Curved Joinery with the Router
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I bought a router bit set for making curved edge joints from ENT for a big upcoming project.
I wanted to test the set before I use it on my project because raw materials for that are quite expensive. I discovered a few mistakes that I made the first time using it and now know how to prevent them.
If you're interested in that set: www.ent-werkze...
Link to the written instructions from ENT: www.ent-werkze...
Enjoy the video!
Please watch the video before writing a comment
But why? "Great video" should be always applicable even if one does not watch your video 😂
I'm always commenting before watching the video.
Guess so 😕😑🙂
Lol,
Thos has to be a contender for "Post of the Day"
No
Here is a tip that works for me with templates, I coat the edges of the template with a 50/50 mix of wood glue and water (sizing). I do a few coats and sand with 320. This leaves a smooth hard surface for the bearing to register against.
As always, a joy to watch you craft.
Cheers
I wouldn't have thought of that. Thanks for the tip 👍
After your comment at 8:25 I expected another 10 minutes of video where you build an outstanding box for the bits :D
Ha haa
Came to say the same thing
me too --> see above !
Me to lol
Ditto
I really love the outtakes every video, I hope you never stop including them!
I appreciate this is years later but I’ve only just seen it. That set from ENT looks great but is now £130 plus carriage. I achieve the same result by using a 10mm pattern bit and then a 30mm OD guide bush with a 10mm straight cutting bit. That all means that, as you say much better than me, you are cutting the brother template 10mm too thin but adding that 10mm back with the guide bush/straight cutter. I only had to buy a guide bush - but it was for Festool and so was £20.
The results I get are varied - but failures are just my error usually maintaining that vital contact when making the brother template. I do use 6mm MRMDF which is okay although I would prefer 9 or 10mm
That is very interesting. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have started doing something similar. I make a template from MDF. I use a pattern bit to cut a 1/4” out of the wood. Then I cut strips of a different color so that strips add up to the thickness of the wood that I removed. One of the best tips I got was put so CA glue on the edge of the MDF template so it will hold up better. The edge of the MDF just doesn’t hold up very well and the CA glue hardens it up very nice. Anyway, thank you for sharing. I really enjoy your work.
I can't imagine your excellent videos without those great outtakes
That is a clear demonstraton of a useful technique. Use of a bearing with the same offset as the diameter of the first bit is clever, letting you use a regular flush-trim bit with the one of the templates. If it were critical that the curve of the join exactly match the curve of the mother template, you would need to change the procedure a little. To do that you could cut along each the brother and the sister templates with a bit that had a bearing offset of half the diameter of the first bit.
I agree with your assessment of those router cases. I think most manufacturers expect their coustomers will most likely put their bits in a shop made storage solution.
I can't believe you were able to go back and find the exact spot you missed the template! That was cool seeing the exact moment, if I ever try to do this I'll know to watch out for that.
I loved the outtakes 😂 Don't be so hard on yourself, what you're doing is amazing!
Marius, you are one of the best woodworkers I have ever seen. When I was a boy my dad taught me a wallpapering trick the will accomplish what you want much easier. Just overlap the two pieces of material that you want to join by a few inches. support the gap below the upper piece with a piece of scrap of correct thickness. Then cut through both pieces at the same time using a jigsaw, bandsaw or a router with a 1/4” carbide bit along your desired curved line. The remaining pieces will fit together perfectly!
If you did this you'd end up with the same slight mismatch as the brother and sister templates due to the kerf of the blade/diameter of the router bit though.
Bandsaw jigsaw router finish too rough for a one pass shot at it.
These tools allow removal of bulk and trim off a little bit. Much easier on the tool.
Excellent for wallpaper as stated.
Thanks for video! Im glad you're posting often again! I especially enjoy that you upload on a Friday so i can watch after a long week of work ^^
As always, awesome video. I'm a router novice and find these advanced techniques fascinating. I first learned of this method a few months ago on Stumpy Nubs. Since then, I've been thinking about it and am pretty sure that this same thing could be done with a straight bit and a guide bushing set. One of these days I'll make it down to my shop to test out my budget idea. In the meantime, if someone more skilled than me would like to give it a try, I'd love to hear of it worked!
Yes, I have used guide bushings to construct curved joints. I learned the technique in a Router Joinery class at Santa Fe Community College. Since I know guide bushings do work for curved joinery, I am searching for information on why it works and what is the relationship between the various guide bushing OD and bit OD. Where on Stumpy Nubs did you find information on curved joinery?
Nice to see you back in your workshop!
Good set of bits for an excellent woodworker should make for an amazing project!
Great video tip Marius. Always learn a little something and I can see how this bit set could come in handy.
Never thought about: the shortcuts MDF and HDF are in common in english and german --> little mind blow :-P
Muy bien explicado Saludos desde Lima-Peru mas claro que el agua
Trouble removing bits from storage container, I apply a couple drops of oil on the shanks to lube the holes...Works great..
Another great video Marius. I've never heard of this bit set before, looks like it could be really useful for projects that require a shaped mating edge, I can think of some great uses for such a set. Thanks for sharing 😀👍
nice video with nice funny end ,lots good tips
I know first hand, well index finger, about tight fitting router bits. Grabbed an 1/8" upcut by the tiny part of the shank sticking out from the container base... fingers slipped and the bit filleted my finger. Had to use needle nose pliers and some leverage to get the bit out when I got back from getting 4 stitches.
Ouch!!!
It was a brand new bit so it was ridiculously sharp and almost completely painless. I will never try to take a router bit out that way again.
This is a really good idea for a Riverargh Table!
Another great video....always interesting. I encourage you to continue making videos, looking forward to the project. related to this video.
Excellent video ! I'm guessing they designed the. Case more for safe shipping. Than storage porpuses ? You probably should make your own storage solution for your needs and space the bits are much easier than having to scribe. A radius which can get very tricky ive seen many guys do it. Wrong and remove too much product making. The whole project a bust ? Those bits would be very valueable to boat building and repair i would think
for a more permanent template you also could use acrylic sheet material, its a bit more wear resistent
Thanks for the Pro Tip to not put the double sided Tape on the wrong side! :D Who would have known 🙈
We all laugh at that tip having to be said, but we've all done it _(and will do it again)_ 😂
@@macf4426 yep, that's exactly true, that's why I thanked him :D
Marius great instructional videos! Keep them coming
Why don't you do this on your cnc? Or cut two boards at once, sand it and flip one of the boards?
Size is anti-theft. Time to make a wooden holder. Hehe :)
My experience with using MDF for templates is that it works fine provided you impregnate the working edge with superglue.
Great video year again. I do like your Out takes 😁😁
Looking forward to the big project.
Couldn't you use your CNC for that? for the whole thing of at least for the template?
Could you just re-do the sister template using the big bearing so there wasn't a chance of forgetting which bit to use on the final workpiece?
I think if you put a strip (e.g. for contrast) in the joint you can actually compensate for any remaining size difference between the flush trim bit and the guide-bushing/bit difference.
Hypothetical numbers: 20 mm guide bushing, 12 mm bit = 8 mm difference. Use 6 mm flush trim bit to cut the two templates, and then gluing a 2 mm strip into the joint should split the difference?
Hmm. No. I don't think that works. The flush trim bit cuts different radii on brother/sister templates. That's what needs compensation when routing along the brother template. Adding a strip doesn't change the radii back. So, no, this doesn't work. But you can of course add a strip into a well-fitting joint. May be interesting.
Yes, I think that could work, only your hypothetical numbers were wrong. 20mm guide bushing + 12mm bit is an only 4mm difference (on each side). If you bend thin strip it will have different radii outside and inside creating again an offset of the wood thickness. So fitting a thin strip in a well-fitting joint won't work in my opinion(except that enough clamps could force it together to a certain amount)
Yes, your argument makes sense and I also tried it with a compass on paper and then it becomes nice and obvious :)
Taking your comment into account (dia!=radius), the required bits are in practice either very small (
I'm thinking you could also use your x carve with the correct bit
Sehr gutes Video ! Qualität und uns Spass am Heimwerken sind in deiner Werkstatt zu Hause.
I’ve missed out on loads of your content, TH-cam hasn’t notified me!
am i out of my mind to do a 50sqm floor with this technique?
Vorschlag für ein Trinkspiel: Jedesmal wenn er Template sagt, einen heben;-)
Schönes Video.
They seem to have discontinued these bits. No!
Another awesome video. Thanks! I loved those big clamps, please tell me there is a video of you making them?
I made them in a "random shop stuff video" on my channel
@@MariusHornberger I found it! It's on my "to do list" ha ha. Do you have drawings or know where I could find them? Thanks!
Why not do all of this with a CNC? Would you have some of the same problems?
I believe that my CNC wouldn't be as precise as the normal method, other CNC's maybe. But the Project I want to use this joint for is bigger than my CNC anyways.
I see. After making some templates for some of my own projects (and having to make a really scary jigsaw set up to cut some of the pieces because I don't own a bandsaw) I had dreams of using a CNC to automate the process a little more. You seemed to get really good results with this method so I'll have to try that next time.
I learned how to do this in a book called "router magic" by Bill Hilton very very good book well worth a read
The author author of Router Magic is Bill Hylton and it is available on Amazon
Love your work sir. Do you have a video out of building those amazing clamps? Thank you!
Yes, I have:th-cam.com/video/tPCLoR4ptJg/w-d-xo.html
gotta love the outtakes :') great vid :)
Good technical review and presentation as usual!
Thanks for this detailed video! Can you please list the sizes of the 3 router bits you used?
Such a genuine No! At the bloopers 👏👌
Loving the new frequent videos. How was your period at college/ university?
Next video: ornate router bit box with brass fittings.....
Liked the pro tip you gave in the bloopers at the end. Dont stick the tape on the wrong side.
We all laugh at that tip having to be said, but we've all done it _(and will do it again)_ 😂
i would think you could also put melamine edging on the template to help smooth it out and provide a harder surface so you can use scrap as the template
Any edge treatment changes their shape. Edge bending adds thickness which creates another offset
@@MariusHornberger if added to all templates would it not keep it the same
No, that would make things even worse
Hey Marius, great video, and probably one of the best explanations out there for accomplishing this task. I really want to purchase that router bit set, but I'm in located in the US. Are there any other company that I can find a set like that?? I can't find it anywhere. Keep making videos, you are truly an inspiration.
I'm sorry, but I don't know a place to get them in the US. Have a look at Stumpy Nubs channel. He used a similar set.
Ich kopiere immer die Schablone noch einmal mit dem Versatz-Bündigfräser. Hat den Vorteil dass man dann beide Werkstücke mit dem gleichen Bündigfräser fräsen kann.
Great video, always looking for your videos there well done and funning at the end.
The video is great as usual. You seem almost angry in your outtakes. Hope everything is OK.
Always love the outtakes 👍🏻
I find it difficult to speak into the camera ad hoc this way (and I am a native English speaker). I can't imagine doing it in a second language. It always makes me think of this old gem:
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@@paulculbert1281 indeed, if you speak german or dutch like us, especially technical english is hard. you don't learn at shool how a "washer" or "bearing" in called in english. :-)
Hab deine Videos so vermisst Marius!
Bist meines Erachtens nach der kompetenteste, klügste und qualitätvollste yt in der europäischen Bastlerszene wobei du für mich da nicht wirklich dazu passt, denn gebastelt wird in Österreich eher in der Schule. Nur für dich als Info, bin gerade dabei mir die Hammer K3 zu kaufen nach der A3 31 und dem Verkäufer war deine Innovation hinsichtlich dem Ablänganschlag bekannt nach dem ich ihn auf die Wiederholgenauigkeit ansprach :D also das hat sogar in Oberösterreich die Runde gemacht nicht bloß in Tirol.
Freue mich auf viele top Vodeos von dir die mich selbst in die Werkstatt treiben !!!
Wow, vielen Dank! Ich hab bei Felder auch mal nachgefragt wie's der Verbesserung so geht. Wurde weltweit schon mehr als 100x verkauft. (Tipp: Nimm auf jeden Fall eine K3 Winner, KEINE Basic)
Werde die K3 Winner Comfort nehmen, da der Auslegertisch mit Rasterskala einfach ungemein die Einstellungen erleichtert und auch das 90 Grad Problem somit löst. Da ich fast nur Massivholz verarbeite und die Bohlen >2,5m sind ist es einfach mit Ausleger leichter. Würdest du den Transport nochmal selbst machen? Wir hatten den A3-31 über eine aufwendige Treppenrampe um eine 180 Grad Kurve in den Keller transportiert bei dem leider keine Winde,wie bei dir, möglich war somit wird das wohl in Auftrag gehen bei mir.
Bist du noch zu frieden mit deiner? Ärgert es dich für verdeckte Schnitte den Spaltkeil wecheln zu müssen? Bzw. wie „schwierig“ ist es ihn einzustellen? Bin am ünerlegen ob ich nicht einen Oberschutz bauen sollte wie bei den Felder bzw. Kappa Maschinen?! Was meinst du? Bzw. vl. ist es ja ein Video wert bei dir ;)
Ich bin recht zufrieden mit meiner, außer dem Längsanschlag der Basic Variante. Der Spaltkeil muss nicht gewechselt werden, man kann ihn bei 300er - 305er Blättern weit genug versenken und an die Einstellungen gewöhnt man sich schnell
Aaahh ok das wusste ich noch gar nicht, hab auch nicht danach gefragt weil ich davon ausging, dass es sowieso nicht funktioniert . Danke dafür schon
Great video. Got me excited to go get the bit set, but it looks like its unavailable in the US. Any idea why? Thanks!
I've always wondered how to do a joint like this, my only thought was to stack the pieces and cut both together, but now I understand that would not work. Could this kit be used to make 2 circles that fit perfectly inside each other?
Possibly, but difficult. There are better methods to achieve perfectly fitting circles
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Really good project btw do you have plans for bandsaw fence ?
Sister spoons brother
Router bit set link doesn't come up, do you have website address correct?
Nice job! Out takes make you look like a completely normal woodworker, but we use professional curse words
Are those ent bits really worth the money? so expensive.
Why didn't you use the CNC? I can't wait to see what you'll make with this nice router bits!
CNC is too small for the actual project
@@MariusHornberger can't wait Marius!
Or simply router bit with barring and 2 cnc template..
won't 2 different woods dont crack this joint after time due to different expansions?
poor English - perfect question
@@vizionthing me no native engish one yesyes 😁 hehe
@@vizionthing
Who needs better English if you understand the question???
I don’t see why it would. It’s the same as a multi-wood butcher block, right? I suppose if it was left unfinished and left out in the elements.
@Kühn nobody has asked for better English so far!
This is neat. Great video 👍🏼👍🏼
Look cool :)
great teaching video, thank you. What was the third bit for? Was it an edge trimmer for cleaning up? What are you studying at university I'm guessing engineering in some form that lets you get your hands on?
No, I used all three bits. Small bit for making templates, offset bit for the brother template and the normal flush trim bit for the sister template
Soll das für Schneidebretter werden ??
Wer sitzt denn da im Hintergrund :)?
Who is sitting in the background :)?
very good job. is there a store for this set? i'm from Italy...; how mutch do it cost? thanks
6:49 can anyone tell me witch conectors are at the excenter sanders ?
Good video.
6:49 was sind das für Stecker an den Excenter schleifern kann man die irgendwo kaufen ?
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danke dir super sache das macht schonmal deutlich weniger kabelsalat
I'm going to wait a day -- and sleep on it -- before I make a comment.
people that say , black smithing is harder than woodworking
bro you are soo wrong i tried messing with wood and bro
if you accidentally let a drip of water fell on your new just finished surface
bro you are gone
Who is the person standing in the back @3:58?! Was that unintentional spooky appearance?!
Of course, I mean it was Halloween...😉
@@MariusHornberger it was spooky :D Good job ;)
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻thanks
Mach doch mal bitte wieder ein Video auf deutsch.
Ich hab noch nie ein Video auf Deutsch gemacht, außer ein einziges vor mehr als vier Jahren zu Beginn meines Kanals
It‘s called, male and female Marius and not brother and sister 👍😂
How's Uni been Marius?
👍👊
все брехня
так не виходит ви монтуеете видео
Pro tip: forget double sided tape. Use the masking tape super glue trick instead.
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Im sorry I cant resist about incest jokes at 2:35