The AI is so advanced that the enemies knew you were reviewing the visual and performance aspects of the game for digital foundry and therefore didn't attack.
@@Healcraft That does not answer the question. Those are different games with vastly reduced scope compared to SM64. What I meant, is that do you think a 3D mario game of a similar form and function could work on that console? The quality of the story or gameplay is overlooked in that comparison.
I was thinking this exact thing. It’s like they had absolutely zero engine devs working on this title. I’m really disappointed in MS this gen, even worse than last gen. Last gen was the hardware and OS efforts, while this gen is solely the game development. We’ve come a LONG way from the Halo 2 and Halo 3 days of Xbox reigning supreme as the master of console shooter tech and performance 🤦🏻♂️
It's not only texture pop-in. Animations are sometimes not loading correctly and I wonder if that problems with AI aren't also caused by scripts not loading. I can't wait for new Witcher with even more data streaming problems than in Cyperpunk.
@@MrKuncol dude the animations looks very janky & immature! Prolly developed by a guy in his basement PC. Who da hek even approved those animations man! Walking feels like ur ice skating over the ground 🤦 that alone is a big deal breaker for me atleast! Cuz wht else would u be doing in the game most of the time?
This is urine engine, hah. UE4 decals system (which is responsible for that pop-in) is complitely broken out of box, and badly rely on main thread for CPU. Multithreading in UE4 almost complitely missing, until the developers themselves manually rewrite half of the engine code (like Mundfish did for Atomic Heart).
@@someawesome7984 That would explain why Atomic Heart is probably only one open world AAA game on UE I know that wasn't total failure on launch. I guess that with lack of competition Epic simply don't care anymore.
I think most of the people would be happy if it were just playable but bethesda are the kings of "Its not a bug its a feature" (its a bug and a lot of them)
@@kiriuxeosa8716 I recall Fallout 4 not crashing at all unless I did something strange with mods. I'm not terribly worried. The quality of actual Bethesda games and not Zenimax games are largely fine. Written terribly, but solid technically.
Bout the only thing I want from starfield is a good foundation for modding the fuck outta it...FO4 turned into a stalker type game/difficulty was really sick and immersive
For sure im gonna sell my xbox in 2024, if Microsoft doesnt bring us a Very Good exclusive in 2023. Its been almost 3 years of new gen, and just Forza 5 has exclusive decent quality
You know it’s an interesting year when people are more excited around the discussion on what the most disappointing AAA release of the year is than GOTY.
Yeah that's been happening for a few years now. I'm more excited to watch videos and discussion on a game than play it anymore. Even the "good" ones these days just waste your time.
GOTY's probably going to end up between Zelda, Final Fantasy XVI, Spider-Man 2 and Starfield anyway. Even if Bethesda Game Studios titles are notoriously buggy they're basically always industry events when they come out That discussion is kind of predetermined because it's obvious what titles are up for contention just by looking at them
I'm just not really sure what the goal was here with Redfall. It feels like a game the devs didn't want to make, for players who don't want to play it.
Definitely, 2016's Bethesda was making so many bad calls by chasing Live Service money, FO76, Wofenstein Youngblood and now RedFall, please end this GaaS fad.
@@G_GO0NO That’s genuinely sad. The game is objectively bad, terrible performance, gameplay, mechanics, graphics, art style and little to no content. Also, why is whenever someone’s negative about something (and rightly so here), there’s always that one person that says “I’m loving it, but I make up my own opinions”, as if the people that have played the game, and have decided that it’s dreadful, aren’t doing the same thing as you.
@@G_GO0NO I'm actually glad that you are having a good time, I'm of the opinion that I'd like more games to succeed because that means we have more good options of games to play.
It dreads me that several studios picked up Unreal Engine as a "give up" solution to them struggling to update their proprietary engines to support the newer console hardware. Yet 8th gen issues still manage to pop up in UE, you'd think stuff like 30FPS and bad texture streaming would be a thing of the past.
I used to believe Unreal was the godsend to gaming but so many games on this engine lately turn out being either turds or polished games with bad performance.
I fell like there is something wrong in UE itself in how it handle data streaming in open world games. Way to many of them have exactly that kind of problems, even Days Gone and Epic itself was helping in it's development.
It's really bizarre, UE3 is technically less powerful than UE4 but there are so many games released on it that look and perform better on it from various developers. As far as UE4 the only devs that have consistently shown what it can do properly have been Epic and the Coalition which consist of a lot devs from Epic too. There other titles out there that good too but they're probably still the best examples.
@@TheOldest Yeah it seems like the creators of the engine would naturally be able to master it while many other developers lack a grip. The only non-Epic UE game I thoroughly enjoyed with minimal issues was Kingdom Hearts 3. The game looked and played very well though it still struggled in some parts on my borrowed PS4. Still it was a rather pleasant experience overall. I'd argue it wasn't worth the wait for an Unreal Engine swap, but then again I've been waiting to play a new Kingdom Hearts for over 12 years.
We need customizable AI difficulty levels like TLOU 2 in every game. A lot of developers probably don't want to make AI smart due to fear of frustrating the average player.
@@weaverquest It's also hard to program AI intelligently, and a lot easier to just up the difficulty with cheap tricks like increasing their range of vision.
@@supersardonic1179 Worse offender with modern games is larger healthbars/making enemies spongy, just soaking all them bullets in harder difficulties. Increasing range of vision is fine imo. as some enemies feel like they are blind to anything not in front of them unless you mean upping the distance they can see in which case I agree.
@@ancientflames It varies I feel. Some aspects looked better some looked worse, like sheer polygon count. Art drives a lot of the best looking graphics more than technology and this games art style is drab and lacking compared to Halo 3.
@@IronMan-jj2fd That being said, it's a lot of fun to play with friends. The world is great, the story is fun, and the guns and gameplay loop are enjoyable.
Microsoft not only giving this game the okay to release in this state but charging 70 goddamn dollars for it is a massive disservice to their platform. I believe this is only their second completely next gen, full price game after Flight Sim since Hi-Fi Rush was a budget title. Appalling that it's this technically disastrous
This title started development way before MS bought zenimax I think, and it's not like MS is going to stop/restart development on a title that already started being developed. From what I see it looks like it someone basically told arkane to make a live service game which they were then to somewhat revert to a different type of game when it was showing that live service was getting kindof onpopular. It would explain why there are so many issues, cause it really seems like the direction of this game is all over the place.
MS needs to be involved and watch quality closely with their studios. If Day One AAA games on Gamepass are intended to be the selling point for the console, then each game coming from their studios needs to carefully curated throughout development. With Redfall disappointing many including Phil Spencer, who apologized this morning for the game, the pressure on Starfield to be that "killer app" is insane.
I don't know why you think MS is the gold standard of quality control. Have you ever used Windows?🤣Anyway he already admitted in his interview today that they knew the game was mediocre at best and had major issues. The only thing MS is playing for now is to buy up the cloud space so they can win in the next generation after this one. Maybe AI can develop their games from now on.😂
I understand what you mean. All the other reviews are SUPER harsh (deserved) so this one comes across not that harsh. However it is quite critical and provides all technical evidence to support the negatives. The language used by DF is professional and courteous, because they are professional and courteous, but in no way it is glamourizing the many flaws of the game. I'm thankful that they are not like Angry Joe with fabricated anger.
@@itag295 Let me guess, you are one of those guys that will switch your narrative to PlayStation Fanboys when they say good things (a lot of the time) about PS5 exclusives? 😆
It's the GPE (Game Pass Effect). They couldn't even optimise it for TWO Consoles. When a first party studio cannot even fully utilize the hardware who else can? Did someone forced them to use the UE4 or was it simply the easiest & cheapest solution?
Remember when during Xbox’s 2021 E3 showcase, they saved the CG trailer for Redfall as the finale? Remember how confusing it was they didn’t end on something at least more anticipated like Starfield, Forza, Halo, etc? Makes you kinda wonder what they were thinking and it’s aged worse knowing how this game turned out.
Starfield had its own showcase just minutes later, Redfall WAS highly anticipated. I can't help feeling they should have stuck with the Void engine rather then jump to UE though. We'd be seeing a very different reaction now if they had.
@@zybch They opened the showcase with Starfield though. Unless you’ve mixed it up with the 2022 E3 where they opened with Redfall gameplay (at least a little more reason to be excited) and ended with Starfield. As for engine changes, it’s not always the best idea to do that but they apparently utilised UE for one of Prey’s DLCs and of all the engines they could’ve switched to, UE would be the most beneficial for standardised toolsets, support and not having to build every system from scratch. Going from a bit of DLC (which is already odd) to a big AAA 4 player online open world live service is probably too much too fast. If they had maybe attempted a standalone game on a smaller scale, like Hi-Fi Rush, maybe they’d be more prepared to take on a big project like this with UE.
"I see commentary out there--'If you just build great games, everything will turn around.' It's just not true [that] if we go off and build great games, all of a sudden you're going to see console share shift in some dramatic way." Brah. That's what he's saying. It's baffling.
@@Cshizzle94 It's not baffling at all and he's absolutely right. Good exclusive games no longer push users to one console over another because the market is saturated with great games and gamers are so deeply entrenched in the digital ecosystems/profiles/friend groups on either PC, Nintendo, Playstation or Xbox, that they won't just 'switch sides' because one gets a few good games the others don't. Obviously he's not saying good exclusive games aren't important for a platform to survive, they are and he makes that very clear in his answer and admits they aren't doing well enough; but they aren't the driving force behind shifting marketshare in that space anymore, that time has passed. Which is why Sony and Microsoft are branching out into new spaces like PC and Cloud.
The full context of this quote is even worse when you realize he's admitting defeat by saying Sony and Nintendo are too far ahead in exclusivity for MS to even try. The obvious implication is that they won't be funding any great games any time soon and buying studios outright is the best they can do.
Imagine seeing a giant company like Microsoft buy a large but smaller company like Bethesda. And thinking, "Nothing but polished high standards video games from them from here on out." .
The Microsoft effect, they are just terrible at management. Better sell the xbox franchise to a capable and experienced company. Because enough is enough!
Redfall is failed game in its core idea. There was no amount of resources that would save it and at the same time it was way to far into development to kill it. Especially that MS really wasn't in position they could afford PR fallout of killing game from one of best studios in industry just after buying them. It's colossal fuck up by Arkane Austin. They didn't need to optimize it for PS5, but only XBox, had additional year to finish it and after 6 years of development Redfall is still barely playable.
I agree. I think they just plan on low budget games they can fit on 150 million screens without pushing the boundaries of game development or cost. Phil said today that their creators want games 160 million can play. Well a lot of those devices are weak and need weaker games to play them.
I want to hear the story of how this game was made. Arkane is an extremely well respected game developer, they must have been MADE to do this against their will, no?
"My kid loves playing this ForkKnight game with their friends and is always making me buy them bucks. MAKE A GAME PEOPLE CAN PLAY WITH THEIR FRIENDS!" - Big Brain Executive.
@@EmperorOfMan "And said game needs to come out fast! Bugs & glitches... we can just patch them after release like we always do. I mean come on what do you think we're actually gonna pay for play testing, hmph!"
I'm willing to bet they were told to make some live service/co op thing and given not enough time to do so. Halo Infinite suffered the same not enough time problem... Sony seems to be giving their studios the time needed to put out decent games that perform well.
@@danielvorster5773 too bad neither sony nor ms don't give their writers enough time, cause we've been getting the most ridiculous drivel in these new exclusives.
They prolly rebooted it at some point and tried to glue together with duct tape the game in the last year or so. They got no experience on this kind of game.
@@Rafa-Silva-Alt they were hoping for it to get rebooted but it didn't, arkane were simply forced by zenimax and Bethesda to make a game they didn't want to do.
Bro red fall looks worse than halo 1 in certain spots? Next generation only shouldn't even be comparable to anything that came before.... But especially not comparable to a 2001 game good lord Arkane
John is being about as kind as you can be on this game. Lets not beat around the bush; it's an absolute disaster and embarrassment for Xbox. It's bad enough having poor gameplay, but when you've got bugs and glitches to boot it becomes simply unplayable. The only good thing about it is the art style.
@@jorge69696 I mean it's a completely different art style to Fortnite, so not sure how you can compare them. I thought they captured the East Coast, New Hampshire vibe pretty well, and the character models are not too different from Dishonored. It's just a shame the game itself is bad, and that's leaving aside the bugs.
Just... Arkane Austin needs to spend a lot more time on the design board to make sure it works. Because I agree. The drop from Prey to Deathloop to this has been rough. (I enjoyed Deathloop, but it wasn't goty material by any means)
On Series S the hand has a lower poly count. There are visible edges. And the pistol doesn't just have less detailed textures it is a different model. Or is it just a different type of pistol available in the game?
They need 1-2 year of patches to finish the game, patches that fix: - AI - Performance mode (60fps) - Performance/optimisation issues, so that they can improve visuals while keeping 30/60fps - Offline mode when solo (and that you are able to pause the game) - Saved progress when co-op - Improve story telling - Improve itemisation, making loot more interesting - Improve character progress (talent points) - Improve those empty/boring moments by adding more interesting stuff
It is unbelievable that a game can release in this state and be deemed acceptable and put up for sale. The issues are so obvious and noticeable and still they sell it for full price.
Man. Making games is hard. Like, there’s little excuse for releasing a game like this, but there’s just so much going on that needs to all go right for a solid experience.
Really liked that you talked about the controls for a bit. Would love it if you showed all of the controls menu for games. How the camera feels in a first-person console game is one of the most critical parts and you don’t always find people on youtube that show the full menus.
The aim acelleration is my biggest complaint. I can put up with occasional stutters and texture popins, but the controller sensitivity is simply unacceptable this far into the console era. Even 30fps wouldn't be so bad if I could aim accurately.
@@V3ntilator Of course he did, it was up to him and his team to decide whether it would continue development. They allowed it to keep going and look what they got
@@silverhost9782 nah Zenimax does thing based on their own discretion , MS is just the owner .. it’s the creative freedom everyone wanted MS to give their studios , this is one of those times they should of stepped in.
Ive said this several times on here, but im amazed at what The Coaltion was able to do with UE on Gears 5 and 4 and Gears Ultimate Edition. All look better and run better than Redfall.
I feel for the dev team here, there is no way they sat back and said “yep it’s ready”, this seems like a publishing push based on an expected release schedule for Xbox and MS most likely rejected the dev teams appeal for more time.
This is not a game. It's legalized robbery. These game companies must be penalized in some shape or form that hurts them. And remember kids: DON'T PRE ORDER GAMES!!!
100% agree!!! seeing so many people saying that they didnt want to make a bad game. But this is beyond false advertising...its the equivalent of serving a meal at a restaurant that you have to wait for the chef to finish it in a few months. If it is available to buy now it should be finished. What a joke I hope people sue them
Besides the technical issues - given the state of the game design it does make you wonder if this was the game that was originally intended. Did they proceed down one path then restart and have to rush something out to fit Game Pass release schedules? I'm sure we'll hear the truth in time.
Something like a Left 4 Dead but with Vampires angle seems plausible, at some point they went looter shooter crazy it seems. Then who knows what happened, probably restarted the project 3-4 times until this thing came to existence.
A lot of games switch from games as a service to more traditional games with the flop of Avengers, things like anthem also were impactful in this phenomenon, thats why Gotham knights was delayed and ending up being a weird game with trails of a Game as a service and suicide squad is the same. redfall feels despite what people say, that is more of a legacy of the Bethesda attempts to have a big game as service, Xbox bought them in 2020 and this game probably was already in preproduction if not in early production, theres no way you get a game like this in 3 years, even more considering it was meant for last year, using pentiment as an example is clearly a game made under Xbox tenure, a cheap , small project, that i can see been done in a couple of years which is a great game btw.
@@juaniriarte9484 Just about two years, really, since the deal closed in March of 2021. It was probably in production since around 2018 when they finished up with Prey, so when Bethesda was pushing hard into creating some online service games (i.e. fallout 76 and Wolfenstein: Young Blood). I agree that it it feels like a game they originally envisioned as a live service and tried to pivot at some point during development.
“Sorry sir, we put your order in. Here's your side of mash, your steak will be ready next week.” oh btw there is a 15% gratuity. - AAA Studios. Unreal (and not the engine)
Imagine books were published like video games: we would get a spelling and grammar error filled text with incomplete sentences and unfinished paragraphs. The first few chapters would be mostly complete, but the later chapters would decay into outlines and bullet lists of ideas. With e-books, updates are already possible, so I expect this will be a reality in our timeline soon.
*_Complete, and utter, hotdog water! The scary part is Phil “the gamer” Spencer was surprised it wasn’t well received. That’s the guy running this sinking ship. Let that sink in!_*
Gaming is in shambles. Devs releasing unfinished games that ALREADY struggle to run well even tho we just started this generation , after being forced to endure cross-gen for years. I own both series x and ps5 and there is little reason to own any of them
There was no potential in the very concept of the game. It was doomed from the inception and the performance is just the rotten cherry on the poop-cake
@@theanimerapper6351 Problem is, developers don't get to choose what they want to make. Those decisions are made by greedy corporations. All the developers do is work on unrealistic deadlines. These same developers gave other great games in the past, it's not like they forgot how to write code, it's just that they didn't get the time and space to be able to do their magic. Sad really, the devs get blamed, laid off and the corporations escape unscathed.
i disagree, i think the game is has a great concept and it's close to achieving it's vision, it just needs a ton of bug fixing, it clearly needed more time, and technical support to help them fix their issues.
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu I dunno... No amount of bug fixes can fix the lack of... core. Their marketing stated it follows arkane's immersive sim formula, but you literally dont have any options to approach a mission. It's just point a to b with no variance. It's like they didn't want to make this game so they went the bare mininum with the cutscenes, multiplayer features and level design.
how many more times are we going to hear that it needs a little more time. so sick of these games coming out half finished and they're also charging $70
Exactly how I feel right now. Instead of spending billions of dollar on ATB, they should use that money to hire improve all existing studios that they already acquired. With proper budget, Redfall should not be this bad.
Just want to say that this is a really great and fair review. Thank you. I hope we stop to accept this mediocrity of triple A titles and that this will be a turning point in future development.
The sad thing is that fundamentally it's not a good game, so aside from fixing bugs, I don't see a redemption story for this happening. Even with a bad launch, both No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk had a good base to build on.
@@kraenk12 spending too much money on acquisitions and not enough on helping their teams. i dont want to hate on them but it is very frustrating to watch.
Arkane's prowess never was in technical side of things and definitely not in UE. They used many other engines but AFAIR no other Arkane Austin game was made in Unreal Engine. Their prowess is in designing intricate levels that as a whole are one giant puzzle, but that's probably least useful skill when making coop looter shooter you can have. They are worst studio to make this type of game. They not only didn't have any experience in this type of game but their way of making games is actually hindrance in this case. Coop looter shooters and immersive sims are literally polar opposite of game design.
It seems to me that likely the direction ion this was all over the place, it wouldn't surprise me that it would originally be a live service game that had to be rebranded to other things when that model got unpopular. It would explain why there are so many issues. I'm guessing they had to come up with a complete new game and get it out the door at some point. Also, I'm guessing this title in particular didn't receive much funding from ms themselves, considering they started development before MS bought zenimax. It seems more likely to me that zenimax wanted a live service game and ordered Arkane austin to create it, saw that live service wasn't working out and then just told them to make something "releasable" quickly and get it over with and hope people won't remember the title.
This is probably the most entertaining DF video I’ve ever watched. Between showing the (lack of) enemy AI here @10:17 and comparing texture detail and resolution on a XSX to an Xbox game released 22 years ago @7:35, I was almost in tears. Despite textures taking 18 seconds to load each time you visit, and the frame rate in Quality mode ranging between 20 and 30 fps, I was still down to play on “the most powerful” game console ever made. But his final summary did give me pause: “Redfall doesn’t make the grade. I just hope this doesn’t take the studio down with it.” 😮
Finally some realism in games. Enemies should not be hostile 100% of the time. Great to see that they are afraid of the player, slayer of a 1000 vampires.
@@virtualDan Dumb? I see it as a 1000 IQ move to "play dead" and hope the Player loses interest. They have no chance against the Slayer of 1000 Vampires. When I play Skyrim fully geared with Daedric, bandits wearing nothing but fur and a rusty knife would charge me.
@@wg8561 oh boy where to start. God Of War Ragnorak was 60 at 1080p, Hogwarts, atomic heart, dead space remake, high on life, etc. 90% of the time if a game has a “quality” or “performance” option it’s 4k30 on quality and 1080p (sometimes 1440p) on 60. The consoles aren’t powerful enough to get a steady 4K60.
@@wg8561 what are you talking about? They literally all are. The game devs lock the resolution to what the game sets it at? All you have to type in online is the “what is the resolution of (whatever game you’re trying to find). I can’t believe there are people out there who actually believe a $500 console can play games at 4K60 😂
Bethesda and Microsoft should be ashamed of such products but I’m sure they’ll spin this as a great game pass success. In reality the concurrent players played it for an average of 2 hours each.
It's getting harder staying an xbox fan. They should make us feel like yes, it's good that we chose team green. If they fuck starfield up i might just shit on my whole digital library and move to ps5.
Speaking as a PS5 owner and long term PlayStation fan, it’s not all sunshine and roses over here on Team Blue. We do get more consistent First party games for the most part, but some big third party games run just as bad as Red Fall. It’s an industry wide issue. None of us are safe.
@@huracan8958 seems like PS gets a new spectacular game every few months. Xbox doesn't seem to be putting anything worthwhile out at all. Maybe if xbox fans just stop buying consoles and games, they'll get the hint. Would be better for all of us if it were more competitive.
It's a shame there are so many issues. The game itself is an aesthetic I like - vampires and spooky towns and all that. I'm not terribly interested in the multiplayer, though. Still, Arkane usually does such a good job that I'll probably at least give it a chance when it's on sale on PC.
@@suburban-vampire The trailers read more like video game power fantasy in a haunted town. In other words, I don't get the sense that the game is trying to be scary. It's just leaning on horror themes for its setting. That said, do what you want. It makes no difference to me if you buy it or not.
Do the problems in the first area carry to the second area? I havent seen any review besides jez corden's actually talk about the 2nd area. I'm guessing none of them actually got there. Wondering if it feels just as empty as the first map.
Xbox have a big exclusive problem. I own PS5 and Xbox series X. I wish Xbox would take a leaf out of Sony's book and make some good single player cinematic big adventures. Starfield is the big hype and I'm not into it. Hopefully Phil Spencer and co sort it out. This has been a very limp gen so far.
It's sad if you think about it how many amazing triple a exclusives has xbox released in the last 10 years that weren't forza, gears of war, or Halo? Its a very small list, i keep telling people that xbox with their 1st party studios started to fade after 2011, bungie leaving xbox was the beginning of the end, then xbox downsized the amount of third party exclusives that they were funding(360 had a stupid amount of 3rd party exclusives) then don matrick completly nerfed the launch of xbox one, then epic games wanted to start making other 3rd party games, then lionhead got canned, and so many bad things to happen at xbox game studios. I miss sucks because I've been such a huge fan of xbox for so long but if playground games rpg division fuck up the fable reboot i swear thats it for me with xbox, idc about the 340 games i own digitally at that point
"If a tree falls in the woods and nobody's around to see it, can you still clip through it?" -- John Linneman, 2023 I would love to see a Digital Foundry shirt with this quote lol
This is the first time digital foundry sounds so apologetic. The game is clearly busted, but homeboy still say things like: "Theres a lot to like" and "the image quality is sharp and pristine" as he just showed the extream popping, and low blurry quality assets. Man would of never tought DF to start shilling for horribly unpolished products!🤷🏻♂️😔
Doesn't even sound like it's apologetic or even shill-like. It almost gives me a pity feeling. Like "damn this game is so bad but it can look good if you wanna wait 20 seconds for resolution to catch up". Realistically, who wants to wait 20s just to see the game look prettier, only for it to look like shit again when you move a foot
This image quality being "pristine" is about the resolution not dipping much. As for the "there's a lot to like", I have no idea what he's talking about.
Man, I'm getting more and more embarrassed to not own a Switch or PS5. Xbox really letting me down both last gen and this gen so far. Game Pass is Xbox's saving grace at this point.
why is controller input lag a selection menu??? I cannot seems to understand why someone would choose to play on a higher latency response? This genuinely boggles the mind.
"I defeated a vampire to continue my observation of a texture" This is what videogames were made for.
It’s an analysis dummy 😂😂😂
The AI is so advanced that the enemies knew you were reviewing the visual and performance aspects of the game for digital foundry and therefore didn't attack.
Amazing comment! Lol
That must be the same diagnosis for the AI in Star Citizen, when of course their not standing on chairs or at attention the parade ground.
Sadly, in a few cases "exclusive for the next gen" is meaning "it's so poorly optimized it only runs on the next gen"
Same as it ever was
@@ExileHeretic Not really. Do you think SM64 could run on a stock SNES?
@@Thelango99 yes super mario world 1 and 2 better games
@@Healcraft That does not answer the question. Those are different games with vastly reduced scope compared to SM64.
What I meant, is that do you think a 3D mario game of a similar form and function could work on that console? The quality of the story or gameplay is overlooked in that comparison.
I was thinking this exact thing. It’s like they had absolutely zero engine devs working on this title. I’m really disappointed in MS this gen, even worse than last gen. Last gen was the hardware and OS efforts, while this gen is solely the game development. We’ve come a LONG way from the Halo 2 and Halo 3 days of Xbox reigning supreme as the master of console shooter tech and performance 🤦🏻♂️
That texture pop-in is wild. Sure, Unreal Engine has had this problem before but wow, that is on literally everything at all times. how crazy.
It's not only texture pop-in. Animations are sometimes not loading correctly and I wonder if that problems with AI aren't also caused by scripts not loading.
I can't wait for new Witcher with even more data streaming problems than in Cyperpunk.
UE4 Open World Days Gone on PS4 destroys this POS
@@MrKuncol dude the animations looks very janky & immature! Prolly developed by a guy in his basement PC.
Who da hek even approved those animations man! Walking feels like ur ice skating over the ground 🤦 that alone is a big deal breaker for me atleast! Cuz wht else would u be doing in the game most of the time?
This is urine engine, hah. UE4 decals system (which is responsible for that pop-in) is complitely broken out of box, and badly rely on main thread for CPU. Multithreading in UE4 almost complitely missing, until the developers themselves manually rewrite half of the engine code (like Mundfish did for Atomic Heart).
@@someawesome7984 That would explain why Atomic Heart is probably only one open world AAA game on UE I know that wasn't total failure on launch.
I guess that with lack of competition Epic simply don't care anymore.
This has put Starfield in the unenviable position of having to be be a game of the year contender and nothing less.
I think most of the people would be happy if it were just playable but bethesda are the kings of
"Its not a bug its a feature" (its a bug and a lot of them)
@@kiriuxeosa8716 I recall Fallout 4 not crashing at all unless I did something strange with mods. I'm not terribly worried. The quality of actual Bethesda games and not Zenimax games are largely fine. Written terribly, but solid technically.
Bout the only thing I want from starfield is a good foundation for modding the fuck outta it...FO4 turned into a stalker type game/difficulty was really sick and immersive
Bethesdia needs to hit it out of the park looking at how Fallout 76 released I don't have much hope.
For sure im gonna sell my xbox in 2024, if Microsoft doesnt bring us a Very Good exclusive in 2023. Its been almost 3 years of new gen, and just Forza 5 has exclusive decent quality
You know it’s an interesting year when people are more excited around the discussion on what the most disappointing AAA release of the year is than GOTY.
Yeah that's been happening for a few years now. I'm more excited to watch videos and discussion on a game than play it anymore. Even the "good" ones these days just waste your time.
GOTY's probably going to end up between Zelda, Final Fantasy XVI, Spider-Man 2 and Starfield anyway. Even if Bethesda Game Studios titles are notoriously buggy they're basically always industry events when they come out
That discussion is kind of predetermined because it's obvious what titles are up for contention just by looking at them
@@icedcapplord710 let's be real, Microsoft's GOTY competitor is Hi-Fi Rush right now for having no bugs. So much could go wrong with Starfield.
@@vncube1even that I got bored of after 5 hours. Good gsme though overall. No issues. Just didn't keep my interest.
@@icedcapplord710 Hi Fi Rush will get thrown in as the token indie (I know it's not an indie)
I'm just not really sure what the goal was here with Redfall. It feels like a game the devs didn't want to make, for players who don't want to play it.
Definitely, 2016's Bethesda was making so many bad calls by chasing Live Service money, FO76, Wofenstein Youngblood and now RedFall, please end this GaaS fad.
MS ordered GamePass fodder!
I'm having fun with it, glad I don't rely on other peoples opinion about video games and tried for myself 👍
@@G_GO0NO That’s genuinely sad. The game is objectively bad, terrible performance, gameplay, mechanics, graphics, art style and little to no content. Also, why is whenever someone’s negative about something (and rightly so here), there’s always that one person that says “I’m loving it, but I make up my own opinions”, as if the people that have played the game, and have decided that it’s dreadful, aren’t doing the same thing as you.
@@G_GO0NO I'm actually glad that you are having a good time, I'm of the opinion that I'd like more games to succeed because that means we have more good options of games to play.
This was supposed to be released last year, right? That's crazy.
what me and many others were thinking 💀 what state was this game in when it was delayed
Same thing was said about Halo Infinite when that launched. I'm sensing a theme here with Xbox...
@@tropicata you can't compare the two. Halo's short coming primarely around content delivery post release. Its release wasn't unacceptable.
@@dougbfresh halo was delayed an entire year and had minimal content on release
@@dougbfresh the copium den is down the block homie , we're sober over here...
This student game looks like it has potential. I hope they can find a publisher so they can finish it.
I dunno even if they fixed all the bugs the game still just looks meh , striving for Medicore isn't having potential
Looks like Coalition studios are fixing the bug i guess.
Most accurate comment here
How on earth did Xbox allow this to be one of their AAA flagship gamepass exclusives?
IT'S NO USE!!
Taaaake thi-ITS NO USE! Taaaaaake thi-ITS NO USE! Taaaaake thi-ITS NO USE!
@@LateNightHalo I FINALLY FOUND YOU..... IBLIS TRIGGER!!!
😂 reminded me of good ol oblivion dialogue
TAKE THIS!!
What a grand way to dig '06 out of the grave
It dreads me that several studios picked up Unreal Engine as a "give up" solution to them struggling to update their proprietary engines to support the newer console hardware.
Yet 8th gen issues still manage to pop up in UE, you'd think stuff like 30FPS and bad texture streaming would be a thing of the past.
I used to believe Unreal was the godsend to gaming but so many games on this engine lately turn out being either turds or polished games with bad performance.
I fell like there is something wrong in UE itself in how it handle data streaming in open world games. Way to many of them have exactly that kind of problems, even Days Gone and Epic itself was helping in it's development.
*proprietary
It's really bizarre, UE3 is technically less powerful than UE4 but there are so many games released on it that look and perform better on it from various developers.
As far as UE4 the only devs that have consistently shown what it can do properly have been Epic and the Coalition which consist of a lot devs from Epic too. There other titles out there that good too but they're probably still the best examples.
@@TheOldest Yeah it seems like the creators of the engine would naturally be able to master it while many other developers lack a grip.
The only non-Epic UE game I thoroughly enjoyed with minimal issues was Kingdom Hearts 3. The game looked and played very well though it still struggled in some parts on my borrowed PS4. Still it was a rather pleasant experience overall.
I'd argue it wasn't worth the wait for an Unreal Engine swap, but then again I've been waiting to play a new Kingdom Hearts for over 12 years.
I'm not expect TLOU2 levels of AI but you can at least have it like Borderlands where the enemies are a threat
Especially when the dev has shown they're capable. How can this enemy AI come from the Dishonored folks?
We need customizable AI difficulty levels like TLOU 2 in every game. A lot of developers probably don't want to make AI smart due to fear of frustrating the average player.
@@weaverquest It's also hard to program AI intelligently, and a lot easier to just up the difficulty with cheap tricks like increasing their range of vision.
@@supersardonic1179 Worse offender with modern games is larger healthbars/making enemies spongy, just soaking all them bullets in harder difficulties. Increasing range of vision is fine imo. as some enemies feel like they are blind to anything not in front of them unless you mean upping the distance they can see in which case I agree.
Redfall has the worst AI I have ever seen in a game, nothing comes close😂
You could literally go through the entire game without having seen the actual textures depending on how quickly you play.
Insane
@@ThePokestopPapi Arkane
I propose a 100% no texture speedrun category
Multiplayer/coop focused, but no matchmaking. Nice job Arkane. That alone kills it for me.
What a breathtaking game with innovative graphics, I look forward to what type of games we will see in 2008
? Most games in 2008 look better than this. Halo 3 in 2007 looks way better.
@ancientflames 2008 was the year of Mirror's Edge, Sonic Unleashed, LittleBigPlanet, MGS4, Dead Space and Resistance 2. They all hold up
Ha
@@ancientflames It varies I feel. Some aspects looked better some looked worse, like sheer polygon count. Art drives a lot of the best looking graphics more than technology and this games art style is drab and lacking compared to Halo 3.
@@monkfishy6348dishonored 1 on Xbox 360 looks better in every aspect including art style.
the pop-in is absolutely insane
It's not just that, the game sucks in every aspect possible. I hope they're suffering their own consequences now.
Redfall lol wht a joke 🤣
@@IronMan-jj2fd That being said, it's a lot of fun to play with friends. The world is great, the story is fun, and the guns and gameplay loop are enjoyable.
@@kobeandgary refill your copium dose
@@SpartanKyuubi cope about what?
@@kobeandgary cope harder sir
Microsoft not only giving this game the okay to release in this state but charging 70 goddamn dollars for it is a massive disservice to their platform. I believe this is only their second completely next gen, full price game after Flight Sim since Hi-Fi Rush was a budget title. Appalling that it's this technically disastrous
It's probably worth 7 dollars max
HiFi Rush is miles better too. Shame this is the followup. They could've had some good momentum there.
and they also cancelled ps5 version (the decision was made by xbox and they own bethesda now) for better optimization on xbox series x
@@leonxus2701 it was to make it exclusive, not for "better optimization", are you 5?
@@MaxIronsThirdI think he means they were able to spend more time optimizing it for the series systems since they cut the p5 version.
The Sonic '06 callback was sublime.
Cyberpunk 2077 Launch Day: I have the worst AI in any modern game
Redfall: Hold my beer!
Holy shit, Microsoft is really shitting the bed this gen
Just this gen? They shit the bed last gen too. They’ve been a walking L since 2013.
@@Tanzu15 agreed... I forgot about last gen...360 era was probably their best
This title started development way before MS bought zenimax I think, and it's not like MS is going to stop/restart development on a title that already started being developed. From what I see it looks like it someone basically told arkane to make a live service game which they were then to somewhat revert to a different type of game when it was showing that live service was getting kindof onpopular. It would explain why there are so many issues, cause it really seems like the direction of this game is all over the place.
@@studentt6064 Sure, buddy. I wonder if you would say the same if the game was not bad. 😂😂😂
They pulled an Amber Heard
MS needs to be involved and watch quality closely with their studios. If Day One AAA games on Gamepass are intended to be the selling point for the console, then each game coming from their studios needs to carefully curated throughout development. With Redfall disappointing many including Phil Spencer, who apologized this morning for the game, the pressure on Starfield to be that "killer app" is insane.
Microsoft haven't a clue how to manage studio's.
This generation is just as bad as the last.
I don't know why you think MS is the gold standard of quality control. Have you ever used Windows?🤣Anyway he already admitted in his interview today that they knew the game was mediocre at best and had major issues. The only thing MS is playing for now is to buy up the cloud space so they can win in the next generation after this one. Maybe AI can develop their games from now on.😂
@@originalityisdead.9513 Microsoft need to quit. Those incompetents have no clue how to handle a studio or ip. Should just get the fk out of here😅
@@georgestephenopolous5508 lol by no means but they had a great run with 360 first party games so hopefully they can get back to that.
@@twocityfoodies8476he’s talking about the one x
This is the most positive redfall review I have seen
Microsoft sponsors DF. Same as Nvidia/Intel.
Maybe watch the whole thing before making a comment next time
I understand what you mean. All the other reviews are SUPER harsh (deserved) so this one comes across not that harsh. However it is quite critical and provides all technical evidence to support the negatives.
The language used by DF is professional and courteous, because they are professional and courteous, but in no way it is glamourizing the many flaws of the game. I'm thankful that they are not like Angry Joe with fabricated anger.
@@itag295 Let me guess, you are one of those guys that will switch your narrative to PlayStation Fanboys when they say good things (a lot of the time) about PS5 exclusives? 😆
@dannycr06 and yet they, like many, glossed over just how bad the controls in deathloop are
It's the GPE (Game Pass Effect).
They couldn't even optimise it for TWO Consoles. When a first party studio cannot even fully utilize the hardware who else can? Did someone forced them to use the UE4 or was it simply the easiest & cheapest solution?
Remember when during Xbox’s 2021 E3 showcase, they saved the CG trailer for Redfall as the finale? Remember how confusing it was they didn’t end on something at least more anticipated like Starfield, Forza, Halo, etc? Makes you kinda wonder what they were thinking and it’s aged worse knowing how this game turned out.
Starfield had its own showcase just minutes later, Redfall WAS highly anticipated. I can't help feeling they should have stuck with the Void engine rather then jump to UE though. We'd be seeing a very different reaction now if they had.
@@zybch They opened the showcase with Starfield though. Unless you’ve mixed it up with the 2022 E3 where they opened with Redfall gameplay (at least a little more reason to be excited) and ended with Starfield. As for engine changes, it’s not always the best idea to do that but they apparently utilised UE for one of Prey’s DLCs and of all the engines they could’ve switched to, UE would be the most beneficial for standardised toolsets, support and not having to build every system from scratch. Going from a bit of DLC (which is already odd) to a big AAA 4 player online open world live service is probably too much too fast. If they had maybe attempted a standalone game on a smaller scale, like Hi-Fi Rush, maybe they’d be more prepared to take on a big project like this with UE.
"Making great games will not sell consoles"
-phil spencer
That's a bit of a misquote, no?
"I see commentary out there--'If you just build great games, everything will turn around.' It's just not true [that] if we go off and build great games, all of a sudden you're going to see console share shift in some dramatic way."
Brah. That's what he's saying. It's baffling.
That's not what he said, at all
@@Cshizzle94 It's not baffling at all and he's absolutely right. Good exclusive games no longer push users to one console over another because the market is saturated with great games and gamers are so deeply entrenched in the digital ecosystems/profiles/friend groups on either PC, Nintendo, Playstation or Xbox, that they won't just 'switch sides' because one gets a few good games the others don't.
Obviously he's not saying good exclusive games aren't important for a platform to survive, they are and he makes that very clear in his answer and admits they aren't doing well enough; but they aren't the driving force behind shifting marketshare in that space anymore, that time has passed. Which is why Sony and Microsoft are branching out into new spaces like PC and Cloud.
The full context of this quote is even worse when you realize he's admitting defeat by saying Sony and Nintendo are too far ahead in exclusivity for MS to even try. The obvious implication is that they won't be funding any great games any time soon and buying studios outright is the best they can do.
Imagine seeing a giant company like Microsoft buy a large but smaller company like Bethesda. And thinking, "Nothing but polished high standards video games from them from here on out."
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The Microsoft effect, they are just terrible at management. Better sell the xbox franchise to a capable and experienced company. Because enough is enough!
Redfall is failed game in its core idea. There was no amount of resources that would save it and at the same time it was way to far into development to kill it. Especially that MS really wasn't in position they could afford PR fallout of killing game from one of best studios in industry just after buying them. It's colossal fuck up by Arkane Austin. They didn't need to optimize it for PS5, but only XBox, had additional year to finish it and after 6 years of development Redfall is still barely playable.
Imagine if they did release it last year😮
Yeah pisses me off. Granted this was in development before then. Either way there is no excuse ms shouldn't have let it happen
I agree. I think they just plan on low budget games they can fit on 150 million screens without pushing the boundaries of game development or cost. Phil said today that their creators want games 160 million can play. Well a lot of those devices are weak and need weaker games to play them.
I want to hear the story of how this game was made. Arkane is an extremely well respected game developer, they must have been MADE to do this against their will, no?
"My kid loves playing this ForkKnight game with their friends and is always making me buy them bucks. MAKE A GAME PEOPLE CAN PLAY WITH THEIR FRIENDS!" - Big Brain Executive.
@@EmperorOfMan "And said game needs to come out fast! Bugs & glitches... we can just patch them after release like we always do. I mean come on what do you think we're actually gonna pay for play testing, hmph!"
Bought by Microsoft they ruin everything they touch.
I'm willing to bet they were told to make some live service/co op thing and given not enough time to do so. Halo Infinite suffered the same not enough time problem... Sony seems to be giving their studios the time needed to put out decent games that perform well.
@@danielvorster5773 too bad neither sony nor ms don't give their writers enough time, cause we've been getting the most ridiculous drivel in these new exclusives.
My biggest issue is one you noted and that's how empty this city is, it's lifeless. The AI is second on the list of bad things in Redfall 🤤
Oh my god, that Silver the Hedgehog, “It’s no use!” gag made my day! 😂😂😂
I was hoping John would reference that, and he did. :D
Did Arkane Austin really spend 5 years making this?
They prolly rebooted it at some point and tried to glue together with duct tape the game in the last year or so. They got no experience on this kind of game.
@@Rafa-Silva-Alt they were hoping for it to get rebooted but it didn't, arkane were simply forced by zenimax and Bethesda to make a game they didn't want to do.
Bro red fall looks worse than halo 1 in certain spots? Next generation only shouldn't even be comparable to anything that came before.... But especially not comparable to a 2001 game good lord Arkane
John is being about as kind as you can be on this game. Lets not beat around the bush; it's an absolute disaster and embarrassment for Xbox. It's bad enough having poor gameplay, but when you've got bugs and glitches to boot it becomes simply unplayable. The only good thing about it is the art style.
The art style is just vampire fortnight...
The gamepass effect
@@Nishan113yep
As shown at the end, the art style sucks when compared to Fortnite. There is nothing good about this game.
@@jorge69696 I mean it's a completely different art style to Fortnite, so not sure how you can compare them. I thought they captured the East Coast, New Hampshire vibe pretty well, and the character models are not too different from Dishonored. It's just a shame the game itself is bad, and that's leaving aside the bugs.
I wish for a follow-up for Prey, one of the best SIFI games ever.
Just... Arkane Austin needs to spend a lot more time on the design board to make sure it works. Because I agree. The drop from Prey to Deathloop to this has been rough.
(I enjoyed Deathloop, but it wasn't goty material by any means)
On Series S the hand has a lower poly count. There are visible edges. And the pistol doesn't just have less detailed textures it is a different model. Or is it just a different type of pistol available in the game?
Eww 🤢 wht a damn shame on the developers! Hope they don't learn their lesson cuz that's whts been happening recently...
that sonic 06 joke was incredible
They need 1-2 year of patches to finish the game, patches that fix:
- AI
- Performance mode (60fps)
- Performance/optimisation issues, so that they can improve visuals while keeping 30/60fps
- Offline mode when solo (and that you are able to pause the game)
- Saved progress when co-op
- Improve story telling
- Improve itemisation, making loot more interesting
- Improve character progress (talent points)
- Improve those empty/boring moments by adding more interesting stuff
Definitely two years minimum to fix all this and at this point, starfield might fail and Xbox as hardware might not be around then 🤷🏾
It is unbelievable that a game can release in this state and be deemed acceptable and put up for sale. The issues are so obvious and noticeable and still they sell it for full price.
Man. Making games is hard.
Like, there’s little excuse for releasing a game like this, but there’s just so much going on that needs to all go right for a solid experience.
Really liked that you talked about the controls for a bit. Would love it if you showed all of the controls menu for games.
How the camera feels in a first-person console game is one of the most critical parts and you don’t always find people on youtube that show the full menus.
The aim acelleration is my biggest complaint. I can put up with occasional stutters and texture popins, but the controller sensitivity is simply unacceptable this far into the console era. Even 30fps wouldn't be so bad if I could aim accurately.
This game gets Phil Spencer's seal of approval
Crazy thing is it didn’t lol it wouldn’t had got release of it was up to Phil ..
Phil didn't have any saying on this game. Bethesda runs standalone under Microsoft flag and is not interfered by Microsoft.
More like seal of exposed
@@V3ntilator Of course he did, it was up to him and his team to decide whether it would continue development. They allowed it to keep going and look what they got
@@silverhost9782 nah Zenimax does thing based on their own discretion , MS is just the owner .. it’s the creative freedom everyone wanted MS to give their studios , this is one of those times they should of stepped in.
Ive said this several times on here, but im amazed at what The Coaltion was able to do with UE on Gears 5 and 4 and Gears Ultimate Edition. All look better and run better than Redfall.
Same with kingdom hearts 3
Exactly, it's completely on the devs here, they're literally could've gone to the Coalition for assistance and probably should've.
@riceeater79 never played it! But I feel like it's too easy just to lay blame at engine. These devs did a crap job through and through.
21FPS in a major first party title in 2023.
I played it with my bro online, it was just too generic to continue with. I’m looking forward to your Tears of the Kingdom deep dive!
I feel for the dev team here, there is no way they sat back and said “yep it’s ready”, this seems like a publishing push based on an expected release schedule for Xbox and MS most likely rejected the dev teams appeal for more time.
Welcome back John nice to hear your voice
Some of those textures look like Cloud's door in FFVII remake (non-intergrade)!
Ps1 door haha
This is not a game. It's legalized robbery. These game companies must be penalized in some shape or form that hurts them. And remember kids: DON'T PRE ORDER GAMES!!!
100% agree!!! seeing so many people saying that they didnt want to make a bad game. But this is beyond false advertising...its the equivalent of serving a meal at a restaurant that you have to wait for the chef to finish it in a few months. If it is available to buy now it should be finished. What a joke I hope people sue them
You can always rely on John for a level-headed analysis of any video game.
My favorite DFer for a reason!
The first game I thought of when talking about tree textures was Halo: Combat Evolved. The tree textures in that game blew me away at the time.
xbox era gave it an 8.5/10, not biased at all lmao! so desperate...
They accidentally went to far and missed the 0 before the .5
I was thinking the same thing, how the F this game gets anything above a 3 is baffling. KENA bridge of sprits is a way better game
No, no. You're mistaken. It's 0.85/10
That texture pop-in to higher rez is ridiculous
Besides the technical issues - given the state of the game design it does make you wonder if this was the game that was originally intended. Did they proceed down one path then restart and have to rush something out to fit Game Pass release schedules? I'm sure we'll hear the truth in time.
I suspect that the online might have had a different path than intended.
Something like a Left 4 Dead but with Vampires angle seems plausible, at some point they went looter shooter crazy it seems. Then who knows what happened, probably restarted the project 3-4 times until this thing came to existence.
A lot of games switch from games as a service to more traditional games with the flop of Avengers, things like anthem also were impactful in this phenomenon, thats why Gotham knights was delayed and ending up being a weird game with trails of a Game as a service and suicide squad is the same. redfall feels despite what people say, that is more of a legacy of the Bethesda attempts to have a big game as service, Xbox bought them in 2020 and this game probably was already in preproduction if not in early production, theres no way you get a game like this in 3 years, even more considering it was meant for last year, using pentiment as an example is clearly a game made under Xbox tenure, a cheap , small project, that i can see been done in a couple of years which is a great game btw.
@@juaniriarte9484 Just about two years, really, since the deal closed in March of 2021. It was probably in production since around 2018 when they finished up with Prey, so when Bethesda was pushing hard into creating some online service games (i.e. fallout 76 and Wolfenstein: Young Blood). I agree that it it feels like a game they originally envisioned as a live service and tried to pivot at some point during development.
I cannot fathom how this is a 70$ AAA game... If it was an indie title made by a 12 people studio I would still consider it undercooked
“Sorry sir, we put your order in. Here's your side of mash, your steak will be ready next week.” oh btw there is a 15% gratuity. - AAA Studios. Unreal (and not the engine)
Lol 😂
This is one of those games that proves the value of DF again.
The best games to play in 2023 are games not made in 2023
Sad but true. Let's see if at least Zelda will be good.
Linneman has returned to DF with this great, sincere video!
really tough to release a fully tested and functional game in this day and age
Imagine books were published like video games: we would get a spelling and grammar error filled text with incomplete sentences and unfinished paragraphs. The first few chapters would be mostly complete, but the later chapters would decay into outlines and bullet lists of ideas.
With e-books, updates are already possible, so I expect this will be a reality in our timeline soon.
Xbox keep taking L's. And now Phil Spencer emerges with the same old lines and soothsayings
That Silver reference was just beautiful.
*_Complete, and utter, hotdog water! The scary part is Phil “the gamer” Spencer was surprised it wasn’t well received. That’s the guy running this sinking ship. Let that sink in!_*
Gaming is in shambles. Devs releasing unfinished games that ALREADY struggle to run well even tho we just started this generation , after being forced to endure cross-gen for years. I own both series x and ps5 and there is little reason to own any of them
Fair, balanced review John. Thanks as ever.
There was no potential in the very concept of the game. It was doomed from the inception and the performance is just the rotten cherry on the poop-cake
When will developers stop making these types of games? Just create quality single players like you always have
@@theanimerapper6351 Problem is, developers don't get to choose what they want to make. Those decisions are made by greedy corporations. All the developers do is work on unrealistic deadlines. These same developers gave other great games in the past, it's not like they forgot how to write code, it's just that they didn't get the time and space to be able to do their magic. Sad really, the devs get blamed, laid off and the corporations escape unscathed.
i disagree, i think the game is has a great concept and it's close to achieving it's vision, it just needs a ton of bug fixing, it clearly needed more time, and technical support to help them fix their issues.
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu it's basically using the Far Cry formula. That one is not clicking with audiences of late, look at Far Cry 6
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu I dunno... No amount of bug fixes can fix the lack of... core. Their marketing stated it follows arkane's immersive sim formula, but you literally dont have any options to approach a mission. It's just point a to b with no variance. It's like they didn't want to make this game so they went the bare mininum with the cutscenes, multiplayer features and level design.
how many more times are we going to hear that it needs a little more time. so sick of these games coming out half finished and they're also charging $70
Just don’t buy it. Stop supporting this trash.
Another Rare case Microsoft need to stop buying developers and use all the money to create good games with the developers they have
Exactly how I feel right now. Instead of spending billions of dollar on ATB, they should use that money to hire improve all existing studios that they already acquired. With proper budget, Redfall should not be this bad.
best stealth killing animation of the year: the killer elbow.
Just want to say that this is a really great and fair review. Thank you.
I hope we stop to accept this mediocrity of triple A titles and that this will be a turning point in future development.
This is a AAA title game?
WTF?
This is abysmal for a AAA game, nothing looks or plays good.
It looks like a xbox 360 game ffs.
Phil don't care about quality.
@@xtremegamer78 It's all about filling that gamepass with low quality games.
The sad thing is that fundamentally it's not a good game, so aside from fixing bugs, I don't see a redemption story for this happening. Even with a bad launch, both No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk had a good base to build on.
Idk how with the funding of xbox, year delays, and the prowess of arkane's team that they made... This.
Microsoft forced them to release it too early for GamePass.
@@kraenk12 spending too much money on acquisitions and not enough on helping their teams. i dont want to hate on them but it is very frustrating to watch.
Arkane's prowess never was in technical side of things and definitely not in UE. They used many other engines but AFAIR no other Arkane Austin game was made in Unreal Engine.
Their prowess is in designing intricate levels that as a whole are one giant puzzle, but that's probably least useful skill when making coop looter shooter you can have. They are worst studio to make this type of game. They not only didn't have any experience in this type of game but their way of making games is actually hindrance in this case. Coop looter shooters and immersive sims are literally polar opposite of game design.
It seems to me that likely the direction ion this was all over the place, it wouldn't surprise me that it would originally be a live service game that had to be rebranded to other things when that model got unpopular. It would explain why there are so many issues. I'm guessing they had to come up with a complete new game and get it out the door at some point. Also, I'm guessing this title in particular didn't receive much funding from ms themselves, considering they started development before MS bought zenimax. It seems more likely to me that zenimax wanted a live service game and ordered Arkane austin to create it, saw that live service wasn't working out and then just told them to make something "releasable" quickly and get it over with and hope people won't remember the title.
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu it’s very easy to “hate” on them tho….
If you told me the scene at 8:53 mark was from an early 360/ps3 game, I would believe you.
This is probably the most entertaining DF video I’ve ever watched. Between showing the (lack of) enemy AI here @10:17 and comparing texture detail and resolution on a XSX to an Xbox game released 22 years ago @7:35, I was almost in tears.
Despite textures taking 18 seconds to load each time you visit, and the frame rate in Quality mode ranging between 20 and 30 fps, I was still down to play on “the most powerful” game console ever made.
But his final summary did give me pause: “Redfall doesn’t make the grade. I just hope this doesn’t take the studio down with it.” 😮
Check out their review of the first version of Ark on Switch. That one is pure comedy gold
1 year later arkane austin got shut down
Finally some realism in games. Enemies should not be hostile 100% of the time. Great to see that they are afraid of the player, slayer of a 1000 vampires.
Afraid?? Redfall have the dumbest AI in video game history.
I agree Pong has better A.I
@@virtualDan Dumb? I see it as a 1000 IQ move to "play dead" and hope the Player loses interest. They have no chance against the Slayer of 1000 Vampires. When I play Skyrim fully geared with Daedric, bandits wearing nothing but fur and a rusty knife would charge me.
I don't mind stylized graphics but they should be running at a 4k 60 when they aren't pushing any boundaries.
Many of the games don’t feature 4K 60. Most of the time it’s 1080p 60.
@@msu_spartan2532 no hardly any game is 1080p 60. When was the last time it was that low?
@@wg8561 oh boy where to start. God Of War Ragnorak was 60 at 1080p, Hogwarts, atomic heart, dead space remake, high on life, etc. 90% of the time if a game has a “quality” or “performance” option it’s 4k30 on quality and 1080p (sometimes 1440p) on 60. The consoles aren’t powerful enough to get a steady 4K60.
@@msu_spartan2532 none of those are 1080p WTF!?
@@wg8561 what are you talking about? They literally all are. The game devs lock the resolution to what the game sets it at? All you have to type in online is the “what is the resolution of (whatever game you’re trying to find). I can’t believe there are people out there who actually believe a $500 console can play games at 4K60 😂
11:04 “It’s no use!” 😂
Great video! I was not expecting the Sonic 06 reference at 11:03. I cracked up instantly!
What a way to come back from vacation John! Great review of a bummer of a game. Can't wait to have you back on DF Direct.
Bethesda and Microsoft should be ashamed of such products but I’m sure they’ll spin this as a great game pass success. In reality the concurrent players played it for an average of 2 hours each.
It's getting harder staying an xbox fan. They should make us feel like yes, it's good that we chose team green. If they fuck starfield up i might just shit on my whole digital library and move to ps5.
Speaking as a PS5 owner and long term PlayStation fan, it’s not all sunshine and roses over here on Team Blue.
We do get more consistent First party games for the most part, but some big third party games run just as bad as Red Fall.
It’s an industry wide issue. None of us are safe.
Thanx for an honest answer, makes me feel a bit better. Sorry for your losses over at team blue. Problems in this industry affecting us all.
Same here bro: no exclusives, xbox underperforms on multiplatforms, and now just shitty quick made games for fill on game pass
@@OrtadragoonX 😂😂cap xbot😂😂
@@huracan8958 seems like PS gets a new spectacular game every few months. Xbox doesn't seem to be putting anything worthwhile out at all. Maybe if xbox fans just stop buying consoles and games, they'll get the hint. Would be better for all of us if it were more competitive.
It's a shame there are so many issues. The game itself is an aesthetic I like - vampires and spooky towns and all that. I'm not terribly interested in the multiplayer, though. Still, Arkane usually does such a good job that I'll probably at least give it a chance when it's on sale on PC.
I'll pass on the Fortnite / broke ass Pixar look, thanks. It's pretty much the opposite of what I want from horror content LOL
@@suburban-vampire The trailers read more like video game power fantasy in a haunted town. In other words, I don't get the sense that the game is trying to be scary. It's just leaning on horror themes for its setting.
That said, do what you want. It makes no difference to me if you buy it or not.
Microsoft should face class action for the quality of their games.
Do the problems in the first area carry to the second area? I havent seen any review besides jez corden's actually talk about the 2nd area. I'm guessing none of them actually got there. Wondering if it feels just as empty as the first map.
Now THIS is the review I have been waiting for!
same
This is not the game you’re looking for. You can go about your business. Move along.
Xbox have a big exclusive problem. I own PS5 and Xbox series X. I wish Xbox would take a leaf out of Sony's book and make some good single player cinematic big adventures. Starfield is the big hype and I'm not into it. Hopefully Phil Spencer and co sort it out. This has been a very limp gen so far.
It's sad if you think about it how many amazing triple a exclusives has xbox released in the last 10 years that weren't forza, gears of war, or Halo? Its a very small list, i keep telling people that xbox with their 1st party studios started to fade after 2011, bungie leaving xbox was the beginning of the end, then xbox downsized the amount of third party exclusives that they were funding(360 had a stupid amount of 3rd party exclusives) then don matrick completly nerfed the launch of xbox one, then epic games wanted to start making other 3rd party games, then lionhead got canned, and so many bad things to happen at xbox game studios. I miss sucks because I've been such a huge fan of xbox for so long but if playground games rpg division fuck up the fable reboot i swear thats it for me with xbox, idc about the 340 games i own digitally at that point
Hey welcome back john 😊
"If a tree falls in the woods and nobody's around to see it, can you still clip through it?" -- John Linneman, 2023
I would love to see a Digital Foundry shirt with this quote lol
They should definitely hustle merch with catchy saying’s on them. Would buy in a heartbeat 😂
This looks like Fallout 76 on a technical level
John's dry humour is the best
This game looks right at home on the xbox 360, minus all the bugs, glitches and a plethora of issues plaguing it.
20:52 whats going on with those markers in the game world? so jittery, uhhh
This is the first time digital foundry sounds so apologetic.
The game is clearly busted, but homeboy still say things like:
"Theres a lot to like" and "the image quality is sharp and pristine" as he just showed the extream popping, and low blurry quality assets.
Man would of never tought DF to start shilling for horribly unpolished products!🤷🏻♂️😔
That's not shilling. The game did look good sometimes.
Doesn't even sound like it's apologetic or even shill-like. It almost gives me a pity feeling. Like "damn this game is so bad but it can look good if you wanna wait 20 seconds for resolution to catch up".
Realistically, who wants to wait 20s just to see the game look prettier, only for it to look like shit again when you move a foot
This image quality being "pristine" is about the resolution not dipping much. As for the "there's a lot to like", I have no idea what he's talking about.
@@kaarthuisplus "sometimes" sometimes is not good enough PERIOD!
@@alexperez1519 yeah we know that genius
Man, I'm getting more and more embarrassed to not own a Switch or PS5. Xbox really letting me down both last gen and this gen so far. Game Pass is Xbox's saving grace at this point.
The game in its entirety flows together like a heap of debris in a landfill. - Digital Foundry
😂😂
why is controller input lag a selection menu??? I cannot seems to understand why someone would choose to play on a higher latency response? This genuinely boggles the mind.
The wording is stupid but I think it refers to stick deadzone?
@@blueplumber6970 oh thanks for the clarification , that makes a lot more sense.
What's with the large deadzones on recent Xbox releases?
And this is an exclusive from the same company that wants to own every game studio in the world.
Its so insane to make coop such a priority but then have no cross progression. Great idea just make everybody not want to play your game 😂
Yeah I mean playing coop is basically a big hell no, well, the entire games a big hell no