She says "You don't know what happened," implying that she DOES. And when he said "pure blasphemy," she responded with that unhinged laughter...ugh...a shiver went up my spine. Repulsive and evil are inadequate to describe this...THING they keep calling a "mom."
The first time I heard that, the whole atmosphere changed. Dark. Sinister. Demonic. She double talks, avoids, gaslights, deflects, & circle talks- Classic textbook cluster B personality disorders: antisocial, borderline, histrionic, and narcissistic. In part, histrionic PD happens as a result of being brought up with little to no discipline, never being held accountable for one’s own behavior… IMO, her parents were enablers.
The fact that she keeps saying “you don’ know what happened” but refuses to tell what happened proves she knows what happened and she knows it was wrong. I never want to hear this wicked woman’s name again. She is evil.
Not alot of people talk about how Charles tried to stop his murder and also the kids murders.... And wasn't listened to ...i find that incredibly sad...
Charles 's sister and children need to sue the city 😮that ignore his complaint and fear that Lori was planning on killing him and possibly the children. He was not taken serious and the police thought he was the crazy one. The Police needs to be held accountable so this doesn't happen again and cause the deaths of so many people.❤
Lori thinks she did Tylee, JJ, Charles, Tammy and Joe Ryan a tremendous service by killing them and putting them out of their misery. Yet their misery was created by her and invented by her.
@rickyanthony The debate is likely because the implications for both words are very different. 'ex' and 'late' don't mean the same thing, due to the implication behind the words. 'ex' would mean they broke up or divorced (and were alive at the time; if you devorce someone and they die any time after that, they are just 'ex wife' or 'late ex wife'). 'Late' indicating the relationship was ongoing when they passed away. It's also a polite way to reference someone who died (as in the above example 'late ex wife). In this case, Tammy and Chad were married at the time of her murder, so saying 'ex wife' is inaccurate and is disrespectful to the victim. I'm not sure if you got your answer from anyone else earlier, but if you didn't, I hope this helps.
I don't know how a mother, on trial for murdering her children, can sit in a courtroom and smile like a Cheshire cat without shedding so much as a tear for those kids. I don't know what effect this so-called cult has had in creating this monster we are seeing, but they need to lock her up and throw away the key.
Loopy Lori dory was told to smile and act crazy to ensure an alibi .her lawyer knows she did it .but he told loopy Lori to act nuts so she will have a chance to get away with it.
This story has gotten more crazy the more I stayed silent. People like this are only food for the real demons. The children would've been better of with the state sad to say!
100%! If you want to know the truth about the type of people who are constantly lying and manipulating others? Just pay attention to what they accuse others of. More often than not with these types, they’re projecting and while lying about others, they’re actually telling on themselves.
Lori was crazy and mental at the same time. This doesn't happen over night. Adam told the Mother that she should intervene because of Lori's thinking and what she was saying. Mental illness is an illness, even though some choose not to accept it. “Crazy” has been a word to portray those who suffer with mental illness as dangerous, weak, unpredictable, unproductive and incapable of rational behavior or relationships. It is a word used without any serious thought or consideration.
She keeps saying to her son "you don't know what happened" but yet she won't say what happened. Consciousness of guilt. She NEVER says what happened. She just talks around it. That convinced me.
Seeing the cases with Lori Vallow and Leticia Stauch so close together, it really highlights the similarities of how pathological liars/sociopaths communicate among other behaviours. Hopefully many people following these cases and trials will be better able to spot the tell tale signs, ways they communicate and other red flags and RUN!
Everyone sz that. But no one is thinking it through. Now I firmly believe in her guilt. But let's be real. She know her calls are being recorded! Everything she dz on the phone -- except to her lawyers -- is essentially being said to the police. And you know what all lawyers say about talking to the police. Not one of these phone calls is the least bit incriminating. But a lot of other evidence is. I have to wonder if these legal commentators believe what they're saying.
The conversation between Lori and her son is textbook Narcissistic word salad. She won't give him a straight answer, she keeps dancing around answering him straight. They purposely wear out their victim so they get SO exasperated and give up asking for an answer to their question.
Phone calls with Chad, Colby, and summer were damaging but text messages nailed the guilty coffins by Lori herself! Those two evidences showed that she was not insane but very sane, conniving, and munipulative. Next guilty coffin to nail is Chad in his upcoming trial! What they did to young Tylee and little JJ were too evil!!!!
I have fought tooth and nail to have children. Surgeries, medications, and an unmeasurable amount of tears. I resorted to adoption as an option. It just never panned out. I had to swallow the pill that I am no longer at an age to have kids. I would have taken these kiddos, sight unseen. I would have showered them with the most amount of love I have to share. Please always consider other alternates before harming a child. Many of us set and wait for the babies need love call. And what a sickening man and woman for stealing the most valuable asset we have, our future.
Fellow infertility sufferer who finally got my little boy thanks to IVF and I fully agree with this statement. So many of us would take them no questions asked.
I can’t have kids either. I thought the same thing as you. There were so many other options for the kids instead of murder. A 2 year old was murdered where I live just a few months ago. His mother’s boyfriend abused him regularly and murdered him. She allowed the abuse and went to work claiming she didn’t know her son was murdered by that point. It’s another heartbreaking case. So many people who can’t carry a child would’ve loved to take the kids. Unfortunately Chad and Lori just wanted the money so if they allowed someone to take the kids then they wouldn’t continue to collect their money.
This woman has aged very rapidly in the short couple of years this has gone on. Like shes literally rotting away in front of us. Good. Hope it continues until nothing is left.
I think the hair was a big deal too! If the hair had been found on the inside of the plastic I would say it could’ve easily gotten there but with her hair being on the outside or wrapped up in the plastic I call it a win too. But the biggest thing was her lies and her not having any remorse for the deaths of her on children.
But I have long hair, and it is found everywhere I have ben. It has been on my kid's clothes too many times to count. My hair has been in books, the wall, anywhere. The texts and phone calls synched it.
@@missolesoulI agree with you. I shed like a cat. I would shudder to think where my hair ends up. Frankly, a fingerprint on the plastic would have been far more meaningful. The hair by itself is less damning.
I have to respectfully disagree. My hair gets everywhere in my house, even rooms I don't often go in. I mean, the woman is guilty AF, but the hair just wasn't the smoking gun for me.
Funny how tylee and jj were "dark", " devils" "evil" but their Social security benefits were "gods blessings" and obviously a "clean holy salvation" to extend generosity to aid any misfortune lori, the saint, may have accumulated
The wonderful Nate Eaton got to interview one of the jury, a male, he was so nice. He said there was just nothing from Lori at all, no remorse, compassion or regret! He said if evil had a face she would be it !!
Tylee and JJ were murdered because they did not like Chad, and were in the way, Tammy was murdered also because she was in the way and Chad wanted to be free of her, 💯 why do you think his children were spared ❓ his children were all grown and would not need Chad or Lori's attention, or to be taken care of by them, the reason for all of this was they wanted free of responsibility, but wanted what ever money came from their crimes, 💯⚠️💯
I followed this from the beginning, when Nate was in Hawaii, & I saw that on the news, I knew, those babies and and others are in harms way... sadly. You could feel it all around the day they found the children, I’ll never forget that moment.
Typical narcissist, she destroyed anyone who came in contact with her. Even her own birth family has turned on each other. Adam, her older brother, became ostracized from the rest of the family, along with his own son, Eric, because he was talking with Charles, and wanted to get mental health treatment for Lori. Their parents sided with Lori. Sounds a lot like Brian Laundrie's parents, as well. They ostracized their daughter, letting Brian run their household. And we know that he was an abuser, as well as a murderer. So I think Lori had the same control over her family.
Those messages definitely proved her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. She had to get rid of Tylee first because Tylee would have protected JJ to the bitter end.
She laughs at her son’s anguish, THAT IS A DEMON. That’s what they do, mock kill and destroy, notice how she changed to sarcasm and chilling laughter after her son mentioned the name Jesus. They know the power of HIS name can cast them out!! May Coby & Summer find peace and comfort knowing they will see their sweet Tylee & JJ again one day!
Exactly what I thought too. Colby accused her of blasphemy and she starts shrieking with laughter. My goodness, it makes your skin crawl. Demon possessed indeed.😢
The irony in this situation is that Lori and Chad were the demon zombies all along 😐 Edit: this is the first time I’ve heard that Chad used Malachite balm on Alex, Malachite contains copper and is poisonous. I’ve wondered if Alex was murdered and now it seems possible he was, his death was very convenient and well timed.
Could be Chad or Lori told Alex to buy some on his trip to Mexico for some reason or another. I thought it was just something Chad told Lori after his blessing to Alex on the phone. Didn't think of him really rubbing any on him literally 😕.
I think I would have gone nuts talking to Lori. All her “ you don’t know what happened” drove me crazy. Nobody knows, Lori, because you won’t tell anyone.
Thank you so much for keeping us updated! I have been following this case since the beginning and it is such a relief that she was convicted on all charges. I pray for all the victims and I hope that Lori rots in prison.
Another reason not to commit a heinous crime? I don't want my cringe text messages read out loud. It's like when you got caught passing notes in middle school and the teacher caught you and then read the notes to the entire class.
I don’t understand this whole pre-sentencing investigation. Why in the world isn’t she just sentenced now bc she’s GUILTY! NO MORE KID GLOVES FOR THIS MURDERER‼️
Idaho state law requires pre-sentencing investigations in all felony charges. Some states do them prior to, or during the trial, and it depends on what the felonies are, how in depth they go. In Lori's case, the fact that she has 4 1st degree murder/conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder, means they're going to go very deep with her. They need to know all of this prior to sending her to the prison, so the prison personnel know how to handle her, what they need to do to make sure she's not a danger to other inmates, or them, to her. Also, to determine how long it would take to 'rehabilitate' her. IMHO, she's got so many demons inside of her, it would be better for her to be put to death, but that's not going to happen... so only thing left, IMHO, is life without parole. She will never be safe around society's members.
It's called they're prolly worried that she's even worse than a Charles Manson, and she'll get live in the boot,with no access to the outside world as these crimes will continue if she isnt
Her smiling and smirk just reiterated her lack of remorse or that she mourned their loss at all. Maybe some day she will actually feel the loss and take the responsibility of her actions.
I doubt that but I'll bet she's already looking for her next ma n with some money. She was probably told about tami's life insurance early on or she wouldn't have wasted her time with Chad. He didn't have money for her. His wife made the money. He was a glorified gravedigger who wrote a couple of boring fiction books. He may of sold some to church members that he visited and spoke to but he didn't make a decent living for Tami and his kids..
Lori got exactly what she deserves with 6 guilty verdicts. I only hope her sentence complements the severity of her heinous crimes. I’m still counting the days until Chad takes a plea.
@@rhondaalbrecht He should not be allowed one. Do you know why the authorities are able to offer plea deals ? It's because they tack on a lot of false charges. Then they bargain with those false charges. They lose nothing by dropping them.
@@tidusjecht9143 LOL! That is a total myth. Do you think that the State wants to waste taxpayer money to hold a trial? Bring in jurors that they have to pay a daily fee for (for example, I'm on federal jury duty standby right now... $50 per day, plus hotel, plus a subsistence allowance because I'm more than 50 miles from the federal courthouse if and when I get called in to be interviewed, let alone get selected for a trial) that adds up over a long trial? That's JUST for the jury. What about the judge's time, the prosecutors' time, if there's a public defender, then the State pays for THEIR services, as well, the bailiffs, the court reporter, judicial assistants, etc., let alone the utilities, security, etc. IF they can avoid a trial, and the defendant negotiates for a plea deal, by agreeing to plead guilty, for less time, or to take the death penalty off the table, then you can bet they will consider the offer, and in most cases, will accept it, in order to save money.
It’s so disturbing and messed up how throughout the entire trial, especially when the pathologist was talking about how JJ and Tylee passed, there was never a reaction on her face. She was just blank the whole time. She’s such a narcissist. She’s only concerned about herself and talks about herself.
I think Melanie Gibb, Zulema and the other Melanie (who tried to get her x bumped off and who’s kids I believe were next to end up in the pet cemetery) are involved in this too. I hope everyone involved faces justice
@@astrialindah2773exactly. The police did nothing when it was reported and she is beyond manipulative. Lori knew exactly what to say in the moment to sound sane and get them off her back long enough to escape. I’m just glad the truth was discovered, sadly too late, but you can’t blame others for not stopping something that sounds unbelievable. No one sane could imagine a mother doing this. Lori and chad are at fault.
She was just indicted today for conspiracy to commit murder against Brandon Budreaux, so now she's facing two possible death sentences. Hopefully one or the other, or even both, will put her on death row.
It was on the table. The Judge removed it due to the Prosecution failing to meet specific deadlines, and jeopardising Lori’s right to a speedy trial. It was the only way to ensure there was no mistrial. No death penalty in Arizona for conspiracy to murder.
Absolute madness, in what world would someone think they could kill they're spouses and children and spend the rest of they're lives on a tropical island, absolutly bizarre.
A world where there are no consequences. They actually believed that they were in the right to do this. Insanity, but when you've got an empty shell, demons will enter. That's what Lori Vallow is... a skinbag that demons have possessed. She never had a soul.
@Leena Wexler I was using that spelling but then I've seen others using the spelling I used, I think I need to research the differences between their, they're and there, I often find in politics related comments sections democrat supporters get very annoyed at spelling errors also and will correct me, weird.
Crazy people, that's who. And based on those text messages alone, they were both bonkers. So of course they were going to be delusional in all aspects of their life.
@@glasshalffull8471 the thing is, use of correct words matters, because if we all spell things the same then we can all understand what's being said. People sometimes get annoyed because they see misspelling and/or misuse of words as a breakdown in the language, which concerns them, because language is something they have a strong respect for. If they're annoyed, it's not aimed at you personally, even if it seems that way. They're annoyed because they see the misuse so often, by so many people, that it upsets them. And some people are truly trying to be helpful when they post a correction. They feel they're (they are) helping you to not make the same mistake next time, which is important if you want your words to be taken seriously. If contractions (words with apostrophes in them) trip you up, take a moment to recall what two words make up the contraction, and that will tell you if you're (you are) using it in the right place. With the word "there", it might help you remember that it designates a location if you remember that it has "here" in it. Hope this helps. Meant with utmost kindness, not annoyance. 😁
@@glasshalffull8471I agree spelling corrections can be annoying because you never know if English is even the person’s first language, don’t see how this has to do with being a democrat though. I think both sides and the middle can agree it’s annoying lol
Melani Pawlaski is part of these crimes/murders. Remember when Brandon Bradx shooting a jeep was witness in front of the house and evidence believes Melani Pawlaski was driving as Alex was shooting from the raised back window. Also there are pictures of Alex and Lori rolling the spare tire in storage bldg and reason is because the back window would not open with the spare tire in place on rear door
What is the biggest indicator she is guilty as sin is the fact that regardless of whether she killed her children or not she can’t even have tear for their loss. She just sits and smiles her smug and arrogant look. No normal and loving mother would be immune to what has happened to these children. She is just the most vile and disgusting woman on earth.
@missolesoul I totally missed that but it "fits". I've read that Lori believed that her sister Stacey (died of what many suspect was suspicious circumstance while alone with Alex while the rest of the Cox family was on a Disney vacation) was reincarnated as Tylee. I have the impression that Lori didn't like either of them.
@@marlayneboblett1267that won’t work or last because she is a lifer whoever she tell these fringe religious beliefs to in prison she will most likely see them gain parole & leave her there lol
This whole case absolutely blows my mind. Lori was clearly suffering with massive mental health problems, but how did she manage to get the people around her to be complicit to her plan and crimes! The ex husband was killed by her brother, and Chad killed his wife to marry her and then there was the murder of the children. There is so much more to this case, why did people just believe in what she said and what she wanted and those poor children were slaughtered. I would be so interested in a psychiatric analysis of this case.
Mentally ill people are drawn to each other and especially cults. So the fact that everyone in their bunch has a personality disorder amongst other issues… doesn’t shock me
Simple. She used her hoo-hoo to manipulate Chad, AND Alex. Read up a little bit on the type of relationship she had with her own brother, and how her parents acted in front of the whole family. There were weird intimate connections in that family.
Narcissists are master manipulators. Lori was attractive and this aided her with her manipulations and she knew how to work others - she'd been doing it her entire life.
That video of her and the police after Charles was shot! He is dead on her floor and she takes JJ to school, then talks to the police outside smiling and giggling! I would be more upset if a stranger was shot in my house from a break in! I just don’t understand how she has not had charges for Charles murder also.
Inmates tend to forget that all calls placed by them ARE recorded and as we just heard, the recordings, if necessary, will be used as evidence in court.
Feel bad too. They’ve both lost both parents. However, based on victims impact statements from Tammy’s people it doesn’t seem like they’ve woken up yet to the fact that their mother was murdered by their dad and his mistress. I can’t pretend to know what they are going through. So I can’t place myself there but I hope they wake up soon and reconnect with Tammy’s family and dump chad!
Poor Colby, my heart is so broken for him. He is a good person and does not deserve to be tortured by her so much. Her laugh is so evil and insane. He is begging her for an explanation but she only plays the martyr and won't tell him anything. She starts screeching at him like he was the problem. She is screaming at him and gaslighting him and breaking his heart with every scream. May God Bless Him and His Family and heal his beautiful heart. Also feel this way toward all the family members harmed by Lori. I'm so sorry to all of you. I will pray for your healing and comfort. Please go on with your lives to keep the memory of the victims alive. They would all want you to go on and live a good life. They are in God's arms now.
Does anyone know if the wifi password "2manykids" would it have been before or after Tylee was gone? It upset my stomach thinking "Did Tylee see that? What would Tylee think if she saw that?" Did Tylee see red flags?
I think it was before - right when they moved to Rexburg end of August. Tylee was killed about 2 weeks after they moved. So sad! I never thought about that. Poor Tylee! I’m gonna do some digging. I’ve been listening to the testimony recordings of their text exchanges.
It’s bad enough to kill your children but to torture them is pure evil. The death penalty should have been an option. This is exactly what it’s for, cases like this.
I think Tylee knew. Lori accused her of being a zombie and Tylee said, “No Mom. Not me.” By all accounts, she was an intelligent girl. It breaks my heart that she probably knew.
Lori Vallow was not a good mother. She’s always been who she is now . everything Lori does is for “her “glory. It’s evident by the way she goes on and on about what she did for the children.😞
The defence would like us to believe that it was a mere coincidence that the four people who were supposed to be demon possessed and marked for death just so happened to be the four obstacles in the way of this couple’s future financial security and romantic relationship? Lori is rightfully now in jail - one down and one to go. It’s Chad Daybell’s day in court next, and we would love to find out how, after his wife of over three decades died, he was so stricken with grief that he married the woman he was having an affair with just two weeks later, laughing on the beach, and spending the life insurance he took out on Tammy. Charles, Tammy, Tyler and JJ deserved better. I hope the jury will do what’s right.
This whole situation was a big waste of time. I understand a fair trial right. But there was enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt at least a dozen times over in the first couple of hours the court room doors open. Lock them both up and stop wasting everyone's time and money. I've never had my intelligence insulted this much since 9/11 🙄
I get your frustration but the 6th and 7th amendment rights of the Constitution must be honored for every defendant because if those rights are violated, the defense attorney would have enough legal grounds to have the verdicts of the case to be either retried or dismissed entirely based on constitutional grounds. That’s too much of a risk to take if you want a conviction.
On cross examination, why did the defense not question witnesses if they had received immunity in exchange for testimony. (At least on witness had limited/transactional immunity)
I'm having great difficulty, like many others I suspect, in comprehending this kind of evil. What kind of sick mind would dream up, and try to cover up, such appalling wickedness.
it's heartbreaking to listen to those phone calls :( the entire country sad and worried for those poor babies and the "mother" laughing and trying to justify what she did.
I can't listen to Melanie Gibb any longer, I think she's full of crap. She was a part of this as much as the other Melanie, Zulema and Audrey and there's one more and I can't remember her name. It took Melanie Gibb two months to speak to the police, she is the first one to introduce Lori into the preparing of the people and she is the one who introduced her to Chad, she isn't a saint in all of this. She should have called the police the day Charles was murdered. If she would have done that JJ, Tylee and Tammy would be alive today.
I don't think she is disconnected from reality. I think it's manipulation at its worst. Just look at the lengths taken to not get caught. Burner phones, moving states, coded messages, etc. wouldn't have been necessary.
It still doesn’t mean anything. I have long hair and it gets all over everything and in all the laundry too. Let’s say she gave Alex a hug and then he got her hair on his shirt and passed it off to JJ while k!lling him… that’s very plausible.
It's sickening how much this was just a plan to get rid of these children. The "2manykids" password says it all right there. Such a tragedy for these poor children and Tammy. I hope that Chad's children have finally accepted his guilt in this. From what I saw before, they were still supporting him.
I wish someone in that prison gets to her & shows her exactly what dark really is , something like what happened to jeff dahmer . she is the worst liar ever
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I’d call Lori a monster, but I wouldn’t want to offend monsters.
Exactly...no word is evil enough to describe this "woman".
Sick Evil Monster More like it... JUSTICE4 those Sweet Babies!!!!
@@AlexandraG_ or chub dumbell
@@joannemurdock7899 lollll chub dumbell very accurate
@@AlexandraG_ vile, vermin.
She says "You don't know what happened," implying that she DOES. And when he said "pure blasphemy," she responded with that unhinged laughter...ugh...a shiver went up my spine. Repulsive and evil are inadequate to describe this...THING they keep calling a "mom."
I think she's demon possessed. It's insane.
Agreed. That was creepy.
The first time I heard that, the whole atmosphere changed. Dark. Sinister. Demonic. She double talks, avoids, gaslights, deflects, & circle talks- Classic textbook cluster B personality disorders: antisocial, borderline, histrionic, and narcissistic. In part, histrionic PD happens as a result of being brought up with little to no discipline, never being held accountable for one’s own behavior…
IMO, her parents were enablers.
Demonic.
The fact that she keeps saying “you don’ know what happened” but refuses to tell what happened proves she knows what happened and she knows it was wrong. I never want to hear this wicked woman’s name again. She is evil.
The smirk is off her face now.😂
I doubt it. I think she sees herself as a martyr who has extra blessings coming for her suffering. She's a very sick mind.
Finally!
Going by the footage in the courtroom, maybe not. Pretty horrific.
Not alot of people talk about how Charles tried to stop his murder and also the kids murders.... And wasn't listened to ...i find that incredibly sad...
So sad, if only they had listened it would be sooo different today.
I noticed that too. Charles was a hero but was ignored.
Yes, absolutely..why didn’t they investigate her further after his desperate pleas…this is such an atrocity & a tragedy of the nth degree…😞
Tragic!
Charles 's sister and children need to sue the city 😮that ignore his complaint and fear that Lori was planning on killing him and possibly the children. He was not taken serious and the police thought he was the crazy one. The Police needs to be held accountable so this doesn't happen again and cause the deaths of so many people.❤
Lori thinks she did Tylee, JJ, Charles, Tammy and Joe Ryan a tremendous service by killing them and putting them out of their misery. Yet their misery was created by her and invented by her.
i read how Joe Ryan was found dead in his apartment after 3 weeks dead. Apparently alex had tasered Jo Ryan and his health suffered
That’s true. He served a jail sentence for that but it wasn’t a long sentence.
I agree completely
This...this is SO on the nose.
Thank you for labeling Tammy as Chad’s LATE wife - so many news networks keep calling her his ex-wife which is inaccurate.
I agree, Tammy went to bed a wife and never woke up.
It’s now legal to say…chads murdered wife.
It’s only respectful to acknowledge Tammy’s position. Yes, thank you.
@rickyanthonyno, i believe they're using it as in no longer married
@rickyanthony The debate is likely because the implications for both words are very different. 'ex' and 'late' don't mean the same thing, due to the implication behind the words.
'ex' would mean they broke up or divorced (and were alive at the time; if you devorce someone and they die any time after that, they are just 'ex wife' or 'late ex wife').
'Late' indicating the relationship was ongoing when they passed away. It's also a polite way to reference someone who died (as in the above example 'late ex wife).
In this case, Tammy and Chad were married at the time of her murder, so saying 'ex wife' is inaccurate and is disrespectful to the victim.
I'm not sure if you got your answer from anyone else earlier, but if you didn't, I hope this helps.
I don't know how a mother, on trial for murdering her children, can sit in a courtroom and smile like a Cheshire cat without shedding so much as a tear for those kids. I don't know what effect this so-called cult has had in creating this monster we are seeing, but they need to lock her up and throw away the key.
Like a smiling Assassin.... Disgusting
She was a full fledged malignant narcissist before going off the deep end with her little personal cult.
the thing is, it’s always been there. I believe she was/ is a self surviving person and couldn’t feed her sickness and blew her brain with evil.
That smile sure is creepy.
Loopy Lori dory was told to smile and act crazy to ensure an alibi .her lawyer knows she did it .but he told loopy Lori to act nuts so she will have a chance to get away with it.
The only demons are Lori, Chad, Alex & their cronies.
This story has gotten more crazy the more I stayed silent. People like this are only food for the real demons. The children would've been better of with the state sad to say!
I’m glad you added their cronies because the 2 Melanie’s and Zulema are definitely involved.
@@hoptoit5910 I agree!
100%! If you want to know the truth about the type of people who are constantly lying and manipulating others? Just pay attention to what they accuse others of. More often than not with these types, they’re projecting and while lying about others, they’re actually telling on themselves.
🙏🙏🙏💙 GRATITUDE!!! Best comment of the lot!! 💙💙💙👏👏👏
I bet Colby was already damaged by his narcissistic mother in some way, but this… 💔
She also said that JJ would come back as Colby he next child 🙄. Oh joy.
he will lose his faith & become and atheist very soon
Lori was crazy and mental at the same time. This doesn't happen over night. Adam told the Mother that she should intervene because of Lori's thinking and what she was saying.
Mental illness is an illness, even though some choose not to accept it. “Crazy” has been a word to portray those who suffer with mental illness as dangerous, weak, unpredictable, unproductive and incapable of rational behavior or relationships. It is a word used without any serious thought or consideration.
She keeps saying to her son "you don't know what happened" but yet she won't say what happened. Consciousness of guilt. She NEVER says what happened. She just talks around it. That convinced me.
True
Seeing the cases with Lori Vallow and Leticia Stauch so close together, it really highlights the similarities of how pathological liars/sociopaths communicate among other behaviours. Hopefully many people following these cases and trials will be better able to spot the tell tale signs, ways they communicate and other red flags and RUN!
@@lillianlrogue9480 She and Chad were sadists too. You'd be surprised how many closet psychopaths and sadists there really are.
Felt the same. She said it over and over. “I know what happened “!!!
Everyone sz that. But no one is thinking it through.
Now I firmly believe in her guilt. But let's be real. She know her calls are being recorded! Everything she dz on the phone -- except to her lawyers -- is essentially being said to the police.
And you know what all lawyers say about talking to the police.
Not one of these phone calls is the least bit incriminating.
But a lot of other evidence is.
I have to wonder if these legal commentators believe what they're saying.
Her LAUGHING is so sicking .
The conversation between Lori and her son is textbook Narcissistic word salad. She won't give him a straight answer, she keeps dancing around answering him straight.
They purposely wear out their victim so they get SO exasperated and give up asking for an answer to their question.
It ain’t over yet! Can’t wait for her Arizona trial, & Chad’s trial!! Not stopping until justice is complete!! 💯👏
Phone calls with Chad, Colby, and summer were damaging but text messages nailed the guilty coffins by Lori herself! Those two evidences showed that she was not insane but very sane, conniving, and munipulative. Next guilty coffin to nail is Chad in his upcoming trial!
What they did to young Tylee and little JJ were too evil!!!!
Two personalities that complimented each other. That's what attracted them to each other.
How did they kill the children? I never heard them discuss this.
@@ksmill09 they were unable to tell with Tylee but JJ was smothered
Pure EVIL both of them, and if that is true they are Mormons boy howdy I am glad I never went to service at their place of worship
@@kimberleytaylor4475 And by "smothered," we mean they put a bag over his head
I have fought tooth and nail to have children. Surgeries, medications, and an unmeasurable amount of tears. I resorted to adoption as an option. It just never panned out. I had to swallow the pill that I am no longer at an age to have kids. I would have taken these kiddos, sight unseen. I would have showered them with the most amount of love I have to share. Please always consider other alternates before harming a child. Many of us set and wait for the babies need love call. And what a sickening man and woman for stealing the most valuable asset we have, our future.
Fellow infertility sufferer who finally got my little boy thanks to IVF and I fully agree with this statement. So many of us would take them no questions asked.
I'm with you ladies. I would've loved them forever. I'm also infertile. Heartbreaking 💔
Unfortunately she wanted to collect the $5k a month in their absence after she realised she was taken off of Charles’ life insurance policy. Evil
I can’t have kids either. I thought the same thing as you. There were so many other options for the kids instead of murder. A 2 year old was murdered where I live just a few months ago. His mother’s boyfriend abused him regularly and murdered him. She allowed the abuse and went to work claiming she didn’t know her son was murdered by that point. It’s another heartbreaking case. So many people who can’t carry a child would’ve loved to take the kids. Unfortunately Chad and Lori just wanted the money so if they allowed someone to take the kids then they wouldn’t continue to collect their money.
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This woman has aged very rapidly in the short couple of years this has gone on. Like shes literally rotting away in front of us. Good. Hope it continues until nothing is left.
Let’s see if they going to open portals and visit each other lol😂
When is Melanie P. going to be indicted for her part in this horrendous conspiracy???
I think the hair was a big deal too! If the hair had been found on the inside of the plastic I would say it could’ve easily gotten there but with her hair being on the outside or wrapped up in the plastic I call it a win too. But the biggest thing was her lies and her not having any remorse for the deaths of her on children.
But I have long hair, and it is found everywhere I have ben. It has been on my kid's clothes too many times to count. My hair has been in books, the wall, anywhere. The texts and phone calls synched it.
Morbidity is a totally different thing.
@@missolesoulI agree with you. I shed like a cat. I would shudder to think where my hair ends up. Frankly, a fingerprint on the plastic would have been far more meaningful. The hair by itself is less damning.
I have to respectfully disagree. My hair gets everywhere in my house, even rooms I don't often go in. I mean, the woman is guilty AF, but the hair just wasn't the smoking gun for me.
I think my grey hair is even in bird's nests😇❤
Funny how tylee and jj were "dark", " devils" "evil" but their Social security benefits were "gods blessings" and obviously a "clean holy salvation" to extend generosity to aid any misfortune lori, the saint, may have accumulated
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Chad told Lori they were zombies
Yep..such an oxymoron, right? Shouldn’t that money 💰 be dark too?!🤔
It wasn’t really the money it was the responsibility! Of the kids.
The wonderful Nate Eaton got to interview one of the jury, a male, he was so nice. He said there was just nothing from Lori at all, no remorse, compassion or regret! He said if evil had a face she would be it !!
The arrogant juror who gave incorrect information that led to a request for a new trial?
Tylee and JJ were murdered because they did not like Chad, and were in the way, Tammy was murdered also because she was in the way and Chad wanted to be free of her, 💯 why do you think his children were spared ❓ his children were all grown and would not need Chad or Lori's attention, or to be taken care of by them, the reason for all of this was they wanted free of responsibility, but wanted what ever money came from their crimes, 💯⚠️💯
They had a lot of damning evidence but when those texts came out towards the end… GAME OVER.
I followed this from the beginning, when Nate was in Hawaii, & I saw that on the news, I knew, those babies and and others are in harms way... sadly. You could feel it all around the day they found the children, I’ll never forget that moment.
Typical narcissist, she destroyed anyone who came in contact with her. Even her own birth family has turned on each other. Adam, her older brother, became ostracized from the rest of the family, along with his own son, Eric, because he was talking with Charles, and wanted to get mental health treatment for Lori. Their parents sided with Lori. Sounds a lot like Brian Laundrie's parents, as well. They ostracized their daughter, letting Brian run their household. And we know that he was an abuser, as well as a murderer. So I think Lori had the same control over her family.
I think the name of Adam's son, in this case, is Zac. Not sure if Adam has a son named Eric.
Those messages definitely proved her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. She had to get rid of Tylee first because Tylee would have protected JJ to the bitter end.
Both Melanie's need jail time.
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A juror said Hart’s testimony sealed the deal and took away any doubt for him. That many felt that way.
Who is Hart??
She laughs at her son’s anguish, THAT IS A DEMON. That’s what they do, mock kill and destroy, notice how she changed to sarcasm and chilling laughter after her son mentioned the name Jesus. They know the power of HIS name can cast them out!! May Coby & Summer find peace and comfort knowing they will see their sweet Tylee & JJ again one day!
Exactly what I thought too. Colby accused her of blasphemy and she starts shrieking with laughter. My goodness, it makes your skin crawl. Demon possessed indeed.😢
Mr Visionary didn't see this coming?!!? thats odd
Nope 😂😂
The irony in this situation is that Lori and Chad were the demon zombies all along 😐
Edit: this is the first time I’ve heard that Chad used Malachite balm on Alex, Malachite contains copper and is poisonous. I’ve wondered if Alex was murdered and now it seems possible he was, his death was very convenient and well timed.
Oh yes. He was.
Could be Chad or Lori told Alex to buy some on his trip to Mexico for some reason or another. I thought it was just something Chad told Lori after his blessing to Alex on the phone. Didn't think of him really rubbing any on him literally 😕.
I think I would have gone nuts talking to Lori. All her “ you don’t know what happened” drove me crazy. Nobody knows, Lori, because you won’t tell anyone.
Thank you so much for keeping us updated! I have been following this case since the beginning and it is such a relief that she was convicted on all charges. I pray for all the victims and I hope that Lori rots in prison.
Another reason not to commit a heinous crime? I don't want my cringe text messages read out loud. It's like when you got caught passing notes in middle school and the teacher caught you and then read the notes to the entire class.
I don’t understand this whole pre-sentencing investigation. Why in the world isn’t she just sentenced now bc she’s GUILTY! NO MORE KID GLOVES FOR THIS MURDERER‼️
I know. I've never seen anything like this before. It makes me nervous.
Idaho state law requires pre-sentencing investigations in all felony charges. Some states do them prior to, or during the trial, and it depends on what the felonies are, how in depth they go. In Lori's case, the fact that she has 4 1st degree murder/conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder, means they're going to go very deep with her. They need to know all of this prior to sending her to the prison, so the prison personnel know how to handle her, what they need to do to make sure she's not a danger to other inmates, or them, to her. Also, to determine how long it would take to 'rehabilitate' her. IMHO, she's got so many demons inside of her, it would be better for her to be put to death, but that's not going to happen... so only thing left, IMHO, is life without parole. She will never be safe around society's members.
It's called they're prolly worried that she's even worse than a Charles Manson, and she'll get live in the boot,with no access to the outside world as these crimes will continue if she isnt
She ain't smiling and laughing now.
Yes, and the "storm" has frizzled out.
@@vickiedutton6829HaHa😂
Lori looks like she has aged 15 years! Evil will do that. So sad for all the victims dead and alive. Tragic.
Her smiling and smirk just reiterated her lack of remorse or that she mourned their loss at all. Maybe some day she will actually feel the loss and take the responsibility of her actions.
I doubt that but I'll bet she's already looking for her next ma n with some money. She was probably told about tami's life insurance early on or she wouldn't have wasted her time with Chad. He didn't have money for her. His wife made the money. He was a glorified gravedigger who wrote a couple of boring fiction books. He may of sold some to church members that he visited and spoke to but he didn't make a decent living for Tami and his kids..
Killed the mother of his 5 children.. how do you get over knowing that your dad, killed your mother..
They don't believe he killed her. They went on a vacation with him and Lori shortly after her death!
Lori got exactly what she deserves with 6 guilty verdicts. I only hope her sentence complements the severity of her heinous crimes. I’m still counting the days until Chad takes a plea.
If Chad is smart, he would take a plea bargain. He's got 13 months to make one.
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He should not be allowed one. Do you know why the authorities are able to offer plea deals ? It's because they tack on a lot of false charges. Then they bargain with those false charges. They lose nothing by dropping them.
@@tidusjecht9143 LOL! That is a total myth. Do you think that the State wants to waste taxpayer money to hold a trial? Bring in jurors that they have to pay a daily fee for (for example, I'm on federal jury duty standby right now... $50 per day, plus hotel, plus a subsistence allowance because I'm more than 50 miles from the federal courthouse if and when I get called in to be interviewed, let alone get selected for a trial) that adds up over a long trial? That's JUST for the jury. What about the judge's time, the prosecutors' time, if there's a public defender, then the State pays for THEIR services, as well, the bailiffs, the court reporter, judicial assistants, etc., let alone the utilities, security, etc. IF they can avoid a trial, and the defendant negotiates for a plea deal, by agreeing to plead guilty, for less time, or to take the death penalty off the table, then you can bet they will consider the offer, and in most cases, will accept it, in order to save money.
Both Melanie's should also be held responsible. They had knowledge of everything.
And Zulema too..
Way too many people invoved in this case. Im so confused.
I don't think MG did. Maybe she should have but I don't think she knew.
It’s so disturbing and messed up how throughout the entire trial, especially when the pathologist was talking about how JJ and Tylee passed, there was never a reaction on her face. She was just blank the whole time. She’s such a narcissist. She’s only concerned about herself and talks about herself.
Psychopaths..don’t have compassion!
I think Melanie Gibb, Zulema and the other Melanie (who tried to get her x bumped off and who’s kids I believe were next to end up in the pet cemetery) are involved in this too. I hope everyone involved faces justice
I imagine they were aware of it to an extent, I'm just not sure to what. Like, did they really think she would go through with it?
They knew people ( kids as well) were in danger . They should have reported this to the authorities .
@@teresaacevedo1731oh you mean the authorities that when Charles said that she could murder him, did nothing??
@@astrialindah2773exactly. The police did nothing when it was reported and she is beyond manipulative. Lori knew exactly what to say in the moment to sound sane and get them off her back long enough to escape. I’m just glad the truth was discovered, sadly too late, but you can’t blame others for not stopping something that sounds unbelievable. No one sane could imagine a mother doing this. Lori and chad are at fault.
The death penalty should have been on the table, let’s hope Arizona ask for death for killing Charles.
She was just indicted today for conspiracy to commit murder against Brandon Budreaux, so now she's facing two possible death sentences. Hopefully one or the other, or even both, will put her on death row.
It was on the table. The Judge removed it due to the Prosecution failing to meet specific deadlines, and jeopardising Lori’s right to a speedy trial. It was the only way to ensure there was no mistrial.
No death penalty in Arizona for conspiracy to murder.
@@JaneSmith0709 Arizona does not have the death penalty for conspiracy to murder, irrespective of how many victims there may be.
@@franceswatts4001 Well that sucks.
They are monsters. Horrific.
Absolute madness, in what world would someone think they could kill they're spouses and children and spend the rest of they're lives on a tropical island, absolutly bizarre.
A world where there are no consequences. They actually believed that they were in the right to do this. Insanity, but when you've got an empty shell, demons will enter. That's what Lori Vallow is... a skinbag that demons have possessed. She never had a soul.
@Leena Wexler I was using that spelling but then I've seen others using the spelling I used, I think I need to research the differences between their, they're and there, I often find in politics related comments sections democrat supporters get very annoyed at spelling errors also and will correct me, weird.
Crazy people, that's who. And based on those text messages alone, they were both bonkers. So of course they were going to be delusional in all aspects of their life.
@@glasshalffull8471 the thing is, use of correct words matters, because if we all spell things the same then we can all understand what's being said. People sometimes get annoyed because they see misspelling and/or misuse of words as a breakdown in the language, which concerns them, because language is something they have a strong respect for. If they're annoyed, it's not aimed at you personally, even if it seems that way. They're annoyed because they see the misuse so often, by so many people, that it upsets them. And some people are truly trying to be helpful when they post a correction. They feel they're (they are) helping you to not make the same mistake next time, which is important if you want your words to be taken seriously. If contractions (words with apostrophes in them) trip you up, take a moment to recall what two words make up the contraction, and that will tell you if you're (you are) using it in the right place. With the word "there", it might help you remember that it designates a location if you remember that it has "here" in it. Hope this helps. Meant with utmost kindness, not annoyance. 😁
@@glasshalffull8471I agree spelling corrections can be annoying because you never know if English is even the person’s first language, don’t see how this has to do with being a democrat though. I think both sides and the middle can agree it’s annoying lol
Melanie G. and her other coconspirators need to be charged also.
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Melani Pawlaski is part of these crimes/murders. Remember when Brandon Bradx shooting a jeep was witness in front of the house and evidence believes Melani Pawlaski was driving as Alex was shooting from the raised back window. Also there are pictures of Alex and Lori rolling the spare tire in storage bldg and reason is because the back window would not open with the spare tire in place on rear door
What is the biggest indicator she is guilty as sin is the fact that regardless of whether she killed her children or not she can’t even have tear for their loss. She just sits and smiles her smug and arrogant look. No normal and loving mother would be immune to what has happened to these children. She is just the most vile and disgusting woman on earth.
It is so disturbing.
I wonder if Tammy knew about Chad's idea of her going to pass away one day
I doubt it..
I rrally hope someone rearranges that smirk on her face......
She said JJ would come back as Colby's next child! What is scarier is that there are others who think this way, like Melanie and the other followers.
@missolesoul I totally missed that but it "fits".
I've read that Lori believed that her sister Stacey (died of what many suspect was suspicious circumstance while alone with Alex while the rest of the Cox family was on a Disney vacation) was reincarnated as Tylee.
I have the impression that Lori didn't like either of them.
Those exact things are what concern me about her in prison, that she will have influence over others there. She is so manipulative it is scary.
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@@marlayneboblett1267that won’t work or last because she is a lifer whoever she tell these fringe religious beliefs to in prison she will most likely see them gain parole & leave her there lol
Lori wanted the childrens SSI more than wanting her children.
Lori is void of love.
You need to put subtitles for the phone calls
This whole case absolutely blows my mind. Lori was clearly suffering with massive mental health problems, but how did she manage to get the people around her to be complicit to her plan and crimes! The ex husband was killed by her brother, and Chad killed his wife to marry her and then there was the murder of the children. There is so much more to this case, why did people just believe in what she said and what she wanted and those poor children were slaughtered. I would be so interested in a psychiatric analysis of this case.
It's odd to me that Chad seemed to be the catalyst but then she was the manipulator...?
Mentally ill people are drawn to each other and especially cults. So the fact that everyone in their bunch has a personality disorder amongst other issues… doesn’t shock me
Simple. She used her hoo-hoo to manipulate Chad, AND Alex. Read up a little bit on the type of relationship she had with her own brother, and how her parents acted in front of the whole family. There were weird intimate connections in that family.
Narcissists are master manipulators. Lori was attractive and this aided her with her manipulations and she knew how to work others - she'd been doing it her entire life.
Horrible way the kids went down
Their mom is a monster!!!!
That video of her and the police after Charles was shot! He is dead on her floor and she takes JJ to school, then talks to the police outside smiling and giggling! I would be more upset if a stranger was shot in my house from a break in! I just don’t understand how she has not had charges for Charles murder also.
Ole Chad Dumbell is going to be found guilty too.
Inmates tend to forget that all calls placed by them ARE recorded and as we just heard, the recordings, if necessary, will be used as evidence in court.
My heart gets destroyed when I think about those kids and Colby, May God give you strenght
Cant listen to these calls without subtitles
I feel sorry for her son Colby and Tammy daybells children ! Lust and greed was the big factor and pure evil
Feel bad too. They’ve both lost both parents. However, based on victims impact statements from Tammy’s people it doesn’t seem like they’ve woken up yet to the fact that their mother was murdered by their dad and his mistress. I can’t pretend to know what they are going through. So I can’t place myself there but I hope they wake up soon and reconnect with Tammy’s family and dump chad!
Sad but you hit the nail on the head!! Lust and greed just that simple!!
All she had to do was give JJ and Tylee to her mother. The extremes that narcissist went to.
She wouldn’t get the $5k in social security from her kids’ bank accounts if she did that though…
Poor Colby, my heart is so broken for him. He is a good person and does not deserve to be tortured by her so much. Her laugh is so evil and insane. He is begging her for an explanation but she only plays the martyr and won't tell him anything. She starts screeching at him like he was the problem. She is screaming at him and gaslighting him and breaking his heart with every scream. May God Bless Him and His Family and heal his beautiful heart. Also feel this way toward all the family members harmed by Lori. I'm so sorry to all of you. I will pray for your healing and comfort. Please go on with your lives to keep the memory of the victims alive. They would all want you to go on and live a good life. They are in God's arms now.
Does anyone know if the wifi password "2manykids" would it have been before or after Tylee was gone? It upset my stomach thinking "Did Tylee see that? What would Tylee think if she saw that?" Did Tylee see red flags?
I think it was before - right when they moved to Rexburg end of August. Tylee was killed about 2 weeks after they moved. So sad! I never thought about that. Poor Tylee! I’m gonna do some digging. I’ve been listening to the testimony recordings of their text exchanges.
Horrifically, yes before. 😢
It’s bad enough to kill your children but to torture them is pure evil. The death penalty should have been an option. This is exactly what it’s for, cases like this.
I think Tylee knew. Lori accused her of being a zombie and Tylee said, “No Mom. Not me.”
By all accounts, she was an intelligent girl. It breaks my heart that she probably knew.
Lori Vallow was not a good mother. She’s always been who she is now . everything Lori does is for “her “glory. It’s evident by the way she goes on and on about what she did for the children.😞
She DYED her two year old daughter’s hair so she would be a fake blonde. Always unhinged.
She asked Chad are they inside?
And he said no on the property...
The defence would like us to believe that it was a mere coincidence that the four people who were supposed to be demon possessed and marked for death just so happened to be the four obstacles in the way of this couple’s future financial security and romantic relationship? Lori is rightfully now in jail - one down and one to go. It’s Chad Daybell’s day in court next, and we would love to find out how, after his wife of over three decades died, he was so stricken with grief that he married the woman he was having an affair with just two weeks later, laughing on the beach, and spending the life insurance he took out on Tammy. Charles, Tammy, Tyler and JJ deserved better. I hope the jury will do what’s right.
Well her on the duct tape on his corpse is major. It shows she came into contact with him when he was murdered or after.
This whole situation was a big waste of time. I understand a fair trial right. But there was enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt at least a dozen times over in the first couple of hours the court room doors open. Lock them both up and stop wasting everyone's time and money. I've never had my intelligence insulted this much since 9/11 🙄
I get your frustration but the 6th and 7th amendment rights of the Constitution must be honored for every defendant because if those rights are violated, the defense attorney would have enough legal grounds to have the verdicts of the case to be either retried or dismissed entirely based on constitutional grounds. That’s too much of a risk to take if you want a conviction.
On cross examination, why did the defense not question witnesses if they had received immunity in exchange for testimony. (At least on witness had limited/transactional immunity)
Would like to know that as well
call with her sister was the nail in her coffin. that was months ago.
No it was the other evidence they found like in the texts. Although she was cold, she didn't admit to anything on that call.
I'm having great difficulty, like many others I suspect, in comprehending this kind of evil. What kind of sick mind would dream up, and try to cover up, such appalling wickedness.
it's heartbreaking to listen to those phone calls :( the entire country sad and worried for those poor babies and the "mother" laughing and trying to justify what she did.
This part always confused me. How long did she think she had until someone noticed the children were missing?
The world was supposed to become apocalyptic on July 22 so Chad & Lori were just going to live it up until then, I guess.
They will meet their maker but not in the way they think 🤔
I just watched Small Sacrifices and the similarities between Lori and Diane Downs is crazy.
Diane was/is evil on her own, these idiots were a clan😢
Diane Downs was a mean ,,lying,,hurtful lady ,,,,she was truly wicked ,,,You could see it in her eyes ,,Ive read books on her ,,,,Terrible Lady ,,,
Me too, I just also heard that Lori and Diane Downs are both Cell mates 😳 😂
What a Coincidence , Baby 👶 killers
Downs killed her kids bc they got in way of her love life much like Susan Smith. Lori wanted the SS money that both kids received and the freedom.
@@wendycarstens8185really?! Wow!
Lori Daybell is all chin. Wow. And she's aged 30 years since she went to the slammer. Good!
I can't listen to Melanie Gibb any longer, I think she's full of crap. She was a part of this as much as the other Melanie, Zulema and Audrey and there's one more and I can't remember her name. It took Melanie Gibb two months to speak to the police, she is the first one to introduce Lori into the preparing of the people and she is the one who introduced her to Chad, she isn't a saint in all of this. She should have called the police the day Charles was murdered. If she would have done that JJ, Tylee and Tammy would be alive today.
The hair is significant I agree…also I feel Arizona will air her trial
I sure hope so. Death penalty here we come.
I sure hope they air it! 🙏
I feel such intense hatred for that woman it scares me.
This is disgusting to hear.
Wow, what some are capable of is chilling.
Just unbelievable how evil some people are!
Sick sick sick evil animals
Please, don't insult the animals. 🐕 🐈.....
Of these I think the strongest is when her sister cried, “You were dancing on the beach while your kids were in the ground?!”
Even though I’m glad they have this evidence, I hope all my phone calls are not recorded
Just fyi they were jail phone calls
Melanie Gibb should have said she lied to cops about JJ because Lori and Chad threatened her, but nope, She is just as guilty imo
Gosh, the disconnect from reality for Lori is UNREAL.
I don't think she is disconnected from reality.
I think it's manipulation at its worst.
Just look at the lengths taken to not get caught.
Burner phones, moving states, coded messages, etc.
wouldn't have been necessary.
They didn’t find Lori’s hair ON JJ… not on his pajamas… not on a blanket… on the TAPE on the OUTSIDE of his dead, wrapped body. Disgusting.
It still doesn’t mean anything. I have long hair and it gets all over everything and in all the laundry too. Let’s say she gave Alex a hug and then he got her hair on his shirt and passed it off to JJ while k!lling him… that’s very plausible.
The hair was on the OUTSIDE of the bag, not on his body or his pajamas.
Lori Vallow aged about 25 years during all of this, twisting and turning into a ravaged old woman.
You broke it down and made it plan, Jesse TY.
did the people who she admitted the murders to ever get charged? They just went about life after hearing her confession.
It's sickening how much this was just a plan to get rid of these children. The "2manykids" password says it all right there. Such a tragedy for these poor children and Tammy. I hope that Chad's children have finally accepted his guilt in this. From what I saw before, they were still supporting him.
I wish someone in that prison gets to her & shows her exactly what dark really is , something like what happened to jeff dahmer . she is the worst liar ever
She could have divorced, or surrendered the kids to social services...OR THEIR GRANDPARENTS.. And oh...THE END OF THE WORLD NEVER HAPPENED
Bring Melanie ! She should be next
Gibbs had this information, yet did nothing.
How is she not under indictment as a co-conspirator?
So sad! Love this channel.
colby is right,the whole world thinks shes a monster