@@MichelleBlue-vp1yo remember miss Evelyn said she didn't like therapy because she didn't like anyone telling her when she was wrong, during the iyanla vanzant episode!
Tamar and Ms. Evelyn is actually the same. The only difference is that Tamar expressed her pain and trauma and Ms. Evelyn manipulates the others to do her bidding. You are absolutely on point with Towanda. Towanda is manipulative and the snake Traci labeled her.
Isn't it? The way at therapy she act like nothing, even tho it's her daughter who died, then blew up in a meltdown shouting I lost my daughter. Which is it? Tamar reacts the same way
The best analysis of any family I've ever seen on TH-cam. Your breakdown of each of the Braxton women is spot on. I told my daughter years ago when the show first aired that none of the women besides Tracie would ever have a good relationship with a man. The other sisters always lived near the mom who had control and influence. Ms. Evelyn still holds bitterness and misery for her ex-husband. She says she is a Christian woman, who at one point was preaching, but still displaying hatred for her ex-husband and his wife. You're right, lack of emotional intelligence, and maturity for a woman her age. This season of the Braxton is so very hard to watch (that's why I don't) because it's filled with guilt of how terribly they treated Tracie on camera, from Ms. Evelyn, Toni, Towanda, Trina, and Tamar. That mascot (as you called her) was begging for their love and acceptance. She wanted to fill their closeness and love. Didn't get that from them until she got sick.
@@vocalzchordz2416 the sisters were mad at Traci for not cutting off her relationship with their dad after they mom and dad divorced, Traci said it truthfully to her sisters, he is still our father and that's mom and dad relationship and marriage ❗🤷
Definitely when they tried to play with the father Traci started cussing and was ready to fight for even her stepmom & I knew then that those were HER parents she was very protective because they took care of her when everybody else turned their backs
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer I think had the sisters were younger miss Evelyn would have taken her kids so he could never see them, but at the time of the divorce they were grown except for Tamar i think she was still in highschool but the rest of them were grown, but miss Evelyn still managed to warp them girls minds into following her and take her side except for Traci ❗
Sadly, she represents a lot of the older women young black women engage with growing up. As you get older, you learn that that many were/are operating from a space of bitterness or unhealed trauma, which informed how they connected with or guided us. You can't really hold it against them, but when you learn better, it really shows itself when you engage with them. The Braxtons are a magnifying glass to many of our families. Thank God for therapy and growth.
Yes, my mother. She's 70, and arguing is her form of communication. Not agreeing with her, stating your opinion, and telling her "no" , is all seen as disrespect.
Traci was the scapegoat. Miss E is getting on my nerves. Miss E is your stereotypical older black woman chasing after men. What I would have loved to see is her taking scuba diving classes, taking different courses, learning something, traveling around the world. You are right. Miss E is living vicariously through her daughters. She triggers me. I will not be watching the show. It's too depressing. And they're using Tracy and her son as content. The one who family member who has escaped the generational curse or cycle is their niece who is living in Spain, Ashley. I saw her TH-cam video. She is so smart and example of growth, maturity and healing. Miss E is a narcissistic mother. She is trying to be the black. Kris Jenner. And look what's happening to the Kardashians. As you can see, I am the scapegoat in my family. LOL. I am on my healing journey 💪🏾.❤
This right here is what I try to get women to understand about toxic generation curse in the black families w the daughters. The content creator of this video is speaking wisdom
I too think that Ms. E is the quintessential Black mother with little to no emotional intelligence. I believe that she loves her daughters (not sure of her relationship with Michael Jr.) But she has a significant stronghold over them. She controls them emotionally. She communicates with them as if they are still in elementary school. They acquiesce to whatever she requests; sort of like small children. I think that when Mr. Braxton left her she lost her sense of identity; and because she could no longer control Mr. Braxton she made controlling her girls’ lives her priority. Ms. E and Tamar are one in the same; close your eyes and other than their voices, you are getting the same person. Ms. E is the very adult version of Tamar.
I thought she infantilises them, too, and will disrespect them but can’t handle being challenged. Like when everyone was fighting with Tamar in season 2, and Tamar chose to remove herself from the situation. Only a few days later to have her mother show up at her house to pick a fight with her and threaten to slap her in her face in her home. Or in season one when Tamar had house rules and said none of the rules apply to their mother and she said “I know that’s right, baby”. Iyanla and Michael Sr. also clocked it. I think Tamar acts out Evelyn’s emotional trauma, but I don’t think they’re one and the same.
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer Nope. She has to realize and accept that something is wrong and she doesn’t come across as the type of parent who will to me.
When I watch those sisters react when Ms E gets angry and starts to go off tells me everything I need to know. They are afraid of her and what she's going to do, especially Trina.
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer she's the go along get along @olderthantheinternet EVERYTHING you said. You can tell she was a strict disciplinarian, and if the cameras were not in her face, she would possibly let loose.
When I told folks Miss E has childhood issues from being given away( read Toni’s book) she has BEEN mean and angry, I was chopped up. Plus no mother is going to talk to me like a child, slap the piss out of me etc. lol nope my family didn’t move like that
Not to mention the fact that Ms. E got a divorce from the man she claims she can't stand, but didn't give him back his last name. So yeah, she's not over the divorce, but she IS benefiting from that "Braxton" name.
Disclaimer: I’m NOT coming for you I see comments like this often when women get divorced, particularly if they’re celebrities or celebrity adjacent, and I’m always confused by it. Notwithstanding all of Miss E.’s character traits/flaws, she was married to this man for over 30 years and gave him 6 kids; why would she “give him back his last name” when that’s her last name as well? It’s something that always baffles me when I see/hear it! *steps down off of my soapbox
@@SweetSerenity_247 I agree. I got married young and was married longer than I had my birth name. For that reason and because it is the name my children have, I kept my married name after I divorced. Besides what does it mean to "give back a name". I don't get the time back I was married to him and all the shit I put up with. Just saying.
@@canderson5240 exactly! I feel you on all of this! Like I said, I hear it a LOT (PARTICULARLY from women) and I’m genuinely trying to understand the thought process behind it. I can understand if it’s a woman that was only married for a short time, no kids, etc (although I still don’t agree that she should feel compelled to go back to her maiden name) but we’re talking about a woman who LITERALLY help put the Braxton name on the map! 🤷🏽♀️
💕 It make’s no sense how Ms E want go on with her life and starting with forgiving Mr Braxton, not for him necessarily, but so she can properly heal and for the daughter’s to be able to move on in healthier relationship’s. 💕
Just a few things to share b/c I read Toni's biography: Ms. E is originally from South Carolina & was sent to live with her maternal aunt in Maryland when she was young. Toni didn't fully disclose in her book but alludes to some issues in the family that impacted the relationship between Ms. E and her mother. Ms. E suffered a serious back injury at some point resulting in Toni having to step into the role of a pseudo parent to her younger siblings while their mother recovered from her medical/physical trauma (an extended period of time). The Braxtons siblings were raised in a very religious environment as PK's. Mr. Mrs. Braxton met, dated, and married in their late teens with Ms. E. giving birth to Toni when she as a 19 year old wife. MY OPINION: Ms. E's life was the church and her nucleus family having married young and started having children soon after. Ministry dominated the family dynamics so religious culture influenced her thought process as well. (Institutional Christianity doesn't encourage EQ or IQ at all). 🥴 Mr. Braxton, on Iyanla: Fix My Life, alluded to Ms. Braxton as being verbally abusive & didn't handle things well when she didn't get her way (Ahab & Jezebel relationship). I suspect that Ms. E has unhealed childhood trauma from being a poor black girl from the South. She, like many black women of her generation (she was born in 1948), live in survival mode with many of them having a nice/nasty disposition. All of the Braxton daughters mirror her personality, yes, even Toni although she presents as mild in her communication. So, the betrayal of Mr. Braxton's adultery, their divorce in 2000, and him marrying his mistress IS adult trauma she has yet to confront & heal from. There isn't one episode that Ms. E. is introspective about how she contributed to the decline of the marriage. I think it was easier to use Mr. Braxton's adultery & their parents divorce as an exaggerated storyline for ratings. However, I believe they all are still wounded, to a degree, from it although they were adults when Mr. & Ms. Braxton divorced. Heck, Whitney Houston's parents kept up a united front for a public image but were actually divorced. Ms. Cissy had an affair with their Pastor. 🫢 In general, a lot of children/youth aren't parented to have emotional intelligence, good communication and conflict resolution skills, and financial literacy. We as an ethnic group continue to be impacted by hundreds of years of white supremacy in America as the descendants of enslaved Africans, and the pervasive wealth gap that continues to exists. We can find The Braxtons in many Black religious families in America but it's just that they chose to air their issues and family dynamics out via Reality TV. 🤷🏾♀️ *Ms. E's home in Atlanta has been shown several times during BFV episodes. She's a Life Coach, wrote a cookbook, and has a cooking show with Tamar so she has a few streams of income now but was left financially dry from the divorce*.
So I was right about a lot of what I said. Based on her early life Mrs. E has a lot of unresolved trauma. Marrying young, having Toni, heavily religious, etc. Toni has been very parentified. I’ve never heard of Mrs e being a life coach. I still think financially the girls have been supporting her. When parents don’t heal…they end up pouring that pain into their children.
@@ms.j.2961 this was good insight. I am from a large family and I notice some similarities. However, after learning more about Ms. E makes things more clear. The lack of emotional intelligence during some of these episodes has been astounding.
@@TheInnerchild.Whispererthey featured her home and her venturing into life coaching in the earlier series. I was surprised at the time because she didn’t exhibit qualities such as introspection, acceptance and reflection to be helping people work on their own lives. I’ve also had an issue with her nice nasty side, the overwhelming bitterness she exudes, how she reconciles her faith with her unforgiveness towards her ex husband and that temper of hers. Whilst I appreciate she’s been through a lot I find it hard to be too empathetic because she has the money and means to access therapy and do the work.
She really messed up her daughter while still riding the backs of her daughters. She's even trying to look like Beyonce's Mom. She's sooo angry. Return to your Gospel roots for your sake and the sake of your daughters. You can do this. Forgive your husband and set yourself free. You can do this.
U broke that down sis!!! I just think reality t.v isn't for us. But it's a way that the industry opens up the door to get a bag. So what are we to do without génération wealth???? & no reperations. A lot of us have issues, and it stems for Slavery. But getting back to the Braxtons, they needed a plan before coming back to TV. Mrs Evelyn wanted the show to continue when she should be in therapy. Tamar and Tony didn't want to do it. The other 2 need a check so they will do anything. It's just sad .
They all fall back into the roles they were when they were kids when they're together around their mother. I think they should all just explore their individuality and focus on their nuclear families. Toni: Too much was put on her to take her sisters along with her on her success. That wasn't fair and I feel like she still resents her sisters and mother for that. But I also feel like she thinks she's better than them. The initial show helped Toni just as much as it did some of her sisters (career wise). She was more of a provider than the golden child. Traci: She and Tamar are/were much alike. I disagree about her being the glue. Had any other sister died, it'd still be the same - like a piece is missing from the puzzle. I feel like she was a supporting cast member or an extra in the background. The one that went along for families sake (re encouraging Toni to take the solo deal). She probably did carry alot of hurt and disappointment and just wanted to be loved. Towanda: She's mean. She's evil. And I don't like her, never have. She's the only one I agree with you on. They're afraid of her because they know her wrath. When Towanda doesn't like you, she'll come for you STRONG! I truly believe she's an instigator, and very good at hiding her hands (I still remember that she's the one that gave Loni a heads up that Tamar will be discussing her firing from The Real on BFV, resulting in a cease and desist or something of that nature). She's also very good at getting people to do her dirty work (there were times on the show when Trina and Traci had no issues with Tamar, but as soon as Towanda said something, then everyone would suddenly have an issue with Tamar). She's more like her mother in my opinion. I also believe that she's the one pulling the strings. She's mean and evil! (Whatever happened to her suing Vince for the theme song?). I will say though, I don't think she will ever come for Toni or Trina or any of their ex/spouses. Those two are her favourites. Trina: I don't have much to say about her except that she's a fence rider. The 'neutral' one 🙄. But she also has some viciousness in her that comes out every now and then. Wasn't it once said on the show that Trina was her mother's favourite? Tamar: I won't lie, I have a soft spot for Tamar. Like I said, she and Traci were/are much alike. There's alot of pain and hurt there, but she's also got a very big heart which I feel at times gets taken advantage of. She's very 'loud' I feel because she just wants to be heard. I alot of times cringe when she takes a left on social media, but then I get it. Maybe because I'm a Tamar, get those emotions out, we'll deal with the consequences later. I feel like her feelings/opinions are dismissed in the family because 'oh that's Tamar, she's the baby'. She's not treated like the adult that she is. Disclaimer: I don't know these people, just commenting on the characters they portray and chosen to show on the show.
Yes, ma’am, you have hit everything on the nail it stems from the mother she shows no affection whatsoever towards these girls. Yes, they should’ve been hugging on that boy putting their arms around and consoling him nothing and I noticed when the other ones were cry, nobody would console them either so it starts with E.
ms.E is still angry with mr Braxton because he didn't want to fight for their marriage. She has not moved on from the love and and the betrayal of him.
What’s weird to me is when Tamar took sick that time Miss E said it would’ve k ill ed her if she would’ve loss Tamar BUT she’s at peace with Traci’s passing.
I think it was a little different with Traci because during the counseling she said she almost lost Traci three times so IMO it was like she has grieved for Traci multiple times before she actually passed. Idk .I'm just speculating 🤷🏾♀️
I never paid too much attention to it back in the day, but I saw one reviewer say that Ms E seemed to treat Traci different because Traci kept a good relationship with her father and didn’t take on the anger their mom tried to instill in the rest of the sisters. I don’t really remember the relationship she had with her dad, but that could be part of it. Also, it’s interesting that she was the only one who stayed married. Toni, I feel she carries a lot of resentment towards her family for having had to work so much in her life. Which is interesting to me that now, instead of relaxing, she’s choosing to work even more. Side note, the premier season just wrapped up, but I would have loved to hear your analysis of “Family Empire: Houston” on OWN. That was a pretty interesting show.
I hear everyone talk about Ms E and maybe it is warranted but the dad, the preacher, the elder, the man , the dad…no one says anything about him as a culprit in the dysfunction.
I think bc for 13 years we've only seen Ms. E (at least from my perspective). I would discuss him and I knew more about him. I think Me E has not allowed him to really be apart of the show
The dad did his dirt nd apologized, but Ms. E just can't move on after 25 yrs . He's been married to Ms. Wanda too long for his daughters to still not accept her all because of their mother . Traci, neva gave up having a relationship him nor his wife, and I think that mad her the blacksheep.
Evelyn B was a stay at home mother, right? With all those children I suspect she was; and because she was she never explored who she really is besides being a wife and mother. So she lives vicariously through her daughters’ lives. Though Trina might have failed ventures, she’s still has an identity whereas Evelyn doesn’t have the guts to try. Evelyn is too hog down in holding onto bitterness. (And I hate to say that when it comes to a black woman but in this case, she is.)
They have filmed in Mrs. E home look at previous seasons. I agree with your assessment of the women. If you saw previous seasons you would have a longer analysis probably. I think Traci has the best life . Tamar wrote them about doing the show. Pretty good analysis.
To Be Honest With You I Do Feel Ms. Evelyn Is Traumatized Herself Ms. Evelyn Did A Interview Years Ago She's Did Say That Mr. Braxton Was Her First Everything To Be Honest With You I Think That Allegedly Ms. Evelyn Allegedly Is Not Over Mr. Braxton I Think That Allegedly Ms. Evelyn Went To School To Become Life Coach My Thing Is How Ms. Evelyn Going To Help SomeBody She's Is Traumatized Herself
Look at Tamars body language during the group session when her and Towanda was going back and forth. Tamar was practically hiding behind her mom at one point. Which leads me to agree that Towanda is controlling the narrative. Towanda was also the main reason Kevin came to Atlanta for his mom’s birthday celebration. She should have encouraged him to take care of business first rather than him come to a last minute celebration. Then tried to clean it up by asking Kevins ex to ask for a postponement. Im truly praying for Kevin Jr.
I feel like a lot of women who stay in marriages after the husband has traumatized them become emotionless just to remain in their marriages. They do that to put up a fence of protection from their husband because they know he will cheat or beat again. The kids get scare from both parents in this situation and the mom shows no affection towards the children because she’s fighting her own battle in the marriage. It’s so f’d up.
The fish stinks from the head down… lol😅 like Ms. Iyanla said. Its appears that it is more oftentimes than not that women just cannot take accountability. Just because we stayed in trauma too long… you have to take accountability for your own actions. Allowing someone to hurt you is an action you are doing to yourself. 🤦🏾♀️
I hate how she uses her role as their mother to manipulate them into submission, so much so that they cannot openly discuss the root causes of their issues. I can't imagine what it must have been like to grow up in a household where your parent was ALWAYS right.
Would definitely love a Part 2 to focus on Michael Sr. & Michael Jr. Michael Jr feels like to me hes not a part of the family. Towanda is most like her mother to me. Trina is the nuetral one maybe because she's lost. I think Towand and Trina are close because Trina goes along with Towanda. I remember when Trina was on Iyanla Fix My Life. She did speak to her learning how to treat her husband at that time Gabe was from her mother. That episode was so telling. Could we talk about Toni more. Toni seems disconnected from her family. How does her parenting experience influence how she shows up if she shows up. Great anslysis.
I agree with your analysis. I like the way you broke it down. I believe Ms. Evelyn is still bitter and hurt from the divorce. Her daughter’s even knows it, but they will not bring it up. It’s the elephant in the room. It’s important that families find a way to talk about sensitive topics such as divorce and not ignore them as if they’re going to disappear. What role does their dad and brother play in this family saga? I hardly ever hear anything from their brother on the show.
@@niecyj.1782 Lmao, like…I’m wondering if they have a moment to where they just be like, “You know what? I’m getting sick of you. LOOK….” Lmaoo, OR is that against the rules to do that? Lmao
Thank you for the video. ***Can you please do series on black mothers--The God complex that black folks have around their mother's and the dishonesty that goes on in families because they (adult children) are scared to talk to their mothers about; like the Braxton's do, scared to be honest with mothers in fear of hurting them. Not telling the truth to our mother's in a disrespectful way but in an honest way so that deep healings can take place in our families.
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer I guess I should have added that I was raised by a covert narcissist mother so I'm familiar with how she presents to the world. Thank you for this channel.
Ms. E does not want her daughters to find who she is. She does not want her kids to know how weak and out of touch she is. I know this because my mother is Ms. E.
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer we need more on how she ruined these women for the men in their lives and now they are free to continue to fund her lifestyle. I’m trying to not go in on her because it is a show and it can be edited but something about her is not passing the smell test.
Something was definitely off with Traci and Miss E. When the girls had walked out on the show and Traci was still on, she called her mom and her mom said I didn’t know we were shooting today. But Traci said she just wanted to call or stop by or something. So I seem like the mom and she did not really have an off camera relationship.
tbh Ms.E probably already traumatized them daughters before the divorce. That man left her after all of them were grown. He said she was mean the whole marriage. that doesn’t excuse the cheating. However, I would bet money the divorce isn’t the worse of those daughters trauma
Yes she is very much toxic and has a lot of masculine energy. That is why her daughters have a lot of dysfunction. It is not an issue that her daughters takes care of her. I don’t see an issue with that because they can afford to.
You can’t believe what they say, these people are fake they really don’t know love for real love I never saw Bitter Betty hug or kiss none of them I mean real
Hi. I really enjoyed you. I normally don’t like many reviewers but you are spot on! My favorite sibling is Towanda. For some reason I don’t care much for Miss E. Maybe I just don’t know her.
Great commentary! My first time here. I think I would enjoy hearing you break down the book. I am the baby in my family, but I am nothing like Tamar. I think in order for them to heal, the mother will have to let her guard down and show herself getting therapy, which I think Iyanla tried to do, but it didn't work. The mother never wants herself to be shown in a bad light. Some paper here In Atlanta, showed, Ms. E has a beautiful condo in Buckhead part of Atlanta. They showed the mom at home on the Braxton's Family Values, or maybe she was at someone's else home, can't remember.
Ms. E wanted to have a Clair Huxtable type light, but Tamar and Tracy did not fall in line. They were themselves, tamar tries to act but she can’t stay in character long enough. Tracy was the rawest one. They both brought texture to the show and made it appealing to viewers. So it was tolerated, but now Tracy is gone. Tamar can’t hold views alone, she is too problematic. So it looks like they are hoping to hold on to the views through Tracy, but they can’t do it without her son (he has the control of her likeness). It’s unfortunate that his grief and strained relationships are being weaponized and used to further their agenda.
100%. Listen, Ms E said I had many conversations with Tracy about the will. She's the one with her own issues with her cheating husband projected to make Traci betray her husband. BTW he didn't move on fast. He had an affair with his second wife for 10 years before getting caugh and still married to her to this day. Also I don't feel the sisters actually needed to get the show back Ms E on the other hand wanted the fame and attention.
Can you break down season 5 ep 24 when they confronted their dad and his wife in Mexico? I just watched it back and I keep thinking to myself why are they carrying their mother's burdens. They blame their dad for not putting them first by excluding the wife but never ask their mom to put them first by being civil.
@TheInnerchild.Whisperer i kept seeing clips pop up so I started rewatching from season 1. At first I thought Tamar was the issue but now I think their mom puts them in terrible positions. They are so engulfed in their parents divorce and the mom encourages it. It can't be healthy
They said that lady Mr. Braxton with was actually a woman from The church that their mother was friends with and she used to come over and babysit them and cook and help around the house. So that's why their mother probably isn't over it because it wasn't just like he left and moved on with another woman. This woman broke up their whole family. They also have stated that their mother was kind of like Joe Jackson when they were little making them practice singing and such. At that point you know it's about money and fame and she always just sits there and says "Look at God"🙄
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer Yes I wish I could remember what season it was on but they stated this in one of the episodes. Also one of Tamar's hit songs was written for her mother about that situation specifically. I believe it was the "My Man" song those lyrics were something like she ate dinner at my table and even watched my kids etc. I don't think she would ever.......get over it.
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer I do. Toni, I''m the oldest, so I have to be responsible one. I'm Towanda, because I feel like I have to be the fixer. ( My Mom is the oldest daughter which makes me one of the oldest cousins.) Which can make her look like a villain at times. She holds secrets. Tracy, I'm funny, I'm clowning at the party to hide, I'm throwing the party, I'm wanting everyones' approval. Trina, when I'm emotional. Leave me alone. I am actually on my way stop drinking as we speak. It makes up for the hugs I really want. (My Mom raised me to be tough. She always said, because I would be alone in this world.) She raised a monster. I can cut my emotions on and off like a faucet. Tamar, I gets real bratty. Especially when my Mom is around. BUT I also, know what it really is because I was/am everyones' favorite. Whether they admit it or not.
I’m an advocate for them all, because I like all of’em. I’m not gon lie, though. More often than not, Miss E comes off a lil slow in the mind to me. I don’t want to say ‘special ed, but in some of the scenes, I feel like Miss E has a few screws loose. I hate how disrespectful my response is, but that’s my truth about her.
I don't think she is a toxic parent I just feel like she didn't know she didn't have the knowledge and understanding of what life had to offer such as rasing kids with a husband as a pastor we are all guilty of that there is no perfect way to raise a child their mother just don't have the knowledge of a lot of things but it's not her fault
Mrs. E is 76 . I think she is a great mother. Her children are successful. Who are you to judge the Braxtons. Toni is the Ambassador of Braxtons. What’s going on with you and yours?
I think Mrs E still don’t trust Towanda since stole that money from her. Go back and look at that old show Starting Over that’s Iyala had that Towanda was on. Towanda sounded like Tracey back then.
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what role do you play in your own family?
I'm the Traci.
@@beverlysanders1462 the “lost” one ?
I'm the third from the baby.
@@leticiasmith226 so middle child?
I'm also an introvert and all that they do on the show would drive me crazy
Evelyn literally manipulating the hell out of her own daughter's she the one who really need to be in therapy all by her damn self
@@MichelleBlue-vp1yo 💯💯
no lies told smh
@@mwilliams3587 💯💯
All but Traci nd that was a problem cause she didn't leave her father side like other one's nd I think that's why they couldn't show her any love.
@@MichelleBlue-vp1yo remember miss Evelyn said she didn't like therapy because she didn't like anyone telling her when she was wrong, during the iyanla vanzant episode!
Tamar and Ms. Evelyn is actually the same. The only difference is that Tamar expressed her pain and trauma and Ms. Evelyn manipulates the others to do her bidding. You are absolutely on point with Towanda. Towanda is manipulative and the snake Traci labeled her.
Thank you
Isn't it? The way at therapy she act like nothing, even tho it's her daughter who died, then blew up in a meltdown shouting I lost my daughter. Which is it? Tamar reacts the same way
@@IaneHowe theres no emotional regulation
They've showed her home many times! ATL....
The best analysis of any family I've ever seen on TH-cam. Your breakdown of each of the Braxton women is spot on. I told my daughter years ago when the show first aired that none of the women besides Tracie would ever have a good relationship with a man. The other sisters always lived near the mom who had control and influence. Ms. Evelyn still holds bitterness and misery for her ex-husband. She says she is a Christian woman, who at one point was preaching, but still displaying hatred for her ex-husband and his wife. You're right, lack of emotional intelligence, and maturity for a woman her age. This season of the Braxton is so very hard to watch (that's why I don't) because it's filled with guilt of how terribly they treated Tracie on camera, from Ms. Evelyn, Toni, Towanda, Trina, and Tamar. That mascot (as you called her) was begging for their love and acceptance. She wanted to fill their closeness and love. Didn't get that from them until she got sick.
Thank you for your positive words. I wished we could’ve saw more healing this season.
Out of all the sisters, it looked like Traci had the best and most realist relationship with her dad. It just seemed more genuine on camera to me.
I believe it. Thats why she was outcasted...well one of the reasons
@@vocalzchordz2416 the sisters were mad at Traci for not cutting off her relationship with their dad after they mom and dad divorced, Traci said it truthfully to her sisters, he is still our father and that's mom and dad relationship and marriage ❗🤷
Definitely when they tried to play with the father Traci started cussing and was ready to fight for even her stepmom & I knew then that those were HER parents she was very protective because they took care of her when everybody else turned their backs
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer I think had the sisters were younger miss Evelyn would have taken her kids so he could never see them, but at the time of the divorce they were grown except for Tamar i think she was still in highschool but the rest of them were grown, but miss Evelyn still managed to warp them girls minds into following her and take her side except for Traci ❗
@@lesliebarber206 some ppl said Tamar was an adult. Idk but I think she saw the most of her mothers’ anger after the divorce being the youngest
Sadly, she represents a lot of the older women young black women engage with growing up. As you get older, you learn that that many were/are operating from a space of bitterness or unhealed trauma, which informed how they connected with or guided us. You can't really hold it against them, but when you learn better, it really shows itself when you engage with them. The Braxtons are a magnifying glass to many of our families. Thank God for therapy and growth.
Big magnifying glass!
Yes, my mother. She's 70, and arguing is her form of communication. Not agreeing with her, stating your opinion, and telling her "no" , is all seen as disrespect.
@@kayrup3712 Sounds like Gen X
Well said... Thanks for your insight!
@kayrup3712 I know the feeling... My mother is 88 and I have experienced the same all my life.
Traci was the scapegoat.
Miss E is getting on my nerves. Miss E is your stereotypical older black woman chasing after men. What I would have loved to see is her taking scuba diving classes, taking different courses, learning something, traveling around the world.
You are right. Miss E is living vicariously through her daughters. She triggers me.
I will not be watching the show. It's too depressing. And they're using Tracy and her son as content.
The one who family member who has escaped the generational curse or cycle is their niece who is living in Spain, Ashley. I saw her TH-cam video. She is so smart and example of growth, maturity and healing.
Miss E is a narcissistic mother. She is trying to be the black. Kris Jenner. And look what's happening to the Kardashians.
As you can see, I am the scapegoat in my family. LOL.
I am on my healing journey 💪🏾.❤
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This right here is what I try to get women to understand about toxic generation curse in the black families w the daughters. The content creator of this video is speaking wisdom
Thank you so much. I tried so hard to educate people with my videos. 💕
I too think that Ms. E is the quintessential Black mother with little to no emotional intelligence. I believe that she loves her daughters (not sure of her relationship with Michael Jr.) But she has a significant stronghold over them. She controls them emotionally. She communicates with them as if they are still in elementary school. They acquiesce to whatever she requests; sort of like small children. I think that when Mr. Braxton left her she lost her sense of identity; and because she could no longer control Mr. Braxton she made controlling her girls’ lives her priority. Ms. E and Tamar are one in the same; close your eyes and other than their voices, you are getting the same person. Ms. E is the very adult version of Tamar.
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@@beverlysanders1462 do you think change it’s possible for miss e?
I thought she infantilises them, too, and will disrespect them but can’t handle being challenged. Like when everyone was fighting with Tamar in season 2, and Tamar chose to remove herself from the situation. Only a few days later to have her mother show up at her house to pick a fight with her and threaten to slap her in her face in her home. Or in season one when Tamar had house rules and said none of the rules apply to their mother and she said “I know that’s right, baby”. Iyanla and Michael Sr. also clocked it. I think Tamar acts out Evelyn’s emotional trauma, but I don’t think they’re one and the same.
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer Nope. She has to realize and accept that something is wrong and she doesn’t come across as the type of parent who will to me.
I wonder who was financing Ms E's life? The daughter who pays is the daughter who is loved!
There’s a reason why Michael jr don’t come around
I’m curious about him
@@TheInnerchild.Whispererright. I want to know how he views growing with all sisters and the things that he saw
@@niecyj.1782 me too.
Ms.E has been broken since the show Started l see why Mr. Braxton left her and all them Sister are Sick because of Ms . E they need to get off Tv
@@SurprisedDahliaFlower-oo3wq I think she can use some healing but I don’t like to refer to ppl as “broken”
When I watch those sisters react when Ms E gets angry and starts to go off tells me everything I need to know. They are afraid of her and what she's going to do, especially Trina.
@@pinkhoney4312 Trina is def trying not to make anyone mad
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer she's the go along get along @olderthantheinternet EVERYTHING you said. You can tell she was a strict disciplinarian, and if the cameras were not in her face, she would possibly let loose.
@@pinkhoney4312 very strict!
@@TheInnerchild.WhispererI wonder if that plays a role in her relationship with her husband. She seems to become timid around him.
@@kayrup3712 Good Question
Amazing Analysis! Always felt the girls act the way they do because of Ms. Evelyn. Hurt people hurt people smh.
Thank you for the positive words about my video 💕
When I told folks Miss E has childhood issues from being given away( read Toni’s book) she has BEEN mean and angry, I was chopped up. Plus no mother is going to talk to me like a child, slap the piss out of me etc. lol nope my family didn’t move like that
@@LisaLisaCJ oh I’ve never heard her book. That makes A LOT OF SENSE
Not to mention the fact that Ms. E got a divorce from the man she claims she can't stand, but didn't give him back his last name. So yeah, she's not over the divorce, but she IS benefiting from that "Braxton" name.
You got that right! 💕💕💯
Disclaimer: I’m NOT coming for you
I see comments like this often when women get divorced, particularly if they’re celebrities or celebrity adjacent, and I’m always confused by it. Notwithstanding all of Miss E.’s character traits/flaws, she was married to this man for over 30 years and gave him 6 kids; why would she “give him back his last name” when that’s her last name as well? It’s something that always baffles me when I see/hear it!
*steps down off of my soapbox
@@SweetSerenity_247 I agree. I got married young and was married longer than I had my birth name. For that reason and because it is the name my children have, I kept my married name after I divorced. Besides what does it mean to "give back a name". I don't get the time back I was married to him and all the shit I put up with. Just saying.
@@canderson5240 exactly! I feel you on all of this! Like I said, I hear it a LOT (PARTICULARLY from women) and I’m genuinely trying to understand the thought process behind it. I can understand if it’s a woman that was only married for a short time, no kids, etc (although I still don’t agree that she should feel compelled to go back to her maiden name) but we’re talking about a woman who LITERALLY help put the Braxton name on the map! 🤷🏽♀️
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💕 It make’s no sense how Ms E want go on with her life and starting with forgiving Mr Braxton, not for him necessarily, but so she can properly heal and for the daughter’s to be able to move on in healthier relationship’s. 💕
She’s emotionally stagnant
Just a few things to share b/c I read Toni's biography:
Ms. E is originally from South Carolina & was sent to live with her maternal aunt in Maryland when she was young. Toni didn't fully disclose in her book but alludes to some issues in the family that impacted the relationship between Ms. E and her mother.
Ms. E suffered a serious back injury at some point resulting in Toni having to step into the role of a pseudo parent to her younger siblings while their mother recovered from her medical/physical trauma (an extended period of time).
The Braxtons siblings were raised in a very religious environment as PK's. Mr. Mrs. Braxton met, dated, and married in their late teens with Ms. E. giving birth to Toni when she as a 19 year old wife.
MY OPINION:
Ms. E's life was the church and her nucleus family having married young and started having children soon after. Ministry dominated the family dynamics so religious culture influenced her thought process as well. (Institutional Christianity doesn't encourage EQ or IQ at all). 🥴
Mr. Braxton, on Iyanla: Fix My Life, alluded to Ms. Braxton as being verbally abusive & didn't handle things well when she didn't get her way (Ahab & Jezebel relationship). I suspect that Ms. E has unhealed childhood trauma from being a poor black girl from the South.
She, like many black women of her generation (she was born in 1948), live in survival mode with many of them having a nice/nasty disposition. All of the Braxton daughters mirror her personality, yes, even Toni although she presents as mild in her communication.
So, the betrayal of Mr. Braxton's adultery, their divorce in 2000, and him marrying his mistress IS adult trauma she has yet to confront & heal from. There isn't one episode that Ms. E. is introspective about how she contributed to the decline of the marriage.
I think it was easier to use Mr. Braxton's adultery & their parents divorce as an exaggerated storyline for ratings. However, I believe they all are still wounded, to a degree, from it although they were adults when Mr. & Ms. Braxton divorced. Heck, Whitney Houston's parents kept up a united front for a public image but were actually divorced. Ms. Cissy had an affair with their Pastor. 🫢
In general, a lot of children/youth aren't parented to have emotional intelligence, good communication and conflict resolution skills, and financial literacy. We as an ethnic group continue to be impacted by hundreds of years of white supremacy in America as the descendants of enslaved Africans, and the pervasive wealth gap that continues to exists.
We can find The Braxtons in many Black religious families in America but it's just that they chose to air their issues and family dynamics out via Reality TV. 🤷🏾♀️
*Ms. E's home in Atlanta has been shown several times during BFV episodes. She's a Life Coach, wrote a cookbook, and has a cooking show with Tamar so she has a few streams of income now but was left financially dry from the divorce*.
So I was right about a lot of what I said. Based on her early life Mrs. E has a lot of unresolved trauma. Marrying young, having Toni, heavily religious, etc. Toni has been very parentified.
I’ve never heard of Mrs e being a life coach. I still think financially the girls have been supporting her. When parents don’t heal…they end up pouring that pain into their children.
@@ms.j.2961 this was good insight. I am from a large family and I notice some similarities. However, after learning more about Ms. E makes things more clear. The lack of emotional intelligence during some of these episodes has been astounding.
@@TheInnerchild.Whispererthey featured her home and her venturing into life coaching in the earlier series. I was surprised at the time because she didn’t exhibit qualities such as introspection, acceptance and reflection to be helping people work on their own lives.
I’ve also had an issue with her nice nasty side, the overwhelming bitterness she exudes, how she reconciles her faith with her unforgiveness towards her ex husband and that temper of hers.
Whilst I appreciate she’s been through a lot I find it hard to be too empathetic because she has the money and means to access therapy and do the work.
Excellent, thoughtful analysis
@@ONEOFAKINDSISTAH that’s funny. Originally my thumbnail said nice nasty 😂 decided to tone it down
Thank you! Reality and Narrative are totally different things!
Absolutely!
She really messed up her daughter while still riding the backs of her daughters. She's even trying to look like Beyonce's Mom. She's sooo angry. Return to your Gospel roots for your sake and the sake of your daughters. You can do this. Forgive your husband and set yourself free. You can do this.
Set yourself FREE
Just came across your channel, love that you’re a therapist giving your professional assessment of each Braxton. On point. 🌟
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They deserve for the show to be canceled for the way they hurt Traci. I would watch paint dry before I watch that show ever again.
It’s almost as if they think we forgot how they treated her
Karmic times do come.
U broke that down sis!!! I just think reality t.v isn't for us. But it's a way that the industry opens up the door to get a bag. So what are we to do without génération wealth???? & no reperations. A lot of us have issues, and it stems for Slavery. But getting back to the Braxtons, they needed a plan before coming back to TV. Mrs Evelyn wanted the show to continue when she should be in therapy. Tamar and Tony didn't want to do it. The other 2 need a check so they will do anything. It's just sad .
I don’t think it’s for US but we make the shows…we are the main characters but I feel like producers see that and manipulate us or treat us bad.
I thought I was the only one who saw it starts with the mother, Miss E. I think she, to a degree, manipulates her kids very badly.
They’re all so wounded
They all fall back into the roles they were when they were kids when they're together around their mother. I think they should all just explore their individuality and focus on their nuclear families.
Toni: Too much was put on her to take her sisters along with her on her success. That wasn't fair and I feel like she still resents her sisters and mother for that. But I also feel like she thinks she's better than them. The initial show helped Toni just as much as it did some of her sisters (career wise). She was more of a provider than the golden child.
Traci: She and Tamar are/were much alike. I disagree about her being the glue. Had any other sister died, it'd still be the same - like a piece is missing from the puzzle. I feel like she was a supporting cast member or an extra in the background. The one that went along for families sake (re encouraging Toni to take the solo deal). She probably did carry alot of hurt and disappointment and just wanted to be loved.
Towanda: She's mean. She's evil. And I don't like her, never have. She's the only one I agree with you on. They're afraid of her because they know her wrath. When Towanda doesn't like you, she'll come for you STRONG! I truly believe she's an instigator, and very good at hiding her hands (I still remember that she's the one that gave Loni a heads up that Tamar will be discussing her firing from The Real on BFV, resulting in a cease and desist or something of that nature). She's also very good at getting people to do her dirty work (there were times on the show when Trina and Traci had no issues with Tamar, but as soon as Towanda said something, then everyone would suddenly have an issue with Tamar). She's more like her mother in my opinion. I also believe that she's the one pulling the strings. She's mean and evil! (Whatever happened to her suing Vince for the theme song?). I will say though, I don't think she will ever come for Toni or Trina or any of their ex/spouses. Those two are her favourites.
Trina: I don't have much to say about her except that she's a fence rider. The 'neutral' one 🙄. But she also has some viciousness in her that comes out every now and then. Wasn't it once said on the show that Trina was her mother's favourite?
Tamar: I won't lie, I have a soft spot for Tamar. Like I said, she and Traci were/are much alike. There's alot of pain and hurt there, but she's also got a very big heart which I feel at times gets taken advantage of. She's very 'loud' I feel because she just wants to be heard. I alot of times cringe when she takes a left on social media, but then I get it. Maybe because I'm a Tamar, get those emotions out, we'll deal with the consequences later. I feel like her feelings/opinions are dismissed in the family because 'oh that's Tamar, she's the baby'. She's not treated like the adult that she is.
Disclaimer: I don't know these people, just commenting on the characters they portray and chosen to show on the show.
Very thorough comment
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Baby ALL👏🏾OF👏🏾THIS!!! All of it!
I remember in one of the shows where Traci said Towanda was a snake.
@@canderson5240 I remember that also
Yes, ma’am, you have hit everything on the nail it stems from the mother she shows no affection whatsoever towards these girls. Yes, they should’ve been hugging on that boy putting their arms around and consoling him nothing and I noticed when the other ones were cry, nobody would console them either so it starts with E.
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ms.E is still angry with mr
Braxton because he didn't want to fight for their marriage. She has not moved on from the love and and the betrayal of him.
I agree emotionally she has not moved on.
Towanda…responsible 🤔 how many times has she filed bankruptcy and needed someone to provide shelter and transportation for her family
In all honesty, they’ve all filed bankruptcy multiple times 😔
I’m tired of being lied to about Towanda as well
These ladies are set in their ways. I don't see much real improvement with them. They may to love from a distance.
@@kenntrin sometimes that’s how you protect your peace
Miss E and Michael Sr. got married young,she was 17 and he was 18
I figured that. He’s the only man she’s ever loved
Toni and mostly tamar have been taking care of Ms. E. But in their defense Toni refuses for her mother to work
😫😫😫 Toni needs to retire
What’s weird to me is when Tamar took sick that time Miss E said it would’ve k ill ed her if she would’ve loss Tamar BUT she’s at peace with Traci’s passing.
Miss e seems like she compartmentalizes feelings
I think it was a little different with Traci because during the counseling she said she almost lost Traci three times so IMO it was like she has grieved for Traci multiple times before she actually passed. Idk .I'm just speculating 🤷🏾♀️
@@tbrown4284 maybe 🤷🏾♀️ but as a mother, it wouldn’t matter how many times I almost loss my child, actually losing them would break me
@@TheRealMrsCarteryea..everyone handles things differently but Ms. E just seems stone cold. Maybe she acts differently with the cameras off 🤷🏾♀️
@@tbrown4284 probably so. Some people don’t like to show weakness publicly
I never paid too much attention to it back in the day, but I saw one reviewer say that Ms E seemed to treat Traci different because Traci kept a good relationship with her father and didn’t take on the anger their mom tried to instill in the rest of the sisters. I don’t really remember the relationship she had with her dad, but that could be part of it. Also, it’s interesting that she was the only one who stayed married.
Toni, I feel she carries a lot of resentment towards her family for having had to work so much in her life. Which is interesting to me that now, instead of relaxing, she’s choosing to work even more.
Side note, the premier season just wrapped up, but I would have loved to hear your analysis of “Family Empire: Houston” on OWN. That was a pretty interesting show.
I agree with everything you said.
I tried to watch that show but didn’t get past the first episode. I’ve been discussing LAMD a little on TT.
I hear everyone talk about Ms E and maybe it is warranted but the dad, the preacher, the elder, the man , the dad…no one says anything about him as a culprit in the dysfunction.
I think bc for 13 years we've only seen Ms. E (at least from my perspective). I would discuss him and I knew more about him. I think Me E has not allowed him to really be apart of the show
The dad did his dirt nd apologized, but Ms. E just can't move on after 25 yrs . He's been married to Ms. Wanda too long for his daughters to still not accept her all because of their mother . Traci, neva gave up having a relationship him nor his wife, and I think that mad her the blacksheep.
They’ve been divorced longer than they were married
Who?
Evelyn B was a stay at home mother, right? With all those children I suspect she was; and because she was she never explored who she really is besides being a wife and mother. So she lives vicariously through her daughters’ lives. Though Trina might have failed ventures, she’s still has an identity whereas Evelyn doesn’t have the guts to try. Evelyn is too hog down in holding onto bitterness. (And I hate to say that when it comes to a black woman but in this case, she is.)
@@regisnyder a lot of women lose their identities to being mothers. We don’t talk about it enough
They have filmed in Mrs. E home look at previous seasons. I agree with your assessment of the women. If you saw previous seasons you would have a longer analysis probably. I think Traci has the best life . Tamar wrote them about doing the show. Pretty good analysis.
I’ve watched all the seasons. I don’t make long videos. I think who had/has the best life is subjective
This is a hobby for me.
Look at Tamara it's not her fault that she presents herself just who she really is on or off the camera
tamar seems like the most transparent sister.
To Be Honest With You I Do Feel Ms. Evelyn Is Traumatized Herself Ms. Evelyn Did A Interview Years Ago She's Did Say That Mr. Braxton Was Her First Everything To Be Honest With You I Think That Allegedly Ms. Evelyn Allegedly Is Not Over Mr. Braxton I Think That Allegedly Ms. Evelyn Went To School To Become Life Coach My Thing Is How Ms. Evelyn Going To Help SomeBody She's Is Traumatized Herself
Hard to get over your 1st everything
Yea I e noticed this years ago thanks for speaking on this. Generational curses must be broken
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Look at Tamars body language during the group session when her and Towanda was going back and forth. Tamar was practically hiding behind her mom at one point. Which leads me to agree that Towanda is controlling the narrative. Towanda was also the main reason Kevin came to Atlanta for his mom’s birthday celebration. She should have encouraged him to take care of business first rather than him come to a last minute celebration. Then tried to clean it up by asking Kevins ex to ask for a postponement. Im truly praying for Kevin Jr.
oh you noticed that
They love Toni and Tamar because they are the famous ones,Trina is a go long to get along, Towanda thinks she the older one and Traci made the show
Traci def made the show!
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer Traci was my favorite of all these.
Yes I watched it for Traci I had a mom like miss E but l was a daddy girl my parents were together that was a blessing
Evilyn is the root of the problems reminds me of my grandmother
She’s a reflection of a lot of ppls elders
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer yes it’s SO sad
Hurt mothers hurt the whole bloodline
Aint this the TRUTH
Remember iyanla told them mis e was the problem. Not in a judgemental way but because she never healed..
@@avis9544 her unhealed self shows up A LOT on screen
I feel like a lot of women who stay in marriages after the husband has traumatized them become emotionless just to remain in their marriages. They do that to put up a fence of protection from their husband because they know he will cheat or beat again. The kids get scare from both parents in this situation and the mom shows no affection towards the children because she’s fighting her own battle in the marriage. It’s so f’d up.
That is true. But I’m not sure those were exactly the dynamics here.
The fish stinks from the head down… lol😅 like Ms. Iyanla said. Its appears that it is more oftentimes than not that women just cannot take accountability. Just because we stayed in trauma too long… you have to take accountability for your own actions. Allowing someone to hurt you is an action you are doing to yourself. 🤦🏾♀️
We don’t talk enough about women struggling to take accountability
Towanda is definitely the instigator.
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I hate how she uses her role as their mother to manipulate them into submission, so much so that they cannot openly discuss the root causes of their issues. I can't imagine what it must have been like to grow up in a household where your parent was ALWAYS right.
Stressful, traumatizing, exhausting.
Completely agree with all of this. Love your refreshing perspective on this situation!
Subbing now. You’re a fresh of breath air. lol.
Thank you so much!
Wait. I was so excited. Lol. I meant that you’re a breath of fresh air.
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@@xPROGNOSISx 💕💕 I gotchu
Would definitely love a Part 2 to focus on Michael Sr. & Michael Jr. Michael Jr feels like to me hes not a part of the family. Towanda is most like her mother to me. Trina is the nuetral one maybe because she's lost. I think Towand and Trina are close because Trina goes along with Towanda. I remember when Trina was on Iyanla Fix My Life. She did speak to her learning how to treat her husband at that time Gabe was from her mother. That episode was so telling. Could we talk about Toni more. Toni seems disconnected from her family. How does her parenting experience influence how she shows up if she shows up. Great anslysis.
Idk enough about those two
I agree with your analysis. I like the way you broke it down. I believe Ms. Evelyn is still bitter and hurt from the divorce. Her daughter’s even knows it, but they will not bring it up. It’s the elephant in the room. It’s important that families find a way to talk about sensitive topics such as divorce and not ignore them as if they’re going to disappear.
What role does their dad and brother play in this family saga? I hardly ever hear anything from their brother on the show.
I would like to speak on the father and bro but there’s nothing really out there. The bro daughter has done some interviews but nothing really else.
Traci was the real one
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Thats deep!!! We are seeing inside of Ms. E through her daughters
FRFR
Not sure how your channel, but I am so glad I did! You are on point with this whole break down. 💯👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 New subscriber here. 😊
Thanks and welcome ✨✨💕💕
I thought this family was really together but now it seems that they discuss one issue and 3 more pop up. It’s painful to watch them go at each other
theres a lot of trauma
As a therapist, do you ever just READ someone in a session because you’re sick of them? Or are you not allowed to?
😂😂😂 people pay me to read them lol
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer Lmaoo, no, I mean, like…go OFF and be like, “You know what? You….” Lmao, like go OFF and READ?!
@@SamDavidJr 😂😂😂
@@SamDavidJryou made me holler because therapist who's a male checks me. All thee time! Hasn't cussed me out.......yet😮😊
@@niecyj.1782 Lmao, like…I’m wondering if they have a moment to where they just be like, “You know what? I’m getting sick of you. LOOK….” Lmaoo, OR is that against the rules to do that? Lmao
Thank you for the video.
***Can you please do series on black mothers--The God complex that black folks have around their mother's and the dishonesty that goes on in families because they (adult children) are scared to talk to their mothers about; like the Braxton's do, scared to be honest with mothers in fear of hurting them. Not telling the truth to our mother's in a disrespectful way but in an honest way so that deep healings can take place in our families.
I started one…but it wasn’t getting traction so I stopped. Maybe I’ll
Pick it up again
Ms. E comes off to me as a covert narcissist.
Idk her personally so I can’t say she is one
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer I guess I should have added that I was raised by a covert narcissist mother so I'm familiar with how she presents to the world. Thank you for this channel.
Why is that no one holds the dad accountable. Miss E has her issues, but imo it started with the dad.
Don’t know about but him.
Ms. E does not want her daughters to find who she is. She does not want her kids to know how weak and out of touch she is.
I know this because my mother is Ms. E.
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Tracy was DEFINITELY the glue. Tge storykine IS Tracy. Its si sad tgst theyll do anything for money. Iyanya is orobabky just shaking her head.
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This is good ❤
Thank you
Loved your take!
Thank you
You really need to do a part two please. Please!
💕💕 on what aspects?
Yes! I want more! lol
@@xPROGNOSISx on what topic
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer we need more on how she ruined these women for the men in their lives and now they are free to continue to fund her lifestyle. I’m trying to not go in on her because it is a show and it can be edited but something about her is not passing the smell test.
@@BabySwearWords 😂😂😅 smell test?
That is me i tried to keep our family together but i don't have a relationship with no family member its sad it takes every body
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She’s one of the angriest mom’s I’ve ever seen.
naww tokyo Toni is worse
@@TheInnerchild.Whispereryes Toni is a trash parent. I wouldn't claim her
You really did a fantastic job on this story
💕💕🫂💪🏾 thank you so much
Love this x
Thank you!
In a word; yes.
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Something was definitely off with Traci and Miss E. When the girls had walked out on the show and Traci was still on, she called her mom and her mom said I didn’t know we were shooting today. But Traci said she just wanted to call or stop by or something. So I seem like the mom and she did not really have an off camera relationship.
@@lisampeeler8294 I can believe it
tbh Ms.E probably already traumatized them daughters before the divorce. That man left her after all of them were grown. He said she was mean the whole marriage. that doesn’t excuse the cheating. However, I would bet money the divorce isn’t the worse of those daughters trauma
No its not the worst part of their trauma
Tamar said she was 11 when they were separated
@@nzingacellphone8764 everyone has said a different age so idk
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer this is what i was gonna say.. they have said so many ages.. so who knows
I remember one season where Miss E. said that she was raised by an aunt or something. I think they were having a family reunion.
Hmmm idk about that
Yes she is very much toxic and has a lot of masculine energy. That is why her daughters have a lot of dysfunction. It is not an issue that her daughters takes care of her. I don’t see an issue with that because they can afford to.
Don’t they file bankruptcy a few times? 🤔😪 like EVERYONE…maybe except
Tamar
Love the continent chain ❤
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You can’t believe what they say, these people are fake they really don’t know love for real love I never saw Bitter Betty hug or kiss none of them I mean real
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Hi. I really enjoyed you. I normally don’t like many reviewers but you are spot on!
My favorite sibling is Towanda. For some reason I don’t care much for Miss E. Maybe I just don’t know her.
@@nappyscribe1987 thank you 💕💕
Towanda is the one most ppl don’t like 😅
Great commentary! My first time here. I think I would enjoy hearing you break down the book. I am the baby in my family, but I am nothing like Tamar. I think in order for them to heal, the mother will have to let her guard down and show herself getting therapy, which I think Iyanla tried to do, but it didn't work. The mother never wants herself to be shown in a bad light. Some paper here In Atlanta, showed, Ms. E has a beautiful condo in Buckhead part of Atlanta. They showed the mom at home on the Braxton's Family Values, or maybe she was at someone's else home, can't remember.
@@greenteamoton3274 glad you found this channel 😌😌
Tamar mother is similar to Michael Jackson Mother
Oh a good comparison
Ms. E wanted to have a Clair Huxtable type light, but Tamar and Tracy did not fall in line. They were themselves, tamar tries to act but she can’t stay in character long enough. Tracy was the rawest one. They both brought texture to the show and made it appealing to viewers. So it was tolerated, but now Tracy is gone. Tamar can’t hold views alone, she is too problematic. So it looks like they are hoping to hold on to the views through Tracy, but they can’t do it without her son (he has the control of her likeness). It’s unfortunate that his grief and strained relationships are being weaponized and used to further their agenda.
A lot of weaponized trauma here
When the show first started, it was Vincent Herbert who funded it and I believe it was his idea also
@@lisampeeler8294 I thought it was Tamar’s idea
100%. Listen, Ms E said I had many conversations with Tracy about the will. She's the one with her own issues with her cheating husband projected to make Traci betray her husband. BTW he didn't move on fast. He had an affair with his second wife for 10 years before getting caugh and still married to her to this day. Also I don't feel the sisters actually needed to get the show back Ms E on the other hand wanted the fame and attention.
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You should always take care of your mother. I am divorced but I know my sons will always take care of their mother and I tell them that they should
I think it depends on the relationship
How she jumped up and ran after Tamar…. I know they got whooped
oh for SURE
Can you break down season 5 ep 24 when they confronted their dad and his wife in Mexico? I just watched it back and I keep thinking to myself why are they carrying their mother's burdens. They blame their dad for not putting them first by excluding the wife but never ask their mom to put them first by being civil.
Wow, you went all the way back
@TheInnerchild.Whisperer i kept seeing clips pop up so I started rewatching from season 1. At first I thought Tamar was the issue but now I think their mom puts them in terrible positions. They are so engulfed in their parents divorce and the mom encourages it. It can't be healthy
@ maybe I’ll re watch some of the episodes
They said that lady Mr. Braxton with was actually a woman from The church that their mother was friends with and she used to come over and babysit them and cook and help around the house. So that's why their mother probably isn't over it because it wasn't just like he left and moved on with another woman. This woman broke up their whole family. They also have stated that their mother was kind of like Joe Jackson when they were little making them practice singing and such. At that point you know it's about money and fame and she always just sits there and says "Look at God"🙄
WOW i didn't know all this about the church relationships
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer Yes I wish I could remember what season it was on but they stated this in one of the episodes. Also one of Tamar's hit songs was written for her mother about that situation specifically. I believe it was the "My Man" song those lyrics were something like she ate dinner at my table and even watched my kids etc. I don't think she would ever.......get over it.
@@FAIthInYAHDialogue hmm didn’t know that
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Mr braxton ran out of that house😂😂😂😂😂😂 these women are frightening 😂😂😂😂
He moved on fast
Where can I get the tshirt you're rockin?
IG: messinabottle
When they all went on Iyanla, she said a fish stinks from the top, to the bottom.🤷
Yes she did 🐟🐟🐟
I love the t-shirt 😍
@@ta-tanyshadavid3856 thank you
Im a mixture of Trina and Traci for sure. More of Traci for sure though
@@ASHTHECHOSEN interesting 🤔
@@ASHTHECHOSEN sounds like a lot of conditioning happened in your childhood
You are beautiful, classy sister. Of course I will subscribe to your channel. Keep on the good job. 👏
Thanks for subbing!😍
Something to think about good thought on Mrs E and daughter feeling 💔💔
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I'm all of them. I'm an only child.
interesting you feel them all
@@TheInnerchild.Whisperer I do. Toni, I''m the oldest, so I have to be responsible one. I'm Towanda, because I feel like I have to be the fixer. ( My Mom is the oldest daughter which makes me one of the oldest cousins.) Which can make her look like a villain at times. She holds secrets. Tracy, I'm funny, I'm clowning at the party to hide, I'm throwing the party, I'm wanting everyones' approval. Trina, when I'm emotional. Leave me alone. I am actually on my way stop drinking as we speak. It makes up for the hugs I really want. (My Mom raised me to be tough. She always said, because I would be alone in this world.) She raised a monster. I can cut my emotions on and off like a faucet. Tamar, I gets real bratty. Especially when my Mom is around. BUT I also, know what it really is because I was/am everyones' favorite. Whether they admit it or not.
Parent, wife. Ex wife, castmate, grandmother, female.
Oops, what was the question???
@@gloriacato7761 😂😂😅😅
Towanda favors the narrative. Almost as if it’s her sense of protection.
True
I’m an advocate for them all, because I like all of’em. I’m not gon lie, though. More often than not, Miss E comes off a lil slow in the mind to me. I don’t want to say ‘special ed, but in some of the scenes, I feel like Miss E has a few screws loose. I hate how disrespectful my response is, but that’s my truth about her.
well DAMN
@@TheInnerchild.WhispererI know. That’s horrible to say but it’s how I feel. That’s how she comes across the screen a lot of the time.
I don't think she is a toxic parent I just feel like she didn't know she didn't have the knowledge and understanding of what life had to offer such as rasing kids with a husband as a pastor we are all guilty of that there is no perfect way to raise a child their mother just don't have the knowledge of a lot of things but it's not her fault
a lot of healing can happen once someone is ready to turn the mirror on themselves.
The BFV showed Evelyn in a home outside the kids homes.
How long ago was that ??? 😂😂
Mrs. E is 76 . I think she is a great mother. Her children are successful. Who are you to judge the Braxtons. Toni is the Ambassador of Braxtons.
What’s going on with you and yours?
Thanks Mary
Yes you are right
She not good parent
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Yes she is and have toxic for yrs. It pours out into her daughters sad!!!😢
@@terrimoten1603 a lot of healing needs to happen
I think Mrs E still don’t trust Towanda since stole that money from her. Go back and look at that old show Starting Over that’s Iyala had that Towanda was on. Towanda sounded like Tracey back then.
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