Michael Coulter A rare kind of leader. Technically proficient. Willing to take full brunt of responsibilities for his decisions to the very end. And not in a vainglorious way, as some suicides are done in wars.
john martin So? Did I say *anything* about the British Empire? No I did not. I was writing my comment because of the noteriety of the Nazi regime, and how sad it is for good men to serve Evil, merely because of Nationalism.
My mother was 16 in 1939 (in England). She used to tell me that a large part of the British civilian population followed the situation in Montevideo very closely on the radio, with reporting being almost continuous. By the time Langsdorf took his own life, his decent and honourable behaviour had become widely known, and she remembered that, even at the time, with a war on, people were very saddened by his suicide and regretted that the outcome for him at least could have been different. There was at least one indirect British casualty of the war: a distant relative of mine. He was apparently doing some gardening at the time when Graf Spee began to move. His wife, who was listening to the radio, ran to the door to call him, and as he hurried up the garden path he had a sudden, massive heart attack and fell at her feet, dead before he hit the floor.
My grandfather, a construction worker working on the facade of a hospital in Uruguay(Hospital de Clinicas), witnessed some of the fight as well as the scuttling of the Graff Spee of the coast of Montevideo. He also has pictures of the ship at port from his rather advantageous vantage point. Ive also visited the tombs of the 36 sailors buried here while at the cemetery cremating my grandmother, figured id take the opportunity as I do not visit cemeteries unless absolutely necessary. We also have one of the 88mm on display on the maritime museum. As a kid I always played on them when visiting the area, today, i see them under a totally different light. a childs innocence I suppose.
The splash card for the video implies a serious nature belied by our good Chieftain's jolly attitude and general merriment. The ominous stare implies a harrowing tale, a dark secret, or a response to someone bringing a T29(76mm) to a tier 9 match.
HMNZS Achillies, later INS Delhi, played herself in the film "Battle of the River Plate". Considering that it was made only 11 years after the end of a world war, and that many of the actors fought against the Germans, (for example, Anthony Quayle, playing Commodore Harwood, was with SOE in Albania), it was rather sympathetic to the Germans.
Dean Stuart This early in the war, there wasn't the hatred directed against the Germans as was the case later in the war, so maybe the director wanted realism?
After the war there was a general feeling of sympathy for and, in some cases bizarre interest in, Germany's situation by people in the UK. Before the war feelings towards Hitler's Germany were much more polarized then people would have you believe and even afterwards (perhaps especially afterwards, given the pitiful state of Germany's capitulation) there was a sentiment of "Hitler was bad, but Commies are worse and we don't have to hate Germans anymore". The threat of Communism made sure everyone played nice with the Germans. They were our buffer-state, after all.
The commander of the force including Duke of York at the battle of the North Cape, Admiral Fraser, also had good things to say about the commander of the Scharnhorst. The British and German surface commanders at least seemed to have attitudes that called back to an earlier age.
DurhamDave SBG The Royal Navy and the Kreigsmarine had close ties, both before WW1, and before WW2 (at least until Hitler started violating the Treaty of Versailles)
Outstanding. Just excellent. Fascinating story beautifully retold. Note, no prisoners harmed. The end of an era. Love your Irish accent. Can’t wait to see more! 🎉
I love your attention to detail. Few others talk about the amount of smoke and the effects of darken ship and marine camouflage. Our bridge crew was convinced they had spotted a merchant tanker, even though it was clearly the JFK on the radar.
Correct me if im wrong but I seem to recall that the Graf Spee had it's desalination equipment damaged which meant that without adequate fresh water supply she couldn't have made it back to Germany anyway.
The Graf Spee and her sisters, Admiral Scheer and Duetschland showed the flag for Germany throughout the thirties as their prestige vessels and participated in so-called "neutrality" patrols during the Spanish Civil Wars. Although technically weighing 10,000 tons they displaced 16,000 (like the Italians the Germans fudged on weights). Although the Graf Spee was lost early, the Admiral Scheer had a successful raiding cruise (19 ships and over 110,00 tons) and with the Deutchland/Lutzow did useful service throughout the war although as raiders they lost their infrastructure as the British took out the German supply ships in the Atlantic. One expert in 1939 (before the war) stated that the three ships probably would not be worthwhile commerce raiders as compared to submarines but they would have been excellent reinforcements to the Italian fleet to give it an edge over the French Med Fleet, of course the French Navy was rendered ineffective after 1940, so by 1941 these ships had used up one of their reasons for being although they proved useful in the North.
Silentknight21 - Yes. That was apparently the reason Langsdorff made port...he simply did not have access to enough 'clean' fuel to make it home...not nearly. And the fuel processing system could not be repaired before she was forced to leave Montevideo. In the end, the Graf Spee was lost (at this time) due to a lucky hit by the British.
Graff Spee was seaworthy but as you stated her diesel fuel purification plant was destroyed in the battle. As diesel tends to attract water and the ship is at Sea this is a serious problem or more exact a crippling problem. The British may not have sunk the Graf Spee but she was an operational kill. Her kitchens were also were destroyed hence unable to feed her crew.
I thought I had already seen this when it popped up in my subs, and not just because I've heard the story from Jingles too. Ah well 3rd times the charm.
please tell the editors to consider reducing the "dum tum tum" volume, it detracts from the actual content of the video, otherwise good presentation Chieftain
If someone is interested in maritime history, I’m suggesting the history of ORP Orzel (Eagle) - one of most modern submarines at the begining if II world war. The story contains espionage, possibly psychotic skipper, escaping internation in estonian dock and sailing through the baltic see, between german warships, bumping into a u-boot and finally arriving at the white cliffs. Without any maps or instruments.
HMS Ajax did not take the crew of the Graf Spee and SS Tacoma from Argentina to Germany in 1946. The 600 plus men were taken by Highland Monarch a Royal Mail Passenger ship which was escorted by HMS Ajax. Arrived 2nd February 1946 at Buenos Aires. Sailed 16th February. Freetown 26th, Lisbon 5th March, Bilbao 8th March, Hamburg 13th March.
The Washington treaty applied a maximum tonnage of 10,000 tons and maximum caliber of guns of 8 inches for any ship outside of the Battleship class (max 35,000 ton and 16 inch guns) and Air craft carrier (27,000 ton and 8 inch) so the Treaty of Versailles was far stricter in restriction of German Battleships to be 10,000 tons and 11 inch guns intending to limit them to effective coastal defense roles.
I was able to ignore the annoying music only because the story and story teller were so engrossing. I hope there's more in the future! Ship stories that is, not annoying music.
Hi Chieftain! Thanks for this. Langsdorff may have been the rare gentleman warrior. He certainly was reluctant to sacrifice the lives of his crew in a quixotic battle. How about making a vid on this: Second Naval Battle of Guadalcanal U.S.S. Washington sinks Japanese battleship on November 15, 1942. at one point Rear Admiral Willis Augustus Lee. and the Washington were the only thing standing between the IJN and the Marines on Guadalcanal.
Honorable men like Langsdorf were truly unique. Make you wonder why he killed himself. Was it honor, was it embarassment, or was it his fear of the torture.
He ended his life the same manner in which his ship had ended its life, with the aid of human crew of course, and in a strange way the Captain went with his ship to the Great Sea Beyond... I doubt he'd been allowed to return to Germany anyways, in his letter he declared full responsibility for this incident and the consequential internment of his crew by the local government as a result of having exhausted all possible options in his mind. Frankly, considering who was running the show back home, he'd never have gotten another command even if there was an exchange and probably would have been quietly disposed of like Rommel was... Its somewhat disconcerting how german officers seem so ready to commit suicide when their back is to the wall... Lastly I'd like to add that this man was humanitarian in his nature, he didn't kill if he could avoid doing so, (unless it was a evenly matched naval engagement with fair odds for both parties apparently) and by scuttling his ship he avoided the inevitable slaughter of crewmen on both sides...
Ref: NavWeaps (28cm/52 [11"] SK c/28. "Admiral Graf Spee carried 100 rounds per gun during her war cruise. Her outfit consisted of 200 AP, 200 HE Nose Fuze and 200 HE Base Fuze rounds. Of these 414 were fired during the Platt River battle - all 200 HE Nose Fuze rounds, 184 HE Base Fuze and 30 AP rounds, leaving her with170 AP and 16 HE Base Fuzerounds at the close of the action..." Four hits on Exeter did not sink the British heavy cruiser. Two hits on HMS Ajax, and only one hit on HMS Achilles, not very good shooting for the pride and Flagshhip of the german navy.
i don't know if this is the place for this but chieftain could you see if you could get good pictures or the interior of the t29 prototype? im having issues finding good info
Why did the graf spee not make a run for it. The answer is surprising. Diesel on board the graf spee was poor quilty and need to be purified before it could be used in the engines. This was done in the purified purification plant and moved to a ready to use fuel bunker. When the ship was skuttled in only had hours of fuel left that the engines could use as the purification plant was destroyed by British shelling. IF even if the ship escaped it would have run out if usable fuel in less than at day. "Most of the hits scored by the British cruisers caused only minor structural and superficial damage but the oil purification plant, which was required to prepare the diesel fuel for the engines, was destroyed." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Admiral_Graf_Spee
It's a pretty sparse premise, but I could easily watch you sardonically explain 40 minute-long WW2 stories all day. 28:40 - Clergy givin' the ole' Fascist salute. If I had a nickle for every time I'd see on of these in historical photos...
The U.S. was neutral at the time, and many nen of congress and note actually liked the nazis. I would like to stress that they of course didn't know what the nazis truly were at this point.
@@Handles-Suck-TH-cam our ambassador to England Joseph Kennedy father of John F Kennedy advocated a peace treaty with Nazi Germany and that England would soon be knocked out of the war. Then you had the isolationist movements that wanted the United States to stay out of World War II. Many of them closed up shop on December 7th 1941 for some reason. But in 1939 a neutral country shipped two combatants on either side in theory and non-combatant ships IE Merchant ships could load and off-load in a neutral countries ports
@@Handles-Suck-TH-cam I would disagree that we didn't know what the Nazis were in 1939. By then the anti-semitism was obvious to a blind man. And the outright aggression and Czechoslovakia and Poland was another strong indicator. Breaking every treaty that they had signed was probably another good indicator for the future. Roosevelt was walking a tight rope between those that wanted the United States to get involved and those that wanted the United States to be isolationist. I don't support all of Roosevelt's policies pre-war or during the war, for example in interning all Japanese-Americans oh, but he did do a remarkable job of balancing the two competing interests at the time. He also tried very hard to prepare the United States military for the war. Most American planning was based on being able to stay out of the war at least until mid 1942. Obviously the best planes in the world go up in smoke the first time a gun is fired. Pearl Harbor destroyed the grand plan of plan Orange, essentially the United States Fleet sailing from Pearl Harbor and the West Coast to engage the Japanese Fleet in the Philippines.
NEIL SHE WAS WHAT WAS DEEMED A POCKET BATTLESHIP.IN OTHER WORDS A SCALED DOWN BATTLESHIP. AT 12 000 TONS WITH 12 MAIN ARMOUR REALLY IN EFFECT A HEAVY CRUISER WITH LIGHT ARMOUR WHICH HAD BEEN SCRAFICED FOR SPEED.NO WAY COULD SHE BE DESCRIBED AS A FULL BATTLESHIP.
Nope, she wasnt a battleship. She might have been a Battlecruiser but these 'pocket battleships' were unique to Germany. 'Battleship ' is a 'Ship of the Line' (of battle) capable of taking a place in the line of battle and slugging it out with other battleships. Hood for example, wasn't Battleship, she was a Battlecruiser, designed to hunt down commerce raiders like Graf Spee and other heavy cruisers. They were built for speed and firepower at the cost of armour. Hood arguably had no business trading blows with Bismarck, a full Battleship.
Eh? This needs fixing, I don't see what's dramatic about pointing that out. Frankly, I don't give too much of a stuff, I'm not having any kind of a "fainting fit". Go pick a fight with someone else.
wasnt mimicking other people something kids do in high school? your lack of originality makes no difference to the central point..... precious little princesses filled with angst over a tune. Two safe spaces needed over here for high school hero and his weeping damsel in distress !! STAT !!
the last time I was this early, Sea Lion was still considered an option...
Oh you...
Hey MHV! You don't have time to comment! You need to make more excellent content. Get to it!
Langsdorf was an honourable man, it is unfortunate that such a man met an ignominious end, in service to an infamous regime.
Michael Coulter A rare kind of leader. Technically proficient. Willing to take full brunt of responsibilities for his decisions to the very end. And not in a vainglorious way, as some suicides are done in wars.
They do not make them like they use to do. Same goes to Canaris
Michael Coulter the british empire was the most ruthless regime in history.
go get an education
tgsnt.tv
@John Martin: You're on TH-cam, not StormFront. Just follow the trail of genetic skidmarks and you'll find your proper place.
john martin
So?
Did I say *anything* about the British Empire?
No I did not.
I was writing my comment because of the noteriety of the Nazi regime, and how sad it is for good men to serve Evil, merely because of Nationalism.
My mother was 16 in 1939 (in England). She used to tell me that a large part of the British civilian population followed the situation in Montevideo very closely on the radio, with reporting being almost continuous. By the time Langsdorf took his own life, his decent and honourable behaviour had become widely known, and she remembered that, even at the time, with a war on, people were very saddened by his suicide and regretted that the outcome for him at least could have been different.
There was at least one indirect British casualty of the war: a distant relative of mine. He was apparently doing some gardening at the time when Graf Spee began to move. His wife, who was listening to the radio, ran to the door to call him, and as he hurried up the garden path he had a sudden, massive heart attack and fell at her feet, dead before he hit the floor.
Gather 'round children, it's Chieftain storytelling time!
I like it
My grandfather, a construction worker working on the facade of a hospital in Uruguay(Hospital de Clinicas), witnessed some of the fight as well as the scuttling of the Graff Spee of the coast of Montevideo. He also has pictures of the ship at port from his rather advantageous vantage point. Ive also visited the tombs of the 36 sailors buried here while at the cemetery cremating my grandmother, figured id take the opportunity as I do not visit cemeteries unless absolutely necessary. We also have one of the 88mm on display on the maritime museum. As a kid I always played on them when visiting the area, today, i see them under a totally different light. a childs innocence I suppose.
Chieftain, Othais and Ian, the holy trinity of Military History. With MHV featuring as Moses...
The splash card for the video implies a serious nature belied by our good Chieftain's jolly attitude and general merriment. The ominous stare implies a harrowing tale, a dark secret, or a response to someone bringing a T29(76mm) to a tier 9 match.
HMNZS Achillies, later INS Delhi, played herself in the film "Battle of the River Plate". Considering that it was made only 11 years after the end of a world war, and that many of the actors fought against the Germans, (for example, Anthony Quayle, playing Commodore Harwood, was with SOE in Albania), it was rather sympathetic to the Germans.
Guess the Graf Spee's captain's chivalry left an impression.
Dean Stuart
This early in the war, there wasn't the hatred directed against the Germans as was the case later in the war, so maybe the director wanted realism?
After the war there was a general feeling of sympathy for and, in some cases bizarre interest in, Germany's situation by people in the UK. Before the war feelings towards Hitler's Germany were much more polarized then people would have you believe and even afterwards (perhaps especially afterwards, given the pitiful state of Germany's capitulation) there was a sentiment of "Hitler was bad, but Commies are worse and we don't have to hate Germans anymore". The threat of Communism made sure everyone played nice with the Germans. They were our buffer-state, after all.
The commander of the force including Duke of York at the battle of the North Cape, Admiral Fraser, also had good things to say about the commander of the Scharnhorst. The British and German surface commanders at least seemed to have attitudes that called back to an earlier age.
DurhamDave SBG
The Royal Navy and the Kreigsmarine had close ties, both before WW1, and before WW2 (at least until Hitler started violating the Treaty of Versailles)
Outstanding. Just excellent. Fascinating story beautifully retold. Note, no prisoners harmed. The end of an era. Love your Irish accent. Can’t wait to see more! 🎉
"Destroying his golf clubs", that one made me laugh
I love your attention to detail. Few others talk about the amount of smoke and the effects of darken ship and marine camouflage. Our bridge crew was convinced they had spotted a merchant tanker, even though it was clearly the JFK on the radar.
Outstanding! I really enjoy the way you track down the end histories of all involved and ships, alot of work Thank You
Ahhh...nothing says 'Christmas' more than a riveting account of WWII naval surface action. Thanks Chieftain.
Now...about that 'Bismarck'......
SS Tacoma was a Hapag Cargo Passenger vessel, (named after the Port in Washington State). She was later seized by Uruguay.
Why is it that Wargaming always have to add distracting music to TheChieftainWoT 's videos? He's interesting enough by himself, for gods sake!
It is an American thing... the music should be in an incontinence clinic
Red Tea I found that I hadn’t even noticed the background music until it was pointed out, as I was so interested in hearing this account.
But Wargaming isn't American, and Colonel Nicholas Moran is Irish, @@bigjulie3714...
@@CaptainSeato ....... Alas, just wait till your ears get to my age. Snap, crackle pop.
You'll have to say that louder then, because I'm former U.S. Army artillery.
Correct me if im wrong but I seem to recall that the Graf Spee had it's desalination equipment damaged which meant that without adequate fresh water supply she couldn't have made it back to Germany anyway.
The Graf Spee and her sisters, Admiral Scheer and Duetschland showed the flag for Germany throughout the thirties as their prestige vessels and participated in so-called "neutrality" patrols during the Spanish Civil Wars. Although technically weighing 10,000 tons they displaced 16,000 (like the Italians the Germans fudged on weights). Although the Graf Spee was lost early, the Admiral Scheer had a successful raiding cruise (19 ships and over 110,00 tons) and with the Deutchland/Lutzow did useful service throughout the war although as raiders they lost their infrastructure as the British took out the German supply ships in the Atlantic. One expert in 1939 (before the war) stated that the three ships probably would not be worthwhile commerce raiders as compared to submarines but they would have been excellent reinforcements to the Italian fleet to give it an edge over the French Med Fleet, of course the French Navy was rendered ineffective after 1940, so by 1941 these ships had used up one of their reasons for being although they proved useful in the North.
The rangefinder of the Graf Spee, the anchor, the eagle and a cannon are in Montevideo (my city)
Graf Spee oil purification equipment had also been destroyed... a rather serious problem if you have to sail a few thousand miles.......
Silentknight21 yet the brits can not claim her as a victory as Germany scuttled her
Silentknight21 - Yes. That was apparently the reason Langsdorff made port...he simply did not have access to enough 'clean' fuel to make it home...not nearly. And the fuel processing system could not be repaired before she was forced to leave Montevideo.
In the end, the Graf Spee was lost (at this time) due to a lucky hit by the British.
Graff Spee was seaworthy but as you stated her diesel fuel purification plant was destroyed in the battle. As diesel tends to attract water and the ship is at Sea this is a serious problem or more exact a crippling problem. The British may not have sunk the Graf Spee but she was an operational kill. Her kitchens were also were destroyed hence unable to feed her crew.
I thought I had already seen this when it popped up in my subs, and not just because I've heard the story from Jingles too. Ah well 3rd times the charm.
Xplosion51 begging your pardon, but I have no idea what you're on about?
You have seen this before. Chieftain forgot to make this public on his channel. It was released on the WoWS channel some time ago.
please tell the editors to consider reducing the "dum tum tum" volume, it detracts from the actual content of the video, otherwise good presentation Chieftain
If someone is interested in maritime history, I’m suggesting the history of ORP Orzel (Eagle) - one of most modern submarines at the begining if II world war. The story contains espionage, possibly psychotic skipper, escaping internation in estonian dock and sailing through the baltic see, between german warships, bumping into a u-boot and finally arriving at the white cliffs. Without any maps or instruments.
Dear chieftain, please never change 😂
very interesting Thank you I hope you can do lots more of these .. I could listen to you all day . Tanks and Ships Thank you .
HMS Ajax did not take the crew of the Graf Spee and SS Tacoma from Argentina to Germany in 1946. The 600 plus men were taken by Highland Monarch a Royal Mail Passenger ship which was escorted by HMS Ajax. Arrived 2nd February 1946 at Buenos Aires. Sailed 16th February. Freetown 26th, Lisbon 5th March, Bilbao 8th March, Hamburg 13th March.
Great vid. Not sure about the not so background "background music". Did someone lose a bet? The World Wonders.
Enjoyable storytelling. Thumbs up.
Great historical presentation! Thanks Chieftain
One of the all time great stories from WW2. There were wondeful and tragic acts of humanity on both sides of this conflict
i've already seen this but ill watch it again!
The Washington treaty applied a maximum tonnage of 10,000 tons and maximum caliber of guns of 8 inches for any ship outside of the Battleship class (max 35,000 ton and 16 inch guns) and Air craft carrier (27,000 ton and 8 inch) so the Treaty of Versailles was far stricter in restriction of German Battleships to be 10,000 tons and 11 inch guns intending to limit them to effective coastal defense roles.
I was able to ignore the annoying music only because the story and story teller were so engrossing. I hope there's more in the future! Ship stories that is, not annoying music.
there was music?
My grandad was on The Clement, the first ship sunk!
Good history lesson. Like a little naval flare.
Hi Chieftain! Thanks for this. Langsdorff may have been the rare gentleman warrior. He certainly was reluctant to sacrifice the lives of his crew in a quixotic battle. How about making a vid on this:
Second Naval Battle of Guadalcanal
U.S.S. Washington sinks Japanese battleship on November 15, 1942.
at one point Rear Admiral Willis Augustus Lee. and the Washington were the only thing standing between the IJN and the Marines on Guadalcanal.
My great uncle was onboard USS Indiana Feb.1,1944 when it collided with USS Washington.
Honorable men like Langsdorf were truly unique. Make you wonder why he killed himself. Was it honor, was it embarassment, or was it his fear of the torture.
He ended his life the same manner in which his ship had ended its life, with the aid of human crew of course, and in a strange way the Captain went with his ship to the Great Sea Beyond... I doubt he'd been allowed to return to Germany anyways, in his letter he declared full responsibility for this incident and the consequential internment of his crew by the local government as a result of having exhausted all possible options in his mind. Frankly, considering who was running the show back home, he'd never have gotten another command even if there was an exchange and probably would have been quietly disposed of like Rommel was... Its somewhat disconcerting how german officers seem so ready to commit suicide when their back is to the wall... Lastly I'd like to add that this man was humanitarian in his nature, he didn't kill if he could avoid doing so, (unless it was a evenly matched naval engagement with fair odds for both parties apparently) and by scuttling his ship he avoided the inevitable slaughter of crewmen on both sides...
I very much enjoyed this!!!
only 20k views after all this time? this is very underrated video
Ref: NavWeaps (28cm/52 [11"] SK c/28. "Admiral Graf Spee carried 100 rounds per gun during her war cruise. Her outfit consisted of 200 AP, 200 HE Nose Fuze and 200 HE Base Fuze rounds. Of these 414 were fired during the Platt River battle - all 200 HE Nose Fuze rounds, 184 HE Base Fuze and 30 AP rounds, leaving her with170 AP and 16 HE Base Fuzerounds at the close of the action..." Four hits on Exeter did not sink the British heavy cruiser. Two hits on HMS Ajax, and only one hit on HMS Achilles, not very good shooting for the pride and Flagshhip of the german navy.
Its an amazing story.
i don't know if this is the place for this but chieftain could you see if you could get good pictures or the interior of the t29 prototype? im having issues finding good info
Why did the graf spee not make a run for it. The answer is surprising.
Diesel on board the graf spee was poor quilty and need to be purified before it could be used in the engines. This was done in the purified purification plant and moved to a ready to use fuel bunker. When the ship was skuttled in only had hours of fuel left that the engines could use as the purification plant was destroyed by British shelling.
IF even if the ship escaped it would have run out if usable fuel in less than at day.
"Most of the hits scored by the British cruisers caused only minor structural and superficial damage but the oil purification plant, which was required to prepare the diesel fuel for the engines, was destroyed."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Admiral_Graf_Spee
It was Texas crude not diesel and it that that need purifying
I can never get enough retellings of Graf Spree :) Was there not a motion picture ??
It's a shame these videos didn't get more views and maybe the chief would do a few more of these
Yeah that, background, music is appropriate.
Did the British ever pick up the fuel they bought?
Pls do more videos about this topic :-)
Loving the patronising tone to this...
I was more going for "irreverent", actually
Well done. You can do more than tanks.
It's a pretty sparse premise, but I could easily watch you sardonically explain 40 minute-long WW2 stories all day. 28:40 - Clergy givin' the ole' Fascist salute. If I had a nickle for every time I'd see on of these in historical photos...
2:08 “having recently filled her tanks in Texas” did I hear that right? Why would the US let a German supply ship refill in their ports?
This was 1939, US was not in the war.
The U.S. was neutral at the time, and many nen of congress and note actually liked the nazis. I would like to stress that they of course didn't know what the nazis truly were at this point.
@@Handles-Suck-TH-cam our ambassador to England Joseph Kennedy father of John F Kennedy advocated a peace treaty with Nazi Germany and that England would soon be knocked out of the war. Then you had the isolationist movements that wanted the United States to stay out of World War II. Many of them closed up shop on December 7th 1941 for some reason. But in 1939 a neutral country shipped two combatants on either side in theory and non-combatant ships IE Merchant ships could load and off-load in a neutral countries ports
@@Handles-Suck-TH-cam I would disagree that we didn't know what the Nazis were in 1939. By then the anti-semitism was obvious to a blind man. And the outright aggression and Czechoslovakia and Poland was another strong indicator. Breaking every treaty that they had signed was probably another good indicator for the future. Roosevelt was walking a tight rope between those that wanted the United States to get involved and those that wanted the United States to be isolationist. I don't support all of Roosevelt's policies pre-war or during the war, for example in interning all Japanese-Americans oh, but he did do a remarkable job of balancing the two competing interests at the time. He also tried very hard to prepare the United States military for the war. Most American planning was based on being able to stay out of the war at least until mid 1942. Obviously the best planes in the world go up in smoke the first time a gun is fired. Pearl Harbor destroyed the grand plan of plan Orange, essentially the United States Fleet sailing from Pearl Harbor and the West Coast to engage the Japanese Fleet in the Philippines.
Loaded 2nd Sept 1939 Port Arthur
Any other Destroyermen fans here? Lots of little references and Easter eggs involving a lot of these ships and locations
Great episode sir.
Would be better without music while you talk. Especially this kind of music ..
It does feel like I'm playing the Sims.
I like it.
DrSid42 I agree. It makes it much harder for non-native speakers and the hard hearing
Good episode and interesting, nice one :)
These are so good.
Thanks for this.
Has anyone animated or illustrated this battle? @Spacedock should do it.
For Christ sake, Chief.
Graf Spee a cruiser!
Noooooo!
She was a Battleship.
NEIL SHE WAS WHAT WAS DEEMED A POCKET BATTLESHIP.IN OTHER WORDS A SCALED DOWN BATTLESHIP. AT 12 000 TONS WITH 12 MAIN ARMOUR REALLY IN EFFECT A HEAVY CRUISER WITH LIGHT ARMOUR WHICH HAD BEEN SCRAFICED FOR SPEED.NO WAY COULD SHE BE DESCRIBED AS A FULL BATTLESHIP.
Nope, she wasnt a battleship. She might have been a Battlecruiser but these 'pocket battleships' were unique to Germany.
'Battleship ' is a 'Ship of the Line' (of battle) capable of taking a place in the line of battle and slugging it out with other battleships. Hood for example, wasn't Battleship, she was a Battlecruiser, designed to hunt down commerce raiders like Graf Spee and other heavy cruisers. They were built for speed and firepower at the cost of armour. Hood arguably had no business trading blows with Bismarck, a full Battleship.
I love these vids😊
thanks again !! too bad you are not using a map to display ships/ movement
I like this
I suppose, in the 20th Century, you couldn't just send prizes into a neutral port and sell them, like they did during the Napoleonic Wars...
Just bought it for 20$....it's guns r bringing the pain for level 6
What do we want? MORE TANK VIDEOS.
When do want them? YESTERDAY!
Drachinifel looks somehow different in this one...
Looking at the stats. Her entire short career, she sank 9 merchatmen. And, of course, gob-smacked 3 British warships. But that's all. 9.
there is a reason surface raiders fell out of fashion
thanks!
Awesome
Hero
guess ill watch it again
Reupload?
check description
yes, sorry
And if you consider yourself so knowledgable ...why aren’t you so well known ?
No British ships exploded. Something was wrong with their damn cruisers that day.
Hahaha, good reference there to Beatty during the battle of Jutland.
My golf clubs.
You bastards.
man that background music is annoying
Geez, whats with that music? Bad idea.
big greywaht
how to win against a superior enemy? Swarm him with whatever you got and bribe the authorities
Interesting ...but the music is utterly annoying ...
A pity the 6 Chinese launderers don't get a mention.
The title is supposed to be a pun
he should have fought it out
mooooooooooooore
Bailed @ 26:00 the music! It hurts!
Music is annoying and bit too quirky for the subject matter.
You are NO CHIEF
Meh, il watch it again.
Motor Proberns Well it's a ship they brake down like clock work, USA Love them for Metirc is Frogen to them
I think I know the Great Grandson of von Langsdorff, he shared a flat with my ex girlfriend, he is gay and a hairdresser.
In the future lose the music with commentary. Its just annoying and hard to hear you speak. Cheers!
Thumbs down for annoying incidental music. This is pretty much unwatchable. Please fix.
whilst the music is unnecessary, your drama queen fainting spell over the music is rather ridiculous.
toughen up, cupcake.
Eh? This needs fixing, I don't see what's dramatic about pointing that out. Frankly, I don't give too much of a stuff, I'm not having any kind of a "fainting fit". Go pick a fight with someone else.
John Smith, whilst the music is unnecessary, your dumbassed comment over another comment is rather ridiculous. Toughen up, cupcake.
FTFY
wasnt mimicking other people something kids do in high school? your lack of originality makes no difference to the central point..... precious little princesses filled with angst over a tune.
Two safe spaces needed over here for high school hero and his weeping damsel in distress !! STAT !!
***PATATO***
Second
Third?
First?
i love listening to this while doing my own work or grinding
ok not going to be as mean as other people but the music started to get to me on the 11 min mark started to be the only thing I heard
big greywaht