I remember reading an article in Sports Illustrated decades ago saying that the statistical records of the Negro Leagues were woefully incomplete and that box scores seldom were published even in the "black newspapers". So what changed? Were a lot of impeccably kept records suddenly found?
They've always been there. What changed is that the evidence is finally being acknowledged. You don't have a leg to stand on with this issue. Specifically look up what MLB did in the 1969 season in regards to incorporating records from other leagues that existed in the past into the record books. Before you post on any medium make you're properly educated on the matter.
A three year long research project was undertaken to compile official records, and only those records are included in the incorporated MLB stats. The unofficial and anecdotal accounts of games were not included. So yeah, that Sports Illustrated article from decades ago was accurate as far is it goes, but that was before the extensive research project was undertaken.
As a fan of baseball, I'm in favor of this. Now does this whitewash Barry Bonds's home run accomplishments Josh Gibson has 800 career home runs is he now the all-time home run leader
@@flame-sky7148 If barnstorming, counts, Babe Ruth has more. But barnstorming should not count, and neither should stats from games that were not in the league. That includes Japan, Mexico, etc. This decision opens a can of worms and should be reversed immediately.
Now we hear the modern baseball racists. I heard NOTHING about the stats that were included from the American Association (1882-1891), Union Association (1884), Players' League (1890) and Federal League (Borrowed the leagues from another post).
Another stupid PC move to allow basically minor league stats. Might as well add all the minor leagues and foreign league so it would include everybody. Sounds stupid right. MLB not worth watching anymore.
@@Supermanfan99 you’re right it doesn’t fix it. But see baseball opened up a bucket of worms when they allowed those other six leagues to be considered MLB. It was just a matter of time before this league would also be considered. And Gibson played in way more games than what was recognized. So that’s the real issue, not counting the barnstorming games and other exhibitions.
@@luckilew Or they should just keep the records separate and still acknowledge the greatness of both leagues. This simply doesn’t work from a statistical standpoint.
I'd rather see more African American Players..today!. I grew up when brotha's played baseball, we were 3 sport lettermen in HS. I don't like the seasonal replacements because MLB played more games. Could Big Josh maintain that excellence over 154 games ?. Who knows?. I don't mind the career #'s, i felt the pre 47' numbers deserved an asterisk. Roger Maris was hitting his HR in an integrated league.
The quality of teams varied massively. They played way less games against minor league talent. The MLB is grading their achievements on a curve just to virtue signal. Segregation was horrible but it would be analogous to adding the Lansing Lugnuts to Yankee stats.
Over 40yrs of Negro League vs Major League playing against each other, the Negro League was THIRTY-THREE games above .500! Please explain again about the quality!?! 🤣🤣🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
If anybody knows Ty Cobb's story they would understand why it wasn't a good look to have his name at the top. Not because of his ability by the way, in that regard he is one of the GOAT'S but for who he was as a person and more importantly his views on race.
It's about time their stats is added. Move over cobs & Ruth...the black players done it best. Now stop hating on Barry Bonds & put the HR KING ON HIS THRONE, IN THE H.O.F.
If Harold Varner III wins on the LIV tour does that count as a PGA tour win because he is a black golfer and not aloud to play on the PGA tour cause the PGA tour banned LIV golfers?
Im happy for the negro leagues in particular Josh Gibson my dad saw him play in PR and called him the greatest hitter he ever saw. Thank you MLB. Congratulation to the Gibson family🙏
@@rcmysm9123Maybe, we don’t really know. But, even with the merger of records- B Bonds is the HR king in MLB records. And, if you don’t like the steroids- then it’s Hank Aaron- another former Negro league player.
I remember reading an article in Sports Illustrated decades ago saying that the statistical records of the Negro Leagues were woefully incomplete and that box scores seldom were published even in the "black newspapers". So what changed? Were a lot of impeccably kept records suddenly found?
They've always been there. What changed is that the evidence is finally being acknowledged. You don't have a leg to stand on with this issue. Specifically look up what MLB did in the 1969 season in regards to incorporating records from other leagues that existed in the past into the record books. Before you post on any medium make you're properly educated on the matter.
exactly!
A three year long research project was undertaken to compile official records, and only those records are included in the incorporated MLB stats. The unofficial and anecdotal accounts of games were not included. So yeah, that Sports Illustrated article from decades ago was accurate as far is it goes, but that was before the extensive research project was undertaken.
These stats...will largely be ignored as a stunt by MLB, and rightfully so.
Did they say Gibson hit only 165 homeruns ?
Bob feller 98mph plus fastball& great curve against josh gibson : three pitch strikeout
As a fan of baseball, I'm in favor of this. Now does this whitewash Barry Bonds's home run accomplishments Josh Gibson has 800 career home runs is he now the all-time home run leader
His factual statistics show 166 career home runs.
He’s got more than that if one counts the bar storming, winter ball in Latin America. But it’s what one chooses to count.
F*** Barry. I’ll take Paige any day.
@@Supermanfan99 Some say 166, some say 224. That's the problem. The records were not accurately kept and shouldn't be included.
@@flame-sky7148 If barnstorming, counts, Babe Ruth has more. But barnstorming should not count, and neither should stats from games that were not in the league. That includes Japan, Mexico, etc. This decision opens a can of worms and should be reversed immediately.
I think it's about time.
I disagree with this, because the statistics are not comparable and this reeks of political correctness.
typical corporate BS
Now we hear the modern baseball racists. I heard NOTHING about the stats that were included from the American Association (1882-1891), Union Association (1884), Players' League (1890) and Federal League (Borrowed the leagues from another post).
So why not the Japan League stats?
Or are YOU now the racist?
When are we included AAA, AA and A league stats too? 🤔
@@rcmysm9123 you really are mad about this.
@@trillavanilla3425
You really care what I feel.
lol
"It's a much needed adjustment"? How the hell do you know?
600 games?
Another stupid PC move to allow basically minor league stats. Might as well add all the minor leagues and foreign league so it would include everybody. Sounds stupid right. MLB not worth watching anymore.
I'm so happy that I lived long enough to see this day....
Dude played less than 4 MLB seasons worth of games. I get he’s a legendary player, but this is idiotic.
And so was segregation. If there is no segregation, then we’re not at this point.
@@flame-sky7148 Can’t change the past and this doesn’t fix it.
@@Supermanfan99then players like Ty Cobb shouldn’t be included.
@@Supermanfan99 you’re right it doesn’t fix it. But see baseball opened up a bucket of worms when they allowed those other six leagues to be considered MLB. It was just a matter of time before this league would also be considered. And Gibson played in way more games than what was recognized. So that’s the real issue, not counting the barnstorming games and other exhibitions.
@@luckilew Or they should just keep the records separate and still acknowledge the greatness of both leagues. This simply doesn’t work from a statistical standpoint.
I'd rather see more African American Players..today!. I grew up when brotha's played baseball, we were 3 sport lettermen in HS. I don't like the seasonal replacements because MLB played more games. Could Big Josh maintain that excellence over 154 games ?. Who knows?. I don't mind the career #'s, i felt the pre 47' numbers deserved an asterisk. Roger Maris was hitting his HR in an integrated league.
RESPEKKK WILL BE PAID! Even if we have to raid them gotdamn record books 😂😂😂
Lol no! 45 games a year vs 151 to Cobb!
Cobb only played against white players and not all the best players in America! A fastball was around 85 to 90 miles an hour!😅
Just because Cobb played more games doesn't make him better. The numbers don't lie, that's why a panel of experts put Gibson on top.
@@calm1047gibson only played black players
@fbj59 lol what Gibson 808 hits lol
@fbj59 numbers don't lie and Gibson had like a 3 year career to Cobbs 20 years!
They were different leagues doesn’t make sense.
THE GOAT!!!!❤ whoever dont like it. EAT IT
The quality of teams varied massively. They played way less games against minor league talent. The MLB is grading their achievements on a curve just to virtue signal. Segregation was horrible but it would be analogous to adding the Lansing Lugnuts to Yankee stats.
Throughout about 500 exhibition games between MLB and the Negro Leagues, the negro league teams were 33 games over .500. Don't be racist.
Over 40yrs of Negro League vs Major League playing against each other, the Negro League was THIRTY-THREE games above .500! Please explain again about the quality!?! 🤣🤣🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
MLB talent was subpar to the NBL.
@@fbj59lol 😂
@@robfaison5726 So, you keep players out your league because they are better than the players you have, and NOW you say the quality was less,....yeah
I don't care what kind of Mickey Mouse statistics they dig up Ty Cobb will always have the highest career batting average
Nope.
Technically it's still true because he actually did play in the mlb. Js.
If anybody knows Ty Cobb's story they would understand why it wasn't a good look to have his name at the top.
Not because of his ability by the way, in that regard he is one of the GOAT'S but for who he was as a person and more importantly his views on race.
RIGHT !!!
Actually not, he is not on the top of the list.
It's about time their stats is added. Move over cobs & Ruth...the black players done it best. Now stop hating on Barry Bonds & put the HR KING ON HIS THRONE, IN THE H.O.F.
It's Cobb not cobs
@@highschoolbigshot hey school teacher, I spelled it right cuz he was a racist prick anyway. Therefore he gets no respect from me.
Lol none of these players were and will never be better then ruth or Cobb
Barry Bonds cheated
If Harold Varner III wins on the LIV tour does that count as a PGA tour win because he is a black golfer and not aloud to play on the PGA tour cause the PGA tour banned LIV golfers?
No because the banning of LIV golfers isn't based on race....
Ridiculous
@@dukestandard4743 How many Mexican / Latinos played in the Negro leagues?
This long after the fact? No.
Shit got nothing to do with George Floyd
Im happy for the negro leagues in particular Josh Gibson my dad saw him play in PR and called him the greatest hitter he ever saw. Thank you MLB. Congratulation to the Gibson family🙏
Sadaharu Oh is the greatest home run hitter of all time, not Josh Gibson
Congrats to the Oh family.
@@rcmysm9123 SALTY?
@@eddierivera1860
Hypocrisy?
@@rcmysm9123Maybe, we don’t really know. But, even with the merger of records- B Bonds is the HR king in MLB records. And, if you don’t like the steroids- then it’s Hank Aaron- another former Negro league player.
@@GeechieDan-uu9wm
Nope, white liberals have decided to take it away from Bonds and Aaron.and black people just nod their head and applaud.
We wuz kangz and shhhhhiiiiiieeeettttt!
Yes we were, thanks for the validation but we don't need your validation. That rock over there you cam from under, go back racist.
lol gotta find some new ways to COPE. “We wuz KANGZ” isn’t even original. It’s from Dave Chappell