A Complete Beginner's Guide To Paradox Grand Strategy Games in 2022
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ค. 2024
- WHICH PARADOX GAME IS RIGHT FOR YOU? There are so many strategy games out there, but few are as deep or as fun as the GRAND strategy games from Paradox Development Studios. These games are characterized by depth, amazing soundtracks and a massive number of mechanics to learn, which can make it hard to know if one should even try to start playing.
In this video, I take you through the latest games in each of Paradox's game series, journeying all the way from ancient Rome to outer space, and what a journey it is!
Have you considered playing Paradox games, or are there any you haven't tried yet? What are your thoughts on the series, and which is your favorite? Let me know in the comments, and feel free to ask questions! :)
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A Complete Beginner's Guide To Refill My Wallet in 2022 next please
That one is more difficult...
Its not that easy but you need access to the black market dlc. Then after that you sell a kidney
@@AndysTake a complete guide to get bitches next? Or am I never going to get any because I play EU4?
@@phillipisayev1273 only vic 2 players get bitches sorry buddy I don't make the rules :/
It's called keys. Perfectly legal, far cheaper and mostly steam compatible.
Of course don't do this for small developers but for games with absurd DLC lists like HOI4 and EU4, I think it's justified.
Always love when a creator gives some time to judge games based off how they currently play and not off their rocky releases (particularly because I love Imperator)
Appreciate it, Crassus! I love the Imperator so much and feel like it's Paradox's biggest mistake that they turned away from it at its height - and yet, only when it finally had the foundation to become one of the best PDX games out there.
Fr, Imperator is very very underrated.
Just a shame they have officially abandoned Imperator Rome :(
@@loneirregular1280 don’t lose hope there’s still a chance it’ll pull a Vicky 2 and be back as a timeless gem in a decade or so
@@chicken4976 I want to like it but I am lost, care to recommend a good tut?
I will never forget the first time I played stellaris. Having no idea what was out there as I first sent ships beyond the solar system made for a truly magical experience.
It was and continues to be magical! :D
So great. Stellaris was my second paradox game (first was CK2). One word to describe this experience : magic
I enjoyed this until they completely changed the interface. Never wanted to invest so much time into jumping off the learning cliff again. I guess I wanted to remain married rather than newly divorced.
Stellaris was the best thing to happen to fans of spore back in the day. EA can [too extreme to type] itself.
I bought it a year ago on sale, but I've yet to play it bc I keep getting told I need the DLC otherwise it's only half a game and not fun. It looks amazing. I have both Stellaris and CK3 but zero dlc for them so I haven't tried them, they seem pretty daunting just the base game lol. I'm a TW player.
For HOI4 I think another key piece of it is that it is the shortest of the paradox games, one can expect a HOI4 campaign to go from like 5-15 hours depending on what you're going for, where as a single campaign in any of the games likely means over a day a play time if you play till the end
This is true - it's short, but oh so damn intense
depends on your computer, I have to play eu4 whole day for 20 years to pass in the game, its literally unplayable, I can only watch others playing on TH-cam
@@bosniangamesms8957 gotta hit those minimum requirements my dude
@@BigMackWitSauce am poor
@@bosniangamesms8957 yeah, Crusader Kings 3 crashes on me nonstop the larger my empire got. I had to give up.
Paradox games taught me geopolitics/ geography from an early age. Its weird how a "map game" can be so compelling
I am 13 playing ck3 and it’s teaching me more than my history class
I love Stellaris so much for many reasons but the main is reason is how you aren't set to specific empire from real history, you can create your own from the ground up with their own motives, lore, species, origin etc etc.
Me who’s been playing HOI4 since release: “Hoi4 shouldn’t be a 5/5 it’s so easy”
The part of me that forgot naval exists: “come again?”
Exactly hahaha, there’s always another theatre of war!
@@AndysTake naval doesn’t exist if you just don’t acknowledge it and make a *small* donation to their fund by spamming destroyers and hoping the British fleets not there
I have 2000+ hours on HOI4 so my judgment might be off, but I honestly think it's one of the easiest Paradox games, maybe excluding CK3. Sure, there are multiple systems that take time to learn (spies/naval/air/paratroopers), but in all honesty you don't really need to 100% understand them to have a good time in the game.
All a new player has to do is to choose blue/brown/red ideology and join one of the factions, everything else from that point forward is the main gameplay loop, aka research->produce->combat->gain land. You don't need to have the best equipment or best division template to have an impact, hell the basic infantry with rifles only is enough in most cases.
On the contrary, I've recently bought Vicky 3. Having never played Vicky 2 most of the economic/political features are really hard to understand, at least for me. The problem is that not understanding in Vicky 3 equals to debt, which leads to bankruptcy and eventual game over. There are very few things that can cause a game over screen in HOI4, which is something you have to keep in mind with other Paradox games in my opinion.
as someone coming from imperator, eu4 and ck3, hoi4 is so confusing lol
@@Aerozona23 I've played pdx games since EU2. Then I played EU3, Vic1 and Vic2. Then CK2, EU4, Stellaris.
I had always dismissed HOI games. Only focused on war and complex on army management. And for a weird reason I gave it a shot it was hard to figure but it's my favorite pdx game now.
It's crazy I changed so much
Man I just have such a huge crush on Stellaris, the mysteries of space, advancing science to crazy new heights, building megastrucures that capture entire stars, genetically ascend your species, and most importantly genociding xenos on a galactic scale, this game just makes me dream
The game is fantastic and I still cannot believe to this day how beautiful both the game and its soundtrack is
PURGE THE XENO SCUM!
@@AndysTakegot hooked on ck3 rn but sure I’ll be on stellaris here soon once again
Truly it makes me feel as though we could wipe out the xenos 😌😌🥺
Well, some species don't need to be wiped out
I never realised that Paradox franchises were like sequels to each other. Even though I’ve played EU4 and CK3, I thought they took place during roughly the same time period. It’s honestly pretty cool that each game takes place in a different era so regardless of what time period you like, there’s a game for you.
Absolutely
In fact, you can import your saved game into the next game. In other words you can use the same saved game to go all the way through Crusader Kings up to HOI4. Not sure if CK3 imports but I know that CK2 does.
bruh moment
Crusader kings is my favorite . A key marriage alliance, a bad death can make huge changes in power and the game to a degree you won’t see in some other games
They once Killed me and my 3 sons...
My Kingdom never recovered from that
Amusingly, due to internal mechanics, everything that makes the game interesting stays around from the first year of gameplay until the last. being large or small doesn't remove all the challenge.
Once I had everything nicely planned. Then my Heir died, and soon after I died, with no time to prepare the new Heir. My Empire collapsed in civil War. I’ve now taken the Heir and spare tactic to guide two most likely heirs to rule, and only the others are puppets for getting good traits and marriages.
CK2 is my first Paradox game and it completely hooked me in the first time I played it. The fact that you are not playing as a godly being like in Civ or AoE, but a real medieval noble that has its own traits, ambition and character is appealing to me back in 2014
@@Toast_6 Isn't that the beauty of this game? You may fall deep because of your choices or enemy actions or you can rise like a great leader.
My best game was back in CK2, playing an italian Duke (technically of german culture, but the area was Italy. That'sthe early age start for ya lol). Over the course of few generations, I established myself as the most important vassal of the King of Italy, expanding a lot towards the Balkans and kicking germanic ass back to the north a couple of times.
My plan was to play chill and aim to remain part of a kingdom rather than take the big chair for myself, just to see how the game developed playing like this.
But no matter what, the King of Italy dinasty fucking hated my guts. I ended up guiding a faction to kick his ass, establish indipendence but leave it at that.
Then the son of that dude tried to conquer me back. Defeated and jailed. As an old fart, he tried it again.
At that point my young Duke was some kind of genius of subterfuge somehow while being bad at almost everything else, so even with little advantage I ended up playing as the King of Italy and exterminate that family.
Satisfying.
Crusader kings and Stellaris are some of the games that always have fun playing, with Stellaris being the most fun even if you discover the rest of the galaxy a little too quickly and it turns into HOI4 with all the boundaries
Yeah, the exploration part of Stellaris is easily one of the more fun parts, but even on the largest size galaxies you quickly 'wall off' the exploration. I think systems should have multiple claimants that can explore territory before it becomes fully one empire's.
EU4, Stellaris and HOI4 are the ones for me. All 3 are easy to learn...the basics;after you get into micro management,you can get lost. And soundtrecks,amazing,helps to relax and to dive into the game.
No vic2? Is it the economics?
Quick title selection menu:
0:49 - Imperator: Rome (Difficulty: 3/5)
4:12 - Crusader Kings III (Difficulty: 2/5)
7:41 - EU IV (Difficulty: 4/5)
10:35 - Victoria 3 (Difficulty: 5/5!)
13:33 - Hearts of Iron IV (Difficulty: 5/5!)
16:08 - Stellaris (Difficulty: 4/5)
i played them all ecxept HOI, imperator is way more difficult than victoria imo
@@Vebian and hoi4 is way easier than ck3
The battles are so rng based in ck3 than you lose battles you shouldn't
@@grub833 The fuck? Ck3 battles are all about numbers? If you are more than ennemy you win easily
@@mathiascayla1964 it isn't only about battles. I can't rate difficulty of CK3, because I started with CK2, but for me CK2 was the most difficult title from Paradox. War isn't complicated there of course, but it isn't plain at first how to get a Casus Belli for a war? How to preserve your domain and titles after succession? How not to be thrown and how to restore power if you was? Also after EU4 it was so fckn weird that I'm not the only ruler in my realm. And you don't own just "land", but you own titles and their system is kinda confusing after other paradox map painters.
@@mathiascayla1964 I disagree. Battles in CK2 or CK3 are heavily influenced by focusing on MilTech, terrain, and troop compositions further strengthened by choosing the right commanders. Just numbers don’t confirm victory.
I really wanted to get into it paradox games, the learning curve is just a bit much for me, considering the limited amount of time I have to game between work and my marriage. I’m gonna keep periodically giving CK3 and HOI4 a go, but the total war series is what I always end up falling back on.
I appreciate how Andy spoke positively about imperator. That game at its peak was one of the best paradox games I've ever played, but then the community just killed it by complaining about every little aspect.
Indeed, at 2.0 the game had the amazing foundations for future expansions. Sadly, like you said, it was largely abandoned by the community only a few weeks after launch… a tragedy in the history of paradox games
I think its because every little thing IS broken. It has all these mechanics and then says "no". Like, try to become a Dictator. You have to look up guides and exploit mechanics. Or try to get a marriage with another kingdom, compared to say CK. The game does not want to be played. Now disclaimer, I think its still fine and playable...but its a horse that must be broken.
@@Pangora2 marriage is easy
@@LuckyAJC it's markedly more difficult than ck 2 or 3. Let the game tick past the opening generation then try to gather up all the rare bloodlines.
@Ryan all you need is +40 relations with a country and you can royal marry with them, now you have to hope countries don't die or lose their main bloodlines.
I love economics and the industrial era so Victoria 3 is a no brainer for me. Although I do like HOI4 as WW2 is also a time period I’ve always been interested in, although the micromanagement of war and armies that comes along with it can get tedious at times.
Yeah the warfare is excellent, but when it's virtually the entire game it can be tiring haha
@@AndysTake Same when Victoria 3 is based all around economics and politics but the most developed thing is war, but it's still not appreciated nor flexible.
Exactly what I would say. Bravo.
What we need in hoi5 is hoi4+ Victoria 2 economy and population system
I got victoria 2 because I am broke lol
I have something I love from each of the games
EU:Rome was my first Paradox grand strategy, and I enjoyed Imperator. It felt like a spiritual successor.
I love the personal aspect of CK3
Empire building in EU4 is really fun, even if it's kinda map-painty. It's my most played one by far.
I'm really bad at Vic2 and I haven't tried Vic3 but I really like the historical period it takes place in.
What I like about HoI4 is the arms race period before the massive war. I personally love the Old World Blues mod.
Stellaris brings back the age of discovery but in Space. I love media like Star Wars and the Legend of the Galactic Heroes and it puts me into those space operas.
What I really love about Imperator Rome is the Missions. Its very rewarding and it always gives you a goal to work towards.
And all the music of every of these games is just a perfect masterpiece
Fantastic video. Love the way you blended the soundtracks from the different games!
I love this overview! Really puts things in perspective!
Thank you so much! :)
For me CK2 with all the dlc is the perfect game to roleplay a character in , stellaris is the perfect game to roleplay a nation (if that makes sense) and EU4 is a game i enjoy playing casually because of all the flavour decisions and missions a lot of nations have and victoria 2 is my 4th favourite game to play mostly bc i do like the victorian era as a setting for a game.
Is CK2 better than CK3?
@@InspireRise300 Technically speaking, yes, a lot, but with all DLC of course
@@InspireRise300Don't listen to them!
@@rosalind1635 Go play Crusader Kings II before talking.
Even sunset invasion DLC ? 🤣
I have used many, many hours in Hearts of Iron games just renaming the divisions to historical correct names and adding each historical commandeer to the correct units. And I thought it was fun. 🙂
You did not mention the soundtracks which come each game. They are amazing and easily some of the best computer games soundtracks ever made and I often listen to them when out for a run, in the gym or out food shopping. My favourite is Crusader Kings 3 followed by Stellaris and then Imperator Rome which is very underrated game.
Crusader Kings 3 !? Please go listen CK2 if you want to be mind blown.
@@1992zorro
I adore the Crusader Kings 2 soundtrack. My favourite songs on the Crusader Kings 2 soundtrack are Charge of the war Elephants, City of Birka, Legacy of Rome, Locust storm, Campfire, Our kingdom will fall main mix, Viking gods, We're that perfect storm, Go forth out of thy country, The holy land, Saladin besiege Jerusalem and the main theme.
Ah yes, the soundtracks that deliberately try and make me go deaf every time I start a game. Looking at you EU4 and Vic2.
I love listening to whistling noises for 7 hours while I have to constantly manage my heirs then get my eardrums killed when I declare a war
As you know I’m a complete newbie with Paradox so I really appreciated this video! Great work
Thank you so much, mate, I'm glad it was helpful :D
EU4 is THE game for me.
I love the time setting, the depth, the amount of content. Every time I play I discover new things about the game, and new things about world History and Geography.
Stellaris is my second greatest addiction.
And I am now getting into Victoria and HOI. Trying to learn them. If I had the time I'd go for Imperator too, since it seems to combine so many good qualities I like from the other games.
Amazing and detailed video. Excellent for potential new players to decide if they want to be part of the paradox family.
Amazing video and great analysis without overcomplicating things.
CK2 Music is still the best PDX music to this day, that's why this guy used it for a game supposed to be superior.
I recommend every new play start in Imperator.
It's a great game :)
@@AndysTake And there aren't a lot of DLC to buy. Most of the updates were free.
You're a menace
why do you recommend that?
Because it's good
I have about 8 paradox games. They are pretty immersive. So I think the harder choice is what to play first.
Indeed, it's just as hard a question! Which would you recommend?
Maybe try a megacampaign?
I have played CK2 the most, because I keep wanting to do a megacampaign. :D I think I have once transferred a file over to EU4. :D
I played a ton of Imperator when it came out for the same reason, but the break in time period between Imperator and the other games makes it not as attractive for that option. Although Imperator is still almost tied with Eu4 for second on my hours played, even though I haven't played it in a while.
In contrast, I have barely touched HOI4. I like aspects of it, but it's laser focus on war kinda puts me off.
@@AndysTake I love hearts of iron 4 the most but crusader kings three has some great elements. Where else can your spy master report he has discovered his plot to kill you?
All of them take many many hours to learn, they are best learned with a teacher so if you have a friend who plays one I would recommend playing with them regardless of interest. Or join a discord for the one you are most interested in and ask for help their. This is the quickest route to proficiency, but you can just try to ram your head against it with trial and error and TH-cam but the road will be hard and frustrating. You do however get that joy of discovering the way a deep and hidden mechanic works when you play by yourself, which is ultra satisfying.
Great summary! Thank you!
I love the variety in every Paradox Game but, when you risk on changing a formula to prevent it from becoming repetitive, there's always the possibility of doing wrong. For example, I love CK3 (is my favourite strategy game ever, in general) as well as HOI4, Vicky 2, Imperator:Rome, Stellaris, etc., but I could never get into EU4. They're so different that, sometimes, it's hard to believe they've been made by the same company.
Now, I'm strugling to understand Vicky 3 but, fortunately, I'm having a good time while learning.
Good video Andy, as always :D
I love EU4
Thank you so much, Sergi! I love them all haha, and you're right it's hard to understand how they're made by the same company sometimes, but that's what makes them so great and special, and makes the company itself so dynamic!
This is very true. EU4 took me a while to get into, and if not for the interesting time period, I probably never would have. For me, HOI4 is the one I just can't get invested in, not yet anyway, primarily because it focuses on the things I enjoy least about Paradox games: combat and tactics. The idea of simplified war in V3 is very appealing to me (as is the time period), so I'm very interested to try that one out sometime soon.
EU4 is the only one left of the "previous generation" of PDX games. It should be compared to CK2, Vic2 and HoI3, not their modern sequels. The success of EU4 and CK2 was also kind of what catapulted PDX to the status they have today, with EU4 still regularly having higher numbers than everything but HoI4, and CK2 was still actively played all the way up to the release of CK3 a couple of years back.
@@Melodeath00 I would agree that EU4 is not connected to their modern sequels, but the fact that it's still being updated makes it a bit more complicated - plus the leap in visuals makes it markedly more "modern" than CK2 as well imo.
I LOVE the idea of these games and I want to get into them, they're just so complex it's overwhelming.
HOI4 in its most basic form is "if you are at war,move soldiers from areas with green bubbles to areas with red bubbles. If green bubble have high numbers,move your soldiers into attack into that area." Ofcourse as in every grand strategy it takes a lot of time to be atleast decent at it,more if you want to be really good,but for atleast being able to atleast survive right from the start it is the easiest game.
Same I've been dying to buy Victoria 3 but it seems like it will forever to learn it lol
Start with CK, as a guy who took several months to learn HOI4, Crusader Kings is MUCH easier to learn (a single week would probably do it), it's pretty straightforward and actually very fun.
EU4 might be the hardest, possibly tied with HOI.
Great vid, thank you!
Glad you liked it! :)
@@AndysTake Super helpful! I have about 350 hours in Ck3, and I was looking for another grand strat or 4x to play.
One of the options I was looking at were Amplitude 4x games, but funny enough, seemz I would enjoy Imperator!
Nice to see some love for imperator
ALL OF THEM, and not just the good ones, but victoria and imperator too!
It's such a shame that Imperator got dropped from being updated. I quite like the game now days, certainly more vs Crusader Kings 3.
I really enjoyed this overview of all the different games. Thanks for sharing.
I've played EUIV on and off for years. I'm yet to fully understand it's mechanics and i've only ever played as Castille, which is meant to be one of the easier nations for beginners. I enjoy the political and military aspects, but I know I need to understand trade and development a lot more as I always seem to be short of income (either that or I just want to expand too quickly). However, it's always an enjoyable experience and I learn something new every time.
I've been interested in trying HOI as I enjoy learning about that time period. The idea of the build up in peace time towards all out war sounds tense but thrilling. I technically own Stellaris as I love anything sci-fi/set in space, but i've never really given it a look beyond the tutorial yet. It sounds like a lot of fun.
I can't wrap my head around these games as much as I try.
Each of these games is good, each has a unique aspect that is different from the rest. I've played them all and can't say which is the best. It depends on the individual choice of each player.
I just don't understand why Paradox stopped work on the Imperator Rome. It was a good game, and after Update 2.0.3 it has become very good. It is a pity for the wasted potential, I hope they will come back to it.
I have a saying that Paradox doesn't make bad games, it just makes games that aren't good yet. Everything with Paradox takes time, be it playing their games or waiting for the games to improve from release through patches and billions of DLCs. I sincerely don't mind waiting and paying extra for the experience of Paradox games, because I always found it more than worthwhile.
nah march of the eagles sucks
Every game of Stellaris always feels new especially while the game gets constant updates and surprises
Thank you for this; videos of this quality for 4X games are as rare as 4X games themselves.
imperator with the invictus mod is in such a good spot right now, it's my favorite pdx game (EU4 being a close second)
Is the invictus mod a overhaul or does it improves vanilla?
I am planning on trying Invictus or the Bronze Age mod
@@1992zorro invictus is not an overhaul mod, it is a mod that improves the flavor and balance of vanilla. You can essentially think of it as a continuation of development. the bronze age mod is an overhaul mod, that one is very fun as well.
@@Aerozona23 Thank you a lot for your response. Do You know if the Bronze Age mod is still being worked on? Would be very happy to see people still putting effort into imperator.
I've played every game on this list, but I still watched, great video and awesome descriptions for each one.
One thing I would add about Stellaris is that it really plays out a lot of stories, finding anomalies and discovering stuff is a big part of the gameplay. If you skip past all the reading you will miss a big part of the game's purpose, and that is to use your sci-fi imagination.
I like Victoria III so far but I agree, it does need a lot of patching and expansions. I think the economic system is cool but it seems like it is the only thing that is "fleshed out" right now which is making the game a little shallow to play unless you are roleplaying.
There is no game that ever took me so long to get into than EU IV and for a year it just sat there on my computer"but it is also the game I have played the most and the one I love. Like wine it takes time to appreciate it's subtleties but once hooked you become a WINO!
I'll never forget my first time turning alines into food in stellaris
Absolutely love EU4! I have tried HOI4, but it was really difficult for me to understand and get the mechanics down. Paradox makes such beautiful and in depth games, but they are rather difficult to grasp without watching a lot of TH-cam videos😂
it’s the opposite for me i love hoi4 and i’m trying to get into eu4 but it’s hard to understand
It really is such a shame that Paradox's tutorial game is so atrocious. I know there are potential fans who are turned off by this... my wife is one of them. I do enjoy turning to TH-cam to help me refine my strategies, but it's practically a requirement in order to learn some of their games, and that should never happen.
@@voidgaming1195 Check out Red Hawk and Ludi videos, then you'll learn almost all of the mechanics in about 20 hours of watching those and playing. The game is 100% worth it.
Same, Eu4 is great asf and i learned to play without tutorial, bur hoi4 warfare is just too hard for me
@@zed3443 Hoi4 warfare explained:
Combat width is how much of your troop can fight somewhere.
Make division templates that add up to 20 or 40 and then you can have 4 times 20 width or 2 times 40 width fighting somewhere.
You can stack 2 or 4 divisions on a tile to fight and that's it.
Now to entrenchment:
Get support company research and get the support company giving entrenchment, that's it, forgor what it was but now you can sit on a tile and get gud defense bonuses.
That's basically it, also copy meta templates and focus a lot on oil and airforce, airforce and close air support is how you win wars.
I started with Paradox with CK2, but soon transitioned to EUIV. I started learning how to play via Arumba, then transitioned to others when he had his falling out with Paradox. Eleven thousand hours in and I'm still barely average at the game. I couldn't pull off a world conquest if you put a gun to my head.
One period Paradox has never tackled - which would be very interesting : the dark ages between the fall of Rome and the Middle-Ages. It could be character driven like CKIII, with elements of legends & magic - with a dash of the survival game...
Try the Fallen Eagle mod for CK3
@@sorayacatfriend CK2's The Winter King is better for that eras. That is the only Crusader Kings mod that has a dynamic title system and it's necessary for that period.
this sounds better to a mod
CK3 is deffinatly mt favourite. It's because it's not only set in one of my favourite periods of history. but how character focused it is. Also it's my first, which probably helps in influencing it as being my favourite
Play them.. all. But especially Hoi4, so you can have Running in the 90s while you're Germany and Blitz through everyone all at once.
For me Ck3 and Stellaris are the best, the roleplay in these game is so fun.
Is it?
@@InspireRise300 yes
cool content, thx :)
Great guide! EU4 will always be my favourite but Stellaris is a close second for me. On the fence about getting Victoria 3, as I’m sure it feels different with the economic focus rather than conquest, but the beautiful map is enticing me.
Stellaris is such a gem, the music literally makes me cry, and I just find the whole deep space vibe to be so enchanting and enthralling. I really need to play the latest version soon, as it's been waaay too long since I truly played a long campaign there. Now EU4 has taken my sleep away on too many nights lol. Also I highly recommend Vicky 3, a great game, although I would perhaps wait just a month (Christmas sale?) for some of the worst bugs to be patched :)
Since I only have a console. I can only play CK3 or Stellaris, but I tell you they are 2 of my favorite games. No matter what games get released I always have a playthrough of these masterpieces on the go. I love space and history, especially the Viking age. That's why these games are right for me.
For those who want to start playing these type of games I can’t recommend enough just diving in ck3 is a great place to start due to not being as complex as others and then afterwards try a harder one but play as will you and when you feel you can’t grasp a aspect of the game watch a tutorial
History is truly beautiful
Imperator Rome is underrated!
It is in a great state.
As someone that plays quite a bit of Vic3, HOI4, CK2, EU4, and did an "After Action Report" on Stellaris (yet haven't logged nearly as much time in any one as the specialists), I have to say the difference in difficulty is far more extreme between choices of nations than choice of game. There is an exception with Vic3, however, as it is newer and a lot of elements still need refining and clarity, it is generally harder overall.
However, starting as Mercia in CK2 is far easier than starting as even Italy in HOI4. Starting as US in HOI4 is easier than pretty much any faction in any other game. Stellaris has perhaps the most consistency, with any faction being easier than some, harder than others in any other game (except perhaps Vic3 atm, or HOI4 on launch).
I love ck3 mechanics and the way that war works, it’s probably the reason I just can’t do Victoria despite preferring the time period in Victoria sooooo much more
I was happy enough to have total war Rome II and Atilla for that time period, but this small review made me wnat to buy imperator Rome as well.
also want to give a try eventually on hearts of Iron, when I get the money to grab it, lol.
the other games I already love, then you made me want to play them all at once =P
Good stuff
Out of all paradox games victoria 2 was my first one just over a year ago. Hoi4 my second, after that i think EU4 and then Stellaris and CK3. But I learned some games way faster than others. For Example, I like the Victorian age, and even though vic2 is a complicated game, I fully "mastered" it first. I'm now majorily advancing in EU4, and since a few days I really got into Stelaris and THEN Hoi4. Personally Hoi4 and Ck3 are the most difficult ones to get motivated for to me.
never wanted to dive that deep into "historical" paradox game, but sci-fi is my jam. and after playing all sorts of "galactic civilizations", "master of orion" etc and so on - imho stellaris is the best one, took some time to learn it, then learn it again then again as some patches completely changed game mechanics. all worth. wont find that ammount of stuf to build to do and to discover in any other similar game.
I say hoi4 and crusader kings 3 were truly special to me they were the first first real stradegy games that I played.
After replaying AOE2 as an adult I’ve got the big for strategy games again and been searching for something to sink my teeth into. I’d never heard of any of these games so thank you 🙏🏻 but you have given me the headache of deciding which one to choose first 😬
which one did you choose?
@@spatrk6634 I went for CK3. Been glued to it for 3 weeks now!
I would love for Paradox to make a Cold War game! Obviously some mechanics would carry over from HOI4, but a post-war game with tons more focus on espionage, chances at revolution (perhaps several different kinds), and a setting where war breaking out might itself be the game over screen…all seems right up Paradox’s alley. I know there are some games that kinda do that, but Paradox’s version would probably be unmatched. Especially if you wanted to play as someone other than the USA or USSR.
always hoping for something like that too, you should check out espiocracy, is not out yet but it looks promising
I would love th e civil wars started by the Cold War. So that would be amazing.
Total war and paradox fans both can agree that stellaris is awesome. Also, me as a total war player see some appeal in hearts of Iron because its not a time period that total war covers, I do also have an interest in Victoria, and always tried to get into eu4 but just never could. The dlcs were too much of a purchase commitment to a game I wasn't quite that interested in
After years of trying but failing to get into EU or CK series I finally fell in love with HoI4. Then I easily got into Stellaris, since that's more of a 4x type of game which I'm used to. I'm thinking of picking up Imperator or Vic 3 this week on sale, but it sounds like they are more like EU and CK, so I'm not sure if I'll like them.
Ive played Stellaris, vic 2 and 3 and CK3... love them all. strangely I have the least hours on Stellaris but I think its my fave
CK series for life!
CK3 has been my favourite for quite awhile. I love the focus on the individual family. Dying or having your empire broken can be a fun part of the game that doesn't stop you from progressing towards your ultimate goal. Using diplomacy, intrigue and war to place your family members on as many thrones as possible.
Plus how badly you can break history. In my last play through I became an enormous catholic power and then reformed my religion to be matriarchal and made all of the generally shunned and criminal acts legal including deviance and witchcraft. Declared myself the pope of this new religion. Mended the schism and destroyed the papacy. Causing this new religion to become the standard christian religion meaning that most of the christian world would convert to it. Then started Crusading and holy warring my way through the rest of the world to spread my witch empire.
Bro I played all and all are masterpieces
I love expmoration so, stellaris is really cool but also eu4's colonization mechanic is really cool
I started with Stellaris and loved it. I moved on to playing Crusader Kings 3 and loved it even more. Unfortunately, the game became unstable on Xbox fairly quickly, as my empire grew.
I couldn't figure out how to play ck3 )'
Nice list and brakedowns. :)
Ya know, it occours to me that Paradox has made a game that cover EVERY period of recorded history, and beyond if you include Stelarris. The "paradox" Verse? Man that sounds weird now that i type it out loud.
You’re right - except for the Cold War and modern day period, right?
@@AndysTake HMMMMM, True. Maybe in the future that will come. Although hearts of iron tech tree ENDS at the start of the Cold War.
@@jaywerner8415 haha indeed - I’d honestly love a paradox Cold War/modern day game. There’s so much more complex diplomacy and country management possibilities there I feel
@@AndysTake they were making one a while back but they cancelled it much sad 😢
This is nostalgic goodness.
If I get time, I might try Stellaris.
I did 21 years of EU1-4 since launch but never got into CK, Victoria or HoI.
EU3 w/Divine Wind was the most fun by far. EU4 was a “better” game only with mods. Ultimately, though, you “do everything” and there’s nothing less to strive for.
Never thought these games would be less difficult than hoi4 and may be the reason I get some in the future, thank you for the guide!
Till now I have played, in order, HOI 4, Stellaris, Crusader Kings 3 and I fall in love with Crusader Kings 3 after I had thought that HOI 4 is the best ever, will definitely try Victoria afterwards for the sake of that Economical aspect.
I have a title for each series, but currently, I kept CK2 and Vic2 instead of "upgrading". Regarding Hearts of Iron I started with IV and never looked back. I could write many stories, but here is my current overview, in case you like to know. I would love to write my feelings about each title, but that would be too long and honestly, I played a few titles too little to have a well-founded opinion in the first place. My favorite is Stellaris, followed by Hearts of Iron 4, and Crusader Kings (2). I plan to get CK3 in the future.
For a beginner, I would recommend
a) Imperator Rome for a historical experience as it is a pretty balanced blend of multiple aspects of other Paradox titles while being less overwhelming with the level of detail.
b) The second recommendation is Stellaris, especially for a person loving SciFi and games with a 4X formula well blended into grand strategy.
c) It is possible to play CK2 (vanilla) now for free to get a feel of this title. This could also be an interesting starting point If managing a dynasty fascinates you more than managing a nation. But CK2 is not only more complex than Imperator Rome as I see it, but also more strongly focused on this aspect of gameplay, while Imperator Rome offers a wider range of gameplay options.
d) Hearts of Iron 4 is a great historical sandbox strategy sim of the war, but while big in strategy and military tactics it is very consequently designed as a sim of war logistics and troop organization and movements.
e) IMHO not for beginners is EU4. It is awesome, but with such a mind-boggling plethora of parameters to influence your history, that I would recommend not to start with this title as first grand strategy due to the steep learning curve.
i had an easier time learning eu4 than hoi4
Lol when I was considering starting to play CK2 before CK3 was even released, I read somewhere that EU4 is the easiest Paradox game for beginners and it's better to start from that before moving on to CK2. So I tried EU4 first and I think it's the best game I've ever played and I still haven't started CK2
Best choice, firstclaw. I also stay in CK2 and Victoria 2. They are insanely re-playable. In CK2, the fact that you may play as classical feudal dynasty, a merchant republic, a nomadic faction hoarding around the World, a pagan nation which may eventually reform its religion (to only name a few of the infinite options) makes every campaign unique and unforgettable.
@@iuliannastasa6592 sounds exactly like EU4 😉
@@Pseudoplasmagore EU4 is also very good, but lacks the personal touch, does not have the same succession challenges and some other flavours. But, yes, you are right, the way I put it first, I could have been talking about EU4, too. :)
I see you left the best till last
Sterllaris was the eaiest to learn for me, and i don't know why. I learnt it years ago and it just doesn't seem complicated to me at all, meanwhile, i really want to get into ck3 but i get overwhelmed so quickly by the amount of stuff you can do.
I have hearts of iron 4 & crusader kings 2. Big total war player but wanted a different strategy aspect with these paradox titles. I struggle big time on game mechanics and often find myself confused and not knowing what to even do while playing.. often resulting in me giving up. I know it’s probably simple to play but for me personally it’s a complete mind boggle… haha great games tho!
Great, now I want to play them all -.-
I'd like to see a video comparing space exploration games like Srellaris, Master of Orion and Alpha Centauri.
I play the games of which time period I'm most interested in so for me that's EU4 (colonial period) and Victoria 3, with Stellaris thrown in since I like space and sci-fi ^^.
My shot is Stellaris. It doesn't drown you in a lot of stats and while there is complexity, it's still easier to wrap head around the situation. Especially if you use preconstructed civilizations, small galaxies and two-three adversaries (no Fallens, no crisis.) There is also sort of tutorial to explain what is what, which I find good... Or a new player might just turn it off and do trial and error with or without saving, as Stellaris is also a hidden roguelike game when you think about it.
I approach it like a roguelike, with Iron Mode, since most games don't take that long on smaller and medium maps (unless you know it better and rip yourself with Admiral difficulties, maxed out AI empires and so on).
When player gets accustomed with how Stellaris works, creating a new empire menu is like realizing your already fat gift box has a second bottom.
I love Imperator, Crusader Kings and EU4 but man, HoI4 is by far the most gripping and engaging. As soon as war kicks off you'll be on the edge of your seat for days trying to micromanage your divisions' compositions, supplies and maneuvers while mulling over the most important new technology to research next and trying to decide between assigning your newly built military factories to small arms, trucks, medium bombers or light flamethrower tanks. And the focus trees allow for some of the most in-depth storytelling of any Paradox title, especially with incredible overhaul mods like Kaiserreich or The New Order.
I started with Ck2. The learning curve was hard as f. Easily 6/5 difficulty. Couldn't understand half the shits. Had to watch hours of tutorials. Took me about 5 months to learn it all. But it was worth it when I finally restored the Roman Empire in a playthrough. Felt like the real Augustus.
Hearts of Iron is the only title that I personally don't like, yet I often think about it because of that very interesting Fallout conversion (Old World Blues).
Europa universalis and Hart of Iron were easy to learn, although the details took a long time. But in Stelaris I understood nothing and never got outside my own solar system. Crusader kings was almost as incomprehensible and even there I quickly gave up as I couldn't understand how to do something.
love how they make little jumps in time from game to game, then you just have stellaris lmao
Stellaris is awesome! Love making my own empire, growing to a powerhouse.
And the soundtrack is something totally different!
Controversial opinion maybe, but my favourite is Victoria 3. Now while I have more hours in hoi4 and stellaris, that’s just cause I’ve had it loger. I love the time frame of Vic 3, building up the economy, and the replay ability. Second place is prob stellaris though, it’s a close race
I began in Vic II, forged under fire. Made getting to know more forgiving titles like CK and Stellaris very pleasing.
I tried my hand at EU, but I wasn’t very touched. I’ll give it a try again, after I deal with HOI4. Paradox always sells the same games, but it still makes them compelling somehow. Hate being a Paradox fan
I like imperator a lot !
If EU5 is in development... I want it to have Imperators UI and Map look
imagine one of these games with total war battles. CA and paradox should talk!