IAM Institute of Advanced Motorists outcome experiences for motorcyclists of the UK. My stories...
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ธ.ค. 2024
- Make Progress? Police training? Is IAM doing what is good for the safety of the UK roads? I have three experiences which I will share with you.
Triumph Paige Ladies Leather Jacket £140 Delivered:
/ 19z4zkcr94
Buy The IronJias Heated Gloves here: www.ironjias.c... and use coupon code RICHARDBAMFORTH for further discounts.
My TH-cam Review: • HEATED GLOVES IronJias...
Buy the Aoocci C6 Pro here: aoocci.com/?re... and use coupon code RICHARDBAMFORTH for further discounts.
My TH-cam Review: • Wireless Apple Carplay...
Buy the Carpuride W702 here: carpuride.com/... and use coupon code RICHARDBAMFORTH for further discounts.
My TH-cam Review: • Carpuride W702 best sm...
Buy the CycPlus AS2 Pro Max here: www.cycplus.co... and use coupon code RICHARDBAMFORTH for further discounts.
My TH-cam Review: • CYCPLUS AS2 Pro Max Mo...
#IAMInstitute #AdvancedMotorists #MotorcycleSafety #UKRoads #MotorcyclingStories #PoliceTraining #RoadSafetyAwareness #RideSafeUK #MotorcyclistExperience #IAMTraining #BikerCommunity #SafetyFirst #MotorcycleCulture #UKMotorbikes #TrafficSafety #RiderEducation #RoadSafetyCampaigns #MotorcycleAdvocacy #BikerLife #SafeRidingTips
![ILLSLICK - KILLSHOT REMIX [FULL VERSION]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RIK8RrqIAzE/mqdefault.jpg)
As a rider of some 47 years and an ex police man , you are 100 % right . Progress is for escorting VIP's . Proper riding is to ride with good concentration and defensively to avoid a collision . A simple trick is when in traffic look 3 cars ahead to see brake lights etc, because the 2 cars in front will be late to react to what you see ( usually distracted by the phone) . Kind Regards Robert
I thought I was alone in my view of IAM, a few years ago I joined the Kidderminster group, I was a confident capable rider of some 40 years experience at the time, yes I'd had a few offs in the past and learnt from them (pain is a good teacher), by the time I abandoned their doctrine they had turned me into a nervous twitchy rider, I recon IAM translates to I am mad, the last straw was dropping my blackbird on one of their ho so professional rides, I believe the pressure "to make good progress " isn't safe so that's my view
Regards stef
Totally agree Richard. I ride within my limits and no more, as I like being alive 😁 Those gloves really are great too btw 👍
I have no desire to ‘progress’ into an early grave. Completely agree with your thoughts on this.
Totally agree 50 years and counting on motorcycles with a few spills along the way. Making progress is a police term, when I did my police advanced driving course progression was king, to the civilian rider definitely not needed.
I am conflicted on the IAM, I was really considering doing the course but I do watch a lot of videos on training and safety and in some of the IAM stuff I've seen I noticed a big emphasis was put on "making progress" rather than "riding within your limits". I found this worrying and from the things I've seen it does seem to be a thing where every opportunity to overtake must be made and every opportunity to travel at the maximum speed limit must be taken. I could be wrong but that is the impression I get and my own attitude is that there is no "safety reason" to travel at the max speed limit unless you are impeding other traffic and there is no "safety reason" to make an overtake if you are not in a hurry. I'm not saying the training is not good, or that there is not a lot of valuable stuff in there such as observations etc. but I just get the impression that too much emphasis seems to be placed on "making progress". I'm not a Police Officer, I ride for leisure, it is not a matter of life or death whether I arrive at my destination 5 minutes later than planned so I personally don't see the value in emphasising the speedelement.
It is wise to ride expectantly and cautiously. There could be anything in the road ahead!
I ride in Miami city where few use signals, many are lost and most are uneducated. Seems that most drive selfishly for their own comfort. Police rarely use signals or stop at stop signs.
I also got a pilot's license years ago: "aviate, navigate, communicate."
Howdy again Richard
Good honest video covering your opinion. I passed my IAM test in September and to be honest I'm very glad I've done it. I'm 49 but have only been riding big bikes for two years. I consider myself a bit of a bike noob so decided to take additional training. The reason being to make myself a better and more importantly a safer rider for myself and my partner who rides pillion with me 99% of the time.
I don't consider myself a cut above the rest or anything. Although with any organisation you're going to have members who think they are something special I guess.You are correct the progress element is a part of the course and I've been taught that the hallmark of an IAM rider is about making "quiet efficency" when riding. I don't consider myself to be a particularly fast rider,nor do I aspire to be but I would say that I'm definitely a safer rider with a greater appreciation of what's going on around me and have much improved planning and observation now.
Just my two cents.
PS, I won't be un-subscribing either. 😉
Very interesting Richard.I agree with all you say.
Totaly agree . I did enjoy going out with the instructor great bloke and rider but as I am 69 been riding since i was 15 . My riding was totally diffrent from his he rode much to fast , I think be cause he never rode old school bikes , and todays bike have all the bells and and new gagets etc .I did learn a few things your always learning on a bike and it did get me out more .
Interesting comments from the outside looking in. I've done the course and found it positive. Yes there is emphasis on making progress but not at the expense of safety. It's down to the individual rider and his interpretation I suppose.
Alright Richard, very good topic. My pals and I were literally chatting about the IAM ‘disciples’. In our group of pals spanning over 40 years of riding , two did the course, one came back, made it known to everyone he was a IAM Roadsmart Member 🙄, speaking down to us like a traffic cop, advising me or us on what we were doing incorrectly and that magic word ‘progress’ (the moment you mentioned it I laughed my head off as that is what I heard non stop lol). He’s no longer with us as he with his IAM boring as hell pals now.
My other pal only did it just to reduce his insurance, nothing more, he was moaning the course cost more than what he saved which was about £30😂, he’s the type to do things by the book to please whoever but once it’s done, he slips back to his old ways and cracks on, no issues with him.
There are some of the riders who I have met that have or did a few sessions of the advanced that have some sense of superiority to other riders and roads users thinking they are traffic cops all of a sudden.
Well done for speaking your mind, I agree with you, many years ago I had a big off and did not ride for 6 months , on returning to two wheels I felt a little nervous, our local council at the time, Lancs CC was running a motorcycle training course, the guy trained me taught me the three car in front thing, and riding within your capabilities, then after a number of sessions an assessment was booked by the local police rider training instructor, it was good, but always with in your capabilities, road conditions and awareness and avoidance of danger, after a few months I tried the IAM, and was disappointed at the “make progress” you need to overtake more, total BS, I quit after 2 sessions, iam not therefore IAM and have been riding for 53years without a break, I trained people for HGV up to class 1, so I do know a bit about road safety, bit this IAM stuff I hear at a local cafe I frequent as the take their trainees there for the feed back session’s and I hear the crap that is spoken, everyone to their own, but I agree with thee
Interesting chat. I don't subscribe to your channel but just came across this by chance. The very first chapter in the blue book is about attitude to riding/driving, and in my opinion is the most important. The rest revolves around skill levels and experience. Advanced motoring is very subjective. Many riders who pass feel they have to "show" they are advanced. There are so many videos on TH-cam about advanced riding, most are utter rubbish. But to my eyes one does stand out, it's a strange name called "seaflyfisher". I think he is retired from police training. Watch his riding but mostly listen to his commentary which he does in real time, unlike others who add the commentary at a later stage, he tells you what he is doing and why.
Just keep riding and enjoying it.
I don't think you're wrong at all. I amble about at whatever speed I want to do safely. I have never ridden with a group and have no urge to do so. Had I been with the group you described, I would have been watching them disappearing into the distance until such time as I decided not to bother and head off somewhere else by myself. I'm a former private pilot and I know exactly what you mean by the aviate, navigate, communicate priorities, which also work equally well in other areas.
You are right it is dangerous to drive with the mindset of you have to make progress .Progress means in reality driving like an prick and taking unnecessary risk well done for speaking out top man keep up the good work
Sofa rider with zero experience
I ride a lot. If you want to see a first-class pass of the iam test, check out usernamekate's test.
If that is class one, i will eat my helmit.
My riding is progressive in the places on the road i am comfortable with.
Ride your own ride.
5' 7", size 9.1/2, 61 years old, still alive. I must be doing something right.😂😂😂
I had quite a few rides with IAM, fantastic guys, the ipsga system is a great one with plenty to offer, but we're civilians, not police, so in my view, sensible progress is the way, not hurtling into corners, or riding in close staggered positions, it looks great when the police do it, but as i say, fantastic guys but not police
HI Richard- Come to think of it; I had an old girlfriend named Suzie. A wild one she was!! As I'm an old man now, I'm left with just my memory; what's left of it. But yea; those were the days. I'm sure glad that the old lady of me house doesn't go pokin' around me computer!! She'd just say " you old goat; you wouldn't know what to do with it". I'd tell her that she's right since it's been so long since I had any. Anyway-Have a beautiful day my English friend!! Cheers!! Illinois, USA
Hi Susie.
ins companies dont like these iam etc as it promotes making progress ie riding faster than you would before ie more risk
Insurance companies don’t give ‘advanced’ motorcyclists discounts, there’s a good reason for that! They’re considered a bigger risk on the road 😮
I agree with you. Do you see alien 13 ?