Unpacking Dell's Controversial Remote Work Policy
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- Unpacking Dell's Controversial Remote Work Policy
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There are lots of people (more than you would think) that don’t care for promotions. Climbing the corporate ladder is not a life goal for many of us. Being “stuck” at a remote job that allows me to have the freedom to live wherever I want and not having to commute to an office (to do more remote work) sounds like a deal to me.
I WISH Apple would offer this. The Bay Area is stupidly expensive.
In dell it’s move up or move on. I know this from very direct experience.
you nailed it!!!
We don't care about having the corner office and trying to impress everyone.
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I don’t want nor care for a promotion I just want a raise!
Yeah and thats part of the problem. You want more money whilst providing no additional value.
@@KjtheGreatPro we have massive inflation, the same paycheck year to year is not the same value
@@KjtheGreatProHow about companies giving you more work with no raise? Its BS.
@@KjtheGreatProExperience is the value. I have 20+ years in my field. Pay me more or I take my experience to somebody that will. My last job I was making $27.40/hr salary. They kept losing site leads so I interviewed for the position and they turned me down. I had the most time on the contract, by a lot, but they hired from outside the company. I got hired by my current employer 30 days later. Now I make $40/hr, plus travel expenses, and 10 hours of OT a week on average. I’m writing this from my couch, on the clock.
@@KjtheGreatProCEOs give themselves goant bonuses yet do not work any harder than the average worker.
Speaking of undervalued, I'll be at the company I work for a yr in just a few days. They did our evaluations for my dept & I got a 1.06% raise & was told that applied to the whole dept. I've never been so insulted in all the 30+ yrs I've been working. No improvements were mensioned or anything. I'll definitely be changing jobs asap.
I'd love to be able to work from home. Sitting in traffic? Dealing with roadway assholes? No thank you. Eat healthy food at a normal time? Don't have to inhale your lunch? Yes, please. I do my best work on my own, no distractions. My workplace is FULL of unnecessary distractions. I have ADD and it's so difficult to stay connected, productive. Honestly, I wish they would just stick me in a corner and leave me the eff alone.
I have clinically diagnosed ADHD. I was able to obtain a job accommodation to work from home. It's an ADA condition. May be something to check out.
I think that they use case here is for employees who are a decade or less away from retirement. If you already know that you’re going to be leaving the workforce in a few years, and you have no interest in continuing to grow your career, the added flexibility of fully remote work while maintaining your standard of living makes an unbelievable amount of sense.
The problem is RTO is strictly ideological and not success driven. If it was success driven, flexibility would be given to top performers and only those not performing would have mandates. Broad brushes like that will set them back, not accelerate them forward.
Yes!!! That would be ideal! Give the perks to those willing to work! Great idea
Remote it is!
AI it is... You will be replaced soon it is
Where I work many people were able to do a lot more when they were remote compared to the three days in the office. During meetings, everyone is in a conference room staring at their laptops using Google or Microsoft Teams for the meeting. Absolutely no reason to be in the same room. Its funny!
I would honestly take it if I worked for Dell. I work at a tech company that is not Dell and remote work is far better for my family.
I will take a lack of promotion in exchange for no commuting costs, no hotel costs for staying overnight, more time with my kids, more time active in my community helping my neighbors, and more time building my small business. No promotion is such a small thing compared to the entire above plusses.
100%
You will be the first to be replaced by AI..
@@BraveJustDefend There's a joke!
@@the32712 Your job is a joke if all you do is stay home. AI will replace you soon.. Sad but you I'd it to yourself
@@BraveJustDefend Yes, it's a joke because the code I write at home is different than the code I write in the office.
Real Einstein over here...
I could work for 1/2 as much money and still come out ahead, not having to commute to work everyday.
I am a developer. I would pass on any opportunity offered by Dell based on these policies. I have low (_._) tolerance, and I have a set of skills that is in demand. If I were a Dell employee offered these ultimatums, I would exit very quickly.
Until you are made obsolete by A.I .
" I have a set of skills that is in demand". No, the only skill you have is being an entitled brat.
That isn’t as much of a roadblock as it seems on the surface. I’ve only changed roles one time in my career and I’ve only been promoted one time in my career. Every other promotion / job change that I’ve ever gotten has come from switching companies.
But. That policy is very tone deaf. It’s a sign for the best employees to move on and leave Dell.
But if they have this attitude towards remote positions then why do they have them in the first place?
Changing conditions so that people quit can be cheaper than laying them off or firing them.
Dell employees can still receive internal merit increases. Employees are also allowed to apply for a promotion if they are willing to go into the office. There’s a bit of information that was left out here.
Someday we are going to hold these CEO's responsible for being humane to their employees. Working from home etc is a privelage yes, but also being humane and not running your company like a dictator is something you do owe your employees. You owe your employees to be a humane boss and in that, you owe the employees policies that make them feel human. Which recognizes the wants and needs they have as human beings. I will be so glad when we start holding these CEO's and the government responsible for overseeing these CEO's according to this.
Maybe something you don’t know about tech,it’s always faster for the employees to get a new job (usually with a raise) than the employers to replace that employee with someone who has at least a 80% skills match.
The fact that companies are willing to risk losing people that perform in their role on the basis of where the employees sit while they work demonstrates that they are willing to be less competitive so they can keep their old way of working.
In the next decade or two, companies that have a track record of managing remote employees well will be at a competitive advantage.
Once you leave the big city, you don't want to go back. No more regular on-site work. You can keep your promotions. So you're criticizing Dell for being too lenient?
I think it’s a great employee retention incentive all while keeping new onboarding expenses low.
So exactly why is it so important to be in an office so much? In my case, I go to an office, sit at a cube and proceed to do the same as if I was at home. Our meetings are still on Teams and we still ping each other instead of walking over to talk lol. It’s so stupid. Glad we have hybrid. When I have deadlines I tell them I’m WFH so I can get it done. That 45-60min of commute time is transferred to the project and you get to the goal faster.
They just don’t want empty offices because of investments in corporate properties
Every Dell computer I have used has been garbage
Same
Compared to?
That’s why I built my own computer . I will never again buy a prebuilt.
Bird in the hand. Promotions aren't guaranteed anyway. I'd take working fully remote today over MAYBE a promotion in the future. Or is mgmt guaranteeing promotions and career advancement for hybrid workers? (snerk!)
Its reverse of quiet quitting. Its quiet fireing. Cause instead firening people you just create hostile enough environment so they will leave by themselves.
I remember working in a office we would have a 30 minute morning meeting that always ran almost an hour, my boss was upset that people didn’t read emails he sent at 4:00 am on our way to work and as a supervisor I had to have small various meetings with different employees plus get my own work done. As a bonus sometimes there would be a wrap up meeting on the way out. I was barely getting any work done.
I suggested working from home to my boss and he hated the idea but went forward because of Sandy. Fast Forward we became hybrid. He also hated that so much he hired a productivity company all the way in Israel that told him we were producing way more from home with less errors (I think because we weren’t interrupted with nonsense every 30 minutes). With all that said he made nonsense rules like this when people worked at home, he did a Facebook rant no one wants to work, many of his good good people quit but now his whole business is remote and half of what it once was.
At this point who is really looking for the latest Dell products.
working remote is more important than a stupid promotion.
My entire team is remote workers and has been like that for years now. There are challenges for sure with managing remote workers and it takes extra effort to ensure good team performance and business culture. However, I'd argue you must do that either way to be an effective manager/business leader. Even before remote work, 60% of my work was remote via conference calls that I just took in my office on-site as with many large corporations, not everyone works in the same building or city.
If Dell leadership truly feels all employees must be on-site to be successful then say that. On the surface though, it comes across as a slimy cost-saving tactic to not have to lay people off. Interesting choice as this seems even worse for company culture vs laying off employees. Additionally, you will now continue to pay salaries to people who will be even less motivated to perform in their role, if remote only. Dell is a large company and many meetings would be digital anyway for those coming into the office (most likely why they had a hybrid approach even before Covid!). You just now will have an even worse company culture and employees who don't care at all to perform in their roles.
I was hired as and work as remote. Since every call is recorded, every email and text kept track of, plus I have to run numbers every HOUR on my productivity, every appt. held and sold tracked--there is no doubt I am working while remote. I was hired as remote--and there is no way I would move half-way across the country to live in an outrageously expensive area, put up with sub-par housing as there is no way I could afford to replace my life-style in that new location. I would expect the company to honor the expectations I was hired under. Plus, I was offered promotions several times--and I turned them down as it would involve moving.
They want people to quit. This is their “nice” way of doing it.
Finally somebody says the quiet part out loud
Does anyone know if the Ramsey corporation has remote workers. Or are they told to say they like ‘coming to the office’? Just asking.
Ramsey is run by Boomers and people who act like Boomers so my guess is no
DR has said on air that no one is remote
I’d like to meet the lawyers that signed off on this….great idea until they get sued
Remote work is the future. Accept it. Deal with it. Move on.
I can't stand people who hold on to the past. The only thing that matters is change and the future
Why doesn't Dell just replace them with AI? They don't show up anyways and Dell can save alot of money!!
@5:00 it comes down to Employer trusting their employees to get the job done.
If it was acceptable and required to work remotely during COVID that benefited employers, it is hypocritical for employers to force employees back into the office now that they can.
This is because many cities will give these companies large tax incentives for hiring people within a certain distance from an office building. This is a way to gradually cull the remote head count and hire those local to the offices and then benefit from said tax incentives. Not really sure what the motivation is behind this, but here we are.
As a one man show this guys can say what he said. Dell as a multinational can’t take a risk of thousands walking out of their desk leaving the company. Dell will certainly be transitioning to a mass layoff targeting those remote workers rehiring onsite only workers.
If a person is able to be effective remotely, then they deserve raises. The is a such thing as inflation. I definitely do understand middle management not being able to quantify the work or just the difficulty in quantifying the work, but instead of such a policy, then there could b practices or equations that can help quantify remote contribution. Fact of the matter is, our body keeps score of each and every social interaction and some people have lower threshold for certain activity. Is there standards? Yes. As an introvert who works " in person" it is my duty to make sure that I am healthy in all aspects to meet the requirement of my 40 hour work week. Should my 40 hours be enough to cover my needs and some of my wants? Yes. Should disabled people be able to meet their needs and wants? Yes.
Most people aren't going to stick around long enough anywhere anymore to get promoted.
I love coming to work 3 days a week. But I live 5 minutes from the office and get subsidized lunches as an employee perk. I think three days minimum is too much would rather see it be 30 days or something like that.
Where is Josh Fluke when you need him?!!
He is not needed EVER.
i stopped playing the promotion game a long time ago.
That was just baby boomer managers holding a carrot in front of you in an attempt to exploit more work from you.
i don't care anymore, not interested. I save FAR!!! more money by NOT commuting to work everyday.
Dell just screwed themselves. My company like countless others have realized that work from home is the future and will be fast to let go of workers not performing when working from home. This also gives these companies massive advantages over more of a traditional company that want people to be in the office. There more traditional companies will have Rents to pay on massive buildings and it will effect their bottom line. Also high skilled workers like myself have already told companies who try to get us to leave our work from home positions, NO we are not doing it. So these more traditional companies will continue to lose the battle for talented people because they will all be hard workers who go work for fully remote companies. This will create a massive brain drain on traditional companies because of their stupidity to keep people working in an office.
Companies can either Adapt or Die and many of these return to office companies will be replaced by remote work companies because their services will be much cheaper.
I think it is nice policy, it gives you time to quit. I work as a contractor so there is no chance for promotion but it doesn't bother me cuz I can work remote. What happens if a high performing remote worker gets promoted?
Funny - no mention of effectiveness or the ability to do a job.
Salaries and vacation days are often linked to your title so no promotions is huge
So since I can’t be promoted if I choose to stay fully remote, don’t try to “promote” me with more work and the same pay. Organizations need to realize employees can play that same game. If you are doing your job and need the freedom of working remotely, a promotion doesn’t mean that much especially to deal with managers like the “C” suite.
I would come to the office for 1 month and 9 days and work from home for the remaining 7 weeks each quarter.
Google is the same way unfortunately.... I'm glad to walk away
If being in the office isn't necessary , then it isn't necessary.. this has been proven for years
Gotta love people who make their living commenting on rejecting remote work from the comfort of their home studios.
I actually like this. It's basically saying,"we don't allow remote work but we will let you find another job on your own timeline instead of just letting you go."
Yes I think it is a nice way to do things.
It's a way to filter out candidates and keep the company going long-term. Dell is NOT your parent. Their workers seem to be fine with it, so I'm not sure why there is a discussion. The company has been losing a lot of money for the last 5 years. Give it to us straight.
Man if you dont offer remote work you will be outpaced by 2030. Its an archaic way of thinking. We dont use paper and pencil anymore to do math equations either we use the computer lol 😅come on dell!!
Thinking is archaic.
I don’t think this is passive aggressive at all. There are people who work in the corporate world who could care less about promotions, titles, etc. They like the job they’re doing and likely prefer to work remote. There is a cost to everything. To me, this is a decent way to make accommodations for a variety of different workers while also saying we value people showing up in person to work.
Not sure I agree with the comparison of kids in a family and grown adults working for a company.
Your reasoning is really bizarre. You suggest that Dell should have made these people “leave well,” which I take it is a euphemism for firing them with severance. But in what world is being fired better than being told you aren’t eligible for a promotion?
Wow‼️‼️
Not sure why Ken thinks it’s so easy to replace people. In my industry, when people leave we almost never replace with a like for like. We just reshuffle the work and the position never really gets back filled. It’s HARD finding people with the skills we need them to have.
FWIW, I wouldn’t mind this policy. I’d take WFH they can keep the promotions lol. Joke’s on them.
Let me explain something to you because you clearly don't get it. Dell does not give a flying fuck about promoting any of these people and they don't care if half of their employees opt for or else and they end up getting rid of them. Their goals are twofold. First, they want to make things uncomfortable for work at home employees so that they will quit and Dale doesn't have to downsize and pay severance. Second, they're testing loyalty because they're looking at another round of layoffs. Even if you think the company couldn't function but after laying off half of its employees, you have to remember that the tech sector is a wash and unemployed people right now. Dell knows this. All management has to do is go to the massive pool of people they've probably accumulated with false job advertisement designed to strictly to create an easy access, quick hire list. Don't think your outsmarting your employer, because chances are you're shooting yourself in the foot.
You can't really have a secure IT environment in a broadly remote work environment.
So no branch offices or never being allowed to take laptop off site?
One of the few good things thus current generation has is the ability to work from home which allows them to spend time with their family and save on childcare costs. I dont know why the previous generation has a problem with this. At first you write it off as "theyre just out of touch" but as time goes on Im growing doubtful on that.
The children are running the corporation.
If you want to work the same job for 3 deacdes appreciate the fact that the pay for that position wont go up as fast as inflation. Add more value to your conpany if you want the company to add more compensation.
Though sounds strange, it’s not 100% bad nor it means no love for remote employees. Promotion requires in person collaboration to develop self and others using real human interaction instead of chat and planned virtual meetings.
stay remote. Office politics will get you promoted, or fired. If you have numbers to meet for your job, why sit in traffic and deal with the craziness? Work in bed in your pajamas... We are not on assembly lines in factories anymore. All work should be remote, unless it is manual labor
All work should be manual labour.
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 The people signing your checks don't even get out of bed
@@azimuthbusinesscenter False, but thanks for playing.
You're an asset, an expendable asset.
I disagree with Ken.
I find it to be a well played balance between the companys’ preference and needs while remaining considerate of individual needs.
If folks really value remote work, they will likely be willing to compromise.
I say good job Dell finding a win/win in a world of either/or.
Same.
Completely desagree on this one
Jobs can do whatever the hell they want to employees they have all the leverage
People ARE only valuable to a company if they do things the way the company wants. How is that news to you?
So a Dell employee that takes care of customer calls remotely isn't valuable?
This is about compliance with management whims, not value.
I think it's fair. There is very low unemployment, if an employee doesn't like it, they have plenty of options.
How’s that passive aggressive? Almost as direct and clear as can be.
No, it’s definitely passive. By doing this, Dell is saying you are stuck with zero growth as one of their remote workers. If they were being direct, they would say they no longer are allowing remote workers as they believe it hinders one’s growth opportunities.
I disagree with Ken on this. There are good employees that need the job, but do not have ambitions to get promoted or move to the coolest role. Think of a 50-year old accountant or procurement manager. They have the expertise and experience, but no further ambitions.
This approach from Dell ensures that the careers and lives of these people are not disrupted.
I just can’t understand what is bad or passive-aggressive here. I think this is a very inclusive and employee-friendly policy by Dell.
Dell is trash, but the worst one is you and who you work for.
The employer holds all the cards unless you are in a union . And even then they still hold most of the cards . They pay you . Don’t like it , leave . At least Dell didn’t completely pull the plug on remote work.
You're working for a boss that hates remote work. No self awareness eh Ken?
Great idea! Remote workers degrade team cohesion in companies with challenging missions so they shouldn’t be eligible for promotion.
Dell’s policy is fair, you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
What's wrong here.
Who are you to say. What makes you so virtuousos?
Companies should be civilly liable for return to office in a high crime area if an employee gets attacked.
So if said employee walks around town on their own time and gets “attacked” companies should also be liable?
Lol no…
Newsflash: The whole USA is a high crime area.
Who cares...... Work is at will .....you don't like it leave or take one of the options ....this isn't you and your kids negotiating Dell is a for profit company telling their labor force what is expected sorry if that's too harsh to hear
I like Dell idea more. Phase out work from home
You are part of the problem as to why the younger workforce acts so entitled. At the end of the day, it’s the employer that signs the paycheck. You enable these narcissistic brats. I’m sure that employees at Ramsey Solutions don’t run the show.