Hymn(ist) History - Charles Wesley | Biography, Hymns, Impact on Methodism
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About the Hymnist Charles Wesley
Charles Wesley is arguably the greatest hymnist of all time.
And it's no wonder why!
He was a foundational creator of the Methodist denomination, a language scholar, a Hymnist that wrote nearly 9,000 hymns... He obviously had a massive impact on Christian reformation, and especially Methodism.
Learn more about Charles Wesley, the "forgotten Wesley," the great Hymnist in this episode of the series "Hymnist History."
Go in Peace.
#charleswesley #methodist #churchmusic
Jared, I thoroughly enjoyed your video on Charles Wesley. The one that stayed in my imagination though is Charles Wesley's last ever hymn written on his deathbed called "In Age and Feebleness Extreme" where he wrote:
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* In age and feebleness extreme,
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* Who shall a helpless worm redeem?
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* Jesus, my only hope Thou art,
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* Strength of my failing flesh and heart:
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* O could I catch one smile from Thee,
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* And drop into eternity!
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And you know how I know about it? Through the Christian songwriter Matt Redman who wrote "10,000 Reasons (Bless the Lord)". Take this beautiful live performance at Royal Albert Hall and wait till the middle of his song at minute 2:50 where Matt Redman brings up Charles Wesley. th-cam.com/video/RtL_xeRoyVU/w-d-xo.html Through Matt Redman, I had this great admiration for Charles Wesley. So I was kind of expecting till the end of your video that you mention this hymn "In Age and Feebleness Extreme" that he wrote on his deathbed becoming his farewell hymn. I know if he has written close to 9000 hymns some will slip. But this one "In Age and Feebleness Extreme" was so special . Jared, you even put a picture of Charles Wesley on his deathbed. It would have been great to end your video on him by telling about this story that he served the Lord till his last breath with a parting hymn. God bless him and my thanks to this awesome man Matt Redman for his testimony. And my thanks to you Jared, what a beautiful series of videos you are spreading around about our beloved hymns with so much love and dedication.
Your passion is so evident from your writing, it's infectious! Love it! Sorry for missing out on ending with that hymn, you're right. If I ever go back and do a part 2 of something, I'll be sure to include it! Thanks, and God Bless
@@EnHymn For your series and your infectious love of hymns that has effected me in such a profound way, I dedicate to you the original video of "10,000 Reasons (Bless the Lord)" shot in a German church th-cam.com/video/XtwIT8JjddM/w-d-xo.html and when Redman sang in New York Times Square th-cam.com/video/Fo--H_yx2vg/w-d-xo.html You also have the link for the version in Royal Albert Hall in London. You must know that I am a big editor in Wikipedia (in the Top 80 in edits worldwide, around 350,000 edits and more than 5300 newly created articles) and that I created the page for the song "10,000 Reasons (Bless the Lord)" in Wikipedia after so much crying my heart out on the beautiful song. I had checked Wikipedia and couldn't believe Wikipedia didn't have a page at the time despite the song having won two Grammy Awards. So I did the research and launched it on Wikipedia. Then went to the "talk page" of the article I had just created and put my feelings the same day. It would be a great honour to share it with somebody like you who appreciates religious music this much. See what I wrote here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:10,000_Reasons_(Bless_the_Lord) And to cement my appreciation of you, and I realise there is no article whatsoever on "Trust and Obey" which I adore as a hymn, I will work very hard to launch a page for it in Wikipedia and then let you know it's done. I firmly believe that the world when it opens Wikipedia it should find Wikipedia is providing information on the beautiful hymn "Trust and Obey". No one should be left in the dark about it. This is so irresponsible to ignore such a hymn all these years. And perhaps I'll improve on the very short and basic info page on the hymn writer of "Trust and Obey" John H. Sammis on Wikipedia. No one should treat a hymn writer like John H. Sammis this way as if its some rush job on Wikipedia.
Wow! That's unbelievable, I can't believe there wasn't already a Wiki page! Thank you so much for your contributions. I'm sure it's been a thankless job for a long time, but I appreciate what you've done
It’s so hard to choose the BEST hymn writer, but it’s even harder to choose the best Wesley hymn! I didn’t even know that he wrote all of those.
SOOOOO TRUE! If you ever narrow it down, let me know! Lol
Very good info.
Thanks, I'm glad it was useful to you!
What's your favorite Charles Wesley hymn?
i really like the hymn called christ the lord is risen today thats charles wesley right?
That's a great hymn!
The one you mentioned, "Jesus, lover of my soul" 😊 Sang it with a choir I went to when exchanging in England last year 😁 So it also reminds me of my time there 😍
@@ETBrothers that's awesome! How long were you on exchange? Did you get to film or record your experience at all?
Maybe Blessed Assurance, but it’s really hard to choose.
Thank you, Jared, for this piece on Charles Wesley. It was both informative and interesting, and I like your idea of highlighting the hymn writers of our faith. I do not know if you are familiar with John R. Tyson’s “ Charles Wesley: A Reader.” If not, I certainly commend it to you. It is filled with fascinating material: hymns, sermon fragments, letters, etc., and you get not only a picture of the times, but also of the personalities of those times: brother John, George Whitefield, Peter Bohler, etc. Most interesting is the background and context of his hymns. As a little known fact, the famous hymn we sing “O For A Thousand Tongues to Sing” is not the first verse in that hymn found in the Methodist Hymnal, it is actually the 7th verse, and the whole text is 18 verses! (Both the background and all the verses can be found on pages 107-109 of the book). Again, I think you’d find this most interesting!
Blessings on your music ministry!
Douglas Bond
That is sooo interesting!!! I’ll look it up shortly!
Your tip could not have come at a better time, as I’m in the process of researching “The Longest Hymn” for a new video, and I’ll bet you can guess which it is!
Thank you! 🙏
I think the real reason why Charles Wesley may be the most important Weseley of Methodism is due to the fact that John Wesley didn't leave behind a systematic theology (he was a practical theologian). It has been often said that if you want to know the theology of Methodism, look to the Hymns of Charles Wesley.
Absolutely, great insight. And it’s amazing to think about how much of church thought today is shaped by the words we sing, more so than the recorded and compiled sermons.
Many people believe that "And can it be" was the hymn he began writing immediately after his conversion
That's awesome, man! There certainly something special about the text, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if that were the case.
I heard that Charles Wesley would go to the taverns, factories and coal mines and listen to the songs that the common folk were singing. Then he would take samples of what he heard and then collaborated with composers to craft out Hymns with melody lines that were very similar to the kinds of songs that the common people were singing. Do you know anything about that? Can you elaborate if you do?
Great question, thank you for asking it!
So there's three parts to this question in my understanding of it: Did Charles Wesley write in a simpler style, was it borrowed from secular sources, and was it a collaborative effort? - And I guess what does that have to do with bars and coal mines? So let's tackle them one at a time, if you'll allow.
Originally, Charles wrote music exclusively for trained voices UNTIL they started coal-mining services in Bristol. There he transformed his thinking forever to writing simpler, singable music that was accessable to his congregants. So, yes, he began to write in a simple, singable style, like what you might expect from folk music.
Next, on occasion he DID borrow melodies from secular sources, but very rarely, and only snippets that were of high quality and beauty. For example, I know he borrowed a melody from the composer Handel for the tune of "Rejoice, the Lord Is King." He borrowed snippets from what we call classical music, operas, oratorios, that sort of thing. But not from tavern songs or the working music of the coal miners in Bristol so far as I know. There's sometimes confusion on this point because he wrote in a popular form of repetition that's called BAR form, but it doesn't have anything to do with taverns or drinking music.
Also, I'm not aware of any musical collaboration between Charles and anyone other than his brother, John. They were both fairly regimented in their daily schedules ("method") and kept a busy calendar of preaching and evangelism.
While there's a kind of seductive allure to the idea that Charles might have gone out into the mines and taverns of his community in search of lost souls, willing to make use of that culture's music to attempt to appeal to them to hear our message, it's unfortunately mostly fiction. Doesn't detract from the great tunes and texts he and his brother did write, but not exactly the same cool factor I'm sorry to say.
Hey CCM, I just got a notification that you responded but I can't seem to find it. Just wanted you to know that I didn't delete your comment or something, YT has been weird about replying recently where it doesn't always go through for some reason. Blessings
@@EnHymn That's okay. I went ahead and sent my response to your email. My response was rather lengthy. Maybe that's why YT had a problem with it.
Awesome, give me a sec and I'll check it out
Love the new series. My favorite hymn writer is Fanny Crosby.
Hey DrDan! Good to hear from you on this side of 2019! Fanny Crosby will probably be the next hymn writer I talk about. I was thinking about doing Isaac Watts, but I don't know. They're one of the four, for sure, so be looking out for the one on Fanny Crosby soon!
Great video!
Wow, thanks friend, appreciate the encouragement! God bless you ❤️
Ready for ISAAC WATTS!!! LET'S GO!!!
Let's go!
I didn't know any of this, thank you for sharing! So interesting to listen to 😍
Appreciate you, brother! One of these days we need to collaborate on something.
@@EnHymn oh, yeah, that would be awesome 😁 Let me know if you've got any ideas!
Charles Wesley is my ancestor and I look like him a bit
No way!! Sooo cool! Have you studied up on him very much?
En Hymn some my great Aunt use to talk about them all the time his younger painting of him on google shows my resemblance to Charles Wesley
Love it, thanks a lot for sharing
Have you researched on the Wesley’s
Sure! I'm very interested in Charles and John and their impact on current day Methodism and on the evangelical movement. Did some study on Charles specifically for a survey of congregational song class in college, great hymn writer. I really respect Charles especially
Excellent video mate, God bless from Melbourne 👍
Really appreciate the encouragement, God bless
my favorite hymn writer is keith getty for sure
I like this answer. The Gettys are so good, I was at a Worship roundtable that Keith was leading at a conference a couple years ago and it struck me how genuine and knowledgeable he was. I have a lot of respect for them, absolutely.