Do you agree with the idea of communal supplies? Who should pay for it? Parents, school, etc? Do you label your kids school supplies? Is not buying communal supplies selfish? Also my phone🔋 is on 28% and it's 4:30 a.m. 😭 what's yours on?
80% at 10:02 am. I was upset when I saw the school supply list. My perspective changed once I found out teachers were coming out of pocket. If I can provide extra, I will, not all the time, but if I can donate extra pencils and erasers, I dont mind.
90% 1:59 pm. Thankfully, my kids school fundraised, had enough to cover supplies for all grades pre-K to grade 6. If I did have to get supplies, I would get whatever the teacher asked for. There’s no need to add stress to someone’s life that is only trying to help educate the future of the community.
7% at 12:27 pm. I honestly like this idea we will get closer to universal healthcare like this. I do understand the frustration of expecting to buy a couple supplies for your child and then get hit with the price of the whole class a little curious about how much it was in total. How long does it last like will the next year class have the same cost. Will there be leftovers for the next year? If there is leftover supplies will students receive a refund of supplies because you paid too much? What happens if a parent doesn’t have enough money to pay for it? What’s are the repercussions of not paying? Just curious because it would suck to be priced out? Overall I love the idea❤
11% - I’m totally against the communal thing -- if I send my child with specific tools for THEIR USE, it’s for THEIR USE. I am not responsible for any other children but my own. ENOUGH WITH THE COMMUNISM. The people who work hard to pay for their kids supplies end up getting robbed to satisfy those who don’t. And of course people will see the flaw in the system and then skip out on buying their kids anything since YOU CAN JUST USE OTHER KIDS STUFF smhhhh 🙅♂️🙅♂️🙅♂️🙅♂️🙅♂️
the government is pitting everyone and everything against each other, including teachers, children and parents, in order to completely subjugate and eliminate publicly available free education
the government is pitting everyone and everything against each other, including teachers, children and parents, in order to completely subjugate and eliminate publicly available free education
I don't get it. If it's communal then the school needs to charge a fixed amount from the parents and just buy everything in bulk and that's it. Why make the parents do the effort to go and buy the supplies for the kids just to put it in a communal bin, that's so weird to me.
That's difficult because technically if parents give money to teachers, there needs to be receipts given to parents, and paperwork submitted to and processed by the school that acknowledges a donation was made by each individual. That donation then needs to go to the school board for approval. THEN we have to request the money withdrawn to be spent on xyz (paperwork documentation). At least that's how it's been at the districts I've worked in. Every dollar needs to be documented because schools and districts do get audited. And there shouldn't just be cash going between parents and teachers.
As a retired teacher, I offer another option. At the end of the school year, I’d go through the lockers and find tons of pens, pencils, loose leaf paper, jackets, and so much more. This was especially true in middle school. Community supplies for the next school year.
Completely agree, where are these community supplies that are unused going next year? scissors don't go bad, paper and pencils get used, but surely there is some extra, they don't expire..
@zackcinq-mars2129 from what I've seen, the community supplies are lomg gone by the end of the year. Supplies in personal lockers in middle school only gets you so much, especially if all the teachers do it. One teacher doing it would get you a decent collection of paper and pencils, all of them would spread it quite thin. Most kids empty their lockers, also, so most lockers will be empty
@dawnyoung8 some schools have bigger budgets, the better the neighborhood the better the funding. Also, they do restocks of their supplies throughout the year so it makes sense there'd be some extra.
THE BIGGER PICTURE IS THAT WE PAY TAXES SO WHERE IS THE MOENY GOING!? WHY DON’T THE BABIES HAVE SUPPLIES AT SCHOOL! WHY IS THERE NOT A PROPER BUDGET FOR MATERIALS? WHY DO SCHOOLS HAVE IPADS, COMPUTERS AND LAPTOPS BEFORE PENCILS AND PAPER! Like this is so crazy to me, the school district should be providing these supplies to each school within it. A budget needs to be created before state and federal funds are allocated cause this is just crazy.
If I recall correctly public schools are funded not by direct tax (as in taking all tax payments and evenly distributing them across all public schools) but instead by the amount of tax dollars paid by the people in the local area around that school which is a subtle means of segregation and stratification that ensures that people who live in poor neighborhoods will have access to worse education in poorly funded schools than people who live in wealthy neighborhoods and the restrictions on having to live in the same area as the school is located is ensuring that low income families whose children are able to gain access to good schools perhaps by testing (selective enrollment) can still be disqualified. There is a lot of income based discrimination that goes on and this is one way in which schools are underfunded because directly using tax dollars to evenly distribute resources to all schools because this would enable "the wrong people" to benefit. Attendance and other factors are also used to allocate funds but this tax discrepancy is a major factor. Lots of corruption and systemic classism going on with schools.
@@mensesmimi I’m aware of this that’s why I said each school district should be responsible for budgeting materials! Wether you are high or low income you still pay taxes to the state and federal government so you should be seeing a return on your investment. I know we pay enough in taxes to have pencils and glue sticks, at the very least!
I mean, if parents don't buy classroom supplies, it often falls to the teacher to. If these parents are so mad about the communal roseart bucket, then they need to get together, and organize to get a school supply millage on the ballot and campaign for it. I don't have kids. I'd vote yes on it. I'm also buying school supplies for a local elementary because of these stingy parents so maybe they should just shut up.
No they’re given budgets of spending money that they can buy all kinds of supplies with. They still make us contribute these lists of supplies though lol. Oh and they’re allowed to list wishlists. My mom buys that stuff every damn year too. And sends extra supplies to the schools for kids in need to grab from.
I think the reason parents get upset about school supplies and sharing is because the lists are very specific with brands and sizes, etc. You run all over finding these things and stressing out and then find out it's getting dumped in a bin and just to get lost, dried out and so on. I would also just prefer to write a check and have the teacher order what they want for the classroom.
@@Quacks4toy I’m aware of that and I’m telling you that they weren’t offering a solution to everyone. They were only offering a solution to the og commenter.
I worked at a large school district and the one thing I learned is that when the budget year is up and the administrators did not spend their budge, they would be in the race to buy needless things because they didn't want their budget reduced the next year. This is tax payer money that can be used for the classroom supplies.
Do you know that it wasn’t used for basic school supplies? If so, what was the reason why it wasn’t? What did they purchase, during the main part of the year and then what were the things that were needless, that they scrambled to purchase prior to it ending? Very curious…whole picture kind of thing, you know?
You are right I had once a phone call from the accounting department of the district and told me to tell my principal that he has lost already 90k cause he’s not spending it at the end of the year so the district assumes that they don’t need it and told me to tell him to spend it when I do he told me the office manager is hogging it and won’t allow it etc the problem that schools are having with the mismanagement of funds is the politics. We have a new principal now he wants me to have the school bill cut in half cause our district charges our site for missing books even if the student is at fault for not bringing the book back. But anyways if the principal rather spend the site funds to pay for sport equipment parties etc then ya your school won’t have enough resources for school supplies. And elementary schools and JR highs are given far less than high schools
I worked in THE largest school system in the USA, and we never sent home a supply list-- we knew the pressure on parents was too much. We supplied everything. Everything. We would be conservative with our spending during the year and then, one year, we spent 30k on books. Use it or lose it was the May Motto.
We never had communal school supplies while we were growing up in the 80s and 90s. It was our responsibility as students to learn how to keep track of our own supplies
@@emmittnervend2918 yeah I grew up in Texas in the 90s and we also had communal supplies. We would have like our own special binder which could be special, but like paper and glue sticks and number 2 pencils and stuff? Those were generic and kept in the back to be picked out as you needed them and you ran out.
Depends on the age of the child. At the end of the day you can’t refuse a child a piece* of paper or a pencil because they lost it or ran out. Imagine just having 2 or 3 kids sitting in a corner for the day because they lost their pencil or pencil case because everyone needs to have their own stuff. Imagine how upset some parents would be and how disruptive that student would be. Meanwhile with communal pencils there is no excuses to not be doing their work
It’s part of learning to KEEP your school supplies organized and in your personal bag. How did we survive like that 20 years ago and now we have all these problems when stuff is produced 100x faster and cheaper! It’s weird
I remember we would use our own personal pencils year after year after year. Sure some of them got used up, but not as many as some of the other kids. Same set of scissors year after year, same binders with all the paper taken out. It just makes sense to take care of your supplies and reuse it the next year.
No for real, I remember growing up and hearing the total for school supplies ONLY being like $100 for everything they demanded we had(and didn’t use half of it) and now I can walk through THREE aisles of mass produced supplies and get everything PLUS SOME my child needs for less than $50. Make it make sense?
Everyone should be asking why their taxes aren’t paying for communal school supplies. They’re not paying these teachers fair salaries, kids more often than not have shitty old books etc… yet taxes go up and up! I know in my district the superintendent is a multi millionaire. Start asking questions, people.
It's wild you think that in a system that won't pay teachers a wage commiserate to their skill and experience would also then try to be responsible for school supplies. You want the school to provide for it? Fantastic. So do I. So vote yes the next time that school levy comes up at the ballot box.
@@hikerhundNo,I don't want to see administration,simple office help, making more than teachers, which many do. I don't want to see the Superintendent of the school system who's paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year expecting to also get a car and with gas card and bonuses for just wanting more tax money every year. I don't want to hear about the obviously totally ignorant grant system that won't give money for what is actually needed but will for required items that really don't have anything to do with actual education like those stupid pads. I don't want to see huge fancy buildings with state of the art theaters or football stadiums and manicured landscape to hear that more money is needed to hire janitorial and grounds keeping. Some of the greatest minds our country has ever produced were in 1 room schools. All the fancy crap is nice, but an educational system that wasn't failing kids by graduating those that still don't even have basic math, science, or English skills but are pushed towards college for useless degrees and no skills. When I actually start seeing better results for my tax money I already pay I'd agree to more, but until then they might not need the "perks" that have nothing to do with actual education.
this is weird, when i was a student some supplies were personal (crayons, pencils) and some were for the whole class (tissues, hand sanitizer) and if someone didn’t have something we just shared. it wasn’t a big deal.
THIS!! I was really sitting here wracking my brain like did I miss something?? My mom would write my name on my stuff too like folders backpack pencil case etc but then yes you did buy tissues or whatever for the class. I remember them lists being loooong too. And if someone needed a pencil or an eraser or whatever you just gave them one it wasn’t a whole thing…what is happening?? But then again I went to private schools so 🤷🏾♀️
Just more proof society is completely broken, killed the nuclear family and destroyed community and coming together. Everyone is divided. I actually believe these are the end times. Roman Empire 2.0
No. Kids need to learn the responsibility of managing their own things. I’m all for sending in things that ARE communal (boxes of tissues are a common one that my kids’ teachers request) but my kids have their own school supplies, they are not communal,but they do often share them with their friends or table groups as needed- so long as they are respected and returned afterwards. These are important things for kids to learn.
The schools should provide these for the teachers, but if it helps a child whose parents may not be able to afford school supplies then I’m not going to throw a fit over a $1 box of crayons.
My thoughts exactly. While tax dollars should be covering this, they aren’t, so let’s try and look out for all the littles. I think I spent around $60 on supplies for 6th grade and threw in a few extra supplies because I know some parent is paying a bill late or using Afterpay to finance back to school expenses. I think communal supplies also provide a means of not embarrassing kids whose parents don’t send them with supplies for whatever reason. Some kids are sleeping in cars. Ot seems so petty to be concerned about other kids using the supplies you purchased in the big scheme of things. I think of how schools used to single kids out who qualified for free lunch (some probably still do) and how terrible it is to make a child feel self-conscious for something that’s out of their control.
@@amandamarklandyoga, I agree with you. And children shouldn't have anything else on their minds that will get in the way of their education. Our children are our future.
I don’t agree with all things being communal supplies. What I give my kid I want to stay with her. It ticked me off when they started that. With that said let me know you need additional supplies. I’m willing to pitch in help and toss some extra supplies in the mix. However, if I buy my kid a Disney pen and notebook she’s excited about I want her to keep them. That’s half the fun in shopping.
Exactly. Yellow pencils? Come on. There's maybe 2-3 kinds and they're all going to get mixed around anyway. Kleenex? Who thought you were bringing that just for the one kid? Notebooks, journals, scissors, glue, crayons, color pencils? Now you're starting to get a bit too personal in taking those up. Teachers who want communal supplies should get them from the school or buy their own.
Our teachers had a “Wish List” posted in their classroom of things they needed. I loved that. I had no problem getting those items or getting them a gift card to Walmart for them to purchase what they needed throughout the school year.
I got made fun of for not being able to afford all the extra school supplies they were asking for. So my mom started to write my name on all my supplies. And told me it's mine she doesn't care what the teacher says. My mom is a gen x parent, and she said that is how she went to school, so that is how she was raising me
Former Teacher chiming in! There are certain supplies that I consider communal and certain things I don’t. If things are labeled for certain students, then I let them get there supplies as needed. Truth is, by October most of them have used everything their parent has bought. So, for the rest of the year, they are using my teachers stash. Paper towels, hand sanitizer, soaps, Lysol wipes all of these supplies are communal. However, I have never worked at a school where 100% of my students bring 100% of what’s on the list. Maybe 25%. Even those who do bring school supplies expect it to last all year. It doesn’t.
This is how it’s always worked for me as well. I think folders, notebooks, binders, pencil cases absolutely shouldn’t be communal, and I wish that scissors hadn’t been, but grabbing a pencil, glue stick, dry erase marker or eraser was always convenient. Things like that aren’t personalized, and other than pencils are easy to share. I never had an issue getting something that worked because everyone passed around the nicer ones.
I always wondered if people were buying the whole list. I forgot one thing last year and sent it in immediately the next day. 😆 I low key feel like the school supply list is a personal assignment. Must be completed in full.
@@amandamarklandyoga Most parents have multiple kids, so I’ve never expected parents to buy the whole list. It’s merely an estimation of things we anticipate students needing for the school year. The most essential supplies (pencils, erasers, paper, markers) are the first to go.
I have a vivid memory from kindergarten that still pisses me off to this day. We were encouraged to bring our own toys from home so we could play together and I brought my beautiful, stunning, brand new Sailor Moon wand. It lit up, made sounds, it was gorgeous. At the end of the day one of the nuns (I grew up in Italy and I'm 31, it was common at the time to send your kids to bible study-like daycares 😳) took it from me and put it into the common toy box. Amongst the ripped teddy bears and the mud incrusted naked Barbie dolls. And I said "but that's mine!" She ignored me. Then one kid looked at me straight and said "it belongs in the box now." I was so upset!! And my mom, bless her heart, was too afraid of confrontation to go get it back for me. I've never seen my shiny beautiful Sailor Moon wand again 🥲 That being said, I think it's okay to label things that are a bit more costly or personal to the child's taste. In case, like that mother said, the child wants their stuff back! It's good to teach them to share but also to not be a doormat!
I'm so sorry that happened to you. My family taught me to keep certain nice stuff like toys and electronics at home for the reason you said in the story, to protect personal belongings.
Also, sharing is not the same as giving your own stuff away. And as a Catholic school kid through college the most abuse I suffered was at the hands of nuns, brothers, etc. Their explanations/behaviors were illogical, contradictory and manipulative with a few smacks thrown in for good measure as they were lecturing about kindness, sharing, being “good”. They were awful and sad people.
I had Lisa Frank and other girly colorful ones. I never had the “yellow ones” if she took my colorful pencil and I got stuck with a damn yellow one THERE’D BE WAR 😂
I don't get it. My mom always brought the packet of #2 pencils to give to the class but I still had my own personal pencils that I kept in my little pencil case. Do teachers just take up any and every pencil?? Cause why are people mad about their kids supplies being taken away when it's usually the newly bought basic stuff handed to them that they take
You act like those same taxes don't already pay staff salaries, building and building maintenance, security, textbooks, computers, utilities, busses, insurance, material for lessons, furniture, food, transportation for events, etc... it is not an unlimited resource. Enrollment is down due to lower birth rates. So are you willing to pay more taxes, or do you want services cut?
@mw6346 My school half the desks were broken most of the text books were at least 6 years old, they tried to make the choir kids pay 50!! For a free class But the football team and cheerleaders always had brand new uniforms every year. My art class was using broken pencils and paints. No schools do not allocate resources equally across the board
@@dogguy8603 The U.S. has more special education kids and offer them more services than almost any other country. We also have to have english as a second language staff available in all school to help integrate kid who have illegally entered the country. Kids whos family haven't paid a dime for their education. None of this is black and white. But again, parents having to buy $30 of supplies really isn't the issue here.
As a French person I’m baffled, what do Americans pay taxes for if ya’ll have to pay for communal things?? And the fact that the government doesn’t give you money for the school supplies is crazy to me
The government is giving themselves millions of dollars in pay and spending the rest of it on the military so we literally don't have any money for anything else. Our schools are barely scrapping by, it's hell here and everyone thinks that the trans community is a more important issue than the future of their own children.
As a Finn the one thing that really boggles me is that the schools don't even pay for wipes and tissues and stuff like that???? Parents have to buy their kid their own soap?!?
Right? Reminds me of those one-room schools in villages in the 1800s when the students brought the teacher's dinner as payment. Seems not much has changed across the pond...
growing up in the early 2000s i remember teachers sending a list of things needed for the classroom and my mom never had an issue because we were allowed to keep our own personal stuff. as long as my kid can keep his own stuff i’ll provide the classroom with whatever is needed!
I've worked in a few kindergarten classrooms and I'm personally not for the communal school supplies. I've personally seen several parents who intentionally don't provide supplies for their kids and tell them to use the stuff in the shared supplies. It's not fair to the few parents who go above and beyond with donations to that pile. Providing school supplies for your child is your personal responsibility and it's just greedy and lazy to depend on others to provide for your child
Honestly I would prefer a millage or something. I'm a landowner with no kids. I'd be down with my tax money making sure schools have stuff like tissues. It would be spread over more people so overall it would cost less. There's a big issue currently where our district mismanaged funds so I'm really mad at our entire school board so we need to deal with that first though.
Exactly that's the problem I have! Sadly out of a class of let's say 20 kids there's only about 8 parents doing the heavy lifting buying what's asked of them.while the other parents don't bring anything.and when it's time for my child to grab a communal item there's nothing left even though I bought these items for my child to use
This!! Why am I being told that I’m not teaching my child to share when they have done so many times in different ways, but it’s not being said that some of these kids are being taught to take advantage of the system and they are learning ENTITLEMENT!
@@YellowTXRose1 just buy the box of kleenex dude. When your kid comes in with no supplies to give to the teacher, the other kids will pick up on that. I saw it before where the kids who didn't have stuff got made fun of by the bullies. You're setting your kids up to be made fun of for being poor their entire elementary school life. I gotta tell you, as someone who was bullied, that sticks with you, don't make it easy for the bullies.
The option to share should be a choice, not a requirement. I grew up poor but back to school shopping was my favorite time of the year. My mother always made sure I got what I needed and what I loved. When they tried to make me share my items I tried at first, but people broke my things. So I stopped sharing and sometimes got in trouble for it until my mom stepped in. I take very good care of my belongings because I know the value of money. And roseart crayons suck, idc what anyone else says. I would have no problem as a parent donating additional supplies but I would definitely have separate things for my kids too that shouldn’t be touched.
This is exactly how I feel! My mom always bought things for the community bin but we also had our own things and she would buy our things from art supply stores because I was talented at art and took it seriously from a young age. Roseart does suck 😂
Exactly! If your sweet mother sacrificed in other areas to make sure you got what you needed, it would be heartbreaking to see another child abuse what is essentially your mother’s sacrifice. You took care of your things in appreciation of what your mother did for you. And forced sharing is actually taking away the spirit of kindness from the gesture.
@@boldenmywords then I have to use crappy quality stuff in class to do my work? No way. I actually liked doing my work and got pissed if my utensils sucked. That’s why I got my mom to buy me the good stuff. And I did my homework without being told. Some kids are just good scholars. I was a straight A kid too. I just went down the back to school aisle last week and got the good jittery feeling in my stomach looking at pencils and crayons and I’m an adult. I LOVE school supplies, I think it was my first shopping addiction 🤣
Why not be honest and ask parents, who want to help, to donate to the community supplies and simply just allow for kids who want to keep their own stuff to themselves? You can't force people to help. When I was a kid I had school supplies that I wanted for myself because I hate germs.
I agree. If there are kids in my kids' class that the teacher notices doesn't have supplies. Speak up! Quiet mouths don't get fed. Engage the community, and don't force the community. Life is hard for everyone, but we can all do our part, but to be out here robbing Peter to pay Paul, don't teach people or them kids anything. Also, that's what the school board is for and taxes are supposed to pay for. Clearly, this is a state and federal government issue that the people (us) need to rectify by holding them accountable.
When I grew up, we had our supplies in our own desk. We had pencil cases in our desk. We had our own box of crayons. We were poor so our boxes were small. Other kids had the big box of crayons. I learned that this is life and it’s not fair. I’m ok with that. Even my kids had their own supplies. Yes, they asked for communal tissues but they had their own supplies in their desk.
As a child, we were responsible for our own school supplies. We had a pencil box. It had pencils it had pens that had a pack of crayons. It had some color pencils. It had some glue it had some scissors. It had a small ruler that was all our responsibility as a student you got in trouble if you weren’t sitting in your chair with your pencil and your eraser and where was your notebook that’s how we all got personal responsibility trained into us, you didn’t want to be called out in front of the class for not having your pencil, we also had a mini pencil sharpener in that box too.
I’m a retired HS math teacher and to prove a point I kept all my receipts for the pencils I bought in one semester(1/2 year). I bought Ticonderoga from Costco. I bought regular # 2 and golf pencils for compasses. I spent just over $250, took daily pictures of pencils on floor, stabbed into books, cork bulletin boards, chewed up, purposely broken, etc So at my observation during the next semester I had a mathematical show and tell and stated I would challenge the ding I received for not making sure my students had appropriate tools for class. Documented my response to the observation and voiced my concern that even though I was a senior teacher I could no longer afford to pick up the school district’s tab since I was paying for my own 3 children’s school supplies, living supplies, existing supplies, saving for their college, my retirement, my mortgage, my transportation costs. It was only fair that the school district did the same for the children they are responsible for educating. End of rant. BTW: my observation was changed in a positive direction. I did keep original and my documentation just in case the particular admin tried that nonsense again.
Do you know better how much money is actually coming from which tax payers, to which schools, districts, what they’re utilizing that money for, why, if it’s subsidized, if so, where, who was voted in that affects these things etc? Cuz I think there’s info missing in the big discussion amongst ppl. Ppl not understanding just how many freaking teachers are paying for supplies…one teacher friend of mine, in a charter school, works 5 jobs in the summer and does some type of gofundme kind of thing because, other than the seats, desks & whatever is permanently affixed to their rooms, she buys it. The list they send to parents…NOTHING compared to what comes out of her pocket. You think her room looks cute with all the inviting, curious decor? Her pocket. The books they get to read or are read to, her pocket. When the supplies are long gone, her pocket. Treats, games, protect materials…other than the freaking curriculum they give, the text books…it’s her. And that’s not right. And then they go and tweak her pay when she does summer school, in order for MORE TAXES TO COME OUT. 🤦🏽♀️ Anyway…just wish we all knew better what was what and why.
@@ec9833 in terms of funding schools it depends on how each state sets up. In NY each May, i think it is, each school district votes on the school budget. If the budget doesn’t pass the district is on an austerity budget that has minimal funding. The school districts are funded through property taxes. The only exceptions are the big cities, NYC, Yonkers, for sure and maybe White Plains, Albany, Buffalo, Syracuse and Rochester. Those budgets are set by their administration,
@@kmmb8266 interesting. Thank you for sharing. -Most districts seem to be funded by property tax across the states. As many as I’ve lived in, anyway. And what a poor point of construction, right there. That again, a public institution, legally mandating parents to send their children to, more waking hours than parents even see them…its quality is first, significantly affected by socioeconomic conditions, which are affected, themselves, by other deep seated, unequal parts of the entire system. SMH. We’ve known this for so long…but I don’t think we really let it sink in to the depths in which it truly affects. Certainly not when the hot take of all of August are communal vs individual glue sticks.
I hate when they take the supplies I bought for my kid, and find he gets garbage supplies when he comes home with his stuff. We're already getting free schooling from taxpayer dollars. Stop stealing what I worked for to provide my kid. You want extras - I honestly don't mind buying extras to help. DON'T STEAL FROM MY KID! I'm sick and tired and of people acting like my kid doesn't matter.
@@kaigaga They were complaining about what they bought for THIER KIDS not the COMMUNAL SCHOOL SUPPLIES. Those two are completely seperate in my experience.
Again, the bigger issue that parents should be worried about is academic and behavior. Teach your children how to act before they get to school and be invested in their academics. If you have special supplies just put the name on it, put it in their desk and move on.
As a former teacher, we utilized the classroom communal bins for pencils, scissors, crayons, and markers, because some kids who don't have the "nicer" things may steal or be made fun of (bullied). It then comes back on the teachers when we receive a raging email from a parent. It helps ALL students when there is a communal bin for supplies. Also, don't take things out on the teachers. It's not our fault. We are doing the best we can with the school climate and culture. Also, we as teachers put our own funds from our bank accounts to supply materials for our students. In my experience, we are paying more for the classroom and our students. If parents and teachers can come together, it'll be a better situation.
@@Aug520this has to be a bot comment because nothing I said disagreed with the teacher perspective and I even talked about how the priority should be on more important things 😂
@@KAye633i think she was talking more in a general sense or to add onto what you were saying. not all replies to comments are directly a response against said comment.
I think each student should have their own school supplies. It teaches personal responsibility and appreciation. When there’s a bin or stack of anything it is seen as less valuable. Instead of a case of 5 perfect pencils there’s now a bin of 500 half broken ones.
I agree, plus I dont know why more focus isnt on the parents who literally can't afford it. Every time its brought up in this video the person says 'you say you cant afford it but you got your nails done/went on vaca etc'. There are definitely people in my area who can't afford it and dont do those things, but are too proud to ask for help. When I was in school, we all had our individual supplies and there were cheap communal supplies that were optional to donate for kids who forgot theirs/needed more which were brought in during the teacher meet and greet IF YOU COULD. Now if you can't afford to donate you're viewed as selfish.
@@brookeandrustyah yes. Means tests the poors as we do. Make sure only the poorest get help. Watch every purchase they make so we can be sure their kids is deemed poor enough. Acknowledging parents sucking sure helps little Susie when she has no supplies.
@@lallana2882 I mean, if someone has to ask for help that could just be the means test in itself. People are prideful, the ones who really need the help will ask. We are taking that out of the equation. Someone who might be able to afford the supplies, but would rather spend the money on themselves, now doesn't even have to ask for help for their kids to get supplies on another parent's dime. I get times are hard, that is why people donate supplies to schools and churches. If you need cheap or free supplies that is where you can get it.
so if one student forgets their supplies at home? then what? did you ever teach? half of my students forget their supplies? and the ones who are supposed to teach personal responsibility and apprecistoin ARE NOT THE TEACHERS !!! THE PARENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT!!!!!
Right? How are you gonna teach these kids anything if you have to micromanage them. When i was a kid we had DESKS where we put our supplies in. If you ran out you got use one of the 5 junk pencils the teacher had then you went home and got some more
This brings back a memory of 2nd grade where my mom (who was a single mom and low income) bought me some off brand markers and I cherised them sooo much because it was all we could afford. I was at school and I was letting my friend borrow them. A boy sitting by me wanted to use them too but I said no because he was a marker smasher and liked destroying things. He told my teacher and my teacher said that if I wasn't going to share with the whole class, I shouldn't share at all. It's good to teach kids community and to share but I think it should be optional for teachers and parents but should ultimately be funded by the school. GET MAD AT THE GOVERMENT, NOT AT EACH OTHER!!
Some of these parents really got selective memory. I started kindergarten in the 90s the teacher had lists for individual supplies and some for all of the classroom.
Same. Ain’t none of this new lol. I started school in 1992. And my oldest kid is 15. I remember my school supply lists being longer than the ones my kids have had.
Ok but it’s different now. Before things were like a registry like tissues, snacks, napkins. Now everything is so particular specific colors for each class also kids are wastefull. I remember my mom questioning why I was always needing pencils when school just started 😂 also my mom did buy name brand stuff so I respected my stuff more because I knew it wasn’t cheap.
Canadian who's moved to America stepping in here- We bought our school supplies for ourselves- not the teachers or schools. With what we pay in property taxes in Houston Texas, I think it's laughable that the schools have the nerve to ask for supplies. At 2.8% for property tax and 54% going towards schools- There is no excuse that the schools can't afford this. Back in Canada my property tax is 0.6% and 30% goes towards schools. The government of Alberta pays $8,400 per student, the government of Texas pays $10,387 per student. What's going on, America? Why does it cost so much more for tax payers and still, parents are expected to keep paying more and more. The math isn't mathing.
You hit the nail on the head! Why aren't our tax payer dollars covering communal supplies or even personal supplies. In fact each kid should recive money to cover back to school shopping from the school. You are right! The match ain't mathin! And dont get me started on parents having to pay property taxes to send other people kids to school when they homeschool their kids. Parents who homeschool or people who don't have kids should not have to fund the schools! A whole other conversation for a whole other day!
@@brookejackson4685 yeah in Canada you still have to pay towards public schools, but if you home school you get nice tax breaks and a deduction on property taxes!
With all due respect, you aren’t presenting the entire equation. Which leads to your question, right? The math isn’t mathing, atm, because there are holes where the other numbers need to be. You don’t even need to bring Canada into this. Toooooo many variables. What’s going on in Houston. Or your district. You’ve got ppl paying a variety of amounts cuz, percentages. So how much is being pulled from what area, which areas go to which districts, is it supplemented at all, in your area, in another, to another, to yours? And then where is every single penny going? Like…a bonafide list that accounts for all of it. Right? And then, do you understand what it is the money is going toward? Do you understand the reason for the choices? Do you agree? Disagree? Who can you influence with your opinion? Who is it that y’all are voting for that’s making these decisions?
@@ec9833 you're trying to sound educated and critical but it's fairly easy to understand. With what Canadians pay into schooling vs Americans and what one gets back, is majorly different. This shows there's a mismanagement of funds. This is an American issue as a whole. The entire taxing structure is broken in America. Supposedly living in one of the cheapest states (Texas) and seeing how gouged people are - reminds me daily that America's government/schools/medical is dysfunctional. Though, I don't blame you for not being able to understand. Basic percentages seems to be hard for you to grasp onto.
@@picklethepepperI disagree. Texas isn’t cheap. Especially Houston. At least not imo as someone who lives in the Midwest. Someone who does not live in any big well known city like that. I looked into that place just for fun, thinking of making a trip, possibly moving if the option ever presented down the road, and realized quickly it’s too expensive for me. I know some people from there as well. They are more well to do. If you dont mind me asking, what makes you call Houston cheap? My comparison is my own state NE and knowing family who frequently tell me how much cheaper Arkansas is. I’ve also seen Arkansas rank highly on cheaper states to live. I do live in a city coming up closer with ever year to 1 mil inhabitants, but calling it such might not seem like it to others living in say California, New York, or even some cities in Texas like the one mentioned. My state is still mainly seen as cornfield country. I mean, it is, but not every place here is cornfield country.
I thought putting your name on all your own supplies was normal. As a kid with ADHD being raised by a parent with ADHD, putting my name on literally every single crayon was the only way I could keep track of my stuff, and even then, it's not fool-proof. It also gave my mom another opportunity to give me words of confidence (next to my name, sometimes she would add things like, "You're a star!" Very memorable ❤) That being said, my mom also sent me to school with bags of school supplies for my teachers. I hope parents and teachers are able to come together in understanding. We are stronger together ❤❤❤
I get it we were talking about this at work. I don’t have children but the best part of school for me growing up was picking out my fun pretty school supplies. School itself wasn’t enjoyable so that brought the joy in it for me. As a child I would have been angry if the things my mom let me pick out ended up in a box for other kids to take from me. A lot of parents I talk to don’t like the communal school supplies situation.
They aren’t buying the iPhone. They are going in debt for an iPhone they can’t afford. When I was growing up, I knew for a fact some families were on food stamps, yet they had the brand new iPhones every year. Blew my mind.
@@Katie-ry4lj man I remember that growing up in America. I always wondered why I had to wear Payless shoes and they had the most paid shoes. My immigrant parents didn't believe in buying expensive clothing but more on school supplies.
Who the hell are you to decide how that parent spends THIER money IF they provide for their children? Y'all who accuse the parents who RIGHTFULLY decline compulsory charity. Of being "greedy" and "selfish" should engage in some independent intellectual examination of your values. -Compulsory charity in reality is theft because charity is voluntary. 😂😂😂. I am flat out refusing to pay for this expensive nonsense based on SITUS. WHAT IS SCHOOL TAX THEN IF THIS IS FREE? $24,000 per year per student for the parents to work at their $20,000/year job. 😂😂😂😂STUPID. Who's delayed in their intellectual and emotional development? The socialists commie parents and teachers. I am so glad I freed my children from the grasp of these quasi- authoritative miscreants.
The teacher doesn't want cheap supplies. They specifically ask for the expensive stuff to send in. I grew up with my own supply box of stuff, and it was never an issue to have my own stuff and just use that. I knew how to take care of my stuff and tell my mom what I needed more of from kindergarten onward. I was always told communal supplies is because not everyone buys supplies, so they put them all in a pile for everyone to use so everyone has. That's bot sharing. That's taking from the families that send stuff in to forcibly take and give to someone else. We call that theft. You steal from the parents who do to subsidize people who do not. No, I'm not okay with that. As an adult, no one can take my stuff without my permission. Yet, are stealing from kids and and calling it sharing when it's theft. The theft is done to kids because kids are little and not respected as human with possessions. That's gross. Kids own their stuff. Kids own their bodies. Kids deserve that respect as humans to have their possessions respected.
Also, the nerve of teachers to ask for the most expensive stuff when some of us can only afford off-brand stuff even after taking care of rent, bills, etc. No extras for parents.
Cheaper stuff gets destroyed faster; they're asking for the good pencils and crayons because they last longer. Ticonderoga is better than Rose Art, full stop. That being said, it's not fair if someone invested in their kid's Ticonderoga and it gets taken away and replaced with Rose Art because "fairness" in collection and redistribution.
One thing I didn’t like when I was in school was when the teachers would ask for certain things from each and every student and yet when those same students would ask for some mthing like tissues, then the teacher would say “you’re not about to be coming up to my desk and keep grabbing tissues“. I was upset because even as a child. I knew that 1) my parents contributed a box of tissues to the class and that means I’m entitled to use up at least one box of tissues if I’m not feeling well. And 2) that if each child is bringing one box of tissues that means there should be plenty for us children to go around.
20 to 30 boxes of tissue to last an entire classroom a full year? The math ain't mathing. 30 boxes ÷ 9 months = 3.33 boxes of tissues a month for 30 kids. Average box of tissues has 70 sheets. That is like 58 tissues a week if you make them last the entire year. Thay equals 1.9 tissues a week per kid.
I'm a public high school teacher in Australia. Kids bring a pencil case to school each day with their supplies. If a kid has no supplies due to forgetfulness or lack of funds, we give them some from the cupboard. Our schools have enough funding to buy pencils, tissues, glue and hand sanitiser. Even whiteboard markers for the teachers and it's no problem. The problem is that the US doesn't properly find public schools.
We absolutely don't but it's also pretty much an elementary school thing. Usually the school supplies are cleaning supplies, paper, arts and crafts and tissues. The way these parents talk, you'd think the parents were expected to buy computers when realistically it's probably a $50-75 investment if everyone pitched in.
It's not the funding, it's the allocation of those funds. In CA there are more staff than students. We do not need all of these people on the budget. The size of the admin staff is insane, and their salaries even more so. That is the problem, not a lack of money.
They provide transportation for kids, laptops or I pads, textbook, other supplies, and free lunch / breakfast. Where are the parents responsible for their kids' education? Asking parents to buy a few pencils and notebooks is not unreasonable. I have done back to school shopping, and the supplies cost maybe $40 a year for name brand items.
My dad didn't have much money when we were young, there were times he would look for change in the car or couch cushions to get enough to purchase basics. He always made sure we had our basics in school. But we didn't have expensive stuff or even "extras" like lunch boxes. He could barely supply for us, he didn't want to worry about others too - but he took pride in knowing he could provide for us
I labeled my kids' supplies and you should too. Here's why: I always helped the teachers with take-home projects. One year I took home the communal pencils every week to sharpen them. This was 2nd grade for my oldest. Do you know what kids do to pencils while they're bored in class?? They chew on them. I have a rare autoimmune disorder that means my body can't identify viruses and bacteria and start fighting them off, so I am constantly sick. After I saw that these pencils were going into the mouths of half the class and back into the hands of all of them, I knew I had to have my kids stop using communal supplies. So I labeled everything and communicated the reason to our teachers. I still continued to buy extra supplies throughout the year for the classroom. If your kids are coming home sick all the time, you might consider this. (Yes, it did help and I got sick less often after making the change)
THIS! Especially after Covid now, kids shouldn't be sharing small supplies that end up in their noses, ears, mouths during the day. They'd need less sanitizer if they didn't share any of those things too. Having their own supplies to keep track of is a key component of learning responsibility too, which too many kids, and unfortunately younger adults too, seem to not be keen on.
@@amandadatugan2900 Absolutely. This is a known issue in economics too. If a resource is shared, people will take care of it less than if it is individually owned. Taking ownership of your things and being responsible for them is a huge life lesson that is good to learn early.
Brit here, this is WILD to me. We had to buy certain supplies ourselves, generally through the school, and the school had bulk supplies of pens and pencils. If I bought my kid supplies and I found out they had their supplies taken from them, I am going to be furious. Backwards way of doing it. If they're doing communal supplies, be absolutely upfront about that and have parents pay into a pot and the school buys in bulk, way more economically efficient.
In my experience, they always were. They would tell us to buy supplies for ourselves and then supplies that the classroom can share. Every school I worked at did the same thing.
No child should be forced to give away their things, ever. It's not the responsibility of parents and kids to give their own things to other kids. If parents want to be nice, they can give their own kids extra things and tell them to give them to other kids if they don't have their own. That would be nice and make both your kid and the other kid feel good!
@@socalbarbie1040it is for a single mom who can't afford to provide for other people's children Personal property is law, and a communal school policy isn't above personal property rights
Stop telling the kid the pencil is "theirs," then they won't freak out having to give up "their" pencil. You're creating your child's problem yourself.
This is how I feel as well. I may not be able to contribute a boat load, but I do try my best to send extras and if my daughter has her own special notebook she picked out I just label it. I believe in karma, you put good out into the world and it'll come back. It might take a minute and it might not happen when you always need it, but it'll come back to you when you're down on your luck down the road. We're all in this together. Hope your son has a great year ❤
Another thing I will say is that not all kids grow up in a healthy situation. My grandparents had 8 kids. My mom told them one day to stop giving her Christmas presents, because every time she was given something one of her siblings would either take it or break it. Maybe school supplies is a way for children to have ownership of something that someone won’t take from them. Everyone is talking about this from an adult perspective, but what do the kids really think. Some I’m sure don’t care but I’m willing to bet that others do for very personal reasons.
THIS so much this. I've just spent 20 minuets ranting so I can't really say what I want rn. But yes Taya the huge issue! Ppl don't understand the participle of kids here - Especially if your poor and have very little! Of your forced to give up that 3-pack of mechanical pencils you've been waiting liquef 9 months for.. and your forces to 'share' it. It can cause damage to the psyche, forcing you to share something precious of yours when you know you'll lose it. And then you gotta hate yourself cuz you LET them talk you into it etc.. not like you had a choice. But yeah that sticks with you rapidity of your a kind and generous person to begin with. It makes you confused that your not allowed to have things but others are (This is basically what socialism/communism 2.0 is doing to us all. They've got the idea of sharing and ownership all twisted up into a Gordon knot of mental gymnastics when I'd you just take a step back and look - you realize it's all a sham to push specific ideologies upon the next generation making it easy to force them to vote and think a certain way. Even a a teen in the 90s I warned that Atheism was itself a belief system and we should worry about it cuz of the ties to communism)
So am I understanding this correctly? If you bring the communal supplies asked of you but have separate supplies for your child, those separate supplies will STILL be stolen from the child and forced to share? That's wrong, period. I have no problem with buying the communal supplies and them being shared, but kids should be allowed to also have their own individual supplies if they have them.
I don’t mind doing communal school supplies, if the school is transparent about it. Butttt, the more important question/problem here is where is the taxed money going?
I think the concern is that their children are not getting a fair share of the resources they invested in. “Communal” is never equal or equitable; someone always gets ripped off.
@@briy-gg8ocDo you think there aren't students who will take more than what they actually need? Did you ever have that kid in class who never had a pen, pencil, or a piece of paper and had to borrow one every single day?
it never is...people dont understand that they dont want to supply jimmy the kids who likes to lose and chew on his pencils.. then the teachers claims that my child cant have one becaue they are used up. If my kid breaks his stuff im replace it but im not replacing jimmy stuff.
Communal supplies don't get taken care of because there's no incentive or feeling of ownership. I always shared supplies with other kids in school and I had to have my initials/name on every single pencil, gel pen, crayon, eraser, etc because other kids didn't want to give them back or might damage them. I begged my mom for specific or nicer supplies because I enjoyed them, not because "it built community" like that one woman in the video said. I'm 33 and I honestly still have pencil boxes and some other supplies I've taken care of and still used since grade school, middle school, high school, college and would re-use surplus so eventually didn't have to buy much. Watching my niece's kindergaten school supplies get dumped into bins was astounding... there's no way they'll go through all those supplies- unless they're just getting destroyed.
Of course there’s no incentive to take care of it because it’s fucking glue sticks and pencils lol. Why should they care so deep about meaningless material items??? Wild to me. Students are there to what? Learn. Not show off expensive school supplies….
@RJ_Games0 Children who don't *learn* responsibility, accountability, and how to take care of their (and shared communal) property grow into adults who lack those skills later in life... it's not about being materialistic about products, it's about being conscientious and thoughtful about property.
@@allisonanderson5634 But that has nothing to do with responsibility. It has everything to do with what really matters at the end of the day. You can still teach them about taking care of IMPORTANT things while also teaching them to not get so attached to material possessions. I’m just saying, getting so emotional about sharing school supplies will only teach your kids how to be selfish…
As a teacher Ive tried managing supplies every way & here is why communal supplies are easier: kids lose shit. VERY quickly. even the the responsible ones. You get them 24 pencils for the year? if they are left to manage them, In my experience, all of those pencils are gone the first week. (Only God knows where they are). Caps left off every glue stick/marker, scissors ripped apart. Then they have no supplies to use by the end of September. Ive recently moved to “teacher directed” model where they have one of everything (pencil/glue/scissors) in their possession. If they have it all at the end of the week, they get a sticker. They put the rest of their supplies in a big ziploc with their name that stays locked in a cabinet. Kids are irresponsible & rash. they dont see the value of supplies. This is frustrating, but it is also important to recognize where they are with brain development.
This is a nice model and I hope it is just based on positive reinforcement with no punishment. Aside from kids being irresponsible, I had undiagnosed ADHD as a kid and continue to constantly lose and misplace things to this day as an adult who tries to be responsible because this is a symptom of ADHD that isn't cured by medication (which itself does not resolve all the symptoms of ADHD just makes it easier to manage). If positive reinforcement and a system of reminders/routine does not seem to change the pattern then it may be an indicator of another problem. I would have been relieved to have a community pool and my own designated supply kit as a kid.
In elementary school we were each given one of those plastic pencil boxes (you know the one) and we keep a glue stick, a few pencils, a few pens, our scissors, etc in it, and nothing leaves the classroom. Our teacher told us to write our names on the supplies so if someone is missing smth at the end of the day we all look for it together. If no one can find it, then our teacher dips into the classroom supplies and gives the student a "loan" piece of supply until the original is found, or the student no longer needs it. (Mostly just applies to scissors and rulers) of course this was also 3rd, 4th, and 5th grade. Younger students at the school didnt do this.
This is super smart. Teaches them to take care of their things by rewarding it! Yes kids are completely irresponsible they are NOT tiny adults. They’re still learning how to be human and developing even the concept of what responsibility and accountability are, which is exactly what this activity tries to teach.
See, that sounds like 'budgeting for kids'. They get their supplies dolled out to them at a steady rate, almost like a wage, and if they don't 'use up' or loose it all by the end of the week they get a little reward. I love that idea, because it's helpful for the kids who struggle to only have one thing to loose at a time, and it makes keeping the stuff fun instead of stressful. It doesn't sound like 'community' supplies though...you've got each kid's bag set aside so that if there's anything left at the end of the year they can take it home, and if the parents bought them special left-handed scissors or themed pencils, they get to use *those* special items, not random ones they don't care about. A sense of personal property probably makes the kids more responsible with stuff they consider 'theirs' too. This sounds like a great way to handle the situation, and it lets you easily keep track of which students are running low call individual parents to let them know they need to get more.
Out of curiosity, what's the reason there isn't a supply fund to centrally source all of this stuff? What's needed is known in advance, as is the cost, etc. Doesn't it make sense to just order everything centrally, have it delivered and distributed to all the classrooms as needed? Then it's all ready and waiting on day one. Plus, a bulk discount should help that fund go further. Or directly benefit the parents, if they're to be the source of that money.
Speaking as a parent of two, the school supplly list has increased tremendously over time. Not only do they want notebooks, pencils and crayons they want sanitizer, paper towels, erasers , copy paper and much more! It's out of control
I dont know...that sounds the same as when I was in elementary school, and I'm near thirty now. I was excited to pick out the tissue box in particular every year lol
I'm 40 this year, and even when I was in elementary we had to supply a set amount of tissues, wipes, construction and copy papers for the classroom. That's nothing new. If it was common to have sanitizer back then like it is now, we'd have had to send them in too. Paper towels/toilet paper, etc should be provided by the schools themselves, not the parents or teachers.
My biggest issue with the community stuff was the germ factor. I dont want every kid's snotty, grubby hands in the same box making the whole classroom sick. My kids were only sick during the school year.
School supplies should be paid for with tax dollars. My mom is a teacher and she has to buy supplies for her class out of pocket and it’s NOT tax deductible! If they can send all our tax money to other countries the least they could do is cover school supply expenses🙄 I but my kids school supplies and have never complained but this is what I feel inside.
This shouldn’t be an argument. It’s should be simple buy the community supplies if you can afford it and have your special theme ones in your child’s bag for their personal use. The class gets supplies and your child gets the ones they wanted.
boom🎉 people are just stingy and hateful now, they cannot BARE that another child thats not theirs may have access to their precious baby's special PENCILS
Yes! I was talking about this to my husband. I understand where the teachers are coming from, as a teacher myself these supplies should not be coming out of their paychecks when the school should definitely provide it, but I also get why parents are upset over buying the supplies and then finding out they’re all just being thrown into one bin. That never happened when I went to school. I want to buy my child the supplies she wants when the time comes and honestly I don’t want her to share them BUT I would also take her along to get multiple supplies for the classroom because we can afford that. Hell I’d buy a set of everything for her whole classroom if needed or specified on the welcome letter/email
This is soooo inefficient. Having millions of parents running to Walmart for one pack of pencils, one pack of crayons... If your country/state is too poor to pay for schools supplies and you have to uave parents to chip in, have a fixed amount that every parents needs to cough up and have the teacher buy 10 packs of pencils that THEY see fit for their classroom. They'll be getting bulk rebates as well.
Kids stop having communal school supplies once they get to an age where they can be blamed for not bringing a pencil to class. a 6 year old isn't keeping track of anything
Doesn't it just stay in their desk? That is what I remembered. I think we had communal glue sticks and stuff that didn't get used very often, but for everyday stuff it stayed with us. Also what is happening to all the supplies when the year is over? do the teachers just throw it away? You know those scissors are still good. Pencils don't go bad. Sure stuff goes bad eventually, but I survived college without buying new supplies every year.
People need to make the birth rate decline more. They can’t afford children. I ordered boxes of masks and cases of water for my son’s school. I sent communal shit 4x a year to my son’s school and they couldn’t even take the time to punish the bullies that jumped him. I keep my son home when he’s sick and then get threatened when it’s longer than 3 days but if I send him with the sniffles, it’s a problem.
@@bgos4727You say that until you’re an old and/or disabled person without proper nurses or aides to help you due to the lack of personnel. Not to mention other industries vital to keep society going. Society needs new generations to keep life going. Don’t believe me, look at Japan, South Korea and China right now. They are starting to see what life is like when their death rates are higher than their birth rates
I was in elementary school/middle school around 2008-2012ish (can’t remember exactly) and my teachers never took our stuff our parents bought for us personally and put it in a communal bin. Each student got a list of school supplies for their personal use, and our parents bought the stuff on that list for our PERSONAL use. Not for communal use at all, and it was not required for us to give it to the teacher or share.
If I was a first time parent buying school supplies, I would be mad if my items personalized Frozen/Pokemon/etc pencils were in the community bin. I looked it up: The cheapest pencil is $0.97, but the Disney ones are $7.99. That is a BIG difference. They should be letting parents know what the child is going to be keeping for themselves and what is going to a community bin. My cousin is a teacher, and if my kid was in her classroom, I would NOT be donating to a community bin. These kids don’t care. She had a bunch of community pencils on her desk and some girl took them ALL. When my cousin wasn’t looking, the girl snatched the pencils that were rubber band together so for the rest of the week no kids had pencils unless they had their own. The girl got caught a week later as she was packing up to go, my cousin saw the roll of rubber band pencils in the girls backpack. All she got was a “sorry. Haha.” She talks about how destructive the kids are now. These kids come to school with nothing. No pencil or paper. So she has/had community items, but the kids weren't returning the pencils or they are coming back broken. So she started taking a personal item in exchange. You want a pencil? Im going to need that left shoe.
Your child's personalized items would be theirs to remain in their bookbag or desk. The items on the supply list are usually brand specific, and that is what would be communal. You would buy the $0.79 pencil for the communal box and the $7.99 pencils for your kid's bookbag.
@@TomikaKellyyou clearly didn’t listen to the parents or video. There are no personalized items that they keep. They scratch off/tear off names and dump it in a bin. They don’t get to keep their supplies. Reading and listening comprehension is at an all time low, my god!
Its not even the communal. The supplies they want have gotten so specific it is size, brand, colors. Material, and model. For example Crayola only supplies not just that but specifically the ultra washable crayola markers, 3 pack large Elmers glue stick disappearing purple, you want to share fine. But you need to stop being choosy about brands and exact models.
I'm not ok with the school (not the teacher) not providing anything. What are they spending the per child budget on? The problem with communal supplies is they don't all get used and end up in a closet somewhere.
This is also a major issue. When I was new I'd go around to all the classrooms where teachers just retired and grab supplies. Veteran teachers ALWAYS have supplies. I've inherited 4 giant bins of scissors and yet there are teachers asking kids to go buy scissors. DON'T BUY SCISSORS. THEY EXIST IN THE SCHOOL BUILDING.
It’s not the school. It’s a state issue. School’s funding is entirely dependent on the property tax rate of its zoned district. So wealthy students automatically get a better experience if they attend public schools and poor students get the opposite. And much of the funding for poorer Title I schools go to repairs, salaries, and other basics before ever even dipping a toe into things that directly affect students. The state has to go in to fix that issue, it’s not on the individual schools.
I don't even have kids, and I think taking supplies away from one kid to give it to another is insane. You bought those supplies with your own money, and your kid can't use it? BS. Schools should be supplying this crap, not the teachers, not the parents, THE SCHOOL. Imagine if they took kids toys, or their jackets, because little Billy's mom didn't buy him any. Absolutely not.
Exactly. Communal and personal supplies should be SEPERATE. In my experience I would have my own supplies, plus my parents would bring communal supplies for the teachers. It is unfair to have somthing you bought just enough of for your child, to be taken. (We aren't wealthy and we were in debt.)
My daughter's last school asked for $20/child and they bought the supplies themselves. It was less stressful than looking for supplies. All I had to do was find the backpack & water bottle she wanted. 🤷🏾♀️
This sounds amazing but, there would be parents that still couldn't manage that fee, particularly parents of multiples and especially parents who rely on school drives. Also, collecting money in some school districts is a very cumbersome process.
I don’t have children BUT i see both sides. I think parents should stick to getting their children personalized items like backpacks, lunchbox, bottles. The other stuff can be basic brands and know it’s communal. I know the more expensive brands are better quality but the purpose is still the same, to write, draw, or color. I think we’re unintentionally teaching children to value the wrong things. Like the one lady suggested, keep the nicer stuff at home.
As a teacher I personally do a mix between individual property and community suplies. Personally all the notebooks and folders are individual or their pencil cases sissor etc but stuff like crayons or glue or other like crafting suplies it is going to be communall but I will always write on my list what is going to be shared and what is individual and I am thankful if my parents label these supplies that way it is easier for me if there is stuff laying around
Teachers should not be expected to pay for school supplies, ever, and this is part of why they are quitting by the thousands. I don't understand why the schools themselves and parents are making the teachers responsible for this. There are parents who buy individual supplies and parents that don't buy their kids anything, so what are teachers supposed to do? The teachers do communal supplies to try to resolve this issue. Parents need to focus the pressure on the administration, not the teachers. Edit: I want to add that younger children will share their supplies anyway, but I do understand wanting to ensure that your own kids at least have the things they need. There are kids that don't care at all about the communal supplies and will break all the pencils and rip up the notebooks. Schools should supply basic supplies while parents can buy their kids things if they want the cute and fancy stuff.
I think certain school supplies could be communal, mostly writing and coloring tools and glue. But things like folders, notebooks, pencil bags should be personal. I also think that some supplies should be labeled on the list to say which will be used for communal and which will be strictly personal. I think that would make things easier.
Sharing is one thing but some people purposely dont buy supplies and expect their kid to be take care of. It is the sense of accountability and i wont be taking care of someones kid of that parent is being irresponsible
@@socalbarbie1040A lot of people are like that, unfortunately. The argument is usually because it’s a public school, families shouldn’t have to send their child with anything. Everything is to be provided.
I would have no issue buying some extra supplies for the purpose of putting in communal bins if I was asked by the teacher in advance, but I absolutely would not tolerate having the personalised/pricier items I buy for my kids personal use taken from them. I think people have created a false dichotomy in this situation of either A) “everyone should share everything and if you don’t you’re greedy and selfish” or B) “I don’t want to provide for anyone’s kid except mine” when actually it’s absolutely possible to both want to contribute to the communal supplies AND want their kids to be able to have their own items separate from the communal bins that they don’t need to share if they don’t want to. Obviously teaching to share is always a good lesson to learn, but I think that can be taught in other situations, like shopping with them to get those extra supplies for their classmates after they had picked out their own items for their own use and getting them excited to give these extra supplies like they’re giving gifts to the other kids. That being said I think there is definitely a point there about the burden being shifted onto the teachers and parents to get the supplies rather than the higher ups in the school.
True-plus, at least from my experience, not everything on the list is communal. Pencils, dry erase markers, glue sticks are, but folders, notebooks, and binders never are. The things that are actually personal and aesthetic, my kids got to keep.
@@lynne7460 oh yeah I agree that it definitely can depend on what the item in question is, though I wouldn’t say that the items you listed are always interchangeable. Just from personal experience in my childhood I remember these coloured glue sticks, pink or green were the most common (they didn’t actually transfer the colour onto the paper when used but they looked very cool in comparison to the bog standard white versions and you know how kids can get about that kind of thing). I was super excited when my mum agreed to get a pink one for me. If I had been forced to put it in a communal bin then I would have been crushed, not to mention that I would never have the chance to use it since all the other kids would likely pick it since it looks cool, so it’d be whoever got there first who got to use it etc. Idk I don’t think communal bins are a super common concept in the UK, it wasn’t a thing in my school at least, any surplus supplies were provided by the school (though it may be a thing in other schools, especially those in less affluent areas) so I’m not really familiar with how it works in practice. Tbh tho it sounds from the various clips of teachers here that it works differently depending on the teacher, so it’s hard to make broad judgements.
The more personalized ones aren't the ones meant for sharing. The issue is parents don't want to buy anything EXTRA for the communal supplies. These parents don't want to spend the extra 70¢ for a pack of basic pencils after buying the $4 pony printed pencils. Not everything is automatically shared
@@Sebastian-Draegon Ah I see, I think some teachers definitely do take some personalised supplies though because there’s that one clip in this video (at 2:12 I think) where a teacher is going “hey parents look at where the supplies with your child’s name goes” and then she pulls out the communal bin and goes on to say that if the child needs a glue stick she’s not rifling around to find one with the child’s name and just gives them a random one, which (at least to me) implies that she puts all supplies in the communal bins even personalised ones. There are some other clips talking about named items in communal bins that suggest this too. Idk like I said this system isn’t one I’m familiar with so that might not be the norm of how this system is run, but that was just my impression from how the teacher was explaining it so I made my comment based on that.
I'm with you, plus I feel like if you're forcing a kid to share their own stuff, you're not really teaching them true sharing, I'd be worried I'd make them resentful and more resistant to sharing when they actually have a choice in the future
I'm not sending my kid to public school for many reasons but this just confirms that public school isn't right for our family. I cannot imagine spending so much money on supplies for my child, getting the things he likes/wants, and having them redistributed to everyone.
Most communal supplies are brand specific. The Ticonderoga pencils you bought for your son would go in the communal box, but the special Superman pencils would be his to keep in his desk of bookbag.
@@TomikaKelly I know, but the point is I wouldn't be able to afford to get him the things he likes and contribute to the communal school supply box. It's great that they have it for the kids whose parents cannot be bothered to get their kids all the supplies they need for school.
@@-Ramelie- but why waste the money on the 4$ superman pencils, why does everything have to be super expensive and super personalized when it's going to be used up, lost, or broken? Backpacks, lunchbox, aren't the same as pencils, glue and markers.
@@AdaireKrickets I never said I was going to buy everything super expensive or personalized. Just that I wouldn't be able to get everything he would need and contribute to the communal school supplies. By the ones he wants, I do however mean the backpack and pencil case though. If you want to buy your kids the super cheap supplies from temu go ahead. I'm not getting the most expensive ones, just the good quality ones hopefully for a decent price
Mom of 4 here. I’ve known for years now that certain items are definitely shared in the classroom such as pens, erasers, crayons, colored pencils, paper, wipes, dry erase markers and hand sanitizer. Their notebooks, pencil cases and folders I for the most part are not shared. It doesn’t bother me. Half way through the school year they tell us what items they need more of and most parents will help out. I help because I I want all kids to be successful not just mine.
"I help because I want all kids to be successful not just mine." I hosted a huge back to school drive that benefitted my local community. I encouraged my family, friends, employer, etc to donate. I even had an essay contest where the winner was awarded a laptop. The crazy part is: I'm childfree. I just want my neighbor's kids to prosper.
So when I was in school, we bought a hundred percent of all our school supplies. I think it's pretty audacious to ask parents to purchase school supplies for other peoples children. Teachers shouldn't be buying their own supplies for their classrooms either, especially when schools get funding via tax dollars. Something sounds fishy.
If you use 12 pencils a year, what difference does it make if it gets put in a communal bin or gets stored in your desk? It's not "for other kids," it's still a dozen, and you USED a dozen, so what is being used by other kids? Are you counting each pencil and keeping a spreadsheet??
@@Because-rt8qs When your writing utensils get broken, chewed up, or straight up stolen, you do in fact keep track. Both of the supplies themselves and those who are not to be trusted.
The only problem I have with communal sharing is germs spreading from one kid to another if you're going to do communal sharing I suggest that you should try at least sanitizing supplies once a week cuz you never know with little kids. 🤷🏽♀️
Grandma here. My daughter and I buy school supplies for her children, then we buy extra for their classmates. There is also a wish list for the teachers. I also belong to a church organization that adopts the schools in our county and we collect and donate to every school. I am always on the lookout for sales and just buy things when I see them, that way I can help someone else.
Our child school had a flat fee for school supplies and they bought them in bulk. It was great. You didn’t have to shop for anything at all. It was a very reasonable price.
Makes sense teachers get a discount and schools can use them as a tax write off while also buying in bulk. Parents have to rely on sales and cannot tax write off it.
I grew up in the late 90s in a small town in Russia, very poor. Only my mother worked. I also had an elder sister who went to university (free, no tuition, but also required expenses). We sometimes didn't have money for bread, and somehow, I always had school supplies, my own. My parents figured it out. I don't remember having anything communal like that. I had my own pens, pencils, notebooks, book holders, etc. And I remember how excited I was at the beginning of a school year to get my new school stuff, picking my own notebooks with celebrities I liked pictured on them. Didn't have much, but I had that. I think it's important to have your own stuff, and I'm pretty sure it's possible to figure it out and get your children these things here in America.
I ended my education in Poland like two years ago and I NEVER had to share my stuff with other kids... Maybe its just European/Slavic stuff idk but its wild in America couse I don't know a person (in Poland) who would buy things for the teachers unless it was like christmas ect or buy stuff so other kids can use it... 😅😂 We are all like "buy your own stuff or your kids will have to ask someone to share their supplies with them for a lesson"
I’m Hispanic and had a really similar experience. I went to 4 different schools and any of them was expensive. However, every child had his/her own supplies. We carried our own supplies in our backpacks everyday. I used the same supplies at school and at home. It was my stuff that my parents bought for me at the beginning of the school year. I picked every single notebook and I had to take care of my belongings every day. I think it’s important to learn how to take care of your stuff.
@@kamilablack3255 that’s probably because Poland doesn’t spend almost a trillion $ (or over that by now) on their military, which would leave money for schools and their supplies….
I'm going to be honest. Kids are expensive. I do not care about your religious views or moral view. At the end of the day, kids cost A LOT of money. Having children IS a privilege, not a right. In essence, if you can not afford to raise and pay for your child, you shouldn't have one. Outside of putting pressure on society to help care for your child, you're also alienating your child in certain ways when they go to school and wee that they're picking out of a community box. I remember being in elementary school, and my mom refused to buy 13 boxes of tissues . My teacher pulled me to the side and asked if everything was okay and why I didn't bring the tissues. I said my mom didn't want to buy them because she saw that specific thing on the list as unnecessary, especially because I'm not using 13 boxes of tissues. She implied that I should "force my mom to buy them because sharing is caring." As I am now grown, my mom was right, 13 boxes of tissues are insane
“A Privilege” whew 😮💨 that’s definitely subjective 😂 waking up at 3am to the sounds of crying and smell off poop don’t seem much of a privilege to many
Teacher of 27 years here (currently 3rd grade)... I always buy supplies for students... ALL SUPPLIES. If I have the opportunity to tell parents before they buy it, I do. When students bring in supplies, I keep the tissues, hand sanitizer, disinfecting wipes, and I send everything else back home for homework. I supply everything else (Ticonderoga Laddies, Pentel white plastic erasers, Crayola large crayons, Expo markers, Elmer glue sticks, Fiskars scissors, composition books, spiral notebooks, homework folders, etc) ALL OF IT! So many of my students tell me "I couldn't do my homework because I didn't have _______." Thousands of dollars of my money is spent on my students every year because I want to make it easier for me. Communal supply lists are great for many, but too stressful for me to manage 20 students who want "their stuff". I don't have the storage space, nor the time to manage it all. Everyone gets the same. If they lose it, etc., sure, they need to replace it if I don't have any more. As far as items getting destroyed intentionally, I warn my students they need to respect what I give them. If not, it all goes home with me and they get only what the school provides for them. My classroom rug, decor, book bins, supplemental materials, school supplies... everything that I have purchased gets packed up and moved out. I have done it 3 years in a row after my class was destroyed when I had substitutes. My classroom is my office and a space I share with 20(+) children who are not mine. I will teach them to respect my things, my space, our class, me, themselves, and each other.
This would all be solved if the tax money was actually spent on education, not lining the pockets of corrupt board members and relying on teachers stealing from children. Abhorrent. A symptom of the disease of capitalism.
We were shocked the first time a teacher told us not to label our son’s school supply. But then she explained that some parents are struggling more than others even though we’re in the same community. So. Is we buy a few extras when we can. School is meant to be the great equalizer but it’s far from that. Do what you can for others, because you never know when you might just be grateful that those supplies are available to everyone.
Exactly it’s tragic some peoples views! I know if they were struggling and someone else bought their kid school supplies h the ey would be thankful. However when it comes to them they don’t wanna do it. If they don’t have the money that’s understandable but you know half of these ppl on TikTok were just on vacation and living it up.
I’m not against helping others. Trust me I’m a daughter of immigrants. But… isn’t that what public school is supposed to be? Isnt that why we pay taxes?
@@pearlivory3483 I think we should point at the situation we’re in and not the bigger picture that we know can’t be changed easily. It’s like when someone is figuring out ways to help homeless drug addicts and someone says “Well there shouldn’t be any drugs on the street anyways” or “The government should be helping” yes that’s true…. but it doesn’t fix the issue we have right now lol Of course we should work towards fixing the bigger issue, but that could take years or lifetimes and also no one is offering solutions. It’s like another form of being a part of the discussion without actually contributing to the cause.
Former ECLC assistant teacher/day care worker who worked up until early summer COVID times: ...my goodness the audacity some of the older children would have. When I was growing up (elder millenial here), I was taught to respect other people's things, ESPECIALLY items that belonged to my daycare/school like toys/games etc. The older children I taught came from mostly richer areas, aka some of these brats already had brand new Iphones by the time they were 8. Said 8 year olds were completely OK with destroying school property like board games, coloring supplies, heck even ripping LIBRARY BOOKS with no remorse for their actions. It was insane. What made it even worse were the parents who just didn't give a sh!t and allowed their behaviors to continue. Was very happy with my former preschoolers, however, as we created a very caring learning environment that helped them understand respecting boundaries/people's things. But the older kids? Willy Wonka would have a field day let's just put it at that lol. I also won't be surprised once said alpha's go into adulthood and they get slapped with really frightening realities.
A child going without school supplies is not a “lesson” about life not being fair. Life not being fair is a lesson learned when you want something difficult to obtain, not basic necessities for a child who wont comprehend anything beyond the fact that they were excluded from having materials to learn. Save that lesson for another time. To shrug it off as “well thats a lesson the kids going to learn!” No, thats not a lesson. Theres so much lack of kindness in that statement.
It’s just nasty. You wonder why the whole classroom is sick? This is it. Divide it up and keep it in their desk. Everyone chips in and we’re all okay. Hold your state representatives, county reps accountable for the budget if you dont like it.
It also teaches children responsibility. If children aren't guided to organize,categorize, and put things away, they don't learn those skills. We had zipper pencil bags and hard cases. Had to keep the glue, scissors,stapler (yes, I'm old) in the hard case and pencils & crayons in the pencil bags. We learned to take care of our supplies. Lost the blue crayon? Ask someone to share our go without. I'm with you. Communal bins are gross and LAZY. Just like so many adults today.
@@itsallperfectlynormal9805That also teaches children how to function in a real community. In a community if you need to borrow something you need to ask and return it to remain in good standing in your community.
I was as broke as they come in the 90’s and absolutely hated having to get “communal” school supplies. It’s such a burden on top of everything else you are having to buy at the time. But, I didn’t want my children singled out as the “poor kids” so I had to make super tough sacrifices that were so impossible. Thank god for the groups who donated supplies in backpacks!!!!
I can understand both sides. I think both sides should respect each other’s boundaries. There are parents that are generous enough to buy school supplies for the class to share. But that doesn’t mean take a vantage of it. Some of these parents are germ-phobia and they don’t want their kids catching a disease. So it’s understandable why they were label it. At the end of the day, just respect one another’s boundaries.
im 21 now but when i was in school, the school/grade teacher gave us a list of school supplies we needed. one section was standard school supplies that we need for our personal use and then you had to buy a couple of EXTRA things for the communal supplies, but my teachers never took my personal supplies away from me to use as communal supplies, i think that's fked up. the school needs to give them those supplies and the govt needs to fix it.
To people that say, "Why don't you want other children to have supplies?" Well, to that I'd day. I would rather give real charity and generosity to a child that dose not have much on my own,than be forced to give charity to parents that don't prioritize their children. Also, it creates a dependentcy on people that are responsible and encourages laziness from people that don't care to provide or contribute. Simply put its the principle of the thing. If parents really can't afford it there should be a fund set in place that comes from the school not other parents pocket books.
I wondered this too, but I can’t imagine what it costs just to keep the lights on, pay the teachers, janitorial probably needs a steady budget for cleaning supplies, floors and playground equipment need repairs,some want bullet proof doors& camera systems, breakfast & lunches for food insecure kids. Yes, we pay taxes but are we advocating enough to make sure they get their fair share? Or are we more focused on the economy, the never ending wars, and social justice for marginalized groups? The kids and teachers get lost, unless it’s a debate about dress codes, banned books, 🔫 control.
I don’t remember my parents buying from a list when I was in middle school. We bought one folder per class, writing material and paper. Some notebooks here and there and that’s all. My sister has 2 children and has spent about $600 in these damn school lists this year alone!!! Outrageous!
One last thing! What about tryjng not to spread germs! If every child has there own tools and supplies than their germs are that much more contained. Covid out break? Pink eye? No problem, whole class dose not get sick beacue they wernt all dipping their hands into a communal germ factory!
It's one thing to want communal supplies, but it's another to make parents purchase them and then refuse to allow said parents to buy their own kids supplies for their use only. I've seen stories from parents where teachers won't allow parents to have their kids come to school with personal supplies - as in, even though said parent actually bought the communal supplies in additional to ones for their kid specifically to use. There have been cases told where teachers actually took the kid's personal stuff and gave them to other kids. Never mind the fact that the parents had already contributed the requested communal stuff. One of the fun parts of going back to school that I remember was getting to go and pick out all the (personal) supplies I wanted to use for the next year - It's not about not sharing with the other kids, but there is something wrong about taking things kids specifically picked out under the assumption they got to use them only to turn around and give it to Tommy or Suzy. It's not about not wanting to share - Why should the kids be forced to share when their parents already provided the communal items? also to add - My mom was a K12 teacher for a good majority of her life. This was in a time before communal supplies were a thing - so, yes, she ended up having to purchase a lot of basics that were needed for her classroom.
I don't know about forcing kids to share what their parents bought them for individual use but my first thought about forbidding individual use items is an effort to prevent bullying and theft. You would be amazed what kids are bullied for and poverty is one of them - - kids whose parents could not afford brand name items or "fancy" /trendy things would absolutely be singled out by other kids who were better off and made fun of, kids invent a hierarchy over everything and anything and it then leads to conflict and things getting stolen or broken out of desperation to fit in or out of retaliation. Even uniform policies to some extent can help kids if they might otherwise be bullied for not having the coolest shoes or wearing fashionable clothes - - seriously this is an aspect of preventing problems. But instead of taking from kids who have it to basically punish them for bringing it and give it to everyone else it should be the case that the teacher or school makes a list of which supplies (and brands) are acceptable and tries to select the cheapest and most common options to regulate what people bring in and prevent a discrepancy between students of different income levels.
@mensesmimi Ah yes buy this expensive uniform or your child cannot come to school, what's that you can't afford to buy 3 brand new shirts with the school logo? Check goodwill they might have some that are 2 sizes to big for your child. No that won't lead to bullying at all.... -_-
But it sounds like you already know that school supplies are 100% communal before your child attends the school. Personalize individual items like your kids lunchbox, bookbag, etc but allow the supplies to be communal.
@TomikaKelly I just can't wrap my head around spending 7.99$ on a pack of pencils and trusting your child to travel with them. Your child is going to lose them, no matter how responsible you think they are. Keep that stuff at home for homework! Send the 79c pencils to school.
@@mensesmimithe bullying and theft is awful, but kids have to lesrn that they are not always going to get what they want in life. You'll hit points in your life where you might not get to have the best things and you'll have to get what you can afford and what will work. It's a hard lesson to learn, but too bad. I didn't always get the nicest school supplies as a kid. I always wanted the Five Star zipper trapper keeper as a kid, but my parents couldn't afford it for me. I had to wait until college when I got a job to get one. But I survived just fine without it. We should teach kids not to be assholes and teach them that life isn't always fair at times and you have to make due with what you got. And to be grateful for what the community gives and take care of shared things.
Here's my beef: I am a stay at home parent to 3 children. We are an active-duty family, my husband doesn't bring in big money. BUT, we budget wisely to pay our bills, save for our future & save for our childrens' future. We sacrifice entertainment & going out to do so, our cars are 10+ years old. We live below our means. That said, we buy the entire list & donate supplies to local supply drives in addition to extra supplies & snacks to the school. The PTA will cover supplies for a family who reaches out and says they cannot. The amount of times I've encountered people who put themselves first (nails, new sneakers, newest iPhone, etc) & then complained they couldn't buy supplies- and the amount of parents I've heard bragging "why would I buy the list when I can get it free?" I stopped. Students in my son's class whose parents wouldn't send a snack because they knew the school would hand one out. I stopped putting us out in the spirit of giving while others who *can* choose not to. It's hard to articulate, but it's infuriating. School supplies for one child is less than a doordash order. I buy my kids' lists and no more. I'll reach out to the teacher in December if they need anything for the classroom.
Further, you should pull up your local school's supply lists- they're usually posted on the school's website. The list themselves are for communal amounts. There are the obvious supplies you'd want to put in your child's pencil box- but most lists, including ours has bulk amounts. Example: 100 pencils 3 reams of printer paper 5 packs of lined paper 3 boxes of tissues 2 boxes of ziploc bags 10 highlighters 10 dry-erase markers 3 Clorox wipes tubs 1 gallon hand sanitizer $10 check made out to the school 3 boxes of crayons I'll buy it, but there will be many who won't- and if more did, the amounts would likely not be so high.
Same. Military spouse, 3 children, and went without to donate. If they wanted their folder color to match their composition notebook, the ones sold for nickels, don't take that from them. Then these other parents are spending ridiculous things that I'd never waste my money on because I budget.
Soooo….you don’t go to the free school supply drive they have on base? I took my granddaughter to the one they had on Fort Bragg (Fort Liberty 🙄 now). I used to take my kids to the ones on base in the Virginia Beach area. They have them, you need to look for them. She got a really nice book bag and all. I took her to 5 more within the community.
A remember this communal supplies. Parents bought me nice staff and I never got a chance to use them. I always got some cheap stuff from this bucket. So I would definitely against it when my kid go to school
I think that last person perfectly summed up so many people in society today… they want to benefit from the community but they don’t want to co tribute to it. So many people have that belief, of every person for themself, with no concept of how much they actually benefit from the community and society, despite how individualistic they claim to be. It’s massive selfishness. We saw it during the pandemic, it became so apparent. I also love the other person who was so right… half the population is voting in people who are slashing education budgets. It goes back to what I said above… people want lower taxes, they don’t want to contribute, but they want to reap the benefits. Well, those benefits come at a cost, so why shouldn’t you pay??
I’ll answer your last question because we’re already paying… Taxes are already being used to pay teachers a school board and systems that aren’t using that money appropriately. A lot of families can’t even afford what little they do bring but parents are making it happen regardless so it is 1000% understandable that they want to preserve those supplies throughout the year for their child. After a few months of school when all that communal ish causes their children not to have any supplies who is gonna be responsible for going to get more? Those parents. Teachers need to help kids be more responsible with their supplies at school and parents need to be teaching that at home and anything extra that schools need for students anything communal should be provided by the community organization they are all participating in aka the school
You sound like someone who never contributes. Those of us that do contribute are tired of constantly contributing every month throughout the school year. My nephew didn't use hundreds of pencils or dozens of notebooks. Yet that's what I had to keep buying to contribute to the community bin. I don't mind buying an extra notebook or two or an extra pack of pencils. But based on what I was buying it seemed like out of the 32 kids in class me and one other parent were contributing. 30 were mooching. That's not a community. That's a parasite colony.
@@VictoriaInamorati1 Yeah, I’m a nurse who works full time with people living on the streets of my city. I don’t contribute anything. If that makes you feel better for your selfishness. Also… you’re arguing with strangers on the internet about paying an extra $20 on school supplies, which you can obviously afford. You’re one of the most privileged people on the planet and you’re arguing with people about it? Give your head a shake. Go help people who are less fortunate than you. Believe me, there’s many of them out there. And they’re all kinder people than you.
@@VictoriaInamorati1 YES! This is how it was the first year schools switched to communal bins when my little brother hit elementary. My class was the last year of individual supplies where we grew up. The few end up responsible for the many in a society where "they many" are the ones actually not contributing to the society much or at all.
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Do you agree with the idea of communal supplies? Who should pay for it? Parents, school, etc? Do you label your kids school supplies? Is not buying communal supplies selfish? Also my phone🔋 is on 28% and it's 4:30 a.m. 😭 what's yours on?
80% at 10:02 am. I was upset when I saw the school supply list. My perspective changed once I found out teachers were coming out of pocket. If I can provide extra, I will, not all the time, but if I can donate extra pencils and erasers, I dont mind.
28%, 10:07 am 😆
90% 1:59 pm. Thankfully, my kids school fundraised, had enough to cover supplies for all grades pre-K to grade 6. If I did have to get supplies, I would get whatever the teacher asked for. There’s no need to add stress to someone’s life that is only trying to help educate the future of the community.
7% at 12:27 pm. I honestly like this idea we will get closer to universal healthcare like this. I do understand the frustration of expecting to buy a couple supplies for your child and then get hit with the price of the whole class a little curious about how much it was in total. How long does it last like will the next year class have the same cost. Will there be leftovers for the next year? If there is leftover supplies will students receive a refund of supplies because you paid too much? What happens if a parent doesn’t have enough money to pay for it? What’s are the repercussions of not paying? Just curious because it would suck to be priced out? Overall I love the idea❤
11% - I’m totally against the communal thing -- if I send my child with specific tools for THEIR USE, it’s for THEIR USE.
I am not responsible for any other children but my own. ENOUGH WITH THE COMMUNISM. The people who work hard to pay for their kids supplies end up getting robbed to satisfy those who don’t.
And of course people will see the flaw in the system and then skip out on buying their kids anything since YOU CAN JUST USE OTHER KIDS STUFF smhhhh 🙅♂️🙅♂️🙅♂️🙅♂️🙅♂️
Parents and teachers shouldn't be going against each other. Instead, they should both go to the SCHOOL BOARD AND DEMAND BETTER FUNDING AND SUPPORT!!!
This 💯
the government is pitting everyone and everything against each other, including teachers, children and parents, in order to completely subjugate and eliminate publicly available free education
the government is pitting everyone and everything against each other, including teachers, children and parents, in order to completely subjugate and eliminate publicly available free education
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THIS. 💯💯
I don't get it. If it's communal then the school needs to charge a fixed amount from the parents and just buy everything in bulk and that's it. Why make the parents do the effort to go and buy the supplies for the kids just to put it in a communal bin, that's so weird to me.
We have a website to order the bundle for our grade. It is shipped directly to the school. It has been glorious.
You'll still have parents that won't/can't pay.
@@CixiaKyrrah okay, than the school should budget accordingly to take into account children that can't afford it
That's difficult because technically if parents give money to teachers, there needs to be receipts given to parents, and paperwork submitted to and processed by the school that acknowledges a donation was made by each individual. That donation then needs to go to the school board for approval. THEN we have to request the money withdrawn to be spent on xyz (paperwork documentation). At least that's how it's been at the districts I've worked in. Every dollar needs to be documented because schools and districts do get audited. And there shouldn't just be cash going between parents and teachers.
@@yaelberger8 I guess you’re not aware that public school budgets are constantly cut…
As a retired teacher, I offer another option. At the end of the school year, I’d go through the lockers and find tons of pens, pencils, loose leaf paper, jackets, and so much more. This was especially true in middle school. Community supplies for the next school year.
Completely agree, where are these community supplies that are unused going next year? scissors don't go bad, paper and pencils get used, but surely there is some extra, they don't expire..
Now that's ingenuity. You win the internet today!
@zackcinq-mars2129 from what I've seen, the community supplies are lomg gone by the end of the year. Supplies in personal lockers in middle school only gets you so much, especially if all the teachers do it. One teacher doing it would get you a decent collection of paper and pencils, all of them would spread it quite thin. Most kids empty their lockers, also, so most lockers will be empty
@@Bellsbear64 we were sent school supplies home that was left over from the previous year . Not my experience at all
@dawnyoung8 some schools have bigger budgets, the better the neighborhood the better the funding. Also, they do restocks of their supplies throughout the year so it makes sense there'd be some extra.
THE BIGGER PICTURE IS THAT WE PAY TAXES SO WHERE IS THE MOENY GOING!? WHY DON’T THE BABIES HAVE SUPPLIES AT SCHOOL! WHY IS THERE NOT A PROPER BUDGET FOR MATERIALS? WHY DO SCHOOLS HAVE IPADS, COMPUTERS AND LAPTOPS BEFORE PENCILS AND PAPER! Like this is so crazy to me, the school district should be providing these supplies to each school within it. A budget needs to be created before state and federal funds are allocated cause this is just crazy.
That part!
💯 my thoughts exactly. Sounds like the school isn't budgeting their funding in the right place or the BOE needs allocate more funds
If I recall correctly public schools are funded not by direct tax (as in taking all tax payments and evenly distributing them across all public schools) but instead by the amount of tax dollars paid by the people in the local area around that school which is a subtle means of segregation and stratification that ensures that people who live in poor neighborhoods will have access to worse education in poorly funded schools than people who live in wealthy neighborhoods and the restrictions on having to live in the same area as the school is located is ensuring that low income families whose children are able to gain access to good schools perhaps by testing (selective enrollment) can still be disqualified. There is a lot of income based discrimination that goes on and this is one way in which schools are underfunded because directly using tax dollars to evenly distribute resources to all schools because this would enable "the wrong people" to benefit. Attendance and other factors are also used to allocate funds but this tax discrepancy is a major factor. Lots of corruption and systemic classism going on with schools.
@@mensesmimi I’m aware of this that’s why I said each school district should be responsible for budgeting materials! Wether you are high or low income you still pay taxes to the state and federal government so you should be seeing a return on your investment. I know we pay enough in taxes to have pencils and glue sticks, at the very least!
Americans are some of the least taxed people in the world and the taxes that are paid go primarily to the military budget.
When an employer forces their employee to purchase their own supplies to do their work, that's typically called "wage theft".
I mean, if parents don't buy classroom supplies, it often falls to the teacher to.
If these parents are so mad about the communal roseart bucket, then they need to get together, and organize to get a school supply millage on the ballot and campaign for it.
I don't have kids. I'd vote yes on it. I'm also buying school supplies for a local elementary because of these stingy parents so maybe they should just shut up.
The employee can then write off the supplies as a work expense.
No they’re given budgets of spending money that they can buy all kinds of supplies with. They still make us contribute these lists of supplies though lol. Oh and they’re allowed to list wishlists. My mom buys that stuff every damn year too. And sends extra supplies to the schools for kids in need to grab from.
@@alyxxa6182yeah but only up to $300. Teachers spend way more than that.
@alyxxa6182 the deduction is $300
I think the reason parents get upset about school supplies and sharing is because the lists are very specific with brands and sizes, etc. You run all over finding these things and stressing out and then find out it's getting dumped in a bin and just to get lost, dried out and so on. I would also just prefer to write a check and have the teacher order what they want for the classroom.
So buy your kid the communal school supplies and have a separate set of supplies that your kid keeps in their desk/bookbag just for them.
@@TomikaKelly Yeah cause everybody in the world can afford to do that /s 🙄
@@Quacks4toyno they were talking to this person specifically they said they’d rather write a check so clearly they got it
@@Itsjustmadyyy i was responding to kelly not the person talking abt writting a check personally
@@Quacks4toy I’m aware of that and I’m telling you that they weren’t offering a solution to everyone. They were only offering a solution to the og commenter.
I worked at a large school district and the one thing I learned is that when the budget year is up and the administrators did not spend their budge, they would be in the race to buy needless things because they didn't want their budget reduced the next year. This is tax payer money that can be used for the classroom supplies.
Do you know that it wasn’t used for basic school supplies? If so, what was the reason why it wasn’t? What did they purchase, during the main part of the year and then what were the things that were needless, that they scrambled to purchase prior to it ending? Very curious…whole picture kind of thing, you know?
@@ec9833 Yes I do. I would walk through their building and was able to see all that they bought lines up in the hallway of the building.
You are right I had once a phone call from the accounting department of the district and told me to tell my principal that he has lost already 90k cause he’s not spending it at the end of the year so the district assumes that they don’t need it and told me to tell him to spend it when I do he told me the office manager is hogging it and won’t allow it etc the problem that schools are having with the mismanagement of funds is the politics. We have a new principal now he wants me to have the school bill cut in half cause our district charges our site for missing books even if the student is at fault for not bringing the book back. But anyways if the principal rather spend the site funds to pay for sport equipment parties etc then ya your school won’t have enough resources for school supplies. And elementary schools and JR highs are given far less than high schools
@@skeedamacknn politics from head to toe. SMH. We know so much better than that crap, at this point.
I worked in THE largest school system in the USA, and we never sent home a supply list-- we knew the pressure on parents was too much. We supplied everything. Everything. We would be conservative with our spending during the year and then, one year, we spent 30k on books. Use it or lose it was the May Motto.
We never had communal school supplies while we were growing up in the 80s and 90s. It was our responsibility as students to learn how to keep track of our own supplies
Exactly. But honestly parents today cant handle that. Theyll say "Why dont you have extra paper laying around for my child? What do I pay taxes for?"
I remember having communal school supplies at school and I grew up during the 90s
@@emmittnervend2918 yeah I grew up in Texas in the 90s and we also had communal supplies. We would have like our own special binder which could be special, but like paper and glue sticks and number 2 pencils and stuff? Those were generic and kept in the back to be picked out as you needed them and you ran out.
Depends on the age of the child. At the end of the day you can’t refuse a child a piece* of paper or a pencil because they lost it or ran out.
Imagine just having 2 or 3 kids sitting in a corner for the day because they lost their pencil or pencil case because everyone needs to have their own stuff. Imagine how upset some parents would be and how disruptive that student would be. Meanwhile with communal pencils there is no excuses to not be doing their work
Same with in the 2000s. The most we had to get was a bottle of hand sanitizer and two boxes of kleenex.
It’s part of learning to KEEP your school supplies organized and in your personal bag. How did we survive like that 20 years ago and now we have all these problems when stuff is produced 100x faster and cheaper! It’s weird
I remember we would use our own personal pencils year after year after year. Sure some of them got used up, but not as many as some of the other kids. Same set of scissors year after year, same binders with all the paper taken out. It just makes sense to take care of your supplies and reuse it the next year.
No for real, I remember growing up and hearing the total for school supplies ONLY being like $100 for everything they demanded we had(and didn’t use half of it) and now I can walk through THREE aisles of mass produced supplies and get everything PLUS SOME my child needs for less than $50. Make it make sense?
Everyone should be asking why their taxes aren’t paying for communal school supplies. They’re not paying these teachers fair salaries, kids more often than not have shitty old books etc… yet taxes go up and up! I know in my district the superintendent is a multi millionaire. Start asking questions, people.
You think inflation hasn't hit school systems?
It's wild you think that in a system that won't pay teachers a wage commiserate to their skill and experience would also then try to be responsible for school supplies. You want the school to provide for it? Fantastic. So do I. So vote yes the next time that school levy comes up at the ballot box.
@@mw6346 what lmfao. If cost of living is so high, wages should match. Yet in education they don’t. They only do for those at the top.
@@hikerhundNo,I don't want to see administration,simple office help, making more than teachers, which many do. I don't want to see the Superintendent of the school system who's paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year expecting to also get a car and with gas card and bonuses for just wanting more tax money every year. I don't want to hear about the obviously totally ignorant grant system that won't give money for what is actually needed but will for required items that really don't have anything to do with actual education like those stupid pads. I don't want to see huge fancy buildings with state of the art theaters or football stadiums and manicured landscape to hear that more money is needed to hire janitorial and grounds keeping. Some of the greatest minds our country has ever produced were in 1 room schools. All the fancy crap is nice, but an educational system that wasn't failing kids by graduating those that still don't even have basic math, science, or English skills but are pushed towards college for useless degrees and no skills. When I actually start seeing better results for my tax money I already pay I'd agree to more, but until then they might not need the "perks" that have nothing to do with actual education.
@hikerhund what skills do elementary school teachers have? They are glorified babysitters!
this is weird, when i was a student some supplies were personal (crayons, pencils) and some were for the whole class (tissues, hand sanitizer) and if someone didn’t have something we just shared. it wasn’t a big deal.
Exactly like wtf!? Did these people just forget that has always been a thing?
THIS!! I was really sitting here wracking my brain like did I miss something?? My mom would write my name on my stuff too like folders backpack pencil case etc but then yes you did buy tissues or whatever for the class. I remember them lists being loooong too. And if someone needed a pencil or an eraser or whatever you just gave them one it wasn’t a whole thing…what is happening?? But then again I went to private schools so 🤷🏾♀️
In my kids school everything is super specific and they can't have personal anything, it's all shared.
Thank you. Im highly confused. Everyone bought their own supplies. And the teachers had extras.
Just more proof society is completely broken, killed the nuclear family and destroyed community and coming together. Everyone is divided. I actually believe these are the end times. Roman Empire 2.0
No. Kids need to learn the responsibility of managing their own things. I’m all for sending in things that ARE communal (boxes of tissues are a common one that my kids’ teachers request) but my kids have their own school supplies, they are not communal,but they do often share them with their friends or table groups as needed- so long as they are respected and returned afterwards. These are important things for kids to learn.
The schools should provide these for the teachers, but if it helps a child whose parents may not be able to afford school supplies then I’m not going to throw a fit over a $1 box of crayons.
My thoughts exactly. While tax dollars should be covering this, they aren’t, so let’s try and look out for all the littles. I think I spent around $60 on supplies for 6th grade and threw in a few extra supplies because I know some parent is paying a bill late or using Afterpay to finance back to school expenses. I think communal supplies also provide a means of not embarrassing kids whose parents don’t send them with supplies for whatever reason.
Some kids are sleeping in cars. Ot seems so petty to be concerned about other kids using the supplies you purchased in the big scheme of things. I think of how schools used to single kids out who qualified for free lunch (some probably still do) and how terrible it is to make a child feel self-conscious for something that’s out of their control.
@@amandamarklandyoga, I agree with you. And children shouldn't have anything else on their minds that will get in the way of their education. Our children are our future.
Crayons are actually only 50 cents if you get them at the beginning of the school year. 😊
I did. 😂 Not my problem. Communal teachers are full of shit.
@@bourgeoisbarbie7734 Exactly, this is disgusting. Taking from one child’s mouth to feed another, absolutely not.
I don’t agree with all things being communal supplies. What I give my kid I want to stay with her. It ticked me off when they started that. With that said let me know you need additional supplies. I’m willing to pitch in help and toss some extra supplies in the mix. However, if I buy my kid a Disney pen and notebook she’s excited about I want her to keep them. That’s half the fun in shopping.
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Exactly. Yellow pencils? Come on. There's maybe 2-3 kinds and they're all going to get mixed around anyway. Kleenex? Who thought you were bringing that just for the one kid? Notebooks, journals, scissors, glue, crayons, color pencils? Now you're starting to get a bit too personal in taking those up. Teachers who want communal supplies should get them from the school or buy their own.
Our teachers had a “Wish List” posted in their classroom of things they needed. I loved that. I had no problem getting those items or getting them a gift card to Walmart for them to purchase what they needed throughout the school year.
@@apekast73 That’s a great idea.
This
I got made fun of for not being able to afford all the extra school supplies they were asking for. So my mom started to write my name on all my supplies. And told me it's mine she doesn't care what the teacher says. My mom is a gen x parent, and she said that is how she went to school, so that is how she was raising me
Former Teacher chiming in! There are certain supplies that I consider communal and certain things I don’t. If things are labeled for certain students, then I let them get there supplies as needed. Truth is, by October most of them have used everything their parent has bought. So, for the rest of the year, they are using my teachers stash. Paper towels, hand sanitizer, soaps, Lysol wipes all of these supplies are communal. However, I have never worked at a school where 100% of my students bring 100% of what’s on the list. Maybe 25%. Even those who do bring school supplies expect it to last all year. It doesn’t.
This is how it’s always worked for me as well. I think folders, notebooks, binders, pencil cases absolutely shouldn’t be communal, and I wish that scissors hadn’t been, but grabbing a pencil, glue stick, dry erase marker or eraser was always convenient. Things like that aren’t personalized, and other than pencils are easy to share. I never had an issue getting something that worked because everyone passed around the nicer ones.
I always wondered if people were buying the whole list. I forgot one thing last year and sent it in immediately the next day. 😆 I low key feel like the school supply list is a personal assignment. Must be completed in full.
@@lynne7460THIS! As a former teacher, couldn’t agree more! 👏👏👏
By October?! 😦 I guess I'll be emailing my kids' teachers in October asking them what they need. Thanks for sharing.
@@amandamarklandyoga Most parents have multiple kids, so I’ve never expected parents to buy the whole list. It’s merely an estimation of things we anticipate students needing for the school year. The most essential supplies (pencils, erasers, paper, markers) are the first to go.
I have a vivid memory from kindergarten that still pisses me off to this day. We were encouraged to bring our own toys from home so we could play together and I brought my beautiful, stunning, brand new Sailor Moon wand. It lit up, made sounds, it was gorgeous. At the end of the day one of the nuns (I grew up in Italy and I'm 31, it was common at the time to send your kids to bible study-like daycares 😳) took it from me and put it into the common toy box. Amongst the ripped teddy bears and the mud incrusted naked Barbie dolls. And I said "but that's mine!" She ignored me. Then one kid looked at me straight and said "it belongs in the box now."
I was so upset!! And my mom, bless her heart, was too afraid of confrontation to go get it back for me. I've never seen my shiny beautiful Sailor Moon wand again 🥲
That being said, I think it's okay to label things that are a bit more costly or personal to the child's taste. In case, like that mother said, the child wants their stuff back! It's good to teach them to share but also to not be a doormat!
I'm so sorry that happened to you. My family taught me to keep certain nice stuff like toys and electronics at home for the reason you said in the story, to protect personal belongings.
If you were my kid I would've gotten your wand back.
Also, sharing is not the same as giving your own stuff away. And as a Catholic school kid through college the most abuse I suffered was at the hands of nuns, brothers, etc. Their explanations/behaviors were illogical, contradictory and manipulative with a few smacks thrown in for good measure as they were lecturing about kindness, sharing, being “good”. They were awful and sad people.
That sucks. But has nothing to do with this conversation. Just telling some anecdote that isn't even relevant.
@@lallana2882 It is relevant if you read it.
if i had gotten good pencils and the teacher took them and gave me the kind that leaves pink smudges when you erase i would actually be livid
I had Lisa Frank and other girly colorful ones. I never had the “yellow ones” if she took my colorful pencil and I got stuck with a damn yellow one THERE’D BE WAR 😂
I don't get it. My mom always brought the packet of #2 pencils to give to the class but I still had my own personal pencils that I kept in my little pencil case. Do teachers just take up any and every pencil?? Cause why are people mad about their kids supplies being taken away when it's usually the newly bought basic stuff handed to them that they take
The bigger problem is that taxes should be more than enough to cover school supplies. Money is not being allocated correctly.
You act like those same taxes don't already pay staff salaries, building and building maintenance, security, textbooks, computers, utilities, busses, insurance, material for lessons, furniture, food, transportation for events, etc... it is not an unlimited resource. Enrollment is down due to lower birth rates. So are you willing to pay more taxes, or do you want services cut?
@mw6346
My school half the desks were broken most of the text books were at least 6 years old, they tried to make the choir kids pay 50!! For a free class
But the football team and cheerleaders always had brand new uniforms every year.
My art class was using broken pencils and paints.
No schools do not allocate resources equally across the board
@mw6346 the US spends the most of education in the western world with the worst results
@@dogguy8603 The U.S. has more special education kids and offer them more services than almost any other country. We also have to have english as a second language staff available in all school to help integrate kid who have illegally entered the country. Kids whos family haven't paid a dime for their education. None of this is black and white. But again, parents having to buy $30 of supplies really isn't the issue here.
As a French person I’m baffled, what do Americans pay taxes for if ya’ll have to pay for communal things?? And the fact that the government doesn’t give you money for the school supplies is crazy to me
✨the military✨ so the Pentagon can lose $1.4 trillion 🥰
The government is giving themselves millions of dollars in pay and spending the rest of it on the military so we literally don't have any money for anything else. Our schools are barely scrapping by, it's hell here and everyone thinks that the trans community is a more important issue than the future of their own children.
As a Finn the one thing that really boggles me is that the schools don't even pay for wipes and tissues and stuff like that???? Parents have to buy their kid their own soap?!?
Right? Reminds me of those one-room schools in villages in the 1800s when the students brought the teacher's dinner as payment. Seems not much has changed across the pond...
As a Canadian…same. Does any other western country do this? 😭 this system is wild
growing up in the early 2000s i remember teachers sending a list of things needed for the classroom and my mom never had an issue because we were allowed to keep our own personal stuff. as long as my kid can keep his own stuff i’ll provide the classroom with whatever is needed!
I've worked in a few kindergarten classrooms and I'm personally not for the communal school supplies. I've personally seen several parents who intentionally don't provide supplies for their kids and tell them to use the stuff in the shared supplies. It's not fair to the few parents who go above and beyond with donations to that pile. Providing school supplies for your child is your personal responsibility and it's just greedy and lazy to depend on others to provide for your child
Honestly I would prefer a millage or something. I'm a landowner with no kids. I'd be down with my tax money making sure schools have stuff like tissues. It would be spread over more people so overall it would cost less.
There's a big issue currently where our district mismanaged funds so I'm really mad at our entire school board so we need to deal with that first though.
Exactly that's the problem I have! Sadly out of a class of let's say 20 kids there's only about 8 parents doing the heavy lifting buying what's asked of them.while the other parents don't bring anything.and when it's time for my child to grab a communal item there's nothing left even though I bought these items for my child to use
This!! Why am I being told that I’m not teaching my child to share when they have done so many times in different ways, but it’s not being said that some of these kids are being taught to take advantage of the system and they are learning ENTITLEMENT!
@@YellowTXRose1 just buy the box of kleenex dude. When your kid comes in with no supplies to give to the teacher, the other kids will pick up on that. I saw it before where the kids who didn't have stuff got made fun of by the bullies. You're setting your kids up to be made fun of for being poor their entire elementary school life.
I gotta tell you, as someone who was bullied, that sticks with you, don't make it easy for the bullies.
I have grown children and have always been confused on “communal”.
It sounds like the word that needs to be used is “subsidized”.
The option to share should be a choice, not a requirement. I grew up poor but back to school shopping was my favorite time of the year. My mother always made sure I got what I needed and what I loved.
When they tried to make me share my items I tried at first, but people broke my things. So I stopped sharing and sometimes got in trouble for it until my mom stepped in. I take very good care of my belongings because I know the value of money.
And roseart crayons suck, idc what anyone else says. I would have no problem as a parent donating additional supplies but I would definitely have separate things for my kids too that shouldn’t be touched.
This is exactly how I feel! My mom always bought things for the community bin but we also had our own things and she would buy our things from art supply stores because I was talented at art and took it seriously from a young age. Roseart does suck 😂
I agree!
Exactly! If your sweet mother sacrificed in other areas to make sure you got what you needed, it would be heartbreaking to see another child abuse what is essentially your mother’s sacrifice. You took care of your things in appreciation of what your mother did for you. And forced sharing is actually taking away the spirit of kindness from the gesture.
Maybe you could just keep the high quality stuff at home. Keeping it at home also gives some incentive/interest for doing homework.
@@boldenmywords then I have to use crappy quality stuff in class to do my work? No way. I actually liked doing my work and got pissed if my utensils sucked. That’s why I got my mom to buy me the good stuff. And I did my homework without being told. Some kids are just good scholars. I was a straight A kid too.
I just went down the back to school aisle last week and got the good jittery feeling in my stomach looking at pencils and crayons and I’m an adult. I LOVE school supplies, I think it was my first shopping addiction 🤣
My Daughter in a custodian at a public middle school. They supplies that are left over at the end of the year is mind blowing.
My daughter came home with a ton of extras. I just kept it for this year and only did a little fill in shopping.
Why not be honest and ask parents, who want to help, to donate to the community supplies and simply just allow for kids who want to keep their own stuff to themselves? You can't force people to help. When I was a kid I had school supplies that I wanted for myself because I hate germs.
I agree. If there are kids in my kids' class that the teacher notices doesn't have supplies. Speak up! Quiet mouths don't get fed. Engage the community, and don't force the community. Life is hard for everyone, but we can all do our part, but to be out here robbing Peter to pay Paul, don't teach people or them kids anything. Also, that's what the school board is for and taxes are supposed to pay for. Clearly, this is a state and federal government issue that the people (us) need to rectify by holding them accountable.
@@abrianavibes facts! This is classic blame shifting and the problem shouldn't lie in the laps of tax paying parents and teachers.
When I grew up, we had our supplies in our own desk. We had pencil cases in our desk. We had our own box of crayons. We were poor so our boxes were small. Other kids had the big box of crayons. I learned that this is life and it’s not fair. I’m ok with that. Even my kids had their own supplies. Yes, they asked for communal tissues but they had their own supplies in their desk.
As a child, we were responsible for our own school supplies. We had a pencil box. It had pencils it had pens that had a pack of crayons. It had some color pencils. It had some glue it had some scissors. It had a small ruler that was all our responsibility as a student you got in trouble if you weren’t sitting in your chair with your pencil and your eraser and where was your notebook that’s how we all got personal responsibility trained into us, you didn’t want to be called out in front of the class for not having your pencil, we also had a mini pencil sharpener in that box too.
Donations are legally optional, and should remain so.
I’m a retired HS math teacher and to prove a point I kept all my receipts for the pencils I bought in one semester(1/2 year). I bought Ticonderoga from Costco. I bought regular # 2 and golf pencils for compasses. I spent just over $250, took daily pictures of pencils on floor, stabbed into books, cork bulletin boards, chewed up, purposely broken, etc
So at my observation during the next semester I had a mathematical show and tell and stated I would challenge the ding I received for not making sure my students had appropriate tools for class. Documented my response to the observation and voiced my concern that even though I was a senior teacher I could no longer afford to pick up the school district’s tab since I was paying for my own 3 children’s school supplies, living supplies, existing supplies, saving for their college, my retirement, my mortgage, my transportation costs. It was only fair that the school district did the same for the children they are responsible for educating.
End of rant.
BTW: my observation was changed in a positive direction. I did keep original and my documentation just in case the particular admin tried that nonsense again.
Do you know better how much money is actually coming from which tax payers, to which schools, districts, what they’re utilizing that money for, why, if it’s subsidized, if so, where, who was voted in that affects these things etc? Cuz I think there’s info missing in the big discussion amongst ppl. Ppl not understanding just how many freaking teachers are paying for supplies…one teacher friend of mine, in a charter school, works 5 jobs in the summer and does some type of gofundme kind of thing because, other than the seats, desks & whatever is permanently affixed to their rooms, she buys it. The list they send to parents…NOTHING compared to what comes out of her pocket. You think her room looks cute with all the inviting, curious decor? Her pocket. The books they get to read or are read to, her pocket. When the supplies are long gone, her pocket. Treats, games, protect materials…other than the freaking curriculum they give, the text books…it’s her. And that’s not right. And then they go and tweak her pay when she does summer school, in order for MORE TAXES TO COME OUT. 🤦🏽♀️ Anyway…just wish we all knew better what was what and why.
@@ec9833 in terms of funding schools it depends on how each state sets up. In NY each May, i think it is, each school district votes on the school budget. If the budget doesn’t pass the district is on an austerity budget that has minimal funding. The school districts are funded through property taxes.
The only exceptions are the big cities, NYC, Yonkers, for sure and maybe White Plains, Albany, Buffalo, Syracuse and Rochester.
Those budgets are set by their administration,
@@kmmb8266 interesting. Thank you for sharing. -Most districts seem to be funded by property tax across the states. As many as I’ve lived in, anyway. And what a poor point of construction, right there. That again, a public institution, legally mandating parents to send their children to, more waking hours than parents even see them…its quality is first, significantly affected by socioeconomic conditions, which are affected, themselves, by other deep seated, unequal parts of the entire system. SMH. We’ve known this for so long…but I don’t think we really let it sink in to the depths in which it truly affects. Certainly not when the hot take of all of August are communal vs individual glue sticks.
I hate when they take the supplies I bought for my kid, and find he gets garbage supplies when he comes home with his stuff. We're already getting free schooling from taxpayer dollars. Stop stealing what I worked for to provide my kid. You want extras - I honestly don't mind buying extras to help. DON'T STEAL FROM MY KID! I'm sick and tired and of people acting like my kid doesn't matter.
Your kid is not the only kid.
@@kaigaga They were complaining about what they bought for THIER KIDS not the COMMUNAL SCHOOL SUPPLIES. Those two are completely seperate in my experience.
@@kaigagaClose your mouth you communist.
@@kaigaga and their kid is THEIR KID, those others are NOT her kids
Again, the bigger issue that parents should be worried about is academic and behavior. Teach your children how to act before they get to school and be invested in their academics. If you have special supplies just put the name on it, put it in their desk and move on.
Like just use those supplies for homework...
As a former teacher, we utilized the classroom communal bins for pencils, scissors, crayons, and markers, because some kids who don't have the "nicer" things may steal or be made fun of (bullied). It then comes back on the teachers when we receive a raging email from a parent. It helps ALL students when there is a communal bin for supplies.
Also, don't take things out on the teachers. It's not our fault. We are doing the best we can with the school climate and culture.
Also, we as teachers put our own funds from our bank accounts to supply materials for our students.
In my experience, we are paying more for the classroom and our students. If parents and teachers can come together, it'll be a better situation.
@@Aug520this has to be a bot comment because nothing I said disagreed with the teacher perspective and I even talked about how the priority should be on more important things 😂
@@KAye633 🤣🤣🤣 No, I'm not a bot, but life would be a bit easier if I could be! 😆
@@KAye633i think she was talking more in a general sense or to add onto what you were saying. not all replies to comments are directly a response against said comment.
I think each student should have their own school supplies. It teaches personal responsibility and appreciation. When there’s a bin or stack of anything it is seen as less valuable. Instead of a case of 5 perfect pencils there’s now a bin of 500 half broken ones.
I agree, plus I dont know why more focus isnt on the parents who literally can't afford it. Every time its brought up in this video the person says 'you say you cant afford it but you got your nails done/went on vaca etc'. There are definitely people in my area who can't afford it and dont do those things, but are too proud to ask for help. When I was in school, we all had our individual supplies and there were cheap communal supplies that were optional to donate for kids who forgot theirs/needed more which were brought in during the teacher meet and greet IF YOU COULD. Now if you can't afford to donate you're viewed as selfish.
@@brookeandrustyah yes. Means tests the poors as we do. Make sure only the poorest get help. Watch every purchase they make so we can be sure their kids is deemed poor enough.
Acknowledging parents sucking sure helps little Susie when she has no supplies.
@@lallana2882 I mean, if someone has to ask for help that could just be the means test in itself. People are prideful, the ones who really need the help will ask. We are taking that out of the equation. Someone who might be able to afford the supplies, but would rather spend the money on themselves, now doesn't even have to ask for help for their kids to get supplies on another parent's dime. I get times are hard, that is why people donate supplies to schools and churches. If you need cheap or free supplies that is where you can get it.
so if one student forgets their supplies at home? then what? did you ever teach? half of my students forget their supplies? and the ones who are supposed to teach personal responsibility and apprecistoin ARE NOT THE TEACHERS !!! THE PARENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT!!!!!
Right? How are you gonna teach these kids anything if you have to micromanage them. When i was a kid we had DESKS where we put our supplies in. If you ran out you got use one of the 5 junk pencils the teacher had then you went home and got some more
This brings back a memory of 2nd grade where my mom (who was a single mom and low income) bought me some off brand markers and I cherised them sooo much because it was all we could afford. I was at school and I was letting my friend borrow them. A boy sitting by me wanted to use them too but I said no because he was a marker smasher and liked destroying things. He told my teacher and my teacher said that if I wasn't going to share with the whole class, I shouldn't share at all.
It's good to teach kids community and to share but I think it should be optional for teachers and parents but should ultimately be funded by the school.
GET MAD AT THE GOVERMENT, NOT AT EACH OTHER!!
Some of these parents really got selective memory. I started kindergarten in the 90s the teacher had lists for individual supplies and some for all of the classroom.
Same here. The classroom had the Dixon #2 pencils and I had the BIC mechanical pencils 😆
Same. Ain’t none of this new lol. I started school in 1992. And my oldest kid is 15. I remember my school supply lists being longer than the ones my kids have had.
Ok but it’s different now. Before things were like a registry like tissues, snacks, napkins. Now everything is so particular specific colors for each class also kids are wastefull. I remember my mom questioning why I was always needing pencils when school just started 😂 also my mom did buy name brand stuff so I respected my stuff more because I knew it wasn’t cheap.
@@oliviaormsby7114you should go back to school
I was there in the 90s to and no this wasn’t always a thing
Canadian who's moved to America stepping in here-
We bought our school supplies for ourselves- not the teachers or schools.
With what we pay in property taxes in Houston Texas, I think it's laughable that the schools have the nerve to ask for supplies. At 2.8% for property tax and 54% going towards schools- There is no excuse that the schools can't afford this.
Back in Canada my property tax is 0.6% and 30% goes towards schools.
The government of Alberta pays $8,400 per student, the government of Texas pays $10,387 per student.
What's going on, America?
Why does it cost so much more for tax payers and still, parents are expected to keep paying more and more.
The math isn't mathing.
You hit the nail on the head! Why aren't our tax payer dollars covering communal supplies or even personal supplies. In fact each kid should recive money to cover back to school shopping from the school. You are right! The match ain't mathin! And dont get me started on parents having to pay property taxes to send other people kids to school when they homeschool their kids. Parents who homeschool or people who don't have kids should not have to fund the schools! A whole other conversation for a whole other day!
@@brookejackson4685 yeah in Canada you still have to pay towards public schools, but if you home school you get nice tax breaks and a deduction on property taxes!
With all due respect, you aren’t presenting the entire equation. Which leads to your question, right? The math isn’t mathing, atm, because there are holes where the other numbers need to be. You don’t even need to bring Canada into this. Toooooo many variables. What’s going on in Houston. Or your district. You’ve got ppl paying a variety of amounts cuz, percentages. So how much is being pulled from what area, which areas go to which districts, is it supplemented at all, in your area, in another, to another, to yours? And then where is every single penny going? Like…a bonafide list that accounts for all of it. Right? And then, do you understand what it is the money is going toward? Do you understand the reason for the choices? Do you agree? Disagree? Who can you influence with your opinion? Who is it that y’all are voting for that’s making these decisions?
@@ec9833 you're trying to sound educated and critical but it's fairly easy to understand. With what Canadians pay into schooling vs Americans and what one gets back, is majorly different. This shows there's a mismanagement of funds. This is an American issue as a whole. The entire taxing structure is broken in America. Supposedly living in one of the cheapest states (Texas) and seeing how gouged people are - reminds me daily that America's government/schools/medical is dysfunctional.
Though, I don't blame you for not being able to understand. Basic percentages seems to be hard for you to grasp onto.
@@picklethepepperI disagree. Texas isn’t cheap. Especially Houston. At least not imo as someone who lives in the Midwest. Someone who does not live in any big well known city like that. I looked into that place just for fun, thinking of making a trip, possibly moving if the option ever presented down the road, and realized quickly it’s too expensive for me. I know some people from there as well. They are more well to do.
If you dont mind me asking, what makes you call Houston cheap? My comparison is my own state NE and knowing family who frequently tell me how much cheaper Arkansas is. I’ve also seen Arkansas rank highly on cheaper states to live. I do live in a city coming up closer with ever year to 1 mil inhabitants, but calling it such might not seem like it to others living in say California, New York, or even some cities in Texas like the one mentioned. My state is still mainly seen as cornfield country. I mean, it is, but not every place here is cornfield country.
I thought putting your name on all your own supplies was normal. As a kid with ADHD being raised by a parent with ADHD, putting my name on literally every single crayon was the only way I could keep track of my stuff, and even then, it's not fool-proof. It also gave my mom another opportunity to give me words of confidence (next to my name, sometimes she would add things like, "You're a star!" Very memorable ❤)
That being said, my mom also sent me to school with bags of school supplies for my teachers.
I hope parents and teachers are able to come together in understanding. We are stronger together ❤❤❤
I get it we were talking about this at work. I don’t have children but the best part of school for me growing up was picking out my fun pretty school supplies. School itself wasn’t enjoyable so that brought the joy in it for me. As a child I would have been angry if the things my mom let me pick out ended up in a box for other kids to take from me. A lot of parents I talk to don’t like the communal school supplies situation.
I see Parents send their child to school with NEW IPHONES but don't want to buy a packet of pencils for the class.
They aren’t buying the iPhone. They are going in debt for an iPhone they can’t afford. When I was growing up, I knew for a fact some families were on food stamps, yet they had the brand new iPhones every year. Blew my mind.
@@Katie-ry4lj man I remember that growing up in America. I always wondered why I had to wear Payless shoes and they had the most paid shoes. My immigrant parents didn't believe in buying expensive clothing but more on school supplies.
Who the hell are you to decide how that parent spends THIER money IF they provide for their children? Y'all who accuse the parents who RIGHTFULLY decline compulsory charity. Of being "greedy" and "selfish" should engage in some independent intellectual examination of your values. -Compulsory charity in reality is theft because charity is voluntary.
😂😂😂.
I am flat out refusing to pay for this expensive nonsense based on SITUS.
WHAT IS SCHOOL TAX THEN IF THIS IS FREE? $24,000 per year per student for the parents to work at their $20,000/year job. 😂😂😂😂STUPID. Who's delayed in their intellectual and emotional development? The socialists commie parents and teachers.
I am so glad I freed my children from the grasp of these quasi- authoritative miscreants.
NOT MY PROBLEM.
@@Katie-ry4lj That's their own problem then, and it doesn't mean they can't actually afford a packet of pencils.
The teacher doesn't want cheap supplies. They specifically ask for the expensive stuff to send in. I grew up with my own supply box of stuff, and it was never an issue to have my own stuff and just use that. I knew how to take care of my stuff and tell my mom what I needed more of from kindergarten onward. I was always told communal supplies is because not everyone buys supplies, so they put them all in a pile for everyone to use so everyone has. That's bot sharing. That's taking from the families that send stuff in to forcibly take and give to someone else. We call that theft. You steal from the parents who do to subsidize people who do not. No, I'm not okay with that. As an adult, no one can take my stuff without my permission. Yet, are stealing from kids and and calling it sharing when it's theft. The theft is done to kids because kids are little and not respected as human with possessions. That's gross. Kids own their stuff. Kids own their bodies. Kids deserve that respect as humans to have their possessions respected.
All of this, right here.
Also, the nerve of teachers to ask for the most expensive stuff when some of us can only afford off-brand stuff even after taking care of rent, bills, etc. No extras for parents.
Cheaper stuff gets destroyed faster; they're asking for the good pencils and crayons because they last longer. Ticonderoga is better than Rose Art, full stop.
That being said, it's not fair if someone invested in their kid's Ticonderoga and it gets taken away and replaced with Rose Art because "fairness" in collection and redistribution.
Straight up communism
You all sound super hateful and not community minded. Screaming about autonomy over some pencils. How silly.
One thing I didn’t like when I was in school was when the teachers would ask for certain things from each and every student and yet when those same students would ask for some mthing like tissues, then the teacher would say “you’re not about to be coming up to my desk and keep grabbing tissues“.
I was upset because even as a child. I knew that 1) my parents contributed a box of tissues to the class and that means I’m entitled to use up at least one box of tissues if I’m not feeling well. And 2) that if each child is bringing one box of tissues that means there should be plenty for us children to go around.
20 to 30 boxes of tissue to last an entire classroom a full year? The math ain't mathing. 30 boxes ÷ 9 months = 3.33 boxes of tissues a month for 30 kids. Average box of tissues has 70 sheets. That is like 58 tissues a week if you make them last the entire year. Thay equals 1.9 tissues a week per kid.
I'm a public high school teacher in Australia. Kids bring a pencil case to school each day with their supplies. If a kid has no supplies due to forgetfulness or lack of funds, we give them some from the cupboard. Our schools have enough funding to buy pencils, tissues, glue and hand sanitiser. Even whiteboard markers for the teachers and it's no problem. The problem is that the US doesn't properly find public schools.
We absolutely don't but it's also pretty much an elementary school thing. Usually the school supplies are cleaning supplies, paper, arts and crafts and tissues.
The way these parents talk, you'd think the parents were expected to buy computers when realistically it's probably a $50-75 investment if everyone pitched in.
It's not the funding, it's the allocation of those funds. In CA there are more staff than students. We do not need all of these people on the budget. The size of the admin staff is insane, and their salaries even more so. That is the problem, not a lack of money.
They provide transportation for kids, laptops or I pads, textbook, other supplies, and free lunch / breakfast. Where are the parents responsible for their kids' education? Asking parents to buy a few pencils and notebooks is not unreasonable. I have done back to school shopping, and the supplies cost maybe $40 a year for name brand items.
@mw6346 lunch and breakfast is not free for most kids
@alana9979 in my district and most districts in my area schools provide free breakfast and lunch to all kids regardless of income
My dad didn't have much money when we were young, there were times he would look for change in the car or couch cushions to get enough to purchase basics.
He always made sure we had our basics in school. But we didn't have expensive stuff or even "extras" like lunch boxes. He could barely supply for us, he didn't want to worry about others too - but he took pride in knowing he could provide for us
I labeled my kids' supplies and you should too. Here's why: I always helped the teachers with take-home projects. One year I took home the communal pencils every week to sharpen them. This was 2nd grade for my oldest. Do you know what kids do to pencils while they're bored in class?? They chew on them. I have a rare autoimmune disorder that means my body can't identify viruses and bacteria and start fighting them off, so I am constantly sick. After I saw that these pencils were going into the mouths of half the class and back into the hands of all of them, I knew I had to have my kids stop using communal supplies. So I labeled everything and communicated the reason to our teachers. I still continued to buy extra supplies throughout the year for the classroom. If your kids are coming home sick all the time, you might consider this. (Yes, it did help and I got sick less often after making the change)
THIS! Especially after Covid now, kids shouldn't be sharing small supplies that end up in their noses, ears, mouths during the day. They'd need less sanitizer if they didn't share any of those things too. Having their own supplies to keep track of is a key component of learning responsibility too, which too many kids, and unfortunately younger adults too, seem to not be keen on.
@@amandadatugan2900 Absolutely. This is a known issue in economics too. If a resource is shared, people will take care of it less than if it is individually owned. Taking ownership of your things and being responsible for them is a huge life lesson that is good to learn early.
Brit here, this is WILD to me. We had to buy certain supplies ourselves, generally through the school, and the school had bulk supplies of pens and pencils. If I bought my kid supplies and I found out they had their supplies taken from them, I am going to be furious. Backwards way of doing it. If they're doing communal supplies, be absolutely upfront about that and have parents pay into a pot and the school buys in bulk, way more economically efficient.
In my experience, they always were. They would tell us to buy supplies for ourselves and then supplies that the classroom can share. Every school I worked at did the same thing.
No child should be forced to give away their things, ever. It's not the responsibility of parents and kids to give their own things to other kids. If parents want to be nice, they can give their own kids extra things and tell them to give them to other kids if they don't have their own. That would be nice and make both your kid and the other kid feel good!
You’re ridiculous! It’s never that serious
School have lists for individual and communal supplies dummy
@@socalbarbie1040it is for a single mom who can't afford to provide for other people's children
Personal property is law, and a communal school policy isn't above personal property rights
Stop telling the kid the pencil is "theirs," then they won't freak out having to give up "their" pencil. You're creating your child's problem yourself.
@Because-rt8qs no, communist. Personal property rights are a thing. It's not a problem for a child to be taught they can own things.
I’m a single mom and if any of my son’s teachers needed anything extra, I would do my best to help them. If I support them, they support me.
This is how I feel as well. I may not be able to contribute a boat load, but I do try my best to send extras and if my daughter has her own special notebook she picked out I just label it.
I believe in karma, you put good out into the world and it'll come back. It might take a minute and it might not happen when you always need it, but it'll come back to you when you're down on your luck down the road.
We're all in this together. Hope your son has a great year ❤
Thank you ❤️
I'm a single mom and I have 1 kid to pay for, not 32.
Another thing I will say is that not all kids grow up in a healthy situation. My grandparents had 8 kids. My mom told them one day to stop giving her Christmas presents, because every time she was given something one of her siblings would either take it or break it. Maybe school supplies is a way for children to have ownership of something that someone won’t take from them. Everyone is talking about this from an adult perspective, but what do the kids really think. Some I’m sure don’t care but I’m willing to bet that others do for very personal reasons.
THIS so much this. I've just spent 20 minuets ranting so I can't really say what I want rn.
But yes Taya the huge issue! Ppl don't understand the participle of kids here - Especially if your poor and have very little! Of your forced to give up that 3-pack of mechanical pencils you've been waiting liquef 9 months for.. and your forces to 'share' it. It can cause damage to the psyche, forcing you to share something precious of yours when you know you'll lose it. And then you gotta hate yourself cuz you LET them talk you into it etc.. not like you had a choice. But yeah that sticks with you rapidity of your a kind and generous person to begin with. It makes you confused that your not allowed to have things but others are
(This is basically what socialism/communism 2.0 is doing to us all. They've got the idea of sharing and ownership all twisted up into a Gordon knot of mental gymnastics when I'd you just take a step back and look - you realize it's all a sham to push specific ideologies upon the next generation making it easy to force them to vote and think a certain way. Even a a teen in the 90s I warned that Atheism was itself a belief system and we should worry about it cuz of the ties to communism)
So am I understanding this correctly? If you bring the communal supplies asked of you but have separate supplies for your child, those separate supplies will STILL be stolen from the child and forced to share? That's wrong, period. I have no problem with buying the communal supplies and them being shared, but kids should be allowed to also have their own individual supplies if they have them.
I don’t mind doing communal school supplies, if the school is transparent about it. Butttt, the more important question/problem here is where is the taxed money going?
The military…. It receives a huge chunk of the budget every year and school funding gets cut
@@francd2981really!!? More like overseas for wars and to care for millions of illegal immigrants.
@@francd2981schools aren't funded by federal income taxes. Schools are funded by property taxes.
In my experience, it mostly goes to the school district, not the teachers themselves.
I think the concern is that their children are not getting a fair share of the resources they invested in. “Communal” is never equal or equitable; someone always gets ripped off.
Explain to me how every child getting what they need is inequitable. You’ve been brainwashed friend. Sharing IS caring
@@briy-gg8ocDo you think there aren't students who will take more than what they actually need? Did you ever have that kid in class who never had a pen, pencil, or a piece of paper and had to borrow one every single day?
it never is...people dont understand that they dont want to supply jimmy the kids who likes to lose and chew on his pencils.. then the teachers claims that my child cant have one becaue they are used up. If my kid breaks his stuff im replace it but im not replacing jimmy stuff.
Communist mindset @@briy-gg8oc
Yep. As a kid, I wouldn't want to see my beloved crayolas in the hands of crayon-snapper Johnny.
Communal supplies don't get taken care of because there's no incentive or feeling of ownership. I always shared supplies with other kids in school and I had to have my initials/name on every single pencil, gel pen, crayon, eraser, etc because other kids didn't want to give them back or might damage them. I begged my mom for specific or nicer supplies because I enjoyed them, not because "it built community" like that one woman in the video said. I'm 33 and I honestly still have pencil boxes and some other supplies I've taken care of and still used since grade school, middle school, high school, college and would re-use surplus so eventually didn't have to buy much.
Watching my niece's kindergaten school supplies get dumped into bins was astounding... there's no way they'll go through all those supplies- unless they're just getting destroyed.
Of course there’s no incentive to take care of it because it’s fucking glue sticks and pencils lol. Why should they care so deep about meaningless material items??? Wild to me. Students are there to what? Learn. Not show off expensive school supplies….
@RJ_Games0 Children who don't *learn* responsibility, accountability, and how to take care of their (and shared communal) property grow into adults who lack those skills later in life... it's not about being materialistic about products, it's about being conscientious and thoughtful about property.
@@allisonanderson5634 But that has nothing to do with responsibility. It has everything to do with what really matters at the end of the day. You can still teach them about taking care of IMPORTANT things while also teaching them to not get so attached to material possessions. I’m just saying, getting so emotional about sharing school supplies will only teach your kids how to be selfish…
As a teacher Ive tried managing supplies every way & here is why communal supplies are easier:
kids lose shit. VERY quickly. even the the responsible ones. You get them 24 pencils for the year? if they are left to manage them, In my experience, all of those pencils are gone the first week. (Only God knows where they are). Caps left off every glue stick/marker, scissors ripped apart.
Then they have no supplies to use by the end of September.
Ive recently moved to “teacher directed” model where they have one of everything (pencil/glue/scissors) in their possession. If they have it all at the end of the week, they get a sticker. They put the rest of their supplies in a big ziploc with their name that stays locked in a cabinet.
Kids are irresponsible & rash. they dont see the value of supplies. This is frustrating, but it is also important to recognize where they are with brain development.
This is a nice model and I hope it is just based on positive reinforcement with no punishment. Aside from kids being irresponsible, I had undiagnosed ADHD as a kid and continue to constantly lose and misplace things to this day as an adult who tries to be responsible because this is a symptom of ADHD that isn't cured by medication (which itself does not resolve all the symptoms of ADHD just makes it easier to manage). If positive reinforcement and a system of reminders/routine does not seem to change the pattern then it may be an indicator of another problem. I would have been relieved to have a community pool and my own designated supply kit as a kid.
In elementary school we were each given one of those plastic pencil boxes (you know the one) and we keep a glue stick, a few pencils, a few pens, our scissors, etc in it, and nothing leaves the classroom. Our teacher told us to write our names on the supplies so if someone is missing smth at the end of the day we all look for it together. If no one can find it, then our teacher dips into the classroom supplies and gives the student a "loan" piece of supply until the original is found, or the student no longer needs it. (Mostly just applies to scissors and rulers) of course this was also 3rd, 4th, and 5th grade. Younger students at the school didnt do this.
This is super smart. Teaches them to take care of their things by rewarding it! Yes kids are completely irresponsible they are NOT tiny adults. They’re still learning how to be human and developing even the concept of what responsibility and accountability are, which is exactly what this activity tries to teach.
See, that sounds like 'budgeting for kids'. They get their supplies dolled out to them at a steady rate, almost like a wage, and if they don't 'use up' or loose it all by the end of the week they get a little reward. I love that idea, because it's helpful for the kids who struggle to only have one thing to loose at a time, and it makes keeping the stuff fun instead of stressful. It doesn't sound like 'community' supplies though...you've got each kid's bag set aside so that if there's anything left at the end of the year they can take it home, and if the parents bought them special left-handed scissors or themed pencils, they get to use *those* special items, not random ones they don't care about. A sense of personal property probably makes the kids more responsible with stuff they consider 'theirs' too. This sounds like a great way to handle the situation, and it lets you easily keep track of which students are running low call individual parents to let them know they need to get more.
Out of curiosity, what's the reason there isn't a supply fund to centrally source all of this stuff? What's needed is known in advance, as is the cost, etc. Doesn't it make sense to just order everything centrally, have it delivered and distributed to all the classrooms as needed? Then it's all ready and waiting on day one.
Plus, a bulk discount should help that fund go further. Or directly benefit the parents, if they're to be the source of that money.
Speaking as a parent of two, the school supplly list has increased tremendously over time. Not only do they want notebooks, pencils and crayons they want sanitizer, paper towels, erasers , copy paper and much more! It's out of control
I dont know...that sounds the same as when I was in elementary school, and I'm near thirty now. I was excited to pick out the tissue box in particular every year lol
I totally agree with you on this one every year it seems they add more to there list😮💨🥺and we out here struggling with rent. Welcome to 2024
I'm 40 this year, and even when I was in elementary we had to supply a set amount of tissues, wipes, construction and copy papers for the classroom. That's nothing new. If it was common to have sanitizer back then like it is now, we'd have had to send them in too. Paper towels/toilet paper, etc should be provided by the schools themselves, not the parents or teachers.
My biggest issue with the community stuff was the germ factor. I dont want every kid's snotty, grubby hands in the same box making the whole classroom sick. My kids were only sick during the school year.
School supplies should be paid for with tax dollars. My mom is a teacher and she has to buy supplies for her class out of pocket and it’s NOT tax deductible! If they can send all our tax money to other countries the least they could do is cover school supply expenses🙄 I but my kids school supplies and have never complained but this is what I feel inside.
Not wrong. Our tax dollars dont go to the right things.
Supplies are tax deductible for full time teachers, the amount comes of their taxable income to reduce taxable income.
It is tax deductible up to $300.
This shouldn’t be an argument. It’s should be simple buy the community supplies if you can afford it and have your special theme ones in your child’s bag for their personal use. The class gets supplies and your child gets the ones they wanted.
boom🎉 people are just stingy and hateful now, they cannot BARE that another child thats not theirs may have access to their precious baby's special PENCILS
Yes! I was talking about this to my husband. I understand where the teachers are coming from, as a teacher myself these supplies should not be coming out of their paychecks when the school should definitely provide it, but I also get why parents are upset over buying the supplies and then finding out they’re all just being thrown into one bin. That never happened when I went to school.
I want to buy my child the supplies she wants when the time comes and honestly I don’t want her to share them BUT I would also take her along to get multiple supplies for the classroom because we can afford that. Hell I’d buy a set of everything for her whole classroom if needed or specified on the welcome letter/email
This is soooo inefficient. Having millions of parents running to Walmart for one pack of pencils, one pack of crayons...
If your country/state is too poor to pay for schools supplies and you have to uave parents to chip in, have a fixed amount that every parents needs to cough up and have the teacher buy 10 packs of pencils that THEY see fit for their classroom. They'll be getting bulk rebates as well.
Kids stop having communal school supplies once they get to an age where they can be blamed for not bringing a pencil to class. a 6 year old isn't keeping track of anything
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Yeah I'm so confused by this😅 I thought it was always like this? We brought our own stuff...our own binders, notebooks, etc 😅
@@ewidontlikeyoume too! I remember being in class and turning in school supplies into big bins. I never had a problem with it as a k-5 grader
@@nataliet4293 Stop retarding them as they are capable. It's disgusting how these adults advocate for prolonging childhood.
Doesn't it just stay in their desk? That is what I remembered. I think we had communal glue sticks and stuff that didn't get used very often, but for everyday stuff it stayed with us. Also what is happening to all the supplies when the year is over? do the teachers just throw it away? You know those scissors are still good. Pencils don't go bad. Sure stuff goes bad eventually, but I survived college without buying new supplies every year.
People need to make the birth rate decline more. They can’t afford children. I ordered boxes of masks and cases of water for my son’s school. I sent communal shit 4x a year to my son’s school and they couldn’t even take the time to punish the bullies that jumped him.
I keep my son home when he’s sick and then get threatened when it’s longer than 3 days but if I send him with the sniffles, it’s a problem.
People can afford kids. They just live out side their means…And plan for kids
Birth rate is currently really low, it's hasn't been this low since 1979.
@@Stumblingthroughlifeit needs to get lower
@@bgos4727 period
@@bgos4727You say that until you’re an old and/or disabled person without proper nurses or aides to help you due to the lack of personnel. Not to mention other industries vital to keep society going. Society needs new generations to keep life going. Don’t believe me, look at Japan, South Korea and China right now. They are starting to see what life is like when their death rates are higher than their birth rates
I was in elementary school/middle school around 2008-2012ish (can’t remember exactly) and my teachers never took our stuff our parents bought for us personally and put it in a communal bin. Each student got a list of school supplies for their personal use, and our parents bought the stuff on that list for our PERSONAL use. Not for communal use at all, and it was not required for us to give it to the teacher or share.
If I was a first time parent buying school supplies, I would be mad if my items personalized Frozen/Pokemon/etc pencils were in the community bin. I looked it up: The cheapest pencil is $0.97, but the Disney ones are $7.99. That is a BIG difference. They should be letting parents know what the child is going to be keeping for themselves and what is going to a community bin. My cousin is a teacher, and if my kid was in her classroom, I would NOT be donating to a community bin. These kids don’t care. She had a bunch of community pencils on her desk and some girl took them ALL. When my cousin wasn’t looking, the girl snatched the pencils that were rubber band together so for the rest of the week no kids had pencils unless they had their own. The girl got caught a week later as she was packing up to go, my cousin saw the roll of rubber band pencils in the girls backpack. All she got was a “sorry. Haha.” She talks about how destructive the kids are now. These kids come to school with nothing. No pencil or paper. So she has/had community items, but the kids weren't returning the pencils or they are coming back broken. So she started taking a personal item in exchange. You want a pencil? Im going to need that left shoe.
Your child's personalized items would be theirs to remain in their bookbag or desk. The items on the supply list are usually brand specific, and that is what would be communal. You would buy the $0.79 pencil for the communal box and the $7.99 pencils for your kid's bookbag.
@@TomikaKellyyou clearly didn’t listen to the parents or video. There are no personalized items that they keep. They scratch off/tear off names and dump it in a bin. They don’t get to keep their supplies. Reading and listening comprehension is at an all time low, my god!
Its not even the communal. The supplies they want have gotten so specific it is size, brand, colors. Material, and model. For example Crayola only supplies not just that but specifically the ultra washable crayola markers, 3 pack large Elmers glue stick disappearing purple, you want to share fine. But you need to stop being choosy about brands and exact models.
"Go tell sexyy red to pick you up and get some stuff for your kid for school" 😂😂😂
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I'm not ok with the school (not the teacher) not providing anything. What are they spending the per child budget on? The problem with communal supplies is they don't all get used and end up in a closet somewhere.
This is also a major issue. When I was new I'd go around to all the classrooms where teachers just retired and grab supplies. Veteran teachers ALWAYS have supplies. I've inherited 4 giant bins of scissors and yet there are teachers asking kids to go buy scissors. DON'T BUY SCISSORS. THEY EXIST IN THE SCHOOL BUILDING.
@@annbui2045We'd have bottles of germx at our tables with names we recognized from classmates' siblings who were like 5 years older than us
Yes that sounds so annoying, so the school doesnt do a good job keeping track of supplies they already have
It’s not the school. It’s a state issue. School’s funding is entirely dependent on the property tax rate of its zoned district. So wealthy students automatically get a better experience if they attend public schools and poor students get the opposite. And much of the funding for poorer Title I schools go to repairs, salaries, and other basics before ever even dipping a toe into things that directly affect students. The state has to go in to fix that issue, it’s not on the individual schools.
I don't even have kids, and I think taking supplies away from one kid to give it to another is insane. You bought those supplies with your own money, and your kid can't use it? BS. Schools should be supplying this crap, not the teachers, not the parents, THE SCHOOL. Imagine if they took kids toys, or their jackets, because little Billy's mom didn't buy him any. Absolutely not.
Exactly. Communal and personal supplies should be SEPERATE. In my experience I would have my own supplies, plus my parents would bring communal supplies for the teachers. It is unfair to have somthing you bought just enough of for your child, to be taken. (We aren't wealthy and we were in debt.)
My daughter's last school asked for $20/child and they bought the supplies themselves. It was less stressful than looking for supplies. All I had to do was find the backpack & water bottle she wanted. 🤷🏾♀️
This makes the most sense!! They can get much better prices buying in bulk!
Omg I would love that
This sounds amazing but, there would be parents that still couldn't manage that fee, particularly parents of multiples and especially parents who rely on school drives. Also, collecting money in some school districts is a very cumbersome process.
I don’t have children BUT i see both sides. I think parents should stick to getting their children personalized items like backpacks, lunchbox, bottles. The other stuff can be basic brands and know it’s communal. I know the more expensive brands are better quality but the purpose is still the same, to write, draw, or color. I think we’re unintentionally teaching children to value the wrong things. Like the one lady suggested, keep the nicer stuff at home.
Why should I have to double pay for schools? They already have communal taxes.
As a teacher I personally do a mix between individual property and community suplies. Personally all the notebooks and folders are individual or their pencil cases sissor etc but stuff like crayons or glue or other like crafting suplies it is going to be communall but I will always write on my list what is going to be shared and what is individual and I am thankful if my parents label these supplies that way it is easier for me if there is stuff laying around
I'm from the uk and I'm so confuzzled. Why is the school not providing this, isnt this the WHOLE point of taxes
Our schools are funded by property taxes and people in America despise paying more in taxes.
@@dismurrart6648American taxes are already ridiculous. Where's all that money going?!
@@233kosta most likely the military and lining the government’s pockets 😒
@@233kostaElected Officials Pockets
@@dirtxpert9930 At that point I'd rather just go back to Bulgaria. At least here it's actually illegal to bribe politicians.
Teachers should not be expected to pay for school supplies, ever, and this is part of why they are quitting by the thousands. I don't understand why the schools themselves and parents are making the teachers responsible for this. There are parents who buy individual supplies and parents that don't buy their kids anything, so what are teachers supposed to do? The teachers do communal supplies to try to resolve this issue. Parents need to focus the pressure on the administration, not the teachers.
Edit: I want to add that younger children will share their supplies anyway, but I do understand wanting to ensure that your own kids at least have the things they need. There are kids that don't care at all about the communal supplies and will break all the pencils and rip up the notebooks. Schools should supply basic supplies while parents can buy their kids things if they want the cute and fancy stuff.
I think certain school supplies could be communal, mostly writing and coloring tools and glue. But things like folders, notebooks, pencil bags should be personal. I also think that some supplies should be labeled on the list to say which will be used for communal and which will be strictly personal. I think that would make things easier.
Sharing is one thing but some people purposely dont buy supplies and expect their kid to be take care of. It is the sense of accountability and i wont be taking care of someones kid of that parent is being irresponsible
I doubt anyone thinks that…
@@socalbarbie1040A lot of people are like that, unfortunately. The argument is usually because it’s a public school, families shouldn’t have to send their child with anything. Everything is to be provided.
I would have no issue buying some extra supplies for the purpose of putting in communal bins if I was asked by the teacher in advance, but I absolutely would not tolerate having the personalised/pricier items I buy for my kids personal use taken from them. I think people have created a false dichotomy in this situation of either A) “everyone should share everything and if you don’t you’re greedy and selfish” or B) “I don’t want to provide for anyone’s kid except mine” when actually it’s absolutely possible to both want to contribute to the communal supplies AND want their kids to be able to have their own items separate from the communal bins that they don’t need to share if they don’t want to. Obviously teaching to share is always a good lesson to learn, but I think that can be taught in other situations, like shopping with them to get those extra supplies for their classmates after they had picked out their own items for their own use and getting them excited to give these extra supplies like they’re giving gifts to the other kids. That being said I think there is definitely a point there about the burden being shifted onto the teachers and parents to get the supplies rather than the higher ups in the school.
True-plus, at least from my experience, not everything on the list is communal. Pencils, dry erase markers, glue sticks are, but folders, notebooks, and binders never are. The things that are actually personal and aesthetic, my kids got to keep.
@@lynne7460 oh yeah I agree that it definitely can depend on what the item in question is, though I wouldn’t say that the items you listed are always interchangeable. Just from personal experience in my childhood I remember these coloured glue sticks, pink or green were the most common (they didn’t actually transfer the colour onto the paper when used but they looked very cool in comparison to the bog standard white versions and you know how kids can get about that kind of thing). I was super excited when my mum agreed to get a pink one for me. If I had been forced to put it in a communal bin then I would have been crushed, not to mention that I would never have the chance to use it since all the other kids would likely pick it since it looks cool, so it’d be whoever got there first who got to use it etc. Idk I don’t think communal bins are a super common concept in the UK, it wasn’t a thing in my school at least, any surplus supplies were provided by the school (though it may be a thing in other schools, especially those in less affluent areas) so I’m not really familiar with how it works in practice. Tbh tho it sounds from the various clips of teachers here that it works differently depending on the teacher, so it’s hard to make broad judgements.
The more personalized ones aren't the ones meant for sharing. The issue is parents don't want to buy anything EXTRA for the communal supplies. These parents don't want to spend the extra 70¢ for a pack of basic pencils after buying the $4 pony printed pencils.
Not everything is automatically shared
@@Sebastian-Draegon Ah I see, I think some teachers definitely do take some personalised supplies though because there’s that one clip in this video (at 2:12 I think) where a teacher is going “hey parents look at where the supplies with your child’s name goes” and then she pulls out the communal bin and goes on to say that if the child needs a glue stick she’s not rifling around to find one with the child’s name and just gives them a random one, which (at least to me) implies that she puts all supplies in the communal bins even personalised ones. There are some other clips talking about named items in communal bins that suggest this too. Idk like I said this system isn’t one I’m familiar with so that might not be the norm of how this system is run, but that was just my impression from how the teacher was explaining it so I made my comment based on that.
I'm with you, plus I feel like if you're forcing a kid to share their own stuff, you're not really teaching them true sharing, I'd be worried I'd make them resentful and more resistant to sharing when they actually have a choice in the future
I'm not sending my kid to public school for many reasons but this just confirms that public school isn't right for our family. I cannot imagine spending so much money on supplies for my child, getting the things he likes/wants, and having them redistributed to everyone.
Most communal supplies are brand specific. The Ticonderoga pencils you bought for your son would go in the communal box, but the special Superman pencils would be his to keep in his desk of bookbag.
@@TomikaKelly I know, but the point is I wouldn't be able to afford to get him the things he likes and contribute to the communal school supply box. It's great that they have it for the kids whose parents cannot be bothered to get their kids all the supplies they need for school.
@@-Ramelie- but why waste the money on the 4$ superman pencils, why does everything have to be super expensive and super personalized when it's going to be used up, lost, or broken?
Backpacks, lunchbox, aren't the same as pencils, glue and markers.
@@AdaireKrickets I never said I was going to buy everything super expensive or personalized. Just that I wouldn't be able to get everything he would need and contribute to the communal school supplies. By the ones he wants, I do however mean the backpack and pencil case though. If you want to buy your kids the super cheap supplies from temu go ahead. I'm not getting the most expensive ones, just the good quality ones hopefully for a decent price
Translation at 24:41: basically she said that “America has sucked us dryyyyyyyy on taxes and constantly having to work”
Thank you for the translation!
Mom of 4 here. I’ve known for years now that certain items are definitely shared in the classroom such as pens, erasers, crayons, colored pencils, paper, wipes, dry erase markers and hand sanitizer. Their notebooks, pencil cases and folders I for the most part are not shared. It doesn’t bother me. Half way through the school year they tell us what items they need more of and most parents will help out. I help because I I want all kids to be successful not just mine.
"I help because I want all kids to be successful not just mine."
I hosted a huge back to school drive that benefitted my local community. I encouraged my family, friends, employer, etc to donate. I even had an essay contest where the winner was awarded a laptop. The crazy part is: I'm childfree. I just want my neighbor's kids to prosper.
So when I was in school, we bought a hundred percent of all our school supplies. I think it's pretty audacious to ask parents to purchase school supplies for other peoples children. Teachers shouldn't be buying their own supplies for their classrooms either, especially when schools get funding via tax dollars. Something sounds fishy.
If you use 12 pencils a year, what difference does it make if it gets put in a communal bin or gets stored in your desk? It's not "for other kids," it's still a dozen, and you USED a dozen, so what is being used by other kids? Are you counting each pencil and keeping a spreadsheet??
@@Because-rt8qs When your writing utensils get broken, chewed up, or straight up stolen, you do in fact keep track. Both of the supplies themselves and those who are not to be trusted.
The only problem I have with communal sharing is germs spreading from one kid to another if you're going to do communal sharing I suggest that you should try at least sanitizing supplies once a week cuz you never know with little kids. 🤷🏽♀️
Grandma here. My daughter and I buy school supplies for her children, then we buy extra for their classmates. There is also a wish list for the teachers. I also belong to a church organization that adopts the schools in our county and we collect and donate to every school. I am always on the lookout for sales and just buy things when I see them, that way I can help someone else.
Our child school had a flat fee for school supplies and they bought them in bulk. It was great. You didn’t have to shop for anything at all. It was a very reasonable price.
Makes sense teachers get a discount and schools can use them as a tax write off while also buying in bulk. Parents have to rely on sales and cannot tax write off it.
I grew up in the late 90s in a small town in Russia, very poor. Only my mother worked. I also had an elder sister who went to university (free, no tuition, but also required expenses). We sometimes didn't have money for bread, and somehow, I always had school supplies, my own. My parents figured it out. I don't remember having anything communal like that. I had my own pens, pencils, notebooks, book holders, etc. And I remember how excited I was at the beginning of a school year to get my new school stuff, picking my own notebooks with celebrities I liked pictured on them. Didn't have much, but I had that. I think it's important to have your own stuff, and I'm pretty sure it's possible to figure it out and get your children these things here in America.
I ended my education in Poland like two years ago and I NEVER had to share my stuff with other kids... Maybe its just European/Slavic stuff idk but its wild in America couse I don't know a person (in Poland) who would buy things for the teachers unless it was like christmas ect or buy stuff so other kids can use it... 😅😂 We are all like "buy your own stuff or your kids will have to ask someone to share their supplies with them for a lesson"
I’m Hispanic and had a really similar experience. I went to 4 different schools and any of them was expensive. However, every child had his/her own supplies. We carried our own supplies in our backpacks everyday. I used the same supplies at school and at home. It was my stuff that my parents bought for me at the beginning of the school year. I picked every single notebook and I had to take care of my belongings every day. I think it’s important to learn how to take care of your stuff.
@@kamilablack3255 that’s probably because Poland doesn’t spend almost a trillion $ (or over that by now) on their military, which would leave money for schools and their supplies….
Yes it’s possible. Eastern European culture are hard workers and not freeloaders something that is pandered in the USA.
The whole school was communal…
I'm going to be honest. Kids are expensive. I do not care about your religious views or moral view. At the end of the day, kids cost A LOT of money. Having children IS a privilege, not a right. In essence, if you can not afford to raise and pay for your child, you shouldn't have one. Outside of putting pressure on society to help care for your child, you're also alienating your child in certain ways when they go to school and wee that they're picking out of a community box. I remember being in elementary school, and my mom refused to buy 13 boxes of tissues . My teacher pulled me to the side and asked if everything was okay and why I didn't bring the tissues. I said my mom didn't want to buy them because she saw that specific thing on the list as unnecessary, especially because I'm not using 13 boxes of tissues. She implied that I should "force my mom to buy them because sharing is caring." As I am now grown, my mom was right, 13 boxes of tissues are insane
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Terrible teacher to try and guilt trip a child. Atleast you learned the downfalls of socialism early!
“A Privilege” whew 😮💨 that’s definitely subjective 😂 waking up at 3am to the sounds of crying and smell off poop don’t seem much of a privilege to many
@@seleciaalmfaooo what your teacher said is hilarious especially me picturing it in my mind😂😂😂😂
I 10000% agree with you
Teacher of 27 years here (currently 3rd grade)...
I always buy supplies for students... ALL SUPPLIES. If I have the opportunity to tell parents before they buy it, I do. When students bring in supplies, I keep the tissues, hand sanitizer, disinfecting wipes, and I send everything else back home for homework. I supply everything else (Ticonderoga Laddies, Pentel white plastic erasers, Crayola large crayons, Expo markers, Elmer glue sticks, Fiskars scissors, composition books, spiral notebooks, homework folders, etc) ALL OF IT! So many of my students tell me "I couldn't do my homework because I didn't have _______." Thousands of dollars of my money is spent on my students every year because I want to make it easier for me. Communal supply lists are great for many, but too stressful for me to manage 20 students who want "their stuff". I don't have the storage space, nor the time to manage it all. Everyone gets the same. If they lose it, etc., sure, they need to replace it if I don't have any more. As far as items getting destroyed intentionally, I warn my students they need to respect what I give them. If not, it all goes home with me and they get only what the school provides for them. My classroom rug, decor, book bins, supplemental materials, school supplies... everything that I have purchased gets packed up and moved out. I have done it 3 years in a row after my class was destroyed when I had substitutes. My classroom is my office and a space I share with 20(+) children who are not mine. I will teach them to respect my things, my space, our class, me, themselves, and each other.
This would all be solved if the tax money was actually spent on education, not lining the pockets of corrupt board members and relying on teachers stealing from children. Abhorrent. A symptom of the disease of capitalism.
We were shocked the first time a teacher told us not to label our son’s school supply. But then she explained that some parents are struggling more than others even though we’re in the same community. So. Is we buy a few extras when we can. School is meant to be the great equalizer but it’s far from that. Do what you can for others, because you never know when you might just be grateful that those supplies are available to everyone.
Exactly it’s tragic some peoples views! I know if they were struggling and someone else bought their kid school supplies h the ey would be thankful. However when it comes to them they don’t wanna do it. If they don’t have the money that’s understandable but you know half of these ppl on TikTok were just on vacation and living it up.
I’m not against helping others. Trust me I’m a daughter of immigrants. But… isn’t that what public school is supposed to be? Isnt that why we pay taxes?
@@pearlivory3483 I think we should point at the situation we’re in and not the bigger picture that we know can’t be changed easily. It’s like when someone is figuring out ways to help homeless drug addicts and someone says “Well there shouldn’t be any drugs on the street anyways” or “The government should be helping” yes that’s true…. but it doesn’t fix the issue we have right now lol
Of course we should work towards fixing the bigger issue, but that could take years or lifetimes and also no one is offering solutions. It’s like another form of being a part of the discussion without actually contributing to the cause.
Former ECLC assistant teacher/day care worker who worked up until early summer COVID times: ...my goodness the audacity some of the older children would have. When I was growing up (elder millenial here), I was taught to respect other people's things, ESPECIALLY items that belonged to my daycare/school like toys/games etc. The older children I taught came from mostly richer areas, aka some of these brats already had brand new Iphones by the time they were 8. Said 8 year olds were completely OK with destroying school property like board games, coloring supplies, heck even ripping LIBRARY BOOKS with no remorse for their actions. It was insane. What made it even worse were the parents who just didn't give a sh!t and allowed their behaviors to continue. Was very happy with my former preschoolers, however, as we created a very caring learning environment that helped them understand respecting boundaries/people's things. But the older kids? Willy Wonka would have a field day let's just put it at that lol. I also won't be surprised once said alpha's go into adulthood and they get slapped with really frightening realities.
A child going without school supplies is not a “lesson” about life not being fair.
Life not being fair is a lesson learned when you want something difficult to obtain, not basic necessities for a child who wont comprehend anything beyond the fact that they were excluded from having materials to learn. Save that lesson for another time. To shrug it off as “well thats a lesson the kids going to learn!” No, thats not a lesson. Theres so much lack of kindness in that statement.
I’m a teacher and I have never had communal supplies. However, I don’t use my money anymore for supplies either.
It’s just nasty. You wonder why the whole classroom is sick? This is it. Divide it up and keep it in their desk. Everyone chips in and we’re all okay. Hold your state representatives, county reps accountable for the budget if you dont like it.
Thank you. Its very nasty because of the germs and they wonder why their kids stay sick. Makes sense. They're all sharing everything.
It also teaches children responsibility. If children aren't guided to organize,categorize, and put things away, they don't learn those skills. We had zipper pencil bags and hard cases. Had to keep the glue, scissors,stapler (yes, I'm old) in the hard case and pencils & crayons in the pencil bags. We learned to take care of our supplies. Lost the blue crayon? Ask someone to share our go without. I'm with you. Communal bins are gross and LAZY. Just like so many adults today.
@@itsallperfectlynormal9805That also teaches children how to function in a real community. In a community if you need to borrow something you need to ask and return it to remain in good standing in your community.
Huh? You never share crayons and textbooks? Are you serious right now?
@@ThatGirlJDRight
I was as broke as they come in the 90’s and absolutely hated having to get “communal” school supplies. It’s such a burden on top of everything else you are having to buy at the time. But, I didn’t want my children singled out as the “poor kids” so I had to make super tough sacrifices that were so impossible. Thank god for the groups who donated supplies in backpacks!!!!
I can understand both sides. I think both sides should respect each other’s boundaries. There are parents that are generous enough to buy school supplies for the class to share. But that doesn’t mean take a vantage of it. Some of these parents are germ-phobia and they don’t want their kids catching a disease. So it’s understandable why they were label it. At the end of the day, just respect one another’s boundaries.
im 21 now but when i was in school, the school/grade teacher gave us a list of school supplies we needed. one section was standard school supplies that we need for our personal use and then you had to buy a couple of EXTRA things for the communal supplies, but my teachers never took my personal supplies away from me to use as communal supplies, i think that's fked up. the school needs to give them those supplies and the govt needs to fix it.
To people that say, "Why don't you want other children to have supplies?" Well, to that I'd day. I would rather give real charity and generosity to a child that dose not have much on my own,than be forced to give charity to parents that don't prioritize their children. Also, it creates a dependentcy on people that are responsible and encourages laziness from people that don't care to provide or contribute. Simply put its the principle of the thing. If parents really can't afford it there should be a fund set in place that comes from the school not other parents pocket books.
Why am I paying taxes for education if it doesn’t pay for the “communal” school supplies???
I wondered this too, but I can’t imagine what it costs just to keep the lights on, pay the teachers, janitorial probably needs a steady budget for cleaning supplies, floors and playground equipment need repairs,some want bullet proof doors& camera systems, breakfast & lunches for food insecure kids.
Yes, we pay taxes but are we advocating enough to make sure they get their fair share? Or are we more focused on the economy, the never ending wars, and social justice for marginalized groups? The kids and teachers get lost, unless it’s a debate about dress codes, banned books, 🔫 control.
Youve wondered and cant imagine? School budgets are public. You dont have to wonder or imagine. You can look it up 🙄 @@tyturner7110
I don’t remember my parents buying from a list when I was in middle school. We bought one folder per class, writing material and paper. Some notebooks here and there and that’s all. My sister has 2 children and has spent about $600 in these damn school lists this year alone!!! Outrageous!
Wait what... 600😭
One last thing! What about tryjng not to spread germs! If every child has there own tools and supplies than their germs are that much more contained. Covid out break? Pink eye? No problem, whole class dose not get sick beacue they wernt all dipping their hands into a communal germ factory!
It's one thing to want communal supplies, but it's another to make parents purchase them and then refuse to allow said parents to buy their own kids supplies for their use only.
I've seen stories from parents where teachers won't allow parents to have their kids come to school with personal supplies - as in, even though said parent actually bought the communal supplies in additional to ones for their kid specifically to use. There have been cases told where teachers actually took the kid's personal stuff and gave them to other kids.
Never mind the fact that the parents had already contributed the requested communal stuff.
One of the fun parts of going back to school that I remember was getting to go and pick out all the (personal) supplies I wanted to use for the next year -
It's not about not sharing with the other kids, but there is something wrong about taking things kids specifically picked out under the assumption they got to use them only to turn around and give it to Tommy or Suzy.
It's not about not wanting to share -
Why should the kids be forced to share when their parents already provided the communal items?
also to add -
My mom was a K12 teacher for a good majority of her life. This was in a time before communal supplies were a thing - so, yes, she ended up having to purchase a lot of basics that were needed for her classroom.
I don't know about forcing kids to share what their parents bought them for individual use but my first thought about forbidding individual use items is an effort to prevent bullying and theft. You would be amazed what kids are bullied for and poverty is one of them - - kids whose parents could not afford brand name items or "fancy" /trendy things would absolutely be singled out by other kids who were better off and made fun of, kids invent a hierarchy over everything and anything and it then leads to conflict and things getting stolen or broken out of desperation to fit in or out of retaliation. Even uniform policies to some extent can help kids if they might otherwise be bullied for not having the coolest shoes or wearing fashionable clothes - - seriously this is an aspect of preventing problems. But instead of taking from kids who have it to basically punish them for bringing it and give it to everyone else it should be the case that the teacher or school makes a list of which supplies (and brands) are acceptable and tries to select the cheapest and most common options to regulate what people bring in and prevent a discrepancy between students of different income levels.
@mensesmimi
Ah yes buy this expensive uniform or your child cannot come to school, what's that you can't afford to buy 3 brand new shirts with the school logo?
Check goodwill they might have some that are 2 sizes to big for your child.
No that won't lead to bullying at all.... -_-
But it sounds like you already know that school supplies are 100% communal before your child attends the school. Personalize individual items like your kids lunchbox, bookbag, etc but allow the supplies to be communal.
@TomikaKelly
I just can't wrap my head around spending 7.99$ on a pack of pencils and trusting your child to travel with them.
Your child is going to lose them, no matter how responsible you think they are. Keep that stuff at home for homework! Send the 79c pencils to school.
@@mensesmimithe bullying and theft is awful, but kids have to lesrn that they are not always going to get what they want in life. You'll hit points in your life where you might not get to have the best things and you'll have to get what you can afford and what will work. It's a hard lesson to learn, but too bad. I didn't always get the nicest school supplies as a kid. I always wanted the Five Star zipper trapper keeper as a kid, but my parents couldn't afford it for me. I had to wait until college when I got a job to get one. But I survived just fine without it. We should teach kids not to be assholes and teach them that life isn't always fair at times and you have to make due with what you got. And to be grateful for what the community gives and take care of shared things.
Here's my beef: I am a stay at home parent to 3 children. We are an active-duty family, my husband doesn't bring in big money. BUT, we budget wisely to pay our bills, save for our future & save for our childrens' future. We sacrifice entertainment & going out to do so, our cars are 10+ years old. We live below our means.
That said, we buy the entire list & donate supplies to local supply drives in addition to extra supplies & snacks to the school. The PTA will cover supplies for a family who reaches out and says they cannot.
The amount of times I've encountered people who put themselves first (nails, new sneakers, newest iPhone, etc) & then complained they couldn't buy supplies- and the amount of parents I've heard bragging "why would I buy the list when I can get it free?"
I stopped. Students in my son's class whose parents wouldn't send a snack because they knew the school would hand one out. I stopped putting us out in the spirit of giving while others who *can* choose not to.
It's hard to articulate, but it's infuriating. School supplies for one child is less than a doordash order. I buy my kids' lists and no more. I'll reach out to the teacher in December if they need anything for the classroom.
Further, you should pull up your local school's supply lists- they're usually posted on the school's website.
The list themselves are for communal amounts. There are the obvious supplies you'd want to put in your child's pencil box- but most lists, including ours has bulk amounts. Example:
100 pencils
3 reams of printer paper
5 packs of lined paper
3 boxes of tissues
2 boxes of ziploc bags
10 highlighters
10 dry-erase markers
3 Clorox wipes tubs
1 gallon hand sanitizer
$10 check made out to the school
3 boxes of crayons
I'll buy it, but there will be many who won't- and if more did, the amounts would likely not be so high.
Same. Military spouse, 3 children, and went without to donate. If they wanted their folder color to match their composition notebook, the ones sold for nickels, don't take that from them. Then these other parents are spending ridiculous things that I'd never waste my money on because I budget.
Soooo….you don’t go to the free school supply drive they have on base? I took my granddaughter to the one they had on Fort Bragg (Fort Liberty 🙄 now). I used to take my kids to the ones on base in the Virginia Beach area. They have them, you need to look for them. She got a really nice book bag and all. I took her to 5 more within the community.
@@arleneaugustahair8393Rolling your eyes at the name change? You love slavery as a black woman?
A remember this communal supplies. Parents bought me nice staff and I never got a chance to use them. I always got some cheap stuff from this bucket.
So I would definitely against it when my kid go to school
I think that last person perfectly summed up so many people in society today… they want to benefit from the community but they don’t want to co tribute to it. So many people have that belief, of every person for themself, with no concept of how much they actually benefit from the community and society, despite how individualistic they claim to be. It’s massive selfishness. We saw it during the pandemic, it became so apparent.
I also love the other person who was so right… half the population is voting in people who are slashing education budgets. It goes back to what I said above… people want lower taxes, they don’t want to contribute, but they want to reap the benefits. Well, those benefits come at a cost, so why shouldn’t you pay??
I’ll answer your last question because we’re already paying… Taxes are already being used to pay teachers a school board and systems that aren’t using that money appropriately. A lot of families can’t even afford what little they do bring but parents are making it happen regardless so it is 1000% understandable that they want to preserve those supplies throughout the year for their child. After a few months of school when all that communal ish causes their children not to have any supplies who is gonna be responsible for going to get more? Those parents. Teachers need to help kids be more responsible with their supplies at school and parents need to be teaching that at home and anything extra that schools need for students anything communal should be provided by the community organization they are all participating in aka the school
You sound like someone who never contributes. Those of us that do contribute are tired of constantly contributing every month throughout the school year. My nephew didn't use hundreds of pencils or dozens of notebooks. Yet that's what I had to keep buying to contribute to the community bin. I don't mind buying an extra notebook or two or an extra pack of pencils. But based on what I was buying it seemed like out of the 32 kids in class me and one other parent were contributing. 30 were mooching. That's not a community. That's a parasite colony.
@@VictoriaInamorati1 Yeah, I’m a nurse who works full time with people living on the streets of my city. I don’t contribute anything. If that makes you feel better for your selfishness.
Also… you’re arguing with strangers on the internet about paying an extra $20 on school supplies, which you can obviously afford. You’re one of the most privileged people on the planet and you’re arguing with people about it? Give your head a shake. Go help people who are less fortunate than you. Believe me, there’s many of them out there. And they’re all kinder people than you.
@@VictoriaInamorati1 YES! This is how it was the first year schools switched to communal bins when my little brother hit elementary. My class was the last year of individual supplies where we grew up. The few end up responsible for the many in a society where "they many" are the ones actually not contributing to the society much or at all.