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Until the early 2000s - a lot of historians and scholars thought Michelangelo was not very well off. Rab Hatfield's book "The Wealth of Michelangelo" documents a lot of these misconceptions. But yes - it's true he was a rockstar in his day and was ultimately proven to be pretty wealthy. However - it's also true that he lived very frugal life despite being very rich - which is what led some to believe he didn't get paid very well for his masterpieces.
@Aiphiae Yeah, read "The Agony and The Ecstasy" by Irving Stone. That guy researched the living SHIT out of Michelangelo when he wrote the book and if HE couldn't find contradicting evidence, then almost nobody else could either. So this misunderstanding is totally...uh, understandable.
@@MindfulAttraction2.0 Fuck, you're telling me. That book is so good it makes you wanna quit reading. "That's it! I'll never read a book this good ever again! I quit!"
Is the idea of Michelangelo being a starving artist a common one? I don't think anyone who's been to Florence or Rome could believe it. Especially Rome, that city is basically shaped by that man.
Rich people aren't generous. Even when they give, they're paying for something that will benefit them somehow, so its still an investment with an expected return of sorts.
@@ziraprod6090 bruh you remind me of an old pretentious British chump during the revolutionary war sitting in a grand dinner hall around with a table of classy high nosed slobs commenting on the trend latest investment into their own needs
@@Letthesoulshine717 Of course. Few things in life are certain, but casinos make lots of money by having the odds in their favor by just a small amount.
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To be successful in Art world you need three things: 1. To work 8 hours daily. 2. To have many talent. 3. To have good luck. With these three things you will become a rich and famous artist. But you need the three things together. If you have only two of them, you will not get succes. :-)
I'm sorry but I disagree with the 8 hour rule I understand it's good to study long hours more practice the merrier but you should look out for yourself too get enough sleep exercise and live a balanced life otherwise your art won't look good Art needs to be enjoyed and taken time on and criticed by a optimist tutor Getting a job like gas station sales is important too cause its teaches you to set goals and to not over think things thus get things done efficiently you need to work hard not saying you shouldn't but to focus on health and safety and life skills priorities for the day before studying art so mind can be focused
@@Ostinat0 but if u mean friends who encourage not discourage I agree but it's up to us to learn their good qualities no one can be influenced by friends bad qualities indirectly unless wanted to from the get go but needed a bad influncer
Beautiful moral in your video. Great collection of history as well, thank you! Even Keith haring and Basquiat, Warhol and Madonna were close friends who found mega success through art. Beautiful.
Now a days you have to be a businessman and get straight A's in business he'll only get a c in art and you will still succeed but if you get and a in art and get C's in business you probably won't make it, sad but true.
"Real" artist don't starve is also bullshit as an actual fact. Some do , some don't. If you aren't able to support yourself 100% with your art it doesn't mean you aren't an artist or lacking talent.
This seems to be lacking any economic explanations for an artist's livelihood. We had artists in the video from before capitalism to 20th century artists when artwork is used to avoid taxes. We also had the decline of all sorts of craftsmen with industrialisation, so this avenue for artists has shrunk dramatically. Digital platforms have opened up lots of ways to put your work out there, but it also created a model where artists have to make things for free for years and incur all the risk in hopes people will buy from them. It has never been worse for artists.
I disagree with the basic idea that this video wants to share, however there are some others that I agree with, here are my coments on this: I agree that the work of an artist needs to be sold, needs some retribution. The market (in a wide definition) is the materialization of human relationships and a basic human thing, even though it need some regulation (More or less acording your political ideas). But she presents an outlook where everyone hates the idea (in a very basic way) of getting pay for your work or being influenced by a market. And she presents this view only to oppose it with the one that it's never really said but is the main idea of the video: that the market or the community or the hegemonic or trendy narrative is the main guiding axis to be follow when it comes to making art. And I think this idea remains when she talks about the groups thing, again opposing it whit some really superficial stereotype that no one uses today (except her). For the impressionist group to have not only success but a certain coherence, they first had to organize themselves around certain ideas and certain artistic approaches. Hearing her words it's almost like the only important thing is the groups and the market, when the real critical posture has been not to reject the market but not to be overwhelmed by it. That "myth" about the starving artist isn't that real. Look at some really famous figures like Picasso, Dalí, Warhol, Velázquez, Titian, Rafael and Michelangelo of course. All of them famous and rich. Finally I want to say that I find the idea that Michelangelo was a better negotiator than an artist repulsive.
Something we all have to remember is to invest in lad and something that is a passive income, so you have to worry less about where your next payment will come from. And make collections of art to expose;.
yeah , i know ... in man's reality the value of art is worthed more. but for me, as a #creationpainter, its priceless... like a moon that replicates and a mirror of what we call #earth....
Patronage in the 21st century is relegated to a close wealthy family member. I’ve travelled to a few countries over the years. (I am an artist 30+ yrs) and I have yet to meet an artist who isn’t a working poor person. Those who aren’t have a spouse who pays for their expenses, including owning a gallery. And Gatekeeping is the modus operandi. I do sell but mostly for self sustaining purposes. But when I traveled to the USA? My lord. Talk about luck
Sadly artists are very stupid when it comes of business. You for example believe that Michaelangelo was superior that all his contemporary when in fact he was just the same but he capitalized it better. Right now there are thousands of artists that have the same quality or even better than the most famous artist but they are dumb or unlucky when talking about business. Artists tend to be very stupid outside the art world. I'm an artists and I learned that the hard way and after years of suffering.
...Very vivid, fresh, poignant presentation, as others before in this series... It's surprising how rarely this happens. Usually, the talks are marred by cliches or ideology. Nothing of the sort here... ... a trifle... Domenico...e is accented.
You clearly didn’t watch the video mate. I spent the whole time taking about how to become an apprentice, advocate for your own worth, befriend other artists, establish a network, build a brand etc. And I gave you examples of how artists in history did just those things to make lots of money. If you don’t agree those methods make money then ok, why?
Real artists do starve, they also get rich and they also get just enough to survive. It's a very stupid and disrespectful thing to say real artists don't starve because they do and I know a lot of them.
Losers lose and winners win. Attitude makes the difference. I live in a relatively poor developing country and have seen artists thrive. I've seen artists here from some of the most prosperous nations in history complain about being poor. This video is not disrespectful. It motivates those who want to succeed and does not give any heed heed to defeatist mindsets and attitudes.
The problem with capitalism and art ist that the incentive for profit often destroys art. This is the most obvious in hollywood and the tripple A gaming industry, were many movies and games are just soulless commodities instead of artworks. The ressistance against this alienating experience shows itself in meme culture. By seizing copyrighted material to repurpose it in short lived inside jokes, meme culture flips the relation of consumer and producer on it's head! No company can just create and sell memes, memes are always a shared experience, if one tries to monopolize or copyright a meme, they will never succede and the joke would always be on them, therefor memes are the true art movement, the true opposition, the true counter revolution!
Hi everyone I've made a Discord for further discussions: discord.gg/4DWvahY94U. I'm also more likely to respond there as TH-cam comments aren't always the most ideal places for conversation. Thank you!
To become a rich and famous artist, you needed VIP. COMMUNICATION.
Love someone finally said artist make money so they can make more art.
Awesome video
Thanks! Glad you agree ^_^
Yeah, that’s logic that people didn’t respect . Maybe some artist not really thinking bout money, but they really need that to make art more..
Indeed
It seems that to be successful, you need to be a fine artist and also a successful businessperson.
Michaelangelo was a goddamn rock star in his day. Who the hell thought he was a lonely, impoverished, starving artist?
Until the early 2000s - a lot of historians and scholars thought Michelangelo was not very well off. Rab Hatfield's book "The Wealth of Michelangelo" documents a lot of these misconceptions. But yes - it's true he was a rockstar in his day and was ultimately proven to be pretty wealthy. However - it's also true that he lived very frugal life despite being very rich - which is what led some to believe he didn't get paid very well for his masterpieces.
@Aiphiae Yeah, read "The Agony and The Ecstasy" by Irving Stone. That guy researched the living SHIT out of Michelangelo when he wrote the book and if HE couldn't find contradicting evidence, then almost nobody else could either. So this misunderstanding is totally...uh, understandable.
@@Theomite that book was an absolute masterpiece
@@MindfulAttraction2.0 Fuck, you're telling me. That book is so good it makes you wanna quit reading. "That's it! I'll never read a book this good ever again! I quit!"
One of my favorite artist probably my favorite
Is the idea of Michelangelo being a starving artist a common one? I don't think anyone who's been to Florence or Rome could believe it. Especially Rome, that city is basically shaped by that man.
You need to spell out the relationship between artists and the patron. You need rich people in your lives...and they need to be generous.
Rich people aren't generous. Even when they give, they're paying for something that will benefit them somehow, so its still an investment with an expected return of sorts.
@@Theomite HAHAHAHA..... Oh, my. Silly, Silly, comment.. Truly. You win the dumbest comment ever.
Zira Prod that is true, art selling in millions is another way of money laundering
@@ziraprod6090 bruh you remind me of an old pretentious British chump during the revolutionary war sitting in a grand dinner hall around with a table of classy high nosed slobs commenting on the trend latest investment into their own needs
🌻🌷True words. 🌷🌻
Top level skill attracts buyers.
The more an artist's skill is recognized, the more he can charge.
not always
reality always@@Letthesoulshine717
Definetly no just look at for example Jeff Koons.
@@Letthesoulshine717
Of course. Few things in life are certain, but casinos make lots of money by having the odds in their favor by just a small amount.
To be successful in Art world you need three things:
1. To work 8 hours daily.
2. To have many talent.
3. To have good luck.
With these three things you will become a rich and famous artist. But you need the three things together. If you have only two of them, you will not get succes. :-)
You forgot have good friends :)
Well it does not have to be eight hours i5 should be when the work is finished and looks well. But eight hours if the best time
@@Ostinat0 what u mean please explain everyone is good they just have bad qualities but doesnt make them a bad person
I'm sorry but I disagree with the 8 hour rule I understand it's good to study long hours more practice the merrier but you should look out for yourself too get enough sleep exercise and live a balanced life otherwise your art won't look good
Art needs to be enjoyed and taken time on and criticed by a optimist tutor
Getting a job like gas station sales is important too cause its teaches you to set goals and to not over think things thus get things done efficiently you need to work hard not saying you shouldn't but to focus on health and safety and life skills priorities for the day before studying art so mind can be focused
@@Ostinat0 but if u mean friends who encourage not discourage I agree but it's up to us to learn their good qualities no one can be influenced by friends bad qualities indirectly unless wanted to from the get go but needed a bad influncer
I am beginning my art selling, this was so encouraging thank you.
T R O P I C A L Artpagan make alot of money
justin hunt thanks
How much moneh did you make
If only painters lived like rockstars...
There is no explanation on how to get rich as an artist.
Beautiful moral in your video. Great collection of history as well, thank you! Even Keith haring and Basquiat, Warhol and Madonna were close friends who found mega success through art. Beautiful.
I'm so happy to find out like this space!
Michelangelo got straight A's in art he was an artist some artists get cease and bees
Now a days you have to be a businessman and get straight A's in business he'll only get a c in art and you will still succeed but if you get and a in art and get C's in business you probably won't make it, sad but true.
Great time capsule of the past and the present artist journey. Thanks for sharing
"Real" artist don't starve is also bullshit as an actual fact. Some do , some don't. If you aren't able to support yourself 100% with your art it doesn't mean you aren't an artist or lacking talent.
This seems to be lacking any economic explanations for an artist's livelihood. We had artists in the video from before capitalism to 20th century artists when artwork is used to avoid taxes. We also had the decline of all sorts of craftsmen with industrialisation, so this avenue for artists has shrunk dramatically. Digital platforms have opened up lots of ways to put your work out there, but it also created a model where artists have to make things for free for years and incur all the risk in hopes people will buy from them. It has never been worse for artists.
I know you got Money & saw the House you live in....Round Doors are not Cheap.
your channel is incredible.
I disagree with the basic idea that this video wants to share, however there are some others that I agree with, here are my coments on this:
I agree that the work of an artist needs to be sold, needs some retribution. The market (in a wide definition) is the materialization of human relationships and a basic human thing, even though it need some regulation (More or less acording your political ideas).
But she presents an outlook where everyone hates the idea (in a very basic way) of getting pay for your work or being influenced by a market. And she presents this view only to oppose it with the one that it's never really said but is the main idea of the video: that the market or the community or the hegemonic or trendy narrative is the main guiding axis to be follow when it comes to making art.
And I think this idea remains when she talks about the groups thing, again opposing it whit some really superficial stereotype that no one uses today (except her).
For the impressionist group to have not only success but a certain coherence, they first had to organize themselves around certain ideas and certain artistic approaches. Hearing her words it's almost like the only important thing is the groups and the market, when the real critical posture has been not to reject the market but not to be overwhelmed by it.
That "myth" about the starving artist isn't that real. Look at some really famous figures like Picasso, Dalí, Warhol, Velázquez, Titian, Rafael and Michelangelo of course. All of them famous and rich.
Finally I want to say that I find the idea that Michelangelo was a better negotiator than an artist repulsive.
Art is life here on eARTh 🌍😎
Something we all have to remember is to invest in lad and something that is a passive income, so you have to worry less about where your next payment will come from. And make collections of art to expose;.
yes artist are millionires....of ideas and love of passion...really it don't starve but somehow generous.
Great video...right to the points/facts with a nice, clear voice. Thank you.
ok so this is the second video I enjoyed, so I just subscribed. Enjoy watching your videos, thank you
I don't want to earn by painting...I want to famous which types of drawing should I learn....portraits,scenaries or what else
You're thinking is all wrong.
@@DanNic88 why .. being famous is being known ... its not a crime to want to be known
I was a Hotdog & Instant Noodles Artist
Now I'm a Prime Rib & Instant Noodle Artist.
Thanks for the video and for mentioning the book
Real easy: Get rich and famous first, then take up being an artist.
Great artists don't need themself to be great. They're simply just great.
Incredible video. Anazingly put together.
Thank you very much for this video!
Oh, that's what's up!
I make money selling paintings but it's not a fortune, I don't really care because that's not why you do it.
1 of the greatest mystery of the world
These artists earned every penny they made!
she is shaking her had so much, while she is talking^^
Thank you
Thank you.
So how did they become famous??
Reading Rainbow!
@@omarbain6927 Lol!!
Great video!!!
for what?
yeah , i know ... in man's reality the value of art is worthed more. but for me, as a #creationpainter, its priceless... like a moon that replicates and a mirror of what we call #earth....
Patronage in the 21st century is relegated to a close wealthy family member. I’ve travelled to a few countries over the years. (I am an artist 30+ yrs) and I have yet to meet an artist who isn’t a working poor person. Those who aren’t have a spouse who pays for their expenses, including owning a gallery. And Gatekeeping is the modus operandi.
I do sell but mostly for self sustaining purposes.
But when I traveled to the USA? My lord. Talk about luck
clickbait title
more and more people become dishonest!
This is really cool
So Michelangelo was a damn liar🤣
Ok, how do you build a sustainable career?????
I really want to thank you for making this video.
Add to the title, while still alive.
Michaelangelo was a better businessman than artist? Is that some kind of joke that I am not getting? Or just silly hyperbole?
Some really stupid idea, she has never really seen a work by him, despite she may think so.
Sadly artists are very stupid when it comes of business. You for example believe that Michaelangelo was superior that all his contemporary when in fact he was just the same but he capitalized it better. Right now there are thousands of artists that have the same quality or even better than the most famous artist but they are dumb or unlucky when talking about business.
Artists tend to be very stupid outside the art world. I'm an artists and I learned that the hard way and after years of suffering.
@@TheGoodContent37 You nailed it
love the channel but this video is really annoying me. Who ever thought michelangelo was poor? !!!
☀️🌻Thank you very much for the interesting art movie . 🌻☀️
I'm a muslim, I'm from Pakistan and my dream is to be an successful artist, pray for me😊🤗
michael-angelo???!!!! ahahahaha
...Very vivid, fresh, poignant presentation, as others before in this series... It's surprising how rarely this happens. Usually, the talks are marred by cliches or ideology. Nothing of the sort here...
... a trifle... Domenico...e is accented.
The video never delivered on its promise, it just said ‘be sure to make money’ and didn’t offer a single how to
You clearly didn’t watch the video mate. I spent the whole time taking about how to become an apprentice, advocate for your own worth, befriend other artists, establish a network, build a brand etc. And I gave you examples of how artists in history did just those things to make lots of money. If you don’t agree those methods make money then ok, why?
Real artists do starve, they also get rich and they also get just enough to survive. It's a very stupid and disrespectful thing to say real artists don't starve because they do and I know a lot of them.
Losers lose and winners win. Attitude makes the difference. I live in a relatively poor developing country and have seen artists thrive. I've seen artists here from some of the most prosperous nations in history complain about being poor.
This video is not disrespectful. It motivates those who want to succeed and does not give any heed heed to defeatist mindsets and attitudes.
what most parents don't tell their children... ^^;
The problem with capitalism and art ist that the incentive for profit often destroys art.
This is the most obvious in hollywood and the tripple A gaming industry, were many movies and games are just soulless commodities instead of artworks.
The ressistance against this alienating experience shows itself in meme culture.
By seizing copyrighted material to repurpose it in short lived inside jokes, meme culture flips the relation of consumer and producer on it's head!
No company can just create and sell memes, memes are always a shared experience, if one tries to monopolize or copyright a meme, they will never succede and the joke would always be on them, therefor memes are the true art movement, the true opposition, the true counter revolution!
Hi thanks for a useful video here. Please realise that the book the wealth of michaelangelo rab hatfield 2002 book is UNAVAILABLE!!!!!!!! WHY?????
Be born rich, go to art school.
1:23 the hell?
Parenting and luck. Talent ain't shit. Picasso's father was art teacher. GSP's father was into martial arts.
hmmm
Squeaky voice alert 🚨
Person who has nothing value to contribute to in a TH-cam comment alert 🚨😉
Born Rich & famous
🇨🇭👋🏻💎🎨
What happened to the Stone Ages where you can just murder people better than you and become the best by default?
Ah the good old days.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You should practice speaking in the mirror and learn to talk without moving your head so much. ;-)
Worse video on earth. Maybe even mars.
What a boring reading... yaaawn