it would be interesting to hear his view on this quote: “‘The Church is not a thing like the Athenaeum Club,’ he cried. ‘If the Athenaeum Club lost all its members, the Athenaeum Club would dissolve and cease to exist. But when we belong to the Church we belong to something which is outside all of us: which is outside everything you talk about, outside the Cardinals and the Pope. They belong to it, but it does not belong to them. If we all fell dead suddenly, the Church would still somehow exist in God. Confound it all, don’t you see that I am more sure of its existence than I am of my own existence?’” (G.K. Chesterton, The Ball and the Cross)
He's talking about a place. Like the building you walk into on a Sunday. Is there some analogy of the church as a spiritual reality that is like a house for the soul? If not why is there so much emphasis on church architecture and the cathedral as a house for the soul?
This is true, but that doesn't change the fact that the Apostles considered themselves to have authority, they set up an Apostolic Succession (proving not every missionary is an Apostle), and all the early Church fathers understood this.
The 2 sacraments(ordnances) in protestantism are baptism and the Lords supper(communion). I'm not certain any protestant would say it's baptism and marriage!
Tipparat Duangin i know they don't save a person. The bible tells us so. It is only by faith we can be rescued from this dark world. Anyone who thinks they'll get into heaven for their works is deceived indeed.
Irene-of-meteora I’m pretty sure he was speaking on Protestantism from a Catholic perspective. Marriage is a sacramental Bond. Protestants have valid marriages. Regardless of their recognition of matrimony as sacramental, that is one of the two sacraments they can distribute validly. (The other, I mean only other, bring baptism)
There is vincible and invincible ignorance. Those who never knew Jesus weren't taught of the gospel have a chance of getting to heaven because of vincible ignorance. But for those who already know the truth of the catholic faith and still ignores will answer to God on judgement day.
1Cor12:12- "The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. So it is with the body of Christ". And, so it is with the Church of Jesus. He choose us, we accept Him and His gospel as the truth of our life, we are under His grace when He is the Lord of our life.
SunflowerMaze Everything you said is true. But, HOW, exactly do we "accept him"? He told us He came to give us His Church and that His Holy Spirit would guide His Church into "all truth". He said He would not leave us orphans and that He would be with His Church "until the end of time". In Acts 1:21-26 we see the apostles, immediately after Jesus' Ascension, acting swiftly to replace the position left vacant by Judas's suicide. They prayed for guidance, asking God to show them which candidate was "chosen to take the place in this apostolic ministry from which Judas turned away." After choosing Matthias they laid hands on him to confer apostolic authority. The writings of the early Church Fathers show this APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION continuing on in time. Men were continuously ordained as successors to the apostle's and their successors as leaders of Jesus' Church. Look at 1 Timothy 1:6 and 4:14, where Paul reminds Timothy that the office of bishop had been conferred on him through the laying on of hands. Notice in 1 Timothy 5:22 that Paul advises Timothy not to be hasty in handing on this authority to others. In Titus Paul describes the apostolic authority Titus had received and urges him to act decisively in this leadership role. That APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION has never ended. It was the successors of the apostles who gave us the Bible in the late fourth century under the direction of Pope Damasus (the successor to St. Peter).
Richard Wharton The Church which Jesus established. We see apostolic succession throughout the Bible (see Acts 1:21-26, 1 Timothy 1:6 and 4:14, 1 Timothy 5:22, for starters) and all over the early Christian writings. Apostolic succession has never ceased and is found today in the ordained offices of the Roman Catholic Church. (Yes, it can be found in the Orthodox Churches as well, but schism is expressly condemned by Sacred Scripture.)
S Terry ....no it doesn't..."the like figure..." It is a portrait, a symbol of an inward working of the Holy Spirit. An outward profession to the world that you are dying out to this world and being raised to newness of Life. It is a symbol of somone who is born again identifying themself with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The thief on the cross wasn't baptized. What about n the desert some one accepts Chist as savior & there ain't no water, then the person dies prior 2 baptism. Baptism takes away NO sin. Infant baptism takes away NO sin
The church is the Ecclesiastes, or the called out ones, which is anybody, anywhere in the world, in any denomination or group, that obeys the teachings of Jesus Christ. To say that the Catholic, or Mormon or Jehovah witness is the true church, especially with their man made doctrines, is a distortion.
Kenneth Blair Come on brother are you listening your self I know it sounds nice democratic and everyone is equally equal BUT SAINTS ARE THISE SET APART NOT SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE so if they all follow teachings of Jesus and if all led by Holy Spirit how come we have 40000 plus denomination and millions of non denominational and if they all same and follow same teachings how come they want to be different then others and to be worse many don’t even believe Jesus is god but the follow Jesus Brother come on
it would be interesting to hear his view on this quote: “‘The Church is not a thing like the Athenaeum Club,’ he cried. ‘If the Athenaeum Club lost all its members, the Athenaeum Club would dissolve and cease to exist. But when we belong to the Church we belong to something which is outside all of us: which is outside everything you talk about, outside the Cardinals and the Pope. They belong to it, but it does not belong to them. If we all fell dead suddenly, the Church would still somehow exist in God. Confound it all, don’t you see that I am more sure of its existence than I am of my own existence?’” (G.K. Chesterton, The Ball and the Cross)
He's talking about a place. Like the building you walk into on a Sunday. Is there some analogy of the church as a spiritual reality that is like a house for the soul? If not why is there so much emphasis on church architecture and the cathedral as a house for the soul?
The word apostle translated to missionary, one who is sent. So the apostles were called to be missionaries to evangelize the world to Christ.
This is true, but that doesn't change the fact that the Apostles considered themselves to have authority, they set up an Apostolic Succession (proving not every missionary is an Apostle), and all the early Church fathers understood this.
I think hes asking if its a business entity, or such
Business is still business. 🇧🇭
The 2 sacraments(ordnances) in protestantism are baptism and the Lords supper(communion). I'm not certain any protestant would say it's baptism and marriage!
cat-Zulu Catholics don’t consider Protestant communion valid
Alex Dow well, their being 2 sacraments of protestantism really has nothing to do with them being recognized by the catholic church
Tipparat Duangin i know they don't save a person. The bible tells us so. It is only by faith we can be rescued from this dark world. Anyone who thinks they'll get into heaven for their works is deceived indeed.
No. From a Catholic perspective, it’s baptism and marriage. Prot communion isn’t valid.
Irene-of-meteora I’m pretty sure he was speaking on Protestantism from a Catholic perspective. Marriage is a sacramental Bond. Protestants have valid marriages. Regardless of their recognition of matrimony as sacramental, that is one of the two sacraments they can distribute validly. (The other, I mean only other, bring baptism)
There is vincible and invincible ignorance. Those who never knew Jesus weren't taught of the gospel have a chance of getting to heaven because of vincible ignorance. But for those who already know the truth of the catholic faith and still ignores will answer to God on judgement day.
1Cor12:12- "The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. So it is with the body of Christ". And, so it is with the Church of Jesus. He choose us, we accept Him and His gospel as the truth of our life, we are under His grace when He is the Lord of our life.
SunflowerMaze Everything you said is true. But, HOW, exactly do we "accept him"?
He told us He came to give us His Church and that His Holy Spirit would guide His Church into "all truth". He said He would not leave us orphans and that He would be with His Church "until the end of time".
In Acts 1:21-26 we see the apostles, immediately after Jesus' Ascension, acting swiftly to replace the position left vacant by Judas's suicide.
They prayed for guidance, asking God to show them which candidate was "chosen to take the place in this apostolic ministry from which Judas turned away." After choosing Matthias they laid hands on him to confer apostolic authority. The writings of the early Church Fathers show this APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION continuing on in time. Men were continuously ordained as successors to the apostle's and their successors as leaders of Jesus' Church.
Look at 1 Timothy 1:6 and 4:14, where Paul reminds Timothy that the office of bishop had been conferred on him through the laying on of hands. Notice in 1 Timothy 5:22 that Paul advises Timothy not to be hasty in handing on this authority to others. In Titus Paul describes the apostolic authority Titus had received and urges him to act decisively in this leadership role.
That APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION has never ended. It was the successors of the apostles who gave us the Bible in the late fourth century under the direction of Pope Damasus (the successor to St. Peter).
S Terry
Amen brother
Stray body parts belong with the whole. It is the natural order of things.
@@sterry1962 Amen. Well explain. You could have a Bible study 🙏
outside the ekklesia, the called out ones. Not necessarily the Catholic Church.
Richard Wharton The Church which Jesus established.
We see apostolic succession throughout the Bible (see Acts 1:21-26, 1 Timothy 1:6 and 4:14, 1 Timothy 5:22, for starters) and all over the early Christian writings. Apostolic succession has never ceased and is found today in the ordained offices of the Roman Catholic Church. (Yes, it can be found in the Orthodox Churches as well, but schism is expressly condemned by Sacred Scripture.)
Baptism doesn't save us. Faith in Jesus Christ does. Baptism is the acknowledgement of that faith.
Richard Wharton yes it does... 1 Peter 3:21
Richard Wharton Mark 16:16
Richard Wharton 1 Peter 3:21 says that baptism saves us.
S Terry ....no it doesn't..."the like figure..." It is a portrait, a symbol of an inward working of the Holy Spirit. An outward profession to the world that you are dying out to this world and being raised to newness of Life. It is a symbol of somone who is born again identifying themself with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The thief on the cross wasn't baptized. What about n the desert
some one accepts Chist as savior & there ain't no water, then the person dies prior 2 baptism. Baptism takes away NO sin. Infant baptism takes away NO sin
The church is the Ecclesiastes, or the called out ones, which is anybody, anywhere in the world, in any denomination or group, that obeys the teachings of Jesus Christ. To say that the Catholic, or Mormon or Jehovah witness is the true church, especially with their man made doctrines, is a distortion.
Kenneth Blair
Come on brother are you listening your self I know it sounds nice democratic and everyone is equally equal BUT SAINTS ARE THISE SET APART NOT SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE
so if they all follow teachings of Jesus and if all led by Holy Spirit how come we have 40000 plus denomination and millions of non denominational and if they all same and follow same teachings how come they want to be different then others and to be worse many don’t even believe Jesus is god but the follow Jesus
Brother come on
The church is not religion the church is the body of Christ the eclesia not ur false religion
listen to the whole video before commenting please