Plato's Objections to the Forms in the Parmenides

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
  • Commentary on 127a-135d

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  • @jonathanwoodvincent
    @jonathanwoodvincent ปีที่แล้ว

    This is very helpful. The use of repetition is a great technique. Thank you!

    • @BrentKalar
      @BrentKalar  ปีที่แล้ว

      You are most welcome.

  • @2009Artteacher
    @2009Artteacher 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you! Carl Jung uses archetypes and patterns in dreams much after this concept of Plato. I always thought Plato's forms were like this in my readings. Also, Nietzsche's concept of eternal return, I feel, is after the platonic idea of archetypes repeating themselves.

  • @johnwheeler4791
    @johnwheeler4791 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent conclusion, thank you Brent.

    • @BrentKalar
      @BrentKalar  ปีที่แล้ว

      You are most welcome. Thanks for the feedback. Glad you found it useful.

  • @johnwheeler4791
    @johnwheeler4791 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like to think of it as a particular thing's participation in a Form as a whole, the forms are pure unity. The difference is the particular thing's quality of participation. I can draw many triangles of varying quality and size, while they all participate/partake in the wholeness of triangularity, the level at which they attempt to communicate the Form varies.

  • @Salim54321
    @Salim54321 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @johnwheeler4791
    @johnwheeler4791 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoyed the video as a nice review. Waiting for the whiteboard scribbling was a bit tedious though...oh well, worth it.

  • @dubbelkastrull
    @dubbelkastrull 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7:39 Socrates asked Zeno to explain what he means.
    11:44 Form of likeness & unlikeness.
    20:38 Tall&Short Relatively
    21:16 One & Many
    Bookmark
    22:42 Forms must be Pure and Separate.
    30:47 Republic quote
    34:47 One like a day
    48:25 Third Man
    58:01 thought of a form
    1:01:31 Form as model.
    1:04:19 Likeness regress
    1:07:21 6th Objection - Greatest Difficulty

  • @shonuff4855
    @shonuff4855 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But the thing is that is not how he expressed forms therefore to say the first part of Parmenides is an objection or critique of his own theory of forms doesn't seem to make sense . Forms are metaphysical conditions that are generative . And they could never be separated and stand alone he was always showing that they possessed a Unity between them. Because they flowed from The One or The Good and are distinct not separate.

  • @johnwheeler4791
    @johnwheeler4791 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Forms are not sensible things, they belong to the intelligible world of eternal Being. However, I agree with Parmenides, that hair, mud, and dirt must too have a form, and why do they need to be undignified? A potter seeks the "good mud" for making beautiful pottery, the gardener seeks out the "prime dirt", highly conducive to makings things grow, and all types of animals, including humans, can have a gorgeous mane of hair.