I think Oscar was introduced because show liked having Jaune in that role of "regular relatable kid who grows in strength and learns from much cooler characters around him" so much that it had to create a whole new character for it all over again
That is indeed what I find appealing about oscar, as many have probably said: I'd love to see him gain power and be himself but right now he's mostly along for the ride.
@@jonnjones8263 well if everyone hated Jaune then he wouldn't get such big roles in the show, even now he's with the main characters in a new place. The writers love Jaune, a lot of people like Jaune. I hope other characters get focused on tho.
One problem CRWBY has, is that when they write characters, they do it with one thing in mind. One thing that must be done, so they make a character for that. The problem of that is, that once they have done that one thing, CRWBY doesn’t know what else to do with them. So they just stand around doing nothing, until they (maybe) get one other thing to do in another season. So, rather than getting all they can out of the existing cast, they just keep inventing new characters. It’s as if you bought a new mug, whenever you want a drink. You could just clean the ones you already have and reuse them, but you’re to lazy to do that and instead just clutter your kitchen with useless mugs
YES. 100% This is a point I plan on covering sometime in the future in regards to RWBY's "cast is too big" problem, and the best examples I have to really hammer this home is Sun and Cardin. "We want a bully character!" So here's a stereotypical bully. "We want a cool guy character!" So here's a stereotypical cool guy. The problem only gets worse when it comes to their teams. Since they were designed with only 1 character trait in mind, the rest of their teams tend to just be the same exact thing. Cardin is a bully, so here's his team of other bully's. Sun is a cool guy, so here's his team of cool guys.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 it’s also a big part of the reason, why many of their characters tend to overstay their welcome and feel useless. Even main ones, Blake is just there, so that a Faunus with the White Fang plot can happen. Once that’s done she has nothing to do. Same with Yang. Who has her arm cut off, so that revenge plot can happen. Ren and Nora exist so that they can fall in love. Oscar exists, so that reincarnation can exist. And once they did that, they had nothing to do for a while, because they weren’t made with anything else in mind. Until Yang and Blake could be Bumblebee and Ren could get angry at Ruby. It’s a big flaw of the writers.
It feels like a CW show a vast majority of the characters are just “there” until they’re given something to do following that they go back to just being “there”.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 Yeah, RT is really bad with making composite characters. Being forced to give any remotely interesting character a team is a hindrance too, as now they have to allocate resources to making 3 other cardboard cutouts to justify the inclusion of the character they actually wanted to use.
Fun fact: In Encanto, Bruno was supposed to be called Oscar. But the composer changed because Bruno sounded better in the lyrics. So, we almost don't talk about Oscar.
After watching: Jaune being the new Ozpin would have made sense. The whole point of Joan of Arc the character Jaune is based on, was that she heard the voice of a spirit in her head and went out to War. Not to mention, Jaune is a character that always dreamed of being a Hero, so the idea of him possessed by the greatest Hero who ever lived, aka the original Hero is a great twist because he'd get his dream but realize it's not all its cracked up to be. He finally gets exactly what he wants only with the huge downside of him having to come to terms with his mind being erased. It's a solid story with an established character, that also fits into the character's motivation, the mythology of the character's inspiration, and provides a great character arc and internal conflict. Imo this is so perfectly set up I'm convinced that they scrapped it at the last minute and had to invent Oscar in a hurry.
Don’t forget that Jaune of Arc was just a simple farm girl and had no real training as a soldier. If they edited that part of Jaune’s backstory he’d fit right in.
@@nix4184 yeah it's actually really funny, if you look at the trivia in team JNPR wikipedia pages you'll find that all of them are based on crossdressers
Its ironic. Oscar's biggest fear is that he is nothing more than a vessel for the next Ozma incarnation. That all his personality & character will be overwritten and that his relationshops & development shall mean nothing, in the long-run. Is this not how the story treats him? Someone who has no character other than being a blank slate, the next vessel for Ozma and (arguably) a love interest for Ruby.
Sometimes I really wonder what the writers think because Oscar being created to be Ozma's next incarnation has made the whole "I don't wanna be the next incarnation" dilemma makes it so hard to feel bad for Oscar because the merge is the only place his story can go there's nothing else to look forward to with Oscar's character It's incredible the writers want us to care about Oscar and his situation when the writers don't seem to care enough about Oscar to give him anything to do besides merge with Ozpin
@@brianford4914 Oh definitely. There are no other motivations or goals that Oscar (specifically) has. I get the point was that he was thrusted into the conflict but he wanted for nothing beforehand, so it is difficult to care about anything else with him. The blank slate-ness has left him empty and with no reason to care about him. I'd argue that most of the main cast have nothing to do, other than fight off Salem. Blake killed Adam & restored the White Fang. Yang got over Raven. Weiss took down Jacque and Atlas fell. A large chunk of the cast now having nothing to do, in the main story. This means that Oscar will have to fight for screen time, for anything other than the merge.
@@pickyphysicsstudent201 I thought he wanted to be a huntsman? Or at the very least, he had some aspiration for wanting to see more of the world than the farm he was raised on? That could've been a good character for him: a person who gets what they wished for, but not in the way they envisioned it to be.
If I may, I think there's a misunderstanding. If and when their souls perfectly merge, Oscar won't be overwritten by Ozma. Rather, Oscar will just inherit Ozma's memories and abilities. Basically, Oscar will still be the same; same personalities and interests, but have Ozma's memories, mannerisms, fighting prowess, and magical abilities.
The most annoying thing about oscar he's so repetitive and predictable his character Is constantly out on repeat its fitting people ship him with ruby cause she's a monotonous nothing character they deserve each other
I find it so weird that the ONLY one who cares that Oscar might cease to exist is Oscar himself. When they heard Ozpin's past NO ONE was like "Is Oscar gonna be okay?" It's so telling that the only one who brings up the merge is Oscar. It's another reason I don't really like the heroes because they say they're friends with him but they don't really seem to care about his well being. Like it would honestly make the show more interesting to have the other characters care about Oscar's merge with Ozpin. Maybe they would think of plans to separate the two like, asking the lamp if there's a way to stop the merge or using the staff to do some Penny shit and put Ozpin in a new body. Hell, I even had a theory that the relic of destruction may be able to destroy souls and maybe it can be used to like erase Ozpin's soul but no the merge is solely Oscar's problem and it's so weird because it feels like everyone just doesn't care and just sees the merge as inevitable.
Tfw you bleed your heart out to your comrades about how your life is about to basically come to an end when you're only a kid as you've been forced to abandon your home to save the world against Satan, your mind is slowly being absorbed by an amalgamation of a millennium old wizard meaning that your personality will soon be irreversibly replaced, said wizard is also the exhusband of Satan, and all your comrades sorta hold hate for you because of the wizard in your head, but despite all the pain that you're gonna go through you're still willing to help. But then your comrades ignore everything about what you said except for the help part. IDK how Oscar doesn't just fucking give up and make Ozpin do all the work because fuck that noise.
The worst thing is, I have a feeling that some magical solution on how to disconnect Oz & Oscar is gonna come about and in that moment *Suddenly* Team RWBY cared and has always cared about preserving Oscar’s personality in his own body and (god forbid) killing Ozpin or (hopefully) giving Ozpin a new body to inhabit that is all his own they just talked about off-screen
He really does feel so outside of the group despite the fact that he’s in the worst position out of all of them… they’re really unlikable people I swear lol. Kid is basically on death row, takes most of the visible beatings, was ignored by the group and only ever apologized to by Jaune and is constantly ragged on by the fanbase because he isn’t a cute girl. (Cmon let’s be honest, if he was, he’d have a much larger fanbase.. look at Neo)
Honestly with the show establishing you can just give someone a new human body it basically removes all the drama of Oscar's mind being merged with Ozpin. They literally could have just gotten a new body for Ozpin and it would have been far more beneficial to just let Ozpin have a new body so he can do his Ozpin things while Oscar gets to keep his mind. Hell it might have even been a big help in talking to Ironwood even if they were assassinating his character in Volume 8 cause Ozpin himself might be able to talk to him better than anyone else. But that thought probably didn't even cross the minds of the writers at all given that they seemingly created the whole plot point of the staff to get Penny a human body and create the portals and force a situation where Volume 9 happened.
I actually think having Ozpin inhabit Jaune would have been such a good character choice. It would have happened back when the "Jaune is a self insert" stuff was pretty limited (not non-existent, but it's certainly grown with each passing season), it would have kept the the teams shorter, and it would have been such a good twist reveal in the middle of a tense but otherwise listing arc. Most importantly, it would have given two of our main male leads HUGE beef. Picture this; It's season 4, we have the Jaune training in the woods scene, but, instead of just his normal swordplay, he exhibits some strange extra abilities. Ruby notices, and is concerned, but doesn't bring it up because she was spying on him, so she just goes back to bed. We also get an establishing shot that Qrow also sees it, so that will come into play later. Fast Forward to the Tyrian fight. Jaune pulls off some semblance move no one can explain, which saves the group but also confuses them, except Tyrian who laughs like he knows something the party doesn't (hell, in the original scene, Tyrian says that Jaune specifically interests him. What if he recognizes something about the aura pattern that tips him off this *could* be an Ozpin "echo" [we'll get to that distinction later]). Qrow dives in to save the party, episode proceeds as normal, Qrow explains a bunch of stuff as usual, and he keeps giving Jaune funny looks, but he's too ill to explain more. Later, Qrow goes down to poison, and Jaune and Ruby help carry him to the village where they get attacked by the Nuckelavee in Kuroyuri. The fight is already pretty stacked, but at one point Jaune loses his sword and, in a moment of desperation, grabs Ozpin's staff from Qrow's unconscious body. Surprisingly, he does pretty well with it, taking it up effectively first with his shield, and then later duel wielding with his sword, shield on his back to block attacks with his motions. It's almost like a totally different character (heerheerheer) is fighting, and in the end Jaune collapses and no one really has time to question him about it as the Airship shows up and they all pile into it. The end credit scene for that episode is Jaune, feeling better, visiting Qrow, feeling "better," to give him the staff back, which ends with him closing his hand around Jaune's and pushing the staff back towards him, saying. "No, you hold on to it. He's gonna want to have it close by when he starts coming back." This is going to lead to a confused and surprised look from Jaune, and then smash-cut to black. Season 5 now has Qrow explain that there are tons of people in Remnant who carry an "echo" of Ozpin (i.e, Ozma), the first wizard (which we learn later isn't actually true). When Oz dies, those echoes resonate for a moment, and then his soul finds its way to one of those echoes and begins to merge with it. It's not always the closest, or the strongest, or even one Oz knows, but he does seem to have some minor influence over it; usually it relates to someone he has a serious emotional connection to. For some reason, he was deeply emotionally connected to Jaune at that moment, and while we don't know why, eventually Ozpin will resurface in Jaune's mind (like they have with Oscar), and after some time the roles will switch, with Oz taking the lead and Jaune remaining as a presence in his mind. After a few more years, the two will end up as one mind, joining the many others that make up Oz. Obviously, Jaune isn't happy about the idea of becoming Oz, or losing control of himself, or all this magic stuff. What's worse, he can't think of a single thing that would connect them, because he is secretly harboring a huge resentment to him... it is revealed here that Jaune blames Ozpin for Pyrrha's death. Not alone, obviously, he hates Cinder as well, but if not for all this destiny stuff she might still be alive, he feels. This is our major conflict leading into the next few seasons, as far as the Oz/Jaune arcs are concerned. Jaune harbors resentment to a returning Oz, but the magic and the combat skill he gains by letting Oz take the wheel are important to Jaune, who has wanted to get stronger for a long time. Once the true history of Oz comes out, it's actually Jaune, who is separated from Ren and Nora (we also lose Weiss here, for reasons I will explain in a minute) who beats himself up because he is trying to find a way to hurt Oz, leading to the team and Qrow watching in confusion and horror as he screams Oz into submission. We then get Ruby, Jaune, Maria, Qrow, Blake, and Yang travelling through the snow, and we emphasize each of the girls present, and Qrow, getting the chance to talk to Jaune, as well as Ruby, about Oz's deception and what it means for their goals in the future. This culminates with Ren taking Jaune's place in attacking Jaune/Ozpin when they get to town, the truth causing his normally calm demeanor to snap and leading to the start of the friction between him and Jaune in the Atlas Seasons. We also get Weiss being *IN* the town for a couple days, trying literally everything she could before the rest of RWBY arrived to get them to Atlas, and being blocked at every level by all kinds of issues; someone is deliberately blocking their attempts to get back (this later turns out to be Adam, using White Fang resources to tie up their channels, to force them to act rashly and open his shot at Blake, making him slightly more menacing before he dies). That also makes their "we have to steal an airship" plan marginally less insane. Lastly, we have the big Pyrrah statue scene, but instead of random red-head showing up, it is a chance for Ozpin and Jaune to talk, leading to the reveal that what brought them together was the loss of someone dear to them; for Jaune, it was Pyrrah, and for Ozpin, it was the Autumn maiden. He failed her, just as Jaune felt he failed Pyrrah, and that moment of defiant sadness was what cause their souls to resonate. In the end, Jaune doesn't accept that he will merge with Ozpin, but he does forgive him for Pyrrah, and he expects Oz to actually be open with him, if they are going to make this work, somehow. However, I also do really like Celtic Phoenix's Roman idea. I had only considered Jaune right now, after you brought it up, and just had to get my ideas for it out of my head. Great video, great dive into the topic, can't wait for the next one ^.^
I really like that it feels like a actual arc for a character. How I see the arcs in the series are: things happen, they maybe mentioned once or twice and then they just sort of end. Another problem I feel is that by and large a good majority of the characters just feel kind of “there” in that they could be replaced by bags of rice and nothing would really change. Celtic’s idea to have Roman be Oz’s next host was good as not only does it tie into Ozpin’s (supposed) moral grayness but Roman actually has charm.
Gotta love RWBY fandom One of the few examples where the fandom is more interested in compelling stories and characters than the whole writing stuff. Anyways, great comment, interesting plot ideas
There was a fanfic called "The Girl With Two Souls" where Yang is the host of Ozpin as the curse by God of Light didn't say Oz can only inhabit male bodies and the likeminded souls applies to the females too as well. And that Yang didn't get tainted by Raven's bias and decided to go out on her terms and help Ruby & company stop Salem after figuring out she's going to be assimilated in the merge.
I see so many great "what ifs" like this, and it just makes me think how a small idea can grow until a fun and interesting concept. I've been pretty disappointed with RWBYs story telling, but this idea patches a few holes as well as adds to the story!
Real talk? I'm pretty much convinced at this point that the "Why?" as to why Oscar exists is simply because of Jaune's reception. It feels clear, when you think about it, that they MUST have intended for Jaune to be Ozpin's next reincarnation. The idea would even fit the historical character that Jaune is based on, Joan of Ark, given that she was said to "hear voices in her head", and that's without mentioning how there were lots of possible "hints" for a connection between Jaune and Ozpin established before, like the fact that Ozpin likely let Jaune sneak into Beacon despite knowing his credentials were faked, or how the "King of Vale" (who was clearly another one of Ozpin's past lives) wielded a sword that was probably, at some point, meant to be the very same sword that Jaune is currently wielding. But somewhere down the line, the writers realized that if they elevated Jaune's importance THAT much, given that the show nowadays isn't even about RWBY, but about the eternal war between Ozma and Salem (with RWBY & Co just being bystanders caught in the action at best), making Jaune basically the most plot-central character of the show... it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to refute any longer that he IS the real "Main Character" of the show and the only character the writers ever really care to write about. The fact that Jaune's reception even in early volumes was mixed at best was also likely another contributing factor to this "wake up call", so they completely aborted the whole "Let's make Jaune the next reincarnation of Ozpin/Ozma", and instead just... made up a completely new character - likely on a rush, considering how BARREN Oscar's background is - to fill in the spot. And that's how we ended up where we are...
They might still do it~ Who knows?😃 Oscar might just fucking die like I know how Winter is 100% going to die bc Weiss will be the winter maiden in the end for sure
Honestly I feel partly that the whole show should not have been called RWBY. It gives a lot of focus on side characters which is not necessarily a bad thing but then the main characters feel kinda left behind. They should've just srewed the whole main character thing and simply made apart fomr like on only side characters
@@lucifer-librarian9562I think they should have made RWBY constants and have other characters like Ospin, Juane, Ren, Nora, and Qrow come and go across the seasons.
I'd love if Oscar used farm tools to fight, I get using the cane as a legacy item but if he fought like with a sickle or pitchfork I think his fighting style could stand out more and make him more of a character
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 She offers him dinner in the first game and like the ungrateful brat he is, Sora just runs off to get sucked into a world ending black hole and then leaves the food to get cold for the next three years.
Oscar is literally an entire character dedicated to the sole purpose of being a sacrificial lamb to provide an easy excuse when the writers decide they want ozpin to be unambiguously a good guy again. Oscars consciousness disappears, everyone is sad, and his impact on the collective ozpin is that after fusing completely, the other characters suddenly don't mistrust him anymore. Because Oscar is in there somewhere so he must be a good guy!
Wanna know why Oscar is a farm boy that lives with his aunt? Because Luke Skywalker is a farm boy who loves with his aunt. And CRWBY likes taking story from other things they like
@@TheSaharay1 He was dorothy Then the writters forgot to check what happens in the novels, so RWBY: After the fall made the principal of vacuo (Theodore) the new Dorothy reference, and now Oscar is another character (Its still another Wizard of Oz character, I just can't remember his name)
Rwbys problem isn't that they have to many characters but that they don't utilize then well at all they make a character to serve a single purpose then they are ether abandoned or just take up space .
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Basically. The stupid nonsensical runtime doesn't either, however. Especially early on. If there seasons/episodes had the length of time that they did now, the amount of characters introduced would be easier to work with... but this implies that they wouldn't fuck that up too lol
@@KaiserShounen I don't think run time would even matter Rt is just bad a managing it's characters more then half the cast shouldn't be here anymore and serve no purpose and all the characters who should be important are ether not around for no real reason ( tai , raven , sun) or are wasted Oscar , ozpin , salam .
@@KaiserShounen like for example they made an entire character for the sole purpose if teaching ruby silver eyes even tho both qrow and ozpin could have easily done that themselves and what has Mira done since ? Nothing but take up space.
I really do hope Oscar steps up in the next Volume. Since Ruby is “gone”, maybe he’ll get a chance to interact with other people more. I just really hope his dialogue isn’t limited to things like “I know they’re still alive, I can feel it” or “I’ll hold things together until they get back”. Honestly, I feel like a show RT could have benefited from watching was Once Upon a Time. Not only would they have seen how others handle different interpretations of storybook characters but also the problems that arise when you make a gigantic cast with the mindset of”we need to reference every story we can”(seriously, if you’ve ever seen the family tree for that show it is insane).
@@elijahhayter3026 I suppose I do tend to be too much of an optimist sometimes, but you do have a point, it’s likely RT will go in that direction given their recent track record.
@@mirramirraonthewall There's nothing wrong with optimism, but given their track record, RT's not been making the best calls. I frankly want to see this happen as much as you do, but expectations can lead to disapointment.
I always thought Oscar could have been a good "token religious" of the group, it's already cannon that the people in the cities don't believe in the gods anymore so why not have the kid from the outskirts be the one to have his beliefs be questioned when he sees the light and dark gods that would also go a long way to why he doesn't want to bond with ozpin since he might see it as having his chance at an afterlife taken away
Another way to do this is to have a devouted Oscar at first be overjoyed to have been chosen to be a god's new vessel! He sees it as a holy duty, a good thing. He listens to Ozma and does exactly as he says without even thinking about it. Slowly, as Ozma gains more control over Oscar's body, he starts to have doubts (would be best if most of their thoughts were still separate so Ozma doesn't immediately notice). Ozma starts taking control more often, and Oscar is left to observe his own body, completely powerless. When he's in control he might turn to speak to someone, but Ozma decides that what he's about to say shouldn't be said and take over. All Oscar can do is scream in his own head while Ozma pretends to be him. Even more time passes and Oscar starts fading in and out of consciousness, passing out and waking up days or even weeks later, with no idea where he is or what is going on. He fights for any scrap of control and manages to beg RWBY to save him. This also gives them actual motivation to keep secrets from Ironwood about the relics, because they want to try to use them to save Oscar and either move Ozma to an empty vessel, or destroy him completely.
Can you imagine if Oscar was a Faunus? While it seems like a missed opportunity, they would've made him an animal that also represents his growth in the series. Preferably, something that has antlers.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 I’m glad you feel that way. Then how would you imagine Qrow with a beer belly? I picture it working like Peter B.’s pizza gut, in which it shrinks a bit when in action and being more exposed when he’s not doing anything. Not with abs, but to show that he’s still in the fight.
The part that upset me the most about Oscar's character arc from Farm Boy to up and coming Hero was that Oscar went from "Get out of my head!" to going on his journey to Mistral. It kinda feels like a huge jump from not wanting to go and save the world to now going to save the world.
It makes sense since Oz might be pragmatic and willing to do some shady shit behind the scenes at some point during his reincarnations over the centuries. Can't fret at every egg to make an omelette, Jack
@@pedanticat9479 To Ozpin's perspective as a very long lived bodyhopping immortal, Roman is one of the many cheap chumps compared to the great evil of Salem. Besides, even if you don't like Roman's personality and career, he has his uses to Ozpin like tapping into Roman's many connections in the criminal underworld for valuable information, money, ammo, and supplies that would be funneled to Ruby and her friends who would use them to fight against Cinder and her allies. Plus he can get them to places where they can't get into easily such as smuggling into Atlas without need of stealing an military airship underneath Cordovin's nose.
For me I really like the idea of jaune and Oscar mentor and student relationship kinda like jaune and pyrrha it sounds so cool that jaune who's formally a noob is now a mentor to someone else imagine the character development of jaune and Oscar learning from each other.
They could've been brothers. Jaune's never had a little brother. Oscar is an only child. They could have been the sibling the other never had. It would've been perfect.
This comment section is everything and more that I thought what happened in volumes 5 & 6 between Qrow, Jaune, and Oscar. With the implications of him training at night, the fight with Qrow & Tyrian, and that small moment before the Nuck fight would have all linked up well to maybe have Qrow open up to Juane a bit and offer to train in the aura slash we see him try at night and that Qrow does against Winter and Tyrian. All because Qrow sees how Jaune wants/has improved when watching him and Oscar sparring but can see the gap in skill closing as Oscar inherits Oz's techniques but not aura reserves and control, being tied to the individual and take longer to train, as Oscar still tires out way before Jaune. Knowing this however with him being humbled by his own rushed training experience Jaune congratulates Oscar on his progress not letting slip his worries until Oscar goes to rest giving Qrow an opportunity to teach him how to use his abundance of aura and physical strength into a move that Jaune can do more often and possibly stronger than he does with time.
i was kinda surprised how oscar is getting over all the situation he's going through. living a life of a normal farm boy and all of a sudden he has a soul of a leader of a country shoved inside his head and went in fighting terrorists leaded by an immortal witch and almost beaten to death by them. if oscar was supposed to be in rwby, i'd say he should've been introduced much sooner than volume 4. for a character who became a new body of one of the most important character in the series(more than protagonist herself) it feels like he literaliy came out of nowhere. hell, just imagine how much it will be interesting if REN was the one who gets ozpin's soul. i mean his personal color is also green and we could at least get some more interesting story of him more than what we got.
Idk I like him more than 3/4s of Team RWBY. He's definitely more likeable. But I personally find the idea of a simple farm boy answering a call much greater than himself to help stop the forces of evil despite the fact that he's arguably the weakest of the group he follows. Plus he's the only one who's ever successfully tried something other than fight.. which was be diplomatic and just use his words to better a situation. I can't see Yang, Blake or Weiss doing that. Actually violence is usually the first thing they turn to. But I do think it's weird that he's constantly absent from so many moments of downtime. He has no connection with anyone aside from Ruby. Though an argument could be made that RWBY/JNR also more often than not, feel like work colleagues more than actual friends. I also don't think it's such a bad thing to give the guy's some power ups. They are honestly REALLY underpowered(on the heroes we side atleast). I honestly can't see Jaune, Ren or Oscar beating ANY of the women on either team in a one on one.
@@ZyroShadowPony Maybe but I personally think Yang would be the better choice for a diplomat in Team RWBY. Weiss’s earlier behavior pushed people away more often then not (and even after her character development she doesn't do all that much in the diplomacy department), so the only thing she has going for her is her now gone higher status. Yang seems to be the party girl and much more charismatic in the early volumes, and she's pretty much the only one with any social skills whatsoever.
@@ZyroShadowPony Which one, Weiss or Yang? Because I genuinely can't tell. But in any case you do have a point there, I was just pointing out that Weiss probably isn't the best choice due to her loss of status and her not really having much in the way of social skills. Yang definitely does have problems though due to her behavior later in the show but out of all the main cast she's probably the most qualified.
It would have been interesting if they had introduced Oscar in volume 4, and never explicitly said anything about him. We can just have him go on a journey, possibly imply that it was of his own choosing, have him say that "hey, he's always dreamed of going on an adventure, so why not?" Have him just be a secondary character for a season or two, making his way through remnants, possibly in the company of other people, so as to avoid making the audience too suspicious of him, and then show him doing something that he can do to support the other characters once he finally crosses paths with them. Either from there, he can integrate with the main cast and join them on their journeys and then reveal that Ozpin is inside of him, or he can split off to go do something else for another season before suddenly busting out Ozpin' fighting style in a serious moment and then revealing that Ozpin is there. Idk, they could've done so much better than this
If I changed Oscar's introduction I'd have him first appear in volume 3 as a Background character, visiting Vale for the Vital festive with his family, maybe have his parents killed by Grimm in the chaos(maybe the wyvern's offspring Grimm). Following that to volume 4 we see on working on the farm with his aunt, both still mourning friends and family members lost during the fall. Then we get Ozpin making himself known to Oscar, promising him answers if he goes to Haven. Ending things off with him meeting Hazel on the train, traveling togather for a little bit. There we have a boy's loss of innocence and a young Man's journey for answers.
Hopefully his backstory doesn’t read like a crappy abused main character fanfic and isn’t pushed back (Cinder’s backstory was meant to be in Volume 5 from what I understand) because of… reasons.
I like the idea of Oz always reincarnating into someone he knew in his previous body/life. It would link back to how the maiden powers are transferred and add to the horror of knowing you're going to probably body snatch and slowly erase someone you once cared for. Maybe there could even be a part where he admits he tries to find a piece of his daughters in the maidens since he believes a small piece of them must be making the hop along with the powers much like he would be.
I honestly would love if the whole past incarnation memories started to slowly intergrated in oscar own memories Like he slowly starts to have contradictions in his memories without even noticing it and his likes and dislikes slowly start to change and stuff
I think Ren being Ozpin's next vessel is a great idea. Especially since Monty originally was going to voice him but voiced Ren instead. Also, the part with Renora wouldve worked because his relationship with Nora would have been a big point for Ren not wanting to fade away.
You know what would have been a cute character trait for Oscar? What if he was kind of awkward around women. Like he grew up on a farm where the only woman he talked to regularly was his aunt, and now as a teenager he's being shoved into a group with 5 girls his own age, one of whom is really big on hugs. We could then get scenes where various characters kind of interact with that trait, like Ruby thinks he's just awkward while Yang thinks him being easily flustered is the cutest thing she's ever seen. Jaune and Ren could try to help him talk to girls, but then they realize that their experience with women is like 1 a piece as he really poorly flirts with Blake or Penny. It's at least a personality trait and one that's probably very relatable to a presumably majority teenage male audience.
That was sort of Jaune in Volume 1, with him being overconfidently flirting with the girls, but for Oscar he's super unconfident about it. Not to say I hate it though. More cute Oscar moments are always a plus.
@@salgutierrez4710 Oscar flirting with Blake would be fine if they also took the chance to add more hints of Blake being into Yang as she deflects Oscars flirting. Boom 2 for 1 characters interaction
@@moistfist1054 Nah, Jaune was more overconfident. I was picturing "easily flustered", like Oscar wouldn't walk up to Weiss with a guitar and star singing.
Literally! He honestly feels like he SHOULD be the protagonist since he has direct ties to the actual plot, but developing him too much would completely overshadow team rwby who the writers have been struggling to make relevant since the beginning
@@dylans.1741 in Rwby's campaign, she actually is proactive in what is happening while still being an excited 15 year old weapon geek. When she meets Yukiko and Hanamura from persona 4 she freaks out in excitement of facing a ninja and a geisha
Honestly, they could have easily avoided the exposition problem with Oscar by just throwing out a line where RWBY asks Oscar what he knows and have him say that Ozpin had been getting him up to speed on his Aura and anything else that’s important information so we don’t have to sit through the exposition. Then we can focus on the character. I may sound like a broken record, but Team JNPR should’ve been ‘dropped’ after V3. I never was really too attached to them and found the four girls stories interesting enough to follow for many seasons. The biggest let down as a character for me has to be Yang. She’s so inconsistent in her motivations and character traits, even from the beginning. She’s the party girl, but also the mom of the group that looks out for her baby sister. But she also ditched her baby sister on day 1. She has PTSD, then is suddenly cured, but then she’s not cause she still gets the shakes from time to time. She’s pissed at Blake, then not pissed at Blake, then pissed again, then suddenly likes her again. She wants no more lies and half truths, then is okay with telling Ironwood a lie and half truth. Despite him not giving her a reason to distrust him, especially since he’s the one that gave her her new arm. She all of the sudden doubts Ruby’s leadership and seemingly cares more about her cat girlfriends opinion of her more than her sisters. Like, fuck, make up your mind lady!
Yang also being the “party girl” never actually comes up in the series. Sadly Yang was only pissed at Blake because she kept putting her foot in her mouth, they never talk about Blake taking off, Yang just throws out some “it’ll take some time” spiel.
I was fine with JNRP on volume 4 since they got together with Ruby to do Huntsmen stuff, but I definitely agree they should've dropped at some point, to me it was after volume 5 finale.
@@thomasraines1396 that’s why I bring it up as a problem. RT constantly refers to Yang as ‘the party girl’ but we never see that. The “it’ll take time” spiel wasn’t stupid until RT fast-forwarded the time. Blake and Yang never talk or have any moments to hint that they’re moving past the drama between them. RT likes to do this a lot. They will show the start and finish of a character arc, skip the middle portion of the character arc, then act like they did the legwork to get us to the end of that character arc. It’s why this show feels so unsatisfying and why people constantly go “what?” When characters make desicions.
@@groynin that’s fair for V4. I’ve just been really confused as to why we have a second team to follow when we have a team full of underdeveloped protagonists that make up the title. I never liked it when Jaune took over the spotlight, not just because the Jaune Arc was probably the worst bit of writing I’ve ever seen (and im including the stereotypical bad fanfiction where the grammar is really bad) but because we never got development for our main characters.
"The chimeras" LOOOL, I read the manga and watched the anime and I completely forgot the chimeras existed. I had to do a double take because I was listening to this while walking. Dang, I'm due for a rewatch
Bro, I agree with everything critter said but I still totally feel you? How can he be so bland and personality-less and yet be so likeable at the same time?
I never thought it was a “boys need something cool” thing. Like, they aren’t worried about hitting demographics and using the toy line to keep the show on air (I think). I thought he would have fit nicely into Pierra’s place so Jaune could still lead a team of 4. But they failed in that too.
another idea that could have worked for oscar was to have him introduced in season 3 and give him some sort of development, like maybe him and his aunt were selling vegetables at the vitle festival or something like that. he could get caught up in the fall of beacon and team RWBY saved him during all that mess and maybe he lost his aunt in the fall so he was staying with ruby and yang and their dad for a short while. and like, have the development with oz like go super slow, make him think he's just going a little nuts but then slowly realises there's someone sharing his head space, and end season four on the cliff hanger that oz is back and he's in oscar's head
I feel like Penny is a good example for this situation, despite how much I love her. In the nicest way possible, why was she created? For the vytal festival? To be the protector of Mantle? Or just to add onto the dead characters that are considered a tragedy? Now I'm not saying she could've been replaced, but there was definitely another character who could've used more character development than her ://
I think they could hopefully fix this by giving Oscar, what Ruby's role was originally meant to be. A young person given and trusted with a lot of responsibility, if we never get to see him with the kid's, let's see him being uncomfortable at adult conversations! He's quite literally incapable of being a kid again, or relating himself to the other people around him because he's having to interact with people beyond his age group or even intelligence level, he's having to abandon his childhood already to be an adult. Make him incapable of wanting to speak his thoughts about Ozpin, because he's afraid to mess up and say something that he doesn't mean. Give us Oscar's journey where he's forced to grow up, and finds himself at odds with what he wants to do, and what he needs to do.
Rest easy with your fear about needing a male protagonist, I think there’s a much simpler explanation to why they added Oscar: they needed a main protagonist that Aaron Dismuke could voice. I remember back in the day a big deal being made over Mignogna being cast as Qrow, and equally I remember people going pretty crazy hearing he and Dismuke would be playing opposite each other again. Consider how much focus *that* pair of characters got over the series… until Volume 7 where Mignogna was replaced. Suddenly, it wasn’t as important to have the two in the same room anymore. No I’m more and more convinced it was just a play to say they brought back the original FMA Ed and Al to try and leach off a different fan base when their show was already struggling. I suspect otherwise it would have been Jaune to get Oz as it’d make the most ‘sense’ from their stand point with how they’d built him. Thanks for the shoutout, too! I really appreciate it!
Oscar, a whole new character created to share similar traits to Ozpin bit different enough to help Oz grow as a person with him being a kindhearted soul, makes way more sense then Oz reincarnating in a criminal mastermind that commits heinous crimes.
@@pedanticat9479 You act like Ozpin didn't do some shady shit during his reincarnations (not all would be good men he bodyhopped into) over the centuries. Especially when he had lived through and witnessed a lot of things that would make him do whatever it takes to stop Salem even if it seemed pointless in the long run due to his inability to kill her only delaying the inevitable. You can't fret over every egg to make an omelette Jack.
@@pedanticat9479 ok actually Celtic builds a great case for making Roman the new host and actually gives Roman a backstory its worth giving the rewrite a listen
@@pedanticat9479 There's a literal legend in world of remnant about how the fucking king of vale came with a sword and decimated hundreds of soldiers, and let the 4 main girls, two of them which are the cousins of one of his most trusted friends, into a devastated city they couldn't defend in the first place to look for a terrorist group Yeah, he and oscar. definetly are really similar, good thing they have a kindhearted soul, is not like Ruby Rose, the main fucking character of the series, can fulfill that role and be kindhearted with Oz while he is in Romans body, giving an interesting Dinamic between the honest pure soul and the shady point of view to the wizard Nope, we can't have that, oscar has to do all the Job, is not like Ruby can do anything or influence Oz in Anyway, she must stay there to sell volume 1 merch and sit there, not asking for her silver eyes for 3 volumes until a character we just introduced for that, thank god CRWBY decided to not make Ruby an active character and pick an interesting wild choice, and instead create another one that we dont know at all!
Not necessarily. People still talk about movies like the room and Miami connection. If a piece of media is interesting, people will continue to talk about it regardless of it's current quality, or potential.
I always felt like Oscar should've had more character growth (then again, that goes for a lot of characters). I like the idea of a farm-hand having big dreams of seeing the world outside of the little farm he's lived on, only to be given exactly what he asked for, but not in the way he thought it would be. In terms of something interesting/unique about the character, they could've made him a handyman of sorts: knowing his way around machinery and whatnot. But not being, exactly, leader material: he could have trouble socializing, is used to working alone, and is accustomed to shouldering the workload on their own. This could also serve as why Ozpin chose him because of these traits: a leader is often never fully understood, often has no equal to turn to, and often bears the most burden. Overall, I'd say that Oscar has the potential to be great character--though, that goes for practically every character in this series. Personally, I never really saw him as Ruby's love interest, but rather, a reflection of her: someone once innocent and naive now placed in a situation that is way over their head that has to persevere in order of obtain some semblance of who they once wanted to be. Though, that might be me being theatrical...?
Oscar feels like a self insert i would have come up with in middle school,. He comes out of nowhere, is powerful, is super important, and doesn't have any actual character or motivation.
@@moistfist1054 its understandable that people complain about Jaune over Oscar, cus Jaune is actually active in the story instead of just being present. Oscar is practically invisible in alot of the story
@@GTGAMERZ Thats is not enough to warrant all the hate he gets. And it’s not like he’s actually self insert when you think about it. Who in their right mind would portray themselves like that when you consider how Jaune acted at the start. Jaune, like most of the cast, was downright stupid even back then. The here comes oscar and no one bats an eye. It really sucks too because this character deserves so much better then that. I swear that if this character was a girl and written 100x worse then she would still be a fan favorite. Because it’s a girl. And why do they hate him. “Because there is too much Jaune fanfiction.” I just wish people would realize that they wore themselves out. They decided to click on it, read it, and kept doing it. I assure you that the same people who complained were the ones who spammed the hell out of those harem stories. If anything, being a character that can act on his own and is active is a good thing. Sadly he doesn’t even do that anymore. I just can’t wrap my head around how people act or think sometimes.
Funnily enough Oscar's my favourite character in RWBY honestly, he ticks so many boxes for me personally and has a lot of potential, but the other characters can be strangely disconnected from him and what he is going through despite him having some if the most upsetting and tragic moments and circumstances (JNR definitely feel much closer to him that RWBY, but still). I felt everyone reacting to first meeting him as 'Ozpin is back!' Was going to eventually develop into them seeing him as a kid in a tragic situation, not their former headmaster, but that doesn't seem to be the case or they haven't quite reached that realisation yet or something. The way they didn't keep an eye on him when Neopolitan was after them despite him being much younger and less experienced was hard to watch and feeds into the idea they see him as more experienced/capable than he is, and they lost the lamp because of that. There always seem to be distance between them, and no one noticing the recent changes happening in Oscar either is pretty sad. I am still holding out hope that it is planned (since there is stuff happening in the bg, and unexplained elements) that the characters are so wrapped up in their own stuff and everything else going on that they aren't noticing, and that the writers will get the relationships and reactions from the other characters in before it's too late. At least for me Oscar on his own is doing a great job at being an interesting, sympathetic character with a good story, but right now he just feels very alone in his struggles outside speaking to Ozpin (maybe Emerald as an outsider without a team of her own will focus on him more and maybe give him the long needed support). Edit: Also 100% agree on that lack of Ironwood confrontation at the end of the last volume, that was so disappointing :'D
It is hillariously ironic that the most compelling thing with Oscar is his fears about being another body and just a tool of Ozma when thus far that is what he really is in the meta narrative. He has little outside of being an Ozma incarnation yet. Still though, I like him better than all of Team RWBY barring Weiss.
The Title: "Let's talk about Oscar" My brain: "Let's talk about Bruno" Me: Oh sweet, another video about Encanto! Anywho, putting my apparent illiteracy aside, I was always so disappointed that we never got to see Oscar's development in the Pyrrha statue episode. I remember feeling sad during the Pyrrha scene, then when I saw that Oscar got a whole new outfit and everything I was more disappointed that we didn't see that. Then Blake and Yang are seemingly cool with each other later, even though they had a conflict back at the barn. We could've had scenes for Blake and Yang's development and Oscar's development, but nah, the statue was way more important.
There are little hints of friendship between Oscar and the others: like going to the movies with Jaune and Weiss or Yang casually leaning on him. It'd be nice to see more than that, but one could argue there's more evidence to it than friendships with, say, Ruby and Velvet. Fans routinely build up headcanons from these small interactions. Oscar should absolutely have more one-on-one interactions with the others to better demonstrate their bonds: unfortunately Volume 9 separated him from 5 of those potential character beats.
RWBY writes its relationships like a CW show: a good majority of the characters either never interact or only interact once or twice before going back to never speaking to each other or having any semblance of a relationship.
I do attribute basically all of Oscar's personality, (which we may not all argee exists but idc it's my opinion) to his voice actor. Who is just so fulk of personality! But even if you don't think Oscar has enough substance you still can't deny he has a better moral compass the every other character on the show. That's kinda sad. Also I really like you, Juan mentor idea! And, yeah, they never let our boy have *any* spotlight. Also I think making Oscar a lot like old Ruby and Juan is because they fricked up writing the other two.
I would love if Ozpin, was the last "Ozma". With Oscar being the one that, when mixed, comes out on top. Like a fight where Oscar just abjectly wins because his will to do the right thing trumps Ozma's will to do "wrong" and that tips the scale, to see oscar grow into such a potent person that when mixed with Ozma, the mixture comes out more Oscar then Ozma, and so when they die, the next incarnation isn't really becoming Ozma anymore, but instead becoming Oscar. But with how the reincarnation thing is phrased and how RWBY's writing is done... I don't think that will happen. Somethinge else they could do is have the god of lights "so you will never be alone" be literal in the most awesome way. where it's revealed Ozma never loses his connection with the lives before his new host, Oscar can't hear it at first normally, but behind Ozma is every person he has ever been one with, all their hopes, dreams, fears, love, trust, and memories. even there expertise. A sample of the many collective wisdoms of mankind, and not "mankind" throw some fanus in there too. The real mankind. Maybe even have Ozma not know it. Like a hidden reserve that can only be tapped into when all the magic and arua and will, and light of both of them is spent. Give me a naruto esqu scean of Ozma and Oscar in the place between their two connected souls, and have all that fall away to reveal a door, or a mirror, or something that when they open or look in it, they see and know all the lives touched by ozma over the eons, they get bequeathed the will, the resolve, the aura of ALL OF THEM. Make it a "we stand united" moment. Like, RWBY is often said to be "western anime". Earn the tittle. Own it.
19:14 is a perfect frame for the argument. The left side of the screen is the main cast of volume 8. They could fill my living room and just to do so would require putting all the furniture outside. A slight rant below about the cast on the whole, gets more detailed in the middle for no real reason. RWBY has too many people in the main cast. During volume 4/5 we had team RWBY, team JNR, Qrow, Sun and then Oscar. That was kinda it. Volume 5 added Blake's parents and some villains and the cast got larger and larger until the end of Volume 5 where it shrank to team RWBY, team JNR, Qrow and Oscar. It shouldn't have expanded after but then we got so many new characters. Maria was neat but a silver eyes exposition machine, something that even Qrow could have done. They could explain it by saying that summer mentioned it of hand when talking or training with Summer. This would have also allowed for some Qrow development, something we got but it was half baked at best and half assed at worst. Penny didn't need to come back just to die again. We didn't really need to meet Penny's dad. The ace ops could have been designated to side character only instead of trying to treat them as main cast. Ironwood and Winter I guess were needed since they were in atlas, they would be needed for the plot. Clover being the leader of the ace ops could still be there as is but with more development since the other ace ops would be treated as side characters/Ironwood's pawns. If this happened we would therefore limit the main cast to Ruby, Weiss, Blake, Yang, Jaune, Nora, Ren, Qrow, Ironwood, Winter, Oscar/Ozpin and Clover. I forgot Robin didn't I? She could have stayed an interesting side character and not been put in jail to team with Qrow. Qrow should be competent as is, he didn't really need a buddy in not so solitary confinement. (Plus if he did have one it could be Jacques(Don't think he would be useful but at least some development or interesing dialoguq could happen))
He really isn't a pointless character. He was vital to helping Oz grow as a person with him realizing he can't learn fear hold him back from fully trusting people and I doubt a lot of the scenes we got with him woukd have worked with any of the characters Critter suggested (the fact that she compared Oscar to Cardin made me facepalm)
@@pedanticat9479 Really? It wouldn't have been able to work with Jaune? The guy who's been fully against Ozpin and his lies? Oscar is a blank slate man, if it can work with him, it can work with anyone else.
14:53 YEEEEEEES. Love to see Celtic getting some love. His decision to make Oz *REDACTED* was so Genius that I audibly cheered during the after credit scene in his season 4 rewrite.
Honestly I do think you're right and I do also like Oscar's character, the worst part to me is that he didn't even get supplemental material, even though it's not an excuse for not giving a character in show screen time it at least makes me know more about characters like Team CFVY, SSSN, Roman, and Neo
The reason why I personally think they made Oscar a “New Character” was because he was pre planned. Hear me out. The creators did say originally that 1. Volume 9 was one of the earliest volumes to be conceptualized 2. Team JNPR wasn’t originally planned out until much later on. Taking my two points, if Volume 9 was planned out before most other volumes, that would likely mean Salem was planned. And who is Salems main target? Ozpin. Now I’m not saying that Oscar was directly planned but his concept may have been long before JNPR’s creation. Maybe instead of the Jaune being Ozpin idea was shafted by Oscar, maybe Oscar was always supposed to be, but when Jaune was created they were similar. I honestly think since Jaune was planned out later on, Oscar may have been given his role. But also upon realizing how similar they were, they took them on separate paths
I think the idea of Ozpin reincarnating and Salem and all that was pre-planned. Blake's book she was reading in volume one is obvious foreshadowing to this.
"Volume 9 was one of the earliest volumes to be conceptualized", do you mean that Vol.9 was supposed to be implemented as one of the earlier volumes, or that they planned the story up to volume 9? Because if it's the latter then I don't see how that would be true since there have been new inclusions to the show for every volume so if there was a planned route I think it has long deviated from it.
Pretty sure there's at least one fanfic in which Ozpin ends up in Roman's head... but I've always had the impression that Oz (and the maiden power, if/when it's random) gravitate toward the young. As for Oscar, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't put much thought into his character because he's just going to become Oz, anyway.
Honestly I think Oz would work well in King Arthur's story considering he was once a king, the crosses the outfits have, and the cane could be Excalibur. Only the true king could lift it from the stone like only Oz is allowed to wield the cane since it's been his and rightfully so for millennia. It would also work well with a holy spirit that spoke to Joan of Arc, a simple farm girl, to fight the war. RWBY takes a lot of inspiration from historical figures and their journeys, myths, fairy tales,stories, and other urban legends. It would be cool if some of them overlapped to help with the story. Ozma being the holy spirit, the cane being Excalibur, Ozpins past life being King Arthur, Ozpin being Oz, and after his "death" he guides Jaune or Joan of Arc to victory so that he may return home from a new world.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 the reason why she joined group is to find Oscar and ask him *WHAT IN NAME OF HOLY DUST HE THINK, LEVING BLIND WOMAN IN FARM ALONE*
This and "Amber was actually Gretchen and Hazel is angry at Ozpin for making her a Maiden" are my new headcanons. It's not hard to make new characters relevant and more compelling if you just connect them to existing ones. Maria could have kept her silver eyes a secret to protect Oscar, only for him to be roped into the conflict anyway and now she has to return to action, as it were.
@@SwitchbackCh also imagine tone of aunt and nephew moments we could’ve gotten. With Maria bashing Oscar for leaving farm without money. Imagine her telling him: “If you gonna run away, do it properly!” Or “Who in their right mind, run away on train!”
At this point Oscar is just a way to continue the fact that Ozpin is supposed to be the wizard of oz. He’s the green face and Ozma is the man, but now we’ve reached his “pay no attention to that man behind the curtain” moment, we know Oscar is just another face for Ozma and it feels like that’s how the characters feel too
18:06 so, something I noticed some time ago was that the definition for Ozma's power according to the wiki is that he reincarnates in 'a similar soul' or something along the lines of identifying themselves, its never actually specificied he only latches to males humans. Of course, all the past lives were men, but it's techinically not against the rules they set that he could hop to a female body as long as they had a similar mindset, which gives even MORE options for the 'next Ozpin' than just the boys there.
Potentially, though I imagine a "likeminded soul" would also probably include Ozma's preferred sexual orientation and gender identity. This is actually something the show has done really well in regards to the concept of "Show don't tell" .Rather than have Jinn or Ozma sit down and expressly say they can only reincarnate into men, they've just shown us various lives of Ozma and they are all men.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 The God of Light didn't specifically say that the curse would have Oz inhabit a body of a man every time he dies and reborns again. A likeminded soul can be man or woman.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 Yeah but imagine the reaction to an immortal male wizard in the body of a teenage girl . I can just see the carnage that would bring 💀.Also kind of spits in the face of the whole female protagonist thing they have going on ( barely)
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 Yes it is about Oz preferring to choose the bodies of males to keep himself consistent of his gender and orientation for centuries. I thought the curse by God of Light on Oz would be random and unpredictable which Oz would have to adapt and get used to it regardless of gender.
I love the fact that people can still like Oscar despite having no personality just because he’s nice, this is why you gotta be a good person man, even if you’re one note you can at least be nice.
Ren being ozpin reincarnation is an interesting idea where he is in a situation where he doesn't know what to do. Where all his life and memories will eventually go away. He may keep his calm demeanor on the outside but inside he is panicking at this idea. Nora is basically devastated with the knowledge her long time friend and sort of confusing love interest will eventuallybe gone merging into her headmaster. Jaune is basically in conflict since he blames ozpin for putting prryha in the crosshairs but is also is scared for his friend who has no way of stopping the ozpin from taking over. It would of made ren much more interesting seeing him going through that. It's a good excuse for him to interact more with team rwby. Lord know we need more characters interaction between them
so lemme rewrite him: His song is called „fear“ so let‘s make him a character who‘s scared of the adventure in the beginning and not just scared of being a vessel. He‘s a really bad fighter who can‘t protect himself and the others have to teach him. More than in just one stupid scene. This would give the other characters time to show what they‘ve learned, Oscar the chance to grow and overcome his fear and Odcar and the others the chance to become actual friends. Then in the Ruby and Oscar scene he describes how he was always hiding from problems and others have solved them for „the little kid“ Ruby could give him hope. Then he would also have something connecting him to Blake: Hiding from problems. They‘d have something to talk about too. Next is Yang. She was like a mother to Ruby in earlier seasons and Oscar could remind her of a younger Ruby and she wants to be a mother to him too especially because he didn‘t have a mother too (we don‘t know but i think so) His arc is to overcome his fear and face the threats, at the end of Vol 5 he proves what he has learned in the fight with Leo, but he realises he must get better because he couldn‘t handle Hazel. In Volume 8 where he faces Hazel and Salem and destroyes the whale he‘d prove that he‘s not scared anymore. There we have it.
Honestly, Tsukune, atleast in the manga, did really important aside from the harem plot. For anyone who's read the manga all the way through, you know what I mean. (Spoilers ahead) Ya know, like mastering his powers as a ghoul, and being a first ancestor due to Mokas blood, and also, helping to defeat Alucard. Becoming the next headmaster of Yokai Academy, though it was only stated that Tenmei chose him to succeed him.
The writers made Oscar for the same reason they made Maria. They had a problem in the story that they were not creative enough to give an answer to. The writers didn't know how to direct the main characters to the next destination or explain what the grand master plan was. With the death of Oz, they kind of forgot that there wasn't an established character that could lead team Ranger or help progress the main plot line to the characters eventually meeting Salem. Qrow could have handled this easily but they made a new character for this. Then after that purpose was fulfilled they dropped him just like Maria
There's quite a few established characters Ozpin could've reincarnated into, several of them protagonists, maybe even one or two viable Oz-host options being villains (Maybe even the old shopkeep is viable . . .kidding) But really, Oscar, as endearing as he may be as a character, he's just a vessel for Ozpin and not really allowed to be his own person that much, uh, well outside of being other people's punching bag that is. Jaune might've been an interesting choice I guess, and as to his "Self-insert" nature, I think that arose more from the fanfiction world since there are a lot of OP Jaune fanfics out there, though I do think there is something to Jaune being a self-insert in the later volumes, not so much the early ones.
Honestly knowing how Rooster Teeth operates all of Oscar’s off screen character development is being saved for there next supplemental material project being a manga, novel or whatever, so we will need to buy it to ever find out.
I've been reading a lot of comments and I've noticed one very peculiar thing. A lot of people keep making mention of how Oscar is pretty much going to be overwritten by ozpin sooner or later. And I don't know if my knowledge of the show is Rusty but where do they ever basically say that is 100% going to happen? They show that this is a fear of oscar's and Qrow, while drunk and pretty much downtrodden because of what they found out, off-handedly mentions it in a bitter way. Beyond those instances I legitimately cannot remember any significant, concrete, solid proof that Oscar will be overwritten when Ozpin fully merges with him. To me it seems more like they're implying that when Ozma merges with a like-minded soul it's more like every experience that made up the previous person melds with the current person. Yes they get their memories and experiences and knowledge, along with subconscious and even instinctual muscle memory of certain things, but the personality of the current iteration is not completely overwritten. Maybe a few personality traits are carried over but the next person, in this case oscar, will still be at his core oscar. He'll have the memories of every iteration before him and access to all of his experiences, but he will still be oscar. I compare this to the Avatar from Avatar last airbender. Each iteration was technically the same person and they can over time gain memories and experiences from their previous lives but each individual Avatar was completely different. Maybe they had similar quirks and personality traits but at their core, while the same person ultimately, they are individually different people. I don't know food for thought. Like I said this is from my, admittedly rusty, knowledge of the show since I haven't gone back and watched volume four through six in a while. If they ever did outright state that Ozpin will overwrite Oscar completely in the show please tell me where they did and maybe even link me a clip so I can see it myself. But if they never did outright confirm that Oscar will be no more when Ozpin fully merges with him then a lot of people really need to cool their jets and wait until that event inevitably happens to see who is left. Ozpin, Oscar or maybe a mix of both. Considering it seems to me they might be hinting at a possible relationship between Oscar and Ruby that goes further than friendship I'm more in the category that Oscar will still be at his core himself.
I’m fairly confident that the general concept of Ozpin being either immortal or someone who reincarnates was around from the beginning of RWBY. Monty had mentioned that all the names in RWBY related to a color except for Ozpin for reasons and that the color naming came out of the Great War in Remnant if I recall. That said I don’t think they wanted to “lose” a member of the main cast again so soon after Pyrrha so they created Oscar.
Some thoughts on his development and character: The writers have definitely not done as well as they could. Oscar does have character, if you look at how he has changed and how these monologuing scenes from other characters have effected him. Volume 5 did do him dirty because it was mainly Oz taking over, but we see in his scene with Ruby that he is scared and never wanted to be a huntsman, but since he doesn't get to decide anymore he has to try his best. IF they take this and run with it, they could emphasize his frustration that his choices have been taken from him. His scenes with many characters include him chilling in the background but he obviously doesn't enjoy speaking up or questioning those who have more experience than him. I am deeply upset that we got no Oscar screentime in vol 6 for his development after Jaune yelled at him. Take out Jaune's conversation with his sister, and take out some of Ruby's conversation with Maria in the episode beforehand, and you have time for a solid scene. I hope now that team RWBY and Jaune are separated from Emerald, Oscar, and Renora, (and Qrow is separated too), that we see him grow into his struggles more. I hope he and the rest of them freak out as though their friends have died and Oscar looses some of his optimism, I mean Ruby was his closest friend and primary love interest, he should be hurting. Also, as far as we know, Oscar hasn't lost people before. This should be huge for him, and I hope they deliver. Some things about Oscar: He is optimistic, strategic, anxious, but also brave, persuasive, and he hasn't even figured himself out yet, most 15 year old's don't quite know who they are. Also, he is trusting.
Honestly, I love the ideas of Jaune, Qrow, or Torchwick being the next Ozpin. Jaune because it would truly fit his Joan of Arc inspiration with hearing Oz in his head and gaining his abilities to help protect his friends better, to ensure none of them die like Pyrrha did, from him not being strong enough to be trusted to fight alongside her in his mind. That she rather fight alone and die trying to save him from the fate she chose herself, than risk dragging him with her into a fight she wasn’t sure she could win. Only to find out, Ozpin’s knowledge, advice in his head, and abilities all come at a terrible price. And there is nothing he or Ozpin can do about it, it’s going to happen just as it had with all of his precious hosts. To become part of the Ozma collective. Qrow would be more mentally ready to do what he must, but it would make him feel sorrowful knowing he would cease to exist as himself, never to enjoy Ruby’s bright optimistic and innocent world view and her adoration of him, never again to enjoy his mischievous trouble making headstrong niece that Yang has become, and despite how they protest this from happening and want to save him… Qrow knows there is nothing he can say to assure them. Putting them at severe odds with Ozpin for putting their Uncle Qrow into this position, as well as even Raven hating his guts. Bad enough Summer died in his war, but he is taking her brother too? Wearing HIS face, using HIS voice to speak to her? I don’t care how bad off they are, they seemed to have some level of care for each other and I know Raven would be furious about this happening to Qrow. God only knows how Taiyang would take it. Let alone Winter and Ironwood as while not close to Qrow did have respect for him as a huntsman and a fellow comrade against Salem. Roman Torchwick, would be interesting to see and now I NEED to see how the Criminal Mastermind and thief of Vale changes his way to trying to saving the world because Ozpin is in the pilot seat. How would Neo take this? Would she join Salem in some vain attempt at getting back her Torchwick who was basically her world? Or would she protect Ozpin because he still has what little by little is remaining of her dear friend/father figure/potential love interest?/boss? It leaves a lot up in the air and it’s clear these two are close in ways only Roman and Neo truly understood. I do love JPDE’s style of explaining their bond in Neo’s route though, I highly recommend checking it out to anyone reading this! There are TH-cam videos for JPDE in all sorts of routes, including Neo. Before anyone bitches, Yang is bi sexual because in Volume one she was not only checking out guts at Beacon’s “huge slumber party”, but clearly finding them sexually attractive. Lesbians DON’T find men sexually attractive, they’re attracted to women. Blake is Bi too, she dated Adam, could have been with Sun as Monty was clearly going for in the first three volumes, but was pushed to Yang because of Roosterteeth after Monty died because they’re partners and partners need to get together for most cases. Heck, when Sun and Blake was about to head their separate ways, it was clear Blake didn’t want Sun to go. She had some feelings for him and felt they was saying goodbye. More like Roosterteeth was purposefully trying to sink their ship to give Yang a better chance, but she was right in a sense. Another idea of Monty’s changed by those jerks… Just look at Ren and Nora or Jaune and Pyrrha if you don’t believe me. They even tried pushing Weiss with Ruby for this! Despite the fact Weiss never blushes when Ruby holds her close, complements her, or gets jealous from guts like Jaune or Oscar getting close to Ruby at all. Weiss treats her like a friend and her leader, her partner in a PROFESSIONAL sense! But nope, the LGBTQIA just LOVE to keep insisting they are together. Penny has better odds than Weiss for crying out loud! So basically, Blake is Bi, she has shown an interest in guys. She even blushed because of Sun in volume three when calling him a dork as he was celebrating his victory over team NDGO when Yang teased her about him. Yet, she also shows interest in women too, her time with Illia is proof enough and of course the elephant in the room, YANG. So yes, Blake is Bi. Next is Weiss, she is at least straight as she shown romantic interest in Neptune as he flirted with her, wanted to go to the dance with him, and even got jealous as he flirted with the ladies of Team NDGO. But for the sake of argument yo her liking ladies, which she shows little evidence of, she is protective of Ruby and cares for her feelings and well being. A friend does that, but I know how they hard core press ships like this, so I am trying to give them the slight benefit on this. End result? Weiss is Straight with a possibility of being Bi Sexual. Yang is definitely Bi Sexual, and Blake is Bi Sexual. Because Lesbians DON’T, I repeat, DO NOT, find men sexually attractive or want to pursue romantic interests in them! Blame Monty if you must, but deal with it. As for Ruby, she really shows little romantic desires for anyone yet, acting more like a Shonen Hero from a manga in the sense she is fighting for her friends and what she believes is right. Much like Izuku from My Hero Academia, but blushes a lot less and doesn’t stutter from being too close to someone from the opposite sex. And NO she hasn’t stuttered from being held in Weiss’s arms yet. So don’t try that bullshit. I paid attention. JPDE is more than just a self insert, it’s a great story with different direction in how the events of Beacon arc can play out with new characters that encourages the possibility of Polyamory relationships and even gay relationships depending on if you go the Nora and Ren route or Coco and Velvet route. Each has their own unique a endings being created that is honestly a treat to watch and I feel if you approach it with an open mind, a lot of people can love this! But I can’t make any of you do anything, these are my thoughts and feelings on this. So give it a try, if you wish, and decide for yourselves.
A funny idea came to mind after watching this. Imagine, just like Team RWBY did for Penny, they did the same for Oz and just separate the two to have their own bodies. Literally would get rid of the need for Oscar to be there and solve the issue of Oscar being taken over. LITERALLY an easy fix and they would have a new way for him to be able to handle things. I really like the idea of Jaune becoming Oz's vessel too. I mean, it there were skilled and powerful characters throughout Remnant before Oz too so it stands to seem that it wouldn't be too far fetched.
I cant lie, having just watched this video and your critique of volume 8, its really becoming clear to me why this show so quickly fell off my radar after the last volume. The writing has just completely failed at making me REALLY CARE about whats going on, with anyone. Even my favourite characters. I dont hate the show, but I have the feeling a lot of people are like me in that they keep watching because we know how great this story COULD be, even though it constantly teases and disappoints fans like me who aren't watching soley to vicariously live through romantic subplots. Thanks for clearly articulating my feelings for me about this show on your channel.
... Here's a question. What's that thing he wears around his neck? Are they bandages? They look like bandages. He had them on the farm, he had them once he got the jacket. That could have been used for interesting characterization. What's he hiding under that thing?
Yeah, those bandages are really interresting! I read a lot of Oscar & Ozpin fanfics and they always do SOMETHING with them. Most of the time it's wounds he got from the attack he lost his parents in, but it's at least somthing.
I think with the example of the chimera characters in FMAB is that those characters are important characters in that arc of the story but are still supporting characters, while Oscar is a main character. FMAB imo is a masterclass on using side/supporting characters feel like main characters
Honestly, Oscar just seems to highlight a more endemic problem about the cast overall on the protagonist side. The majority don't feel like actual characters just really barebones archetypes. Even the relationships between characters aren't really explored to really care about them. Again with a few exceptions. The exceptions being Jaune, Weiss, BY, RW, and JNR. Jaune gets the good meaty stuff that actually attaches audiences to a character and develops him. It's basic stuff, and for those familiar with anime you can follow the beats. It's not high grade refined stuff like Deku or Tanjiro but the basic recipe is there. Weiss was similar to that, the jerk that learns to be a person. Again, standard stuff. The problem is they clearly don't know how to develop her beyond that phase so now she's gone flat like the others. Everyone else might as well be cardboard. For being the titular team name I don't feel RWBY was some sort of tight group that was tragicly torn apart by "fate". It feels like it was just there to justify the title. The audience only felt two relationships from the resulting group of four. The more organic feeling one was JNR with more content to actually show that, yes, it's a tight knit group. If the original plan was to make Jaune Ozpin's new vessel not only would that have neatly tied alot of threads together, it would've been a much easier justification to explain why he got sucked into the main plot of S9. Instead now they either have to write a whole other reason why he had to be there.
It probably was meant to be Jaune. It would’ve also given team RNJR a purpose instead of just killing a grim. Not only would have fit Joan of Arc’s “voice in my head” scenario, but also the inspirational half too. In her story Jeanne was a firm believer in god, followed her beliefs in blind faith and inspired her followers. Ozpin was similar. Not only was he a kind man in his original life, but Professor Port at the very start said to Weiss that he believed in Ozpin’s judgment completely and he’s never steered him wrong. Jaune was supposed to be the next inspirational figure who people can unconditionally believe in. Someone who worked his way up from nothing and the light at the end of the tunnel in a world full of creatures of darkness.
Juane being a host for Ozpin makes sense, considering how Ozpin allows him to enter Beacon with Forged documents. Was weird why he allows that unless he knows that he will be the next host for him.
That'd be fun. Qrow having more creative uses with Oz's magic other than turning into a bird. Oz can even help him control his Semblance and redirect it at his enemies, not indiscriminately hit allies
12:52 another easy out is just make it so ozpins power transfers him to someone he knows/mentored, which could be an interesting plot thread; of the reason why he trains people is not for them but for himself. you can shift oz to be vengeful, trying to get the best host to kill salem or make his power a refection of his (new) personality of manipulative parasite. thus, giving a possibility of salem being the good person trying to stop oz (bad guy) from getting the relics in a terrible plot twist.
Like at least they try bring new characters in Rwby and Oscar should have character development but it's not like Oscar is characterized as farmer neither a haunts men, the filmmakers made Oscar as the next Ozpin or Ozma
This also could have been solved from the other end: Oscar could have been on one of the other, more minor teams like CRDL or Coffee (I don't remember the acronym). Honestly, there could have been a really interesting story with Oscar being the token good teammate on Cardin's team. Hell, you could have stuck him on Sun's team, his other two teammates besides Neptune have no personality anyway. Introducing Oscar earlier would have given him a chance to be his own person, instead of Ozpin's sock puppet. He could have gotten likes and dislikes, he could have interacted with the team. Wouldn't it have been awesome if he formed a close friendship with, say, Jaune, and then in the aftermath of Season 3, he suddenly starts hearing this voice in his head? The voice of the guy his best friend hates with a passion?
I hadn't considered the boy superpower angle until you brought it up. Oscar just felt so... bland that it doesn't feel like he HAS powers. Does he have his own semblance? And like you said, it's he ANYTHING besides Ospin's next flesh puppet?
Nope, as far as I am aware, he hasn't discovered his Semblance yet. Because I think that green Shield he projected was just Ozpin's Magic. Better Question: Does *Penny* have a Semblance? She has a Soul and Aura, so therefore she should have a Semblance. But her Soul comes from her Father, so would Penny have her Dad's Semblance or would she get a completely unique Semblance because she is her own Person?
@@johannesseyfried7933 ig she would have her dad's semblance only bc she's just basically a robot fueled by his aura. Idk tho bc she qualified for madian powers which feels kinda odd. A guys aura in a hunk of metal that looks like a girl qualified. 🤷🏾♂️
I think one of the main reasons they made Oscar is somewhat like you said where they did a combination of both of John and Ruby in a character but I think they also did it because they didn't want to put eyes on a character we already knew or wanted to get to know because eventually their life would be taken away from them by us even if Oscar still stays himself which I think over the next few volumes will get more of Oscar and learn about him like you said we didn't learn anything about him yet but I like to point out we didn't really learn anything about Nora 12 Volume 8 where we learned her mom abandoned her and that's how she ended up in rains village we at least know that Oscar lived in a small farming village maybe with his aunt and maybe the writers at some point will add up on his story from there I think at best Oscar is one of those characters they bringing at the end of a series and they slowly build on his character and by the end you fully like him and I think one of the main reasons they haven't fully flushed him out yet is because they're afraid that if they have many episodes focused on Oscar like they did with John and volume one fans would be upset about it
Suddenly I see an amazing twist if Oscar was just gathering information. I know they can't do it but imagine if a character being bland was on purpose.
I think Oscar was introduced because show liked having Jaune in that role of "regular relatable kid who grows in strength and learns from much cooler characters around him" so much that it had to create a whole new character for it all over again
That is indeed what I find appealing about oscar, as many have probably said: I'd love to see him gain power and be himself but right now he's mostly along for the ride.
Amusing given they at the same time reverted Jaune back to useless so they build him up again without Pyrrha...
@@johnfroh6774 I don't think jaune was nerfed, but he certainly wasn't as useful as he would like to be
I doubt thats the answer considering how much everyone hates Jaune. lol.
@@jonnjones8263 well if everyone hated Jaune then he wouldn't get such big roles in the show, even now he's with the main characters in a new place. The writers love Jaune, a lot of people like Jaune. I hope other characters get focused on tho.
One problem CRWBY has, is that when they write characters, they do it with one thing in mind. One thing that must be done, so they make a character for that.
The problem of that is, that once they have done that one thing, CRWBY doesn’t know what else to do with them.
So they just stand around doing nothing, until they (maybe) get one other thing to do in another season.
So, rather than getting all they can out of the existing cast, they just keep inventing new characters.
It’s as if you bought a new mug, whenever you want a drink.
You could just clean the ones you already have and reuse them, but you’re to lazy to do that and instead just clutter your kitchen with useless mugs
YES. 100%
This is a point I plan on covering sometime in the future in regards to RWBY's "cast is too big" problem, and the best examples I have to really hammer this home is Sun and Cardin.
"We want a bully character!" So here's a stereotypical bully.
"We want a cool guy character!" So here's a stereotypical cool guy.
The problem only gets worse when it comes to their teams. Since they were designed with only 1 character trait in mind, the rest of their teams tend to just be the same exact thing.
Cardin is a bully, so here's his team of other bully's.
Sun is a cool guy, so here's his team of cool guys.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 it’s also a big part of the reason, why many of their characters tend to overstay their welcome and feel useless. Even main ones,
Blake is just there, so that a Faunus with the White Fang plot can happen. Once that’s done she has nothing to do.
Same with Yang. Who has her arm cut off, so that revenge plot can happen.
Ren and Nora exist so that they can fall in love.
Oscar exists, so that reincarnation can exist.
And once they did that, they had nothing to do for a while, because they weren’t made with anything else in mind.
Until Yang and Blake could be Bumblebee and Ren could get angry at Ruby.
It’s a big flaw of the writers.
It feels like a CW show a vast majority of the characters are just “there” until they’re given something to do following that they go back to just being “there”.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 Yeah, RT is really bad with making composite characters. Being forced to give any remotely interesting character a team is a hindrance too, as now they have to allocate resources to making 3 other cardboard cutouts to justify the inclusion of the character they actually wanted to use.
@@frankwest5388 Over specialization AND over repeition
Fun fact: In Encanto, Bruno was supposed to be called Oscar. But the composer changed because Bruno sounded better in the lyrics. So, we almost don't talk about Oscar.
I can see that, and tbh, Bruno rolls off the tongue better.
we don't talk about oscar, car, car, car
After watching: Jaune being the new Ozpin would have made sense. The whole point of Joan of Arc the character Jaune is based on, was that she heard the voice of a spirit in her head and went out to War. Not to mention, Jaune is a character that always dreamed of being a Hero, so the idea of him possessed by the greatest Hero who ever lived, aka the original Hero is a great twist because he'd get his dream but realize it's not all its cracked up to be. He finally gets exactly what he wants only with the huge downside of him having to come to terms with his mind being erased. It's a solid story with an established character, that also fits into the character's motivation, the mythology of the character's inspiration, and provides a great character arc and internal conflict. Imo this is so perfectly set up I'm convinced that they scrapped it at the last minute and had to invent Oscar in a hurry.
Don’t forget that Jaune of Arc was just a simple farm girl and had no real training as a soldier. If they edited that part of Jaune’s backstory he’d fit right in.
Is it confirmed that Jaune is based off of joan of arc or is it just speculation?
@@nix4184 Thats been confirmed since Volume 1. lmao.
@@nix4184 yeah it's actually really funny, if you look at the trivia in team JNPR wikipedia pages you'll find that all of them are based on crossdressers
@@jonnjones8263 Okay. Lmao.
Its ironic. Oscar's biggest fear is that he is nothing more than a vessel for the next Ozma incarnation. That all his personality & character will be overwritten and that his relationshops & development shall mean nothing, in the long-run. Is this not how the story treats him? Someone who has no character other than being a blank slate, the next vessel for Ozma and (arguably) a love interest for Ruby.
Sometimes I really wonder what the writers think because Oscar being created to be Ozma's next incarnation has made the whole "I don't wanna be the next incarnation" dilemma makes it so hard to feel bad for Oscar because the merge is the only place his story can go there's nothing else to look forward to with Oscar's character It's incredible the writers want us to care about Oscar and his situation when the writers don't seem to care enough about Oscar to give him anything to do besides merge with Ozpin
@@brianford4914 Oh definitely. There are no other motivations or goals that Oscar (specifically) has. I get the point was that he was thrusted into the conflict but he wanted for nothing beforehand, so it is difficult to care about anything else with him. The blank slate-ness has left him empty and with no reason to care about him. I'd argue that most of the main cast have nothing to do, other than fight off Salem. Blake killed Adam & restored the White Fang. Yang got over Raven. Weiss took down Jacque and Atlas fell. A large chunk of the cast now having nothing to do, in the main story. This means that Oscar will have to fight for screen time, for anything other than the merge.
@@pickyphysicsstudent201 I thought he wanted to be a huntsman? Or at the very least, he had some aspiration for wanting to see more of the world than the farm he was raised on?
That could've been a good character for him: a person who gets what they wished for, but not in the way they envisioned it to be.
If I may, I think there's a misunderstanding. If and when their souls perfectly merge, Oscar won't be overwritten by Ozma. Rather, Oscar will just inherit Ozma's memories and abilities. Basically, Oscar will still be the same; same personalities and interests, but have Ozma's memories, mannerisms, fighting prowess, and magical abilities.
The most annoying thing about oscar he's so repetitive and predictable his character Is constantly out on repeat its fitting people ship him with ruby cause she's a monotonous nothing character they deserve each other
I find it so weird that the ONLY one who cares that Oscar might cease to exist is Oscar himself. When they heard Ozpin's past NO ONE was like "Is Oscar gonna be okay?" It's so telling that the only one who brings up the merge is Oscar. It's another reason I don't really like the heroes because they say they're friends with him but they don't really seem to care about his well being. Like it would honestly make the show more interesting to have the other characters care about Oscar's merge with Ozpin. Maybe they would think of plans to separate the two like, asking the lamp if there's a way to stop the merge or using the staff to do some Penny shit and put Ozpin in a new body. Hell, I even had a theory that the relic of destruction may be able to destroy souls and maybe it can be used to like erase Ozpin's soul but no the merge is solely Oscar's problem and it's so weird because it feels like everyone just doesn't care and just sees the merge as inevitable.
Tfw you bleed your heart out to your comrades about how your life is about to basically come to an end when you're only a kid as you've been forced to abandon your home to save the world against Satan, your mind is slowly being absorbed by an amalgamation of a millennium old wizard meaning that your personality will soon be irreversibly replaced, said wizard is also the exhusband of Satan, and all your comrades sorta hold hate for you because of the wizard in your head, but despite all the pain that you're gonna go through you're still willing to help. But then your comrades ignore everything about what you said except for the help part.
IDK how Oscar doesn't just fucking give up and make Ozpin do all the work because fuck that noise.
The worst thing is, I have a feeling that some magical solution on how to disconnect Oz & Oscar is gonna come about and in that moment *Suddenly* Team RWBY cared and has always cared about preserving Oscar’s personality in his own body and (god forbid) killing Ozpin or (hopefully) giving Ozpin a new body to inhabit that is all his own they just talked about off-screen
He really does feel so outside of the group despite the fact that he’s in the worst position out of all of them… they’re really unlikable people I swear lol. Kid is basically on death row, takes most of the visible beatings, was ignored by the group and only ever apologized to by Jaune and is constantly ragged on by the fanbase because he isn’t a cute girl. (Cmon let’s be honest, if he was, he’d have a much larger fanbase.. look at Neo)
Honestly with the show establishing you can just give someone a new human body it basically removes all the drama of Oscar's mind being merged with Ozpin. They literally could have just gotten a new body for Ozpin and it would have been far more beneficial to just let Ozpin have a new body so he can do his Ozpin things while Oscar gets to keep his mind. Hell it might have even been a big help in talking to Ironwood even if they were assassinating his character in Volume 8 cause Ozpin himself might be able to talk to him better than anyone else. But that thought probably didn't even cross the minds of the writers at all given that they seemingly created the whole plot point of the staff to get Penny a human body and create the portals and force a situation where Volume 9 happened.
I actually think having Ozpin inhabit Jaune would have been such a good character choice. It would have happened back when the "Jaune is a self insert" stuff was pretty limited (not non-existent, but it's certainly grown with each passing season), it would have kept the the teams shorter, and it would have been such a good twist reveal in the middle of a tense but otherwise listing arc. Most importantly, it would have given two of our main male leads HUGE beef.
Picture this; It's season 4, we have the Jaune training in the woods scene, but, instead of just his normal swordplay, he exhibits some strange extra abilities. Ruby notices, and is concerned, but doesn't bring it up because she was spying on him, so she just goes back to bed. We also get an establishing shot that Qrow also sees it, so that will come into play later. Fast Forward to the Tyrian fight. Jaune pulls off some semblance move no one can explain, which saves the group but also confuses them, except Tyrian who laughs like he knows something the party doesn't (hell, in the original scene, Tyrian says that Jaune specifically interests him. What if he recognizes something about the aura pattern that tips him off this *could* be an Ozpin "echo" [we'll get to that distinction later]). Qrow dives in to save the party, episode proceeds as normal, Qrow explains a bunch of stuff as usual, and he keeps giving Jaune funny looks, but he's too ill to explain more.
Later, Qrow goes down to poison, and Jaune and Ruby help carry him to the village where they get attacked by the Nuckelavee in Kuroyuri. The fight is already pretty stacked, but at one point Jaune loses his sword and, in a moment of desperation, grabs Ozpin's staff from Qrow's unconscious body. Surprisingly, he does pretty well with it, taking it up effectively first with his shield, and then later duel wielding with his sword, shield on his back to block attacks with his motions. It's almost like a totally different character (heerheerheer) is fighting, and in the end Jaune collapses and no one really has time to question him about it as the Airship shows up and they all pile into it.
The end credit scene for that episode is Jaune, feeling better, visiting Qrow, feeling "better," to give him the staff back, which ends with him closing his hand around Jaune's and pushing the staff back towards him, saying. "No, you hold on to it. He's gonna want to have it close by when he starts coming back." This is going to lead to a confused and surprised look from Jaune, and then smash-cut to black.
Season 5 now has Qrow explain that there are tons of people in Remnant who carry an "echo" of Ozpin (i.e, Ozma), the first wizard (which we learn later isn't actually true). When Oz dies, those echoes resonate for a moment, and then his soul finds its way to one of those echoes and begins to merge with it. It's not always the closest, or the strongest, or even one Oz knows, but he does seem to have some minor influence over it; usually it relates to someone he has a serious emotional connection to. For some reason, he was deeply emotionally connected to Jaune at that moment, and while we don't know why, eventually Ozpin will resurface in Jaune's mind (like they have with Oscar), and after some time the roles will switch, with Oz taking the lead and Jaune remaining as a presence in his mind. After a few more years, the two will end up as one mind, joining the many others that make up Oz. Obviously, Jaune isn't happy about the idea of becoming Oz, or losing control of himself, or all this magic stuff. What's worse, he can't think of a single thing that would connect them, because he is secretly harboring a huge resentment to him... it is revealed here that Jaune blames Ozpin for Pyrrha's death. Not alone, obviously, he hates Cinder as well, but if not for all this destiny stuff she might still be alive, he feels.
This is our major conflict leading into the next few seasons, as far as the Oz/Jaune arcs are concerned. Jaune harbors resentment to a returning Oz, but the magic and the combat skill he gains by letting Oz take the wheel are important to Jaune, who has wanted to get stronger for a long time. Once the true history of Oz comes out, it's actually Jaune, who is separated from Ren and Nora (we also lose Weiss here, for reasons I will explain in a minute) who beats himself up because he is trying to find a way to hurt Oz, leading to the team and Qrow watching in confusion and horror as he screams Oz into submission. We then get Ruby, Jaune, Maria, Qrow, Blake, and Yang travelling through the snow, and we emphasize each of the girls present, and Qrow, getting the chance to talk to Jaune, as well as Ruby, about Oz's deception and what it means for their goals in the future.
This culminates with Ren taking Jaune's place in attacking Jaune/Ozpin when they get to town, the truth causing his normally calm demeanor to snap and leading to the start of the friction between him and Jaune in the Atlas Seasons. We also get Weiss being *IN* the town for a couple days, trying literally everything she could before the rest of RWBY arrived to get them to Atlas, and being blocked at every level by all kinds of issues; someone is deliberately blocking their attempts to get back (this later turns out to be Adam, using White Fang resources to tie up their channels, to force them to act rashly and open his shot at Blake, making him slightly more menacing before he dies). That also makes their "we have to steal an airship" plan marginally less insane.
Lastly, we have the big Pyrrah statue scene, but instead of random red-head showing up, it is a chance for Ozpin and Jaune to talk, leading to the reveal that what brought them together was the loss of someone dear to them; for Jaune, it was Pyrrah, and for Ozpin, it was the Autumn maiden. He failed her, just as Jaune felt he failed Pyrrah, and that moment of defiant sadness was what cause their souls to resonate. In the end, Jaune doesn't accept that he will merge with Ozpin, but he does forgive him for Pyrrah, and he expects Oz to actually be open with him, if they are going to make this work, somehow.
However, I also do really like Celtic Phoenix's Roman idea. I had only considered Jaune right now, after you brought it up, and just had to get my ideas for it out of my head. Great video, great dive into the topic, can't wait for the next one ^.^
I really like that it feels like a actual arc for a character. How I see the arcs in the series are: things happen, they maybe mentioned once or twice and then they just sort of end. Another problem I feel is that by and large a good majority of the characters just feel kind of “there” in that they could be replaced by bags of rice and nothing would really change.
Celtic’s idea to have Roman be Oz’s next host was good as not only does it tie into Ozpin’s (supposed) moral grayness but Roman actually has charm.
Gotta love RWBY fandom
One of the few examples where the fandom is more interested in compelling stories and characters than the whole writing stuff.
Anyways, great comment, interesting plot ideas
There was a fanfic called "The Girl With Two Souls" where Yang is the host of Ozpin as the curse by God of Light didn't say Oz can only inhabit male bodies and the likeminded souls applies to the females too as well.
And that Yang didn't get tainted by Raven's bias and decided to go out on her terms and help Ruby & company stop Salem after figuring out she's going to be assimilated in the merge.
I'm clapping rn. That is a brilliant idea! Good job sir and or madam.
I see so many great "what ifs" like this, and it just makes me think how a small idea can grow until a fun and interesting concept. I've been pretty disappointed with RWBYs story telling, but this idea patches a few holes as well as adds to the story!
Real talk? I'm pretty much convinced at this point that the "Why?" as to why Oscar exists is simply because of Jaune's reception.
It feels clear, when you think about it, that they MUST have intended for Jaune to be Ozpin's next reincarnation. The idea would even fit the historical character that Jaune is based on, Joan of Ark, given that she was said to "hear voices in her head", and that's without mentioning how there were lots of possible "hints" for a connection between Jaune and Ozpin established before, like the fact that Ozpin likely let Jaune sneak into Beacon despite knowing his credentials were faked, or how the "King of Vale" (who was clearly another one of Ozpin's past lives) wielded a sword that was probably, at some point, meant to be the very same sword that Jaune is currently wielding.
But somewhere down the line, the writers realized that if they elevated Jaune's importance THAT much, given that the show nowadays isn't even about RWBY, but about the eternal war between Ozma and Salem (with RWBY & Co just being bystanders caught in the action at best), making Jaune basically the most plot-central character of the show... it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to refute any longer that he IS the real "Main Character" of the show and the only character the writers ever really care to write about.
The fact that Jaune's reception even in early volumes was mixed at best was also likely another contributing factor to this "wake up call", so they completely aborted the whole "Let's make Jaune the next reincarnation of Ozpin/Ozma", and instead just... made up a completely new character - likely on a rush, considering how BARREN Oscar's background is - to fill in the spot.
And that's how we ended up where we are...
damn
1)great job writing this
2)why is this so true
They might still do it~
Who knows?😃
Oscar might just fucking die
like I know how Winter is 100% going to die bc Weiss will be the winter maiden in the end for sure
Honestly I feel partly that the whole show should not have been called RWBY. It gives a lot of focus on side characters which is not necessarily a bad thing but then the main characters feel kinda left behind. They should've just srewed the whole main character thing and simply made apart fomr like on only side characters
@@lucifer-librarian9562I think they should have made RWBY constants and have other characters like Ospin, Juane, Ren, Nora, and Qrow come and go across the seasons.
@@lucifer-librarian9562 The writers think that too
I think that's a cowardice way too
Make the show named RWBY all about Team RWBY
I'd love if Oscar used farm tools to fight, I get using the cane as a legacy item but if he fought like with a sickle or pitchfork I think his fighting style could stand out more and make him more of a character
The civilian fighter who learned from experience and not from expensive training like team rwby or jnpr
That what I thought!
It's also an opportunity for Ruby to teach him since she's a master at using lethal gardening tools. :D
I really like this idea
Thank you, I had wondered what kind of weapon Oscar might use if he never became Ozpin's new car.
Oscar's Aunt gives off Sora's Mom vibes
Sora has a mother?!?!
Word.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 She offers him dinner in the first game and like the ungrateful brat he is, Sora just runs off to get sucked into a world ending black hole and then leaves the food to get cold for the next three years.
This is the most accurate comparison I’ve ever heard
@@silvereyes242 Ouch, Sora deserves a spanking
Oscar is literally an entire character dedicated to the sole purpose of being a sacrificial lamb to provide an easy excuse when the writers decide they want ozpin to be unambiguously a good guy again. Oscars consciousness disappears, everyone is sad, and his impact on the collective ozpin is that after fusing completely, the other characters suddenly don't mistrust him anymore. Because Oscar is in there somewhere so he must be a good guy!
Wanna know why Oscar is a farm boy that lives with his aunt?
Because Luke Skywalker is a farm boy who loves with his aunt.
And CRWBY likes taking story from other things they like
Luke lives with his aunt and UNCLE.
Or, you know, like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz
@@TheSaharay1 Oscar not Dorothy.
@@dragonborn7955 I meant being raised on a farm with his aunt like Dorothy
@@TheSaharay1 He was dorothy
Then the writters forgot to check what happens in the novels, so RWBY: After the fall made the principal of vacuo (Theodore) the new Dorothy reference, and now Oscar is another character (Its still another Wizard of Oz character, I just can't remember his name)
Step 1: Make a new character right after volume 3
Step 2: Do nothing with said character
Step 3: Have him flirt with Ruby
Step 4: Profit
Genius
Rwbys problem isn't that they have to many characters but that they don't utilize then well at all they make a character to serve a single purpose then they are ether abandoned or just take up space .
@@thatoneblackdude3333 Basically. The stupid nonsensical runtime doesn't either, however. Especially early on. If there seasons/episodes had the length of time that they did now, the amount of characters introduced would be easier to work with... but this implies that they wouldn't fuck that up too lol
@@KaiserShounen I don't think run time would even matter Rt is just bad a managing it's characters more then half the cast shouldn't be here anymore and serve no purpose and all the characters who should be important are ether not around for no real reason ( tai , raven , sun) or are wasted Oscar , ozpin , salam .
@@KaiserShounen like for example they made an entire character for the sole purpose if teaching ruby silver eyes even tho both qrow and ozpin could have easily done that themselves and what has Mira done since ? Nothing but take up space.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 And have a bad fight with Neo for no real reason lmao
I was always sympathetic towards Oscar because how he was basically forced into this position
The boy who had no choice
The boy was created out of nowhere. He had no choice.
Same and even to this day too he really did not have the choice but to be part of all of this
I really do hope Oscar steps up in the next Volume. Since Ruby is “gone”, maybe he’ll get a chance to interact with other people more. I just really hope his dialogue isn’t limited to things like “I know they’re still alive, I can feel it” or “I’ll hold things together until they get back”.
Honestly, I feel like a show RT could have benefited from watching was Once Upon a Time. Not only would they have seen how others handle different interpretations of storybook characters but also the problems that arise when you make a gigantic cast with the mindset of”we need to reference every story we can”(seriously, if you’ve ever seen the family tree for that show it is insane).
For the first part, about his dialogue... c'mon, you know they will. This is RT, a company that has long since lost it's lustre .
But boy do I love the show, my favorite interpretation of captain hook ever, family tree and age confusion be damned
@@gloomygloomstalker3878 yeah, Captain Hook was easily the best part of that show.
@@elijahhayter3026 I suppose I do tend to be too much of an optimist sometimes, but you do have a point, it’s likely RT will go in that direction given their recent track record.
@@mirramirraonthewall There's nothing wrong with optimism, but given their track record, RT's not been making the best calls. I frankly want to see this happen as much as you do, but expectations can lead to disapointment.
Not going to lie I legitimately forgot Oscar has an aunt until just now
I always thought Oscar could have been a good "token religious" of the group, it's already cannon that the people in the cities don't believe in the gods anymore so why not have the kid from the outskirts be the one to have his beliefs be questioned when he sees the light and dark gods that would also go a long way to why he doesn't want to bond with ozpin since he might see it as having his chance at an afterlife taken away
That would require them to actually flesh out the lore and such. They clearly didn't put much thought into him if they didn't even realize that. lol.
Another way to do this is to have a devouted Oscar at first be overjoyed to have been chosen to be a god's new vessel! He sees it as a holy duty, a good thing. He listens to Ozma and does exactly as he says without even thinking about it.
Slowly, as Ozma gains more control over Oscar's body, he starts to have doubts (would be best if most of their thoughts were still separate so Ozma doesn't immediately notice).
Ozma starts taking control more often, and Oscar is left to observe his own body, completely powerless. When he's in control he might turn to speak to someone, but Ozma decides that what he's about to say shouldn't be said and take over.
All Oscar can do is scream in his own head while Ozma pretends to be him.
Even more time passes and Oscar starts fading in and out of consciousness, passing out and waking up days or even weeks later, with no idea where he is or what is going on.
He fights for any scrap of control and manages to beg RWBY to save him. This also gives them actual motivation to keep secrets from Ironwood about the relics, because they want to try to use them to save Oscar and either move Ozma to an empty vessel, or destroy him completely.
Can you imagine if Oscar was a Faunus? While it seems like a missed opportunity, they would've made him an animal that also represents his growth in the series. Preferably, something that has antlers.
AW! I pictured him as a little Bambi character and it sounds so CUTE!
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 I’m glad you feel that way. Then how would you imagine Qrow with a beer belly?
I picture it working like Peter B.’s pizza gut, in which it shrinks a bit when in action and being more exposed when he’s not doing anything. Not with abs, but to show that he’s still in the fight.
Clearly, Oscar’s village needs to get attacked by Grimm or something. There could at least be SOME exploration of his background there
The part that upset me the most about Oscar's character arc from Farm Boy to up and coming Hero was that Oscar went from "Get out of my head!" to going on his journey to Mistral.
It kinda feels like a huge jump from not wanting to go and save the world to now going to save the world.
Never watched those RWBY rewrites, but you’ve immediately sold me with the Ozpin > Torchwick idea. That shit’s GENIUS!
Torchwick being the new host for Oz makes zero sense for a number of obvious reasons.
It makes sense since Oz might be pragmatic and willing to do some shady shit behind the scenes at some point during his reincarnations over the centuries.
Can't fret at every egg to make an omelette, Jack
@@rexlumontad5644 Oz has done morally questionable things not I highly doubt he has stopped to Roman levels. The two are complete night and day
@@pedanticat9479 To Ozpin's perspective as a very long lived bodyhopping immortal, Roman is one of the many cheap chumps compared to the great evil of Salem.
Besides, even if you don't like Roman's personality and career, he has his uses to Ozpin like tapping into Roman's many connections in the criminal underworld for valuable information, money, ammo, and supplies that would be funneled to Ruby and her friends who would use them to fight against Cinder and her allies.
Plus he can get them to places where they can't get into easily such as smuggling into Atlas without need of stealing an military airship underneath Cordovin's nose.
@@pedanticat9479 more interesting than what they’ve done with Oscar thus far so I mean 🤷🏾♂️
For me I really like the idea of jaune and Oscar mentor and student relationship kinda like jaune and pyrrha it sounds so cool that jaune who's formally a noob is now a mentor to someone else imagine the character development of jaune and Oscar learning from each other.
Hell yeah.
@@thomasraines1396 Oscar and Jaune: "MOOD KINDRED!"
While I disagree with 98% of this video, that is one of the few things I'll fully admit would have been nice to have
They could've been brothers. Jaune's never had a little brother. Oscar is an only child. They could have been the sibling the other never had. It would've been perfect.
This comment section is everything and more that I thought what happened in volumes 5 & 6 between Qrow, Jaune, and Oscar.
With the implications of him training at night, the fight with Qrow & Tyrian, and that small moment before the Nuck fight would have all linked up well to maybe have Qrow open up to Juane a bit and offer to train in the aura slash we see him try at night and that Qrow does against Winter and Tyrian. All because Qrow sees how Jaune wants/has improved when watching him and Oscar sparring but can see the gap in skill closing as Oscar inherits Oz's techniques but not aura reserves and control, being tied to the individual and take longer to train, as Oscar still tires out way before Jaune. Knowing this however with him being humbled by his own rushed training experience Jaune congratulates Oscar on his progress not letting slip his worries until Oscar goes to rest giving Qrow an opportunity to teach him how to use his abundance of aura and physical strength into a move that Jaune can do more often and possibly stronger than he does with time.
i was kinda surprised how oscar is getting over all the situation he's going through. living a life of a normal farm boy and all of a sudden he has a soul of a leader of a country shoved inside his head and went in fighting terrorists leaded by an immortal witch and almost beaten to death by them.
if oscar was supposed to be in rwby, i'd say he should've been introduced much sooner than volume 4. for a character who became a new body of one of the most important character in the series(more than protagonist herself) it feels like he literaliy came out of nowhere.
hell, just imagine how much it will be interesting if REN was the one who gets ozpin's soul. i mean his personal color is also green and we could at least get some more interesting story of him more than what we got.
Idk I like him more than 3/4s of Team RWBY. He's definitely more likeable. But I personally find the idea of a simple farm boy answering a call much greater than himself to help stop the forces of evil despite the fact that he's arguably the weakest of the group he follows.
Plus he's the only one who's ever successfully tried something other than fight.. which was be diplomatic and just use his words to better a situation. I can't see Yang, Blake or Weiss doing that. Actually violence is usually the first thing they turn to.
But I do think it's weird that he's constantly absent from so many moments of downtime. He has no connection with anyone aside from Ruby. Though an argument could be made that RWBY/JNR also more often than not, feel like work colleagues more than actual friends.
I also don't think it's such a bad thing to give the guy's some power ups. They are honestly REALLY underpowered(on the heroes we side atleast). I honestly can't see Jaune, Ren or Oscar beating ANY of the women on either team in a one on one.
It’s honestly sad how team RWBY keeps getting sideline as others act as much better main characters than them.
I just realized something. Wouldnt weiss actually be a diplomatic person given her background?
@@ZyroShadowPony Maybe but I personally think Yang would be the better choice for a diplomat in Team RWBY. Weiss’s earlier behavior pushed people away more often then not (and even after her character development she doesn't do all that much in the diplomacy department), so the only thing she has going for her is her now gone higher status. Yang seems to be the party girl and much more charismatic in the early volumes, and she's pretty much the only one with any social skills whatsoever.
@@coffeewolfproductions9113 yeah even though the writting make it seem she is the worst choice with all the hypocrisy and obvious lying
@@ZyroShadowPony Which one, Weiss or Yang? Because I genuinely can't tell. But in any case you do have a point there, I was just pointing out that Weiss probably isn't the best choice due to her loss of status and her not really having much in the way of social skills. Yang definitely does have problems though due to her behavior later in the show but out of all the main cast she's probably the most qualified.
It would have been interesting if they had introduced Oscar in volume 4, and never explicitly said anything about him. We can just have him go on a journey, possibly imply that it was of his own choosing, have him say that "hey, he's always dreamed of going on an adventure, so why not?"
Have him just be a secondary character for a season or two, making his way through remnants, possibly in the company of other people, so as to avoid making the audience too suspicious of him, and then show him doing something that he can do to support the other characters once he finally crosses paths with them. Either from there, he can integrate with the main cast and join them on their journeys and then reveal that Ozpin is inside of him, or he can split off to go do something else for another season before suddenly busting out Ozpin' fighting style in a serious moment and then revealing that Ozpin is there. Idk, they could've done so much better than this
I feel like doing that would just damage how he's handled from V4-6 even worse
It would have been interesting to see Oscar visit the Vytal Festival with his aunt and be inspired by the Huntsmen and Huntresses
@@pedanticat9479 not if they do it like he’s maybe a traveler that tags along with RNJR for safety reasons
If I changed Oscar's introduction I'd have him first appear in volume 3 as a Background character, visiting Vale for the Vital festive with his family, maybe have his parents killed by Grimm in the chaos(maybe the wyvern's offspring Grimm). Following that to volume 4 we see on working on the farm with his aunt, both still mourning friends and family members lost during the fall. Then we get Ozpin making himself known to Oscar, promising him answers if he goes to Haven. Ending things off with him meeting Hazel on the train, traveling togather for a little bit. There we have a boy's loss of innocence and a young Man's journey for answers.
1:25 Fun Fact: Speaking of Full Metal Alchemist, both English and Japanese voice actor of Oscar Pine have portrayed the role of Alphonse Elric.
That is fun! :D
Well, it did take 8 years for us to get somewhat of a Cinder backstory... so by volume 12 we should be set for Oscars!
Hopefully his backstory doesn’t read like a crappy abused main character fanfic and isn’t pushed back (Cinder’s backstory was meant to be in Volume 5 from what I understand) because of… reasons.
I like the idea of Oz always reincarnating into someone he knew in his previous body/life. It would link back to how the maiden powers are transferred and add to the horror of knowing you're going to probably body snatch and slowly erase someone you once cared for. Maybe there could even be a part where he admits he tries to find a piece of his daughters in the maidens since he believes a small piece of them must be making the hop along with the powers much like he would be.
I honestly would love if the whole past incarnation memories started to slowly intergrated in oscar own memories
Like he slowly starts to have contradictions in his memories without even noticing it and his likes and dislikes slowly start to change and stuff
I think Ren being Ozpin's next vessel is a great idea. Especially since Monty originally was going to voice him but voiced Ren instead. Also, the part with Renora wouldve worked because his relationship with Nora would have been a big point for Ren not wanting to fade away.
This video made me want to rewatch Fixing RWBY... again.
You know what would have been a cute character trait for Oscar?
What if he was kind of awkward around women. Like he grew up on a farm where the only woman he talked to regularly was his aunt, and now as a teenager he's being shoved into a group with 5 girls his own age, one of whom is really big on hugs. We could then get scenes where various characters kind of interact with that trait, like Ruby thinks he's just awkward while Yang thinks him being easily flustered is the cutest thing she's ever seen. Jaune and Ren could try to help him talk to girls, but then they realize that their experience with women is like 1 a piece as he really poorly flirts with Blake or Penny.
It's at least a personality trait and one that's probably very relatable to a presumably majority teenage male audience.
That was sort of Jaune in Volume 1, with him being overconfidently flirting with the girls, but for Oscar he's super unconfident about it.
Not to say I hate it though. More cute Oscar moments are always a plus.
Could you imagine the backlash from the Wasps if he flirted with Blake?
@@salgutierrez4710 Oscar flirting with Blake would be fine if they also took the chance to add more hints of Blake being into Yang as she deflects Oscars flirting. Boom 2 for 1 characters interaction
You basically described Jaune.
@@moistfist1054 Nah, Jaune was more overconfident. I was picturing "easily flustered", like Oscar wouldn't walk up to Weiss with a guitar and star singing.
Despite everything that was said in this video, Oscar is still more of an active protagonist than Ruby is
Literally! He honestly feels like he SHOULD be the protagonist since he has direct ties to the actual plot, but developing him too much would completely overshadow team rwby who the writers have been struggling to make relevant since the beginning
@@sadesbieman8999 They're really doing a bang-up job pushing team RWBY as the supposed protagonists...
Blazblue Ruby was a better protag than the one in the show
@@Rangerj04 I haven't played BBTAG, but I'll take your word, as people other than Rooster Teeth tend to write the characters leagues better
@@dylans.1741 in Rwby's campaign, she actually is proactive in what is happening while still being an excited 15 year old weapon geek.
When she meets Yukiko and Hanamura from persona 4 she freaks out in excitement of facing a ninja and a geisha
Honestly, they could have easily avoided the exposition problem with Oscar by just throwing out a line where RWBY asks Oscar what he knows and have him say that Ozpin had been getting him up to speed on his Aura and anything else that’s important information so we don’t have to sit through the exposition. Then we can focus on the character.
I may sound like a broken record, but Team JNPR should’ve been ‘dropped’ after V3. I never was really too attached to them and found the four girls stories interesting enough to follow for many seasons.
The biggest let down as a character for me has to be Yang. She’s so inconsistent in her motivations and character traits, even from the beginning. She’s the party girl, but also the mom of the group that looks out for her baby sister. But she also ditched her baby sister on day 1. She has PTSD, then is suddenly cured, but then she’s not cause she still gets the shakes from time to time. She’s pissed at Blake, then not pissed at Blake, then pissed again, then suddenly likes her again. She wants no more lies and half truths, then is okay with telling Ironwood a lie and half truth. Despite him not giving her a reason to distrust him, especially since he’s the one that gave her her new arm. She all of the sudden doubts Ruby’s leadership and seemingly cares more about her cat girlfriends opinion of her more than her sisters. Like, fuck, make up your mind lady!
Yang also being the “party girl” never actually comes up in the series.
Sadly Yang was only pissed at Blake because she kept putting her foot in her mouth, they never talk about Blake taking off, Yang just throws out some “it’ll take some time” spiel.
I was fine with JNRP on volume 4 since they got together with Ruby to do Huntsmen stuff, but I definitely agree they should've dropped at some point, to me it was after volume 5 finale.
@@thomasraines1396 that’s why I bring it up as a problem. RT constantly refers to Yang as ‘the party girl’ but we never see that.
The “it’ll take time” spiel wasn’t stupid until RT fast-forwarded the time. Blake and Yang never talk or have any moments to hint that they’re moving past the drama between them. RT likes to do this a lot. They will show the start and finish of a character arc, skip the middle portion of the character arc, then act like they did the legwork to get us to the end of that character arc. It’s why this show feels so unsatisfying and why people constantly go “what?” When characters make desicions.
@@zerotohero1483 exactly.
The way they handle arcs in the show feels like something off the CW.
@@groynin that’s fair for V4. I’ve just been really confused as to why we have a second team to follow when we have a team full of underdeveloped protagonists that make up the title. I never liked it when Jaune took over the spotlight, not just because the Jaune Arc was probably the worst bit of writing I’ve ever seen (and im including the stereotypical bad fanfiction where the grammar is really bad) but because we never got development for our main characters.
"The chimeras" LOOOL, I read the manga and watched the anime and I completely forgot the chimeras existed. I had to do a double take because I was listening to this while walking.
Dang, I'm due for a rewatch
The only thing I really remember about them is the fact one of them had a really deep growly voice.
But I care more about Oscar than the original characters.
Bro, I agree with everything critter said but I still totally feel you? How can he be so bland and personality-less and yet be so likeable at the same time?
@@Vivi_Pallas Because everyone else sucks
@@Vivi_Pallas because his only personality trait is "sweet boy" and who doesn't like "sweet boys"?
I never thought it was a “boys need something cool” thing. Like, they aren’t worried about hitting demographics and using the toy line to keep the show on air (I think).
I thought he would have fit nicely into Pierra’s place so Jaune could still lead a team of 4. But they failed in that too.
A male character around rbwy's age that's a reliable fighter would refreshing and add some balance to the heavily skewed gender count in this series.
another idea that could have worked for oscar was to have him introduced in season 3 and give him some sort of development, like maybe him and his aunt were selling vegetables at the vitle festival or something like that. he could get caught up in the fall of beacon and team RWBY saved him during all that mess and maybe he lost his aunt in the fall so he was staying with ruby and yang and their dad for a short while. and like, have the development with oz like go super slow, make him think he's just going a little nuts but then slowly realises there's someone sharing his head space, and end season four on the cliff hanger that oz is back and he's in oscar's head
Oscar: "I'm afraid of losing myself"
Us: "who are you"
I feel like Penny is a good example for this situation, despite how much I love her. In the nicest way possible, why was she created? For the vytal festival? To be the protector of Mantle? Or just to add onto the dead characters that are considered a tragedy? Now I'm not saying she could've been replaced, but there was definitely another character who could've used more character development than her ://
I think they could hopefully fix this by giving Oscar, what Ruby's role was originally meant to be. A young person given and trusted with a lot of responsibility, if we never get to see him with the kid's, let's see him being uncomfortable at adult conversations! He's quite literally incapable of being a kid again, or relating himself to the other people around him because he's having to interact with people beyond his age group or even intelligence level, he's having to abandon his childhood already to be an adult. Make him incapable of wanting to speak his thoughts about Ozpin, because he's afraid to mess up and say something that he doesn't mean. Give us Oscar's journey where he's forced to grow up, and finds himself at odds with what he wants to do, and what he needs to do.
Rest easy with your fear about needing a male protagonist, I think there’s a much simpler explanation to why they added Oscar: they needed a main protagonist that Aaron Dismuke could voice.
I remember back in the day a big deal being made over Mignogna being cast as Qrow, and equally I remember people going pretty crazy hearing he and Dismuke would be playing opposite each other again. Consider how much focus *that* pair of characters got over the series… until Volume 7 where Mignogna was replaced. Suddenly, it wasn’t as important to have the two in the same room anymore. No I’m more and more convinced it was just a play to say they brought back the original FMA Ed and Al to try and leach off a different fan base when their show was already struggling. I suspect otherwise it would have been Jaune to get Oz as it’d make the most ‘sense’ from their stand point with how they’d built him.
Thanks for the shoutout, too! I really appreciate it!
Oscar, a whole new character created to share similar traits to Ozpin bit different enough to help Oz grow as a person with him being a kindhearted soul, makes way more sense then Oz reincarnating in a criminal mastermind that commits heinous crimes.
@@pedanticat9479 You act like Ozpin didn't do some shady shit during his reincarnations (not all would be good men he bodyhopped into) over the centuries. Especially when he had lived through and witnessed a lot of things that would make him do whatever it takes to stop Salem even if it seemed pointless in the long run due to his inability to kill her only delaying the inevitable.
You can't fret over every egg to make an omelette Jack.
@@pedanticat9479 ok actually Celtic builds a great case for making Roman the new host and actually gives Roman a backstory its worth giving the rewrite a listen
@@pedanticat9479 There's a literal legend in world of remnant about how the fucking king of vale came with a sword and decimated hundreds of soldiers, and let the 4 main girls, two of them which are the cousins of one of his most trusted friends, into a devastated city they couldn't defend in the first place to look for a terrorist group
Yeah, he and oscar. definetly are really similar, good thing they have a kindhearted soul, is not like Ruby Rose, the main fucking character of the series, can fulfill that role and be kindhearted with Oz while he is in Romans body, giving an interesting Dinamic between the honest pure soul and the shady point of view to the wizard
Nope, we can't have that, oscar has to do all the Job, is not like Ruby can do anything or influence Oz in Anyway, she must stay there to sell volume 1 merch and sit there, not asking for her silver eyes for 3 volumes until a character we just introduced for that, thank god CRWBY decided to not make Ruby an active character and pick an interesting wild choice, and instead create another one that we dont know at all!
The fact people still care about this “show” speaks too the potential it used too have
Exactly
It isn't a simple case of "bad show"
RWBY _disappointed us_
Not necessarily. People still talk about movies like the room and Miami connection. If a piece of media is interesting, people will continue to talk about it regardless of it's current quality, or potential.
I always felt like Oscar should've had more character growth (then again, that goes for a lot of characters). I like the idea of a farm-hand having big dreams of seeing the world outside of the little farm he's lived on, only to be given exactly what he asked for, but not in the way he thought it would be.
In terms of something interesting/unique about the character, they could've made him a handyman of sorts: knowing his way around machinery and whatnot. But not being, exactly, leader material: he could have trouble socializing, is used to working alone, and is accustomed to shouldering the workload on their own. This could also serve as why Ozpin chose him because of these traits: a leader is often never fully understood, often has no equal to turn to, and often bears the most burden.
Overall, I'd say that Oscar has the potential to be great character--though, that goes for practically every character in this series. Personally, I never really saw him as Ruby's love interest, but rather, a reflection of her: someone once innocent and naive now placed in a situation that is way over their head that has to persevere in order of obtain some semblance of who they once wanted to be. Though, that might be me being theatrical...?
Oscar feels like a self insert i would have come up with in middle school,. He comes out of nowhere, is powerful, is super important, and doesn't have any actual character or motivation.
Yet, people complain about jaune. It’s like people are blind sometimes (well, most of the time), don’t you agree?
@@moistfist1054 its understandable that people complain about Jaune over Oscar, cus Jaune is actually active in the story instead of just being present. Oscar is practically invisible in alot of the story
@@GTGAMERZ Thats is not enough to warrant all the hate he gets. And it’s not like he’s actually self insert when you think about it. Who in their right mind would portray themselves like that when you consider how Jaune acted at the start. Jaune, like most of the cast, was downright stupid even back then.
The here comes oscar and no one bats an eye.
It really sucks too because this character deserves so much better then that. I swear that if this character was a girl and written 100x worse then she would still be a fan favorite.
Because it’s a girl.
And why do they hate him. “Because there is too much Jaune fanfiction.” I just wish people would realize that they wore themselves out. They decided to click on it, read it, and kept doing it. I assure you that the same people who complained were the ones who spammed the hell out of those harem stories.
If anything, being a character that can act on his own and is active is a good thing. Sadly he doesn’t even do that anymore.
I just can’t wrap my head around how people act or think sometimes.
Funnily enough Oscar's my favourite character in RWBY honestly, he ticks so many boxes for me personally and has a lot of potential, but the other characters can be strangely disconnected from him and what he is going through despite him having some if the most upsetting and tragic moments and circumstances (JNR definitely feel much closer to him that RWBY, but still). I felt everyone reacting to first meeting him as 'Ozpin is back!' Was going to eventually develop into them seeing him as a kid in a tragic situation, not their former headmaster, but that doesn't seem to be the case or they haven't quite reached that realisation yet or something. The way they didn't keep an eye on him when Neopolitan was after them despite him being much younger and less experienced was hard to watch and feeds into the idea they see him as more experienced/capable than he is, and they lost the lamp because of that. There always seem to be distance between them, and no one noticing the recent changes happening in Oscar either is pretty sad.
I am still holding out hope that it is planned (since there is stuff happening in the bg, and unexplained elements) that the characters are so wrapped up in their own stuff and everything else going on that they aren't noticing, and that the writers will get the relationships and reactions from the other characters in before it's too late. At least for me Oscar on his own is doing a great job at being an interesting, sympathetic character with a good story, but right now he just feels very alone in his struggles outside speaking to Ozpin (maybe Emerald as an outsider without a team of her own will focus on him more and maybe give him the long needed support).
Edit: Also 100% agree on that lack of Ironwood confrontation at the end of the last volume, that was so disappointing :'D
It is hillariously ironic that the most compelling thing with Oscar is his fears about being another body and just a tool of Ozma when thus far that is what he really is in the meta narrative. He has little outside of being an Ozma incarnation yet.
Still though, I like him better than all of Team RWBY barring Weiss.
The Title: "Let's talk about Oscar"
My brain: "Let's talk about Bruno"
Me: Oh sweet, another video about Encanto!
Anywho, putting my apparent illiteracy aside, I was always so disappointed that we never got to see Oscar's development in the Pyrrha statue episode. I remember feeling sad during the Pyrrha scene, then when I saw that Oscar got a whole new outfit and everything I was more disappointed that we didn't see that. Then Blake and Yang are seemingly cool with each other later, even though they had a conflict back at the barn. We could've had scenes for Blake and Yang's development and Oscar's development, but nah, the statue was way more important.
We don't talk about Bruno
There are little hints of friendship between Oscar and the others: like going to the movies with Jaune and Weiss or Yang casually leaning on him. It'd be nice to see more than that, but one could argue there's more evidence to it than friendships with, say, Ruby and Velvet. Fans routinely build up headcanons from these small interactions. Oscar should absolutely have more one-on-one interactions with the others to better demonstrate their bonds: unfortunately Volume 9 separated him from 5 of those potential character beats.
"Yang casually leaning on him."
Dude...that should NOT be the only indication of a friendship. In a REAL show there'd be more than that.
@@jonnjones8263 A 'real' show?
@@astereotypicalgamer1708 Thats what I said.
@@jonnjones8263 I find RWBY disappointing in many ways, but I absolutely consider it to be a real show. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
RWBY writes its relationships like a CW show: a good majority of the characters either never interact or only interact once or twice before going back to never speaking to each other or having any semblance of a relationship.
19:00 That literally what I always think of Oscar and his personality! 😂😂
Also “Oz’s Osmosis” 😏
An OZmosis, if you will. 😏😉
@@johannesseyfried7933 Nappa: "I get it!"
@@johannesseyfried7933 Ha
I do attribute basically all of Oscar's personality, (which we may not all argee exists but idc it's my opinion) to his voice actor. Who is just so fulk of personality! But even if you don't think Oscar has enough substance you still can't deny he has a better moral compass the every other character on the show. That's kinda sad.
Also I really like you, Juan mentor idea!
And, yeah, they never let our boy have *any* spotlight.
Also I think making Oscar a lot like old Ruby and Juan is because they fricked up writing the other two.
Now I’m just thinking of everyone having a fun time at dinner while Oscar sits alone in his room with a cold plate of food :(
Man that’s honestly really sad.
@@thomasraines1396 With friends like these, who needs enemies?
@@rexlumontad5644 exactly.
His aunt is probably wondering where he is.
I would love if Ozpin, was the last "Ozma". With Oscar being the one that, when mixed, comes out on top. Like a fight where Oscar just abjectly wins because his will to do the right thing trumps Ozma's will to do "wrong" and that tips the scale, to see oscar grow into such a potent person that when mixed with Ozma, the mixture comes out more Oscar then Ozma, and so when they die, the next incarnation isn't really becoming Ozma anymore, but instead becoming Oscar. But with how the reincarnation thing is phrased and how RWBY's writing is done... I don't think that will happen.
Somethinge else they could do is have the god of lights "so you will never be alone" be literal in the most awesome way. where it's revealed Ozma never loses his connection with the lives before his new host, Oscar can't hear it at first normally, but behind Ozma is every person he has ever been one with, all their hopes, dreams, fears, love, trust, and memories. even there expertise. A sample of the many collective wisdoms of mankind, and not "mankind" throw some fanus in there too. The real mankind. Maybe even have Ozma not know it. Like a hidden reserve that can only be tapped into when all the magic and arua and will, and light of both of them is spent. Give me a naruto esqu scean of Ozma and Oscar in the place between their two connected souls, and have all that fall away to reveal a door, or a mirror, or something that when they open or look in it, they see and know all the lives touched by ozma over the eons, they get bequeathed the will, the resolve, the aura of ALL OF THEM. Make it a "we stand united" moment. Like, RWBY is often said to be "western anime". Earn the tittle. Own it.
19:14 is a perfect frame for the argument. The left side of the screen is the main cast of volume 8. They could fill my living room and just to do so would require putting all the furniture outside.
A slight rant below about the cast on the whole, gets more detailed in the middle for no real reason.
RWBY has too many people in the main cast. During volume 4/5 we had team RWBY, team JNR, Qrow, Sun and then Oscar. That was kinda it. Volume 5 added Blake's parents and some villains and the cast got larger and larger until the end of Volume 5 where it shrank to team RWBY, team JNR, Qrow and Oscar. It shouldn't have expanded after but then we got so many new characters.
Maria was neat but a silver eyes exposition machine, something that even Qrow could have done. They could explain it by saying that summer mentioned it of hand when talking or training with Summer. This would have also allowed for some Qrow development, something we got but it was half baked at best and half assed at worst.
Penny didn't need to come back just to die again. We didn't really need to meet Penny's dad. The ace ops could have been designated to side character only instead of trying to treat them as main cast. Ironwood and Winter I guess were needed since they were in atlas, they would be needed for the plot. Clover being the leader of the ace ops could still be there as is but with more development since the other ace ops would be treated as side characters/Ironwood's pawns.
If this happened we would therefore limit the main cast to Ruby, Weiss, Blake, Yang, Jaune, Nora, Ren, Qrow, Ironwood, Winter, Oscar/Ozpin and Clover.
I forgot Robin didn't I? She could have stayed an interesting side character and not been put in jail to team with Qrow.
Qrow should be competent as is, he didn't really need a buddy in not so solitary confinement.
(Plus if he did have one it could be Jacques(Don't think he would be useful but at least some development or interesing dialoguq could happen))
“Oscar is completely pointless as a character”
That wounds me deeply critter…..but I respect and understand why you feel that way
He really isn't a pointless character. He was vital to helping Oz grow as a person with him realizing he can't learn fear hold him back from fully trusting people and I doubt a lot of the scenes we got with him woukd have worked with any of the characters Critter suggested (the fact that she compared Oscar to Cardin made me facepalm)
Shame that Rooster Teeth screwed it up when it comes with Oscar's development that happened offscreen in Volume 6.
@@pedanticat9479 Really? It wouldn't have been able to work with Jaune? The guy who's been fully against Ozpin and his lies? Oscar is a blank slate man, if it can work with him, it can work with anyone else.
@@zgoat8573 If you think that, you completely miss the point of Jaune entire character
@@pedanticat9479 Literally look at what you said and then remember all of the main characters in the series. Any one of them could've done that.
I recommend watching Crumbling Cube's Oscar RWBY thoughts. It's a parody but they actually give Oscar more character.
14:53 YEEEEEEES. Love to see Celtic getting some love.
His decision to make Oz *REDACTED* was so Genius that I audibly cheered during the after credit scene in his season 4 rewrite.
*thumbnail*
Imagine if Oscar's own Semblance he had awakened is STAND POWER: THE OZPIN to work in conjunction with the Wizard's magic power.
You know that would actually interesting idea, it could symbolism of their new partnership.
Honestly I do think you're right and I do also like Oscar's character, the worst part to me is that he didn't even get supplemental material, even though it's not an excuse for not giving a character in show screen time it at least makes me know more about characters like Team CFVY, SSSN, Roman, and Neo
The reason why I personally think they made Oscar a “New Character” was because he was pre planned.
Hear me out. The creators did say originally that
1. Volume 9 was one of the earliest volumes to be conceptualized
2. Team JNPR wasn’t originally planned out until much later on.
Taking my two points, if Volume 9 was planned out before most other volumes, that would likely mean Salem was planned. And who is Salems main target? Ozpin.
Now I’m not saying that Oscar was directly planned but his concept may have been long before JNPR’s creation.
Maybe instead of the Jaune being Ozpin idea was shafted by Oscar, maybe Oscar was always supposed to be, but when Jaune was created they were similar.
I honestly think since Jaune was planned out later on, Oscar may have been given his role. But also upon realizing how similar they were, they took them on separate paths
I think the idea of Ozpin reincarnating and Salem and all that was pre-planned. Blake's book she was reading in volume one is obvious foreshadowing to this.
I like this idea I wonder if it's true it be cool if it was
"Volume 9 was one of the earliest volumes to be conceptualized", do you mean that Vol.9 was supposed to be implemented as one of the earlier volumes, or that they planned the story up to volume 9? Because if it's the latter then I don't see how that would be true since there have been new inclusions to the show for every volume so if there was a planned route I think it has long deviated from it.
Absolutely loved this analysis! It all came together so nicely.
Pretty sure there's at least one fanfic in which Ozpin ends up in Roman's head... but I've always had the impression that Oz (and the maiden power, if/when it's random) gravitate toward the young. As for Oscar, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't put much thought into his character because he's just going to become Oz, anyway.
All of Ozpin's hosts in the Lost Fable are shown to be adult men, so Roman can still likely fit that bill.
Honestly I think Oz would work well in King Arthur's story considering he was once a king, the crosses the outfits have, and the cane could be Excalibur. Only the true king could lift it from the stone like only Oz is allowed to wield the cane since it's been his and rightfully so for millennia.
It would also work well with a holy spirit that spoke to Joan of Arc, a simple farm girl, to fight the war.
RWBY takes a lot of inspiration from historical figures and their journeys, myths, fairy tales,stories, and other urban legends. It would be cool if some of them overlapped to help with the story. Ozma being the holy spirit, the cane being Excalibur, Ozpins past life being King Arthur, Ozpin being Oz, and after his "death" he guides Jaune or Joan of Arc to victory so that he may return home from a new world.
What if Maria was Oscar's aunt? That would've been neat?
That WOULD have been neat!!!
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 the reason why she joined group is to find Oscar and ask him *WHAT IN NAME OF HOLY DUST HE THINK, LEVING BLIND WOMAN IN FARM ALONE*
This and "Amber was actually Gretchen and Hazel is angry at Ozpin for making her a Maiden" are my new headcanons. It's not hard to make new characters relevant and more compelling if you just connect them to existing ones. Maria could have kept her silver eyes a secret to protect Oscar, only for him to be roped into the conflict anyway and now she has to return to action, as it were.
@@SwitchbackCh also imagine tone of aunt and nephew moments we could’ve gotten.
With Maria bashing Oscar for leaving farm without money. Imagine her telling him:
“If you gonna run away, do it properly!”
Or
“Who in their right mind, run away on train!”
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 Not everything has to be connected, some of you people are crazy for wanting everything to have a reason for being there
At this point Oscar is just a way to continue the fact that Ozpin is supposed to be the wizard of oz. He’s the green face and Ozma is the man, but now we’ve reached his “pay no attention to that man behind the curtain” moment, we know Oscar is just another face for Ozma and it feels like that’s how the characters feel too
18:06 so, something I noticed some time ago was that the definition for Ozma's power according to the wiki is that he reincarnates in 'a similar soul' or something along the lines of identifying themselves, its never actually specificied he only latches to males humans. Of course, all the past lives were men, but it's techinically not against the rules they set that he could hop to a female body as long as they had a similar mindset, which gives even MORE options for the 'next Ozpin' than just the boys there.
Potentially, though I imagine a "likeminded soul" would also probably include Ozma's preferred sexual orientation and gender identity.
This is actually something the show has done really well in regards to the concept of "Show don't tell" .Rather than have Jinn or Ozma sit down and expressly say they can only reincarnate into men, they've just shown us various lives of Ozma and they are all men.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 The God of Light didn't specifically say that the curse would have Oz inhabit a body of a man every time he dies and reborns again. A likeminded soul can be man or woman.
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 Yeah but imagine the reaction to an immortal male wizard in the body of a teenage girl . I can just see the carnage that would bring 💀.Also kind of spits in the face of the whole female protagonist thing they have going on ( barely)
@@rexlumontad5644 Did you ACTUALLY read my comment before replying to it?
@@thejudgmentalcritter6584 Yes it is about Oz preferring to choose the bodies of males to keep himself consistent of his gender and orientation for centuries.
I thought the curse by God of Light on Oz would be random and unpredictable which Oz would have to adapt and get used to it regardless of gender.
I love the fact that people can still like Oscar despite having no personality just because he’s nice, this is why you gotta be a good person man, even if you’re one note you can at least be nice.
Ren being ozpin reincarnation is an interesting idea where he is in a situation where he doesn't know what to do. Where all his life and memories will eventually go away. He may keep his calm demeanor on the outside but inside he is panicking at this idea. Nora is basically devastated with the knowledge her long time friend and sort of confusing love interest will eventuallybe gone merging into her headmaster. Jaune is basically in conflict since he blames ozpin for putting prryha in the crosshairs but is also is scared for his friend who has no way of stopping the ozpin from taking over.
It would of made ren much more interesting seeing him going through that.
It's a good excuse for him to interact more with team rwby. Lord know we need more characters interaction between them
so lemme rewrite him:
His song is called „fear“ so let‘s make him a character who‘s scared of the adventure in the beginning and not just scared of being a vessel. He‘s a really bad fighter who can‘t protect himself and the others have to teach him. More than in just one stupid scene. This would give the other characters time to show what they‘ve learned, Oscar the chance to grow and overcome his fear and Odcar and the others the chance to become actual friends. Then in the Ruby and Oscar scene he describes how he was always hiding from problems and others have solved them for „the little kid“ Ruby could give him hope. Then he would also have something connecting him to Blake: Hiding from problems. They‘d have something to talk about too. Next is Yang. She was like a mother to Ruby in earlier seasons and Oscar could remind her of a younger Ruby and she wants to be a mother to him too especially because he didn‘t have a mother too (we don‘t know but i think so) His arc is to overcome his fear and face the threats, at the end of Vol 5 he proves what he has learned in the fight with Leo, but he realises he must get better because he couldn‘t handle Hazel. In Volume 8 where he faces Hazel and Salem and destroyes the whale he‘d prove that he‘s not scared anymore. There we have it.
Honestly, Tsukune, atleast in the manga, did really important aside from the harem plot. For anyone who's read the manga all the way through, you know what I mean. (Spoilers ahead) Ya know, like mastering his powers as a ghoul, and being a first ancestor due to Mokas blood, and also, helping to defeat Alucard. Becoming the next headmaster of Yokai Academy, though it was only stated that Tenmei chose him to succeed him.
The writers made Oscar for the same reason they made Maria. They had a problem in the story that they were not creative enough to give an answer to. The writers didn't know how to direct the main characters to the next destination or explain what the grand master plan was.
With the death of Oz, they kind of forgot that there wasn't an established character that could lead team Ranger or help progress the main plot line to the characters eventually meeting Salem.
Qrow could have handled this easily but they made a new character for this. Then after that purpose was fulfilled they dropped him just like Maria
Ozpin inhabititing ren or whitley honestly sounds dope asf especially whitley
That'd be fun to see Whitley comically compare him switching personalities with Oz like that of Klein who have 7 personalities
@@rexlumontad5644 Whitley: "Oh, you have a split Personality as well?"
@@johannesseyfried7933 Klein: "Mood Kindred!"
There's quite a few established characters Ozpin could've reincarnated into, several of them protagonists, maybe even one or two viable Oz-host options being villains (Maybe even the old shopkeep is viable . . .kidding) But really, Oscar, as endearing as he may be as a character, he's just a vessel for Ozpin and not really allowed to be his own person that much, uh, well outside of being other people's punching bag that is. Jaune might've been an interesting choice I guess, and as to his "Self-insert" nature, I think that arose more from the fanfiction world since there are a lot of OP Jaune fanfics out there, though I do think there is something to Jaune being a self-insert in the later volumes, not so much the early ones.
You know, he kinda reminds me of Sieg from Fate/Apocrypha. We call him Cardboard-kun since he didn't really have a character, like Oscar.
Honestly knowing how Rooster Teeth operates all of Oscar’s off screen character development is being saved for there next supplemental material project being a manga, novel or whatever, so we will need to buy it to ever find out.
True. But the sad thing is, I would probably buy it cause I love Oscar's potential....
I've been reading a lot of comments and I've noticed one very peculiar thing. A lot of people keep making mention of how Oscar is pretty much going to be overwritten by ozpin sooner or later. And I don't know if my knowledge of the show is Rusty but where do they ever basically say that is 100% going to happen? They show that this is a fear of oscar's and Qrow, while drunk and pretty much downtrodden because of what they found out, off-handedly mentions it in a bitter way. Beyond those instances I legitimately cannot remember any significant, concrete, solid proof that Oscar will be overwritten when Ozpin fully merges with him. To me it seems more like they're implying that when Ozma merges with a like-minded soul it's more like every experience that made up the previous person melds with the current person. Yes they get their memories and experiences and knowledge, along with subconscious and even instinctual muscle memory of certain things, but the personality of the current iteration is not completely overwritten. Maybe a few personality traits are carried over but the next person, in this case oscar, will still be at his core oscar. He'll have the memories of every iteration before him and access to all of his experiences, but he will still be oscar. I compare this to the Avatar from Avatar last airbender. Each iteration was technically the same person and they can over time gain memories and experiences from their previous lives but each individual Avatar was completely different. Maybe they had similar quirks and personality traits but at their core, while the same person ultimately, they are individually different people. I don't know food for thought. Like I said this is from my, admittedly rusty, knowledge of the show since I haven't gone back and watched volume four through six in a while. If they ever did outright state that Ozpin will overwrite Oscar completely in the show please tell me where they did and maybe even link me a clip so I can see it myself. But if they never did outright confirm that Oscar will be no more when Ozpin fully merges with him then a lot of people really need to cool their jets and wait until that event inevitably happens to see who is left. Ozpin, Oscar or maybe a mix of both. Considering it seems to me they might be hinting at a possible relationship between Oscar and Ruby that goes further than friendship I'm more in the category that Oscar will still be at his core himself.
I’m fairly confident that the general concept of Ozpin being either immortal or someone who reincarnates was around from the beginning of RWBY. Monty had mentioned that all the names in RWBY related to a color except for Ozpin for reasons and that the color naming came out of the Great War in Remnant if I recall.
That said I don’t think they wanted to “lose” a member of the main cast again so soon after Pyrrha so they created Oscar.
Some thoughts on his development and character:
The writers have definitely not done as well as they could. Oscar does have character, if you look at how he has changed and how these monologuing scenes from other characters have effected him. Volume 5 did do him dirty because it was mainly Oz taking over, but we see in his scene with Ruby that he is scared and never wanted to be a huntsman, but since he doesn't get to decide anymore he has to try his best. IF they take this and run with it, they could emphasize his frustration that his choices have been taken from him. His scenes with many characters include him chilling in the background but he obviously doesn't enjoy speaking up or questioning those who have more experience than him. I am deeply upset that we got no Oscar screentime in vol 6 for his development after Jaune yelled at him. Take out Jaune's conversation with his sister, and take out some of Ruby's conversation with Maria in the episode beforehand, and you have time for a solid scene. I hope now that team RWBY and Jaune are separated from Emerald, Oscar, and Renora, (and Qrow is separated too), that we see him grow into his struggles more. I hope he and the rest of them freak out as though their friends have died and Oscar looses some of his optimism, I mean Ruby was his closest friend and primary love interest, he should be hurting. Also, as far as we know, Oscar hasn't lost people before. This should be huge for him, and I hope they deliver. Some things about Oscar: He is optimistic, strategic, anxious, but also brave, persuasive, and he hasn't even figured himself out yet, most 15 year old's don't quite know who they are. Also, he is trusting.
Honestly, I love the ideas of Jaune, Qrow, or Torchwick being the next Ozpin.
Jaune because it would truly fit his Joan of Arc inspiration with hearing Oz in his head and gaining his abilities to help protect his friends better, to ensure none of them die like Pyrrha did, from him not being strong enough to be trusted to fight alongside her in his mind.
That she rather fight alone and die trying to save him from the fate she chose herself, than risk dragging him with her into a fight she wasn’t sure she could win.
Only to find out, Ozpin’s knowledge, advice in his head, and abilities all come at a terrible price. And there is nothing he or Ozpin can do about it, it’s going to happen just as it had with all of his precious hosts.
To become part of the Ozma collective.
Qrow would be more mentally ready to do what he must, but it would make him feel sorrowful knowing he would cease to exist as himself, never to enjoy Ruby’s bright optimistic and innocent world view and her adoration of him, never again to enjoy his mischievous trouble making headstrong niece that Yang has become, and despite how they protest this from happening and want to save him… Qrow knows there is nothing he can say to assure them.
Putting them at severe odds with Ozpin for putting their Uncle Qrow into this position, as well as even Raven hating his guts.
Bad enough Summer died in his war, but he is taking her brother too? Wearing HIS face, using HIS voice to speak to her? I don’t care how bad off they are, they seemed to have some level of care for each other and I know Raven would be furious about this happening to Qrow.
God only knows how Taiyang would take it. Let alone Winter and Ironwood as while not close to Qrow did have respect for him as a huntsman and a fellow comrade against Salem.
Roman Torchwick, would be interesting to see and now I NEED to see how the Criminal Mastermind and thief of Vale changes his way to trying to saving the world because Ozpin is in the pilot seat.
How would Neo take this? Would she join Salem in some vain attempt at getting back her Torchwick who was basically her world? Or would she protect Ozpin because he still has what little by little is remaining of her dear friend/father figure/potential love interest?/boss? It leaves a lot up in the air and it’s clear these two are close in ways only Roman and Neo truly understood.
I do love JPDE’s style of explaining their bond in Neo’s route though, I highly recommend checking it out to anyone reading this! There are TH-cam videos for JPDE in all sorts of routes, including Neo.
Before anyone bitches, Yang is bi sexual because in Volume one she was not only checking out guts at Beacon’s “huge slumber party”, but clearly finding them sexually attractive.
Lesbians DON’T find men sexually attractive, they’re attracted to women.
Blake is Bi too, she dated Adam, could have been with Sun as Monty was clearly going for in the first three volumes, but was pushed to Yang because of Roosterteeth after Monty died because they’re partners and partners need to get together for most cases. Heck, when Sun and Blake was about to head their separate ways, it was clear Blake didn’t want Sun to go. She had some feelings for him and felt they was saying goodbye.
More like Roosterteeth was purposefully trying to sink their ship to give Yang a better chance, but she was right in a sense. Another idea of Monty’s changed by those jerks…
Just look at Ren and Nora or Jaune and Pyrrha if you don’t believe me. They even tried pushing Weiss with Ruby for this! Despite the fact Weiss never blushes when Ruby holds her close, complements her, or gets jealous from guts like Jaune or Oscar getting close to Ruby at all.
Weiss treats her like a friend and her leader, her partner in a PROFESSIONAL sense! But nope, the LGBTQIA just LOVE to keep insisting they are together. Penny has better odds than Weiss for crying out loud!
So basically, Blake is Bi, she has shown an interest in guys. She even blushed because of Sun in volume three when calling him a dork as he was celebrating his victory over team NDGO when Yang teased her about him. Yet, she also shows interest in women too, her time with Illia is proof enough and of course the elephant in the room, YANG.
So yes, Blake is Bi.
Next is Weiss, she is at least straight as she shown romantic interest in Neptune as he flirted with her, wanted to go to the dance with him, and even got jealous as he flirted with the ladies of Team NDGO.
But for the sake of argument yo her liking ladies, which she shows little evidence of, she is protective of Ruby and cares for her feelings and well being.
A friend does that, but I know how they hard core press ships like this, so I am trying to give them the slight benefit on this.
End result? Weiss is Straight with a possibility of being Bi Sexual. Yang is definitely Bi Sexual, and Blake is Bi Sexual.
Because Lesbians DON’T, I repeat, DO NOT, find men sexually attractive or want to pursue romantic interests in them!
Blame Monty if you must, but deal with it.
As for Ruby, she really shows little romantic desires for anyone yet, acting more like a Shonen Hero from a manga in the sense she is fighting for her friends and what she believes is right. Much like Izuku from My Hero Academia, but blushes a lot less and doesn’t stutter from being too close to someone from the opposite sex. And NO she hasn’t stuttered from being held in Weiss’s arms yet.
So don’t try that bullshit. I paid attention.
JPDE is more than just a self insert, it’s a great story with different direction in how the events of Beacon arc can play out with new characters that encourages the possibility of Polyamory relationships and even gay relationships depending on if you go the Nora and Ren route or Coco and Velvet route.
Each has their own unique a endings being created that is honestly a treat to watch and I feel if you approach it with an open mind, a lot of people can love this!
But I can’t make any of you do anything, these are my thoughts and feelings on this. So give it a try, if you wish, and decide for yourselves.
"there really is no reason, for him to exist, at all" LOL SO TRUE EVEN IF HE'S ONE OF MY FAVES SMH
A funny idea came to mind after watching this. Imagine, just like Team RWBY did for Penny, they did the same for Oz and just separate the two to have their own bodies. Literally would get rid of the need for Oscar to be there and solve the issue of Oscar being taken over. LITERALLY an easy fix and they would have a new way for him to be able to handle things. I really like the idea of Jaune becoming Oz's vessel too. I mean, it there were skilled and powerful characters throughout Remnant before Oz too so it stands to seem that it wouldn't be too far fetched.
I'm all in for more. Tell me all about that other red haired girl in the white cape
Ruby's identical twin sister.
@@The_Hush_Dragon ooooooo. Did she go to Signal?
@@isaiahvayne It was never really confirmed actually, some say Signal other say Beacon.
@@The_Hush_Dragon *remembers all the fanfics about OC siblings of canon characters*
Oh please no
@@rexlumontad5644 I'm just messing with the person. Summer ain't an OC even though she looks like one.
I cant lie, having just watched this video and your critique of volume 8, its really becoming clear to me why this show so quickly fell off my radar after the last volume. The writing has just completely failed at making me REALLY CARE about whats going on, with anyone. Even my favourite characters. I dont hate the show, but I have the feeling a lot of people are like me in that they keep watching because we know how great this story COULD be, even though it constantly teases and disappoints fans like me who aren't watching soley to vicariously live through romantic subplots. Thanks for clearly articulating my feelings for me about this show on your channel.
... Here's a question. What's that thing he wears around his neck? Are they bandages? They look like bandages. He had them on the farm, he had them once he got the jacket. That could have been used for interesting characterization. What's he hiding under that thing?
Yeah, those bandages are really interresting! I read a lot of Oscar & Ozpin fanfics and they always do SOMETHING with them. Most of the time it's wounds he got from the attack he lost his parents in, but it's at least somthing.
I love the idea of Oscar with Ozpin and Oscar’s design. I wished the show did more for him.
I think with the example of the chimera characters in FMAB is that those characters are important characters in that arc of the story but are still supporting characters, while Oscar is a main character. FMAB imo is a masterclass on using side/supporting characters feel like main characters
Honestly, Oscar just seems to highlight a more endemic problem about the cast overall on the protagonist side. The majority don't feel like actual characters just really barebones archetypes.
Even the relationships between characters aren't really explored to really care about them. Again with a few exceptions.
The exceptions being Jaune, Weiss, BY, RW, and JNR.
Jaune gets the good meaty stuff that actually attaches audiences to a character and develops him. It's basic stuff, and for those familiar with anime you can follow the beats. It's not high grade refined stuff like Deku or Tanjiro but the basic recipe is there.
Weiss was similar to that, the jerk that learns to be a person. Again, standard stuff. The problem is they clearly don't know how to develop her beyond that phase so now she's gone flat like the others.
Everyone else might as well be cardboard.
For being the titular team name I don't feel RWBY was some sort of tight group that was tragicly torn apart by "fate". It feels like it was just there to justify the title. The audience only felt two relationships from the resulting group of four.
The more organic feeling one was JNR with more content to actually show that, yes, it's a tight knit group.
If the original plan was to make Jaune Ozpin's new vessel not only would that have neatly tied alot of threads together, it would've been a much easier justification to explain why he got sucked into the main plot of S9. Instead now they either have to write a whole other reason why he had to be there.
It probably was meant to be Jaune. It would’ve also given team RNJR a purpose instead of just killing a grim.
Not only would have fit Joan of Arc’s “voice in my head” scenario, but also the inspirational half too.
In her story Jeanne was a firm believer in god, followed her beliefs in blind faith and inspired her followers.
Ozpin was similar. Not only was he a kind man in his original life, but Professor Port at the very start said to Weiss that he believed in Ozpin’s judgment completely and he’s never steered him wrong.
Jaune was supposed to be the next inspirational figure who people can unconditionally believe in. Someone who worked his way up from nothing and the light at the end of the tunnel in a world full of creatures of darkness.
Juane being a host for Ozpin makes sense, considering how Ozpin allows him to enter Beacon with Forged documents. Was weird why he allows that unless he knows that he will be the next host for him.
I’m on a long trip with my family and just woke up from a nap. Thank you for your amazing content.
Qrow as the new Ozpin would have been wild in the Tyrian fight. I'm down. But Jaune as the be Ozpin would be way more interesting.
That'd be fun. Qrow having more creative uses with Oz's magic other than turning into a bird.
Oz can even help him control his Semblance and redirect it at his enemies, not indiscriminately hit allies
12:52 another easy out is just make it so ozpins power transfers him to someone he knows/mentored, which could be an interesting plot thread; of the reason why he trains people is not for them but for himself. you can shift oz to be vengeful, trying to get the best host to kill salem or make his power a refection of his (new) personality of manipulative parasite. thus, giving a possibility of salem being the good person trying to stop oz (bad guy) from getting the relics in a terrible plot twist.
I can't wait for the day you eventually talk about Jaune and how much screentime and development he's stolen from other characters.
I totally agree. I love Oscar but it would've been do much better for the story if they had Ospin reincarnate into an existing character.
Like at least they try bring new characters in Rwby and Oscar should have character development but it's not like Oscar is characterized as farmer neither a haunts men, the filmmakers made Oscar as the next Ozpin or Ozma
This also could have been solved from the other end: Oscar could have been on one of the other, more minor teams like CRDL or Coffee (I don't remember the acronym). Honestly, there could have been a really interesting story with Oscar being the token good teammate on Cardin's team. Hell, you could have stuck him on Sun's team, his other two teammates besides Neptune have no personality anyway.
Introducing Oscar earlier would have given him a chance to be his own person, instead of Ozpin's sock puppet. He could have gotten likes and dislikes, he could have interacted with the team. Wouldn't it have been awesome if he formed a close friendship with, say, Jaune, and then in the aftermath of Season 3, he suddenly starts hearing this voice in his head? The voice of the guy his best friend hates with a passion?
I hadn't considered the boy superpower angle until you brought it up. Oscar just felt so... bland that it doesn't feel like he HAS powers. Does he have his own semblance? And like you said, it's he ANYTHING besides Ospin's next flesh puppet?
Imagine if Oscar has a Semblance that projects Ozpin's spirit as a Stand Power to fight alongside
@@rexlumontad5644 😂😂😂that could be interesting, but would just extend the problem that no one likes Oscar they just like Oz
Nope, as far as I am aware, he hasn't discovered his Semblance yet. Because I think that green Shield he projected was just Ozpin's Magic.
Better Question: Does *Penny* have a Semblance? She has a Soul and Aura, so therefore she should have a Semblance.
But her Soul comes from her Father, so would Penny have her Dad's Semblance or would she get a completely unique Semblance because she is her own Person?
@@johannesseyfried7933 ig she would have her dad's semblance only bc she's just basically a robot fueled by his aura. Idk tho bc she qualified for madian powers which feels kinda odd. A guys aura in a hunk of metal that looks like a girl qualified. 🤷🏾♂️
I think one of the main reasons they made Oscar is somewhat like you said where they did a combination of both of John and Ruby in a character but I think they also did it because they didn't want to put eyes on a character we already knew or wanted to get to know because eventually their life would be taken away from them by us even if Oscar still stays himself which I think over the next few volumes will get more of Oscar and learn about him like you said we didn't learn anything about him yet but I like to point out we didn't really learn anything about Nora 12 Volume 8 where we learned her mom abandoned her and that's how she ended up in rains village we at least know that Oscar lived in a small farming village maybe with his aunt and maybe the writers at some point will add up on his story from there I think at best Oscar is one of those characters they bringing at the end of a series and they slowly build on his character and by the end you fully like him and I think one of the main reasons they haven't fully flushed him out yet is because they're afraid that if they have many episodes focused on Oscar like they did with John and volume one fans would be upset about it
Suddenly I see an amazing twist if Oscar was just gathering information. I know they can't do it but imagine if a character being bland was on purpose.