Growing food with zero heating in Massachusetts' winter
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- Jonathan Bates is better known for the food forest him and his colleague Eric Toensmeier planted on their 1/10th of an acre urban lot in Holyoke, Massachusetts. When I visited him in February, most of the lot and its 200 plant species were still covered with snow, but Jonathan showed me around their eco-shelter. Thanks to good insulation and thermal mass, the passive greenhouse maintains above freezing temperatures all winter, and allows them to grow food throughout the year.
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I love what you're doing and thank you for sharing.
I was really hoping to see more about the greenhouse itself.
Instead we got propaganda
@@haviland586 What propaganda?
@@haviland586 what are you on bro
Expecting to grow an avocado tree outside in Massachusetts due to global warming isn't likely. As one who studies climate change issues I expect that what we will see is the temperature/moisture fluctuations that we are presently observing will become more pronounced. This will stress all plants and in time most, if not all, food production will move indoors. Being able to maintain plant growth conditions will require heating and cooling capacities in greenhouses and other indoor growing spaces.
Great video showing how individual's or small groups/families can feed themselves as the climate situation worsens. Hopefully many will follow your lead...
Awesome green house! I love idea of using aquaponics and placing the compost between your two garden beds!
Great video! Loved your set up and what you are doing!
I love this! FAbulous system!
This was awesome. Mind opened! Coupling thermal mass with the aquaponics is just brilliant.
its dumb you are dreaming friend.
I have to agree with Rocco, the water butts won't provide heat or growing space efficiently at all, A hotbed using a yard or more of compost would work much better.
Great video , I am in Southampton and hope to turn my in ground pool into a year round garden room /greenhouse I plan on growing fish in the hopper of my deep end it is about 1500 gallons and I hope that between the 15 foot depth and the water to be able to grow year round with out any heaters ! so anyways you have a cool set up and it is nice to see local people with good ideas
Update please?! Would love to see that conversion
That's dope.
Im building a solar passive greenhouse now...similar concept. Thanks for the share.
Great greenhouse setup, I like to do the same at my place to get home grown organic produce all year round. Thanks for sharing 👍
awesome good job. I live in Springfield, MA
This video is so inspiring!
I;m moving to Mass in the near future. Your video inspiderd me in a way nothin has so far. I'm glad that pioneers like you are gonna be reachable when i'm there.
Lots of opinions about climate change. Regardless of who, what or when, this guy has a really great setup for producing food TODAY. Looks like maybe a suburban location and he's giving the community an example to follow for healthy eating. Good for him!!!
Yes...we should all be planting seeds everywhere ...even for the animals in the woods~~~~I wonder if he's getting avocados yet...covered or not. At least you know you will get *something* as long as you are always working at it 🌱🌻🌳
Even under the floor board the space is being utilized (worm farm). Thank you for the ideas!
I see that in the State people are looking to plant even in the winter and that's great. Keep up the great work. Loved and Subbed
Like your ideas.
We came here to learn from this man. If he has some hopes and, aspirations all the better for him. New ideas come along regularly perhaps he will find a way to make it work.. He made a fig tree live for three years don't be so quick to nay say!
2019 - I live in central Massachusetts. I still need to heat my house during the winter. And we still get plow-able snow.
I don’t get it
Yeah, probably won't get warmer in the winter in Massachusetts anytime soon. Rather, weather patterns will likely become more severe. Longer stretches of drought followed by intense rain, snow, wind, hail, etc.
Tim Harpham you see that happening soon?
@@jackl8349 We see it happening now.
Jason Spencer it is not happening now
I can feel the world getting cooler already
Beautiful
don't listen to the trolls. what you are doing is good, and at least you are preparing yourself in case of a food shortage and now you get to eat fresh veggies in the winter!
I love your design and reuse of materials, and the in ground worm farm is awesome. I would look into Grand Solar Minimum (a 200ish year natural cycle) as opposed to global warming. We are experiencing all the historical symptoms. Greenhouses that are energy efficient and can withstand cold will be critical.
Love it!!
Really kicking ourself that we didn’t finish our greenhouse this season on our homestead. Nice set up though! 👍
Nothing is r0, the thinnest sheet of plastic is going to be significantly better than R-0
OK, you are technically correct, as a sheet of plastic can be, lets say, R-0.15 But that R value can be so low you might as well consider it zero. For example, a pine plank has an R value of approximately 1 per inch of thickness. Our log cabin has walls that measure only R-7.
happy to find the channel and love to connect in person. My farm is 30 min away!
Johnny You Got it Just Right !
It may happen in the fall !!
I live in Tally Florida and I can't grow an avocado unprotected. The GSM is upon us good luck.
That's nice that he can have his green house and chickens in the town. I like they he says global warming is still up for debate. That's so much better than the quacks saying global warming is a fact no time to debate it. Respect to this guy for sharing his knowledge.
Hi from Boston!! New to gardening
Thanks for sharing this video, from Ukraine
My little garden is on a slight hill so my (outdoor) worm bin is in a large garbage can with screen on top. The bottom of the can is propped up a bit with rocks. The sides of the can are drilled and the tea that is created migrates down the slope and feeds all my garden. I am very happy to see more passive solar and geothermal greenhouses popping up behind houses as we all prepare for what may be severe climate changes.
Well it's been ~5 years and I'll bet you your avocado would die without your bio shelter, in fact I can't see it changing that forecast for the next 5 years either
I want to get a better look at those walls if they're claiming an R value of 25. It would take 10" of loose fill fiber glass insulation to get close to that if I'm not mistaken.
Cerebral - 2 inches of foam board gets you an R-10 value- I assume 5 inches is what his bioshelter has got
Foam is spendy and awful for the environment/atmosphere so there’s two minuses
420, but it's recycled..
Would like to understand in more detail how you built it. What about the film side R-Value? I see the video is a few years old, have you improved on your structure?
Very Nice!,It looks like a banana tree would do well in your greenhouse as well.
Good video. You Can grow Citrus in Mass. They do in "Greenhouse in the snow" NE.
How warm is it there in the winter, has cilmate change warmed up much in the last four years?
Why not put the chickens inside (in their cage!) in the the winter as well and use their body heat.
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Because you can have salmonella outbreak ;)
@@dj912sent9 Damn I was thinking about the same thing and the OP but forgot about Salmonella. Solid point.
I am at 7000 ft. Going underground. Last year i poured my concrete walls, 8 ft deep
what do you grow down there and with what kind of wattage?
very nice greenhouse and its great that you grow a lot of food. As far as the global warming, well, its going to take a long time. The fig tree will grow fine as long as the roots don't freeze. I had one in the yard (NY) and it grew fine for two years until the year without snow and the ground froze and that was it. I saw a fig tree in NJ that was over 15 ft tall.
use high temperature oil 900 degrees Fahrenheit with solar hot water system replace the water with the oil use a storage tank with granite rock excellent for holding temperature for very long hours sometime for 3 days
What is the history of winter farming? What could they do before poly was developed?
What type of fish are you raising that can handle 29F air temp , at what summer air temp and what is the water temp at both seasons?
the air temp is of no importance to fish as long as the water doesn't freeze. water acts as a heat sink and it would take days of 29F to cool the water enough to hurt the fish.
Firstly, fish live in water and don't breathe air. :)
Secondly, 29F air temp does not necessarily equal 29F water temp. Since there is a 30 degree differential (as stated) then the water could be between 29F and the max day time temp and probably more than 30 degrees in difference if the 29F was the seasonal low, this means the water could be consistently around 40-50F in the winter.
Dig 8' deep trenches outside & bury as much 3" black plastic tubing in it as possible, then duct the relatively warm air (40-50F) into your greenhouse with a fan system.
Would you elaborate on your "worm composting"? Do you have any ammonia smell issues and do you know who much of a heat difference you're having with vs without? Great video! I'm in South Hadley. What are the chances I might visit and pick your brains for my new greenhouse setup? Thanks!
Hi Alma I'm on Massachusetts also. Did he ever contact you?
I'll try and locate him email me VitalRights AT gmail.
You haven't posted lately. Are you still gardening. I'm from Chicopee and interested in growing in the winter.
So I think I saw that you are using pine needles to keep the weeds down and possibly as eventual compost? Is that right? I’m thinking of doing the same. Just starting a raised bed garden inside my high tunnel greenhouse in North East Wyoming. I was going to grind them up in a mulcher, but I heard that they have properties that inhibit seed growth. However, I think that would be quite good for keeping weeds down after the plants have come up. I was just wondering about your thoughts on this? Do they help keep the soil warmer? I am also considering year round gardening. Thanks for your video!
4 years latter lets have an update !
How is your avocado tree doing? Any updates on it?
Amazing.
cbond99 I see this mentality in a lot of people from the really liberal states. They've been conditioned into believing everything that they are told. I think their heads would explode if they ever had to do any critical thinking. I wonder if Paul Revere would've taken that ride if he knew how insane things had gotten. The greenhouse is a great idea.
Mars Rover Are you "preaching to the choir"? I don't understand. You see what mentality in a lot of people from the really liberal states? The mentality that it is a waste of time & problematic or the mentality that greenhouses and wholesome, organic food is a smart idea?
figs grow in cold weather. I live in the Pocono mountains and have figs planted. you have to find the right variety.... tasty too.
I like his greenhouse, but he is a little nuts, thinking that we are going to see a 30 rise in average temperature in Massachusetts.
Austin Pawlus I thought he was saying there was a 30 degree difference in the outside temp vs. inside his greenhouse? He said it was -7 outside and never got below 29 in his greenhouse.
+cbond99 If he thinks that an avocado could last outside then he is talking about more than 30 degrees difference in winter temps. Also he seems to think a fig is a citrus?
Cbond99- you are correct and Austin Pawlus either didn't understand his comments or decided to ignore it.
No. Figs are not citrus and he knows that. You misunderstood what he was saying. Chicago Hardy figs are called that because they are so hardy they can be grown in Chicago. I have one in my house here in East TN and it gave me figs last year. I bring it inside because of all the terrible winds we get where I am that would trash the tree. (E.g., last year we had just terrible straight-line winds that it snapped a 15-year-old red oak tree that was 18 feet high from the roots like you break a carrot.)
I know of neighbors who have Chicago Hardy figs in their yards (they also have ornamental banana trees) and get figs from the fig tree.;
I have a non heated greenhouse in zone 8 where the average nighttime temp in the winter is 35F. Would my rooted cuttings survive? Would I be able to grow root vegetables and peas all winter?
Great for your success with year round growing!!!If your temperature dipped further say 25 30 below ??
Do you have a back up system for heat ? Even if only short term. Thsnks
Humm, I'd like to see that R-0 home. :)
+Edward Jones 1895 house in Chicago before renovations. Yes there is a little via studs and outside brick , but with so many checks its really 0.
Just a chuckle at ZERO. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-value_(insulation)
Edward Jones
yes I see your point . All the Best
That is the rental unit below a landlord's apartment, by taking out the insulation the renters crank up the heat which lowers the bills of the unit above. As a carpenter I have repaired plenty of 150 year old houses where the stud bays were filled with bricks. It is generally accepted (by builders)that it was much warmer in Vermont in the 1760 to 1860 time frame and the bricks cooled and dehumidifier while keeping stray bullets out.
I just saw one of those today up in Gardener MA actually, nothing in between the walls. It's going to be a very tough winter for those tenants.
Where did you get your bioshelter? Did you make it? Are there plans?
Did you use an avocado seed or root for your tree?
where did you guys find this guy?
"Holyoke MA" instant like 👍
Do you have any insect problems in the summer and how do you deal with them? I am contemplating building a greenhouse on my property in the country. I am going to experiment in a different direction as the floor of my greenhouse will be 5 feet below ground level (similar to a Walipina). Having the growing bed below the permafrost level, plus using water barrels as a heat sync should allow me to grow pretty much anything year round.
is that purple tree collards?
great work! I grew up in Massachusetts and got out 25 years ago before I blew my brains out from the weather and just seeing your video made me head to the medicine cabinet for some Prozac LOL anyway I'm in the mountains of Arizona now and we do have a small winter of about 90 days where it can be as chilly as an average high 52 during the day and 30 at night! So I was looking for something like what you have here and this will work great for those 90 days. I do agree with you that global warming is happening and all I can say is thank God. I travel the world and it's getting greener and Greener everywhere I go and soon they'll be Vineyards in northern England like there was centuries ago. I'm sure you're aware of how much better your plants would do with twice as much CO2 in the air. anyway I appreciate I appreciate your video. I think I'm going to try double layer plastic.
I am in connecticut and I want to add a green house in my back yard...any pointers to setup a green house? any particular type green house?
I wanted to see how you built it, with what and how it works much more than your beliefs on global warming. I live farther north than you, and would love to be able to grow at least most of the year. Also your water tanks would have been interesting to see how you did it. You have a cool setup, it'd be nice if you shared it more.
Yes it is a cool setup! With light reflecting insulation blinds he could double the light energy getting into the green house and slow the loss out at night. Also in addition to the passive heating of the water tanks additional solar exposure heat could be transfered into the tanks with a water to water heat tranfer setup. Sort of a concentration of solar enegy.
Hello Jonathan. Do you have any plans for building the Bio-Shelter. I'm very interested in building something like that! Its a great size to start out with. How much did it cost you to build that? Thanks! Steve
Possible solar minimum...massive changes in current weather patterns, since the weather driver would be on low...he can have the reason wrong, but still be wise in how he's getting ready. Ready for anything!
Hey Jonathan, there are actually avocados growing in the mountains in India where they are having minus degrees in wintertime (region almora). They got lots of sunshine during the year though. Much more than in Germany where I'm from but I'm bringing some seeds nevertheless. How's your avocado tree going now?
Still in the greenhouse.
I bet ur neighbors love u
Great video my friend
Make more
This is a great idea for the people in Afghanistan since they have cold weather
Scandinavia and Russia has cold weather, not the middle east.
Freyj Carlsson Mountains tend to have cold weather. Afghanistan has a lot of them.
Do you still growing I would like to stop and see your set up I live in ludlow ma
Olá Rodrigo
I go to Ludlow at times, Come e Cala-te, Primavera, Cavalier, etc
Contact me VitalRights AT gmail.
Good luck
So is the insulation transparent? Because plastic is not very insulating! How is he getting such good insulation AND so much light?
Fajny temat, fajnie zrobiona szklarnia, ale bez przesady - zebrałeś miskę zieleniny i mówisz, że 2 osoby się tym najedzą? Jako jeden posiłek? Srsly?
What fish are you raising in the bioshelter
GSM, research it, plan for your family., Nice poly/garden.
Awesome! Yes! WOOOOYAAAAA!
We've been growing avocados and citrus in greenhouses in Alaska, Canada and Northern Europe for about 40 years now. Its not because of global warming, its because of greenhouse technology, affordability and acceptability. Not to mention hybridization of many fruits/ trees has led to cold hardy varieties. Don't make broad, far reaching climate declarations if you're not willing to discuss all the millions of variables.
Please need some tips, for greenhouse, living in NJ. Please
I don't think there is much (intelligent) debate that global warming is happening. The only real question is to what extent man is contributing, and to what extent it is a natural cycle.
@Alex Tourigny Thank You for stating that thought
Can we hire you to help us build in VT? 🤞🤓💖
What fish are you raising in your aquaculture
As far as climate chagne goes, I'm more worried about the winters getting colder and wetter and the summers being hotter and drier :(
I’m worried about falls getting brighter and windier and springs getting moldier and more virusey...
Omg I like like 30 mins from this guy I’ve probly driven past it before
curious if anyone knows what type of water storage containers these are?
the water containers are I.B.C's
"Intermediate Bulk Containers". IBC.
... some are "food grade", meaning they've been used to transport syrups or other edible liquids, but some are "agricultural grade", meaning they've held chemicals, sometimes pesticides or herbicides. Unless you're going to use them only for heat storage by painting them black to absorb sun energy, be careful about using the water for fish or in garden beds.
The winter after you open this bio shelter up that avocado tree is toast, global warming or not.
I give you credit for building the structure and incorporating Aquaponics. I think you mis-spoke when you said global warming… I think you meant to say Geo engineering...Opening the bio shelter to the chemical fall out from climate engineering i.e. aluminum barium and strontium, is definitely a bad idea
i need to find him
It’s been ten years let’s see that avocado tree
Sorry no Avocados in Mass during your lifetime! It would be nice!
wait and see
Remember in the 70’s when they said we are going into a global ice age ? Ya that didn’t happen either
@@michaelripperger5674 Hard to grasp that people are not willing to look at historic evidence of a 4 hundred yr global cooling event cycle.
yes you can i been to my families from in Ecuador on the ice cold mountain side avocados over there are made in the cold too i also live in mass.......
Would love his contact information...I have a greenhouse and would love assistance in setting it up so I too can enjoy year round growing.
The aimals and brids should be inside the greenhouse so that their body heat and wastes can be used as direct sources of heat and fertilizer and produce carbon dioxide for the plants to breath in and exhale oxygen for the animals and birds.
Dont for get you can use those worms for fishing as well.
How’s your avocado tree?
Great vid. I think citrus is a stretch in MA. Especially with how much colder it has been getting.
Is there an update??
How much does it cost to feed the fish? Is that part of your calculations on how much it costs to use that method over growing in soil? Are you eating the fish? Talapia or bluegills?
some fish will eat algae which is free, some will eat the mosquitos or other larvae in the water, you can set it up so that the fish food is free, and the fish waste feeds the plants.
Tilapia are one of the most efficient converters of food to body weight and the food can be grain or vegetable matter unlike farmed salmon or other farmed fish that require ground fish meal.
***** There is an article (I think from an old "Organic Gardening" magazine) that's been posted online about a guy who raises worms not only for composting, but to feed his catfish. I've never seen an update to see if it's fully sustainable or if it's worked out in the long run, but it's an interesting idea. Fish waste feeding the garden, veggie scraps feeding worms, worms feeding the fish.
I know. Very interesting stuff
That was tons a ton of worms!
Well... Either his avocado is dead or he dialed back his prediction.
if you add some chickens of cuyes in there you can heat up
Adapting SOUTHERN grow zone plants isn't that hard to accomplish. It does take several generations of careful adaptation. We grow Georgia Vidalia Onions here in Lubec, Maine Bigger than their best crop in Georgia which is zone 9A. We are 4.