This shouldn't even be a debate! Choose the right tool! Axe or Tomahawk
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The tomahawk was a light tool and a weapon, that is what we need to remember. It was as useful as a knife in a pinch. If you look at the historical facts real axes were used on the home front and the tomahawk was used for skinning and light wood collecting in the field.
And in battle when you were out of loaded guns.
I mean yes , but most historical axes we'd call tomahawks today would have been considered primarily tools back in the head because even something like the trail hawk is heavy compared to special made weapons , they were used as belt axes and even a 1lbs tomahawk can fell a tree as thick as your leg with relative ease
Also it’s easier to carve a round poll for a tomohawk than an oval for an axe in an emergency. Tomahawks do not have fixed head and therefore can be taken down for carriage.
I have a Cold Steel Hudson Bay Tomahawk and I love it. I don't throw it or anything but for a compact 22" "axe" it does very well. I gave it a convex grind, fixed up the handle, and made a sheath. If the handle breaks in the field, I can carve a new one. If a handle on an axe breaks in the field, you have a bigger problem.
@@n8reo269 if the handle on your axe breaks, your camping trip or through hike is most likely over
I generally use an axe for canoeing and base camps, however, I carry a tomahawk when lightweight hiking/camping. I separate the head to put safely in a side pocket of my pack, slide the handle into a small space internally in the pack. The weight and space taken is negligible, but the added cutting ability is great for fire set up and supplements/saves my knife. Thanks for the video.
That's pretty much what I'm thinking. Normally I carry a pretty heavy fixed blade when backpacking, but Dan's made a solid case for an axe or tomahawk as my default tool, but an axe is a fair bit of weight, so a tomahawk is a fair compromise.
Agreed!
@@hasufinheltain1390 that's what I do when I'm backpacking, I'll take my tomahawk and a small fixed blade knife, I find it to be more practical for me in the field than just a large fixed blade.
Same
@compassrosebushcraft6702, That’s a system I’ve used before. I currently prefer a modern seaxe over a tomahawk though. My Skrama splits and chops at least add well as most tomahawks, and it handles detail tasks better. Also, it can be used as a draw knife.
The light duty tasks you described can often be done just as well with a quality knife. Also, I work at an internet retailer that sells both and it is clear to me that the tomahawks we sell are made mostly for looks and not for practical use. By comparison almost all the axes we sell are made with function as a first priority. Do some research and keep that in mind when making a purchase.
For multi-day campouts or basecamp activities, I carry a hatchet. For overnights or hiking, I carry a tomahawk with a hammer pole. The hawk is lighter - and my brother made it for me, so it’s sentimental. The only think it doesn’t do as well as a hatchet is splitting wood, but I can also do that with a knife, mallet, and wedges.
All the factors that he presented is the reason I chose the Fiskars 14" hatchet. It's the middle ground between the two and it's a forever handle.
Nice comparison. It helps that you vocalized all my thoughts about the differences. Well done.
👍 Good comparison. I have used both and agree with Dan’s choice, the axe is best; for all the reasons he mentions.
I have several axes and the one I use depends on the adventure in front of me. The larger axe pretty much lives in my truck. The smaller, lighter Kephart style axe is normally with me (on my belt, on my haversack, or in my pack).
In the 18th Century our forefathers also preferred the axe from diaries I have read and living historians I have listened to.
Also, carving is generally done with an axe demonstrating this tool can be used for intricate work.
Currently my favorite “all around” axe is the Kaltoff Carving Axe.
Good video! I like seeing the pro's/con's from a bushcraft point of view.
I agree that both tools have their uses. I have been including a tomahawk in my tool set for trail work (log-outs in the PNW) for the last 2 years. It works great for limbing and debarking trees prior to bucking as well as a number of other cutting tasks. It is a very versatile tool. Of course we also carry at least one axe for chores like chopping and driving wedges. It is interesting to see how many seasoned sawyers at first scoff at the tomahawk, but then end up using it, and a few have asked where they can get one of their own. (FYI for limbing, I have found any branch too thick for the tomahawk is probably best trimmed with a hand saw rather than an axe.)
I would disagree with one point made in the video, and that is that I have yet to have the head come loose during use. I have only seen it come loose when the tool was being misused (and/or thrown).
Really good, knowledgeable and experienced content, great personality, without acting like a hero. Would love to come to your school. JT from downunder.
Excellent Presentation Dan !!!
I use both, the tomahawk is fine for me in warm weather. I switch out with a kuhkri at times. Many over the years complain about a hawk giving wrist and arm fatigue. The best thing is to practice using one for extended periods of time without a death grip. When it comes down to it everyone has to carry their own pack.
Great points. Thank you
Hello 👋 Dan, the answer man for all things outdoors. Thank you for sharing this informative video. Stay safe out there. 🤗 🖐
I put a few wraps of Gorilla tape on the handle instead of bank line. It doesn’t let the head slide down and you have the tape to use for various things such as fire starter, small repair or bandaid.
Dan, I love the video first. But 2nd... I appreciate you taking time to show and tell!
I've had a tomahawk for ages, with a spike on the tail end for digging. I've trained with it for years since the Army, so I think of it as almost a combat tool as well as general use. For heavy cutting I prefer to use a saw, with a standard issue E Tool for any digging for trenches/ pits.
Purchased your Polish Camp Shovel. Its a wonderful well made kit. I appreciate it. God Bless and Be well...
It seems that the tomahawk head can be mounted to a handle in the same fashion as a hatchet, and thus have that same advantage.
Good video Dan. Thanks for the info
Love a small axe. Thanks for sharing all of your great videos. 👍
I've tried carrying both, and I like my 'hawk. The handle is 16 inches, friction fit, but that has never been a problem. I like being able to break the tomahawk down so it packs smaller. I suppose it could be a very nasty weapon, but truthfully, it isn't my "go-to" in my mind. I have a dedicated gadget for self defense and he has a dozen little friends packed in the handle, if-you-know-what-I-mean. When I am at home, then an ax is awesome, it's getting chillier up here in Nowhere, NH, and my short ax kinda lives next to the woodstove. But for the kind of hiking and camping I do, a tomahawk is more than ample for my needs.
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Due to my climate, the south, I am not in need of the heavy axe due to not needing to process large wood. That said I can definitely see the axe being needed in colder climates. I carry a crkt chogan tomahawk for the flat hammer on the back and a folding saw, which covers everything I need.
That just goes to show the thought processed I used in choosing my cutting tools. Obviously it's different for all.
I love axes and hatchets, and I have way more than I can justify for my climate and activities. I'm on the Gulf Coast, and a full axe is seldom necessary here. If I take an axe into the woods, it's usually a 3/4 axe, or a hatchet. I more often reach for a machete for almost everything except splitting firewood. I'm often alone in a remote, off grid area, and I feel that the more tasks that I can do with something other than an axe, the safer I am. But at home in the 'burbs, I'll break out one of my restored vintage axes every chance I get!
The "biggest downfall" is resolved in 4 seconds with a strip of duct tape lol.
Good stuff, thanks!
Good info thanks
As a Muzzleloader when I was a kid (7 to 17) I used the tomahawk for just about everything because it was a universal too. I have chopped down a tree or two with one but like you said, it doesn't have the weight needed. However it is crazy sharp and still gets the job done.
I’m glad you mentioned handle replacement in field.
Always love your content brother. You have your own unique teaching style that resonates with me. Too many Dave Canterbury clones on TH-cam regurgitating what they read in bushcraft101. Keep up the great work!
Great advice as always !!
the hammering function, which you displayed, of the axe is another important aspect when bush crafting- pounding stakes.. etc..
Once again you have brought pertinent information to your followers. I’m never disappointed with your videos. Makes me wish I could still get out in the woods. Keep up the good work.
Your hawk head has sharp edges that are cutting into your handle, preventing a solid friction fit. Tomahawk is a light tool with a handle design that is easy to remake in the field. Ask yourselves this if I were lost in the winter and it's raining with one would be faster to fix if the handle broke.
love these formats
I said "that's what she said" in my head sooo many times!
Lol! Great video!
Thanks Dan. A good informative video
My hardcore survivalist hatchet is the best all-around hatchet/ax for.
Is that the one Shawn from CC has been advertising?
@@JO-rk5gu Yes it is the same one Shawn has. I got one on sale. I’m often using a hammer and a hatchet so this fit the bill perfectly. I also like the 18” handle.
@@robertrubel Thanks for the reply, I am gonna go ahead and get one
Thx for the vid.
My tomahawk handles don’t come loose when I’m using them….it helps to know how to fit a Hawk handle….thanks for the video!!!👍👍
I like ’em both. I usually end up with a small ax or hatchet. But, tomahawks are fun!
One point that wasn't mentioned is that tomahawks are lighter, so if you're doing distance hiking it can make a difference.
I carry a Tomahawk.
Personally, and this is situational for me. I prefer the tomahawk as it allows me to use optional heads in a smaller package. I have the option for the axe head, froe, adze, digging tool.
Being a smaller guy I tend to go for more finesse than power through it. If I'm going to do heavy work I'll use a chain saw.
If you don't mind me asking, where did you find the combination kit for the froe, adze and such? I've been looking for that type of option.
@@victorhausauer3018 Same here.
I think what I love most about Dan sharing his opinion is just how clear he is that it's merely an opinion and why.
I've taken to carrying a roofing hatchet as a light weight alternative to both. Not traditional, but it works well for me.
You said it!! Gonna take Both 👍
In winter I mostly use folding saw or "chain saw" with small fixed blades and a GF Wildlife Hatchet as last resort. In -35°c like lots of small controlled movements.
Probably not a good idea, but just something I do because an old timer showed me. To keep the hawk head on tighter, soak the head and handle in water for a while. The wood swells and grips the head tight.
The hawk is great for lightweight travel. That is the determining factor. There is absolutely no need for cutting up trees into logs and splitting them for firewood when traveling light.
Also depends on how much you think you’ll use it versus the weight you carry.
I have a harbor freight hickory handle I got for $7 bucks 3 years ago and it's my EDC on my bag , no kidding, actually fits my hands and holds a edge pretty good.
I like a long handled (18 - 24 inches) hatchet. You get some of the weight benefits of the tomahawk with the more secure handle of the axe. That said, I rarely need to deal with anything larger than about 4 inches in diameter since I'm unlikely to be doing true bushcraft.
The other advantage of the axe over the tomahawk that I didn’t hear you mention is that you can pound stakes, nails, etc. And you even demonstrated that when you fixed the loose head on your tomahawk!
Lots of tomohawks have a hammer back. Not to mention that hammering a nail with an axe is overkill. Tomohawk is much closer in weight to a normal claw hammer. Both tomohawks and axes can be used to make a mallet with greater weight for driving large steaks into the ground.
Thanks Coalcraker for the comparison. If I went out into the woods to build a cabin; certainly would choose an axe (what about a saw), for backpacking an axe, probably overkill. I've seen Alaskan Natives butcher carabou and salmon with an ulu (not unsimilar to your hand-held tomahawk). I guess it depends on what you want to do. As for me, a hawk, a saw, and a few knives.
I carry a Hello Werk package when I hike in and camp for longer than a day . I usually take a two week camping trip each year .
Thank you for this video. Very interesting and worthwhile discussion. If forced to choose one and only one for the rest of my life, I would take the axe.
I love all of my axes, however I have a trade hawk that stays with me wherever I go. It is properly made of a good high carbon steel, heat treated, profiled and razor sharp. It has been there to help open roads in the springtime. If needed, I can square up to 8" timbers and build a house with it.
I’m never doing heavy chopping out in the woods. I carry a Silky saw and a Council Tool Woodcrafter hatchet. The hatchet is kept as sharp as my belt knife. I can process firewood as big as I need for a campfire, make small projects, feather sticks, split kindling, etc. I’ve even used it quite easily to clean fish and small game. To my mind I never need to chop up wood more than three or four inches in diameter, I’m not building a log cabin.
Personally, i like my CRKT Woods Chogan over a standard axe head. Ive had it for a few years now and it hasnt failed me yet. Its never slipped out of my hand during chopping or splitting and ive never had the head loosen while using it. Its definitely a personality preference, but as someone born and raised in the Pennsylvania Appalachian Mountains and now having moved to Colorado, im glad i got my tomahawk with me. Its been through a lot of wood just since coming to Colorado last year. The camping and hiking is absolutely beautiful.
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Great video
I think that much of the allure and use of the tomahawk was from game processing. Where detaching the head easily was then useful to use the tool in a manner similar to how one can use and ulu.
I have a 1.5 pound Norlund Hudson bay pattern on a 26” straight hickory handle….that is my workhorse
Here's what determines if you carry an axe or a tomahawk (hatchet): are you packing a cast iron skillet? If yes then take the axe, you're not going far or deep and it's highly likely your just going to be out practicing your boutique bushcraft skills you learned on TH-cam or at the seminar with all that other gear your instructor is hustle'n on his Etsy or Ebay channel.
you can always put a screw into a screw into the metal head or into the handle up against the head
Best explanation on tube
I think head geometry plays a big role as well. The slimmer profile of a tomahawk head makes a huge advantage in my experience. I have used and prefer the tomahawk over a one handed axe.
Agreed.
And environment -
1. Type of woods/forest
2. Altitude
Reason being is in thick brush hiking and/or portaging, keeping weight and bulk minimal is best
And is one in a forest of hardwoods, or scrub oak and sage, pine and fir…makes a big difference
Altitude determines max weight one carries - if I’m going to be 10-14k versus 6500-9k, I want less weight
A tomahawk is a weapon that can be used as a tool. A flat head axe is a tool that can be used as a weapon. If you want a tool, use an axe.
Axe heads are friction fit too. They just achieve friction by pounding in a spacer either wood or metal very similar to most wood handled garden tools (shovel, hoe, rake, spade, etc) as well as framing hammers.
In Boy Scouts, we were taught to bring a hatchet. Then taught, that you could use the hatchet to cut a beach of the correct size, lash the hatchet to the branch, after prepping the branch (remove bark and look for defects), and swing at 1/3 to 1/2 strength, to use it as an axe.
I'm fairly sure, this isn't being taught any more.
Hi, the tomahawk without handle is perfect for skinning. Looks and feels like an ulu, an Inuit knife.
Yes, it's debatable depending on where in the world you're going to use it. The colder climate you're in the slower the trees grows. The slower the tree grows the harder the wood will be.
* checks trousers *
That explains that, I guess
Loved the video. For my situation, I almost never carry an axe. I don't cut big timber and make only small fires. For years, I carried only a machete and it served me well. I have recently begun carrying a hawk and I have found it very handy. I can pound tent stakes with the poll on the back side as well as chop and split any firewood I need with the business end. If you need big wood, you need an axe. If you don't, try a hawk.
I carry both at times, just depends. Love my light hawk, love my OLD marbles #9 Hatchet, and going bigger I'll take my Gransfor with me.
I have a Axe with a thinner blade on what some people use as a Hammer End. Works good for multi use in one tool.
Tomahawk is more useful. Lighter, you can make a new haft with the tomahawk head, where you need a second tool to craft a handle for an axe. The tomahawk can process all the firewood I need, and is a better weapon. I have never had to fell a tree while bush crafting. If I need to I use a chainsaw.
I have a nice combination bearded axe and adze, at a pinch you can also use it as a hammer using the side of the eye.
I agree with all the cutting uses. Although you can always use a stick to baton with, I would say the ability to pound/hammer would also be an advantage for the axe.
Nice one
I find carrying a Michigan axe, a medium hatchet and a medium adz makes my trips easier and more enjoyable. They are worth the extra weight for me to have the right tool for the job at hand.
This all makes good sense, however, for me, a comparison of a tomahawk vs a typical hatchet would help more. I use a GB Wildlife hatchet and I can’t see swapping it for anything else when it comes to medium-light duty.
For my stomping grounds (Appalachian Highlands: Cumberland Mountains and Plateau and the southern Kanawha region), it’s a hawk for 7-8 months of the year, ax for only the two coldest (when I want bulk firewood from standing dead timber), and a machete for the two hottest. Not much wood processing is needed in the summer, and spring and fall have plenty of hawk-friendly wood on the ground or hanging dead.
The type of hawk makes a big difference though. One with a hardened poll from a reputable maker such as H&B Forge is best.
I use an axe. When i need something smaller I use a hatchet. My in-between is a camp axe..shorter handle with a lighter head, it's also great for limbing. Thanks Dan for another great vid.
As someone who loves friction fit axes, you forgot the part of where you can make a longer handle for a stronger swing for felling or bucking easier. And the separate cutting tool idea does work but It's weird and it's a lot of push cutting with your thumb
My personal choice: A large fixed-blade knife and a medium-sized folding saw. My outdoor & bushcraft activities don't have felling large-diameter trees or attacking other tribes as a routine component.😂
You can get bye with a teaspoon BUT give me a TABLESPOON just a thought.
Hard to argue with any of that 👌
I go saw logs unless it's a dead tall tree. Bring it back and use a camp axe to split the arm sized wood.
Spear and Jackson's 7706FG/600g, their version of the Fiskars x7, is £16 in the UK presently ... mine arrived today : ) ... I was looking at the Cold Steel tomahawks, and I thought a removable head would be good, but £16!!
I'd love to have each, but I don't have any trees anywhere near my home.
Good video and I agree with your conclusions as well. However, I did notice your hawk handle was not properly fitted onto your hawk head. That was easy to see even on a video. A properly fitted handle seldom comes loose when using. Second, there is a third way to hold the hawk head. I also use a much longer hawk handle. Take the handle out of it and hold the eye in the palm of your hand with your fingers and thumb pointing toward the blade on opposite sides. You held your hatchet that way only with the handle still in it of course. If I could only take one, it would have to be the hatchet. If I could take both I would not hesitate to do so. Many things can be done easier with the hawk. Thanks for your great videos.
If I'm out hunting or trapping I carry a tomahawk with a hammer on the back also you can use the hawk as a wedge for splitting
Great video. I generally choose the tomahawk because I'm rarely doing the heavier work that would require an axe. Also, a tomahawk is a far superior weapon. It's lighter, faster and easier to maneuver. I do file some jimping into the handles of my tomahawks though, because you're right, the handle of a 'hawk gives far less purchase than an axe.
Now time to decide
There’s good dual purpose tactical tomahawks with synthetic handles on it that the head is screw in on the sides. An axe is tool that has its purpose as well. I got both and use my tomahawk for fine splitting of wood & the axe for bigger pieces.
You use what you have, you know, the best knife in an emergency is always the one you have with you. If I'm planning out what to bring, I choose the tomahawk and I bring a saw. I would always choose a saw for bringing a small tree down instead of making 'sharpened edge' tool dull. Like the utility of a tomahawk too, if can notch logs, trim branches and be used for protect too.
I'm going opt for the use of the axe as well, but I do have one observation. When you talk about using the edges for more fine cutting, and then talk about removing the handle from the tomahawk, you hold it as though you were going to utilize it in a completely different fashion, at least from my perspective. Of course, if you feel the need to have some sort of a handle for those times, the friction fit of the tomahawk would allow you to utilize a small handle for the purpose. Just thoughts. Thanks for all you do.
Many Hachas Jauregi heavy woodworking axes have the "tomahawk-style" handle. That's also the case in Shepherd's Axes which were weapons originally.
I totally agree with you on the axe over the tomahawk. The tomahawk is cool and everything. But an axe is more practical for me
Different places evolve different tools depending on any number of factors. In the UK copiced woodland the smaller axes look pretty similar to tomahawks, Spanish beech axes look a bit like tazzies on tomatoes handles. Understand the wilderness you are visiting and took up based on knowledge
I will always carry a hawk. Simply because it’s for lightweight travel.
100% Dan
I prefer a small(ish) axe with a tempered poll. All the benefits stated for the axe, plus a tool that will hammer anything I need hammered in the woods.