Tim Mosso's Watch Collection in 2022: All The Watches I Own Listed And Reviewed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- The Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 was the most coveted luxury watch of 2019, 2020, and 2021. But auction frenzies, aftermarket price markups, years-long waitlists at dealers, and negative mainstream media coverage took its toll. Realizing that its most famous watch model had become a monster, Patek Philippe CEO Thierry Stern made the difficult call to discontinue the Nautilus 5711 at the end of 2021. Tonight, Tim Mosso discusses three times a luxury watch model or model line grew to subsume the watchmaker's brand itself.
Patek Philippe, a 183-year-old luxury watchmaker, was strong enough to end production of the Nautilus without undermining the watchmaker's business as a whole. First, the Stern family had been clear to promise that roughly 20 percent of its watch production would be steel and that no one model line could be more prominent than the Patek Philippe brand. Both guidelines helped to keep the luxury watch marketplace calm for a while, but by 2020, even precious metal versions of the Patek Philippe 5711 were subject to wild aftermarket speculation and obsessive customer interest.
Moreover, the Nautilus 5711 was beginning to dominate discussion of the Patek Philippe brand in the same fashion that the Royal Oak watches have come to dominate Audemars Piguet. According to some estimates, the Royal Oak and the Royal Oak Offshore collections provide over 90 percent of the profit at Audemars Piguet. That wouldn't do at Patek Philippe, so the decision was made to end Nautilus 5711 production after a year of commemorative model.
Three primary Patek Nautilus models were launched for 2021. The first was the 5711/1a-014 with a green dial and a steel case. The second was the 5711/1300A, a stainless steel Nautilus with a green dial and a bezel set with baguette diamonds. Finally, the most exclusive and most prestigious Patek Philippe Nautilus was the 5711/1a-018 "Tiffany & Co.", a stainless steel limited edition of 170 pieces with a dial in the signature light blue of New York jeweler and Patek Philippe dealer Tiffany. The dial of this Nautilus 5711 was signed "Tiffany & Co.", and a special commemorative caseback made subtle reference to Tiffany's owner Louis Vuitton Moet Hennessey (LVMH).
Almost immediately, aftermarket auctions of the 2021 Patek Nautilus variants hit $500,000 for the green dial -014 and $6.5 million for the Tiffany & Co. 5711/1a-018. All of this validated Thierry Stern's decision to discontinue the model. 2021 didn't mark the end of the Patek Philippe Nautilus collection as a whole, but it marked the beginning of end of the insanity surrounding the 5711.
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Tim you are a true original. Your collection has always been about passion and nothing about status. I don't even own a luxury watch lol, I just enjoy hearing you talk about them!
Tim is soo solid with his watch knowledge and presentation of material
His taste is exceptional. He’s a Long Islander. We have a certain something.
I say that with humor of course
Tim, I love your watch collection. You have all of them because they MEAN something to you. I wish more people would follow suit.
The fact that HODINKEE blocked you from commenting on their account is so petty lol. Take it as a compliment as they obviously respect that you’re a force to be reckoned with when it comes to this space and are obviously threatened in some way. I’ve been following you since the watchuwant days and to see where you’re at now is amazing. Cheers to your ongoing growth and success Tim. I’ve learned a lot from you over the years.
It must be that somebody was listening, since I attempted a post there a few minutes ago, and it's suddenly working! I have nothing but respect for others in the industry, so I was surprised that I couldn't post on that IG. I'm not one to hold a grudge or close doors.
Best,
Tim
@@the1916company such a great attitude to have Tim, and I can’t say I’m surprised 😊👍🏽
The biggest flaw in this industry are the auction houses. The offer a watch for "charity", which artificially pumps up that watches value, so more lots can hit the market over time at the inflated price. The whole this is a scam, and those of us outside of that bubble fall victim to flippers trying to cash in on the less prestigious models. The nautilus, while a great watch, is already overpriced at $33K for base model, let alone where the market has placed it. Makes me want out of this so called hobby.
I just move on to watches that nobody wants. There's always cool stuff to discover away from the mainstream - like my pocket watch from this episode.
Best,
Tim
@@the1916company exactly! Like those other Blancpains you discussed at the end there. I love their yellow gold Villeret with the green dial. Gorgeous!
The auction houses offer a watch for charity so the buyer can use the sale as a tax deduction -- which causes buyers to overbid.
You're really upset that "charities" get much needed money from people with a lot more of it? Also, the nautilus line is so expansive. It would be hard, for me at least, to make any of those watches for 33k so I would argue that it is hardly overpriced. Based on what I make now it would be roughly equivalent to half of a year to make that watch and I'm telling you right now that would not happen.
@@horologiumflorae2644they’re likely upset that the event in mind distributed most of its fundraising to a charity operated by the fundraiser himself
Tim I’m rooting for you to get that Ti blue Fifty Fathoms soon. You’ve been talking about it for at least 5 years. It’s one of my faves too, along with the o.g. black model. I’m desperate for a std. version 40mm to come out & I’m buying 👍🏻
@@the1916companywatchreviews 🤞for you sir! And OMG a “new 5015” in 40mm would be incredible.
I respect the path you have chosen Tim, well thought out, congrats. Not a Royal Oak fan, but like the 1159 ✅️. Your collection has class and history. Hodinkee? You are leagues and class above them, props to you. Thanx to you and Shawn
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@@the1916companywatchreviews you will do well Tim as you always do.🥃
Looking forward to this one, being a bit of a Patek 'nut' that is unfortunately never going to be able to afford to own my own one I need to live vicariously through people such as yourself Tim. The kettle has just boiled so I'm all yours for the next 40 or so minutes. Thanks as always for the wealth of information you share and the continual great content, regards from New Zealand
Never give up bro, I made it u can make it as well!!!
Great video! I think the examples were excellent. My question about Blancpain, though, is - are even their dive watches doing that well? Recently I’ve seen pre-owned prices of Fifty Fathoms and Bathyscaphe models that were much lower than I’d expected. You can definitely get either one for less than a steel submariner, which is crazy to me.
Great show Tim. Hearing about your thoughts and interests in watches and learning to become a watch maker is wonderful. You have been an inspiration to many people. Stay healthy and safe enjoy cycling and the corvette. All the best.
@@the1916companywatchreviews Thank you Tim for the reply.
I love the colorway of Tims watch. That pop of hyper neon green with that bright royal blue is sharp. I wish more watches had those colors. Id look into that watch, but I wouldnt want to copy his style.
Tim, glad you decided to hop on Finasteride. It was the greatest decision of my life when I started taking it at 23, now 33 and have more hair than ever. Love your content, keep up the great work.
Love T. Mosso. Love the humility, the passion and the ambition.
Hodinkee does not have anything on you Tim.
Until tonight I did not realize Tim wanted to learn watch repair/making skills. Tim should go to the Wristwatch Revival channel to learn how to repair & overhaul watches. Marshall shows in detail how to repair each watch. Also, there are DIY watch kits for Tim to learn how to build watches from scratch using a kit.
I'm a bit farther along than that, but thanks for the thought. The build-a-kit thing with basic watches is mostly for entertainment purposes rather than professional instruction. I've been through calendar systems and automatic chronographs at this point. TH-cam watch repair videos are OK if you just want to see the steps of a service, but actually turning parts and making replacement metal components requires some kind of teacher. That's not something I'm going to be able to get online.
Best,
Tim
@@the1916company I understand. It also takes lots of practice to make intricate watch parts. There is a watch maker near you. Go see RGM watches in Lancaster and see if they will teach you their methodology.
@@dannysimenauer5745 Roland still uses an old Rose engine for his guilloché dials. I’d like to pick up an RGM at some point.
@@jumboJetPilot I also would like to add RGM to my collection. The hand finishing is amazing, and the watches are affordable.
He's back! Tim, great to see you have the wind back back in your sails. The last few videos lacked the enthusiasm I and many viewers have been addicted to in watching your videos. I had no idea until tonight that PP Nautilus models were affordable until 2019! I also fully agree with your view that today's prices make no sense given it is a date function in steel. I also am hoping that Vacheron prices reset to more affordable levels so I can afford to buy one. Keep up the great work!
What kind of watch is Tim wearing ?
@@stanwilson7040 Dan Royter DR02 custom piece.
Best,
Tim
@@stanwilson7040 Royter. You can see it on their website.
Tim, couldn't agree with ur take on AP more. It's got such an illustrious history, only to have become the Royal Oak company. Don't get me wrong, the RO is a GREAT and important watch, but AP is, or used to be, so much more than this one model line.
Tim, you have inspired me to play Secret Treaties. What a tremendous album, and a super cool cover. My go-to (and my first-ever album) has long been Agents of Fortune, but these guys are great all around. Aside from a Scottish dude I met working at a campground when I was 17, you are the only hardcore BÖC fan I've known. 🤟😈
Secret Treaties call out, nice. A watch worthy of the Harvester of Eyes.....
Fantastic content and refreshing approach beats any other reviews on YT
An excellent round-up, Tim; very engaging and informative. If I may be permitted a correction, however: the correct pronunciation of 'Blancpain' is with a silent 'c' (i.e. in French, the only way that Blancpain - white bread, literally - could be pronounced as 'blankpain' would be if you substituted a 'qu' for the 'c')
Hey Tim! Nice Accept shirt, opening for them in october!
Tim, you and I love the same AP. They made some amazing dress watches and complications. Good luck with watchmaking!I love your Illinois pocket watch with that perfected preserved baked enamel dial. Beautiful!
Thanks Tim and team
Love your show, Tim ♥️
no loss in not being able to post on hodinkee, tim.
you dont have the hipster vocal fry or inflection to be part of their conversations. their absorption of crown and caliber seems indicative of the direction theyre going.
Thanks for the shout out to ER doctors.
Great show…never disappoints!
I love that Moritz Grossman Benu enamel dial!
Wasn't that cool? I shot a series of videos for them a few years ago, and the watches were excellent in person.
Best,
Tim
I think the contrast between Patek and AP’s stories in this video is really the contrast between long- and short-terms business vision. In my view, AP embraced its image as the Royal Oak/Offshore brand for the sake of sales. Patek, rather, not only discontinued the 5711, but kept the supply under control during the last ~2 years of its production, when the demand was soaring.
I think it’s just as true, however, that the rest of AP’s range today is just not good enough to draw attention away from the Royal Oak, which cannot be said for Patek. Nor is their vintage market anywhere near as strong.
I don’t share your affinity for AP, Tim, because, while I am not very well educated on their history, in the last 20 years they seem to me like a brand that hasn’t payed enough attention to improving their less successful models / creating new models.
Very well said
thanks, Tim, for sharing your collection enjoyed watching
Good stuff as always.
Thank you for watching, Elizabeth!
Best,
Tim
Great looking pocket watch 😍
@@the1916companywatchreviews If you’ve checked out my channel you’ll see I’m definitely partial to the Maximus. Highly recommend. I’ve tinkered with some of my lower-end movements but am not brave enough to dismantle any high-grade movements yet besides a dial or hands exchange. I need to take a beginners watchmaking course.
45 minutes...we got spoiled tonight! Did you pressure test your SnowDrop at WatchBox?...would be curious.
@@the1916companywatchreviews That makes sense. I wasn't suggesting you pressure test it, and if the results were good you use it accordingly. It would be more of a curiosity
Good video, and a good collection !
Tim, we love you, you’re genius is so valued, you may be the best on the web….for the love of God get an autocue! You can run one on an iPad these days. Respect from somebody in the TV biz for 30 years.
Greetings from Montana!
It's been great to hear a bit more about your current watchmaking endeavours! Can you recommend us a few books besides the famous "The Theory of Horology" published by WOSTEP and "Watchmaking" from George Daniels?
BTW... did you get to go through the 60-slide presentation about chronographs I sent you about a month ago? Any sort of feedback would be greatly appreciated!
I’m working my way up to AP (hopefully). I would love to have just the standard 15500 in a few years, however I have no experience & no history with AP, and the nearest boutique is about 500 miles away. Be honest, if I were to go to a boutique & asked to get my name on a list for the Royal Oak, 1) would they do it? 2) as of Oct. 22 what is the typical wait time for an AP newbie? Even if I had to wait 4/5 years I would, I could just about afford a 15500 at retail, current grey market prices are well beyond my budget. PS - love the channel
If I was about to ask another person’s opinion in the world before I buy a watch .. it would be Tim Mosso
Start following wrist watch revival then and make yourself a new friend. I’m sure you’ll find a kindred spirit interested in watchmaking. Cheers
I watched Ozark on netflix a little while ago.
And to think all Marty had to do is go to these watch auctions…
does anyone know if Tim benefitted from watchbox IPO. i assume he owned some of watchbox?
Time to talk with Tim!!!
More coming soon!
Best,
Tim
Tim, The British Horological Institute offers a distance learning course to become certified as a watchmaker.
Favorite color IWC Ingeneur?
Tim did you sell your Sinn watch
No, there was a charity auction a few months ago, and I participated with my Sinn.
Best,
Tim
Tim, is Ishida Watch shop online in Tokyo Japan legit? Thanks nikko
Did Genta design the 5100? I thought that was a myth and that the only Rolex he worked on was the King Midas.
@@the1916companywatchreviews I trust you above all Tim!
Tim getting banned from some watch platforms-possibly getting as infamous as Archie Luxury 🤔?
How not to be defined by a single design: come up with more good designs. It's a little ridiculous that the two most iconic watch designs are by the same person. Where's the creativity?
And the great irony is that most Genta designs were NOTHING like the RO, Nautilus, and IWC 1832.
Best,
Tim
Your watch is exactly in BMW Alpina colours Tim .
Tim, come take a class at AWCI
@@the1916companywatchreviews it's a very inviting atmosphere and Jason is a great instructor. You would love it man.
I love the fact that the absurd pricing on the 5711 Tiffany stretches credulity so much that even a professional watch reviewer can't help but break his neutrality stance to go on a multi-minute rant about it. Like doing something so egregious that Switzerland breaks its own neutrality stance... I think tracking the prices after inflation on most of the iconic Swiss watches from the 70s would break some people's brains. The mechanical quality has gone up due to automation since then (which reduces manufacturing costs at the end of the day) while finishing standards have in many areas gone down. On a side note, I hope that indies starting with common or open-source movement designs can evolve past Unitas 6498 if only because the movement sizes excludes a lot of potential customers (including most women).
Shit missed it again ... Can you guys give me call before the show starts 🥺
@@the1916companywatchreviews Thanks Tim
Would be helpful
Do forget the thumbs up!!
You know Tim i will be 67 soon and my Father was in WW2, he brought back maybe 3-4 watches from Europe and later gained that 100% patina. You know in those days so many watches were 35 MM. Like a FOOL i went to an old Army and Navy store and traded it for some quartz dive watch that died in a few years, i should have kept the memorabilia watches and had them serviced or restored, once its sold its gone so keep them regardless of their monetary value. Those watches now running well would be worth a good penny, ALL were MANUAL wind so you like a ritual if you wanted to know the time a 'morning wind' was necessary
Where are your sunglasses??
my grandma knows rolodex and rolex the two things you need
Pocket watches are all the rave today. "They're called mobile phones." lol
Almost made me feel guilty about having a Fifty Fathoms, almost.
Beautiful! Just like Tim, I’ve had my eye on the titanium FF with blue dial for a long time now. I also love the steel version with blue guilloché dial. Which version do you have?
@@jumboJetPilot steel and black, I hummed and hared over blue or black but I have other blue watches and I wanted the classic black on a bracelet diver look.
@@alastairblair awesome! I’d get the bracelet as well.
Cough cough… Aldis Hodge is not a watchmaker like himself and Hodinkee say he is.
Thanks for the response I stand corrected. Thanks for calling me out on my saltiness. I was just upset with how he has been portrayed even in your sit down with him in my opinion. If he had personal clarified that he is currently working on and has worked on what designs in the past and avoided the term watchmaker all together. After posting this I am going to go back and watch his interview with you and I’ll eat crow if I misremembered details of your conversation.
Actually I stopped watching it, I feel my take on your sit down video is still valid. I would suggest renaming his WatchBox video to not include watchmaker. You argue this point, right here in this week’s Monday live video. Still love all the content and what Aldis is bringing to the horology community.
You're blocked by the Dink?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
What has HODINKEE got against you Tim? 😆
It’s the way you talk is not podcast friendly!