We never had a “low ready”. This may have been lost in translation. It was always “High Ready” as far as scoring, lines or outside the big bottle did not count. Outside the inner bottle, was 2. The target was also a QIT 97. Hope this helps. Federal Air Marshal 2002-2021
@3:37 to 3:57. I was taught that "low ready" is essentally you align the sights to the target, then you bring the gun just down enough to see most of the target over the gun. It's basically as if you're trying to have the gun ready to go, but you need to see the entire target/person. I'm not an Air Marshall or anything, but I just wanted to help with what I can. Thanks for the dedication to provide accurate content on a drill that is seemingly impossible to find accurate info on.
I was discussing this with Ken Hackathorn, who actually taught a couple of classes for the federal air marshals back in the day. His comment was, "You have to remember, the air marshals changed their scoring system quite a bit over time. But the first time I conducted a class for them, it was: Inside the big bottle - what some people call "the outer bottle" - was 5 points. Anything outside the big bottle was 0 points. You had to have at least 135 out of a possible 150 points to pass, which meant you couldn't drop more than three shots outside the big bottle. And if you even touched the line on the big bottle, you got the lower score." So, no points for missing the bottle, or even touching its outline.
@@Tier1Concealed You're welcome. This is a topic I wondered about, myself, and it's good to have the information straight from someone who was there, and therefore KNOWS.
@@Tier1Concealed Also according to Ken Hackathorn, when he was running the air marshals through the qual, the broken line around the bottom of the bottle wasn't there, nor was the solid line at the bottom of the "short big bottle." Rather it was just all one "tall big bottle." Which is how you guys were scoring it, just thought that was worth mentioning. Applying the 5/0 scoring system, with everything inside the tall big bottle counting 5, and anything outside that, or even touching the line, counting 0, the scores would have been: TICS: 150. CLARKSHOOTER: 145. ADAMSIZZLE: 140. GUN_N_GRAPHICS: 120. HIGHRISKFITNESS2.0: 135 ON-TARGET BUT OVERTIME ON THE RELOAD DRILL. MILESMORTENSEN: 135. So, using the actual, original scoring system didn't really change the final results, still the same four of six Passes.
The FBI qual target is based on the QIT 99. It spec's I've seen indicate the FAMS target is based on the QIT 97. Also, the torso and head boxes are connected in a specific way creating an inner 5 point zone. Any hit on the line of the 5 pt. zone out to inside the large bottle is 2 points. Line breaks on the outer bottle line are a miss. The bottom of the center mass box on the FAMS target is 1" shorter than the center mass box on the FBI target. I have made a template which is a hybrid of the QIT 97 and 99 so I can shoot either qual on the same target.
This. The connected inner 5 point zone then is the "small bottle" which then, it makes sense to award two points for hits outside of this area because you are still in the main silhouette. FAMs absolutely have zero room for error. Article or interview (can't remember which it was) with Matt Graham of Ares Watch Co. details that concept of a tiny tiny margin of error; having to potentially make that shot on a plane and those 2pt. fliers are not okay. Just a simple target change makes it make more sense.
@@JJLTACTICALSOLUTIONS I may not shoot for a job as much as I want to, however when you run tests where misses are automatic failures and overtime is a hefty penalty, I think that is much harder than a test you’re allowed to miss on and claim ‘qualified immunity’. As a citizen you don’t have those privileges or benefits of a police department and the resources to protect you, so you make your shots count. That’s why a miss is an automatic failure.
@@Braindoner101 Let me help you and this will make you very happy. The course of fire is no longer a requirement anymore. Over half my class failed. The agency dropped the tactical pistol course in 2002.
@@JJLTACTICALSOLUTIONS Hey, I’m just telling you this was a relatively easy course of drills. The fact that you can miss the target but get points for hitting the paper while getting points is silly. I’m not the one that got offended.
Digging the content guys and great shooting! The explanation for still getting points outside the silhouette is it’s a reduced target area symbolizing potentially lethal shots on a person. Outside of the lines would still constitute hits on a person but more than likely survivable. Just stand directly in front of the target and you guys can reference it off of each other.
Just discovered you guys, can't believe you have less than 100k subs. Great content through the channel guys, please don't phase out like everyone else I discover lol.
Sawyer's reload on the 7th stage on your original video was FIRE!!!! He was lightning fast. Both videos are informative and appreciated. Now I need to find a range that will allow this so I can attempt it too. I printed the PDF and am ready!
Food for thought. Chris Christian posted an article on NRA Shooting Illustrated (3.11.19) on this course of fire and that target FBI-QIT-97 is the target to use. And it does seem to make sense with the 5 point and 2 point issue with needing to be inside the Coke bottle versus still getting points if just on the paper.
@@Tier1Concealed I don't know where to find a written version unfortunately. In these videos he does clearly explain target, par times, distances, and all other relevant information. Rifle: th-cam.com/video/XeXAOpXlpOU/w-d-xo.html Pistol: th-cam.com/video/r11F9ZDzBaE/w-d-xo.html
@A Truth Seeker You’re incorrect about the type of handgun carried by FAMs, they carry a Glock 19, which fires 9mm and have for over a year. They did carry a Sig P229, which had roughly a 12 lbs double action trigger pull and then went down to roughly 4 lbs single action trigger pull. You were correct about the holster, they carried a DeSantis leather holster but could wear any type of cover garment, didn’t have to be a jacket. And the FAM service hasn’t used the TPC as a qualifier since mid ‘02, they’ve used the PPC qualification since that time. Stage 3 was referred as a 6 round rhythm dri ll, which took a lot of practice with the Sig p229 DA/SA trigger. So for entertainment purposes, they were pretty close with their second attempt. Correct pistol but older course of fire.
The correct target is sold by Action Target and is 'QIT-97''. It is currently labeled the 'FBI Modified QIT Qualification Target' but more than one target uses that same name. It is the same shortened 'Q' as yours but the center high scoring area is different. The narrow pencil-like center section is fourteen inches tall, four inches wide with the top third of it being three inches wide. Only hits in the narrow section receive 5 points. Anywhere else in the silhouette is 2 points. If you want to save money on targets then just fold a standard sheet of paper in half lengthwise, that is 4 1/4 by 11. Put all your hits on that in the allotted time and you will be good.
I'll add a little more. I've shot this with a USM and you are correct about using the QIT-97. However, stage four and seven are both empty chamber reloads.
That scoring has to be off. Why the hell would they give you two points for missing the target entirely? I think y’all had it right the first time. Nice shooting either way, thanks for the upload.
@@Tier1Concealed 5 points for stopping the threat, but only two points for causing loss of cabin pressure… ? 🤔 I feel like being a Sky-Cop should be a tad harder.
I been doing this test for 2 years it's got a little bit of everything from a bill drill to a little bit of EL Presidentay, been passing with a red dot with a shadow system 920 but the red dot for me on this drill is harder than iron sites. Been thinking about taking it of permanently.
WARNING: The following comment is from an ex Federal Air Marshal. Here is a little history of the Federal Air Marshal original tactical pistol course. The FAM TPC (Federal air marshal tactical pistol course) was required to pass the academy back in 2001. The student had 3 attempts towards the end of training or they were let go. The original firearm that was used was the Sig P229 chambered in .357 Sig. The course of fire that everyone does on these TH-cam videos are normally incorrect. They always use the incorrect firearm, ammunition, holster and cover garment. Also on stage 3 the 6 round ‘ rhythm’ drill has a 3 second time but no one knows that you can not have more than 0.60 second spread between rounds. This was the stage I struggled with because I got all 6 rounds out in under 3 seconds but I had a spread of over 0.60 seconds between 1 of the rounds. I failed my first 2 attempts but passed on my 3rd and final attempt. Also what people don’t understand is if you failed on your 3rd attempt they had you pack your bags and you were let go so that adds a TON of stress knowing if you fail you were fired. Now the surprise: The FAM TPC (Federal air marshal tactical pistol course) is no longer required to graduate the FAM training. I felt this was a huge mistake back in 2002. I guess I was biased with the agencies decision to not use it for graduation because I passed the original TPC. So in reality when videos are done like this on TH-cam it’s kind of for entertainment purposes due to the fact Air Marshals are no longer using this course of fire (test) due to the fact over 60% of students couldn’t pass it anyways. Now it gets worse. In an attempt to design another advanced test they changed it and called it the ATPC (Aircraft tactical pistol course). What’s interesting about this course of fire is there are aircraft seats and dummies. So when the buzzer (PAC-timer) goes off you would either shoot from the aircraft seat, or lean out in the isle and shoot, etc. Now here is the bad news: The ATPC test was originally supposed to be pass or fail but once again so many students were failing they just made it a participation only test. Again I was upset due to the fact the agency was ‘ dumbing down’ the standards just to fill seats. To the maker of this TH-cam video; Your attempt was good. The Glock apparently is the new weapon the FAMs have now or are going to get them soon but the Glock was never used on the TPC. By you guys utilizing the Glock with 9mm and not the Sig P229 with .357 Sig, well you had a handicap. The TPC times were designed with the Sig P229 chambered with .357 Sig. By utilizing the Glock chambered in 9mm, well let’s say it was easier for the shooters in this video. May I suggest you use a Sig P229 chambered in .357 Sig and give it another go. I wish I lived by your guys because I have not shot the FAM TPC in over 11 years.
I was in Ogden for Thanksgiving. I'd really like to try out some appendix carry holsters. I'll be less than 3 miles away from you at Christmas. Any test drives on holsters ? PS... When I was in LE - The local Sheriffs office determined LOW READY would be with the firearm pointing towards the "feet" of the target.
My latest test score was 136 BUT .34. seconds OVER time on stage 7 - so I didn't pass. One thing for sure, I'll be a better shot, whether I ever pass this or not.
That’s not the target I shot my TPC course on. There was an inner and outer bottle, inner was 5 pts, outer was 2 and a miss was 0. 6 shot rhythm drill also had to meet split times as well as total time.
Wow, how they dropped the standards! Let’s see the real real qual with a SIG229 in 357 sig and original qualifications course. Anyone can pass this with minimum practice. Unfortunately they had to change the qual because to many could not pass the original!
The air Marshall standards are pretty easy. Grs standards for cia contracting are the hardest pistol standards. If you know anyone with grs, and they'll tell you, that's the ultimate standard
Damn, wrong again. Wrong course of fire and wrong target. 3rd video will nail it!!! The target used is the TRS-IICB, and the course of fire is the standard FLETC PPC. The only difference is FAMS require a 255/300 where other agencies require a 225/300. You got the Glock 19 Gen 5 MOS right.
Again all you dudes are pretty good shooters. Sawyer? Curly redhead dude, He’s prolly your best though. Always under time and his groups always seem to be…….better.
The pdf from gunlaws doesn't say it but others do, the inner boxes count as 5 points, outside of those but inside the "bottle" count as 2, outside the bottle is 0. That would make sense to me. Either way, I think you showed your skill as even if you counted the points that way you still passed with ease. And since every article I read about scoring the qualification had minot differences, I think you did the best you could!
@@Tier1Concealed Thanks, I believe you're right. That link you provided (that I finally read all of....) said "All stages must be successfully shot to qualify". I was over by .07 seconds on one stage and by .80 seconds on another stage. No misses, so I just need to shoot faster (ie Change magazines faster). If I had gotten both of those shots off and totally missed the entire target I would have had 140, so it's in reach. Thank you for your response!! Love your videos!!
Yeah I though oh this is easy. But yeah getting done in those time frames is the challenge. I just tried it the other day. I got to get quicker to pass . Im going to do a ton of dry fire. Then go out and do it again.
I thought the qualification was run with an AR pistol from small of the back concealment? Sheesh... Get it right... Enjoyed both videos gentleman, great work!
I think you guys should try this indoors. I mean inside a plane there are no bad weather days. It's indoors. Would like to see if it will make a difference. the guy with the pants on was my favorite shooter.
How about the 2x2x2 drill Dave Spaulding shoots for a coin/belt buckle in his Handgun Combatives class. Drill is Two rounds in two seconds at 21’. Target is a standard 3x5 card. 5” card is side up and must be fired from concealment. As Dave describes it, it is a skill on demand drill taken from the US Army Special Forces. Also the Handgun Combatives standards are a great set of drills that demonstrate your proficiency with a pistol. Tier 1 Citizen on you tube has the most accurate list of the standards as the video shows Dave running a student through the drills. Dave is a long time mentor and I consider him a friend that is a go to for no BS HANDGUN COMBATIVES, not range kata crap. His teaching is great but now retired.
Hey Guys the first video was funny, entertaining, and excellent. I liked the goofy clothes. This video: the whiny, defensive, and butt-hurt attitude is not a good look. So people rightly pointed out (for information's sake) that passing this qual requires a none race gun. Must of those comments were not attacks on y'all. You guys are good shots and know it. Don't worry if somebody on a keyboard claims to be better. And if you feel the need to redeem a qual in the future, make sure you get all the stuff right or its worse than a waste. Thanks for the videos.
I admit I liked this version better. In my circle of shooters, only one uses a red dot on a handgun, and none for concealed carry. With the scoring change, now I think I can do it with a level of practice I can afford. But the appendix carry? Sorry boys, that still makes me cringe. Not with you there.
You guys shot really good and passed a few on the 1st video using Tier 1 accuracy standards. I had no doubt you would all pass this even with iron sights given the rules you shot by. Why even put rectangles on there if they dont count for anything ?
LMAO! The original program was under the FAA but after 9/11 they were moved over to DHS and placed under TSA. A little history, when they were under FAA they we not law enforcement officers.
Bro people complain about everything! Just enjoy the content wtb John Wicks… But it’s cool that y’all completed the challenge a 2nd time for all the spec scientist out there.
So, basically people had a hissy fit because you guys were too good. I’m sorry you guys had to deal with that. All the “acktually” guys in their basements.
Hey! would you be able to email me a description of the legit qual standards? We've found a few online but they all seem to be different and contradicting. support@tier1concealed.com
You screwed up again. The target used is listed as the FBI-QIT-97, which is a bottle-shaped silhouette with an inner-scoring zone....The targets are scored as follows: Hits in the inner bottle count five points. Hits outside the inner bottle, but within the outer bottle count two points. A target miss is zero points. Accordingly, you failed the 1st run (using the wrong scoring rings as the "inner bottle") with 10 outside the inner ring (-30 points for a score of 120). 135 was passing. All else looks good guys. Hardest drill in the govt isn't "anywhere in the bottle" like the FBI!
We never had a “low ready”. This may have been lost in translation. It was always “High Ready” as far as scoring, lines or outside the big bottle did not count. Outside the inner bottle, was 2.
The target was also a QIT 97. Hope this helps.
Federal Air Marshal 2002-2021
Thanks so much for some clarification!! Its so hard finding legitimate standards on the internet for this sort of thing
that makes a lot more sense.
Were you ever given the option of optics on your duty firearms, or irons only?
@@s.k.788 irons only until this past year.
You may want to tell everyone the TPC and the ATPC is no longer a pass/fail test. The only requirement now is the PPC.
@3:37 to 3:57. I was taught that "low ready" is essentally you align the sights to the target, then you bring the gun just down enough to see most of the target over the gun. It's basically as if you're trying to have the gun ready to go, but you need to see the entire target/person. I'm not an Air Marshall or anything, but I just wanted to help with what I can. Thanks for the dedication to provide accurate content on a drill that is seemingly impossible to find accurate info on.
We appreciate that! Yeah there are so many definitions of "low ready" out there and the FAM qual standards that we saw were already pretty ambiguous.
I was discussing this with Ken Hackathorn, who actually taught a couple of classes for the federal air marshals back in the day. His comment was, "You have to remember, the air marshals changed their scoring system quite a bit over time. But the first time I conducted a class for them, it was: Inside the big bottle - what some people call "the outer bottle" - was 5 points. Anything outside the big bottle was 0 points. You had to have at least 135 out of a possible 150 points to pass, which meant you couldn't drop more than three shots outside the big bottle. And if you even touched the line on the big bottle, you got the lower score."
So, no points for missing the bottle, or even touching its outline.
Thank you, good info!
@@Tier1Concealed You're welcome. This is a topic I wondered about, myself, and it's good to have the information straight from someone who was there, and therefore KNOWS.
@@Tier1Concealed Also according to Ken Hackathorn, when he was running the air marshals through the qual, the broken line around the bottom of the bottle wasn't there, nor was the solid line at the bottom of the "short big bottle." Rather it was just all one "tall big bottle." Which is how you guys were scoring it, just thought that was worth mentioning.
Applying the 5/0 scoring system, with everything inside the tall big bottle counting 5, and anything outside that, or even touching the line, counting 0, the scores would have been:
TICS: 150.
CLARKSHOOTER: 145.
ADAMSIZZLE: 140.
GUN_N_GRAPHICS: 120.
HIGHRISKFITNESS2.0: 135 ON-TARGET BUT OVERTIME ON THE RELOAD DRILL.
MILESMORTENSEN: 135.
So, using the actual, original scoring system didn't really change the final results, still the same four of six Passes.
The FBI qual target is based on the QIT 99. It spec's I've seen indicate the FAMS target is based on the QIT 97. Also, the torso and head boxes are connected in a specific way creating an inner 5 point zone. Any hit on the line of the 5 pt. zone out to inside the large bottle is 2 points. Line breaks on the outer bottle line are a miss. The bottom of the center mass box on the FAMS target is 1" shorter than the center mass box on the FBI target. I have made a template which is a hybrid of the QIT 97 and 99 so I can shoot either qual on the same target.
This. The connected inner 5 point zone then is the "small bottle" which then, it makes sense to award two points for hits outside of this area because you are still in the main silhouette. FAMs absolutely have zero room for error. Article or interview (can't remember which it was) with Matt Graham of Ares Watch Co. details that concept of a tiny tiny margin of error; having to potentially make that shot on a plane and those 2pt. fliers are not okay. Just a simple target change makes it make more sense.
Holy shit this test went from crazy hard to stupid easy.
Seriously
When you are shooting for your job let me know how easy it is. Over half my class failed this in the training and lost their jobs.
@@JJLTACTICALSOLUTIONS I may not shoot for a job as much as I want to, however when you run tests where misses are automatic failures and overtime is a hefty penalty, I think that is much harder than a test you’re allowed to miss on and claim ‘qualified immunity’. As a citizen you don’t have those privileges or benefits of a police department and the resources to protect you, so you make your shots count. That’s why a miss is an automatic failure.
@@Braindoner101 Let me help you and this will make you very happy. The course of fire is no longer a requirement anymore. Over half my class failed. The agency dropped the tactical pistol course in 2002.
@@JJLTACTICALSOLUTIONS Hey, I’m just telling you this was a relatively easy course of drills. The fact that you can miss the target but get points for hitting the paper while getting points is silly. I’m not the one that got offended.
Digging the content guys and great shooting! The explanation for still getting points outside the silhouette is it’s a reduced target area symbolizing potentially lethal shots on a person. Outside of the lines would still constitute hits on a person but more than likely survivable. Just stand directly in front of the target and you guys can reference it off of each other.
Thank you!
Just discovered you guys, can't believe you have less than 100k subs. Great content through the channel guys, please don't phase out like everyone else I discover lol.
Thanks so much man! We definitely won’t!
Sawyer's reload on the 7th stage on your original video was FIRE!!!! He was lightning fast. Both videos are informative and appreciated. Now I need to find a range that will allow this so I can attempt it too. I printed the PDF and am ready!
Awesome thank you!
Food for thought. Chris Christian posted an article on NRA Shooting Illustrated (3.11.19) on this course of fire and that target FBI-QIT-97 is the target to use. And it does seem to make sense with the 5 point and 2 point issue with needing to be inside the Coke bottle versus still getting points if just on the paper.
I love how you guys encourage each other.
Cool stuff, you guys have the best channel on youtube!
Good stuff, you guys should try the valor ridge pistol & rifle standards eventually.
Thanks!! Do you have a link or document we could look up to see the specifics of the standards??
@@Tier1Concealed I don't know where to find a written version unfortunately. In these videos he does clearly explain target, par times, distances, and all other relevant information.
Rifle: th-cam.com/video/XeXAOpXlpOU/w-d-xo.html
Pistol: th-cam.com/video/r11F9ZDzBaE/w-d-xo.html
Great video and great editing cadence
Good Stuff and you are right, Iron sights sill work.
Hey man, you guys did great before, good on you for taking C&C, but keep having fun guys. Have fun, and we will enjoy the show.
I’d like to see the Achilles tactics man card “long card” standards
That’s a great idea! Should we do the short card and long card??
@@Tier1Concealed hell yeah that’d be awesome to see both of them done if possible!
Fun watching you guys. I have a couple of buddies that are FAM.
Excellent vid guys! All capable shooters! Subbed!
Thanks so much!!
Classic internet, people complaining that you made a qual HARDER than it needs to be and succeeding
Consider the "Misses" on paper like a participation trophy
Love all of these videos! Great content !
You guys are awesome, love your content.
thanks!!
@A Truth Seeker You’re incorrect about the type of handgun carried by FAMs, they carry a Glock 19, which fires 9mm and have for over a year. They did carry a Sig P229, which had roughly a 12 lbs double action trigger pull and then went down to roughly 4 lbs single action trigger pull. You were correct about the holster, they carried a DeSantis leather holster but could wear any type of cover garment, didn’t have to be a jacket. And the FAM service hasn’t used the TPC as a qualifier since mid ‘02, they’ve used the PPC qualification since that time.
Stage 3 was referred as a 6 round rhythm dri ll, which took a lot of practice with the Sig p229 DA/SA trigger.
So for entertainment purposes, they were pretty close with their second attempt. Correct pistol but older course of fire.
The correct target is sold by Action Target and is 'QIT-97''. It is currently labeled the 'FBI Modified QIT Qualification Target' but more than one target uses that same name. It is the same shortened 'Q' as yours but the center high scoring area is different. The narrow pencil-like center section is fourteen inches tall, four inches wide with the top third of it being three inches wide. Only hits in the narrow section receive 5 points. Anywhere else in the silhouette is 2 points. If you want to save money on targets then just fold a standard sheet of paper in half lengthwise, that is 4 1/4 by 11. Put all your hits on that in the allotted time and you will be good.
thank you for the info!! much appreciated
I'll add a little more. I've shot this with a USM and you are correct about using the QIT-97. However, stage four and seven are both empty chamber reloads.
Low ready is your natural shooting position, lowered to where you can see the hands of the person you’re aiming at.
Thank you guys for sharing this great content!!! I
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching!
Is that low ready or is that the ATF ready to shoot?
Good stuff guys..Thanks
I stumble on reloads. I keep doing 1r1 drills. I am getting faster but still feel so slow.
That scoring has to be off. Why the hell would they give you two points for missing the target entirely? I think y’all had it right the first time. Nice shooting either way, thanks for the upload.
Haha yeah who knows how its actually scored! We have seen so many different variations of this drill... no one seems to know the legit details
@@Tier1Concealed 5 points for stopping the threat, but only two points for causing loss of cabin pressure… ? 🤔
I feel like being a Sky-Cop should be a tad harder.
I been doing this test for 2 years it's got a little bit of everything from a bill drill to a little bit of EL Presidentay, been passing with a red dot with a shadow system 920 but the red dot for me on this drill is harder than iron sites. Been thinking about taking it of permanently.
the last video, what you guys did, seemed way more challenging.
Good set of drills.
Awesome job guys!
Thanks!
Great content!
Thank you!
I prefer the way you guys ran it the first time. I definitely was surprised that any federal test would be difficult in the least.
It was definitely more challenging!
Props to Aaron shooting with a broken pinky. 👏🏻👏🏻
Haha thank you!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼 -Aaron
CONNECT THE LINES BETWEEN THE HEAD AND CHECT SQUARES AND THATS YOUR INNER BOTTLE THEN THE OUTTER BOTTLE IS THE MAIN TARGET
thank you
WARNING:
The following comment is from an ex Federal Air Marshal.
Here is a little history of the Federal Air Marshal original tactical pistol course.
The FAM TPC (Federal air marshal tactical pistol course) was required to pass the academy back in 2001. The student had 3 attempts towards the end of training or they were let go. The original firearm that was used was the Sig P229 chambered in .357 Sig.
The course of fire that everyone does on these TH-cam videos are normally incorrect. They always use the incorrect firearm, ammunition, holster and cover garment. Also on stage 3 the 6 round ‘ rhythm’ drill has a 3 second time but no one knows that you can not have more than 0.60 second spread between rounds. This was the stage I struggled with because I got all 6 rounds out in under 3 seconds but I had a spread of over 0.60 seconds between 1 of the rounds. I failed my first 2 attempts but passed on my 3rd and final attempt.
Also what people don’t understand is if you failed on your 3rd attempt they had you pack your bags and you were let go so that adds a TON of stress knowing if you fail you were fired.
Now the surprise:
The FAM TPC (Federal air marshal tactical pistol course) is no longer required to graduate the FAM training. I felt this was a huge mistake back in 2002. I guess I was biased with the agencies decision to not use it for graduation because I passed the original TPC.
So in reality when videos are done like this on TH-cam it’s kind of for entertainment purposes due to the fact Air Marshals are no longer using this course of fire (test) due to the fact over 60% of students couldn’t pass it anyways.
Now it gets worse.
In an attempt to design another advanced test they changed it and called it the ATPC (Aircraft tactical pistol course). What’s interesting about this course of fire is there are aircraft seats and dummies. So when the buzzer (PAC-timer) goes off you would either shoot from the aircraft seat, or lean out in the isle and shoot, etc.
Now here is the bad news: The ATPC test was originally supposed to be pass or fail but once again so many students were failing they just made it a participation only test. Again I was upset due to the fact the agency was ‘ dumbing down’ the standards just to fill seats.
To the maker of this TH-cam video; Your attempt was good. The Glock apparently is the new weapon the FAMs have now or are going to get them soon but the Glock was never used on the TPC. By you guys utilizing the Glock with 9mm and not the Sig P229 with .357 Sig, well you had a handicap. The TPC times were designed with the Sig P229 chambered with .357 Sig. By utilizing the Glock chambered in 9mm, well let’s say it was easier for the shooters in this video. May I suggest you use a Sig P229 chambered in .357 Sig and give it another go.
I wish I lived by your guys because I have not shot the FAM TPC in over 11 years.
Thanks for the extra info, very interesting. Had a quick question: Is the scoring method in this video on par with your experience?
@@TheeYellowDart
hits inside the center are 5 points. Hits inside the second bottle are 2 points. Anything outside is 0 points.
Tldr
You guys crushed it. First 3 shooters were my favorite 👊🏼
Iron sites do work not a big red dot fan but they work to
I was in Ogden for Thanksgiving. I'd really like to try out some appendix carry holsters. I'll be less than 3 miles away from you at Christmas. Any test drives on holsters ? PS... When I was in LE - The local Sheriffs office determined LOW READY would be with the firearm pointing towards the "feet" of the target.
Good job by all. Jarrett the first shooter he is one bad ass shooter.
He’s pretty decent! (And it’s Jared 😉)
My latest test score was 136 BUT .34. seconds OVER time on stage 7 - so I didn't pass. One thing for sure, I'll be a better shot, whether I ever pass this or not.
LITERALLY JUST WATCHED THE PREVIOUS ONE
That’s not the target I shot my TPC course on. There was an inner and outer bottle, inner was 5 pts, outer was 2 and a miss was 0. 6 shot rhythm drill also had to meet split times as well as total time.
That’s hilarious you guys are awesome. for those being so critical you guys were shooting to a higher standard last time 🤙🇺🇸
Uber cool content & characters.👍
You should also look up the triple nickel… 😊
Wow, how they dropped the standards! Let’s see the real real qual with a SIG229 in 357 sig and original qualifications course. Anyone can pass this with minimum practice. Unfortunately they had to change the qual because to many could not pass the original!
Current issue for FAMs includes the Gen 5 G19
Reckon misses are a very big deal cause that could mean a hole in the plane fuselage
yep or another passenger
11:45 ooh. Didn’t need to see that. Lol
The air Marshall standards are pretty easy. Grs standards for cia contracting are the hardest pistol standards. If you know anyone with grs, and they'll tell you, that's the ultimate standard
Great shooting bois
Damn, wrong again. Wrong course of fire and wrong target. 3rd video will nail it!!! The target used is the TRS-IICB, and the course of fire is the standard FLETC PPC. The only difference is FAMS require a 255/300 where other agencies require a 225/300. You got the Glock 19 Gen 5 MOS right.
This is correct
What kind of jacket is he wearing in the beginning?
I think that's a Fjallraven coat!
Where did you get the targets? I wanna try this with my stock 19X.
Online! QIT-99 target
@@Tier1Concealed Awesome! Thank you!
And head shots are the standard. 3×4" square
Again all you dudes are pretty good shooters. Sawyer? Curly redhead dude, He’s prolly your best though. Always under time and his groups always seem to be…….better.
Sawyer is a great shooter for sure, but did you see Jared’s groups?
First time watcher here, just clicked coming from ASP Range Monkey FBI qual vid. Hope I like it 👍🏾
*immediate subscribe after that first guy ran a friggin 150*
Double the distance on everything for the FBI qual like Vogel did. He might have doubled the distance and halved the times...
Correction, it was Ohio police qual and he halved the times and multiplied the distances by 5 haha.
He’s a stud! We might have to try it!
Are you guys just well practiced civilians are are you former military or law enforcement? You seem very steady handed for civilians.
We're all just civilians who try to shoot well
@@Tier1Concealed well, well done.
Hey guys try the ICE-QT. It's the Homeland Security firearms qualification. I received a 222/250 on my qualification.
Not impressed
Doing the “Federal ever marshal qual”?
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awesome! thanks!
The pdf from gunlaws doesn't say it but others do, the inner boxes count as 5 points, outside of those but inside the "bottle" count as 2, outside the bottle is 0.
That would make sense to me. Either way, I think you showed your skill as even if you counted the points that way you still passed with ease. And since every article I read about scoring the qualification had minot differences, I think you did the best you could!
if you shoot over time do you lose just the shot(s) that were over time or the entire stage's shots? Or do you fail the entire test?
I think you fail the entire test but I could be wrong, we’ve heard so many variations of this Qual.
@@Tier1Concealed Thanks, I believe you're right. That link you provided (that I finally read all of....) said "All stages must be successfully shot to qualify". I was over by .07 seconds on one stage and by .80 seconds on another stage. No misses, so I just need to shoot faster (ie Change magazines faster). If I had gotten both of those shots off and totally missed the entire target I would have had 140, so it's in reach. Thank you for your response!!
Love your videos!!
It‘s a shame the standards have dropped so far for the FAMS. The old standards were actually challenging.
Well…I would feel much better flying if the first video was the standard.
Edit. That pinky was nasty!
Seems the only thing remotely challenging about this qualifier is the par times. Luckily the scoring zone they give you is the size of the ocean. 😂
Yeah I though oh this is easy. But yeah getting done in those time frames is the challenge. I just tried it the other day. I got to get quicker to pass . Im going to do a ton of dry fire. Then go out and do it again.
I thought the qualification was run with an AR pistol from small of the back concealment? Sheesh... Get it right...
Enjoyed both videos gentleman, great work!
😂😂😂 gosh dang it now we’re gonna have to film another video
I go with 6 rouds forsafety mke it 7👍🏾🎄
Lol, outside the bottle is 2 points!!! Tell that to the passenger sitting in the seat next to the badguy.
Haha we don’t make the rules 🤷🏻♂️😂
I think you guys should try this indoors. I mean inside a plane there are no bad weather days. It's indoors. Would like to see if it will make a difference. the guy with the pants on was my favorite shooter.
Does anyone know what pants Aaron has on? They’re cool.
Fjallraven Keb Trousers 👍🏼👍🏼
@@Tier1Concealed 👊🏽💙
Someone complained about the pistols you were using??? Lol
😂 I know right
Hi. This is not correct paper target. It should be FBI-QIT-97 :). Best Regards
Mine are marked simply 'QIT-97'. Only once in many years have I ever seen an article or video of this drill which used the correct target.
Duly noted!
Way off topic but what kind of pants is the shooter wearing?
How about the 2x2x2 drill Dave Spaulding shoots for a coin/belt buckle in his Handgun Combatives class. Drill is Two rounds in two seconds at 21’. Target is a standard 3x5 card. 5” card is side up and must be fired from concealment. As Dave describes it, it is a skill on demand drill taken from the US Army Special Forces.
Also the Handgun Combatives standards are a great set of drills that demonstrate your proficiency with a pistol. Tier 1 Citizen on you tube has the most accurate list of the standards as the video shows Dave running a student through the drills. Dave is a long time mentor and I consider him a friend that is a go to for no BS HANDGUN COMBATIVES, not range kata crap. His teaching is great but now retired.
If you can’t the Standards hit me up and I’ll dig them out from class and send them
low ready is 45 degrees
Specifically for the FAM quals?
Hey Guys the first video was funny, entertaining, and excellent. I liked the goofy clothes.
This video: the whiny, defensive, and butt-hurt attitude is not a good look.
So people rightly pointed out (for information's sake) that passing this qual requires a none race gun. Must of those comments were not attacks on y'all. You guys are good shots and know it. Don't worry if somebody on a keyboard claims to be better.
And if you feel the need to redeem a qual in the future, make sure you get all the stuff right or its worse than a waste.
Thanks for the videos.
Apparently people don’t get sarcasm anymore 😂🤷🏼♀️
Do you even muzzle flip bruh?
Naw fam
@@Tier1Concealed seriously though its like your shooting a 22 its so flat.
I admit I liked this version better. In my circle of shooters, only one uses a red dot on a handgun, and none for concealed carry. With the scoring change, now I think I can do it with a level of practice I can afford. But the appendix carry? Sorry boys, that still makes me cringe. Not with you there.
Do what works best for you! For a lot of us here, its appendix carry
You guys shot really good and passed a few on the 1st video using Tier 1 accuracy standards. I had no doubt you would all pass this even with iron sights given the rules you shot by. Why even put rectangles on there if they dont count for anything ?
Thanks man!
all in all i think the two that failed would've passed if they were in better conditions, both weather wise and warmed up a bit
The only thing that is clear is that nobody seems to ACTUALLY know what the parameters are
Didn’t know the Air Marshals are still under FAA?
LMAO! The original program was under the FAA but after 9/11 they were moved over to DHS and placed under TSA. A little history, when they were under FAA they we not law enforcement officers.
it's funny you made it harder and ppl are complaining to make it easier.
some people are never satisfied
Bro people complain about everything!
Just enjoy the content wtb John Wicks…
But it’s cool that y’all completed the challenge a 2nd time for all the spec scientist out there.
Thank you we appreciate it!
10:55 We live in the era of "everyone gets a trophy," so why not score two points for missing? Humor.
How dare you guys make a mistake!
😭😭😭 I know!
You should create a different channel and call it the no recoil guys
😂😂😂 fantastic idea!
2 pts for misses is for equitable outcomes, lol.
So, basically people had a hissy fit because you guys were too good. I’m sorry you guys had to deal with that. All the “acktually” guys in their basements.
hahaha yeah basically
Wrong again. Nothing outside the bottle counts. And again it’s not just from the 7 yard line.
Hey! would you be able to email me a description of the legit qual standards? We've found a few online but they all seem to be different and contradicting. support@tier1concealed.com
Ccw man the one that gives Michael myers nightmares
You screwed up again. The target used is listed as the FBI-QIT-97, which is a bottle-shaped silhouette with an inner-scoring zone....The targets are scored as follows: Hits in the inner bottle count five points. Hits outside the inner bottle, but within the outer bottle count two points. A target miss is zero points. Accordingly, you failed the 1st run (using the wrong scoring rings as the "inner bottle") with 10 outside the inner ring (-30 points for a score of 120). 135 was passing. All else looks good guys. Hardest drill in the govt isn't "anywhere in the bottle" like the FBI!
thank you for the info!! we will keep this in mind if we shoot it again!
Yeah half my class failed the TPC. Then they lowered the standard to just the PPC. I'm retired and the Air Marshal Service is a complete joke.
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Sawyer almost solidified himself bring Jesus after being nailed to the cross for the church Christmas play