Liverpool have been given the audio of the VAR offside injustice by the PGMOL and Mark Goldbridge can't believe what he's heard. Get in the comment with your reaction.
@@fivestarman5130 Its the point though, its probably someone who has been trained in technology and how it is used. Not a ref thats been put in a position he shouldn't be.
As a Liverpool fan I have to say thank you Mark. This isn't just about Liverpool this is bigger and it could be another team next week. They need to sort this mess out.
I was waiting for a Scouse to come out with the "if they can do this to us, they can do it to you" Guess what, they have already been doing it to us for decades but we didn't get an emergency meeting at the UN or COBRA special measures.
@@mikezappabecause other clubs didnt take it this far, they coukd have but chose not to. That's exactly WHY its gotten this bad, because no one ever holds the PGMOL to account.
It's the "Can't do anything, can't do anything" that gets me. Yes, you can. Give the bloody goal and take the flak for going against the rules because it was the right thing to do. Rules are there to guide, but logic has to take precedence over rules. They should never get to ref the PL ever again, honestly.
@@SanxBile Except it's exactly how rules work, there are always exceptions. When you make a mistake of this magnitude in the best league in the world, with potentially 100s of millions of pounds at stake, you fix it even though the official rules say you can't. Literally no one would complain about the rule being "broken", because it's just common sense to correct the mistake.
@@northpaul707yeah do the right thing lose your job and you can't provide for your family but at least you did the right thing according to football fans 😂
The Relay Operator was the only one seeing what was unfolding and tried his best to get the VAR and AVAR to do the right thing, yet their regimented way of thinking and ego stopped them doing the right thing. Who do you think gets paid the least out of all the voices we heard
EXACTLY!! like god the replay operator was the only sane one over there and they just disregarded him?? If they would’ve just put their egos aside and let him talk then this whole situation wouldn’t have happened
The worst part, on the screen they showed while using the 2d lines. It said disallowed goal check - offsides Their story doesn't line up with the facts. I hope Liverpool continue with their actions
@@eiler1987 Glad someone else is pointing this out here! It’s maddening! The tech guy sees the on-decision is clearly offside before the check. Everyone in the stadium and the commentators see it being given as offside. It’s on the screen banner which all the VAR can see. It is NOT PLAUSIBLE they believed it had been given. All the details suggest otherwise and people are taking it at face value because they sound like idiots. But when the replay operator says it had been disallowed, he needs to repeat himself over and again to a AVAR who’s playing dumb and making bizarre statements in response like “offside, goal, yeah”. Do their eyes and ears and mouth not work properly? They start becoming much clearer and matter-of-fact when justifying a non-intervention, but can’t understand nor issue clear statements before the fact.
@@richierichie1332not really surprising tbh. He's always been near universally considered the best referee in the PL. Not because he's exceptional, more than he's the best out of an awful bunch
Thanks for standing in the breach where others have back-tracked Mark. You've gained a lot of Liverpool supporters respect with how you've voiced your anger over this debacle. I'm sure i'm not the only LFC fan who appreciates you mate. Top man!!
They should treat it like Air Traffic Control, where clarity of communication is critical, and each participant in the conversation has clearly defined roles. And yes, the rules MUST change to allow mistakes to be rolled back.
He clearly saw it, but didn’t clearly shout “ON SIDE!” or “no, what are you doing?! it’s a GOAL!” He just said really quickly “on”. What does that mean? Play on? On we go?
As a Liverpool fan.. Rivalries aside Mark. THANKYOU !! You're a legit proper football fan 👏 Regardless of what team you support, we should all get behind this 💯
System that defaults to “check complete” instead of saying the decision is horrible. If they just said “VAR DECISION ONSIDE” or “VAR DECISION PENALTY” Instead of “check complete”, the problem goes away…
The banner read “disallowed goal” and check for offside. The commentators and everyone knew that the goal had been disallowed before the check. Those in VAR knew what happened to that point. VAR and AVAR played dumb, were intentionally vague up until the point of refusing to correct the decision. The replay operator seemed entirely baffled and had to repeat himself verbatim multiple times, as though VAR’s eyes and ears had stopped working whilst everyone else could understand what was happening; that is absolutely not normal and seemed very intentional.
That's a laughable level of incompetence on display right there. Even more insane that it wasn't even the ref who initially noticed the mistake. Makes you wonder what the hell they were looking at in the VAR studio
It does make you wonder what VAR can and can’t see. The replay guy realised the mistake first. Maybe he could see the live pictures of play restarting before the VAR. Who knows
I watch rugby. I watch cricket. The sheer difference in protocol and organization for a off-field review in those sports vs football is ABSOLUTELY staggering. No talking over each other, working together to get the right decision. It's ridiculous.
this is the same company for all sports mentioned. it’s the crap officials feeling sorry for themselves that their jobs aren’t as important anymore not allowing tech to be implemented as fully as it needs to be to be successful
Just an observation. The original PGMOL story is BS. Right after the goal was scored, the ref said: "Coming back to the offside mate". The VAR guy followed up with "checking the offside"! They KNEW that the call was offside. And they followed up with "check complete". Meaning they've validated the offside call after determining that the goal was valid. Twilight zone.
Replay operator: “Wait, wait, wait, wait. The on-field decision was offside…are you happy with this?” Assistant VAR (Dan Cook): “Yeah.” Replay operator: “Are you happy with this?” That is simply incredible. They thought that the on-field decision was onside, yet here we see that they were happy with confirming the OFFSIDE on-field decision, and only after did they realise that Diaz was onside. Simply incredible.
Nah, nah the rp operator said Are you happy with the image we give them? He is not the good guy here. Remember there were no lines on the image for a reason
@ingogotico1398 he didn't draw the lines because he thought they weren't needed. He asked if they were happy with the decision on field because in var they reached a different conclusion. The replay operator didn't do anything wrong
Stupid rule overrides common sense style of works, typical for liberals governing body. Add bunch of monkeys on the jobs, and you have this outcome. That, or someone genuinely rigged the game.
If they had told the teams what happened, they most likely would have agreed to just let Liverpool score. It has been done multiple times in the past when a team scored during a play in which they were supposed to return the ball.
VAR is great. It's the protocols and the incompetent people that are bad. Getting rid of VAR would be an even bigger mistake. Protocols need to be changed and we need to start hiring the world's best referees
It should be like a flight check in a cockpit. Original decision: offside Do the lines VAR - Player position onside VAR Assistant - Onside Clear and obvious? Yes Player onside, award goal Job done Mark is spot on. Too many people wanting to say their own thing. Having a structured formula would help everyone.
The real problem for me after hearing that is, if that's the kind of chaos that goes on behind the scenes, how can you trust these people with 'any' decision? You'd imagine a technology driven process to be cold, almost mechanical, very rational, and here you have a bunch of people talking over each other, rushing things over, and appearing in complete panic over the fact that they have to go over through a simple decision. If there ever was evidence that VAR is making things worse, this is it!!!
VAR hasn't made anything worse, still more right calls than wrong. The issue is with idiotic refs that don't know how to use technology. There should be processes in place to confirm a call being made, they should repeat out the full decision and ensure it's correctly understood before making it final.
the people they put in var have zero training being a ref on pitch and a video ref are two different skill sets. they should have took retired or nearing retired officials to train as var officials
Can't imagine how the reply operator felt! he tried and tried but the VAR officials intentionally played dumb. and when him and the Oli tried to correct what is happening Darren England stopped them. Unbelievable. How can they get away with this ?
Your coverage of this situation has been nothing other than professional, putting rivalries and all aside for the greater good of the sport we all love !
As a spurs fan, the goal should have stood, I was shocked when it wasn't given, this shows how incompetent they all are. Nothing will change tho, it never does... more and more errors will happen I just wonder when will it reach its limit of errors...
@@SuperMillhillyou scousers think everything's corrupt and against you. People are in roles they are too incompetent for in every walk of life whether it's refs, police, army, doctors, lawyers there's useless people everywhere.
@SuperMillhill it's not corruption, this could happen to any team... It's just shocking it happens in big games like this. It shouldn't even happen in the first place in a league like the prem. I'm glad it's getting the lime light like it is, I just wonder if it happened against a team like Luton or Sheffield would it be getting this much attention.
just proves what I commented elsewhere before hearing it; they are more bothered about following their so called procedures rather than actually doing the right thing
what a great point Mark makes , if an award of a penalty is missed, game goes on , the view it , game is stopped to award the penalty , but it cant be stopped to award a legitimate goal , wheres the sense
To be fair the equivalent scenario would be a penalty not being given by VAR then later they see it is a penalty and stop the game to award it. Don't think I've seen that happen and the current rules seems to not allow it. Terrible rule in my opinion, just use common sense.
@bobcg100 the rules allow it. If the situation was analyzed and decided on. They can't re-review the situation. So if a Pen was what they said to be given and the ref didnt. They would not be doing as review. Ofcourse refs aren't bright enough to understand their own rules
Also look at the clip of Simon Hooper during the Spurs throw in. He could clearly HEAR the VAR room. It's a complete lie that he wasn't aware of what was going on.
I'm not particularly a rugby fan, but all you have to do is look at how they use similar tech - only 2 or 3 voices on the line, clear communication, rational explanations and definite decisions.
Those officials for what ever reason both on and off the pitch. Had the full intention that the result of that game was the result of the game. Liverpool where never meant to win that game and they made it happen.
For people who will listen to it, or if you go and listen again The voice who says 'offside, check complete' and 'cant do anything. Can't do anything ' That fella had literally just flown out to Man Cities owners' country United Arab Emirates.
Let's face it, no one is gonna want England reffing one of their games again in future. At the best a numpty, at the worst corrupt. Kudos to the replay operator though. The only one doing their job well.
As a Liverpool fan I do feel a bit calmer, even though the rules are ridiculous and they feel they couldn't change it. They did notice it, the rules are just bad. This should spark a change, before the next game is kicked off. But hearing them effing and jeffing actually realising the mistake does help. Because in my mind I was expecting some sort of bias nonsense.
It's still not good enough, they're still complete morons who can't think critically and get buried under protocol and bureaucracy. To hell with it. Just shout into the refs ear: "STOP THE GAME IMMEDIATELY. THAT WAS A GOAL." Sure they get a slap on the wrist for breaking the rules, but who cares, it's a stupid rule anyway. And can you imagine the credit they'd be getting for preserving the integrity of the game? Instead all 4 of those fools decided to stay silent and in the process ruined their reputations.
Im a spurs fan but i was confused about it, but they followed the rules properly, they just thought they were making a different decision. I also want to ask if the reaction would be this severe if it was spurs who were robbed of a goal instead. I dont think it would, i think the general reaction would be that its 'typical spurs'. So while i do feel sympathy, i do feel it is a sort of justice as liverpool have benefited more from var mistakes than any other team since the introduction of var. The problem is that var is being operated with pre var rules. That is why they cant go back after a decision is made. Because pre var rules say that officials cant go back and change decision after. The rules should have been adjusted to allow more chance to go back and change incorrect decisions.
@@flakygaming2647 How can you say they followed the rules properly if they didn't even know what the on field decision was? And I think you're wrong to suggest that the reaction from the masses would have been any different were this to happen to Spurs. This isn't an issue of tribalism; this cuts deeply into the integrity of the process we as fans are told to trust, and everyone can feel it equally. Everyone not peddling an agenda thinks, "This could happen to my team next," and they will fight against it. We can't let tribalism stop us from holding the PGMOL to a professional standard.
The ref should have stopped game, clarified the onside decision with the muppets on VAR. Then spoke with the two Captains, awarded the goal, and pointed to the centre spot, for a Spurs restart.
As a Liverpool supporter, I've accepted that there probably won't be any changes to the game/result/loss points/etc. But as a football supporter, I'm just glad this is being pursued for the sake of future matches that can be affected
Coming from a Liverpool fan, you’re a legend, Mark. Thank you for speaking out and standing up for the sake of the game, regardless of your allegiances.
Just like in aviation, they need standardized communication and wording so that there are no misunderstandings. No confusion, no ego, no BS, no misunderstanding and everyone knows what to do. There are almost no mistakes in air traffic control. Simple training , standardization and regulation of communication could solve the problem.
Great update. Great video. This whole fiasco is a complete head scratcher!!! Where do we go from here? Who knows, I’d send in Ronnie Pickering. At least he gets his message across
Don’t blame the VAR technology for this. Get competent refs to operate it with a proper system and it will work out very well. Look at other top leagues in Europe, I don’t see anyone complaining in those. Yet this is the best league in the world and can’t fix the officiating.
Spot on again Mark totally agree with all you say. I hope Liverpool pursue this all the way. The very idea of football is to score goals so when a goal is scored and officials say it wasn't a goal when it clearly was...what is the point of competing!
Always had a feeling EPL was rigged. These mistakes I feel are premeditated. This is not SH first blunder, and its not refereeing first blunder. They keep happening. Feeling very sad for Liverpool being robbed of a potential win, and I’m not a Liverpool fan.
Finally found a comment I agree with. Saddest thing is most fans and including Liverpool fans still thinks it’s just so called error, shambles or whatever brainwashed word that takes away from its reality. Corruption and match fixing.
Who remembers when Man Utd were given a penalty vs Brighton even though the game had ended? It's stupid that they couldn't stop the game. This is just absurd. The best example of assisted officiating is in cricket, the communication between the third umpire and the on-field umpire is so clear. There's no chance of something like this happening.
The more worrying issue is if they can’t get a factual decision correct such as offside, how can anyone trust the hundreds of decisions that have been made on subjective incidents such as penalties and red cards?
I agree that other clubs need to get involved as this is unavoidable in a pro league worth billions. The VAR officials sounded like they were too busy to bother looking. The PL needs to follow Rugby on this. Clear intelligent explanation.
As I commented on an earlier vid about this: The PGMOL do not exist to improve the standard of refereeing in England. They exist to protect their members. Total Old Boy's club.
Great video, mate. Very to the point, and you've picked up on a few things that I had actually missed. Definitely we all need for this to not just go quietly away now!
It shows that VAR can work with the people behind it, but it needs to be the RIGHT people. Cause if some of them can't figure out the correct course of action, then there is no chance VAR will succeed.
Can't believe they have rejected the reds appeal on Curtis Jones sending off. Someone's throwing their toys out the pram because the reds aren't backing down.
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Give the replay operator a medal
The fact that it wasn't even a trained referee who was first to notice the mistake as well😭
@@fivestarman5130 Its the point though, its probably someone who has been trained in technology and how it is used.
Not a ref thats been put in a position he shouldn't be.
PL needs more untrained refs than trained.....
Everyone is right when they say technical nerds should run var alone
@@fivestarman5130lad exactly that!
As a Liverpool fan I have to say thank you Mark.
This isn't just about Liverpool this is bigger and it could be another team next week. They need to sort this mess out.
Those guys in the VAR booth don't reassure me of the future. They sound amateur
I was waiting for a Scouse to come out with the "if they can do this to us, they can do it to you" Guess what, they have already been doing it to us for decades but we didn't get an emergency meeting at the UN or COBRA special measures.
@@mikezappaso what do you want exactly, besides a quick moan?
Right
@@mikezappabecause other clubs didnt take it this far, they coukd have but chose not to.
That's exactly WHY its gotten this bad, because no one ever holds the PGMOL to account.
It's the "Can't do anything, can't do anything" that gets me. Yes, you can. Give the bloody goal and take the flak for going against the rules because it was the right thing to do. Rules are there to guide, but logic has to take precedence over rules. They should never get to ref the PL ever again, honestly.
You nailed this statement 🎉
That's not how rules work.
@@SanxBile Except it's exactly how rules work, there are always exceptions. When you make a mistake of this magnitude in the best league in the world, with potentially 100s of millions of pounds at stake, you fix it even though the official rules say you can't. Literally no one would complain about the rule being "broken", because it's just common sense to correct the mistake.
@@northpaul707yeah do the right thing lose your job and you can't provide for your family but at least you did the right thing according to football fans 😂
@northpaul707 I wish that was the case, it just isn't. The outcome of high stake situations are rarely decided by common sense.
“I can’t do anything, I can’t do anything” absolute joke, disgraceful from VAR
The Relay Operator was the only one seeing what was unfolding and tried his best to get the VAR and AVAR to do the right thing, yet their regimented way of thinking and ego stopped them doing the right thing. Who do you think gets paid the least out of all the voices we heard
EXACTLY!! like god the replay operator was the only sane one over there and they just disregarded him?? If they would’ve just put their egos aside and let him talk then this whole situation wouldn’t have happened
The worst part, on the screen they showed while using the 2d lines. It said disallowed goal check - offsides
Their story doesn't line up with the facts. I hope Liverpool continue with their actions
@@eiler1987 Glad someone else is pointing this out here! It’s maddening! The tech guy sees the on-decision is clearly offside before the check. Everyone in the stadium and the commentators see it being given as offside. It’s on the screen banner which all the VAR can see. It is NOT PLAUSIBLE they believed it had been given. All the details suggest otherwise and people are taking it at face value because they sound like idiots.
But when the replay operator says it had been disallowed, he needs to repeat himself over and again to a AVAR who’s playing dumb and making bizarre statements in response like “offside, goal, yeah”.
Do their eyes and ears and mouth not work properly? They start becoming much clearer and matter-of-fact when justifying a non-intervention, but can’t understand nor issue clear statements before the fact.
Apparently, he's the only one who isn't a 'trained' referee... Says it all!
Can’t believe they didn’t listen to Michael Oliver when he said the game should be delayed. Shocking
Absolutely agree with you
the fact that michael oliver was the one making the most sense here is shocking
‘There’s nothing I can do’ bro thought he was Napoleon😭
@@richierichie1332not really surprising tbh. He's always been near universally considered the best referee in the PL. Not because he's exceptional, more than he's the best out of an awful bunch
@@richierichie1332 that’s what I’m saying says a lot about this officials
Thanks for standing in the breach where others have back-tracked Mark. You've gained a lot of Liverpool supporters respect with how you've voiced your anger over this debacle. I'm sure i'm not the only LFC fan who appreciates you mate. Top man!!
no deffinetly ima lfc fan and this is why i listen to mark
Same. At some point we all have to fight to protect football on a level deeper than clubs.
I’m also a LIV fan & I find all my news here.. keep it up
Mark can be biased to us at times but other than that he's a living legend
Yeah I'm a scouser and lfc supporter and he has respect and talks sense
They should treat it like Air Traffic Control, where clarity of communication is critical, and each participant in the conversation has clearly defined roles. And yes, the rules MUST change to allow mistakes to be rolled back.
A few words to say. Lad said "offside goal, yeah"
"Let's toss a toin. Heads, it's onside. Tails, it's off..."
@@LetMeEat-KalvinPhillipscoss a toin?
toss a coin?
sure you wiuld get it right lol not
@@Phat88Tonyno cos I'm not a trained professional
Hotel, ticket, trivago
Thank you Mark for making these videos it has to be highlighted what a terrible mistake this was.
It wasn't a mistake, it was match fixing....
@@nicolasnicolas3889as much as I’d agree, it’s so hard to prove
The whole world is against them. Always the victim @@nicolasnicolas3889oh, poor Liverpool.
@@nicolasnicolas3889lol
Huh? Match fixing. Joel Matip was in on it?
Interesting how the 2 people that knew it was wrong were the computer operator and the guy that runs the Hub. The 2 'trained referees' were clueless
People believe it's incompetence but there's corruption here somewhere as well.
It was a shambolic interaction between the VAR and the ref
This is a distraction. There was no intent to award Liverpool a goal. They knew what they were doing
@@Four_rl Nice conspiracy, they were just incompetent...
@@notaspeck6104that’s why they were in Saudi the day before . Also it’s a theory not a conspiracy
Absolutely what a joke!@@Four_rl
As a united fan I take great pleasure in your clubs shortcomings but this wasn't right
You're so right! I've seen them go back for penalties 5 minutes after! Disallowing a goal is ten times worse
Have a small bit of sympathy for the guy who questioned the goal being disallowed. He clearly saw that It wasent offside
he wasnt a var or ref just the tech guy lol
He clearly saw it, but didn’t clearly shout “ON SIDE!” or “no, what are you doing?! it’s a GOAL!” He just said really quickly “on”. What does that mean? Play on? On we go?
He’s the one who realised the mistake first, perhaps because he’s the replay guy and can see they’ve restarted the game before the VAR and AVAR
You mean reply operator?
@@themadmoderator8465Still better than those two clowns who were on Var
As a Liverpool fan.. Rivalries aside Mark. THANKYOU !!
You're a legit proper football fan 👏
Regardless of what team you support, we should all get behind this 💯
System that defaults to “check complete” instead of saying the decision is horrible. If they just said “VAR DECISION ONSIDE” or “VAR DECISION PENALTY” Instead of “check complete”, the problem goes away…
I agree, that "Check complete" should be followed by "GOAL" or "NO GOAL"
and that is so simple, literally something a programmer with 1 day of experience can make
@@Azzazz1n97 We are dealing with football authorities, so logic goes out the window with these clowns.
The banner read “disallowed goal” and check for offside. The commentators and everyone knew that the goal had been disallowed before the check. Those in VAR knew what happened to that point. VAR and AVAR played dumb, were intentionally vague up until the point of refusing to correct the decision. The replay operator seemed entirely baffled and had to repeat himself verbatim multiple times, as though VAR’s eyes and ears had stopped working whilst everyone else could understand what was happening; that is absolutely not normal and seemed very intentional.
I agree, VAR should have said their decision. Check complete is onside/penalty/foul/etc.
That's a laughable level of incompetence on display right there. Even more insane that it wasn't even the ref who initially noticed the mistake. Makes you wonder what the hell they were looking at in the VAR studio
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they probably playing fortnite on on VAR montors
@@fabbulous2 aw hell naw they out here cranking 90s on Liverpool
It does make you wonder what VAR can and can’t see. The replay guy realised the mistake first. Maybe he could see the live pictures of play restarting before the VAR. Who knows
@@fabbulous2That’s exactly what’s happening, sitting there twiddling their thumbs drinking cups of tea earning easy money.
As a Liverpool fan total respect mark 👏👏👏
I watch rugby. I watch cricket. The sheer difference in protocol and organization for a off-field review in those sports vs football is ABSOLUTELY staggering. No talking over each other, working together to get the right decision. It's ridiculous.
this is the same company for all sports mentioned. it’s the crap officials feeling sorry for themselves that their jobs aren’t as important anymore not allowing tech to be implemented as fully as it needs to be to be successful
Well Done Mark Keep Up The Good Work Mate 👍
“Not that I’ve ever been to one” 😂😂😂 Top content mate, as always
I feel for Liverpool even though I support United, shocking decision 💀
If this happens to united I would feel for united. This is about the integrity of the game. Rivalries aside!
@@sushipizza4439 🙌🙌
Aye things like this are just beyond team allegiance and everyone should be behind calling it out for how insane it is
We all like seeing goals scored. It's was a nice goal. It's why we all watch the game. I'd feel the same for every team.
@@86Brasco Change hopefully will come now 🙏
Just an observation. The original PGMOL story is BS. Right after the goal was scored, the ref said: "Coming back to the offside mate". The VAR guy followed up with "checking the offside"! They KNEW that the call was offside. And they followed up with "check complete". Meaning they've validated the offside call after determining that the goal was valid. Twilight zone.
he even says the word Off at the end of his sentence
@@bleepfakesLet's see if Mark mentions this at some point, not holding my breath!
Sorry but what would you have liked them to refer it as, I've never heard someone said 'checking the onside'
Exactly. What's more, he was the first saying "possible offside, Diaz". Assistant referee wanted to give a goal. This stinks.
So the PGMOL statement was a big fat lie. "VAR failed to intervene" they said in the statement. That's bs
"we cant do anything" like they didnt give ManU a pen after the final whistle vs brighton
And literally nobody supported that decision.
The was about a season or two ago pal. Pretty old history there. Not sure why you named dropped united in there other then. You know the obvious
@@spookystorytime2774 especially since those are two completely different situations
@@spookystorytime2774 dont get defensive mate, all they meant was that VAR could've done something after realizing their screw up
@@gabrielhicks8043 also I agree VAR should have delayed the game and made the right decision. Not disagreeing on that
Replay operator: “Wait, wait, wait, wait. The on-field decision was offside…are you happy with this?”
Assistant VAR (Dan Cook): “Yeah.”
Replay operator: “Are you happy with this?”
That is simply incredible. They thought that the on-field decision was onside, yet here we see that they were happy with confirming the OFFSIDE on-field decision, and only after did they realise that Diaz was onside. Simply incredible.
Nah, nah the rp operator said Are you happy with the image we give them?
He is not the good guy here. Remember there were no lines on the image for a reason
@ingogotico1398 he didn't draw the lines because he thought they weren't needed. He asked if they were happy with the decision on field because in var they reached a different conclusion. The replay operator didn't do anything wrong
Assistant VAR comes our worst I reckon. Just agrees with whatever anyone tells him like a mug. “Offside goal, yeah”. What?
EXACTLY!
Assistant VAR said "Offside goal yeah" 🥴
communication is key. they don’t have it. Also the way Mark describes things is hilarious 😂😂
Creasing about the medication bit 😂😂
Seems even worse now. Simon KNEW they made an egregious error and doubled down on poor calls in the 2nd half.
Why exactly couldn’t they stop the game as soon as they realised, was only a few seconds after the ref blew the whistle
Apparently IFAB rules prevent it and only allows it in a few limited circumstances.
because pedantry is more important to refs than common sense and fairplay
Stupid rule overrides common sense style of works, typical for liberals governing body. Add bunch of monkeys on the jobs, and you have this outcome. That, or someone genuinely rigged the game.
@@kinginthenorth5267 IFAB rules also say when a valid goal is scored, it is counted. The rules were already broken before.
If they had told the teams what happened, they most likely would have agreed to just let Liverpool score. It has been done multiple times in the past when a team scored during a play in which they were supposed to return the ball.
Not really. VAR is contentious.
Unfortunately I doubt Spurs would have agreed to that when it was 0-0
@@jimmybloxham3434idk if they would or wouldn’t but it would be asking a lot of them
They stop the game for literally anything in the ground. This is larger than a VAR issue. They asked for the game to stop.
VAR is great. It's the protocols and the incompetent people that are bad. Getting rid of VAR would be an even bigger mistake. Protocols need to be changed and we need to start hiring the world's best referees
It should be like a flight check in a cockpit.
Original decision: offside
Do the lines
VAR - Player position onside
VAR Assistant - Onside
Clear and obvious? Yes
Player onside, award goal
Job done
Mark is spot on. Too many people wanting to say their own thing. Having a structured formula would help everyone.
The real problem for me after hearing that is, if that's the kind of chaos that goes on behind the scenes, how can you trust these people with 'any' decision? You'd imagine a technology driven process to be cold, almost mechanical, very rational, and here you have a bunch of people talking over each other, rushing things over, and appearing in complete panic over the fact that they have to go over through a simple decision. If there ever was evidence that VAR is making things worse, this is it!!!
VAR hasn't made anything worse, still more right calls than wrong. The issue is with idiotic refs that don't know how to use technology. There should be processes in place to confirm a call being made, they should repeat out the full decision and ensure it's correctly understood before making it final.
And zero accountability.
the people they put in var have zero training being a ref on pitch and a video ref are two different skill sets. they should have took retired or nearing retired officials to train as var officials
@@themadmoderator8465 Anybody could do that job mate, any level of education litrally anybody could do VAR no problem at all.
Opportunity for them to use taxpayers’ money to pump more finances into “improvements”
Darren England "Check complete, its fine, perfect... off" That is no human error. Cheating of the highest order.
"CAN'T DO ANYTHING! "
Can't imagine how the reply operator felt! he tried and tried but the VAR officials intentionally played dumb. and when him and the Oli tried to correct what is happening Darren England stopped them. Unbelievable. How can they get away with this ?
how? cos the arabs say they can, that's how.
"Intentionally played dumbed".
Exactly. They are not as dumb as they wanted to be seen.
If only Premier league clubs weren't so commercially affiliated, there'd actually be a strike about this
If liverpool didn't put the frighteners on them we wouldn't be hearing this.
They need respect because other clubs are shook
Really loving the content, have to say as a Liverpool fan that it’s refreshing to hear someone who actually just cares about football.
Agree.. he is the true football fan..
Your coverage of this situation has been nothing other than professional, putting rivalries and all aside for the greater good of the sport we all love !
They're are clueless in that VAR room
As a spurs fan, the goal should have stood, I was shocked when it wasn't given, this shows how incompetent they all are. Nothing will change tho, it never does... more and more errors will happen I just wonder when will it reach its limit of errors...
Nobody disputes whether it was a goal or not. The problem is why it was not awarded
@@paulmartin9194Because they are corrupt and didn't want Liverpool to be given the goal
@@SuperMillhillyou scousers think everything's corrupt and against you. People are in roles they are too incompetent for in every walk of life whether it's refs, police, army, doctors, lawyers there's useless people everywhere.
@@SuperMillhillbro I'm LFC, and I don't think it's a conspiracy against us bc they are fully stupid in every game
@SuperMillhill it's not corruption, this could happen to any team... It's just shocking it happens in big games like this. It shouldn't even happen in the first place in a league like the prem. I'm glad it's getting the lime light like it is, I just wonder if it happened against a team like Luton or Sheffield would it be getting this much attention.
The VAR had a holiday in UAE Thursday before game, the reason he couldn't stop the game because he would have to give his pay check back
just proves what I commented elsewhere before hearing it; they are more bothered about following their so called procedures rather than actually doing the right thing
If any of us had a blunder of similar consequence at our place of work we all would have gotten the sack…
Chef: John, you've pissed in the soup! Put it down, don't give it to the customers!
John the Waiter: Can't do anything.
Talking of Gary Neville , he's fairly changed his tune over the last 24 hours !! ( must have got the memo from sky !! 😉).
It’s amazing to me that every other sport has figured out how to use VAR and football hasn’t.
They don't want to
Not even football as a whole, but the prem league... Uefa hasn't had this problem, hell the Qataris even had a pretty tidy use of VAR at the WC.
@@jamesjenkins8364True.
The prem is the problem
what a great point Mark makes , if an award of a penalty is missed, game goes on , the view it , game is stopped to award the penalty , but it cant be stopped to award a legitimate goal , wheres the sense
To be fair the equivalent scenario would be a penalty not being given by VAR then later they see it is a penalty and stop the game to award it. Don't think I've seen that happen and the current rules seems to not allow it. Terrible rule in my opinion, just use common sense.
@bobcg100 the rules allow it. If the situation was analyzed and decided on. They can't re-review the situation. So if a Pen was what they said to be given and the ref didnt. They would not be doing as review.
Ofcourse refs aren't bright enough to understand their own rules
Also look at the clip of Simon Hooper during the Spurs throw in. He could clearly HEAR the VAR room. It's a complete lie that he wasn't aware of what was going on.
I'm not particularly a rugby fan, but all you have to do is look at how they use similar tech - only 2 or 3 voices on the line, clear communication, rational explanations and definite decisions.
Those officials for what ever reason both on and off the pitch. Had the full intention that the result of that game was the result of the game. Liverpool where never meant to win that game and they made it happen.
We should definitely vote mark in power to tackle the corruption in the pgmol. He’s actually not backtracked once and stood up for football.
Hold on why should a united fan be in power?
For people who will listen to it, or if you go and listen again
The voice who says 'offside, check complete' and 'cant do anything. Can't do anything '
That fella had literally just flown out to Man Cities owners' country United Arab Emirates.
Let's face it, no one is gonna want England reffing one of their games again in future. At the best a numpty, at the worst corrupt. Kudos to the replay operator though. The only one doing their job well.
Do you mean one of the most luxurious places to go visit?
Thank you Mark for your honesty
Imagine that sort of conversation in the cockpit of a plane😱
Absolutely beyond words and ideas! 😮
As a Liverpool fan I do feel a bit calmer, even though the rules are ridiculous and they feel they couldn't change it. They did notice it, the rules are just bad. This should spark a change, before the next game is kicked off. But hearing them effing and jeffing actually realising the mistake does help. Because in my mind I was expecting some sort of bias nonsense.
It's still not good enough, they're still complete morons who can't think critically and get buried under protocol and bureaucracy. To hell with it. Just shout into the refs ear: "STOP THE GAME IMMEDIATELY. THAT WAS A GOAL." Sure they get a slap on the wrist for breaking the rules, but who cares, it's a stupid rule anyway. And can you imagine the credit they'd be getting for preserving the integrity of the game? Instead all 4 of those fools decided to stay silent and in the process ruined their reputations.
Im a spurs fan but i was confused about it, but they followed the rules properly, they just thought they were making a different decision. I also want to ask if the reaction would be this severe if it was spurs who were robbed of a goal instead. I dont think it would, i think the general reaction would be that its 'typical spurs'. So while i do feel sympathy, i do feel it is a sort of justice as liverpool have benefited more from var mistakes than any other team since the introduction of var. The problem is that var is being operated with pre var rules. That is why they cant go back after a decision is made. Because pre var rules say that officials cant go back and change decision after. The rules should have been adjusted to allow more chance to go back and change incorrect decisions.
@@flakygaming2647 Don't know if it would have been the same reaction, but it should be, no matter which team would have been affected by it.
I blame leadership and rule makers. They have put refs in bad place. Mistakes will happen and they do not allow any way to retract mistakes.
@@flakygaming2647 How can you say they followed the rules properly if they didn't even know what the on field decision was? And I think you're wrong to suggest that the reaction from the masses would have been any different were this to happen to Spurs. This isn't an issue of tribalism; this cuts deeply into the integrity of the process we as fans are told to trust, and everyone can feel it equally. Everyone not peddling an agenda thinks, "This could happen to my team next," and they will fight against it. We can't let tribalism stop us from holding the PGMOL to a professional standard.
Thank you Mark for your unbiased and level headed take on this whole situation, from a liverpool fan 👍
They should never say check complete.. it should only be onside onside, goal given or offside offside, goal disallowed..
check complete means fack all. They could be checking the menu for supper for all we know. PRATTS.
The ref should have stopped game, clarified the onside decision with the muppets on VAR. Then spoke with the two Captains, awarded the goal, and pointed to the centre spot, for a Spurs restart.
As a Liverpool supporter, I've accepted that there probably won't be any changes to the game/result/loss points/etc. But as a football supporter, I'm just glad this is being pursued for the sake of future matches that can be affected
Same here mate
Liverpool fan here and you’ve absolutely nailed it Mark 👍
Coming from a Liverpool fan, you’re a legend, Mark. Thank you for speaking out and standing up for the sake of the game, regardless of your allegiances.
Well done Mark, you have stated what a lot of fans think. 👍
Listening to Dermot Gallagher talk right after they played it on SSN was just as infuriating as listening to the VAR booth.
Gatekeeping at it's finest
He's such a wet lettuce
Just like in aviation, they need standardized communication and wording so that there are no misunderstandings. No confusion, no ego, no BS, no misunderstanding and everyone knows what to do. There are almost no mistakes in air traffic control. Simple training , standardization and regulation of communication could solve the problem.
On top of all this they upheld Jones's red card which was never a red card to begin with.
Great update. Great video.
This whole fiasco is a complete head scratcher!!!
Where do we go from here?
Who knows, I’d send in Ronnie Pickering. At least he gets his message across
Might be naive of me but it's amazing how rugby incorporated tmo reviews and its worked mostly very well and hasn't translated to football
" I can't do anything. I can't do anything" ...that said it all
Well said Mark. Absolutely spot on
Liverpool fan here,,,all I wanna say is Thank you Mark ❤
Don’t blame the VAR technology for this. Get competent refs to operate it with a proper system and it will work out very well. Look at other top leagues in Europe, I don’t see anyone complaining in those. Yet this is the best league in the world and can’t fix the officiating.
Spot on again Mark totally agree with all you say. I hope Liverpool pursue this all the way. The very idea of football is to score goals so when a goal is scored and officials say it wasn't a goal when it clearly was...what is the point of competing!
Well done Mark. You have spoke about this incident better than anyone else. Nailed it
Always had a feeling EPL was rigged. These mistakes I feel are premeditated. This is not SH first blunder, and its not refereeing first blunder. They keep happening. Feeling very sad for Liverpool being robbed of a potential win, and I’m not a Liverpool fan.
Yep, this. The 'chaos' heard is the smokescreen they use to manipulate decisions, games, and, (dare I say it?), titles
@@b8nnytez Absolutely. What a shame
Finally found a comment I agree with. Saddest thing is most fans and including Liverpool fans still thinks it’s just so called error, shambles or whatever brainwashed word that takes away from its reality. Corruption and match fixing.
Big $ at stake. Especially this game.
Who remembers when Man Utd were given a penalty vs Brighton even though the game had ended? It's stupid that they couldn't stop the game. This is just absurd. The best example of assisted officiating is in cricket, the communication between the third umpire and the on-field umpire is so clear. There's no chance of something like this happening.
i love mark as a liverpool fan for supporting us ty ♥
Absolutely right Mark…..couldn’t agree more.
The more worrying issue is if they can’t get a factual decision correct such as offside, how can anyone trust the hundreds of decisions that have been made on subjective incidents such as penalties and red cards?
I agree that other clubs need to get involved as this is unavoidable in a pro league worth billions. The VAR officials sounded like they were too busy to bother looking. The PL needs to follow Rugby on this. Clear intelligent explanation.
Im a liverpool fan and I listen to Mark more than any other podcast because he is true to the game. I appreciate your honesty
LFC fan here. I actually subscribed to your channel a few months ago because you speak the truth and love football. Much appreciated.
This is a very good channel Mark - from a Liverpool fan. 👍👍
I’ve been refreshing waiting for this video to drop. You are a legend Mark
As I commented on an earlier vid about this: The PGMOL do not exist to improve the standard of refereeing in England. They exist to protect their members. Total Old Boy's club.
No leadership, no one in control!
Why couldnt we hear the ref or the fourth official? Surely the ref asks to confirm the outcome? To make sure he heard it correctly
Compare that to how Rugby referees communicate with TMO.
Howard Webb has to go, he's the boss, the buck stops with him
Great video, mate. Very to the point, and you've picked up on a few things that I had actually missed. Definitely we all need for this to not just go quietly away now!
This is the worst corruption I’ve seen ever 💯
It shows that VAR can work with the people behind it, but it needs to be the RIGHT people. Cause if some of them can't figure out the correct course of action, then there is no chance VAR will succeed.
Thank you Mark for being a true football fan as always.
I’m a Liverpool Fan , Cheers for the comments Mark 👍👌🏻🌟
Mark! I am an Liverpool fan but you have become an idol! Way to go man! You are the loveliest Man U fans we have ever seen! RESPECT!
Can't believe they have rejected the reds appeal on Curtis Jones sending off. Someone's throwing their toys out the pram because the reds aren't backing down.
fantastic content Mark as always, a serious issue delivered with a pinch of humour. best channel on YT
Great video, Mark. Just for that, I'll cheer for United today. YNWA.
Spot on once again, mark. I hope liverpool will start the fight for better rules and VAR protocols. From Liverpool supporter
"Offside yeah,goal yeah" 😂