pity he got so much wrong so much inaacuracy in the summary of british and german gunnery in ww1 the BCs had the germans having better accuracy but the battle fleet engagement had the british grandfleet having approximately twice the accuracy of the germans and the best accuracy of the entire battle, gunnery had been significantly improved prior to ww1 and fire control technology in the british fleet was more advanced in most respects than the germans, with director firing in all battleships and the dreyer fire control table - analog mechanical computer- the only real advantage the germans had was a quicker if more wasteful methodology of ranging shots. the BCs did remove flash doors but the battleships didnt
So I have to admit I did actually miss the Shima. Despite the fact that I was hydroing it. I had a pretty good laugh once I noticed though. Also thanks for featuring my replay!
Just a quick reminder. Preussen will take Kurfurst, so Grind Kurfurst as fast as you can, Kurfurst Will be a special ship and Preussen will take the Tier X Spot.
@@jabaited well with the Superships being added in the tech tree, it might get the grind very harder. They did also announced an economic rework and it might return the old NTC Gimmick which you can enhance stats of ships. Which is I'm afraid of.
I remember back when WG split the russian heavy line back in WoT, I was at the IS-3 and grinding out the IS-4 on my way to the IS-7. I already had the IS-4 researched, just not the cash. Then they made it into the new T10 heavy of its line. But I wanted the IS-7, not the damn IS-4, so I then started grinding out the new T9 after the IS-3, then the IS-7. My clanmates were laughing their asses off that I could have had my first T10 ages ago, but I instead kept grinding the other one.
Good news for you WG remove GK and replace it with other ship , and GK will become premium/special ship , same as they did with Moskva ... same will happen with Petro.
@@DanDorugh Not exactly. You will have to grind out the Preussen with FdG if you want her. But you *will* have a free special T10 German BB, more or less for free, whether you get the Preussen or not.
Nice to see you back Jingles and to use the age old phrase = well Jingles - The accuracy German of guns in WW1; the optical sights were notoriously fragile after firing several salvos and the accuracy was lost later on in any battle similarly to the radar in WW2. this was due to the longer distance across the sights (much longer than the RN sights) throwing out the sight when disturbed by the firing of the main guns (reference Sea power Anthony Preston). It is really nice to listen to you again. Kindest regards
Not only that, but the Grand Fleet actually DID practice gunnery quite a lot and was arguably better at it than the Germans (cue Iron Duke casually landing first-salvo hits on multiple targets and casually obliterating destroyers with main battery), and it was Beatty's Battlecruiser fleet that did the aformentioned reloading (mal)practices by way of disabling flash protections. Just think of this Jingles: if all of the Grand Fleet had had flash protections disabled, do you think Warspite would have survived even her first circle in front of the High Seas Fleet?
There has been some discussion about how tiring the use of stereoscopic rangefinders (as used by Germany in WW1) were compared to coincidence rangefinders (as used by the Royal Navy). It seems to be acknowledged that fresh eyes and skilled operators made stereoscopic rangefinders better in the early phases of a battle, but the operator performance became worse more quickly in comparison. (It's mentioned in "Rules of the Game", for example.)
@@23GreyFox Are you suggesting that Lutzow wasn’t sunk by shellfire? Or that Derflinger wasn’t hit by 24 heavy shells or Seydlitz by 22? The gunnery of the British battlecruisers compared badly to Hipper’s ships. But the Grand Fleet shot well. As evidenced by the fact that Jellicoe was in command of the North Sea the day after Jutland and Scheer was in port. It’s not a version of events. It’s a fact.
Well, to be fair to the ww1 era British gunnery, it was really just Beattie who was an idiot when it came to gunnery. The main elements of the Grand Fleet were actually really good shots. And also kept their magazines closed.
13:20 - 'well actually Jingles....' 😂 ... russian CV's skipbombers don't have to get anywhere near to AA fire to pummel the crap out of the enemy ships. Those planes are never have to be in danger, and the CV never loose them. They can be launched in full squadrons all times. Well done WG?
Indeed. And it makes ships with average AA helpless against a Russian CV since you will never kill enough planes that the squadrons will have reduced sizes. Also, by the time one squadron has hit you, the second squadron launches so fast that they can be around halfway to you, so you are constantly under fire.
@@Yama_no_Kitsune Counterpoint though, if you're in something with bad AA (which is pretty much anything that isn't a CV) then they can't endlessly circle around you; it's one strike then they're gone for a bit.
@@alekssavic1154 That would be correct in theory. In practice the first squadron comes, drops and loses at most 1-2 plane(s) (if any), then flies away; by the time they have dropped and are going up, the CV is already launching another squadron, and they launch so fast that they can be 5km from the CV and in their way to you. Repeat that endlessly with alternating types of planes and you are under constant attack until you die. The "for a bit" can be as little as 15 seconds between raids. I have been on the receiving that and is definitely not fun & engaging xD
@@Yama_no_Kitsune I've watched two Soviet CVs duking it out once as the last two ships, the only time they lost more than one plane was when they flew through a fighter screen which decided to wake up. Soviet CVs need a hard nerf if they're going to be able to effectively drop from 6+ KMs away.
Certified Jingles moment at 10:08: Those were the Shima torps Aetam passed by safely, Not Halland torps. The Halland launched both his Two launchers at the Worcester, so he could't even have fired those... What are you doing with that AK Jingles?
He's showing you why you shouldn't weld on a scope on that central back cover of an AK 47. You can see it especially well if Jingles loads this magazine and you look into this barrel...
Actually Jingels it was the British Battlecruisers that went bang during Jutland by leaving the flash doors open and going for rate of fire not the Battleships, in fact the British Battleships had quite good accuracy in fact the Queen Elizabeths Gunnery was a bit to accurate their opening salvo at the German Battlecrusier missed because their spread was to tight if they had a more normal spread they would have got hits on their first salvo.
Fifth battle squadron would have smash the german battlecruisers had their salvo grouping not being so tight that they didn't know who should adjust their short, the smoke were also blowing into the view of british range finder, which isnt helping
I think the GK was pretty good when it was first introduced. It was only completing with the Montana and Yamato and filled the niche of a close range BB. It wasn't fighting things like the Conqueror, Thunderer or Henri IV, there were fewer cruisers with torps and it was before the Hindenburg's HE got buffed and the introduction of other cruisers with 50+mm pen. The GK is a victim of the game evolving rather than it being a bad ship by design.
This is a pointless comment too tell TH-cam, "I'm engaged'. Jingles' videos aren't showing up in my feed anymore. Thanks for the video, Jingles. They're a great part of my morning. 🙂
I asked 2 or 3 videos back about a kurfurst game, and I got one! Thank you Jingles! Almost wish however, that it was a longer game so we could get more insight from you regarding the kurfurst and the new ship and how the secondaries changed etc etc. The Kurfurst is my only tier 10 ship and I'm not really a good player. But I've enjoyed the whole techtree line and probably will do this new line too if I can.
Once again a great and fun video to watch. Jingles highlights perfectly why you SHOULD NEVER spend money on this game just to get the latest new shiny toy, because eventually (usually sooner than later) all that money you spent will soon get power crept into oblivion and the only way to keep up is to keep spending money on the latest and greatest. And so the cycle goes here at War Gaming.
Hate to say it, but the most accurate battleship at Jutland was actually the Iron Duke, which had an insane hit rate. Also it was only the battlecruisers under Beatty that exploded, not the battleships ;) love the video as always though Jingles!
OK, Jingles being kind of crap is known. But as to the accuracy of the British Guns in WWI. Grand fleet (battleship component) accuracy was actually pretty good, and the new 15 inch guns were actually possibly bit too accurate. The German Battlecruisers noted that the Fifth Battle Squadron gotten very many near misses that with "normal" dispersion would end in hits. but thanks to extremely tight dispersion of 15inch/42 guns all they got were near misses. Battlecruisers ended up sent down to the Firth of Ford in response to German coast raids and could not actually conduct gunnery training there so Beatty went for the cult of rapid-fire because you could train to load and unload your guns in port or in the operational theatre he was constrained to.
Yep. If the British shell quality at Jutland hadn't been so atrocious, the High Seas Fleet could've sustained horrendous casualties. It's extraordinary that the Germans escaped.
Love how it used to be World of Aircraft Carriers. Now it’s World of Submarines, loot boxes, and ridiculously OP ships that are not historically accurate and can literally kill enemies in 5 seconds (Conde I’m looking at you)
I actually enjoy the German shotguns...lol. The number of times I've hit an enemy ship that turned or slowed because of the scattering has been hilarious. I've had BB's turn and if I had "accurate" guns all my shells would miss. Instead, I've ended up getting citadels out of the shot because my shells where everywhere BUT where I aimed them...
Don't forget Jingles, GK is getting a buff by being sent to the armory as a special ship and is being replaced in the tech tree by the new Preußen (which is just a GK with 18" guns that have better reload).
My favorite streamers on my other favorite TH-camr's channel. Hit Pause. Big mug of tea and pumpkin pie. Life is good. and the Black Bars you mentioned at top and bottom of the screens? Aetam is in mourning for his old favourite GK.
"you don't need to be in 3rd person to know your secondaries are firing" jingles you could be asleep in the other room and know your secondaries are firing, that's just what German battleships do
I think you'll find Jingles that it was the British Battles cruisers were the ones with open flash doors that exploded willy nilly. The actual British battleships had very accurate fire and would of torn the German fleet to shreds at Jutland if it wasn't for the faulty armour piecing shells the British were using at the time.
Just to be clear it was British battle cruiser squadron who suffered from bad gunnery because they were cursed by the presence of Admiral Beatty who was incompetent on most levels and ended up getting a lot of sailors killed
Jingles, dont forget after the New Year Gk will also be put to pasture and the Preußen which is a GK with better gun angles and 457mm guns will take over so its replacement arguably will be better so yeah our old girl has been superseded by other powerful ships. Though I am not sad tbh because I am looking forward to getting my Schlieffen and Preußen
Not only is GK gonna be obsolete, she’ll also be replaced with Preussen, a ship that has 457mm guns. Though some people don’t like the idea of Preussen getting those guns because they the inch guns and Germany used the metric system. 450mm have been suggested and I believe is being looked into.
Actually @Jingles About british gunnery ... that is just partially correct and the story is a bit more complicated. At the battle of Jutland, british gunnery was excellent when looking at the big gun ships such as the Queen Elizabeth and Iron Duke class! They were able to practice in the big grand fleet harbour in the north of Scotland - where they established the blocade of germany (many reasons why so far away etc). BUT The german strategy was to lure parts of the grand fleet out and destroy it with th entire high sea fleet with, locally speaking, superior numbers where the deficiency in gun caliber (11 and 12 inch [german ships] vs 13,5 and 15 inch [british ships]) would not matter so much, thus equalizing the chances a bit. Therefore the german Großkreuzer (Not Schlachtkreuzer) made several raids to the south east coast of england, where their way was shorter to from germany than the grand fleets way from scotland to the said region of england. Scarborough, Whitby and several other coast towns fell to german capital caliber gunfire. THEREFORE Under the pressure of the english press fueled fire from the public, Jellicoe had to order a squadron of british battlecruisers to be stationed further south to respond to the raids. Exactly for that the german fleet hoped for. However in the south, the british could not practice with their huge guns and so accuracy had to be replaced by rate of fire and therefore the order was given out by, I believe Beatty, to remove safety features and stock pile propellant charges in the turret. Futher factors: - The british battlecruisers (the first series of them) were built to fight armoured cruisers (e. g. battle of the falklands etc) and proved to be great in this aspect but the german "battlecruisers" (Großkreuzer) were built to counter the british design. Some british BC fell to magazine detonations by hits through the belt armour, not the turrets. - Beatty and his flag officer Seymour were really bad at giving signals and communicating in the run to the south & run to the north with Jellicoe and maneuvering - british gunnery of the grand fleet was severely hindered by the fact that when the "crossing the T" of the germans high sea fleet happened, there were oh so many british ships shooting at the few lead ships that the gunners had problems figuring out which fall of shot was theirs and also giving accurate speed/distance reading to the targets. The germans fought a heroic battle, got away against the odds and because of faulty british shells. It was a battle the germans didn't win on a strategic scale but inflictied unproportional damage to the british, but at the end of the day the british stood and the germans didn't destroy the grad fleet, merely scratched the surface, but that in a spectacular way! Source: Videos and talks with Drachinifel Where was I? Oh yeah, watching a Jingles vid :)
At least none of them are as bad as Colorado. I'm fairly certain I got more hits on average with Gneisenau than with Colorado, despite having fewer guns.
@@satannstuff Yeah Colorado is no joke at all. It got super slow shells (not as slow as NC though) and pretty average dispersion and pen. When it pen though it can hit hard. Sadly you allmost never get into position for that without being torped or burned to shit.
Admiral, I like how you can 'go off topic', and as you know it is time to 'get back to topic' and yet, put the 'on topic' into an additional 'off topic' that is over the 3rd base line and still do something for us most others would never think about. ( How is the RN getting on without you ? ) LOLOLOLOL.
In actuality Royal Navy gunnery wasn't terrible during WW1. It was only the battlecruisers based out of the Firth of Forth that had poor accuracy, due to the large local civilian population making gunnery training difficult. This lead to two solutions 1. The battlecruiser squadrons would be rotated through deployment at Scappa Flow for gunnery practice. 2. Admiral Beatty ordered the removal of safety measures to focus on rate of fire. (The latter having disasterous results) The Grand Fleet actually shot better than the High Seas Fleet at Jutland, Admiral Jellicoe's flagship, HMS Iron Duke is believed to have achieved a 38% accuracy rating, possibly best recorded for WW1 dreadnoughts. Admiral Scheer himself wrote that his only saving grace was the poor quality of British shells, many of which detonated too soon, or failed to detonate at all.
Jingles getting sidetracked and talking about naval history is the only reason i get out of bed in the morning
Same
You need a pet. Then you get out of bed in the morning because it is farting in your face!
...of course back in my day we used to call turkeys "walking birds"...
pity he got so much wrong
so much inaacuracy in the summary of british and german gunnery in ww1 the BCs had the germans having better accuracy but the battle fleet engagement had the british grandfleet having approximately twice the accuracy of the germans and the best accuracy of the entire battle, gunnery had been significantly improved prior to ww1 and fire control technology in the british fleet was more advanced in most respects than the germans, with director firing in all battleships and the dreyer fire control table - analog mechanical computer- the only real advantage the germans had was a quicker if more wasteful methodology of ranging shots.
the BCs did remove flash doors but the battleships didnt
You’re good damn right
So I have to admit I did actually miss the Shima. Despite the fact that I was hydroing it. I had a pretty good laugh once I noticed though. Also thanks for featuring my replay!
I was screaming at my screen lol “CAPTAIN!!! PORT SIDE!!!”
Loved your replay, though it reminded me what an absolutely average player I am!
Oh how we were screaming in chat!! Look out Aetam!! What a game though! GG!
Wait, you're the guy! Amazing, we're watching the clip and here you are!
Holy Double Shimakaze Batman! Where is the link to the stream?
Just a quick reminder. Preussen will take Kurfurst, so Grind Kurfurst as fast as you can, Kurfurst Will be a special ship and Preussen will take the Tier X Spot.
me who had GK since a long time ago: *PATHETIC*
Grinding this line is kinna painful these days, even with the secondary update
@@jabaited I know how you feel
@@jabaited well with the Superships being added in the tech tree, it might get the grind very harder. They did also announced an economic rework and it might return the old NTC Gimmick which you can enhance stats of ships. Which is I'm afraid of.
@@B1GCORE Enhanced Stats of your ships, I likes your money - Mr Krab works for WG
Me who just got the Grosser Kurfurst yesterday.
"The Schliefen is basically better than the GK."
*Internal screaming intensifies*
Well when Preußen comes out, you get a 2 for 1 T10 tho
I remember back when WG split the russian heavy line back in WoT, I was at the IS-3 and grinding out the IS-4 on my way to the IS-7. I already had the IS-4 researched, just not the cash. Then they made it into the new T10 heavy of its line. But I wanted the IS-7, not the damn IS-4, so I then started grinding out the new T9 after the IS-3, then the IS-7. My clanmates were laughing their asses off that I could have had my first T10 ages ago, but I instead kept grinding the other one.
Good news for you WG remove GK and replace it with other ship , and GK will become premium/special ship , same as they did with Moskva ... same will happen with Petro.
@@DanDorugh Not exactly. You will have to grind out the Preussen with FdG if you want her. But you *will* have a free special T10 German BB, more or less for free, whether you get the Preussen or not.
First time, Mr. Mustang?
Actually @Jingles:
It was not the first salvo of the bismarck that nuked the hood, it was ...
Jingles...?
*click click BOOM*
Nice to see you back Jingles and to use the age old phrase = well Jingles - The accuracy German of guns in WW1; the optical sights were notoriously fragile after firing several salvos and the accuracy was lost later on in any battle similarly to the radar in WW2. this was due to the longer distance across the sights (much longer than the RN sights) throwing out the sight when disturbed by the firing of the main guns (reference Sea power Anthony Preston). It is really nice to listen to you again. Kindest regards
Not only that, but the Grand Fleet actually DID practice gunnery quite a lot and was arguably better at it than the Germans (cue Iron Duke casually landing first-salvo hits on multiple targets and casually obliterating destroyers with main battery), and it was Beatty's Battlecruiser fleet that did the aformentioned reloading (mal)practices by way of disabling flash protections.
Just think of this Jingles: if all of the Grand Fleet had had flash protections disabled, do you think Warspite would have survived even her first circle in front of the High Seas Fleet?
There has been some discussion about how tiring the use of stereoscopic rangefinders (as used by Germany in WW1) were compared to coincidence rangefinders (as used by the Royal Navy). It seems to be acknowledged that fresh eyes and skilled operators made stereoscopic rangefinders better in the early phases of a battle, but the operator performance became worse more quickly in comparison. (It's mentioned in "Rules of the Game", for example.)
@@dbracer Also mentioned by Ludo Kennedy in Pursuit
Well that is of course the British version of the events.
@@23GreyFox Are you suggesting that Lutzow wasn’t sunk by shellfire? Or that Derflinger wasn’t hit by 24 heavy shells or Seydlitz by 22? The gunnery of the British battlecruisers compared badly to Hipper’s ships. But the Grand Fleet shot well. As evidenced by the fact that Jellicoe was in command of the North Sea the day after Jutland and Scheer was in port. It’s not a version of events. It’s a fact.
3:37 Jingles saying how inaccurate the guns are. Stationary cruiser, broadside at 10km. 12 round salvo, no hits. LOL.
Good timing lol
Well, to be fair to the ww1 era British gunnery, it was really just Beattie who was an idiot when it came to gunnery. The main elements of the Grand Fleet were actually really good shots. And also kept their magazines closed.
He also was in a port where he couldn't practice long range gunnery.
I'm glad someone said it. I was expecting something better than sweeping generalisations from Jingles on this.
@@heneagedundas go back to gender studies
@@gernhard.reinholdsen 😆 Aw, never mind, get mummy to kiss it better.
10:54 - Nice to hear the commentary input from Akazuki. Always welcomed.
13:20 - 'well actually Jingles....' 😂
... russian CV's skipbombers don't have to get anywhere near to AA fire to pummel the crap out of the enemy ships. Those planes are never have to be in danger, and the CV never loose them. They can be launched in full squadrons all times.
Well done WG?
If they do enter the AA radius, of course there's the small issue of the AA guns not being loaded, so they're even more immune.
Indeed. And it makes ships with average AA helpless against a Russian CV since you will never kill enough planes that the squadrons will have reduced sizes. Also, by the time one squadron has hit you, the second squadron launches so fast that they can be around halfway to you, so you are constantly under fire.
@@Yama_no_Kitsune Counterpoint though, if you're in something with bad AA (which is pretty much anything that isn't a CV) then they can't endlessly circle around you; it's one strike then they're gone for a bit.
@@alekssavic1154 That would be correct in theory. In practice the first squadron comes, drops and loses at most 1-2 plane(s) (if any), then flies away; by the time they have dropped and are going up, the CV is already launching another squadron, and they launch so fast that they can be 5km from the CV and in their way to you. Repeat that endlessly with alternating types of planes and you are under constant attack until you die. The "for a bit" can be as little as 15 seconds between raids. I have been on the receiving that and is definitely not fun & engaging xD
@@Yama_no_Kitsune I've watched two Soviet CVs duking it out once as the last two ships, the only time they lost more than one plane was when they flew through a fighter screen which decided to wake up. Soviet CVs need a hard nerf if they're going to be able to effectively drop from 6+ KMs away.
Now I'm imagining the Kurfürst and Schliefen doing a sing-off: "Anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you!"
I spit on your flag...
Kurfürst before Schlieffen: "I CAN DO ANYTHING!"
Kurfürst after Schlieffen: "I... Can't do anything! im in a f'*cking wheelchair"
kerfurst is better unless they up the 2ndaries on the schieflen
Certified Jingles moment at 10:08: Those were the Shima torps Aetam passed by safely, Not Halland torps. The Halland launched both his Two launchers at the Worcester, so he could't even have fired those...
What are you doing with that AK Jingles?
He's showing you why you shouldn't weld on a scope on that central back cover of an AK 47. You can see it especially well if Jingles loads this magazine and you look into this barrel...
You are supposed to stand in front of it
@@haraldhonk4650 That's what I was going to say. . . Wait what are you doing with that can stuffed with a sock?
"Dutch Airstrike" should be an Urban dictionary for something absolutely filthy, something like a Dutch oven
Dutch Rudder?
Or a Dutch woman
Whats filthy about Dutch ovens?
Actually Jingels it was the British Battlecruisers that went bang during Jutland by leaving the flash doors open and going for rate of fire not the Battleships, in fact the British Battleships had quite good accuracy in fact the Queen Elizabeths Gunnery was a bit to accurate their opening salvo at the German Battlecrusier missed because their spread was to tight if they had a more normal spread they would have got hits on their first salvo.
Dispersion and accuracy isnt the same thing
Fifth battle squadron would have smash the german battlecruisers had their salvo grouping not being so tight that they didn't know who should adjust their short, the smoke were also blowing into the view of british range finder, which isnt helping
In the spirit of the "if it's stupid but it works" idiom someone likes to repeat, if your accuracy is so good you miss, it's not good accuracy
@@onemileperhour The overall accuracy was better, too. IIRC the RN hit about 3% of their shots, the Germans
@@Rdlprmpf12 the british shells had poor fuses.
I think the GK was pretty good when it was first introduced. It was only completing with the Montana and Yamato and filled the niche of a close range BB. It wasn't fighting things like the Conqueror, Thunderer or Henri IV, there were fewer cruisers with torps and it was before the Hindenburg's HE got buffed and the introduction of other cruisers with 50+mm pen. The GK is a victim of the game evolving rather than it being a bad ship by design.
Yay Jingles time of the day !!!
10:05 those torpedoes were actually the shimakaze’s torpedoes that tried and failed to get the GK
10:25 those are Halland’s torpedoes
This is a pointless comment too tell TH-cam, "I'm engaged'. Jingles' videos aren't showing up in my feed anymore. Thanks for the video, Jingles. They're a great part of my morning. 🙂
I asked 2 or 3 videos back about a kurfurst game, and I got one! Thank you Jingles! Almost wish however, that it was a longer game so we could get more insight from you regarding the kurfurst and the new ship and how the secondaries changed etc etc. The Kurfurst is my only tier 10 ship and I'm not really a good player. But I've enjoyed the whole techtree line and probably will do this new line too if I can.
"...the citadel is so low in the water that you need to drop a depthcharge down the funnel to penetrate it!"
"Luckily" there is a funnel-citadel bug in WOWS.......
Once again a great and fun video to watch. Jingles highlights perfectly why you SHOULD NEVER spend money on this game just to get the latest new shiny toy, because eventually (usually sooner than later) all that money you spent will soon get power crept into oblivion and the only way to keep up is to keep spending money on the latest and greatest. And so the cycle goes here at War Gaming.
SO true.
Amazing way to start my morning off The Mighty Jingles
"british battleships had a habit of exploding violently"
I'm hearing a loud "HA!" coming from the depths of the Denmark strait.
With a million little Echoes, since Hoods Remains are in a million fuc*ing Pieces.
As you were talking about the Battle of Jutland, I was un-packaging the Avalon Hill board game 'Jutland', that I just got from Ebay. Weird !
lol. Akizuki meowing and you responding will never not be amusing to me.
I saw this live on stream so glad you showed it. Aetam is a great guy and an under rated content creator I highly recommend him to anyone.
He indeed is .. love his video's
Also AETEM showed one of my replays a year ago. Was so glad he did.
@@XLHeavyD999 which one was that?
Hate to say it, but the most accurate battleship at Jutland was actually the Iron Duke, which had an insane hit rate. Also it was only the battlecruisers under Beatty that exploded, not the battleships ;) love the video as always though Jingles!
A year on - the GK any day- the Shlief usually gets dispatched 40 seconds after being spotted
Glad to see you back jingles
OK, Jingles being kind of crap is known.
But as to the accuracy of the British Guns in WWI.
Grand fleet (battleship component) accuracy was actually pretty good, and the new 15 inch guns were actually possibly bit too accurate. The German Battlecruisers noted that the Fifth Battle Squadron gotten very many near misses that with "normal" dispersion would end in hits. but thanks to extremely tight dispersion of 15inch/42 guns all they got were near misses.
Battlecruisers ended up sent down to the Firth of Ford in response to German coast raids and could not actually conduct gunnery training there so Beatty went for the cult of rapid-fire because you could train to load and unload your guns in port or in the operational theatre he was constrained to.
Yep. If the British shell quality at Jutland hadn't been so atrocious, the High Seas Fleet could've sustained horrendous casualties. It's extraordinary that the Germans escaped.
jingles, you getting sidetracked and providing interesting tidbits from history is at least half the reason i'm here :)
LOL he will be the first to admit he had NO idea the shima was on his left early on in the game :D
You shouldn't have mentioned the black bars until the end. I never would have noticed them. Now I'm just going to be staring at them.
Happy to see you back Gnomelord
Yes Jingles, please keep getting sidetracked. The naval history lessons are priceless :)
An absolute beast of a performance by Aetam, well played!
nice video jingles, loved the history tangent
It's so refreshing to see a battleship captain play as a battleship captain should.
Good old jingles is back in town
What a great game, congrats to Aetam
Jingles, thank you for your videos
Love how it used to be World of Aircraft Carriers. Now it’s World of Submarines, loot boxes, and ridiculously OP ships that are not historically accurate and can literally kill enemies in 5 seconds (Conde I’m looking at you)
LoOk !! at all those torps at 3:02 or so ...seems even the sand fleas upgraded to torps !
I actually enjoy the German shotguns...lol. The number of times I've hit an enemy ship that turned or slowed because of the scattering has been hilarious. I've had BB's turn and if I had "accurate" guns all my shells would miss. Instead, I've ended up getting citadels out of the shot because my shells where everywhere BUT where I aimed them...
Don't forget Jingles, GK is getting a buff by being sent to the armory as a special ship and is being replaced in the tech tree by the new Preußen (which is just a GK with 18" guns that have better reload).
Thank you jingles
A jingles sidetrack is far better than most TH-camrs planned scripts
Again guys, take all of Jingles' advice with some salt.
I think he is unaware of the Preussen replacing the GK.
How do you miss the Grosse Kürfürst with a dutch airstrike?! The ship is larger than the target area!
You launch from beyond visual range because of the cyclone.
I'm so glad you are back I missed your video
Just came across you doing WoW which I love btw, but then realise u narate ships facts do you always do this because you have one more subscriber! 👍🏻
Well, Jingles, It wasn't distracting UNTIL YOU MENTIONED IT
Shleiflen doesn’t have a turtleback
but it doesn’t need one since it can actually angle and fire the guns without giving the broadside of a barn.
My favorite streamers on my other favorite TH-camr's channel. Hit Pause. Big mug of tea and pumpkin pie. Life is good. and the Black Bars you mentioned at top and bottom of the screens? Aetam is in mourning for his old favourite GK.
The British admiral that said I believe their's something quite wrong with our cruisers might be my favorite quote ever
"you don't need to be in 3rd person to know your secondaries are firing" jingles you could be asleep in the other room and know your secondaries are firing, that's just what German battleships do
AAH!!! I just grinded out the F. Der GroBe and now I can go and do all the 7 tiers again. DAMN IT WARGAMING!!!
1:16- Well it wasn't until you said something!!!
I think you'll find Jingles that it was the British Battles cruisers were the ones with open flash doors that exploded willy nilly. The actual British battleships had very accurate fire and would of torn the German fleet to shreds at Jutland if it wasn't for the faulty armour piecing shells the British were using at the time.
Just to be clear it was British battle cruiser squadron who suffered from bad gunnery because they were cursed by the presence of Admiral Beatty who was incompetent on most levels and ended up getting a lot of sailors killed
Jingles, dont forget after the New Year Gk will also be put to pasture and the Preußen which is a GK with better gun angles and 457mm guns will take over so its replacement arguably will be better so yeah our old girl has been superseded by other powerful ships. Though I am not sad tbh because I am looking forward to getting my Schlieffen and Preußen
I never got to play the GK but she's always been one of my favorite ships to watch.
Absolute travesty.
I was about to go to sleep but never mind
...didn't the shockwave from the Bismarck's first salvo damage its own aiming system?
Not only is GK gonna be obsolete, she’ll also be replaced with Preussen, a ship that has 457mm guns. Though some people don’t like the idea of Preussen getting those guns because they the inch guns and Germany used the metric system. 450mm have been suggested and I believe is being looked into.
Thanks Jingles.
Jingles, I could listen to you talk about navel history for hours.
I live for these videos
Jingles, you're forgetting Kurfurst is due to be replaced by the Prussia
Mom, can we have a Schlieffen?
We have a Schlieffen at home.
Schlieffen at home: Grosse Kurrywurst.
Man, it is so good to see a brawling Gk
Jingles, not only your videos getting wider, sadly we all do. :)
So true ;)
"These are some of the most inaccurate main battery battleship guns anywhere" as they miss a perfectly aimed salvo.
Awesome GK match. It was my 1st Tier 10 ship... . .
Actually @Jingles
About british gunnery ... that is just partially correct and the story is a bit more complicated.
At the battle of Jutland, british gunnery was excellent when looking at the big gun ships such as the Queen Elizabeth and Iron Duke class!
They were able to practice in the big grand fleet harbour in the north of Scotland - where they established the blocade of germany (many reasons why so far away etc).
BUT
The german strategy was to lure parts of the grand fleet out and destroy it with th entire high sea fleet with, locally speaking, superior numbers where the deficiency in gun caliber (11 and 12 inch [german ships] vs 13,5 and 15 inch [british ships]) would not matter so much, thus equalizing the chances a bit.
Therefore the german Großkreuzer (Not Schlachtkreuzer) made several raids to the south east coast of england, where their way was shorter to from germany than the grand fleets way from scotland to the said region of england. Scarborough, Whitby and several other coast towns fell to german capital caliber gunfire.
THEREFORE
Under the pressure of the english press fueled fire from the public, Jellicoe had to order a squadron of british battlecruisers to be stationed further south to respond to the raids. Exactly for that the german fleet hoped for. However in the south, the british could not practice with their huge guns and so accuracy had to be replaced by rate of fire and therefore the order was given out by, I believe Beatty, to remove safety features and stock pile propellant charges in the turret.
Futher factors:
- The british battlecruisers (the first series of them) were built to fight armoured cruisers (e. g. battle of the falklands etc) and proved to be great in this aspect but the german "battlecruisers" (Großkreuzer) were built to counter the british design. Some british BC fell to magazine detonations by hits through the belt armour, not the turrets.
- Beatty and his flag officer Seymour were really bad at giving signals and communicating in the run to the south & run to the north with Jellicoe and maneuvering
- british gunnery of the grand fleet was severely hindered by the fact that when the "crossing the T" of the germans high sea fleet happened, there were oh so many british ships shooting at the few lead ships that the gunners had problems figuring out which fall of shot was theirs and also giving accurate speed/distance reading to the targets.
The germans fought a heroic battle, got away against the odds and because of faulty british shells.
It was a battle the germans didn't win on a strategic scale but inflictied unproportional damage to the british, but at the end of the day the british stood and the germans didn't destroy the grad fleet, merely scratched the surface, but that in a spectacular way!
Source: Videos and talks with Drachinifel
Where was I? Oh yeah, watching a Jingles vid :)
I really don't mind those Jingle sidetrack stories about historical facts on ships and fights...
That was really interesting sidetrack about fire control radar on German ships .. please do more. Pretty much why I'm here :p
10:16 those were shima torps that aetam dodged.
Underestimating German bb:s just due to bad accuracy is usually a big mistake. When they hit, they hard as hell and pen is excellent.
At least none of them are as bad as Colorado. I'm fairly certain I got more hits on average with Gneisenau than with Colorado, despite having fewer guns.
@@satannstuff Yeah Colorado is no joke at all. It got super slow shells (not as slow as NC though) and pretty average dispersion and pen.
When it pen though it can hit hard. Sadly you allmost never get into position for that without being torped or burned to shit.
Commenting for Jingles algorithm.
Cyclones should be as rare as finding yourself on the "Ocean" map.
Video quality is all good here
Did not notice the black bars until you pointed them out, was still unbothered.
"Wait, Jingles is wrong! I'd best correct him...Oh wait, everyone else got there first."
Admiral, I like how you can 'go off topic', and as you know it is time to 'get back to topic' and yet, put the 'on topic' into an additional 'off topic' that is over the 3rd base line and still do something for us most others would never think about. ( How is the RN getting on without you ? ) LOLOLOLOL.
Morning Jingles
He most certainly didn't ram the Yamato at the end, I think it was the other way around
I didn’t notice the black bars until you pointed them out.
thank you
In actuality Royal Navy gunnery wasn't terrible during WW1. It was only the battlecruisers based out of the Firth of Forth that had poor accuracy, due to the large local civilian population making gunnery training difficult. This lead to two solutions 1. The battlecruiser squadrons would be rotated through deployment at Scappa Flow for gunnery practice. 2. Admiral Beatty ordered the removal of safety measures to focus on rate of fire. (The latter having disasterous results)
The Grand Fleet actually shot better than the High Seas Fleet at Jutland, Admiral Jellicoe's flagship, HMS Iron Duke is believed to have achieved a 38% accuracy rating, possibly best recorded for WW1 dreadnoughts. Admiral Scheer himself wrote that his only saving grace was the poor quality of British shells, many of which detonated too soon, or failed to detonate at all.
Well actually jingles, it was the battlecruisers that exploded violently and horribly at Jutland
May or may not have forgotten, Jingles, that the GK is also about to be replaced, by the Preussen.
Jingles? *sound of gunshot*
Actually Jingles, it was only Beatty's battlecruisers that were exploding.
The GK will be even more obsolete when its replaced with the Preußen. "early 2022"
Should we be at least thankful that, if nothing else, torpedoes are stopped by islands...
My face when the GK gets a Jingles video in WoW
9:54 jingles cat lol
Brilliant Battle!!!
well played..gg..onya jingles
The US once designed a massive floating island with 20 inch guns , good speed, and THICK armor... When do you think it will show up.?