This kills me because it's exactly how us in the "freak group" dressed in Jr. High. I had a Master of Puppets patch tho. As my dad says, "Just keep wearing what you like and it'll eventually come back into style." ;)
I love this way of dressing. I finally got me a couple jackets, one blue and one black, got a little handful of patches from my friend, need a few more to fill it though 🙂
@@heisenbooger I'm sure a good amount did. Don't miss interpret different style with hate. Not everyone's gonna rock with this style because we all have sifferent styles. I would personally wear something like this if I had the chance but wouodnt feel very comfortable bc it just really isn't my style
This is the most detailed and most accurate cosplay tutorial I’ve ever seen! This actually makes me so frickin happy. It’s not one of those stupid knock offs or cheap “as close as you can get to the real one”, it is legit and SO good! THANK YOU!!!
I was thinking the exact same thing, the level of detail to make sure every pin is correct and in the proper place. The Iron Maiden patch that I truly never even noticed, everything is spot on and incredible
If anyone has the money to spend for a jacket directly from Levi, I recommend doing it, if you get the full jacket, you can cut the sleeves off and fray the edges were the sleeves used to be, giving it a more accurate look.
bro the vintage $98 one is 60% off in store at the levis store i paid $40 !!!! its the right color and everything! for the the full jacket!!! but its instore only and it has to be the levis store!!
Agreed! The form of the stitching on the Levis vests is very specific and gives the illusion of broader shoulders since it has a "V" shape (for us females who wanna cosplay him lol). So if y'all can invest in the trucker vest you can get a very accurate look.
As someone who is a proud owner of a Battle Jacket, this is an incredible work of art and its inspiring me to make another based on the 1980s metal era!!
really great guide and attention to detail! and for all the concerned metalheads commenting, yall know this is a cosplay/costuming channel right? this creator recreates costume pieces from media so even if a battle jacket/vest is part of metal culture, eddie himself is a fictional character,,,
This was very cool. I knew so many guys for who this was a uniform back in the 80s, often the larger back patch would be safety-pinned all the way round so it could be switched out as their fave band changed (or they just didn't have a mom or gf who sewed lol)
I love how the gear I wore every day in the mid 80's is now a "costume" that people wear to cons, and events. I mean this genuinely because I thought it'd be far gone by now, lol. Mine was an Iron Maiden "Killers" back patch with more Iron Maiden pins, and a Slayer one on a Lee vest because it had wool insulated liner similar to flannel. Classic Levi's jackets didn't have a liner so the people that wore them froze their asses off without a jacket underneath, lol.
this one is only a costume because its supposed to be part of a specific character's cosplay. regular old battlejackets havent gone anywhere. punks and metalheads alike are still rocking all our fav bands
I have a jacket like that but the Scorpions. Guitar player had a Dio one. These were so common in the 80's! Thank you for making this video! Teh cool thing is, these pins, Jewlery and patches are easy to fine all over the place, still being worn 35-40 years later! Just watch someone (hot topic and the like) will jack the prices up for these kids doing the cosplay.
Oh they absolutely do and will for the foreseeable future, it’s Highway robbery but it’s the price we pay to look like some of our favorite characters 💀 that’s why (when I can) I enjoy going this more DIY route, plus it adds more to the cosplay imo
Wow I didn't even people peep the Megadeth and Iron Maiden patches! Awesome these are on the jacket. Still pissed Steve ditched it in the army surplus store
I finished handsewing the DIO patch onto the back this morning, and I’m literally screaming. I haven’t got all of the other patches and pins in the mail yet, but I’ll be putting those on too as soon as I get them. I’m so excited.
As someone who is customizing their own personal jacket and hoping to make an Eddie cosplay in the future, this is such an incredible video!! The attention to detail is amazing!
Finished mine in October, been wearing it ever since. I added a couple additional patches; Corroded Coffin and Hellfire Club. Thanks so much for the tutorial!!
i love this so much 😍 i'm a huge fan of iron maiden and dio, when i saw eddie's jacket i immediately fell in live, thank for showing us how to make the jacket ourselves! 🤗
Battle vests/jackets are ment to be a representation of one’s personal music taste and/or personality; sure you can bear appreciation for and individual’s personal vest, but it would be illogical and frowned upon in the metalhead community. By all means if you want to make someone else’s vest, who is anyone to stop you, but as you become more of a metalhead (if that is what you want to be) then the better move is to spend the money on patches of bands that describe more of your music taste and your favorite band as the back patch and the color of vest that youd actually wear, bc as much as i love Dio, not everyone is a fan so before buying a bunch of patches of bands your not a fan of, listen to the bands and do the reseach due, but like i said those are some tips for individuals reading this that want to take the “metalhead road”, but if thats not what you want to do then go for it, its no one’s decision but your own to make someone elses battle jacket, just make sure it doesn’t have diamonds or MC patches because they still exist and can get you caught up in bad situations. Ps: Just my two cents and advice coming from a dude who grew up a metalhead and my intention was not to knock anyone who wants to make this vest, its an incredible work of art and it belonged to a legendary guy. R.I.P Eddie
True, but this tutorial is specifically for cosplaying as Eddie. People who dress up like characters at conventions sometimes strive to be as accurate to how the character looks on-screen as possible and there's even contests for it. This is one of the most screen-accurate costumes I've ever seen, & it's basically for cosplayers not new metalheads.
@@duuuuuckk unfortunately with inflated shipping rates, I haven’t been able to do Itl. shipping. The cost of shipping would still out weigh the cost of the pin. The best thing I could recommend is to see if you know anyone with a 3D printer, and purchase the file I have available, to print it for you to finish. Sorry for the inconvenience at this time.
My Levi's jean jacket I used to make a future trunks cosplay worked great now I ripped the sleeves off and added patches now it's a eddie munson vest ! Sweet Tutorial! 👍
This is amazing! I've been working on making his jacket as well but I've been having trouble finding the Iron Maiden patch and the WASP pin, so thank you for including the links for everything!
Cool video. Working on one for cosplay as well as making my own. Using a black jacket but not removing the sleeves. I made a comment earlier on how to make the back patch a little better.
Cool video. Not sure if you are aware but use light weight fusable interfacing fabric on the back of the tshirt. Fuse it then cut out then sew on to the jacket. Tshirt wont sag and it will look alot better. Btw what paint did you use for the 3d printed pin?
if you want to have a real battle vest you sew each one of those on by hand while listening to the artist you are patching on or just metal in general \m/
I still have mine with a number of the beast back patch then smaller patches of venom metallica even had one that said fuck authority. Can't wear it no more but I'll never get rid of it. Good times and great memories.
The thing with these jackets is they are supposed to be all different. Pins and patches of your favorite bands. These were made not massed produced. And every single one of them was different.
That's fair but when it's for a costume like for many watching this video, I feel that it's fine to want it the same as the character if that makes sense?
@@justmejenny7986 I just mean this specific case…he is a character from a tv show, so people want to make his outfit…if they want their own unique battle jacket they can make one with their favorite bands, etc…but when you’re trying to recreate a character, you tend to want it to be accurate
Yeee- but in this instance, it’s a costume piece for an Eddie Munson cosplay. Usually people who cosplay try to look as close as they can to the character
I don’t think this is getting the praise it deserves for being so accurate and so well done! Great job! Eddie would be proud! Quick question, what color is the Levi’s vest labeled as?
where did you get the megadeth patch? the link you provided sent me to a page with an identical patch that was only 4'in x 1'in and your patch is much bigger than that.
Lol I still have my Levi 501 jacket from 1984, yes its sleeveless I cut the sleeves off in 85 after I caught my right sleeve on fire at a kegger . I'm tempted to see what people would offer for it on Ebay
Very good cosplay tutorial!! I'm using your video as reference for my own vest. Sadly I have to pass on the wasp pin because the shipping costs are too much from the store you linked and I can't find it anywhere else. Would be 50 dollars to ship to Germany 💀
I wouldn't iron on any of the patches cause at the first sign of sweat or any heat it will just fall off, defiantly sow if you're actually planning in wearing it, especially to gigs.
well done man! great attention to detail. I managed to figure out all of them on my own except the iron maiden one! so thank you!🙏 would you happen to know what kind of bracelet he wears? it looks like a vest extender possibly.
You can definitely get away with using a vest extender. I made mine since I couldn't find one like it, but it looks like half is chain and the other half is black leather with a button clasp. Hope this helps!
@@iixvicostumez no worries. one final question - where did you get your mercyful fate pin? I bought mine from the link in the description and it is waaaay too big. if I can find something more accurate I would like to. cheers!
Sick jacket! I’m going to try and make my own but I do have one question. How do you wash it? I wouldn’t want to put it in the washing machine and ruin the patches or anything
This is great! I'm having trouble finding a chain bracelet with that leather bit, could you link me it? Also what hellfire club shirt would you recommend?
Say what you like about stranger things but it's got my 14yo daughter listening to Mettallica and wanting to make a battle jacket. I couldn't be happier. 😊
I went to the links but they didn't mention the diameter of the Accept and Mercy Fate pins. I need to custom them because I can't order internationally, can you share the diameter? Or compare it to your coins if you can't?
a costume for some. a life style for the rest of us
And both for some.
tell me about it lol…
I know this seems so funny to me.
Right. Never watched stranger things, had to Google to find out who Eddie was and was like wtf
@@clairemckeown953 lol. No.
Honestly Eddie is a real one for making his back patch Dio
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Especially that badass Last in Line back patch
Yeah listen to the lyrics of that song, it makes sense to his character.
also that motörhead patch!! Lemmy is a god!
@Eddie My Love xx💗💗 fresh!
This kills me because it's exactly how us in the "freak group" dressed in Jr. High. I had a Master of Puppets patch tho. As my dad says, "Just keep wearing what you like and it'll eventually come back into style." ;)
I love this way of dressing. I finally got me a couple jackets, one blue and one black, got a little handful of patches from my friend, need a few more to fill it though 🙂
Your dad is a wise man.
just keep being you. screw what anyone thinks.
I've been dressing like that going on 10 years, no one gave a shit till eddie came along 😂
@@heisenbooger I'm sure a good amount did. Don't miss interpret different style with hate. Not everyone's gonna rock with this style because we all have sifferent styles. I would personally wear something like this if I had the chance but wouodnt feel very comfortable bc it just really isn't my style
This is the most detailed and most accurate cosplay tutorial I’ve ever seen! This actually makes me so frickin happy. It’s not one of those stupid knock offs or cheap “as close as you can get to the real one”, it is legit and SO good! THANK YOU!!!
Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
I was thinking the exact same thing, the level of detail to make sure every pin is correct and in the proper place. The Iron Maiden patch that I truly never even noticed, everything is spot on and incredible
I agree
But for the rest all is perfect
This isn't cosplay, it's an era and still carries on.
Motorhead, Megadeth, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Dio are my top 5 bands. Great taste Eddie
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Can't go wrong with them, there's a reason everyone knows them
Lmaooo
dude..
If anyone has the money to spend for a jacket directly from Levi, I recommend doing it, if you get the full jacket, you can cut the sleeves off and fray the edges were the sleeves used to be, giving it a more accurate look.
bro the vintage $98 one is 60% off in store at the levis store i paid $40 !!!! its the right color and everything! for the the full jacket!!! but its instore only and it has to be the levis store!!
Agreed! The form of the stitching on the Levis vests is very specific and gives the illusion of broader shoulders since it has a "V" shape (for us females who wanna cosplay him lol). So if y'all can invest in the trucker vest you can get a very accurate look.
@@shaggysrsg7861 no way, thanks for the tip !
I bought one to make a battle vest, and I highly recommend it
I bought my levi vest from Amazon since I'm a bigger dude, finding one my size in a thrift shop was hard af
As someone who is a proud owner of a Battle Jacket, this is an incredible work of art and its inspiring me to make another based on the 1980s metal era!!
fuck yeah!
really great guide and attention to detail! and for all the concerned metalheads commenting, yall know this is a cosplay/costuming channel right? this creator recreates costume pieces from media so even if a battle jacket/vest is part of metal culture, eddie himself is a fictional character,,,
The fact that you included the stitch length and width is like a rarity amongst all sewing videos on youtube. I hope you have the best day.
This was very cool. I knew so many guys for who this was a uniform back in the 80s, often the larger back patch would be safety-pinned all the way round so it could be switched out as their fave band changed (or they just didn't have a mom or gf who sewed lol)
I love how the gear I wore every day in the mid 80's is now a "costume" that people wear to cons, and events. I mean this genuinely because I thought it'd be far gone by now, lol. Mine was an Iron Maiden "Killers" back patch with more Iron Maiden pins, and a Slayer one on a Lee vest because it had wool insulated liner similar to flannel. Classic Levi's jackets didn't have a liner so the people that wore them froze their asses off without a jacket underneath, lol.
I'm still wearing one as a battle vest
this one is only a costume because its supposed to be part of a specific character's cosplay. regular old battlejackets havent gone anywhere. punks and metalheads alike are still rocking all our fav bands
I have a jacket like that but the Scorpions. Guitar player had a Dio one. These were so common in the 80's! Thank you for making this video! Teh cool thing is, these pins, Jewlery and patches are easy to fine all over the place, still being worn 35-40 years later!
Just watch someone (hot topic and the like) will jack the prices up for these kids doing the cosplay.
Oh they absolutely do and will for the foreseeable future, it’s Highway robbery but it’s the price we pay to look like some of our favorite characters 💀 that’s why (when I can) I enjoy going this more DIY route, plus it adds more to the cosplay imo
Wow I didn't even people peep the Megadeth and Iron Maiden patches! Awesome these are on the jacket. Still pissed Steve ditched it in the army surplus store
He actually didn’t he throws it back to Eddie in the RV
@@johnmaturo7950 this is true
I finished handsewing the DIO patch onto the back this morning, and I’m literally screaming. I haven’t got all of the other patches and pins in the mail yet, but I’ll be putting those on too as soon as I get them. I’m so excited.
The Motorhead patch is from 2002’s Hammered. Eddie must be a time traveler.
Wouldn't be too strange honestly
Poseurs wouldn't know tho
I think it existed before the album
@@NiRvAnA6890 it existed before the album…
As someone who is customizing their own personal jacket and hoping to make an Eddie cosplay in the future, this is such an incredible video!! The attention to detail is amazing!
Finished mine in October, been wearing it ever since. I added a couple additional patches; Corroded Coffin and Hellfire Club. Thanks so much for the tutorial!!
yo the additional patches are cool as fuck!! so in character too
I love the clip of Eddie bowing before the reveal so classy 👍😀
Excellent work and detail level!
Thanks!
This is SO good!! I'm definitely following your video to make my own!!! The detail is spot on
i love this so much 😍 i'm a huge fan of iron maiden and dio, when i saw eddie's jacket i immediately fell in live, thank for showing us how to make the jacket ourselves! 🤗
the only single detailed video on TH-cam thanks dude for homage to the legend eddie freaking munson.
Battle vests/jackets are ment to be a representation of one’s personal music taste and/or personality; sure you can bear appreciation for and individual’s personal vest, but it would be illogical and frowned upon in the metalhead community. By all means if you want to make someone else’s vest, who is anyone to stop you, but as you become more of a metalhead (if that is what you want to be) then the better move is to spend the money on patches of bands that describe more of your music taste and your favorite band as the back patch and the color of vest that youd actually wear, bc as much as i love Dio, not everyone is a fan so before buying a bunch of patches of bands your not a fan of, listen to the bands and do the reseach due, but like i said those are some tips for individuals reading this that want to take the “metalhead road”, but if thats not what you want to do then go for it, its no one’s decision but your own to make someone elses battle jacket, just make sure it doesn’t have diamonds or MC patches because they still exist and can get you caught up in bad situations.
Ps: Just my two cents and advice coming from a dude who grew up a metalhead and my intention was not to knock anyone who wants to make this vest, its an incredible work of art and it belonged to a legendary guy. R.I.P Eddie
well said, well said
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True, but this tutorial is specifically for cosplaying as Eddie. People who dress up like characters at conventions sometimes strive to be as accurate to how the character looks on-screen as possible and there's even contests for it. This is one of the most screen-accurate costumes I've ever seen, & it's basically for cosplayers not new metalheads.
Excellent video, thank you so much for the share! Just stocked more pins last night for all those Eddie’s out there ❤️🤘🎸
could you possibly put it on a different site since im in the uk and the delivery is £30 so the whole thing is £42 and thats quite a bit for a pin
@@duuuuuckk unfortunately with inflated shipping rates, I haven’t been able to do Itl. shipping. The cost of shipping would still out weigh the cost of the pin. The best thing I could recommend is to see if you know anyone with a 3D printer, and purchase the file I have available, to print it for you to finish. Sorry for the inconvenience at this time.
@@CelticRuinsDesigns oh ok, thats fine
My Levi's jean jacket I used to make a future trunks cosplay worked great now I ripped the sleeves off and added patches now it's a eddie munson vest ! Sweet Tutorial! 👍
Best homemade Eddie vest I have ever seen
This is amazing! I've been working on making his jacket as well but I've been having trouble finding the Iron Maiden patch and the WASP pin, so thank you for including the links for everything!
I spent sooooo long trying to identify rye patches and then this makes it so easy 🤣 awesome tutorial! I can't find the pig ring anywhere though 😭
This is INCREDIBLE!!!! WOW WOW WOW!!! Thank you so much for this!!!!! 🙌
Cool video. Working on one for cosplay as well as making my own. Using a black jacket but not removing the sleeves. I made a comment earlier on how to make the back patch a little better.
Great work.
Altough authentic battlevest patches are always sewn by hand. But i get that it's a cosplay.
I know what I'm doing this Halloween! Thank you
Just about half done with mine! Just added the Mercyful Fate, Accept, and Judas Priest pins!!
Dude. This was literally my high school outfit. I was a thrasher kid. Lol
Could you do links to the rest of his outfit too? This is sick man
@@daredonny22 why u so angry
I remember having a friend that had similar vest. He wore it for 10 years at least.
Cool video. Not sure if you are aware but use light weight fusable interfacing fabric on the back of the tshirt. Fuse it then cut out then sew on to the jacket. Tshirt wont sag and it will look alot better. Btw what paint did you use for the 3d printed pin?
Too bad I gave away my patches about 7 years ago now I carry each and every one of those groups in my heart and my favorite list. 🤟🤟
Hell, I've painted my own. Iron Maiden Number of the Beast and Purgatory album covers and a Metallica Ride the Lightning. I miss that stuff!
I'm dressing as eddie for halloween so I need this but I will 100% use this vest after the event
Woah dude I’ve loved your cosplays for the longest time! Very impressive work indeed!! 🤘
Don't know why I haven't checked out your youtube until now. Rad stuff 🔥
Thanks Annie!!
if you want to have a real battle vest you sew each one of those on by hand while listening to the artist you are patching on or just metal in general \m/
I still have mine with a number of the beast back patch then smaller patches of venom metallica even had one that said fuck authority. Can't wear it no more but I'll never get rid of it. Good times and great memories.
That's cool i might cosplay as Eddie Munson from Stranger Things soon
The thing with these jackets is they are supposed to be all different. Pins and patches of your favorite bands. These were made not massed produced. And every single one of them was different.
This is what I am doing using it as inspiration to make my own with my favorite bands
That's fair but when it's for a costume like for many watching this video, I feel that it's fine to want it the same as the character if that makes sense?
@@mollykatherine9905 except these are not costumes. Every generation keeps getting weirder.
@@justmejenny7986 I just mean this specific case…he is a character from a tv show, so people want to make his outfit…if they want their own unique battle jacket they can make one with their favorite bands, etc…but when you’re trying to recreate a character, you tend to want it to be accurate
Yeee- but in this instance, it’s a costume piece for an Eddie Munson cosplay. Usually people who cosplay try to look as close as they can to the character
Awesome, all i'm wondering now is where to get the same leather jacket.
Ive been looking for this in months thanks , for that ill sub and like
Yoo I'm from Instagram!
This is so cool and thank you for sharing to us where you get them!
Excellent guide. TY so much for this!
Amazing work!
Thank you!!
This channel is underrated
Thanks for the upload of this tutorial im making my first ever cosplay and this video helped out so much with getting the right bits for the jaket
They're called battle vests. If you're gonna join us, mean it.
This looks so cool 🤘🏻👏🏻💯 well done
I don’t think this is getting the praise it deserves for being so accurate and so well done! Great job! Eddie would be proud! Quick question, what color is the Levi’s vest labeled as?
Metalheads doing this since birth...now we have stranger things-tutorials...how mainstream could it be? Society: YES!
Hurts the heart…ain’t gonna lie…
Very well done!🤘👍🔥 ~Class of ‘85
Your channels subs is so Underrated
The back patches were not shirts back in the day you could ordered them out of the one of the magazines like Circus or Hit Parade and Rip
Where did you find the wasp pin
Even the rings and stitching?? I love how detailed this is, you’re amazing 😄
WOW!!! Very cool vest
It's crazy to see that maybe wearing my full maiden jacket won't look so weird now
where did you get the megadeth patch? the link you provided sent me to a page with an identical patch that was only 4'in x 1'in and your patch is much bigger than that.
Any Megadeth Patch around that size will work. They had 6 different vests used for the show and that patch specifically varies in size between them.
I like how you have to sew an Iron Maiden Eddie patch onto Eddie’s vest.
I was a teen in the 80s and I approve this message... 😁
Lol I still have my Levi 501 jacket from 1984, yes its sleeveless I cut the sleeves off in 85 after I caught my right sleeve on fire at a kegger . I'm tempted to see what people would offer for it on Ebay
Man this is amazing, thank you!
Very good cosplay tutorial!! I'm using your video as reference for my own vest. Sadly I have to pass on the wasp pin because the shipping costs are too much from the store you linked and I can't find it anywhere else. Would be 50 dollars to ship to Germany 💀
COOLEST THING EVER! Where'd you get the black jacket part?
I wouldn't iron on any of the patches cause at the first sign of sweat or any heat it will just fall off, defiantly sow if you're actually planning in wearing it, especially to gigs.
awesome work dude!
Beautiful vest there 🤘😎
If you buy a Medium jacket should you also get a medium Dio shirt as well?
amazing work! this looks insane
Thank you!!
I really need that WASP pin
Coming from an 80s metalhead, well done.
literally thank you do much
OMG Thank you so much for this!!
well done man! great attention to detail. I managed to figure out all of them on my own except the iron maiden one! so thank you!🙏 would you happen to know what kind of bracelet he wears? it looks like a vest extender possibly.
You can definitely get away with using a vest extender. I made mine since I couldn't find one like it, but it looks like half is chain and the other half is black leather with a button clasp. Hope this helps!
@@iixvicostumez it helps. Appreciate ya! 🤘
@@iixvicostumez happen to know where else I can find the Accept pin? It's sold out on eBay😟
@@zanestice1137 no, sorry :( those are the only ones I could find
@@iixvicostumez no worries. one final question - where did you get your mercyful fate pin? I bought mine from the link in the description and it is waaaay too big. if I can find something more accurate I would like to. cheers!
This is amazing 🔥
Thank you!!
@@iixvicostumez yw this is awesome I just ordered the hell fire t shirts
Sick jacket! I’m going to try and make my own but I do have one question. How do you wash it? I wouldn’t want to put it in the washing machine and ruin the patches or anything
1:37 what a photo 👏
This is great! I'm having trouble finding a chain bracelet with that leather bit, could you link me it? Also what hellfire club shirt would you recommend?
yeah same idk where to get the bracelet
Say what you like about stranger things but it's got my 14yo daughter listening to Mettallica and wanting to make a battle jacket.
I couldn't be happier. 😊
Meanwhile my daughter is playing Pass the Dutchie on repeat.
And yet SHE wants to cosplay Eddie & I'm cosplaying Argyle go figure
@@mystaplerisblue 🤣😂
u are an actual angel from above
Oh my gosh thanks !
The patches are the hardest part to find along with that wasp badge pin any pointers the rest I got
Did you get the leather bracelet and rings? Cant find those anywhere
I didn't realize he had a megadeth patch. My megadeth patch is on the shoulder on Mt Jean Jacket
I just got a hellfire shirt today and I have a old Jean jacket I made into a vest so I’m going to try to see if I can cosplay him
THIS. IS. MUSIIIIC!!!!
Wow tysm for making this!! IM HAVING MY MOM MAKE THIS FOR ME OVER THE WEEKEND LMAOOOO
If I grew out my hair way longer, and made this vest I could easily do an Eddie cosplay
HEAVY METAL FOR ALL!
I went to the links but they didn't mention the diameter of the Accept and Mercy Fate pins. I need to custom them because I can't order internationally, can you share the diameter? Or compare it to your coins if you can't?
I just finished making my own. Tons of people walk up to me wanting to know if I could make them one too.
That’s so Metal
Besides the church of Satan, the Leviathan Cross was used by King Diamond.
You should sew all patches because iron ons sometimes fall off