Rating a War Hydra Doomstack

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  • @TheSliaz
    @TheSliaz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +198

    "Get out of here you are not part of this doomstack " Sad dark elf noises

    • @vikingcathq
      @vikingcathq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lmao I scrolled down to make THIS comment but then I saw it was already here. Well played. xD

    • @camdenodin7350
      @camdenodin7350 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know I'm kind of off topic but do anyone know a good site to watch new series online ?

  • @DartAleks
    @DartAleks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +275

    4:53 - a tower got destroyed. Never seen this before.

    • @MerlosTheMad
      @MerlosTheMad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      yah wtheck that's different

    • @Snarkbar
      @Snarkbar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      It's because it's made out of stone, not invincible tree wood.

    • @andregon4366
      @andregon4366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Wow!
      I didn't even know that was possible!

    • @kuehnjakob
      @kuehnjakob 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Every 'regular' building in sieges can be damaged, but it's not like you're aiming for it. Use more Hellstorm Rocket Batteries during sieges, you might see more of it!

    • @johnchan8486
      @johnchan8486 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Snarkbar the only 11/10 doom stack would be 20 trees

  • @blurghthebuilder8793
    @blurghthebuilder8793 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    The great thing about war hydras is that they can be made free in a black ark as long as you give quartermaster and have the landmark at clar Karond so it’s a good army to have in a black ark as it can take out most of the pirates that might attack your black arks

    • @Debilinside
      @Debilinside 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Thats a good trick. Thanks I will try for sure. I like the DE but struggling to find any good stack beside shades spam. Even if it cant take on 4 stacks, a free army of strong single monsters is always great.

  • @almasyelesbayev736
    @almasyelesbayev736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +167

    Legend's doomstack: a mage ....That is all. Just a mage. He wins.

    • @Arkani22
      @Arkani22 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheese maister

    • @qrangejuice8225
      @qrangejuice8225 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      He literally did that. 1× Skaven Grey Seer vs. like 2.5 armies of Chaos Warriors, and he won

    • @kreuzrittergottes9336
      @kreuzrittergottes9336 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fire Mage*

    • @HypotheticalBees
      @HypotheticalBees 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@qrangejuice8225 what video?

    • @Jagrofes
      @Jagrofes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HypotheticalBees it’s called “1 rat armies are OP” or something.

  • @Zoltri
    @Zoltri 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I think the quality of shade spam I never really hear people talk about, but to me is by far the most important is how quick it is to replace full armies.
    2-3 black arks can churn out full armies of rank 9 shades every turn. It doesn't matter to me in the slightest if a shade army can't beat 4 armies, or if they get wiped out, because you'll have another army just as strong up and running next turn anyways.

    • @H0kram
      @H0kram 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      *Soviet warfare*

    • @matiasmattera6650
      @matiasmattera6650 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@H0kram *also republican rome warfare*

    • @OniGanon
      @OniGanon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's one of the ridiculous things about Dark Elf campaigns; losses just don't really matter because you recruit at max rank from Black Arks anyway.

    • @Krdragon6
      @Krdragon6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mcmarkmarkson7115 pretty sure that's only global recruitment... which the dark elves don't have

  • @SexGravy
    @SexGravy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    The name of Power that boosts Hydra's only increases the charge bonus and decreases the upkeep, it's kind of lame compared to 'Shadowdart' or 'Barbstorm'.
    If anything the Red line bonuses are way better for them, which he didn't have

    • @mat7835
      @mat7835 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah although given that the general was a High Beastmaster, it's safe to assume the player did invest points into the skills that improve monsters which appear as yellow in the graphic.

    • @chobankovic
      @chobankovic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's called Beastbinder, and even if it's not Barbstorm, it's still better than what this guy had.

    • @alexeyalexandrov7583
      @alexeyalexandrov7583 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      There is "Granitescence" which provides AOE MD and leadership buffs, IMO it's more valuable than Beastbinder if keeping lord in a blob with Hydras

    • @SexGravy
      @SexGravy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @fucku weebsnfurries cry harder

    • @SexGravy
      @SexGravy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol, cry harder

  • @R3GARnator
    @R3GARnator 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    This makes me want to see a good Empire doomstack.

    • @olivenkranz
      @olivenkranz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Disciplined beast mages ob griffons with a jafe wizard

    • @GhostOfBuscemi
      @GhostOfBuscemi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      STEEEEEAAAAMMMM TAAAAAANNKKKKSSSSS

    • @ryancook1982
      @ryancook1982 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Empire doesn't doomstack, according to Legend. They make good balanced armies and aside from Steak Tank spam there isn't a single unit they can spam to win (aside from a Hellstorm Rocket Meme). Even the Steam Tank spam isn't that great, he made a video featuring Steam Tank spam a while ago.

    • @JustSome462
      @JustSome462 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I'm actually working on a handful of Empire doomstacks (I have 3 templates in mind at the moment) unfortunately my Golden Order save got corrupted so everything was delayed, but i'll send them to Legend eventually

    • @samb4776
      @samb4776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      LUMINARK DOOMSTACK PLZ

  • @ulumulu4228
    @ulumulu4228 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    on auto hydras are 10/10. One of the best auto doomstack

    • @torum6448
      @torum6448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      ye, hydras and ironbreakers, no idea what the auto-resolve does with them, but they just seem to wreck everything

  • @fredericodoreto5936
    @fredericodoreto5936 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I'm still waiting from someone to send Legend the 11/10 Alberic's Yeomen doomstack.

    • @andregon4366
      @andregon4366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Skaven slaves doomstack for the win.

    • @minerva9104
      @minerva9104 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@andregon4366 Regenerating, perfect slaves with vanguard deploy and zombie brain parasites?

  • @SereglothIV
    @SereglothIV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I really enjoy 'Rate my doomstack' videos but I also miss SYDC

  • @lordmaur180
    @lordmaur180 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Arround 5:00 the tower was hit by art and destroyed, nice atention to detail dev team, i never saw that before

    • @xiii0722
      @xiii0722 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Apparently, all like town buildings can be destroyed but the only good artillery to do that is the rocket battery cause of the inaccuracy + high dmg

  • @Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm
    @Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Was it only me or did somebody else also spent half of the clip time screaming at the screen "use the fire breaths gods dammit!"?

    • @oattyrant2035
      @oattyrant2035 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Anytime I question him I ask myself,can I call myself legend of total war? Then the thought fades

    • @OniGanon
      @OniGanon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well you can only really use them at the beginning and between engagements as it cannot be used in melee. It would also be very micro intensive.

    • @maxvarjagen9810
      @maxvarjagen9810 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hydras: 75 heads ready to lay down 75 breath attacks on a single target 3x per battle
      Legend: i cast fireball with my fire wizard

  • @alexeyalexandrov7583
    @alexeyalexandrov7583 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I've always found that Hydras are pretty squishy and run away quickly.
    I think the best name of power for this stack is Granitescence - it provides extra leadership and MD in area and "Stand or DIe" ability.
    Also Death Hag on Gauldron provides some AOE physical resist , doesn't she?

  • @user-lr8wl5kl7d
    @user-lr8wl5kl7d 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    The hydras doomstack is more of an auto resolve army lol

  • @aeth4190
    @aeth4190 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Legend : "I know we are testing the hydras, but we have a wizard, we should use it"
    Also legend testing Zoat doomstack : "Not gonna use the wizard a lot because I want to see how Zoats perform"

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Basically, you use it, but not too much.
      EDIT: Anticipating a follow-up question of "where is the line?" Not sure about the exact location of the line, but you can pretty much assume that thinning the enemy out with the wizard while keeping the rest of your stack passive is off limits.

    • @aeth4190
      @aeth4190 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@IAmebAdger The line would be "almost non existent" or just spells that do not entierly change the tide of the battle.
      As the creator of the Loremaster Doomstack said in the comment, he didn't include Teclis in the army to prove that this doomstack only needs itslef to work. A doomstack that needs support of a mage or abilities is not a doomstack. It can be a very strong army, or a simple unit spam, but not a doomstack.
      I'm really wondering if this army could have win without the mage and the Black Arch spells (which sure he used a lot despite saying he would not relate on them too much, since they are not part of the doomstack)

    • @WillowGreenheart
      @WillowGreenheart 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aeth4190 Any army without mage is stupid thing to do anyway.

    • @aeth4190
      @aeth4190 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WillowGreenheart Any army that needs a mage to perform is not a doomstack. Maybe just for healing.

    • @WillowGreenheart
      @WillowGreenheart 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aeth4190 Then doomstack like skaven weapons team are not doomstacks. Your statment is false Mate.

  • @x0lopossum
    @x0lopossum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Beastbinder is the name of power that boosts Hydras.

  • @littlearmada2078
    @littlearmada2078 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love War Hydra doomstack! I use this to beat back chaos invasion.

  • @Dawindell
    @Dawindell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wish he would've used more of their fire breath; he used like 4/36 of them

  • @probsthinkingaboutfood2982
    @probsthinkingaboutfood2982 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I wanna see him use a Medusa doomstack 🐍

    • @ALDS-zk9ko
      @ALDS-zk9ko 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Make one and send it in!

  • @LaPunaisedu31
    @LaPunaisedu31 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    that's some decently well balanced ai late-game army comp here
    nice

  • @andregon4366
    @andregon4366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "All doomstacks should have a wizard"
    Me: lore of beasts magic.
    *Troll Face*

    • @deni140492deni
      @deni140492deni 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I always have 2 wizards in my army, a dmg one (shadow is my favourite to clean walls), and a beasts to act as battery/summon Manticore (the empire one is especially nice because of the imperial griffin mount)

    • @buttnuttz6119
      @buttnuttz6119 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lore of beasts is better than lore of nothing lol

    • @CloningIsTooGoodForSheep
      @CloningIsTooGoodForSheep 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you have enough winds even flock of doom becomes lethal.

  • @TuriusRay
    @TuriusRay 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2:37 Highschool flashbacks :(

  • @gordonkroman1211
    @gordonkroman1211 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Cagherosh: dont come to camp tomorrow cus i like you (sends a photo of sword of khaine)

  • @mediocresetup
    @mediocresetup 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Flawless CA logic. animate a random tower on a battle map crashing and being destroyed. Add some dust to siege towers and walls and just swap states.

  • @SoullessCast
    @SoullessCast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Legend: Every doomstack should have a wizard
    Also Legend: I'm not going to use magic on this or that doomstack arbitrarily

  • @SignumInterriti
    @SignumInterriti 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the hydra spam. It moves fast on the campaign map, it heals in battle and it makes offensive sieges - the only part of the game that gets really dull - very quick and easy to fight. It may not score the most impressive victories, but it will handle most enemies and situations just fine if you don't send it against overwhelming force without support. Even here, lightning strike and auto resolve would each have solved the problem.

  • @hannibal9532
    @hannibal9532 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I use hydra spam quite a lot and gotta say this is not a greatest doomstack that DE can use, but it is the easiest one to use. All you need to do is spam hydras, you can give them a medusa shrine or what's the name of it to buff hydras and debuff the enemy, but they tend to get killed easily. I would give it 8/10. It is a good army just so many masters, too many in my opinion. Also when I was using that kind of army I managed to beat 2,5 stack of Reikland with similar troops. My heroes (melee lord, wizard and death hag) got rekted, but hydras carried it on and won. I think that they perform better in a blob.

    • @arka5744
      @arka5744 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      what is(or are) great DE lategame armies in your opinion? i either use this or shadespam with 4-6 frontline tank units(either black guard, hydras, medusa or masters) but it gets quite boring after the 3rd/4th army

    • @hannibal9532
      @hannibal9532 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@arka5744 I used to run 2 artillery, 4 black guard, lord, death hag, wizard and the rest shades greatswords. Right now I experiment with masters as my frontline instead of black guard. They perform ok, but not great thou. Pure shades just dont have enough holding power, they get easily overrun. In my opinion the best armies are shades based, the first one I mentioned or hydra spam. It's just so easy to use. To get shadowdart is way harder.

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Death Hag may only be on the mount for theming purposes.

  • @Keln02
    @Keln02 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hydra Dominatus.
    I am Alpharius.

  • @Chibling
    @Chibling 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Favourite stack for Dark Arks. With all the upkeep reductions possible they can becomes almost free.

  • @acrow5
    @acrow5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Personally I wondered if Hydra's could be a good doomstack for Dark Elves. Watching this video will give me a good idea for my own campaign.
    Edited: Upon watching the video, good, but maybe not for me. But then, there aren't many options for Dark Elves.

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There are some options with Dark Elves. You can go Shade spam with pretty much any lord. You can use a Darkshard army with a bit of frontline. You can use a Monster spam, like dragons or Hydras. The different stacks will get different bonuses depending on the Lord's Name of Power as well. I run like 3 different stacks in my campaigns for shits and giggles (if you want to just play efficiently, probably just spam Shades, but eh).

    • @Your_Paramour
      @Your_Paramour 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@IAmebAdger Dragons aren't going to be that great with no way of healing them IMO.

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Your_Paramour Yeah, don't spam them, but you can run a couple in your monster stack to deal with weapons teams. Saying that, you can easily run a couple in your Darkshard army to deal with artillery as well. Shades don't really need them because of stalk.

    • @2ndcitysaint52
      @2ndcitysaint52 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IAmebAdger alot of this depends on difficulty played on though, i have a hard time having conversations with people unless I know the difficulty they are on bc on lower difficulty you canj get away with murder as long as u have the absolute basics down.

    • @charlieawerbuch5352
      @charlieawerbuch5352 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hydra's are a very solid stack for Dark Elves. In most cases, you aren't going to be fighting this many late game armies at once, and a Hydra stack will beat most AI stacks without much issue in a 1v1 situation.

  • @DIEGhostfish
    @DIEGhostfish 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Except for the Dwarfs, and Khorne when that comes out.

  • @Cross_111
    @Cross_111 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really love these doomstack videos!

  • @heavymis
    @heavymis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    About the use magic or not thing. In my opinion: Use it! A doomstack is a doomstack, because it is powerful (obviously). Magic is powerful(obviously). So a Doomstack should have magic (apperantly not obviously) But yes that is just my opinion :)

    • @Krdragon6
      @Krdragon6 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. A doomstack is about everything in the stack. If there are wizards in the stack, then they are a valuable part of the doomstack

    • @vindik8or
      @vindik8or 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not putting a wizard in a Brood Horror doomstack. Even on a Plague Furnace they're too slow. Legend doesn't put them in that doomstack either, but I'm guessing he forgot about that one.

    • @Krdragon6
      @Krdragon6 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vindik8or that's actually a great example and I think it cements that when a wizard is present you should use it
      because sometimes wizards are not viable, and that's a specific disadvantage that wizardless stacks have to deal with

    • @dark_side_cookies
      @dark_side_cookies 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think that came out of one of the Wood Elf? doomstacks where Legend cheesed with the wizard, delaying the enemy army and racking up kills. We didn't get to see the actual doom units in action much. A "doomstack" that relies on the wizard is not a doomstack. Also, why bother having powerful, expensive units if you just use the wizard to win? That's the whole point of Vampire Counts skelly spam. Cheap units that rely on the wizard.

  • @Bubbl3Bubbl3gum
    @Bubbl3Bubbl3gum 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    To be fair, if Masters with Spiteful count as inconvenient to recruit, then Pompous-stacks should not get 10/10.

    • @proxyx3557
      @proxyx3557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You need masters in provinces, also Pompus is much easier to get, because you can get it on all of their heroes and all of the heroes get goot dino mounts which makes them easier to recruit.

    • @jaxonpecora4391
      @jaxonpecora4391 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Multiply skinks

    • @Bubbl3Bubbl3gum
      @Bubbl3Bubbl3gum 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@proxyx3557 By the time you can afford a full stack of hydras you already make so much money that you can spare a few masters.

    • @proxyx3557
      @proxyx3557 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bubbl3Bubbl3gum Yes but at that point you already won the game, also like I said in my previous comment getting spiteful masters can be a pain. It could take 3 turns or 300 turns, depending on your rng.

  • @sabertoothedmonk9830
    @sabertoothedmonk9830 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I made a medusa stack and the only thing that outperformed it was the shade doomstack

    • @Debilinside
      @Debilinside 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Shades are soo good. Sure maybe they cant go up against 4 full stacks, but can take on 2 easily, they are cheap and handle both large monsters and infantry really well. Also completely destroy any siege melt even temple guards and phoenix guards in melee on the wall for some reason (the GS variant of course)

    • @UnstopablePatrik
      @UnstopablePatrik 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Harem Doomstack

  • @jacawandersmok9043
    @jacawandersmok9043 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    YES YES
    my favorite doomstak

  • @daddypudding9074
    @daddypudding9074 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doomstacks ALWAYS consider the units in them. If they include a wizard, then they take into account the wizard. After all, the units still have a role, however minor that is.

  • @shack592
    @shack592 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm surprised you used the black ark bombardments as you wanted to see how the hydra army did. The wizard is part of the army so using magic fine but not really the black ark.

    • @xiii0722
      @xiii0722 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I mean, he also kinda justified it, ofc you gonna use them when you fight near the sea

    • @OniGanon
      @OniGanon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also if you're smart you're going to spend most of the time in Black Ark range anyway, except in a Malus Darkblade campaign.

    • @xiii0722
      @xiii0722 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@OniGanon yeah, cause it would be like not using the dwellers below ability as the skaven. Just a free advantage mechanic that you almost always have

  • @sirnonsense5033
    @sirnonsense5033 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I kinda wanna see a luminark doomstack now... probably sucks but it seems fun

  • @adammclaughlin845
    @adammclaughlin845 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know why I keep watching the doomstack videos, we nearly always end up watching wizards win the battle.

  • @CapybaraConnoisseur89
    @CapybaraConnoisseur89 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    13 min of constant hellstorm rockets fire lol, they really need reload time increased.
    Just to add also I wouldn't put Masters, Death Hag only for replenishment. I would rather take two Wizards with Arcane Conduit one Fire, and Shadow magic.

  • @alex_zetsu
    @alex_zetsu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow this guy sent a proper test for a doomstack. I mean some of these guys in the past 3 weeks seem to think 40 or 50 units to go up against is a proper test. Three full armies! If someone wants to test against 52 units, they should remove 3 from their own stack to make it a proper test.

  • @0786RICARDO
    @0786RICARDO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you wanna test an all war hydra doomstack just do one. The wizard is there cuz it's part of this doomstack

  • @matthiaslener2763
    @matthiaslener2763 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Considering your rating for the doomflayers id say a 9 is more apropriate

  • @hydry6317
    @hydry6317 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    my favourite one

  • @gregbowen2477
    @gregbowen2477 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No exceptions. Except Dwarfs.

  • @patrick924
    @patrick924 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good luck against high elves :)

    • @wandalor1
      @wandalor1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually againts ai HE it does great

  • @TheYannir
    @TheYannir 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Beastbinder" would be the Name of Power to look for, not necessarily "Bloodscourge".

  • @henrymonroe4300
    @henrymonroe4300 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dark elf armourd battalion single handedly wipes out 2 imperial mechanized infantry regiments

  • @alphasephgaming3178
    @alphasephgaming3178 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the over 2000 hours I have in warhammer 2 I barely seen the empire have demi knights
    I have seen them but not this many in an army
    Normally they have reikland horses

  • @iboraj1021
    @iboraj1021 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to see the outcome of the Auto resolve there. that army looks so strong in auto resolve. Might of even been a better outcome

    • @wandalor1
      @wandalor1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All empire armies destroyed with 6 Hydras lost. You can actually win this battle without any loses but you have to count on ai to derp out and be careful with your units.

  • @theovertaker40
    @theovertaker40 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wouldnt in make sense to have 2 Kharibdyssin the army as well? deal with large and same upgrade tree.

  • @andrescrespo2514
    @andrescrespo2514 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think my least favorite thing about warhammer is how every battle devolved into this type of chaos and how cheese tactics are pretty much the only way to play if you want to win in the late game. Fly around to waste enemy ammo or try to figure out the best way to blob the enemy before nuking 700 in one vortex.

    • @OniGanon
      @OniGanon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You don't need to resort to such things when you're meeting the enemy in a relatively even fight, which you should be doing almost all the time if you're playing well on the campaign map. If you're fighting a 1v3 disaster battle like this then of course you have to employ every trick in the book.

  • @vikingcathq
    @vikingcathq 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah yes, Empire AI, killing their own troops in a way that would put Skaven to shame.

  • @Meklerens
    @Meklerens 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But doomstack is not just hydras in this army but the full composition, so there is no problem of using it imo.

    • @GGWP-gm5cq
      @GGWP-gm5cq 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually it is, u get doom stack hydra and u click auto-resolve. This is especially useful when creating a naval blockade with black arc as Hydra become dirt cheap with all the upkeep reduction.

  • @dramaking9559
    @dramaking9559 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hail Hydra

  • @Olav_Hansen
    @Olav_Hansen 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    beastbinder would give more leadership, less upkeep and more charge bonus. So it's questionable if that would help a lot.
    furthermore Granitescence gives temporary buffs around the lord and Moonshadow can give extra movement to the hydras. Besides this there's not much to improve the hydras.

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like the reduced upkeep, this is a really expensive stack.

    • @Olav_Hansen
      @Olav_Hansen 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IAmebAdger I do to, but it technically doesn't make them stronger.

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Olav_Hansen Honestly, I'd rather have a larger quantity of slightly weaker hydras than a smaller quantity of stronger hydras. Supply lines are a bitch.

    • @Olav_Hansen
      @Olav_Hansen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@IAmebAdger same, but he was talking stronger not cheaper.

  • @comradestarbucks2726
    @comradestarbucks2726 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They gotta make lightning strike dependent on army composition or something to balance it. I mean, they don’t HAVE to, but it would go a long way.

    • @proxyx3557
      @proxyx3557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You do understand this will be counted as a buff to skaven in a way, cuz they "lighting strike" with their ambush and they definetly don't need more strenghts over the rest races, plus its a single player and you do spend points to get it so if you don't like it don't use it its simple.

    • @comradestarbucks2726
      @comradestarbucks2726 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @DragonX Hellfire I did NOT understand that. Oh crap that can’t happen! I’d guess it’d have to be pretty limited use on armies that aren’t pure infantry to even approach balance there.

  • @senshibat8920
    @senshibat8920 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Breath deep the hydra doom evil elf things in every zoom [vape me babbie lay the real cheese on me]

  • @sobranius
    @sobranius 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    >Used all ship abilities
    >Used all magic on fire mage
    >Got assisted by 4 rocket batteries
    >"Oh yeah, this stack is solid 8,5!"
    Legend im afraid you a little bit bias lately.

  • @Wunderkind04
    @Wunderkind04 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do a staunch line of High Elf Spearman Doomstack.
    10/10.

  • @realeyesrealizerealies2856
    @realeyesrealizerealies2856 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    All good info also entertaining

  • @liamdoherty1208
    @liamdoherty1208 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Empire Spearmen Doomstack

  • @Rcuos
    @Rcuos 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "We've also got the Black Ark abilities, but we shouldn't be relying too much on them either because that's not part of the Doomstack."
    Proceeds to spam Black Ark abilities

    • @axnoro
      @axnoro 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tbf, they are quite weak

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@axnoro Depends what level they are and how well you use them I frequently see Legend waste them even when enemies are standing still on walls. If you use them correctly, you can delete whole unit's worth with cauldron, blow up artillery pieces, chunk lords and heroes, kill a decent amount of tower health during sieges, etc. Legend is not a Dark Elf player tho, so whatever.

  • @BiriiBiriii
    @BiriiBiriii 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I low-key want to see a helebron livestream from legend, her campaign seems so difficult at the start.

    • @Quicksilver_Cookie
      @Quicksilver_Cookie 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He has covered just about every lord in the game by now, multiple times over. He definitely has played Crone.

  • @NickKrige
    @NickKrige 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    kharibbadis, kharibbadat

  • @arthanor9631
    @arthanor9631 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should use all the army. Heroes, wizards, whatever. What's boring is hiding the army and just flying over the enemy casting spells for 10 minutes like the blood knight doomstack. Every part of a doomstack should be active at all times, if you need to hide some parts to protect them, they're not doom worthy.

  • @englishvoodoo676
    @englishvoodoo676 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks mate good vid

  • @patientd
    @patientd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    With dwarfs want a runesmith then

  • @oldschooloverlord
    @oldschooloverlord 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    LoTW: This doomsday is very powerful, as we can see it's defeated all those enemies and has actually gained health and is stronger than when we started. 8.5 out of 10
    Also LoTW: This doomsday is pretty weak, we've lost a bunch of units and the whole battle it felt like we might loose at any moment...8 out of 10.

  • @M.L.official
    @M.L.official 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember a year or 2 ago you did a video with kharibdyss spam which was decent. I felt hydras are better now because of the masters + regenerate + flame breath attack.

  • @stuartyaxley6689
    @stuartyaxley6689 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not going to use black ark, uses black ark. Hmm

  • @adam_somada4266
    @adam_somada4266 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In general DE monsters are extremely inefficient in what they do not because they are weak but because of shades. Shades are just too good and will absolutely demolish 1.5 stack before they run out of ammo as long as they have a frontline and with barbstorm they are just overkill. Black dragons still retain their usefulness for taking out artillery and weaker flying entities and maybe kharibdyss though overshadowed by BG.
    Their roster is fun and with the names of power and you can definitely experiment with witch elf/SoS/HGE but at the end of the day when tackling the order tide only shades and black guards prevail.

    • @wandalor1
      @wandalor1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree that shades are amazing, they are my fav DE unit in fact, however they require a lot of micro againts artillery heavy factions (empire, dwarfs) and thats when I swap to hydras since they are not so suspectible to arty as shades.

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use Shades as the front line to protect my Shades. I find they can hold their own in melee with the upside that they also have a killer ranged attack.
      To take out artillery I like using the lord and a dragon or two, but tbh I don't really need it because shades have stalk.

  • @bleedrainbows9522
    @bleedrainbows9522 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like that profile picture a hell of a lot more than the other, no offense to the artist

  • @ls2260
    @ls2260 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hail Hydra!

  • @Witch_King
    @Witch_King 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hydra Dominatus!

  • @acrow5
    @acrow5 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Literally 19 seconds ago, timing is on point.

  • @thaton3guy100
    @thaton3guy100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Woah legend using groups? Last time I watched him regularly he would almost never use them

    • @thaton3guy100
      @thaton3guy100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @fucku weebsnfurries No. Neither are anime.

    • @thaton3guy100
      @thaton3guy100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @fucku weebsnfurries what lies? Vocaloid is not anime.

    • @thaton3guy100
      @thaton3guy100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @fucku weebsnfurrieswhat is YOUR logic for it being anime? Yes, it is anime-esque but it is not anime. Also I am not a weeb, I am not obsessed with anime, Japan, Japanese culture or think that Japan is the greatest country ever. Liking anime or vocaloid for that matter does not make you a weeb. I know your trolling, (you are a lameass troll btw) but why do you care so much about other people like and enjoy? Who hurt you?

    • @thaton3guy100
      @thaton3guy100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @fucku weebsnfurries ha! Good one👍

  • @timothykurdt7645
    @timothykurdt7645 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I'm kinda disappointed in how you're using the hydras. . . You've commended their breath attacks before saying they were better than dragons b/c of the angle, and I agree. You chose to over micro your wizard instead of using your army optimally. This saddens me. You could've done it, but wanted to be lazy to test their abilities. I agree the stack's ease of use gives it points, but by decreasing it's points there, it would gain as many in strength with using the breaths. You're skilled enough to micro it all, I've seen you do things like it, I'm just a bit disappointed. Sorry for the rant. I'm sure you're tired.

    • @darth0tator
      @darth0tator 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      thought the same, maybe not using many on the first army was right, but for the second wave it could have been pretty good, burning all that infantry

    • @WillowGreenheart
      @WillowGreenheart 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same. I think that this army is designed to be used that way. Before attack breath. After charge. Magic. And since they're hydras you can pull out damaged units to regen and breath again etc.

  • @patximartel
    @patximartel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm pretty sure the beastmasters should be on chariots

    • @wandalor1
      @wandalor1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The point of masters on dark pegasus is to have air superiority. I have lost so many sorceresses to HE or Bretonnia cuz of their flyers

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Depends. I like using my beastmaster lord to snipe weapons teams and other artillery, so I like the manticore for that.

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@wandalor1 He's not talking about masters, he's talking about beastmasters afaik.

    • @wandalor1
      @wandalor1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IAmebAdger probably true, yeah, however in this army I love to have air superiority hence why I used high beastmaster on manticore

  • @sonymancer
    @sonymancer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the problem here wose the artilery, if legend focus them i thik hidra take more less dmg : )

  • @Saphire_Throated_Carpenter_Ant
    @Saphire_Throated_Carpenter_Ant 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My modded version of this is the war hydra, Kharabdys, pagowyrm, sciowyrm, black dragon, magma dragon, sea dragon doomstack...

  • @ApfelkuchenLPs
    @ApfelkuchenLPs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Only 0.5 points better then the doomflayer but this one would have easily destroy the doomflayer one

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's not really a "but" tbh, since these are rated against AI stacks.

  • @pyrobellator6009
    @pyrobellator6009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey legend I’m trying to get into warhammer do you mind telling me your specs because your game runs really smoothly

    • @MuricanVeteran
      @MuricanVeteran 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's gone over it many times. It's nothing particularly interesting. 1080TI and an i9.

    • @pyrobellator6009
      @pyrobellator6009 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MuricanVeteran I got a Ryzen 7 3700x and a 2060

    • @MuricanVeteran
      @MuricanVeteran 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pyrobellator6009 better than what I got and I play fine. Just turn off 3D portholes. You'll be fine

    • @pyrobellator6009
      @pyrobellator6009 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MuricanVeteran sounds good what is ur usual frame rate

    • @MuricanVeteran
      @MuricanVeteran 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pyrobellator6009 40-55 usually. It goes much higher is spurts but overall, I'm happy. I have to upgrade my rx580 at some point but I'm waiting till the prices drop. Right now it's ridiculous

  • @CognetoBurrito
    @CognetoBurrito 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just for confirmation because I'm not entirely sure, is the role of the War Hydra in an army basically the anti-infantry equivalent of the Kharibdyss? Or have I got that wrong?

    • @wandalor1
      @wandalor1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, war hydras don't have anti infantry bonus so they are anti anything really. Considering how much they are buffed by lord and heroes in this particular army they are very strong. Plus unlike Kharibdyss, Hydra does have regen which makes it sturdier.

  • @deni140492deni
    @deni140492deni 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Somebody has sent a boxing kroxigors doomstack with nakai/generic kroxigor lord?

    • @H0kram
      @H0kram 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you have one to showcase, please do so.
      Nakai is having a real hard time yet I have a soft spot for this croco lord.

  • @Scorpion122178
    @Scorpion122178 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What DE Doomstack would have been able to handle that better? Shades?

    • @jaxonpecora4391
      @jaxonpecora4391 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe shades might have run out of ammo though

  • @Saturas35142
    @Saturas35142 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would it be Trolling sending a Sisters of Avelorn doomstack?

  • @grandogrando6505
    @grandogrando6505 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Id rate it lower, like a 7.5, hydras just seem clunky. (Still powerful though)

  • @Nightstrid
    @Nightstrid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hydra breaths are the best breaths

  • @RAWR26633
    @RAWR26633 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Legend "shouldnt rely too much on black arks as they're not part of the doomstack." Proceeds to use all of the black ark abilities to rely on it.

  • @soulseptem5281
    @soulseptem5281 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you should consider the faction that you have the doomstack from. Like is there a dark elf army better than this?

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shade spam probably rates higher than this.

    • @soulseptem5281
      @soulseptem5281 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IAmebAdger But shade spam like sisters of averlon would not win this battle cause they would run out of amo.

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@soulseptem5281 Maybe, it's definitely a lot more difficult to win this battle with shade spam (obviously a shade spam could win this situation easily with Lightning Strike, but I'm guessing what you want is to assume we don't have Lightning Strike). But there are other factors that go into a rating, like Shade spam is much easier to recruit, it costs much less in upkeep, and it doesn't take Masters away from your provinces to hurt you economically. So you could have more armies doing more stuff if you rely primarily on Shades.

    • @soulseptem5281
      @soulseptem5281 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@IAmebAdger Correct however the ratting is about how strong the doomstack is. So if you want to talk about shad spam you have to apply the same rules. Yes shads are cheaper and can be recruited 1 tier earlier than hydra's. However money is less of a factor with DE than other races such as WE. That is why im saying this army should not be compared to the HE doomstacks but instead to the other armies you could recruit as DE. I personally do a mix of shade spam at the begging of a campaign and then switch to hydra spam. This is mainly due to hydra spam having amazing auto resolve as you could see in the video.

    • @IAmebAdger
      @IAmebAdger 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@soulseptem5281 Nah, the rating isn't just about how strong the doomstack is. It's also about how the doomstack affects your economy. There's been multiple videos now where he's given minus points to a doomstack because it's expensive or because it takes Masters away from provinces.

  • @barisbilen7401
    @barisbilen7401 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    this doomstack would have been better if dark elves had the lore of life. which they should have

    • @JustSome462
      @JustSome462 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It doesn't really matter for hydras since they regen tbh

    • @jaxonpecora4391
      @jaxonpecora4391 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah hydras have two teen abilities

  • @Samael456devilizer
    @Samael456devilizer 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why aren’t you using the fire breath ability?:(

  • @aminerkin9844
    @aminerkin9844 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I haven't watched it, but I think legend is going to rate this 9 out of 10

    • @Simmerian
      @Simmerian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Close!

    • @aeth4190
      @aeth4190 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Especially since he used the Black Arch abilities when he said he shouldn't rely on them to rate this doomstack

  • @TheTrueMalice
    @TheTrueMalice 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see your using the picture someone drew for you on Reddit. Cheese for the Cheese God

  • @pvtdraco
    @pvtdraco 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I been stuck on war of rights i been playing has throgg with mod that he only recruits trolls i been goor as far as i Remeber

  • @Justin-fg2im
    @Justin-fg2im 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shouldn't this be called a doomstack "stress test" ?

  • @ChaosLemonVIII
    @ChaosLemonVIII 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wayyyyy too expensive and too long to recruit to be a goos doomstack, nothing beats the cost effectiveness of shades spam

    • @xiii0722
      @xiii0722 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well yes but also no in this case, cause they wouldn't have had enough ammo to win this, plus their artillery would have been fatal plus the enemy lords/heroes would have been Hella annoying

    • @sanderkiki
      @sanderkiki 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xiii0722 thats why you mix and not make 1 unit doomstacks that can be countered and are tbf most of the time are boring as hell

    • @xiii0722
      @xiii0722 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sanderkiki I mean, agent armies work most of the time, if they have items or a certain trait, just take like 3 mages with you

    • @sanderkiki
      @sanderkiki 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xiii0722 certain trait sometimes can duck you up by screwing your RNG so you almost never get said trait. *cries in sphinx carver necroteps*
      i was playing 1 unut type/hero spam armies too much so just can't stand them anymore =_=