrows (or even stones) to each other. Yeah, the 20th century firearms are the epitome of the weaponry, we are going to be using them for the next 10000 years
Also, people from alien planets light-years away will wear suits and ties, and clothes from The Gap and use telephones with cords. If I want to watch a show about a wandering American military force, I'll watch _The Last Ship._
OG's Music Score is miles better hands down. Totally Majestic and really ties you into the action, especially when that opening Narration with Patrick NacNee is being played. The reboot like a lot of contemporary scores is unmemorable
I agree. I bought one track from the reboot soundtracks, and that was Colonial Anthem, which is a beautiful redo of the Stu Phillips theme. m.th-cam.com/video/AAk0hEVGgMY/w-d-xo.html
To be fair, some of the reboot's music was awesome - eg: "Prelude to War" from season 2. But I would completely agree with all the points raised in this video
The original was the best and the only Battlestar Galactica for me. I even liked Boxey and Muffit. People say it was boring how they used the special effects over and over, but they didn’t have the budget or time to make new special effects like they do now. They didn’t have computers like they have now, with software that kids could easily do better special effects then they had in The Original Battlestar Galactica. Glen Larson, and George Lucas they had to create all the special effects using what they could get there hands on, remember what computers could do back in the day and how they were very limited it there abilities. BSG even worked out how to do a robotic dog using a chimp in a suit just like Kenny Baker in R2-D2 Next is the lore, Star Wars had theres, OG BSG had theres, that new BSG did they set off from our own planet earth. It was too earthy, it didn’t feel like it was about a different part of the galaxy. I was reading a article how speech changed through the ages, and how everyday words could have been different from what we know now. What they didn’t keep Larson’s idea’s because people might not understand what triad was. When watching the movie the first time, I quickly caught the idea of what all the new words meant. As for whose idea was whose, BSG and Star Wars, many movies today are even more similar than these two were.
Yep, the practical nature of things back then was pretty challenging but they pulled off some great results! You are right, the new BSG felt way too much like Earth with clothes and vehicles and the original feels like a totally different take on things but still recognizable as being somehow related to us.
I think the biggest difference between the two shows to me and the biggest reason I prefer the original BSG is that the new one is a period piece - it's designed and best consumed within the context of its time of creation and the social issues of that time. The original, much like Star Trek's Original Series, is more timeless and generically approachable without needing that period context. That's not even getting into the way everything "modern" has to be gritty, dark, and grim, and can't just be fun anymore while still tackling serious issues.
You are spot on! I didn’t mention the context of the period but it definitely was a huge influencing factor. That said it’s disappointing that execs think only dark and gritty sells.
The OG series handled the aspect of its spirituality better, too, imo. There was always a sense of ancient lore and gods with the reverence given to the Lords of Kobol, the ancient pyramids they found on Kobol, the general sense of wonder that the characters, especially Adama, had for their history; and even the "light aliens" and Count Iblis seemed to fit in more seemlessly (not perfectly, but enough not to question them) because of that. The reboot started off as more hard sci-fi, and then went into left field with that stupid "God's Divine Plan" crap. And it made the ending and, especially the epilogue, just clumsy and nonsensical. It conflicted with so much more than was going on in the series.
Gaius Baltar was a wet rag! Baltar, as portrayed by John Colicos was perfectly and deliberately over the top narcissistic, egomaniacal and treacherous - further enhanced by the Odd Couple-style dichotomy between him and Lucifer. 👏👍 The so-called Reimagined version was a big mistake! I don't care what the GINOids say, Ron Moore and Syfy should have made an entirely different and original IP altogether, and just leave the door open for a bonafide continuation of the One and Only Battlestar Galactica to continue! May the Lords of Kobol bless your channel. 💯😎💪👏👍
I like the fact that in the OG BSG, the Council of Twelve were just Twelve people, not the House of Representatives. The Galactica was the flagship of the fleet. Lasers instead of standard style firearms, which make sense. There were some things I did like with the new one, the Cylons, lijed both versions of the Centurians, except that the new ones never talked. I also grew up seeing the OG BSG. I also miss seeing the Egyptian styled flight helmets. I was also told by my mim I could use Frack and Feldercarb, though got talked to by a teacher in elementary school for say Frack since it resembled the actual expletive.
But it doesn't there's democracy in a survival situation. Twelve power of power makes way more sense. If you've ever been in a ton of 45,000 people it was just absurd how many career journalists and career politicians there was. A small town isn't devoted that much to a political structure. It made no sense that there were multiple powerful people. The original did that so much better. The Nu BSG is highly overrated when it came to anything romance or politics related.
I totally agree, in fact, the depth of the story is much greater in Glen A. Larson's vision. The reboot is simply a bastardization of everything he did. From the characters, to those who in the reboot leave like a bunch of psychopaths each one more damaged than ever, they would have passed the minimum psychotechnical tests to be left with a weapon, let alone a battlestar. And although it is not minor, the original Galactica has an aspect of majesty and poise that the reboot couldn't achieve in ten lifetimes. And seeing the vehicles and weapons, literally many of them being exactly the ones that were in service in the armies, makes that reboot even more pathetic. And the story they propose at the beginning is nowhere to be taken, it is a black hole of inconsistencies that swallows any sense that could have arrived. The reboot for me is just a waste of resources. And a real insult to what Glen A. Larson did in Galactica and even to his memory.
This was a very enjoyable commentary. It's actually less "reboot BSG is bad" and more a big scoop of "original BSG had some awesome elements"....with which I absolutely agree! "Original BSG" left a proud legacy of incredible creativity, fascinating and diverse characters, interesting and occasionally "big issues" themed plots, majestic theme music, cool designs including the Cylons themselves, and so on. The critiques offered of "reboot BSG", are mostly more an aesthetic dislike of its tortured characters, darker themes, grimmer outlook. That said, even big "reboot BSG" fans like me will agree with Miserable Move Man that "reboot BSG" sometimes got bogged down by its dense plot complexity, and in the climactic episodes, some dismayingly flimsy and questionable resolutions to its plot mysteries.
Awesome critique, thank you! I saw the original BSG in the theater in Canada when it came out, and loved it. I didn't realize there had been a TV show until 2007, when I watched the original BSG TV series online. I loved everything about that series too! I watched the BSG reboot as a marathon on SiFi TV during the pandemic, and rewatched it 3-4 times. Since then I've watched OG BSG again, and it's still one of my favorite all-time sci-fi series. BSG reboot fit into the pandemic for its darkness & the dark nature of the times. Initially I was always looking for comparisons, but the original key characters were so disappointing in the reboot, and the story so mixed up with convoluted ideas, that I have to look at it as a completely separate storyline, rather than a reboot.
One thing I found problematic with the reboot was that the characters spent a lot of time fighting each other for power as if they were fighting for real worthwhile power in the now-destroyed 12 colonies. In other words, they were spending all the energy fighting over scraps as if it really mattered, when it really didn't, instead of pulling together to solve their problems.
But that's human. I read once a sign of good writing is when you get mad at the characters for doing something stupid, instead of the author for making the characters do something stupid. Power struggles are human. Especially in a situation where your home system gets irradiated, people want to feel some semblance of control over a situation where they have none. It's believable. It's human. Get it.... human... cause Cylon vs human.... :D
Agreed on all your comments, I tried to give the reboot a viewing but couldn’t get into it, I have both dvd and Blu-ray of OGBSG and like those the best, I watched this when it was first airs on Sunday nights. Thought it was the best thing on tv
I love, love, love the original.❤ The new show ticked me off. I just started watching the original a few days ago. The OG had morals and optimism. Forget the new show. 🤬
The BSG reboot first two seasons were great but after that they were trying to integrate some bizarre ideas and themes that retracted from the actual plot of the series. It was okay to go in different direction with the story but they going too far in some places with the themes. The original series they kept it more simple and sometimes that works best. Unfortunately, the original series only had one good season and the 80s BSG wasn't that good IMO.
Yeah, season 2 of OG BSG was pretty terrible. I thought there was a lot of promise and suspense in Season 1 of the reboot but as the plots became nonsensical and the characters got fleshed out to the point I was despising all the humans, I really think they dropped the ball.
Agree! Also, I'm sick of Science fiction films insulting women by calling them, "Sir." I served in the military and Female Officers find that insulting. My Daughter who has a Master's from UCL said, "Hearing a woman called, "Sir" means she has to give up being a woman and act like a Man to succeed.."
@@MiserableMovieMan UCL turned out to be a very good University for my daughter. She said she is able to translate everything she learned in her profession into her real-world job.
The OG BSG was and always will be spectacular. But the RDM reboot added so much more to what BSG was, and what it could have been had TOS been allowed to go on to a second or third season. I can not fault the OG for producers being short sighted. It was a great show. But I won’t diss the reboot for also being a great show. Was it different, did it vary, take another but similar path. Yes, but all reboots do this, so why shite on RDMs BSG. I love the OG. But the RDM BSG. For me is SiFi at its finest bar none.
Fair enough. I thought the reboot started strong but meandered all over the place, was shocking just to be shocking, had characters I really didn’t care for and ended in comedy. But each to their own.
I was 7 when OG BSG came out, so was 32 when the Remake 1st aired. But I have no nostalgia glasses. Many shows I grew up with were total rubbish. BSG '78 was not one of them. If I had seen both as a Teenager, I would have thought the remake blew the original out of the water. The show is a 'Grimdark', 'Sexy', 'Tryhard', 'Edgy' kind of production that absolutly would have appealed to me. Until I grew up, experienced life and became more aware of what really matters. While BSG '78 had cheesy stories, most of that was due to being forced into a weekly format. The Executives wanted MOAR and ended up killing it because of that. However, the Remakes stories were often rubbish because they pretended like 'They had a Plan' when THEY DIDN'T. The original had more of an arc in mind, but didn't brag about it, while the Remake constantly told us how epic a story was waiting, but Moore & Crew admitted, especially for the last 2 seasons they were just making crap up. The Original BSG knew the importance of Love (not Sex), the Vital bonds of Family (Instead of the rampant dysfunction in BSG '03), the original tried to show how important children were.The Remake didn't even CARE. Children aren't Edgy & Grimdark, so they're boring, right? Of course they are. Well, at least the Starship Maybelline survived in both versions.
Thanks for the brilliant comment and agree with everything you said. Unfortunately for me, many of my friends who are the same age as I am, and others who are your age, still think like the teenage view you expressed and that grimdark is sexy and cool and wholesome hopefulness and family values are boring. That’s the main reason I did this video tbh.
The remake is a proto-Rings of Power with its -swapped casting. LOL to StarBUCK played by a woman when buck is a word for a male deer. :D What were they thinking?
Larsen started developing BSG in 1961, he couldn't get anyone interested in it until after Star wars was successful... The so-called ''BSG'' - Reboot, characters are all so dysfunctional neurotic nutcases, they wouldn't have survived the attack on the colonies, a first year military psych would failed them, hardly a professional group of military personnel... The reboot is SO vastly different that it should have been called something else; I detest it, if it had of been called something else (Space psycho's), it wouldn't have been so egregious and offensive to BSG ToS fans; Even if it was pre or post the Original...
The reboot was dark and gritty and you're right, the plot was ridiculous. Plus the military in the reboot seemed to have discipline problems. I remember the new Starbuck punched the second in command Col. Tigh early in the series and wasn't court-martialed. Later on in other episode she's talking to Adama, her commanding officer, and the President with her feet on the table. The Humans in the reboot overall felt like the U.S but 100 years from now tech-wise. I also didn't get how so many Cylon human replicants/clones wound up even before the Colonies were destroyed on the Galactica, which was supposed to be a ship ready to be mothballed. That means there must have been a ton of clones elsewhere in the Colonies and no one noticed??
Lucas - or his distributor, Fox - was in turn sued by Universal on grounds that SW itself is a rip-off of Silent Running. Catcalls going both ways! While the 'new' BSG is technically better, it arguably lacks *heart & soul* that was aplenty in the 'OG' BSG. Concur 100%!
I was four-and-a-half when I first set eyes on the BSG premier, and I was IMMEDIATELY hooked. I grew up watching that single season again and again, and I love almost everything about it. I don't wanna hate on anyone who enjoyed the reboot even half as much as I enjoyed the original, or any of the actors or writers or anyone involved in creating it... clearly, they did some things right, as that show's beloved by millions... but for me, there's just no comparison. It's OG BSG all the way. "Galactica 1980," however, was unwatchable (no shade thrown at Kent McCord or Barry Van Dyke, both of whom I really like as actors, but the writing was TERRIBLE)... except for one episode, titled "The Return of Starbuck," which was actually very touching.
Original my absolute favorite except the 1980 series. The reboot I liked for the effects but very dark characters and a confusing storyline. The music the original all the way that theme gives me goosebumps the reboot weird did not like the music. The Cylons definitely the original the reboot too human and the Centurions nothing like the original.
As a Fellow Grumpy Old Sci-Fi Fan that watched the Original Series run... I have to say that I completely concur with your analysis , and it is SPOT ON! I cannot add to your already perfect list of reasons why the ORIGINAL Battlestar Galactica will always be the best (and ONLY) series for me. Thank you for this video. ;)
It's too bad that the original BSG only ran one season, because it was a great show, very entertaining. I saw it on streaming and in syndication. I also watched the reboot. I have to admit it lacked some things the original did have, that made it great.
Yes, the original got too expensive and was really chaotic to make and so unfortunately even though it was highly rated and well received, the studio pulled it.
There are absolutely no likeable characters in the new BSG. Every single one is a loser or sociopath. It was such a disappointment. Now I realize it was just woke garbage.
Brilliant, in the racist aspect, I , we grew up with the series in the 70s. From Aoetearoa NZ the American Negro actors were normal to us in the series as we in NZ never new racist things in those days. Even we loved Star Trek reruns in the 70's. But growing up over the years never knew about the racist division in people just entertaining people like us in our little countries thousands of miles away. It's a shame that in my 50s that to learn that rascisim was rampant even involving our most beloved actors in the oldskool TV shows of America. Comon USA , us little Allied nations look up to you guys as our big brother. Racist views are Alein to us.
BSG broke a lot of ground in regards to diversity. I grew up in the UK and it was a huge deal for us as I experienced racism pretty regularly in my life. Great to hear NZ was insulated from that type of stuff!
That OG BSG was original is not an opinion, it’s a fact. Whatever aspects of the show came from Star Wars were simply a network imposition, but the story itself was original. (Buck Rogers, on the other hand, was a reboot.) The BSG reboot was practically a different show, and should have been. The creators just didn’t want to do the heavy lifting of having to create their own world.
In the original, Adama makes a comment about the degeneracy of his people and opined it was no wonder their civilization fell. To me, this is huge for story development and character growth. It makes me want to care for them and to see them overcome their faults and survive. Re-imagined never addressed this, that I saw, and left me without that sense of empathy for the re-imagined colonies.
A good summation of what made the original BSG much more interesting to some of us. I have often said in comments to other videos on the subject that I had nothing against fans of the newer version, but that I thought it missed many of the points of the original and that I simply enjoyed the original much better. Your comments here have given me a bit more clarity on why I liked it better. Thanks for taking the time to make this.
I think the main problem for the reboot was that they ran out of elements of the first series to riff off of. The original had a larger plot involving transhumanism, but it was cancelled and thus never finished. So the reboot didn't know where to go after they ran out of the OG material so it got weird.
I also think they watered down ideas, the polythiesm of the Colonials was so poorly done. It was written it was comic book. No understanding of actual religion, just preconceptions. The polythiesm added absolutely nothing to the show, and detracted from it to an absurd degree. They should have consulted some polytheist Hindus for an actual understanding of that kind of religion.
@@dixonhill1108 actually, they simply didn't understand the thelogical tradition the original creator was getting his ideas from. Hint, it was not polytheism.
The OG also had the actress who played Athena. She was sexy and smart without being like a whore, like the female lead in the reboot. Worse, they tried to make the Cylons a race that we were supposed to feel some empathy and sympathy for, at least for those that appeared human. Instead of a race with a clear cut goal of wiping out all humans, the reboot bots seemed to want to be human. The only good thing about the reboot is how it ended, as the humans actually becoming the people who spread across and populated Earth. But even that seemed a little forced.
I agree. The reboot lost its way and i gave up before the end. The 78 version had great 2 parters and it was light entertainment . The reboot was so depressing at times. I get it they are 2 different shows from different times but you have to have a good original to even get a reboot.
I love the OGBSG better also, I saw the first episode in a movie theater before it hit TV so maybe im Bias but IMO the original had more heart to it, I prefer the OG cylons way better
The new Battlestar Galactica sucked because it was made by souless cynical people from a souless cynical age and the original Battlestar Galactica was made in the 1970s which was a spiritual new age era. The humans in the original series were a humanity that you rooted for and the new series humanity were just another kind of evil species like the Cylons. It was like watching two villians fight.
I also prefer the original BSG just because it was fun and had great stories which captured my attention as a kid. The Cylons were menacing and it was a desperate journey to find Earth before the fleet was obliterated by overwhelming odds.
The reboot was more philosophical in that it pushed how time is cyclical and the actions of mankind are going to repeat until there is real change. How the Cylons, built to serve man, were the catalyst of it's destruction but also essential to its evolution. But it was moody and dark and less attractive to someone wanting the magic of the original series.
My BSG is also still the original.
Sure, I agree with what you mention around the philosophy of the reboot. My issues are that these concepts got lost pretty quickly as the plot started to get ridiculous!
It's my pet peeves of writers today, granted that Ron Moore learned from the Great Bird for Fraks sake.
Did they ever explain how people from distant alien planets--and for that matter, even the Cylons--happened to be early 21st-Century Americans?
@@kevincrady2831this was a combination of costs and relatability.
Moore found the fake words like frack and centon campy. So they used what they had and trusted the story to suspend disbelief.
Cost control is a big issue so that was defendable. My circle of friends only cared about the SFX so they didn't think it was a big deal.
@@M167A1 I guess it worked well enough that the series was successful and has a fandom. But it seems like a strong case of cultural narcissism to me. "The audience can only relate to these people if they're Americans circa 2004. Even the evil robots are Americans" (e.g. the lady in the red dress and the other "infiltrator" Cylons).
To me, it's like trying to watch a show set in the Tokogawa Shogunate, but they're all going around in jeans and Yankees ball caps in order to save money on costumes. It couldn't have been _that_ hard, or expensive to at least buy clothes with more uncommon cuts and styles rather than just going with suits and ties and other things we see on the street every day. Other sci-fi/fantasy/historical etc. shows do it all the time.
But if they wanted to have the show be about Americans for the sake of relatability and so they didn't have to have a costuming department, they could have just included some narrative element to make it make sense. Like, say the Colonies were actually American colonies, but they lost contact with Earth and the USA centuries ago, but clung to what they still had of American culture, preserving it through the centuries like the ancient Egyptians or Chinese did with their cultures.
Then, instead of arriving at Earth in the distant past, they reach a post-apocalyptic Earth of the distant future that's regressed to the Stone Age.
The idea that alien machines turned against mankind (as opposed to man-made machines turning against mankind) seemed a much more unique idea to me. I also loved the special effects for the laser pistols: A bright flash of white light at the barrel, accompanied with great sound effects, and something exploding down-range in a shower of sparks (no laser light beam connecting the two events). Brilliant. As to the reboot, it was okay as a stand-alone show...but it was most definitely not Battlestar Galactica.
I liked that the original had an intergrated crew although I would have loved to see more of Colonel Tigh and Boomer.
Both were awesome characters and progressive for the time.
I preferred the original because of the camera work. It didn't have all the herky jerk motion like in the reboot, using hand held cameras. That just gives me a head ache .
@@majorneptunejr same here😂
It's such a shame the original BSG sequel never got made.
I still get chills listening to Richard Hatch's Apollo declare "We will take back our sacred homelands!"
Yep, 30 second of what could have been! It looked epic!
There was a sort of a sequel called "Conquest of the Earth "
sucks that the show was canceled
Oh, I did not know that, will check it out! Thanks for watching!
I agree! Thanks for watching!
For me, I can break it down to the original BSG showed the best of what humanity could be and deserved to survive. The reboot gave us none of that. I watched the reboot and never once cared if any of these narcissistic characters survived or not. I saw the original movie in the theatre in 1978 and the TV series. The development of the main characters was paramount and the stories built around them. The reboot completely bypasses what made it great in the first place.
Yep, I think they just thought that gritty and real world would be more appealing.
Exactly
Right on, classic BSG is far superior! I totally agree with all your reasons. Plus the reboot got lazy, they copied tons of the original's concepts but couldn't even get the names of triad and pyramid right.
Yep, they got confused on that, clearly they didn’t study the original that much.
When I was a kid come to think of it I enjoyed both Star Wars or Battle Star Galactica...I enjoyed both for creativity of the story lines.. I enjoyed the costumes, and the characters, and the entertainment, and it helped with children's imagination about flying in outer space with spaceships and battling the bad guys who hunted you down
I disliked the reboot so much I could not watch more than a few episodes. I still haven't seen many episodes. It's been years but here's my list from memory:
1. Almost all main characters were unlikeable.
2. What's the point of having a show about killer robots, then making the killer robots look just like humans???
3. Wardrobe and prop elements looked like they were off the shelf at Walmart...business suits, clocks, etc. How is this possible in a civilization light years from Earth?
4. The big battle scene in the opening episode, just before the epic space war is about to begin...exciting! exciting! Wait, the enemy can flip a switch disabling all the good-guys' ships???!!!???!!! ARRRRRG!
5. Vipers shoot machine guns?
I can still hear Lorne Green's voice: "The last battlestar, Galactica, leads a rag-tag fugitive fleet on a lonely quest: a shining planet, known...as Earth!"
Spot on! Totally agree 😎😇👍👏
It's also frakking annoying how grossly overrated the Reimagined 'Galactica' is compared to the One and Only Battlestar Galactica! Likewise, I do still get peeved how people and sites dismiss Galactica as a Star Wars ripoff!?! No it frakking wasn't! 👎🤬😤 However, it's the Reimagined 'Galactica'that IS the derivative ripoff: Space Above and Beyond, The Terminator, Blade Runner and the androids and fembots of The Six Million Dollar Man and The Bionic Woman! But no one ever calls out Reimagined 'Galactica' on that! 🤔🤷♂️
Totally agree! Great points! Thanks for watching!
No one ever calls out the reimagined Galactica on anything, until I posted this video I had never met anyone other than me who preferred the original!
Great points, thanks for watching!!
I agree. I couldn't watch it, either. One of the main things that annoyed me is that the new Battlestar Galactica vessel was a slap in the face to the original ship. A flagship Battlestar more than a nautical mile in length in the original series replaced by a smallish, outdated relic with one functioning landing bay put me off instantly.
I totally agree with you.
Nothing is better than the original.
They are way ahead in many different things.
The reboot was just a horrible remake that ruined the original story.
But I know for the younger generation. They would like the reboot. I always suggest to them to open their minds and watch the original then they could see the big differences between the 2 shows.
Totally agree! Although not just the younger generation, I know plenty of folks my age (mid 40s) who prefer the reboot and herald it as the pinnacle of sci fi.
My mother had a good friend whose son was an actor and when I was very young he took us on a tour of Universal Studios. At the time they were shooting BSG and as a part of the tour I was able to walk the bridge of the Galactica, sit in the cockpit of a colonial viper, hold a colonial laser, and I met a Cylon warrior. I'd like to taka a moment to thank Marvin McCintyre (Silverado, The Running Man, Back to the Future III, as well as others) for making a small boy's dream come true. Even now at 55 the original BSG holds a special place in my heart and those memories are priceless.
Awesome story!
@@landonor1 Good memories to take with you through life👍🏻
Thanks for the FANTASTIC comparisons
Two different and separate shows entirely. One says “let’s make a fun and exciting show about a space-bound tribe of humans who flee evil robots while they search for their lost tribe on Earth.” The other says “cool - now what if that really happened in real life and what would that look like?” And I’m fine with that. The biggest problem with the reboot, though, is that it was just like Lost, in that it began with a great premise and then meandered all over the place creating plot threads that couldn’t be solved in the end with actual science-fiction. Both the reboot and Lost took the “because God” approach to wrap up all the loose ends in their attempts to bring all of the disparate plot elements together for their respective finales. At least the original series had a strong mythology and lore to give it some direction. Oh, and I also like the original show’s music better than the reboot. That classic BSG theme never gets old. 👍
Thanks! Completely agree with your points! I I was also a huge Lost fan and felt let down by the ending for the reasons you mention.
Thanks for watching!
The Remake was hardly more 'realistic' than the original. The only thing that gives it that illusion is the better special effects. The characters are PARODIES of real people. There is so much Grimdark Angst, they would have obliterated themselves, to say nothing of the Cylon (non) plan. But even if the Cylons had had a plan, they didn't need it. They had penetrated the human survivors to such an enormous degree they could have destroyed humanity before the miniseries STARTED.
'Realistic'? Not hardly. Starship Maybelline survived in the remake, just as it did in the original. But the original didn't pretend that wasn't the case.
The Remake would have appealed to me as a Teenager, back when slick special effects, sexy chicks in red dresses & Grimdark presentation could baffle my young mind.
@@torikazuki8701 Yeah I agree, it was just more miserable. I didn't really care if any of the characters in the remake survived, none of them were likeable. I just didn't like the dark, miserable tone of it.
I don't think your opinion is in the minority, I know MANY - MANY people who do NOT like the rebooted series & me being one of them. I do have a massive appreciation for Edward James Olmos, as his role of Comnander/Admiral Adama is the ONLY reason I watched the entire series. I really didn't enjoy the Gender Changes to most of the main characters, the plots from week to week were rediculous, and to the most stupid aspect that almost everyone appears to be a cylon hybrid. Then to add insult to injury, the final episode was tasteless and frankly a Cop Out for an opportunity to at least be interesting and a redeming event.
I’m getting a great response from this video so I’m definitely leaning towards agreeing with you. Unfortunately the critical reception, many reviews lists and ratings on websites etc. all promote the superiority of the reboot.
Agree.
Agree on pretty much all your points, my favorite all time show love the soundtrack
Thanks for the comment! Appreciate it!
Me too watching it over and over again I am stunned
The quality is not there
It is no star wars reboot I own all of those also these narrators are formulaic
Yes absolutly
"Half the garrison has come down with rust!"
OGBSG had fantastic actors like Jane Seymour, John Colicos , Fred Astaire, Lloyd Bridges, Patrick McKee, Ray Miland , Anne Lockhart and the voice of Johnathon Harris. Enough said.
The reboot did not make sense
You’re right. So many things about it made no sense to me. I think the writers were just going for what is cool without thinking through the consequences of their decisions.
I completely agree. The original had noble characters in a terrible situation that rose to the occasion. The new series was just a downer. Characters that were almost all self-centered and somewhat trashy to be honest.
Yeah, the more they fleshed the characters out the more I rooted for Baltar or the Cylons!
Starbuck was an insufferable narcissist in the remake. The OG Starbuck was cool. Yeah, he was a bit sexist, but he always rose to the occasion when needed and besides, the girls usually got even with him for being a Chad.
great review 10 out of 10 battlestars!!!
Thanks for the kind words!
I think you've covered most of why original BSG is superior. The Reboot is feldercarb! And all of us die hard fans of the original series got frakked when there was already a faithful continuation of the original series that began production in the early 2000's. Universal in a completely dishonorable move halted the production and those fellows Moore and Eick swooped in and seized the opportunity to replace it with the reboot rubbish! One of the things I agree with the most is about the reboot characters. What a bunch of miserable dysfunctional people! How could anybody stand watching them!? The original series had very likable characters. And the onscreen chemistry between them was amazing. And I'll add that the original has a definite fun factor. And the original also had great moments of humor too. But alas, apparently today's audience would rather watch miserable, violent soap opera crap. Original BSG has always had a great fan base. If only somebody would honor it again instead.
Great comment! Totally agree!
You could not have described it better! 😇😎👏👍 The 'reimagined' reboot was a complete mistake! Ron Moore should have done something else entirely different (much like how Disney Star Wars took so many wrong turns!). And I do still get peeved when the so-called 'reboot' gets all the love, praise and accolades that Battlestar Galactica 1978 (the One and Only!) never got! 🤬👎Likewise I get pretty miffed how people still assume Galactica is a Star Wars ripoff! 😤 Total BS! I'm a Star Wars fan and they are different - like comparing apples and oranges! 🍏🍊🤷♂️ - and that was another big mistake: Lucas and Fox's lawsuit, in addition to the cancellation,, mean-spirited felgergarb! ☹️ Battlestar Galactica deserves so much better! 😇🙏🌟👍👏
In addition to my earlier comment, it's interesting (and frakking annoying!) to notice how many triggered Reimagined fans(GINOids?) there are that troll the comments section on Classic Galactica Facebook groups! 🤔🙄🤷♂️ Why can't they just frak off to Reimagined pages and leave us Original Galactica fans and the Original Galactica forums alone!? Cut from the same cloth (and even inspirational to!) as the toxic Disney SW Sequel/TLJ//Reylo fans! 🙄😤😠🤬👎
Even the less-than-stellar "Galactica 1980" was better than the Edward James Olmos reboot.
Very well said ! I totally agree.
The theme music, lasers, cylons and the characters were what made the original better.
tech was so awesome, clothes.
Completely agree.I grew up with OG BSG and despite its flaws it was fun,epic,and had characters you could care about.NuBSG was just depressing
Totally agree! Thanks for watching!
I could not agree more.
Thanks for watching!
I love the original Battlestar Galactica, when they did the so called reboot it was a kick in the guts to the original fans and all the other people who kept the interest in the show alive.
From what I got from the reboot was that the humans created the Cylons and abandoned them when they were no longer needed, which makes the humans the bad guys where as in the original they were the good guys, Sea Quest and Space Above and Beyond both had a group of beings they created and then abandoned, so the reboot did nothing new there.
Changing some of the main characters from male to female was totally nuts.
One thing you did miss was the connection to the ancient astronaut theory that a lot of people believe and the connection to the Egyptians.
Great video, Cheers.
Thanks! I wanted to put down my top 5 reasons but the one you mention and a whole lot of others from the comments could easily make up another video.
@@MiserableMovieMan Cheers
@@leniere309 it’s a shame they have the need to reinvent the whole thing. I wish MR. Larson was still around can you imagine buck Rogers in the 25th Century and Battlestar Galactica crossover since he owns both👍🏻
1978 Battlestar was the best.
A show like this needed a bigger budget and Larson needed time to write good stories.
Absolutely, it was a shame the studio didn’t see that.
Unfortunately, that is why I enjoyed the RDM remake more. Better fleshed out characters, better SFX, more diversity, as well as keeping the spirit of the original.
@@robar1138 I think the reboot was killed by "fleshed out characters". It was so much "character" that the show felt like a soap opera.
I may mention this in my post but at the time the studio pushed Larson to get Battlestar out. I believe he wanted another year to develop his show. The studio wanted to cash in on the Star Wars crazy.
@@robar1138I found the new version melodramatic and the characters unsympathetic... Oh Lord how I despise Apollo... Oh wait "Lee"
As a woman, I didn't like the new BSG's underlying subtext that promotes distrust between the sexes, making the men weak to make the women characters stronger (unnecessary), making women the main villains - I've also noticed there's a weird new trend where torture scenes are OK as long as the torturer is female - seen that in Star Trek Discovery & as far back as the series ROME. Hollywood really seems to be going out of its way to ruin beloved classic sci-fi/fantasy sagas by turning them into dark, dreary, dispiriting, hero-killing *_crap._*
Totally agree! Thanks for watching!
It's called woke.
The objective is "promotes distrust between the sexes" as you so perfectly realized.
They did the same with StarGate Atlantis roughly at the same time.
Every single well established IP(intellectual property) is going to be bought and used as a medium for this kind of activism.
It has nothing to do with entertainment, art, story telling and even money.
It has all to do with creating conflict between the people and confusion at all levels in society.
The term "from the 2 fighters, the third one wins" is being applied here.
People are too busy fighting on things they are paying for.
Too busy fighting for words they can say or may not say.
Too busy fighting for childhood IP to have a proper remake for their own children to watch.
To busy fighting for fairness in politics(no favoritism to any sex)
THEN they have no time or mind(unity) left to fight for real important things like the outrage that should have people marching in the streets for those that want to privatize the internet every year.
Every year they try and get rejected because no one wants the last free speech medium to be silenced too.
They think that if there is just enough confusion and division they will eventually succeed and they might be right.
Where is the outrage for the attempt of trying to attack free speech?
Wow, I just got around to reading this comment and not only is it amazing, it's scarily prescient!! Thanks for watching!
I too prefer the original. Its production design, costumes and sets were far superior to the remake. Stu Phillips' score was also superior. The cast was far more likeable too. The original did get political at times, and its politics were terrible, a sort of dumb anti-Trek, but let's just gloss over that, shall we?
It's also that I really disliked the remake. All of the characters, without exception, were detestable. I wanted to flush the lot of them out of one of those roller coaster track launch tubes. I'd like to have jettisoned Starbuck 2 twice. The fake profundity of the religious angle was terribly annoying as well. One's monotheistic, the other's polytheistic. So what? Robots among us? That is old, old hat.
Your take was wonderful: I refuse to watch the reboot version, heard way too many bad views of it. Thanks!
Thanks a lot for the kind words! Many folks love the reboot but I just couldn’t enjoy it for the reasons I put in the video.
For me, the original Battlestar Galactica gave me hope for the human race. And still does.
The reboot does not.
The remake sounds like something made in current year.
I perfer the original battlestar galactica.
Thanks for watching!!
I agree! The reboot was too dark and frankly the hand held camera technique was waaaay overdone. I swear I needed a dramamine to watch it.
Shaky cam was in full vogue at that time!
But I feel it was overused to the point of distraction. It's really a hand held technique that supposedly represents reality better, (although my world doesn't shake like that), but as with all techniques if you over use it , it can become distracting and frankly cliche. I remember when the Bourne movies came out and I could hardly follow all the movement on those. It was too much and seemed to me like they were trying to hide a lack of technique in the fight skills by shaking the camera and fast editing. Anyway, at least for me it didn't work for either of those two properties. lol, but maybe it's a generational thing! Or maybe we just have better taste! @@MiserableMovieMan
How could they get steady camera footage from the first world war but not in space with future tech. Just an excuse to run cover fire for shitty special effects
Glad I not alone on that. That was why I stopped watching it at the beginning. It was like trying to look at a picture that someone kept moving about in front of you. It just gave me a headache.
Shaky cam has never, and will never, be a valid cinematic technique. Unless I'm watching Cops (and I don't) I should not see it.
I totally agree with everything you said. The entire series of the reboot couldn’t match the greatness of the Living Legend episode from the original.
And I think the original Battlestars look better.
Me too. The visuals on the original were amazing. Totally agree about The Living Legend episode. Such good storytelling!
Not only do the Battlestars look better, the original Basestars do too.
Yep, the Living Legend episode was my favorite too.
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I know what you mean. I don't like how the new series portrayed Commander Cain.
@@wesleyjarboe9571 That was the worst, ........ REALLY !
Totally agree! The 3 hour "Saga of a Starworld" pilot episode is my favorite from the original series. The original BSG doesn't get the credit and respect it deserves. The original had themes drawn from various ancient mythology and cultures, from the Egyptian themed colonial viper helmets to Roman inspired look of the evil Cylon Centurions etc. The new BSG series had very little of that rich world building and seemed like just another man VS man-made machine theme, which has been done to death. I also found the new BSG quite pretentious and boring. I lost interest after about 3 episodes.
One my biggest complaints and I know it's stupid was the outfit. Suits and ties in a culture that was completely cutoff from ours? At least in the original they made an attempt to make the outfit look alien. Look at Earth. Here in the USA we wear suits and ties but the middle east do not. Germany has their traditional garb and in Scotland the kilt is worn. (And comfortable) Even in the USA you will see different Trible outfit From the Senecas to the Cherokees (Sorry not sorry to those who want all "Indians" to look the same. You could do a long post on the different customs of the tribes)
Yep, it was a formulaic choice of man vs machine that didn’t do justice to the original.
Not a stupid complaint, totally valid! I forgot to mention it in the video. Lazy writing if you ask me. Plus the guns and vehicles were the same as ours! Very distracting and ruined my suspension of disbelief!
@@MiserableMovieMan Thank you for the repones... As an old struggling writer, I enjoy watching videos like yours. You don't just complin about a story, you explain why you don't like it and suggests how it could be made better. Listening to people like Doomcock and Nerodict has helped me a lot. I got a lot of nice feedback on my first book. Both good feedback and bad. Even the comments pointing out what was bad helped. If Hollywood would listen to all of you reviewers and us nonprofessional we could hopefully start seeing tales like we use to have when we were younger. Once more thank you for the time you take to do these videos and your thoughts on ways, they can be improved.
The OG had a lot more viewers… we’re talking about a consistently top-15 show in 1978 when there were only three US TV networks, as opposed to a 21st-century show on a niche cable channel.
Sure. It’s a real shame it got cancelled, the viewing numbers were great as you say. Just the budget started to get too much for the studio. We can only wonder what it would have been like if it continued.
Actually with streaming massive and a massive international audience, the reboot eventually got more viewership than the original could ever dream of. Plus 3 more seasons and DVDs....
The network sabotaged the show by insisting it be a weekly series instead of Larsen’s idea of a series of TV movies, which would have been the appropriate format for a space epic (as opposed to a sitcom or cop show). It would have also been cheaper because there would have been fewer episodes to produce, and the quality would have been better (the two-parters are the superior episodes). When it inevitably underperformed in the weekly format the network then canceled it. Then as now, the AMTPT members only know how to lose money, instead of nurturing quality and original programming.
@@easyalpha1 But in 78 you only had one shot at seeing it and at a particular time.
@@majorneptunejr True,but then there was the movie with sensurround sound too...which came out the same time frame.
So it was probably the first TV show to be shown in both platforms in the same year.
The original BG is much better than the reboot by far. Much better storytelling and a great cast to go with it.
Definitely agree with you but it seems our opinion is in the minority.
Hated the Battlestar Galactica Reboot.
Complete and Utter Garbage.
Thanks! Me too!
As a man of a certain age I definitely agree the original was and always will be the best 🙂
I am also of that age, thanks for watching!!
At 53, I long ago took off my nostalgia glasses. Most of the stuff I grew up with was trash. But those things that weren't have withstood the test of time and only grown.
I started reading 'Lord of the Rings' and watching 'Knight Rider' at about the same time. LOTR has only become more impactful and relevant, while 'Knight Rider' is absolutely unwatchable. Thankfully BSG '78 is closer to the former.
@@torikazuki8701 Original BSG and Knight Rider were both created by Glen A. Larson, and both had Cylon style red lights going back and forth while a very similar sound played, Lol.
You're right. The original was much better.
1. Aliens 2. pets 3. tech, the old version was more advanced in some areas. 4. More loyal crew.
Absolutely! Thanks for watching!
You are correct the original BSG was fantastic great characters great design great effects the reboot had great battles bland characters and got way too religious
I have to agree with everything you have said. The OGBSG absolutely had more character in every way.. and yeh it gave you goosebumps!!
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The original is so much better. One of my biggest complaints about the new BSG is that everyone hates everyone from the start. Characters that should be good are immediately plotting to kill anyone they don't like. THAT GUY wants to be President? Let's kill him. There was plenty of drama between characters on the original, but they never even thought about doing stuff like that. And the whole thing with Adama just outright lying and saying he knew where Earth was...ugh. Then following it up with a phrase I still hate today, "So say we all." Sorry Adolf, I'm not putting my hand up.
I have the original on dvd, in the big box shaped like a cylon head. I borrowed a friend's seasons of new BSG to watch. Only about half of it was worth watching. I honestly don't even remember all of it. Too many Lost style plot points that went nowhere and added nothing.
I will make one point though. I don't blame actors for bad shows. (not that you were) I blame the writers who wrote bad scripts, and I blame the directors who read those scripts and said, "Nah, it'll be fine." Actors just get stuck with whatever they're given and do the best with it they can.
Great points! I also have the boxed set with the Cylon head. IIRC Edward James Olmos came up with that catchphrase himself and they liked it so much they kept it in.
I think TV execs were keen for a gritty violent psychopathic sci fi show to pull in the ratings unfortunately.
As an American who grew up in the 70s and saw Battlestar Galactica in a drive-in theater (that later became the first three episodes of the TV series), I have to agree 100% with you. OG Battlestar Galactica!
Sounds like the movie experience was amazing! I’m jealous you got to watch it that way. Thanks for the comment!
I saw it in a large indoor theater. It was shown in Sensurround just like the movie "Earthquake".
Well, the 5th reason says it all. The reboot does not show another, different and more advanced civilization but just took 21st century western civilization people and gave them ftl spaceships. THAT IS NOT SciFi, and that is ridiculous.
Also, in the reboot they were fighting with bullets and guns. And they had 21st century jeeps. And they said that was realistic. Yes, it is as realistic as seeing 2 F-16's in a dogfight throwing arrows (or even stones) to each other. Yeah, the 20th century firearms are the epitome of the weaponry, we are going to be using them for the next 10000 years
Totally agree! Great points!
Also, people from alien planets light-years away will wear suits and ties, and clothes from The Gap and use telephones with cords. If I want to watch a show about a wandering American military force, I'll watch _The Last Ship._
OG's Music Score is miles better hands down. Totally Majestic and really ties you into the action, especially when that opening Narration with Patrick NacNee is being played. The reboot like a lot of contemporary scores is unmemorable
Totally agree!
I agree. I bought one track from the reboot soundtracks, and that was Colonial Anthem, which is a beautiful redo of the Stu Phillips theme. m.th-cam.com/video/AAk0hEVGgMY/w-d-xo.html
To be fair, some of the reboot's music was awesome - eg: "Prelude to War" from season 2.
But I would completely agree with all the points raised in this video
Thanks for the link, love it!
I agree that some of the reboot's music was pretty decent. Thanks for watching!
You nailed it!!!
Thanks!
The original was the best and the only Battlestar Galactica for me. I even liked Boxey and Muffit. People say it was boring how they used the special effects over and over, but they didn’t have the budget or time to make new special effects like they do now. They didn’t have computers like they have now, with software that kids could easily do better special effects then they had in The Original Battlestar Galactica. Glen Larson, and George Lucas they had to create all the special effects using what they could get there hands on, remember what computers could do back in the day and how they were very limited it there abilities. BSG even worked out how to do a robotic dog using a chimp in a suit just like Kenny Baker in R2-D2
Next is the lore, Star Wars had theres, OG BSG had theres, that new BSG did they set off from our own planet earth. It was too earthy, it didn’t feel like it was about a different part of the galaxy. I was reading a article how speech changed through the ages, and how everyday words could have been different from what we know now. What they didn’t keep Larson’s idea’s because people might not understand what triad was. When watching the movie the first time, I quickly caught the idea of what all the new words meant.
As for whose idea was whose, BSG and Star Wars, many movies today are even more similar than these two were.
Yep, the practical nature of things back then was pretty challenging but they pulled off some great results! You are right, the new BSG felt way too much like Earth with clothes and vehicles and the original feels like a totally different take on things but still recognizable as being somehow related to us.
Loved the 1978 version also i wasnt particularly bothered by galatica 80
Just couldn't get into the 2004 remake
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I agree with you about the original theme music. It was monumental and glorious.
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I think the biggest difference between the two shows to me and the biggest reason I prefer the original BSG is that the new one is a period piece - it's designed and best consumed within the context of its time of creation and the social issues of that time. The original, much like Star Trek's Original Series, is more timeless and generically approachable without needing that period context.
That's not even getting into the way everything "modern" has to be gritty, dark, and grim, and can't just be fun anymore while still tackling serious issues.
You are spot on! I didn’t mention the context of the period but it definitely was a huge influencing factor. That said it’s disappointing that execs think only dark and gritty sells.
I agree with you 100% about the original BattleStar Galactica! The New BSG I don't care for.
The OG series handled the aspect of its spirituality better, too, imo. There was always a sense of ancient lore and gods with the reverence given to the Lords of Kobol, the ancient pyramids they found on Kobol, the general sense of wonder that the characters, especially Adama, had for their history; and even the "light aliens" and Count Iblis seemed to fit in more seemlessly (not perfectly, but enough not to question them) because of that. The reboot started off as more hard sci-fi, and then went into left field with that stupid "God's Divine Plan" crap. And it made the ending and, especially the epilogue, just clumsy and nonsensical. It conflicted with so much more than was going on in the series.
Yep, the original had a well crafted sense of spirituality that was smartly referenced throughout the show.
The only thing copying Star Wars was the fact that John Dykstra came over from Star Wars to do the special effects.
Yep, and that was one reason Lucas didn’t invite him back to do Empire.
Gaius Baltar was a wet rag! Baltar, as portrayed by John Colicos was perfectly and deliberately over the top narcissistic, egomaniacal and treacherous - further enhanced by the Odd Couple-style dichotomy between him and Lucifer. 👏👍
The so-called Reimagined version was a big mistake! I don't care what the GINOids say, Ron Moore and Syfy should have made an entirely different and original IP altogether, and just leave the door open for a bonafide continuation of the One and Only Battlestar Galactica to continue! May the Lords of Kobol bless your channel. 💯😎💪👏👍
Thanks for the great comment! Yeah, it would have been great for them to just create a new IP instead of messing up the legacy of the original!
I like the fact that in the OG BSG, the Council of Twelve were just Twelve people, not the House of Representatives. The Galactica was the flagship of the fleet. Lasers instead of standard style firearms, which make sense.
There were some things I did like with the new one, the Cylons, lijed both versions of the Centurians, except that the new ones never talked.
I also grew up seeing the OG BSG. I also miss seeing the Egyptian styled flight helmets.
I was also told by my mim I could use Frack and Feldercarb, though got talked to by a teacher in elementary school for say Frack since it resembled the actual expletive.
But it doesn't there's democracy in a survival situation. Twelve power of power makes way more sense. If you've ever been in a ton of 45,000 people it was just absurd how many career journalists and career politicians there was. A small town isn't devoted that much to a political structure. It made no sense that there were multiple powerful people. The original did that so much better. The Nu BSG is highly overrated when it came to anything romance or politics related.
I totally agree, in fact, the depth of the story is much greater in Glen A. Larson's vision. The reboot is simply a bastardization of everything he did. From the characters, to those who in the reboot leave like a bunch of psychopaths each one more damaged than ever, they would have passed the minimum psychotechnical tests to be left with a weapon, let alone a battlestar.
And although it is not minor, the original Galactica has an aspect of majesty and poise that the reboot couldn't achieve in ten lifetimes. And seeing the vehicles and weapons, literally many of them being exactly the ones that were in service in the armies, makes that reboot even more pathetic.
And the story they propose at the beginning is nowhere to be taken, it is a black hole of inconsistencies that swallows any sense that could have arrived.
The reboot for me is just a waste of resources. And a real insult to what Glen A. Larson did in Galactica and even to his memory.
This was a very enjoyable commentary. It's actually less "reboot BSG is bad" and more a big scoop of "original BSG had some awesome elements"....with which I absolutely agree! "Original BSG" left a proud legacy of incredible creativity, fascinating and diverse characters, interesting and occasionally "big issues" themed plots, majestic theme music, cool designs including the Cylons themselves, and so on. The critiques offered of "reboot BSG", are mostly more an aesthetic dislike of its tortured characters, darker themes, grimmer outlook. That said, even big "reboot BSG" fans like me will agree with Miserable Move Man that "reboot BSG" sometimes got bogged down by its dense plot complexity, and in the climactic episodes, some dismayingly flimsy and questionable resolutions to its plot mysteries.
They had no clue what they were doing with the plot of the reboot - everything was designed to just look cool.
Comparison is inevitable and the truth is that the two shows are utterly different.. RDM asked for it however by invoking the BSG moniker
He did and made it BSG in name only really imho.
The battle star Galactica movie Kicked butt all over the reboot
Awesome critique, thank you! I saw the original BSG in the theater in Canada when it came out, and loved it. I didn't realize there had been a TV show until 2007, when I watched the original BSG TV series online. I loved everything about that series too! I watched the BSG reboot as a marathon on SiFi TV during the pandemic, and rewatched it 3-4 times. Since then I've watched OG BSG again, and it's still one of my favorite all-time sci-fi series. BSG reboot fit into the pandemic for its darkness & the dark nature of the times. Initially I was always looking for comparisons, but the original key characters were so disappointing in the reboot, and the story so mixed up with convoluted ideas, that I have to look at it as a completely separate storyline, rather than a reboot.
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The new BSG, is typical of new shows. Over serialized. Also, Starbuck, will always be male.🤣
Haha, the change didn’t really bother me but it was when she turned into an Angel that I thought what the frak!
One thing I found problematic with the reboot was that the characters spent a lot of time fighting each other for power as if they were fighting for real worthwhile power in the now-destroyed 12 colonies. In other words, they were spending all the energy fighting over scraps as if it really mattered, when it really didn't, instead of pulling together to solve their problems.
But that's human. I read once a sign of good writing is when you get mad at the characters for doing something stupid, instead of the author for making the characters do something stupid. Power struggles are human. Especially in a situation where your home system gets irradiated, people want to feel some semblance of control over a situation where they have none. It's believable. It's human.
Get it.... human... cause Cylon vs human.... :D
Hmmm... fighting over scraps instead of pulling together to solve their problems... Are we -? Naaaaaah.
Point taken, at least in part.@@elviakerlick1163
I totally agree. The original was the more believable version.
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i think race relations are indeed WORSE today than they were in 78
Agreed on all your comments, I tried to give the reboot a viewing but couldn’t get into it, I have both dvd and Blu-ray of OGBSG and like those the best, I watched this when it was first airs on Sunday nights. Thought it was the best thing on tv
Same here!
agree the original was better than the reboot
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I love, love, love the original.❤ The new show ticked me off. I just started watching the original a few days ago. The OG had morals and optimism. Forget the new show. 🤬
A different and more hopeful time. Thanks for watching!
Great review .... I also did not care for the new series characters & dispersed plot
Thanks! Me too!
I definitely enjoy OG than Remake
The BSG reboot first two seasons were great but after that they were trying to integrate some bizarre ideas and themes that retracted from the actual plot of the series. It was okay to go in different direction with the story but they going too far in some places with the themes. The original series they kept it more simple and sometimes that works best. Unfortunately, the original series only had one good season and the 80s BSG wasn't that good IMO.
Yeah, season 2 of OG BSG was pretty terrible. I thought there was a lot of promise and suspense in Season 1 of the reboot but as the plots became nonsensical and the characters got fleshed out to the point I was despising all the humans, I really think they dropped the ball.
@@MiserableMovieMan I was cheering for the Cylon and wished they would hurry up and eliminate the humans
Agree! Also, I'm sick of Science fiction films insulting women by calling them, "Sir." I served in the military and Female Officers find that insulting. My Daughter who has a Master's from UCL said, "Hearing a woman called, "Sir" means she has to give up being a woman and act like a Man to succeed.."
I also went to UCL!
@@MiserableMovieMan UCL turned out to be a very good University for my daughter. She said she is able to translate everything she learned in her profession into her real-world job.
OG BSG was a Show built on "history and Legend" while the Moder was built on "politics and religion",. Which is why I'm a BIG OG Fan!
Well said! Same here and hope you enjoyed the video!
I also prefer the original BSG great special effects ships cast crew. too bad in last only one season. Galactica 1980 was terrible
I agree that G1980 left a great deal to be desired. It generally lacked the action, drama and suspense of the original.
As terrible as it was, after watching the reboot, I sort of liked it more than I did in the old days. LOL
Yep, G1980 was a desperate attempt to cash in. It had a lot of promise but failed pretty spectacularly! Thanks for watching!
The OG BSG was and always will be spectacular.
But the RDM reboot added so much more to what BSG was, and what it could have been had TOS been allowed to go on to a second or third season.
I can not fault the OG for producers being short sighted. It was a great show.
But I won’t diss the reboot for also being a great show. Was it different, did it vary, take another but similar path. Yes, but all reboots do this, so why shite on RDMs BSG.
I love the OG. But the RDM BSG. For me is SiFi at its finest bar none.
Fair enough. I thought the reboot started strong but meandered all over the place, was shocking just to be shocking, had characters I really didn’t care for and ended in comedy. But each to their own.
I prefer the original also!
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I was 7 when OG BSG came out, so was 32 when the Remake 1st aired. But I have no nostalgia glasses. Many shows I grew up with were total rubbish. BSG '78 was not one of them.
If I had seen both as a Teenager, I would have thought the remake blew the original out of the water. The show is a 'Grimdark', 'Sexy', 'Tryhard', 'Edgy' kind of production that absolutly would have appealed to me. Until I grew up, experienced life and became more aware of what really matters.
While BSG '78 had cheesy stories, most of that was due to being forced into a weekly format. The Executives wanted MOAR and ended up killing it because of that. However, the Remakes stories were often rubbish because they pretended like 'They had a Plan' when THEY DIDN'T. The original had more of an arc in mind, but didn't brag about it, while the Remake constantly told us how epic a story was waiting, but Moore & Crew admitted, especially for the last 2 seasons they were just making crap up.
The Original BSG knew the importance of Love (not Sex), the Vital bonds of Family (Instead of the rampant dysfunction in BSG '03), the original tried to show how important children were.The Remake didn't even CARE. Children aren't Edgy & Grimdark, so they're boring, right? Of course they are.
Well, at least the Starship Maybelline survived in both versions.
Thanks for the brilliant comment and agree with everything you said. Unfortunately for me, many of my friends who are the same age as I am, and others who are your age, still think like the teenage view you expressed and that grimdark is sexy and cool and wholesome hopefulness and family values are boring. That’s the main reason I did this video tbh.
The remake is a proto-Rings of Power with its -swapped casting. LOL to StarBUCK played by a woman when buck is a word for a male deer. :D What were they thinking?
Thanks for the comment! I’m not that fussed with the gender swaps but the plot and horrible nature of the characters are what frustrated me the most.
Larsen started developing BSG in 1961, he couldn't get anyone interested in it until after Star wars was successful...
The so-called ''BSG'' - Reboot, characters are all so dysfunctional neurotic nutcases, they wouldn't have survived the attack on the colonies, a first year military psych would failed them, hardly a professional group of military personnel...
The reboot is SO vastly different that it should have been called something else; I detest it, if it had of been called something else (Space psycho's), it wouldn't have been so egregious and offensive to BSG ToS fans; Even if it was pre or post the Original...
Space Psychos is a great name!
Of course 1978 is better. Even the Cylons have more style. And the reboot have Starbuck as a girl. What the?
Probably because she identifies as a male deer LOL!
The reboot was dark and gritty and you're right, the plot was ridiculous. Plus the military in the reboot seemed to have discipline problems. I remember the new Starbuck punched the second in command Col. Tigh early in the series and wasn't court-martialed. Later on in other episode she's talking to Adama, her commanding officer, and the President with her feet on the table. The Humans in the reboot overall felt like the U.S but 100 years from now tech-wise. I also didn't get how so many Cylon human replicants/clones wound up even before the Colonies were destroyed on the Galactica, which was supposed to be a ship ready to be mothballed. That means there must have been a ton of clones elsewhere in the Colonies and no one noticed??
It seemed like every time you turned around someone was really a Cylon. Why attack when it look like they already had defeated the humans?
@@francisdhomer5910 Yes, lots of plot holes like that..
Yep, there were Cylons all over the place! Thanks for watching!
Not much made sense tbh!
Lucas - or his distributor, Fox - was in turn sued by Universal on grounds that SW itself is a rip-off of Silent Running. Catcalls going both ways!
While the 'new' BSG is technically better, it arguably lacks *heart & soul* that was aplenty in the 'OG' BSG. Concur 100%!
Most people ignore the heart and soul of the original and focus on what they think are the inferior qualities of the original.
I've seen all episodes of both versions. Rewatching the original is fun. Rewatching the reboot is depressing.
The original BSG was far superior to the reboot. I couldn't follow the reboot and the ending sucked.
I was four-and-a-half when I first set eyes on the BSG premier, and I was IMMEDIATELY hooked. I grew up watching that single season again and again, and I love almost everything about it. I don't wanna hate on anyone who enjoyed the reboot even half as much as I enjoyed the original, or any of the actors or writers or anyone involved in creating it... clearly, they did some things right, as that show's beloved by millions... but for me, there's just no comparison. It's OG BSG all the way. "Galactica 1980," however, was unwatchable (no shade thrown at Kent McCord or Barry Van Dyke, both of whom I really like as actors, but the writing was TERRIBLE)... except for one episode, titled "The Return of Starbuck," which was actually very touching.
Boomer should be a hot Asian girl. The 2003 Battlestar Galactica was a Dumpster fire!
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Original my absolute favorite except the 1980 series. The reboot I liked for the effects but very dark characters and a confusing storyline. The music the original all the way that theme gives me goosebumps the reboot weird did not like the music. The Cylons definitely the original the reboot too human and the Centurions nothing like the original.
As a Fellow Grumpy Old Sci-Fi Fan that watched the Original Series run... I have to say that I completely concur with your analysis , and it is SPOT ON! I cannot add to your already perfect list of reasons why the ORIGINAL Battlestar Galactica will always be the best (and ONLY) series for me. Thank you for this video. ;)
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@@MiserableMovieMan "VERY METAL"... ;)
It's too bad that the original BSG only ran one season, because it was a great show, very entertaining. I saw it on streaming and in syndication. I also watched the reboot. I have to admit it lacked some things the original did have, that made it great.
Yes, the original got too expensive and was really chaotic to make and so unfortunately even though it was highly rated and well received, the studio pulled it.
There are absolutely no likeable characters in the new BSG. Every single one is a loser or sociopath. It was such a disappointment. Now I realize it was just woke garbage.
Totally agree! Thanks for watching!!
Brilliant, in the racist aspect, I , we grew up with the series in the 70s. From Aoetearoa NZ the American Negro actors were normal to us in the series as we in NZ never new racist things in those days. Even we loved Star Trek reruns in the 70's. But growing up over the years never knew about the racist division in people just entertaining people like us in our little countries thousands of miles away. It's a shame that in my 50s that to learn that rascisim was rampant even involving our most beloved actors in the oldskool TV shows of America. Comon USA , us little Allied nations look up to you guys as our big brother. Racist views are Alein to us.
BSG broke a lot of ground in regards to diversity. I grew up in the UK and it was a huge deal for us as I experienced racism pretty regularly in my life. Great to hear NZ was insulated from that type of stuff!
That OG BSG was original is not an opinion, it’s a fact. Whatever aspects of the show came from Star Wars were simply a network imposition, but the story itself was original. (Buck Rogers, on the other hand, was a reboot.) The BSG reboot was practically a different show, and should have been. The creators just didn’t want to do the heavy lifting of having to create their own world.
The Original Battlestar Galactica was classic sci-fi. The reboot was poop,
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In the original, Adama makes a comment about the degeneracy of his people and opined it was no wonder their civilization fell. To me, this is huge for story development and character growth. It makes me want to care for them and to see them overcome their faults and survive. Re-imagined never addressed this, that I saw, and left me without that sense of empathy for the re-imagined colonies.
A good summation of what made the original BSG much more interesting to some of us. I have often said in comments to other videos on the subject that I had nothing against fans of the newer version, but that I thought it missed many of the points of the original and that I simply enjoyed the original much better. Your comments here have given me a bit more clarity on why I liked it better. Thanks for taking the time to make this.
Thanks for taking the time to watch it!
I think the main problem for the reboot was that they ran out of elements of the first series to riff off of. The original had a larger plot involving transhumanism, but it was cancelled and thus never finished. So the reboot didn't know where to go after they ran out of the OG material so it got weird.
I also think they watered down ideas, the polythiesm of the Colonials was so poorly done. It was written it was comic book. No understanding of actual religion, just preconceptions. The polythiesm added absolutely nothing to the show, and detracted from it to an absurd degree. They should have consulted some polytheist Hindus for an actual understanding of that kind of religion.
@@dixonhill1108 actually, they simply didn't understand the thelogical tradition the original creator was getting his ideas from. Hint, it was not polytheism.
The writers came out and confirmed your theory, they definitely ran out of ideas mid way through and went more for shock value.
The OG also had the actress who played Athena. She was sexy and smart without being like a whore, like the female lead in the reboot.
Worse, they tried to make the Cylons a race that we were supposed to feel some empathy and sympathy for, at least for those that appeared human. Instead of a race with a clear cut goal of wiping out all humans, the reboot bots seemed to want to be human.
The only good thing about the reboot is how it ended, as the humans actually becoming the people who spread across and populated Earth. But even that seemed a little forced.
I agree. The reboot lost its way and i gave up before the end. The 78 version had great 2 parters and it was light entertainment . The reboot was so depressing at times. I get it they are 2 different shows from different times but you have to have a good original to even get a reboot.
Thanks for watching! The reboot didn’t really know where to go.
I only need one reason to prefer TOS:BSG over Re-imagined: camera on a bungie cord.
I love the OGBSG better also, I saw the first episode in a movie theater before it hit TV so maybe im Bias but IMO the original had more heart to it, I prefer the OG cylons way better
I love the OG BSG. The new one made me nauseous and don't get me started that suddenly everyone is a cylon WTF
Lol, yep, they just went for shock value.
The new Battlestar Galactica sucked because it was made by souless cynical people from a souless cynical age and the original Battlestar Galactica was made in the 1970s which was a spiritual new age era. The humans in the original series were a humanity that you rooted for and the new series humanity were just another kind of evil species like the Cylons. It was like watching two villians fight.
Yep, this is so true! The humans in the reboot made decisions that were pretty deplorable.