Hornby Railways R.345 Side Tipping Wagon with Pipe Load
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- A look at the Hornby Railways R.345 Side Tipping Wagon with Pipe Load from 1974 plus a look at the Original Tr-ang Railway's Version from the early 1960s. With help demonstrating from The R.765 Lord Westwood (1973-75?) and R.52RS LMS Jinty (1971-74). All dates are approximate Music Source / Royalty-free Apple loops/Looperman.com
Link to earlier video with R.765 Lord Westwood:
• Hornby Railways R.765 ...
Link to earlier video with R.52RS LMS Jinty:
• Hornby Railways R.052 ...
looks like you had a lot of fun filming this one... enjoyed that Oscar thanks...👍🏻Neil
Certainly did!
thanks again.
Oscar
Hello Oscar, and thank you for the presentation of these 2 generations of the tilting wagon. (The frame resembles that of the sand transport wagons used by the DB). We did not have this kind of playful article at Jouef ...
I really like seeing the original packaging from the sixties, there is a sweet scent of nostalgia seeing these images ....
Have a great week and take good care of yourself.
Sincerely, from France.
Philippe
Hi, thanks again glad you enjoyed seeing these two versions of the set. They are. great fun items from the past.
Take care.
Oscar
I worked in Crescent Road freight yard at Luton (when I was eighteen back in the seventies) and I can assure you that's not the normal way to unload a pipe wagon, unless it's been in an accident! 😂
Hi, I'm glad to hear it! but this makes for great fun with the pipes bouncing across the layout.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Brilliant video Oscar . For a while I was transported back to 1974 . I knew that catalogue backwards! The Lord Westwood , bright red and cream coaches and choc cream sitting in the sidings , the 74 version of Blue Pullman sitting in the station , these lovely wagons . Superb stuff . I knew about the pipe wagon from the catalogue but don’t think ever saw one in real life . I even loved the Hornby Railways packaging of the time seeing the range all laid out at John Menzies in Buchanan Street Glasgow . Happy days. I think you’re having too much fun with that !
Good morning Russell glad you enjoyed seeing the railway with all those items on it. The side tipping sets are lovely items with great play value and imagery on the boxes. I wish I could have seen the display at John Menzies, sounds like a proper Aladdin's cave...
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
The Log Tipper isn't something we see often at all. Seeing it all in action like your lay-out, clean and as per the instructions, with none of the scenery; a great feature on other layouts albeit, but yours is always a joy to see. Great stuff, sir. Thanks for the video. Keep Well there. Cheers!
Good morning thanks for watching these are great looking item and a lot of fun to play with. Thanks again for watching glad you are enjoying the videos.
Take care.
Oscar
Good video. I didn't realise they produced this tipper.
Thanks John glad you enjoyed that.
Take care.
Oscar
Many thanks Oscar. What great play value in the tipping wagons. A great deal of thought must have gone into the actuator design. It all works so well with not a bit of electronic do-dahs in sight!
Good morning Mike glad you enjoyed that its lovely piece of design right down to the box.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Thankyou Oscar for posting all of these very informative videos that you post for us all to enjoy about all the different trains that triang/hornby produced ,, its quite interesting to see they produced so much pre planned obsolescence trains that are still goin today.
I just recent aquired a car carrier with 4 cars on it and there s the silver wheels on it so it must be late 60's.
Again thankyou for your awesome video's and Cheers from John in Australia.
Good morning John, terrific to hear you're enjoying the videos, it's amazing how well these items have lasted as you say they come from an era before obsolescences was built in. Terrific play value the car transporters a great item to have.
Thanks for watching.
Take care.
Oscar
Thanks Oscar, I always love seeing Triang (and Hornby) operating accessories in action
Good morning Paul they are great fun ideas these accessories. And as others have mentioned they bring people to the hobby which can only be a good thing.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
That was a lot of fun to watch. I think the design for the tipping wagon was the inspiration for the 45 ton Steel carrier (R246) that was released in 1981. Funnily enough I bought the steel carrier set this week and the seller had included 3 plastic pipes to sit on it and I was wondering why, maybe a small homage to your set. Thanks, as always, for making Sunday mornings fun and we’re all already looking forward to next weeks episode. 😀
Thanks, Alan glad you enjoyed seeing these sets in action, your new wagon sounds great with its pipe load.
Take care.
Oscar
Just imagine about 20 of these going off in sequence. That would be so cool.
Hi, Dylan that would be great.
Take care.
Oscar
Oscar what great play value with that wagon the two you have boxed are lovely to have in your colletion, thanks for a look at them i enjoyed it very much.
Regards Paul osman
Hi glad you enjoyed seeing these two sets Paul they are great fun items with loverly packaging of the time. Defiantly brings on a smile.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar yet again a good video thank you oscar yours James
Hi Jamie glad you enjoyed it.
Stay safe.
Oscar
Yes! I have the ‘74 catalog and it’s great your fulfilling my childhood desire for theses great models! Thank you!
I always imagined having the pipes at the end of a siding so it was super fun to see it acting like the mail delivery system(ie at speed) which I’m crossing my fingers for to come soon!
Great to also see the triang! So satisfying to hear the logs drop and a much different play it seems to the pipe wagon. I love the fact you can just quickly spill your load with the Hornby set up! Super fun! Thank you Oscar. 😁👍👊😎
Good morning, thanks again for watching great to hear you enjoyed seeing the two different versions of the set and being used in different ways.
I keep looking at the layout trying to work out the best place for the line side parts of the TPO set. But still not sure where yet?
Take care.
Oscar
Morning Oscar, Thankyou again for a fantastic video. I remember seeing this as a child and the yellow cargo crane in my first set. Bring back very good memories the fun one had. Great to see the comparison between the two models, where do you find all these fantastic vintage boxed items. So much storage under the layout, so many treasures of years gone by. Thankyou again for an enjoyable video. 😎👍👍
Good morning Marc terrific to hear you enjoyed seeing these items from the past, the older set came from Dave Angell daveangell.co.uk about four years ago and the later set came from the TCS autumn show around two years ago at Leicester traincollectors.co.uk thanks again for watching take care.
Oscar
Very nice. I wish Hornby would bring back these little extras as they add entertainment to the layout. Martin. (Thailand)
Good morning Martin a number of others have said the same thing they are definitely great fun.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar. You must have the biggest collection of Hornby Triang model trains lol 😂 When you think when these came out the the extra excitement it gave to young children never mind us adults now hehe 🤣 Love watching your layout grow especially with the fantastic running commentary. Cheers Stevie.
Good morning Stevie, it's an amazing range of products they produced over the years. They must have made many very happy over the years. I find the development and packaging of the range fascinating.
Thanks again for watching take care.
Oscar
Loved this video Oscar. The Lord Westwood is a fine looking loco.
Thanks, Murray glad you enjoyed it.
Take care.
Oscar
I'm imagining a rake of these wagons tipping the pipes/logs out one after another - fantastic carnage and great fun!
These do look like they were intended for the Transcontinental range, looking at the printed numbering and lack of buffers.
Thank you for this morning's viewing :-)
Great image, I can just hear the teriffic sound!
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar,
Great video and these extras from the 60s and 70s add a whole new dimension to the layout. It’s good to see these things surviving more or less intact, so far down the line (excuse the pun) and if pushed I would go for the early weighty version. As always good entertainment and play value.
Take care, Gordon
Hi, Gordon, these are loverly items with terrific play value I think the earlier version with the extra weight, pretty box lid and catcher is the one to go for. Defiantly been a bit of cost-cutting with the later version making for smaller packaging and easier to include in that great set of the time with the bright Lord Westwood.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Really interesting and great fun, thanks Oscar. I too had never seen one operating so this was a treat. My Lord Westwood behaves itself but my Albert Hall is like your Westwood - I use a Gaugemaster Model D and the motor can sometimes be a bit uncontrollable. The top speed is phenomenal ! Thanks again.
Good morning Peter, glad you enjoyed the video my Lord Westwood can be a bit of a rocket ship with very little encouragement and is very strong. Thanks for the information and for taking the time to watch.
Take care.
Oscar
I've still got one of these in a box of my railway odds and ends somewhere, Oscar. The original had metal bogies and the collection bin was in dark brown plastic. The colour, for the top plastic section of the wagon, was in a much duller orange than yours.
Stay Safe as ever.
Good morning Peter thanks for the information, great to hear you have one of the earlier versions.
Take care.
Oscar
Great Oscar. The artwork on the older set is fantastic. However like many toys of that era, the box often held more promises than the contents !
Hi you absolutely right, the tops of the early trains set boxes may have also been a little misleading perhaps! but great imagery.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Great video, very interesting group of models today
Thanks, Joshua glad you enjoyed seeing these items in action.
Take care.
Oscar
Good evening Oscar, that is a great item. I think I prefer the earlier version with the logs and recepticle for catching the unloaded logs. I agree with other comments that you seemed to really have a good time with these wagons. It is very nice to see all the excellent boxes you have for most of your items. All the best to you
Good morning Mr Snooze, I think your right the earlier set looks better with its logs and catcher, there must have been an element of cost-cutting in the later set I think. It's hard not to have fun with items like this but you have to wonder how long they would realistically last at playtime!
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Great fun, and thank you for showing us how they work. Maybe I am biased but I do prefer the Tri-ang version if only for the beautiful box alone. The Hornby one is still great but the hopper is a big bonus in the earlier one. The dedicated modeller could make their own hopper for the pipes I'm sure. Someone with a shunting layout could have hours of fun, transferring the pipes/logs to a semi-trailer, lorry, or a saw mill, much play value. 👍😊
Good morning Pauline glad you enjoyed seeing these items in action. Defiantly hours of fun to be had, a sawmill would look great. As you say the picture on the box is a great image making for a lovely piece of packaging.
Take care.
Oscar
Delightful insight regarding this wagon and the in-depth history on both it’s packaging and catalogue appearance. As always your videos bring back such nostalgic memories especially when running through those wonderful Rovex brochures . Thank you Oscar.
Glad you enjoyed it Paul.
Take care.
Oscar
Thanks Oscar 👍
Hello Oscar - @ 7:19 Your 'Lord Westwood' - that a Lovely Loco you've got there - I'm liking the Red Livery that it has got!!! 🙂 @12:20 - that was amazing - had to look at that a few times - was expecting the pipes (or should that be logs???😉🙂) to be caught by or land by something!!! @14:21 Very well explained - thank you 🙂 - I see now - in the later set - the catcher is missing 🙁 - just have to be careful there is no passing train on the other track when it is in use!!! A very good demonstration - thank you Oscar 🙂🚂🚂🚂
Good morning glad you enjoyed the demonstration I think there must have been a bit of cost-cutting with the set when it was reintroduced. Glad you enjoyed seeing Lord Westwood in action again in its great bright livery.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar I went down to my local heritage railway and I had a ride on a miniature steam locomotive and I thoroughly enjoyed unfortunately I stood on the platform watching the trains coming into the station and then leaving the station and the miniature steam locomotive is called JEAN and she only went to the end of the line and back to the beginning despite the short trip it was therapeutic and JEAN was pulling and pushing Freightliner hoppers which act as passenger coaches and I specifically went to the Severn Valley Railway to get pictures of 2999 Lady of Legend but unfortunately she had Mechanical problems so another locomotive took her place pulling coaches but I might be going back to the Severn Valley Railway at the beginning of May so I might get pictures of her and she may well return to the Severn Valley Railway for another steam Gala
Good morning Lewis sounds like great fun, I hope you get some great pictures.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
@@oscarpaisley hi Oscar I did indeed get some great photos and the ride was amazing and therapeutic and I thoroughly enjoyed the ride
@@oscarpaisley hi Oscar my Hornby pannier tank was a bit Poorly as she kept shorting out my controller and sparking and I got electrocuted from tryin nudge her forward but now she's working perfectly now after cleaning of the Oil and grime of the motor and a bit of fluff in the Armature but now it has been removed she working well
A very nice looking wagon would have been great fun to have back when it was released I think hornby should start doing items like this again because it is these functions that would keep kids engaged wish this hobby
Absolutely bang on. My grandchildren have a train set and it's items like that that they always want to play with.
I think your right there David these item are intriguing to watch/operate and fuel enquiring minds.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
I have to wonder if there is anything in the Tri-ang/Tri-ang-Hornby range that you do not have Oscar. A long train of these could be un-loaded from the elevated section down a homemade incline and into a homemade hopper. What fun that would be. A great video again. Thank you. David.
Was thinking almost exactly that, but instead of a receiving bin the log's/pipe's fall into the other wagon, the wagons switch place's and so on so forth, probably would only work with two log's/pipe's.
Oscar has an amazing collection. There are a few Australian market items that he does not have. One of the rarest is the Sydney Suburban EMU with overhead pantographs. From the seventies the full size ones were dispariginly call red rattlers by the local press. Made Circa 1961-67 but rare and very expensive. Sold and made in Australia only. R,450 I think. Rare early Hornby era were the VR S class and CR GM class Coco made for Australia. A few NZ colour variations are very rare as is a Canada only R159 army set loco from 1959. Many of the Australian ones in this vid :
th-cam.com/video/zJe5Gd_QCJ4/w-d-xo.html
Good morning David, a great idea that really would be quite a sight to see.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Super fun set and nice to see the two types side by side. I'm amazed that you find all these items in such great condition the boxes with the hand drawn artwork look really nice. I did like your comment "Rusty staples must have been a later addition"🙂. Thanks for another interesting nostalgia trip.
Thanks Rob great to hear you enjoyed the video.
Take care
Oscar
Hi Oscar, I always wanted to see how those wagons worked. Great that you demonstrated both the old and new versions. Beautiful packaging. You can probably deal with the recent spam problem with a quick visit to your youtube Settings > Community > Defaults.
Good afternoon Guy glad you enjoyed that they two great little sets and thanks for the information.
Take care
Oscar
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Dbać.
Oscar
Hi Oscar, great video, quite a dramatic unloading of pipes, I do have one but haven't installed it yet, seeing that I am not sure if I will, stay safe and keep well
Good morning Jed glad you enjoyed the video. Great to hear you have a set. The older one does take up quite a large among of space on the layout with its unloading catcher.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
This is a very good toy by Triang. I cannot imagine it existed in real life. The forces and potential for accidents - compared with using a crane - would likely have been too great. ( Obviously it wouldn't have done any of this whilst moving! ).
Hi, I think your right Ian, but it makes for terrific fun as a toy more than a touch of artistic licence in play hear I think.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Thanks Oscar for a nice video came out along time ago i dont remember it old age.just ordered a class 37 in dark green from Dave its in abox and got paperwork with it i think its 1988 well take care see you next week Mel nz
Good morning Mel, great to hear you enjoyed the video. The 37 you've ordered sounds great hope it's with you shortly.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
Nice bit of History - Much prefer keeping these alive, than buying into dcc Fakery! 🚂👍🏻
Thanks for watching glad you enjoyed seeing these older items in action.
Stay safe.
Oscar
Look I see a NEM pocket connection there !!!!! Regards Alan
Thanks again Alan, take care.
Oscar
Another accessory borrowed from Lionel (except the Lionel O gauge version was electrically operated via a special rail)
Hi, I think your right there is quite a bit of influence from Lionel with Tri-ang operating/action accessories.
Thanks for watching.
Oscar
The team work of Triang and Lionel helped by Lionel wanting access to selling rebranded Scalextric in the early boom years of slot cars.
Lima made a pipe wagon
Tyco also made them for the U.S. market.
Seems like every train manufacturer made one of these, in every scale besides N,TT or Z, Marx, Lionel, Tyco, Aurora, Hornby/Ti-ang, Lima,AHM/Model power etc..
Hi Raymond, thanks for the information.
Stay safe.
Oscar
I have a 1960s box, some of the contents are missing. The packaging of that era for accessories hasn't been matched since.
Good morning thanks for watching it really is terrific packaging from that period, great to hear you have an example.
Take care.
Oscar
Hi Oscar, Be careful of the "pegs" on the side of the wagon that hold the load in place.. I have a couple of these wagons and those pegs are very fragile and easily broken off?
I think that the idea for this wagon came from Lionel in America? (Triang and Lionel had a few similar accessories)? In America logs were rolled (tipped) from wagons into a receiving pond, to be floated to a chain driven ramp that would draw the logs from the water into the sawmill.. Floating the logs saved on machinery to move them and washed the forest mud off before entering the mill. You may have seen pictures of Canadian loggers balancing on logs in ponds with spiked bars to man handle the logs? Tipping logs from the wagon may have been considered "safe" by comparison to standing on a floating log in a pond to move them?
Good morning Robin, you're right about those pegs they look very fragile, I was wondering how long one of these sets would last at playtime! I've seen some of those amazing Lionel operating items in action on youtube and you can see where Tri-ang were looking for ideas. They are stunning those American operating accessories and seem to make a lovely sound when in action.
Thanks again for watching and the information.
Take care.
Oscar
Does anyone know where I can get the bases Oscar has, that the elevated piers are sitting on? as I see on the inclines this allows you to add extra piers as I find 7 isn't enough and would like 13. I remember wanting 1 of those tippers as a child, but probably, wisely (as I would have broken it) one never turned up at Christmas or Birthdays.
I think the old mechanical chuff chuff sound is better than the DCC sounds. It is actually more in time with the piston movements. I find with DCC it is distracting when the sounds don't sync with the movement
Good morning Brendan, sadly I've no experience myself with DDC sound. But these old chuff chuff sound boxes really do give a very please sound with little care and attention. Plus it's such a simple idea it makes you smile every time.
Take care.
Oscar
early 19th century/20th century car judging by the Archbar trucks, and skeleton style body..
Does that actuating mechanism protruding out the side of the wagon catch on any other lineside fittings?
Hi so far I've not any problems with it on the layout, even runs through the station without a problem with the platform.
Stay safe.
Oscar
Hi Oscar. Can you give me some information. The Triang/Hornby station in the 60/70's had a upper story that clipped on to 2 of the standard bottom station buildings. You had one on your old layout and have used it on it's own on this layout. Can you give me it's proper name and model number as i would like to buy one. Another fun to watch video. Triang and early Hornby had not forgotton that they needed playability with their products. They seem to have forgotton that now. Ah the steam sound effect from the Hall. Still sounds like a bad tempered chicken looking for something to peck......lol. I think I still have a B12 and a Hall with that sound effect. I am not sure but I think you may know. Did the put that sound effect on the Flying Scotsman's tender at some point as well. Now I have to wait all week again in anticipation for your next video. take care.
Hi, i may be able to help: The station building is Triang R474, ( there is one on that well known auction site in Australia for $180). Yes they also did put the Chuff Chuff in one of the old Triang/Hornby Flying Scotsmans around 1972 to 1977. A great guide which i use for finding Triang/Hornby models is the Hornby guide.
Hope this all helps
@@joshuagoodfellow1719 Hi Joshua, Thanks for the info. it is just what I wanted. Now to try and find a building thats still worth buying.
Good afternoon Gerard yes that chuff chuff sound can drive you mad, I imagine that's why it's been removed from so many of the original models just for a bit of peace and quiet. As Joshua indicated below the R.474 was The Upper Floor for the station building between about 1965 and 67 it's a loverly looking item and could be stood on top of two R.473 Ticket Offices. It was later developed a little further when it went red same R. number but was referred to as the Terminus Building and had doors added either side so it could be used at platform level like the one I have in use with the canopy's this was available I think only between 71-72.
Thanks again for watching it great to hear you are enjoying the videos.
Take care.
Oscar
www.tri-ang.co.uk/OONew/newstationUpper.htm
Great toy with lots of play value, but rather mean of Hornby to save money by changing logs to pipes (which could never have been unloaded like that) and deleting the container to catch them.
Hi Roger, defiantly a bit of cost-cutting going on there, but I think these were difficult times for Hornby. The other set that was cheapened much earlier on was the TPO sets. The first versions for standard track and the Series 3 had those great little platform sections with the track built-in. I thought these were great and very robust compared to the clip fit accessories parts the replaced them later.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar
chugga, chugga, chugga, :-D
That 0-6-0 steam loco you used. The box shows "with smoke"
*Question:* Do you know if that loco use to steam?
Why am I asking? Because some claim you could wreck engines that can smoke, but the smoking part doesn't work.
*Edit:* While it may not be prototypical, I'd add the "tipping bin" so that logs/pipes don't goover the other track.
Good morning yes this the LMS Jinty has a smoke unit in and defiantly has fluid in so it's not running dry. It. The model smoke's quite well although not really at the speed used in this video. The model was in use just a few weeks ago in this video: th-cam.com/video/VwNHZClhgD4/w-d-xo.html the smoke units are disconnected on many of my models to protect the elements. I think your right the later set would benefit from a tipping bin, they have defiantly cut the cost of the set by removing it and as you say rather untidy on the layout.
Take care.
Oscar
I have never bean able to get my head around the "Lord Westwood" set. It is an oddity.
The loco seems too "good" to be hauling freight and the mixture of early Transcontinental stock with British is questionable (side tipping car).
In the 60s the stock was definitely segregated.
Hornby did this a couple of times through the 70s notably with the mail coach (R119) and the old time coach (R448) which appeared in the "Railway Children" set.
I have always thought that Triang's early HO/OO moniker represented Transcontinental/British.
Why Hornby isn’t producing these kind of fun products aimed at younger enthusiasts seems crazy to me, instead they keep insisting on their new, plastic rubbish
Hi I think you may be right these may not have lasted long in the hands of children but items like these are great fun to open and set and operate and form lasting memory's which can only develop a stronger overall image of model railways and engineering in general which is no bad thing.
Thanks again take care.
Oscar